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AppleWorks/ClarisWorks Dies Quietly

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the out-to-pasture-or-off-to-the-knackers dept.

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Several readers noted that Apple has quietly discontinued AppleWorks, in the week that the company's spreadsheet solution, Numbers, debuted in its iWork suite. The AppleWorks website now directs users to the iWork section of the Apple site. AppleWorks was introduced — before the Macintosh — in 1984 and began its long twilight as abandonware in 1999.

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fp op (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253077)

black ppl

~~r00by the n00by~~

READ ME!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253639)

I...Just died in your arms tonight
  It must have been something you said...

RIP ClarisWorks

memories (2, Interesting)

greywire (78262) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253097)

ah, yes, memories of appleworks in highschool computer class on apple IIc's...

Re:memories (1)

ben0207 (845105) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253193)

...and still the same code on my G5 iMac.

It will be missed, but Numbers(and hell, even Office:Mac) massively outclass everything it ever did.

Re:memories (2, Interesting)

charleste (537078) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253251)

First good old Word Perfect 1.0a for Mac was gone (not ported)... and now my Claris/AppleWorks too?! Sigh! Another reason to not upgrade my G5 :-)

Re:memories (4, Informative)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254753)

You should still be able to find Word Perfect 3.5e floating around. Corel released it for free, for awhile, and now the installers are still out there.

Re:memories (5, Interesting)

sporadic (110921) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253253)

AppleWorks (and to a less degree, AppleWorks GS) got me through high school and college (80-mid 90's) as an English Lit/Polysci major. With the Beagle Bros' TimeOut series of add-ons, there was nothing AW couldn't handle! Ah, the good old days! Running it on an Apple IIgs with 8MG, SCSI HD, and ZipGSX accelerator, the 8-bit text based AW flew like a bat out of hell! And being the geek that I was (and still am,) I used to track all my games with the Database :) I still have the IIe and IIgs in my closet, plus a crapload of 5.25 and 3.5 floppies. Maybe I'll take them out this weekend and see if they still work. Pretty sure the machines still work.

Sporadic

Re:memories (1)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253781)

Appleworks in the pre-GUI era on the Apple //e was great - it got me through college as well. >sigh

Re:memories (2, Informative)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254381)

I still have the IIe and IIgs in my closet, plus a crapload of 5.25 and 3.5 floppies. Maybe I'll take them out this weekend and see if they still work. Pretty sure the machines still work.
Good luck with that. (Honestly -- no sarcasm intended.) I have about 5kg worth of Mac disks with everything from various OS versions, apps, games, and tons of HyperCard stacks ... and vanishingly little of it is still readable. Floppies degrade over time... :'-(

Re:memories (1)

fitten (521191) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254737)

Man, I wanted an Apple IIgs so bad when it came out but couldn't afford one :(

Re:memories (1)

secolactico (519805) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253925)

"Do you really want to do this?"

"Carefully saving this file"

Re:memories (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20254339)

"Carefully saving file" means it wrote a temp file, deleted the old one, then renamed the new one to the old one with the same name. Was a nice feature, because at no time was your data losable due to a power loss.

Re:memories (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253943)

ah, yes, memories of appleworks in highschool computer class on apple IIc's...
Yes, that brings me the same wave of nostalgia... Only interrupted by the vivid memory of the computer teacher Mr. Adams' thick bushy nose hair.

Damn you!

Re:memories (1)

fitten (521191) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254715)

Yup... I had an Apple //c. Appleworks and Megaworks earned me a few bucks when I was in highschool typing/printing other people's English papers. Good memories.

You know what I wish would die? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253119)

Cory Doctorow's stupid, stupid haircut.

they still make apples? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253123)

man, it's been a long time. i thought that stuff played out in the early 90s.

Finally. (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253129)

AppleWorks was massively undermaintained, buggy, and really needed work -- but they sacrificed it for iWork, and then kept it around solely for the spreadsheet. I am SO glad to have, finally, a decent and stable spreadsheet for the Mac. (I guess NeoOffice sorta counts, but I like Numbers better.)

Re:Finally. (4, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253169)

Well, yeah. Appleworks hadn't really seen a significant update in, what, more than 5 years? I was always surprised to learn that it was still being sold.

I'd see it on the shelf at BestBuy and think, "Really?! Appleworks? Do people still buy that, and if they do, are they really pissed off when they figure out how out-of-date it is?"

Re:Finally. (2, Interesting)

Nimey (114278) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253797)

The last update of Appleworks was so that it doesn't require Classic. It's /that/ neglected.

Re:Finally. (4, Informative)

SillySilly (843107) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253893)

I bought AppleWorks, knowing full well that it was "abandonware," and that I will never see an upgrade. I bought it because it is native OS X, it is very easy to use, it is very well integrated, it does its job and does it very well, and it opens old AppleWorks and ClarisWorks files. It is a very good piece of software.

iWorks has some very nice programs. I use Pages -- for page layout it is nicer than AppleWorks. But iWorks still doesn't offer everything that AppleWorks did -- no paint tool, no draw tool, no database tool -- so even if (or when) I upgrade my iWorks to iWorks '08 I will still find uses for AppleWorks.

Re:Finally. (4, Funny)

loganrapp (975327) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254349)

Whenever Steve was in one of his "moods," programmers would be all, "I'm working on AppleWorks!" and when Steve continued down the hall they expose'd out to get back to composing porn music on GarageBand.

Re:Finally. (1)

COMON$ (806135) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254583)

testing my memory here but I heard rumors long ago, maybe a slashdot article that MS had bought out Claris back in the 90s and that effectively ended the dev....can anyone contribute to or destroy this rumor?

Re:Finally. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254625)

When I was at school, issue 100 of Computer Shopper had ClarisWorks 1.0 (for windows 3.x) on the cover disks. The total install was 5MB, which was half the size of Microsoft Word 2.0, which I was using at the time (important on a 60MB disk). I used it for years, and there were some things I really liked, like the fact that inserting a table in a word processor document gave you access to all the spreadsheet features, and inserting a text box in the drawing app gave you all of the word processor functions. I used the drawing program as a simple DTP app for a while because of this, and produced a lot of school work with it; it ran really well on a 16MHz 386 with 4MB of RAM.

When I got a G4 PowerBook, I got a copy of AppleWorks (6?), since it was cheap and I wanted to see how much had changed. I was disappointed to learn that the answer was 'not much.' Even the UI was almost the same, and didn't fit in on OS X at all. The integration between the components is still top-rate, but the lack of any new features (it didn't even do spell checking as you type, which every other OS X app can do, including Safari).

These days I have no use for a word processor - I'm write for a living, and it's very hard to produce good work with WYSIWYG tools - but I still have a soft spot for Claris Works.

Good thing they kept it around. (3, Interesting)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253275)

I was just glad that they made an OS X native version. I don't know about other people, but I have a *lot* of old ClarisWorks and AppleWorks documents sitting around, and they are not something that you can easily batch-convert. (Or at least I don't know of a way to easily batch convert them; if anyone knows how to do that, please feel free to let me know.) I probably go in and open up an old Claris WP document every few weeks or so.

Will the new iWork suite open old Claris/Appleworks documents? It would be nice if they did. I haven't played with the new iWork apps at all (I realized that I don't need a word-processor for most of what I now do, and just use TextMate to butcher ASCII instead).

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253383)

I wonder if they'd consider open sourcing it. It's very Mac-centric, and probably a mess, but it'll at least be carbonized, and there's probably a lot to learn by looking at it.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (2, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253705)

It can't be THAT Mac-centric... there's been a Windows version since at least 4.0.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253879)

Wow, you're right. I modify my previous comment: I now demand they open source it.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253937)

Actually, it really was that Mac centric. It was just that Claris had some awesome Mac->Win32 porting tools.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254675)

It was on Windows since it was Claris Works; the reason they spun out Claris was to do the Windows port. I used Claris Works 1.0 on Windows (3.11, on a 16MHz 386 with 4MB of RAM) for years. I was disappointed when I bought the latest AppleWorks with my PowerBook to learn that it couldn't open the ClarisWorks 1.0 files.

That said, the Windows API is heavily, uh, inspired by the old Mac Toolbox, and porting applications between Carbon and Win32 is not a horrendously difficult task, as long as it's properly abstracted.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (4, Informative)

TheoCryst (975577) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253465)

Will the new iWork suite open old Claris/Appleworks documents?
http://www.apple.com/iwork/pages/#compatible [apple.com] Yep. I don't know about the old version of iWork, but since it doesn't have Numbers, it's almost a moot point.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (1)

calstraycat (320736) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253469)

Will the new iWork suite open old Claris/Appleworks documents?

Yes, according to the User Guides for Pages and Numbers. I have not tried it myself though.

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253729)

I imagine that since (as the other replies stated) Pages and Numbers can open the old formats, and since they're likely fully instrumented with AppleScript hooks and all that, you could wire something together with that/Automator. "Open all files in Old, for each file save as new format in New folder, close" or the like... I haven't tried this, so ymmv. (I don't use iWork or AppleWorks, so...)

Re:Good thing they kept it around. (4, Informative)

greed (112493) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254219)

Well, for Numbers, it's a "Yes, but...". There's a number of things which don't work.

hlookup and vlookup don't import, formulas using those will be replaced with the last calculated value. Anchors and bookmarks don't import.

There's some UI commands missing, too, like "Fill Down" or "Fill Right", which I used frequently.

It was interesting just how close ClarisWorks spreadsheets were to MaxiPlan; all I had to do to move over from the Amiga was re-bias dates to the different epoch. All the formulas worked.

Re:Finally. (1, Interesting)

shelterpaw (959576) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254539)

Numbers is very cool, but it has a long way to go. Granted it's version 1.

My biggest complaints with numbers:

  1. No Apple Script Support - an Apple application with no AppleScript support WTF????
  2. No Dynamic Linking between Numbers and Pages - This killed it for me.
  3. Extremely extreeeemly slow. - I could take a nap...
  4. Numerous Bugs. - It's version 1, but damn...
However, it's a nice spreadsheet app and once they fix/add features, it'll be a welcome replacement for MS Office.

Re:Finally. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254701)

No Apple Script Support - an Apple application with no AppleScript support WTF????
A bigger WTF is why Preview has no AppleScript support. There are so many things that application does that would be useful from scripts. At least in Leopard they've fixed it so re-opening an already open document will cause it to be reloaded if it's changed. My LaTeX Makefile currently has some horrible hacks to force this behaviour with Preview on Tiger.

Sorry to see it go (1)

thegameiam (671961) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253133)

Fare thee well, AppleWorks - you kept me from having to buy a copy of Office for several years, and at one point knowledge of your inner workings was tremendously helpful at a job (I briefly worked at a small school which had an Apple ][e running AppleWorks in 1998...

Re:Sorry to see it go (1)

djseomun (1119637) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254551)

Some schools in North Dakota still used Apple IIe's up until 1998. Having used one myself during that time period, I can definitely relate.

hypercard (1, Insightful)

pimpimpim (811140) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253135)

Good ridden' Any software with 'Works' in it has proven to be a heap of useless crap

Now bring back hypercard, apple! That was so much fun, I programmed graphical interfaces with it when I was 10!

Re:hypercard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253165)

Supercard is still around... http://www.supercard.us/ [supercard.us]

Re:hypercard (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253589)

I thought Supercard became Metacard which renamed itself to Runtime Revolution [runrev.com] ? Actually, Metacard was pretty neat, they even had Linux/FreeBSD/Windows stacks, although it never had quite the same level of support from the OS that Hypercard had back in the System 7 days when I used it (I remember pulling up ResEdit and dropping sounds/pictures/etc... in my stacks, not to mention the compiled add ons). Metacard had compiled add ons as well, but they were something of a pain to get working.

SuperCard for Nintendo DS? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254021)

Supercard is still around... http://www.supercard.us/ [supercard.us]
Their brand name has been co-opted by a maker of SD adapters for Game Boy Advance and Nintendo DS (official site [supercard.cn] ; dev-scene article [dev-scene.com] ; PHWiki article [pocketheaven.com] ). Is this something we should be worried about?

Re:hypercard (2, Informative)

cduffy (652) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253267)

Now bring back hypercard, apple! That was so much fun, I programmed graphical interfaces with it when I was 10!
See PythonCard [sourceforge.net] .

Re:hypercard (1, Offtopic)

Whitemage12380 (979267) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253493)

Good God! I started digging into Hypercard when I was about the same age, on a Macintosh SE. It introduced me to graphic design, programming, and basic game design. I have higher respect for that program than any other, past and present.

Re:hypercard (1)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253827)

Now bring back hypercard, apple!

You young whippersnappers - I was excited to get an 80 column card! (Anyone remember pr#3 to get into 80 column mode.?)

Re:hypercard (1)

Guillaume Laurent (155210) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254119)

... and pr#6 to reboot.

*sigh*. Those were the days...

Re:hypercard (1)

csnydermvpsoft (596111) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254243)

Ah, Hypercard - I have fond memories as well. Especially the built-in AppleScript support, which allowed me to enter a command that would kill the lock-down software that was installed on the lab computers. Those were the days...

Apple doesn't care about the customer... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253149)

...and has too much greed-driven focus on selling their overpriced drm platform and office suite.

Sentence (0, Offtopic)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253161)

...And there you will hand by your neck until you are dead, dead, dead!

Now what do I do? (0)

armanox (826486) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253179)

I still use Appleworks on my Mac's at home. Niether Mac has the specs to run iWork (well, one does if I upgrade the OS from 10.1.5...), and I'll be damned if I'm putting MS Office on them.

Weird Timing (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253551)

I just installed AppleWorks on my Lombard running Tiger a couple weeks ago. I hadn't touched it for years but suddenly found the need for it and I still knew where the CD-ROM installer disk was.

Just really weird timing.

--Richard

Re:Now what do I do? (1)

russlar (1122455) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253941)

Will OpenOffice.org run on your machine?

NeoOffice? (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254105)

I still use Appleworks on my Mac's at home. Niether Mac has the specs to run iWork (well, one does if I upgrade the OS from 10.1.5...), and I'll be damned if I'm putting MS Office on them.
Have you already tried NeoOffice [neooffice.org] ?

Re:NeoOffice? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254285)

NeoOffice was dead slow on my 700 MHz eMac running 10.3.9 - on a slower machine it would be unusable. It's a little better on this 1.25 GHz eMac I'm on now, but only a tiny bit. My Intel iMac at work, it's fine on. But on an older machine, NeoOffice reeeeally drags.

Final Resting Place (1)

netglen (253539) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253187)

Ahhh yes, you can find Appleworks final resting place next to "Apple Presents Apple" on the Ye Olde Softeware shelf. In fact the very sign for "Ye Olde Software Shelf" was done with the Beagle Brothers software which in turn found itself on that very shelf.

R.I.P. once proud software.

NOT abandonware (0)

ftide (454731) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253211)

Appleworks shipped with MacOS versions 8.x and 9.x has very useful communications and drawing programs, plus a fair spreadsheet program. It is some people at Apple who have abandoned this marvelous suite of programs and not the users themselves. If I'm not mistaken Appleworks was a continuation of and improvement to HyperCard.

Word:mac? (1)

supun (613105) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253221)

Heh, that would explain why Word:mac (aka MS Word) came up when I opened AppleWorks on my new MacBook Pro.

Actually, I have been trying iWork '08 and it's ok. Right now the port of OpenOffice isn't that stable, like freezing when I try to open a CSV file in the spreadsheet. So for the most part, if I don't need to cut-n-paste information, I just use OpenOffice installed by Fink which is X11.

iWork and no ODF support (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253227)

Why-o-why? The same reason apple pretend that no-one uses open formats and containers like: FLAC, vorbis and matroska et al?

Re:iWork and no ODF support (3, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253355)

Why-o-why? The same reason apple pretend that no-one uses open formats and containers like: FLAC, vorbis and matroska et al?

What do you mean, *pretend*?

Re:iWork and no ODF support (3, Funny)

Goaway (82658) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253801)

No, no, lots of people use them to pirate copyrighted material! I really don't understand why Apple won't cater to this market!

Re:iWork and no ODF support (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254109)

How many [orders of magnitude] more people use MP3 for the same purpose?

Re:iWork and no ODF support (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254491)

Here, have a cookie!

Re:iWork and no ODF support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20254549)

A marvelous retort!

As usual, people are selective about what they see. Are all Apple owners fanboys? Most windows users don't give a damn, and guess what, they're the major pirates.

Quietly? Never! (5, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253231)

Moof!

Thud.

Re:Quietly? Never! (3, Funny)

tulmad (25666) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253547)

I believe you are making reference to Clarus, which is really totally different from Claris.

Re:Quietly? Never! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253869)

Forget AppleWorks - as long as they keep selling HyperCard I could care less...

Re:Quietly? Never! (3, Funny)

kat_skan (5219) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254473)

This is the way the database ends
This is the way the spreadsheet ends
This is the way the word processor ends
Not with a bang, but with a moof.

Brings back memories (1)

Talavis (906015) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253233)

ClarisWorks was the first application I learned using on dads Macintosh Classic, and I then continued using it until version 5.0. It has helped me with quite a bit of school work.

And yes, I'm young.

Pity (4, Interesting)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253241)

It was brilliant. The only "works" package that didn't suck.
Its integrated approach, with text processing, spreadsheet, drawing and database modules in a single application program was rather elegant. For quickly throwing together a document that needs all of those, I still haven't seen anything that beats it.

Re:Pity (1)

dosius (230542) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253321)

And wasn't the original (RJ Lissner) AppleWorks the original works program?

(Although I think it was originally released for the Apple /// as /// EZ Pieces?)

-uso.

Indeed -- and this shows the shift. (1)

weston (16146) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253457)

I used ClarisWorks 3/4 for years under System 7 and OS 8/9. Vector & raster graphics, word processing, page layout, spreadsheet, database -- all there in a package that made creating documents integrating all of those elements reasonably easy. Its capabilities were more limited than other software products in each area, but generally adequate for most desktop needs at the time. A computer *should* have had something exactly like that 10 years ago, especially since that's what most people bought computers for.

Now I do think AppleWorks has definitely been showing its age for a while, and with Apple's new apps up and coming I'm not at all surpised they killed it. But I don't think the ascendancy of the new apps is the whole story. It may be that Apple's realized those things aren't necessarily what people buy machines for by and large anymore. For the average user, the computer is now more of a client/communication tool. The iWork suite plays to that focus by giving Apple users clients for handling/working with common documents.

Gobe Productive (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253499)

I never used Claris Works much (or System 7 in general - our school skipped from Apple IIe to PC, and didn't own any Macs), but it was always my mother's favorite program. My dad said she was constantly cursing at MS Office when she eventually had to switch.

I have used Gobe productive which was a works suite designed by many of the original Claris works developers. It was originally made for BeOS, and latter ported to Windows and Linux. Unfortunately, the company went under, and for a while there was talk of it going open source [oreillynet.com] . I really would have liked to see that happen, as it was a far better piece of software than OpenOffice, and even pledged some money towards it (although not much as I was a college student at the time), but alas it was not to be. They sold the product to someone else who has been maintaining just the windows version [gobe.com] .

Re:Gobe Productive (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253659)

My grade school constantly used ClarisWorks. We were an all-Apple shop until roughly '99, at which point we began to put out Win95 running PCs, which also ran ClarisWorks. We didn't completely push out Apple and ClarisWorks until 2001-2002

Re:Gobe Productive (1)

Watts Martin (3616) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254465)

Most of the folks who wrote Gobe Productive rejoined Apple. I suspect the resemblance between "place everything in a box on pages" approach you see in Pages and Numbers is not just coincidentally similar to the ability Productive had to do the same thing.

pity the foo (3, Funny)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253605)

No, all "works" packages sucked. All of them. This one may have sucked a little less, but it still sucked. You know, deep in your heart of hearts, that it sucked, and you hated it. It might take many years of therapy, but, one day, you'll be able to admit this to yourself. The sky will look more blue and somehow more cheerful on that day. You might look for a group of recovering Lotus Notes addicts for advice and support through this, uh, difficult time. Meanwhile, the rest of us are overjoyed.

Re:Pity (1)

lakeland (218447) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253695)

Have you tried iWork? I personally think it is an excellent replacement. It is a shame Apple tries to squeeze (a little) money out of you to get it though - it would be really nice if as part of getting a mac you got an easy to use work environment. I haven't tried numbers yet, but their presenter is quite a bit easier to use than powerpoint.

Re:Pity (1)

netlobo (1143647) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253723)

I agree. Appleworks was elegant back in the day. I felt it was very intuitive for a packaged program (Apple IIc). It may have been the last time I used an office suite that I feel I totally understood. I appreciated its simplicity and it was powerful enough for what I needed it for at the time. Certainly it was limited it many respects, but nowadays too much of what passes for an "upgraded version" is just superfluous fluff IMO

Re:Pity (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254103)

You mean that it was the only Works package that worked.

Re:Pity (4, Interesting)

brownsteve (673529) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254553)

Here is a fascinating history [mit.edu] of ClarisWorks from one of its original authors. It was quite an accomplishment to pack all that functionality into a megabyte of RAM. Ahh... nostalgia...

Re:Pity (1)

Flwyd (607088) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254705)

I still use AppleWorks 6 when I want to throw a bunch of stuff together in precise locations on the page, such as printing two columns of coupons [trevorstone.org] to be divided by a paper cutter. The demo version of iWork iTried didn't seem to have this iFeature.

In college, I'd download a copy (two and a half megs) onto the lab machines; it happily accepts any serial number you care to invent. Apple may not sell it anymore, but I plan to keep using it for quite some time. May Clarus live on!

Never used either (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253315)

My first mac was an PM8500, I skipped the G3,s and had a G4, now currently I use a Dual G5, which I will probably still use for another year or two before I really need to switch to an Intel based one or whatever they come out with next. But either way I never used Appleworks/Clarisworks and I don't use iWork or whatever their new one is. I guess I'm an MS Whore, but that's what my work always used and maybe that is why I always used that at home too.

And as they lowered the casket into the ground... (4, Funny)

bobdotorg (598873) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253349)

... there was a 21 MOOF!!! salute.

we knew it all along (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253361)

I sat naked on the bench in the health club locker room, staring at the tiles on the floor between my feet, but really looking at nothing. I was waiting for Jamal to decide to come up and talk to me. He was this muscular teenage nigger who frequented the club and had ruined my life in the last few weeks. I was ordered to sit naked on the bench without a towel or anything to cover my nakedness. I had to keep my legs spread and my cock and balls visible for the anyone In the locker room who wanted a look. I knew instantly that it had been a mistake to sign up at the inner city health club which was eighty percent black, but It was near my house and cheap which was even more important.

The harassment had started on my first visit. Dark skinned, muscular black boys bouncing around the locker room with their huge dicks and pendulous sacks of balls swinging, high fiving each other and laughing and rapping, and there I was, this moderately built white guy of thirty two.

I will never forget coming back from the shower and one chocolate skinned thug of about eighteen let out a "weeeeeeeow" kind of sound and then said very loudly to me, loudly enough for all his pals to hear, "White man, how the hell can you fuck wit such a small dick?" They all roared with laughter and I turned bright red. Before I left that first time, I med Jamal. He eased up to me while I was packing my gym bag. He is one good looking darkie, I will say that for him. He flashed me a big white toothed smile and said he hoped I wasn't thinking of quitting the club. He said he was friends with the manager and they had my address and shit, and it would be really unfortunate if I decided to quit. Then he laid one large basketball player sized hand on my shoulder and said that he would see me at the same time the next day.

Well, that's how it started. It got worse each time I went to the club. Jamal and the other niggers got me to get towels for them, had me scrub their backs in the shower, even made me pick their dirty stinking jock straps up off the floor. They sent their filthy jocks and socks home with me to wash for them.

Now let me state here once and for all, that I am in no way at all gay. I don't think I ever even had a gay thought. So all of this really repulsed me. They would brush up against me so their big fat black dicks rubbed my body. They would make constant jokes about me being a faggot.

So I had it out with Jamal. I told him I was a single parent with a thirteen year old daughter and in no way gay, and I wanted to quit the club. That mention of my daughter was the biggest mistake of my life. Jamal demanded to see a photo of her. Her name is Crissy. After that, all they talked about was "Crissy the Cunt" in the locker room.

"Some fourteen year old school boy probably shoving his dick in her right now while you is at da club." They would say things like that. Jamal would ask, "Do you suppose she had ever sucked black dick?" I told them she was totally innocent, and they should keep their foul mouths to themselves. They beat the shit out of me.

I didn't go to the club for a week. All the windows were broken on my car, and my newspaper was stolen, and somebody pissed all over our door. I received a package at work, and when I opened it, there was a pile of shit in a box. I was going nuts with anguish. I thought of going to the police, but I knew I would face even worse if I did. So I went back to the club. That was two months ago. A lot had happened in those two months.

Now I sat waiting for Jamal to speak with me. He walked up, stark naked. The first thing I saw were his huge brown feet next to me. I looked up at his long muscular legs. How could I miss the seven inch flaccid dick, thick as a flashlight and the ball sack that looked like it had oranges in it. It was fucking obscene. His stomach was hard and tight. His ass was one of those round tight nigger bubble butts. His chest well defined with large nipples. He had a killer smile, thick nigger lips, and dark flashing eyes that often looked drugged. He had only recently gotten out of reform school for molesting a girl on the playground.

"So, my man, how's that little dick of yours hangin'?"

I spread my legs wider so he could see my pathetic shriveled white prick and small ball sack. If I didn't keep myself on display for them at all times, they would have a wet towel snapping session where my scrotum was the target. It hurt like hell and was totally humiliating.

"So, bro, is everything set up for tomorrow?" He stood close to me...so close that his huge flaccid hunk of fuck meat brushed my shoulder. His dick was so huge, it was just fucking obscene, and that was in its flaccid state. He had not showered yet, and his body reeked of the nigger stink of his workout.

"Please. Please don't do this. I know I agreed, but that was after you had beaten me almost senseless. Please, isn't there some other way?"

He lifted one leg and put his foot on the bench next to me. His gigantic balls swung back and forth in their fleshy sack.

"Dere is no other fucking way, man. You don't wanna even think of what we gonna do to you next time you disobeys us. Dere is no other way. Now it so happens dat I needs me a new girlfriend, and your pretty little daughter fills da bill."

I felt my stomach turn over. I tried to relax, to breath deeply, but I felt like I was choking. This teenage nigger thug was talking about my daughter. My little Crissy. My thirteen year old angel. He had announced to me that he wanted her to become his girlfriend! Jesus Christ!

At first I had bluntly refused, letting my anger and disgust show. All the niggers in the club gathered around me, about fifteen of them, and Jamal announced that I was racially prejudiced and didn't want him dating his white daughter. They started to slap and punch me.

"It's not that. Honest to God, I swear, it's not that you are black. It's that she is only thirteen. She's my innocent baby!"

Jamal roared with laughter. "Any bitch of thirteen is totally ready for dick! She probably sucking da boys at school every day anyway by now." He looked at the photo of her which he had taken from me. "Yeah, she got real cocksucker lips, she shore do!"

"Oh God no, she's just a baby." I was crying in front of all of them.

"No, daddy, you gots it wrong. She is a babe...not a baby. Dat pretty little pussy is ready for some nigger popping!" Half the niggers surrounding me were getting hard ons, and I don't there there was one under eight and a half inches.

For weeks I had argued, begged, pleaded, tried to bargain with Jamal, but he only wanted one thing. My daughter's virgin pussy. Once I stood up to them and told them I would go to the police. They had dragged me naked and screaming into the health club bathroom and forced me to eat turds out of the toilet bowl. I was sick for two days. The next time I went to the club, Jamal had made me suck his dick. That was the first time I saw it erect. Over twelve inches of throbbing leaking nigger cock. I had a panic attack and literally tried to run out of the club. They held me down on a bench and Jamal fed me his black fuck meat. His balls almost suffocated me. His dick choked me. He even made me suck his ass. What could I do? I agreed to let them have my daughter. I know, I am an awful man. A sinner. It is unforgivable, but I am scared out of my wits.

"So, tomorrow, I comes over to yo house dressed up real good. You introduce me to yo bitch daughter. Now when I sees her, dis is how I wants her dressed. A very tight tee shirt dat says printed on it, "I Love Nigga Dick!" She will wear no bra under it so I can see the tips of her budding little titties through the material. Den she is to wear her nice pleated cheer leader skirt like in da photo, only I don want her to wear no panties under it. From now on, yo daughter is forbidden to ever wear any panties. We want dat fresh young cunt and ass ready and available at all times. I want you to have some really top drawer booze at yo house ready for me. I am not sure what I will want, so you better have enough to satisfy me, whatever my taste might be. Who da fuck knows, I may want a cosmo, or maybe some of dat Louis XIII Brandy dat costs three hundred dollars. You better have it all. After I has a drink, you pretty little bitch and I gonna sit on da couch and get acquainted. Dat means you as da daddy get to watch me finger her cunt and play wit her titties. You gets to see her meet my big fat old dick and even lick and suck it a little. I always insists on sex on da first date, cause how else you know how a bitch perform, right? Shit, I insist on sex on every date. I mean dat is da only reason for da fucking date..to plow some pussy! Right? Otherwise I'd rather hang wit da home boys. Now she gonna be a little uptight and scared at firs...right? Specially when she see my dick and she know dat huge motherfucker is gonna plow her virgin twat! Oh yea, if she got any hair on her cunt yet, you make sure she shave it all off before tomorrow. I wanna see bald thirteen year old pussy."

While he said all of this to me at the health club, his dick got thicker and thicker and long strings of pre-fuck started to hang from the fat pisshole.

"Please don't hurt her...please." I was shaking in my naked agony.

"Hurt her? No why the fuck would I hurt my new girlfriend? I gonna love her. I gonna show her da pleasures of lovemaking. Shore, it gonna hurt a little da first time I ram my twelve and a half inch motherfucking dick balls deep into her tight little teenage pussy. Shore it gonna hurt when I pounds her as hard as I can, and den pull out and shove it as hard as I can up her little asshole. Shore dat gonna hurt a little, but dat is jus' part of growin' up. A her daddy, you understand dat. Right? Better to hab some nice boy like me who wants her for his girlfriend fucking her, den every boy at school who don't give a shit about her.

"Now don't you worry, I gonna take her into the bedroom to fuck her cunt and ass. I think dat is private. I mean, you can watch da first time she suck my balls and lick my dick and such. But fucking is between a guy and his girlfriend. I wants you dere at the start...at the sucking part, cause she is gonna be scared like I say, and you can calm her. Tell her it is a natural part of life, and she just gotta learn to please a man. She, she shoulda learned dat couple of years ago already. She is a late bloomer.

Now I am gonna want to use her bedroom for da first fuck,cause I wants to fuck her little bitch body in her teenage bed, wit all her teenage shit around. It will be so hot. But den, I is moving into your master bedroom. You can sleep on da couch. I wants a nice big bed and luxury for future fucks. I gotta fuck at least three times a day, usually more. Now of course I still going to be bangin' other cunt, but I will fuck your daughter regularly cause she is my number one girlfriend. My special bitch. I ain't gonna introduce her to my bros until after I fuck her for a week or so. Den when she broken in, I gonna share her with all da boys from dis here health club. Dere about twenty of us here as you know, so she gonna be pretty busy sucking nigga dick and getting ass and cunt fucked. We gonna do mos' of it over at yo house. You have lots of food dere at all times fo my brothers when dey comes over to fuck your daughter. Since she be fucking most every day all day and night from now on, I suggest you apply to home school her. Dat way, she don't even need to think about school and she can concentrate on nigga cock all da time."

"Please, please use condoms...." I had tears running down my face.

Jamal roared with laughter. "Condoms? Shit...no. We never use condoms. It ruins da fuck. Dat little bitch gonna be pregnant in a couple of weeks at mos'. You gonna be da grand daddy of a nigga chile! And who knows. She young. If she stay tight enough and cute enough, maybe we fuck her for three or four years, you know, pass her around, pimp her out. Shit, she still young enough. She could hab five or six nigga babies! We don' allow no abortions. She gonna breed. Now my brothers and daddy be comin' over lots to fuck her too, so you better have lots of keys to yo house made, or jus' leave the fucking place unlocked. She don't leave da house without permission. I would hate it for both of you if some black bro comes over for a good hard fuck, and she not dere! Now I know you worried about her. Don' be. After a few days of getting nigga dick, she gonna love it so much, dat all she gonna live for. I seen it in young white bitches lots of times. Someday she gonna thank you for all dis. I mean how many girls her age so lucky to get ten to fifteen black cocks a day? Long as her pussy and asshole hold up, she be happy. One thing, she gonna hab to be a really good cocksucker, cause One thig is dat when da boys in my hood meet up wit guys from other gangs...we got dis thing. We hab our girlfriends suck da cocks of all da members of the other gangs, as kind of a peace signal, you know, a sign dat we is kewl and everything is okay. So she gonna pretty much hab a dick in her mouth twenty-four seven for da next few months. She gonna be sucking on nigga dick even when she getting fucked by my bros. Dis house gonna be pretty packed full of black boys! Now, after a bitch has sucked fifteen to twenty dicks a day, she often get a real tired jaw and swollen lips and a sore tongue, so you gonna have to tell her no matter how tired she get, da last dick of da day she suck, gets jus' as good a suck as da first one in da morning. You gotta make sue she understand that. I can't have no bad reports from rival gangs dat my bitch can't suck!

Now we gots one more problem. Da little bitch gonna be so busy getting fucked and sucking dick, she ain't gonna hab no proper time to clean up da dicks after dey fuck her cunt and ass! You know it da bitch's job to clean a dick wit her mouth after a brother fuck her. I mean, you can't expect a brother to walk around wit pussy slime or ass juice on his dick. But she gonna be so busy, she ain't always gonna hab time to clean up, so you my friend is going to have to step up to da plate to help her. You gonna be the official dick cleaner. You gonna lick and suck da dicks clean after dey fuck yo bitch of a daughter. I want you naked on you hands and knees at all times around da house, ready to lick and suck dick clean. And you gonna do a fine job too, I just know it. You get all dat stink off da cock. Maybe you can entertain da brothers waiting next in line to fuck yo daughter too by lickig dere balls and assholes. I never thought of dat until just now. Hot damn, dat is a good idea, ain't it? So dey don't get bored while dey waitin. And den, to keep your daughter fresh and tight, after every three or four fucks, you gonna crawl in and suck the nigga cum right outta her pussy and asshole. Think how great dat is. You gonna get to suck some thirteen year old pussy and asshole! How lucky is dat? You gonna clean out her cunt real good with yo tongue so it is ready for da next nigga.

We gonna be da happiest family you ever seen! Now come on, white boy, suck my dick, can't you see it dripping all over da floor?"

I put my mouth over the head of the huge leaking hunk of fuckmeat, and resigned myself and my daughter to our new destiny.

Now if only... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253467)

...Apple would die. Quietly or screaming in flaming agony.

Re:Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253657)

But who would do development for Microsoft?

Re:Now if only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20254039)

You must mean R&D. Apple would be a huge loss for Microshaft. Gate & Co probably hasn't had a single original technical idea in their whole existence. They just know how to copy it, aggregate it, market it, overprice it, make it proprietary and stagnate everything they touch.

It ruled (4, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253509)

Back in 1993 when I got my first computer (Mac LC II) with ClarisWorks 2.0, my classmates were struggling with PCs running MS-DOS (oh, horror) and WordPerfect 5.1 (a steaming pile of excrement compared to ClarisWorks). Interapplication communication, PC-style, meant printing your shit and then cutting and pasting the hard way, with glue and scissors.
My smugness knew no bounds...

No Database App (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253515)

Just like Open Office and the previously mentioned "possible" adobe office suite, there is no decent database app. That is one major problem with implementing these suites in mid sized businesses. Most of the knuckle head managers in my company can create a database in access even thought they have no idea how a database works ("it looks like a spreadsheet"). Just try explaining how you can use odbc with OOO to your shipping manager.

Until they come up with a way to replace access, I cannot gain traction to even attempt to replace office.

What about FileMaker Pro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20253965)

Eh? eh?

Re:No Database App (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20254159)

Most of the knuckle head managers in my company can create a database in access even thought they have no idea how a database works ("it looks like a spreadsheet"). Just try explaining how you can use odbc with OOO to your shipping manager.
Just try explaining to the CEO why the shipping office can't ship due to the few thousand simultaneously-executing user-written queries running from OOO (or MS-whatever) over ODBC, resulting in deadlocks, failed transactions, and unbounded I/O Wait, and preventing any real work from happening throughout the business.

If ODBC is the solution you hand to end-users, then your IT environment must be in a shambles. No exceptions.

Re:No Database App (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254387)

Uhhhh... I'm no expert with Access (I avoid it as much as possible), but I'm pretty sure OpenOffice Base does the same damn thing. I've avoided Base for the most part too (I use real databases now), but why don't you try messing with it and see if it meets your needs. It can't hurt, can it?

Re:No Database App (2, Informative)

Dhrakar (32366) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254507)

Have you tried them on FileMaker? Version 9 just came out and is pretty cool. It integrates really well with Office stuff and is dead simple to start using. Apple is not going to include a database app with iWork as long as FileMaker is around.

Made it through college using it. (1)

sbate (916441) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253707)

I loved appleworks. In fact I would really like to get an apple 2e emulator. I would like to run ubuntu with the emulator in full screen to do my creative writing. I really though have not missed used since 1993.

Damn (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253741)

What an under-rated piece of software. Its integration was way ahead of MS Works. I used Claris Works all the way through college, I had it customized like crazy and had a load of repetitive jobs all automated with ease. I still use Appleworks to this day for preparing documents and simple brochures. I'll carry on using it too. "Prying from cold dead fingers" and all that.

AppleWorks on Apple II (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 7 years ago | (#20253773)

I remember using it on my Apple //. Good old days! It as all text mode, not fancy GUI like Macs' versions.

Farewell, old friend! (2, Insightful)

jpellino (202698) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254135)

This app pulled my chestnuts out of the fire more than a few times - simple, predictable, page accurate, lightweight, did 80% of Office... with a database, no less!

Rest In Peace (1)

Ranger (1783) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254189)

I knew one of the early developers who worked on it and the amazing thing about ClarisWorks was that in the Mac market it destroyed the market for Microsoft Works. No small feat.

ep!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20254377)

200 RUNnING NT [goat.cx]

Appleworks on Windows (1)

Jerry Smith (806480) | more than 7 years ago | (#20254555)

I remember receiving a course from our trainer, Jayesh Valambhia, at Apple Support. We all grew to be Appleworks gurus (of course we continued to say 'Claris', because of that support folder in the system folder, and we denied the claris-to-apple-works update). Cheers Claris, here's looking at you, kid. *pours wine*
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