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143 comments

Fear the dot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20271955)

"While the article claims "this procedure can be performed by the average user," it might at least have to be an average user with no fear of the command line."

Oh yeah! Linus will not have a problem with this.

Re:Fear the dot. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272089)

He snaps his fingers and I hungrily crawl across the floor toward him. He sits casually naked in his chair, his chocolate brown muscular body relaxed, and his strong legs spread wide so that I can see the object of my love, my life. Some of you will think I am perverted, and others of you may even suspect I am mentally ill, but I tell you I am not. I have just found the answer to all my longing...a reason to live. My Black Boyfriend's huge hunk of fuckmeat! Before you call me a worthless slut, please take into consideration that I just turned fifteen and that I never had sex before I met Tyrone. I think I'm a pretty girl, at least my family and the kids at school always said so. My dad told me I was too young to date boys, and I had always obeyed my parents. That is until I met Tyrone. He swept me off my feet. I am a tiny girl, although I do have very large tits. Tyrone is six foot six and his body is that of a God. But he taught me that I don't need to worship his whole body. That is not my purpose in life. I only need to worship his enormous Dick! I live now only for Tyrone's cock...to serve it in any way I can.

That day I met him at the mall changed my life forever. Until then, I had had an ordinary life with ordinary goals and dreams. Within a week of meeting Tyrone, he had fucked away my virginity and taught me how to suck his huge cock to his satisfaction. Pleasing him wasn't easy. I had had no experience. I was just a stupid cunt. But he was patient. He taught me that the most important thing in a cunt's life is to service her man's cock. He urged me to run away from home and come live with him. So I did. I left my family and friends, my school, my entire lifestyle to be with my boyfriend. I was in love. Once he had me living with him, he set about to change my love of him to love of his big black prick.

As I crawl across the floor toward Tyrone in his chair, the bell he has hanging from my clit makes the prettiest little sound. the padlocks he put through each of my nipples cause my tits to hang heavy and swing. Tyrone loves that. As I crawl, my eyes are riveted on his cock. hanging there half hard between his strong brown thighs. He wants me to only look at cocks...not even bother with guys faces or bodies...my eyes are to be always looking at cock. Even when black guys pass me on the street, I am to look at the lumps in their pants and imagine how big and tasty their dicks are. I have learned that there are many different tastes to black guys' pricks. This has taken lots of practice. I am not allowed any music or tv or ordinary books or magazines. I am instructed to watch four hours of fuck videos each day, and Tyrone has me read books like. ""Black Master's Teenage Slave.""

Tyrone has had a bad cold this week, so he frequently spits into a cup he has on a table next to him. When the cup is filled with his spit and nose gunk, he hands it to me to drink. I don't mind this because he is my boyfriend and my life to me. As I get closer to the chair, I can smell his dick and balls and my pussy starts to tingle and get wet. There is no joy in the world for me like being able to suck his dick for him. It's so large that at first when he face fucked me, it really ripped up my throat. I couldn't talk for about a week. But Tyrone never was gentle...that is for other guys to be..sissy guys. NO, Tyrone takes what he wants, and that is why I love him so much. His black cock is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. My eyes tear up and I get a lump in my throat when he puts on pants because I can't stand to have it covered up. When he comes home from selling drugs or playing basketball, he will sometimes throw his dirty underwear or jock strap to me, and I get to suck on it and smell where his prick and balls have been all day.

It still hurts when he fucks me because his cock is so big and he is so rough. It hurts even more when he fucks my ass. I just turned fifteen last week, and a few months ago, I didn't even know people got fucked in the ass. Now it happens to me five or ten times a day. You see, Tyrone make me allow all of his friends to fuck me too. He says it's right for him to share me. So I have to suck and get fucked by up to fifteen guys each day.

Tyrone fucks other girls of course. He kindly explained to me that my cunt just wasn't enough to satisfy him. That doesn't mean he doesn't love me, and that I'm not his girlfriend. He just needs fresh pussy. I can understand that. But I don't like it that he comes home after fucking other girls with his dick unwashed and then wants me to lick and suck the dried cuntslime from his prick and balls.

""Clean it up!"" he say, slumping in his chair to smoke a joint. I have to lick every trace of the fuck off his huge orange sized nuts and his massive prick. But because I love the dick so much, I am willing to do it, and soon the taste of cunt goes away and I am left with the wonderful flavor of his fuckmeat. The only time I really hate it is when he has fucked some girl in the ass, and then I really can't stand the taste. Still I have to do it if I want to keep him as my boyfriend.

Please don't think he isn't wonderful to me. Two or three times a week, he lets me sleep in his bed with his dick in my mouth all night. Other nights I sleep at the side of the bed with a special blanket that he has jerked off into over a hundred times. I suck on it and kiss it and smell his cock smell.

He also buys me new clothes for when he takes me out. Around the house I have to be naked so I am ready to fuck at all times, but when he takes me out, he lets me wear beautiful tiny leather skirts that come to just below my pussy and see through white blouses that are quite expensive. Of course I wear no underwear. He says he loves the way my brown nipples show through the material of the blouse. He makes me work on my nipples every day for an hour so that they stick out like erasers.

I am also his special toilet girl. That means that of all the girls he fucks, he only pisses in my mouth! That's why I am allowed to sleep by his bedside on the floor, so that when he needs to take a leak from that huge fat wonderful black fuck sausage, I can slide it in my mouth and swallow his urine. He tells me that soon I will learn other ways to please him, and he will no longer need toilet paper.

Do you think it is possible for a fifteen year old girl to find happiness like this. Sometimes I really miss my mother and father and brother. To help me get over them, he lines my litter box with their photos, and I have to squat and piss and shit on them. I am not allowed to use a toilet as that is for my boyfriend to use...I have to do my job in a litterbox, often with all of his friends watching. They laugh a lot and have a really good time watching me piss and shit. I do get to clean Tyrone's toilet though with my mouth.

When Tyrone's friends are over to watch some sports event on tv, I serve them drinks and food, and they are allowed to finger me of course. When they are not fingering me, I have to sit on a hassock next to the tv with my legs spread, holding my cunt lips open for his friends to see up my ditch. This is to entertain them Tyrone says. Tyrone says a girl of fifteen should know how to properly sit for her boyfriend. He will sometimes order me to stick three or four fingers up my cunt and sit that way. He says soon, my entire hand will fit up inside my twat, and then we will work on working my other hand up my asshole at the same time. I know it will hurt, but I also know I will do whatever Tyrone wants. After all, he is my boyfriend.

What's the worst thing about buying an apple? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20271969)

Having to tell your parents you're gay.

Re:What's the worst thing about buying an apple? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272383)

I lolled.

I'll wait (5, Insightful)

Merritt.kr (1120467) | more than 6 years ago | (#20271971)

I think I'll just wait until another iPhone type phone comes out. The openmoko, or something along those lines. Because something else with touchscreen and video and etc WILL come out, and I have no doubt it will be better, considering how many people are p.o.'ed about the restrictions on the iPhone (like 3rd party apps, restriction to AT&T, etc). Just a matter of time.

Re:I'll wait (4, Informative)

man_ls (248470) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272055)

HTC P4550 Kaiser

I'd argue that it is equal to or better than the iPhone...it's like the 8525 on steroids (AT&T is rumored to be getting it as the 8925 this year.)

Quad-band GSM/GPRS, also includes UMTS and HSDPA versus EDGE Only for the iPhone, means you'll be able to access the Internet and pretty quickly as well.
Windows Mobile 6 Professional versus Proprietary for the iPhone, means you'll have no trouble finding a ton of third-party applications that'll run out of the box.
Transflash slot versus Internal Hard Drive...the iPhone might win this one, the largest Transflash card I've found anywhere is 2GB and that was very expensive. But you can carry multiple ones around with you without much of a problem.
3MP Camera with Autofocus, an actual camera with optics.
+ a front VGA camera for video calls.
and finally, built-in GPS + Google Maps for WM6 to allow you to do the iPhone "local businesses" thing.

Only difference is this one has a flip-out keyboard...it's about as powerful as a 2002-era consumer PC, and those are functional for almost everything.

Re:I'll wait (5, Funny)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272551)

Jeezly crow. How big is this thing?

I'm sure my tailor could sew a pocket into my pants that's big enough to hold my Dell D420 laptop, too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Re:I'll wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272607)

Where did you get the idea that it is big?

From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone.

That would make it SMALLER.

Re:I'll wait (3, Informative)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272719)

From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone.

That would make it SMALLER.

Except that the iPhone doesn't have a hard drive; it has flash. The specs for the HTC P4550 [pdadb.net] say it's 59x112x19 mm, 190 g with battery. The specs for the iPhone [apple.com] say it's 61x115x11.6mm, so the iPhone is a little longer and wider and a little thinner, and it weighs 135 g (and the battery's attached to the motherboard, so presumably that's "with battery"), so the iPhone is a little lighter.

Re:I'll wait (5, Informative)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272745)

From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone. That would make it SMALLER.

Kangaroos don't have dorsal fins, Chevrolets don't run on kerosene, and iPhones don't have hard drives. Other than that, yeah, I see your point.

iPhone weight: 140 grams
Kaiser weight: 192 grams
iPhone volume: 94185 mm^3 (115x63x13 mm)
Kaiser volume: 114840 mm^3 (110x58x18 mm)

Re:I'll wait (1)

man_ls (248470) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272609)

About the same as the iPhone, honestly. It runs $850 unlocked retail, though, but it's arguably more functional for that price than any locked proprietary phone could be.

Re:I'll wait (4, Insightful)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272683)

Agreed... after Googling it, you're right, it does look like a pretty nice phone, and only about 50% heavier than the iPhone.

But it's a phone for phone geeks, not Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine. WTF are all those tiny hieroglyphic icons all over the screen?

And for that matter, what's up with the name? "HTC P4550 Kaiser"? Is that a cell phone, or something that requires State Department approval to export to non-NATO countries?

The comments that point out that the iPhone is more than the sum of its bullet points sound like excuse-making and back-pedalling, but they're not. They're 100% on target. If the Kaiser hardware were available with anything like the iPhone's OS, I'd probably be willing to pay $2000 for it. As it is, if I bought an HTC P4550 Kaiser, I'd just be buying one more gadget full of features I'll never remember how to use.

Re:I'll wait (4, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273141)

But it's a phone for phone geeks, not Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine. WTF are all those tiny hieroglyphic icons all over the screen?
At $500, the iPhone is also not a phone for Joe Sixpack and Jane Boxwine.

Re:I'll wait (1, Informative)

CelticLo (575344) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274927)

"Agreed... after Googling it, you're right, it does look like a pretty nice phone, and only about 50% heavier than the iPhone."
That's funny because it's only 27.1% heavier than the iPhone.

Re:I'll wait (1)

sirshannon (616247) | more than 6 years ago | (#20275947)

I gave up on waiting for the Kaiser to come to AT&T (I currently have the Cingular 8125 / HTC Wizard, the Kaiser's grandfather) and bought an iPhone yesterday, but I think I can answer a couple of your points:

1. the Kaiser is (was) the codename, the HTC version will be named the P4550. Like Longhorn was for Vista. When released by AT&T, it will be called the "AT&T Tilt".

2. you wouldn't forget *how* to use any feature on the Kaiser, the OS isn't difficult mentally. Physically, yes. Although it makes many features available via fingers & big buttons, many of the features still require the keyboard, the stylus, or some very small and precise fingers. And it is nowhere near as nice to look at. BUT... for things like Google Maps, you're gonna have a version that looks almost as good, is as easy to use (other than the 2-finger zoom functionality that the iPhone has) and is better in some ways (like onboard GPS integration and the mysterious missing "hybrid" view on the iPhone's google Maps software. Not sure why Google left that out, they included it in the Windows Mobile version a year ago).

3. $2000 is too much. But without a 2-year contract, the AT&T Tilt is probably going to cost more than the iPhone. Ouch. Or you can order the P4550 for as low as $850 [negrielectronics.com] ! ouch again.

Re:I'll wait (1)

arachnoprobe (945081) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274429)

I'm sure my tailor could sew a pocket into my pants that's big enough to hold my Dell D420 laptop, too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
You don't need a tailor for that, Scottevest (http://www.scottevest.com/ [scottevest.com] ) has a jacket with all you need :). Even normal "big" gadgets don't bulge your pockets, but it even has a 15"laptop-sized backpocket in the "TACTICAL 4.0 Jacket".

Re:I'll wait (2, Interesting)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272677)

Transflash slot versus Internal Hard Drive

Neither of which the iPhone has (its file system is in flash memory).

Re:I'll wait (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272703)

For MicroSD, 4GB are available online, and 8GB were announced a few months ago. I picked up a 2GB for ~$40 several months ago.

And the 8525 can already do everything the iPhone can do, minus the touch screen. The iPhone does bring a better interface (HTC's TouchFLO being a response to this), but the 8525 has a lot more functionality. I dunno if I'd call the Kaiser a Hermes on steroids, there aren't a whole lot of upgrades. The Hermes already has GPS onboard, but it's physically disabled. The only thing they really added was 128MB for the rom, 64MB for RAM, and a flip up style keyboard.

Still a nice device for sure, but nothing (as an 8525 owner) to get real exited about.

Re:I'll wait (1)

man_ls (248470) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272797)

"Physically disabled" -- it's harder than just reflashing to fix that, I imagine?

Re:I'll wait (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273065)

Yeah. There are radio roms available that would enable the GPS. However, there are numerous problems [xda-developers.com] enabling GPS on it.

Re:I'll wait (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272731)

Windows Mobile 6 Professional versus Proprietary for the iPhone...

"Proprietary versus Proprietary"? I don't get it; what's your point? Unless I'm reading it wrong you just repeated the same word twice.

Re:I'll wait (0)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273089)

I'm not sure what his point is, but if you're going to go with something proprietary, far better to go with Microsoft's standard in most cases. They have, in general, more leverage.

Re:I'll wait (3, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273597)

I was (sarcastically) making the point that, as far as I'm concerned, Windows Mobile is no better than, and just as proprietary as, the iPhone's OS.

Re:I'll wait (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274485)

You can probably run NetBSD on either of them. But since the display is proprietary on both, you can only get to the /bin/csh (or /usr/pkg/bin/bash if you install the package) prompt by hard-wiring a VT100 terminal. Most people don't want to carry around a VT100 to connect to their cell phone with a UNIX command prompt.

(the above method is the only way of running NetBSD on certain Powerbooks)

Re:I'll wait (1)

doctormetal (62102) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274885)

I was (sarcastically) making the point that, as far as I'm concerned, Windows Mobile is no better than, and just as proprietary as, the iPhone's OS.

Both are proprietary, so what? Will an open OS make it a better phone? Probably not.

The big advantage of a windows mobile device over an iphone is that it is easy to run third party apps (without having to hack your device).
It is also very easy to develop your own software for WM 5 or 6 using the .net compact framework or just plain C++.

Re:I'll wait (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 6 years ago | (#20275505)

I would try a simple experiment.

Take an iPhone and a HTC Kaiser, put them side by side, and see which one is more fun to use.

If you're anything like me, the iPhone absolutely crushes everything else out there in terms of design appeal.

You can say that shouldn't matter, that raw features are more important, but certainly it's hard to beat the enthusiasm surrounding the iPhone.

You can get a Chinese iPhone knockoff that allegedly runs Linux, and therefore has third party software development. It has a removable battery and works on any carrier, and if that pleases you, enjoy it. But I think the overwhelming majority of people will enormously prefer the real thing.

Play with the iPhone for a few minutes and you will see the colossal effort and massive numbers of man-hours that went into creating its software. Every second of those 2 1/2 years of development shows up on the screen.

Maybe some people go too far in their iPhone worship. But it really is an incredible device. Nobody's going to beat it unless they write a new OS from the ground up, and it would take years for that to happen.

D

Re:I'll wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20275995)

Wow.... been a fanboi long? Come on. A fun interface is a great selling point, and really matters for about 2 days. Even a mediocre interface becomes second nature at that point, and then its the features that matter. When you want to install some cool new software on it at day 3, and the guy who took 2 days and now navigates his phone just as fast as your iPhone can actually install it, and you get to stand there thinking "but I can get my information in 5 clicks instead of 6 because I went with Apple", you can think about that wonderful interface.

Yes, Windows Mobile is proprietary, but it has a well documented API that is mature, and MS has a development environment for it (there is probably even an "express" version of VS that is free as in beer, there are for most other purposes), and there are thousands of third part apps out there for it... I personally love MAME on my PDA... I think it would be wonderful to have that on an iPhone.... it might eventually happen, but there are thousands of folks writing apps for windows mobile. Hell, I'd even take PalmOS over this.

Re:I'll wait (1)

grrrgrrr (945173) | more than 6 years ago | (#20277005)

I think you do not understand what an iphone is. It is like not understanding what an ipod is when you compare it to other mp3 players that may have more features like a fm radio for example. Look for example here. http://dotnetaddict.dotnetdevelopersjournal.com/ip hone_competitors.htm [dotnetdeve...ournal.com]

Re:I'll wait (3, Insightful)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272123)

I can't even take a picture and download it to my computer without paying my phone company, I don't expect any phones to become truly open anytime soon :(

Re:I'll wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272755)

Is this some sort of subtle humour ? You are aware that the iPhone does this, right ? No charge...

Re:I'll wait (3, Informative)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272765)

I have an iPhone, and I can get my photos onto my computer for free.

Re:I'll wait (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273127)

It helps to may more than the activation fee when you buy your phone. Anything other than a crap feature phone allows you to do this.

Re:I'll wait (1)

dr00g911 (531736) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273545)

Um, what phone do you have? A synch is a synch and an email is an email.... both free.

The iPhone isn't a cure for cancer, but it's a damned nice phone, with reasonably priced data plans (comparatively speaking).

I can't think of one where you'd be paying for sending a photo anywhere, much less your own PC over a synch.

--d

Re:I'll wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272461)

"I think I'll just wait until another iPhone type phone comes out."

That's where the half price, linux os'ed chinese knock-off's come into their own ;)

Re:I'll wait (4, Insightful)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272531)

This is the fallacy of the feature list. The iPhone, when it is great (it isn't always) isn't great just for what it can do, but for how seamless it makes doing it. The interface, not the feature. The copycats will look better on paper, and totally miss the point.

Re:I'll wait (3, Insightful)

shmlco (594907) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272709)

It doesn't work if you have to explain it. Some people instinctively grok elegance... and others don't. It's as simple as that.

Re:I'll wait (4, Funny)

Afecks (899057) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273085)

Sounds like religion.

I'll wait for a better faith. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20273285)

Except for the fact that good HCI can be measured.

Re: Elegance like a religion (3, Interesting)

ezavada (91752) | more than 6 years ago | (#20275911)

Sounds like religion

Maybe. An elegant design reflects a deep understanding of everything it touches. Intensive study is necessary, but it goes beyond that. You have to know it so well that you instinctively feel what works and what doesn't. You can't grok something that way without caring a great deal about it. And while one person usually has a guiding vision, it takes the intense focus of lots of people to get the best possible outcome.

That's when the magic happens. The design starts to seem purely asthetic, because the functional design seamlessly helps you do what you wanted, without calling attention to itself. It's only if you stop and think about the amount of complexity that's hidden (beneath the apparent simplicity) that you really start to appreciate how elegant that design is.

So, like a religion? Well, perhaps like the good bits.

Re:I'll wait (2, Insightful)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274499)

Some people 'grok elegance' on different levels. I grok the elegance of the ergonomic design of my electric wire-wrap gun and an OK Industries cut-and-strip wire wrap bit.

You go ahead and 'grok the elegance' of slick shiney consumer stuff if that's your thing.

Re:I'll wait (1)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273503)

The iPhone interface is very nice. But the best interface doesn't help me if the thing just doesn't do what I need my phone to do, and it doesn't.

OpenMoko (3, Interesting)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272883)

Is not going to be all that awesome. Without carrier support, which it will never get, it will never be able to use any faster data connection than GPRS.

Re:I'll wait (1)

torxic (939488) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273661)

Nokia N800 Internet Tablet

+Official linux support (Based on debian)
+800x480 Resolution
+Long battery life (2 weeks standby, 6 hours active use)
+Mozilla-based browser (Runs youtube and other ajax sites well)
+Just USD329

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800 [wikipedia.org]

Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20271995)

It just works!

A (much) better step-by-step at Macworld (4, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 6 years ago | (#20271997)

Great! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272003)

Anyone has an app that can make a phone call?

Re:Great! (1)

Evenstone (957409) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272713)

Good question, considering that all the AT&T iPhone plans come with unlimited data (think VoIP).

Re:Great! (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274519)

It seems, though, that one of the pointed reasons for the 'closed' design of the Iphone is to prevent people from running VoIP apps.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272861)

Anyone has an app that can make a phone call?


No, but I'm developing voice plugin for the iPhones SMS application. That way one could have kind of almost realtime audio chat.

careful (4, Informative)

wannasleep (668379) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272189)

The danger here is that an iphone update could wipe out not only your changes, but also your ringtones, your address book etc. The reason is that the software update performs an integrity check. If the check fails the update reinstalls the operating system.

It happened to me, but I expected it. A "regular" user may not appreciate.

Re:careful (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272569)

The thing to remember first and foremost their concern is maintaining the integrity of the iPhone as it was designed. Part of the issues with doing the reload is to avoid a tech support call when their shareware app isn't compatible with the changes in the iPhone OS. If you're after an open source product iPhone isn't it and it's not likely it ever will be. I'm sure eventually they have a SDK and encourage some third party development but it'll never be a tinkerers device. It does a great job at what it was designed to do. If it isn't what you want or need find something that suits your needs. I really think the third party app issue is overblown. No one is dropping $500 to $600 on a phone that doesn't do what they want but they hope down the line additional apps will be available. I decided to wait because I just got a service contract and I couldn't wait for the iPhone. I'm really waiting for the next generation because I want twice the memory and I want a movie function added. When they release the second genration I'll be happy to buy my way out of the contract. The fact it doesn't quite suit my needs but the next generation should softened the blown of not being able to wait.

Re:careful (1)

sirshannon (616247) | more than 6 years ago | (#20275971)

"No one is dropping $500 to $600 on a phone that doesn't do what they want but they hope down the line additional apps will be available."

that is definitely not true. You meant "I am not dropping... I want but I hope..."

How is that dangerous (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272761)

The danger here is that an iphone update could wipe out not only your changes, but also your ringtones, your address book etc.

How would an iPhone update do that? Or perhaps I should say, how is that really dangerous?

The worst case is an update wipes the device and reinstalls the OS clean. But you certainly aren't going to lose Address Book data - after all, that's all synced to the computer when you connect, as is every other possible spec of data stored in normal locations on the device. Sure you might have to re-load a few custom apps, or be without custom apps for a few days after a major update while people figure out how to get them on again. But if the mod community can keep up with Sony on the PSP that is activley trying to lock them out, the more lackadasical Apple will do nothing to seriously impede hacking the device.

Re:How is that dangerous (1)

wannasleep (668379) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273135)

Here are some more details that you may want to consider: a user who doesn't know about it will not be pleased and could also be scared. I can tolerate it, my wife can't. My iPhone is heavily modded hers isn't.
Some examples on the address book:
- if you use windows (don't know about mac) and you add an entry to your address book directly on the iPhone, it is not synchronized back,so when you restore from your address book, all the entries you added are gone.
- If you associated pictures to your address book, the association is gone; same for ringtones;

All I am saying is that until Apple creates and SDK and signs application, adding apps is not for every user. And even an experienced user may find it very annoying. Configuring all the features is a major pain...

Re:How is that dangerous (1, Interesting)

vsync64 (155958) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273413)

Good to know Apple's sync software doesn't properly back up an iPhone. I'll pass that on to anyone that asks me if they are a good buy.

Re:How is that dangerous (2, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274941)

"Apple's sync software" (iTunes) absolutely does back up an iPhone. To say that it doesn't is completely incorrect. All data you'd expect to sync does in fact sync as you'd expect it to, both on Mac OS and Windows [apple.com] . (How did this get modded up?)

Custom ringtone associations are lost because, well, the iPhone doesn't support custom ringtones (yet).

Backing up an iPhone completely is a necessity because:

1.) If an iPhone needs to be "Restored" (set back to factory defaults), there obviously needs to be a way to get the user data back onto it as it was.

2.) If an iPhone needs to be sent in for service, and you receive a loaner AppleCare iPhone in the meantime, you obviously want to sync it and have all of your data.

Funny that you'd just assume that "Apple's sync software doesn't properly back up an iPhone" when Apple has been one of the largest vendor doing such syncing reliably (with iPod and iTunes) for *years*, and your first reaction is that you'd need to run out and "tell" people who ask you if the iPhone is a "good buy".

See:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/questionsandanswers.ht ml [apple.com]
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305 741 [apple.com]

Cookbook? (1)

ZachMG (1122511) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272209)

I know it blends [youtube.com] , but you can't breathe the dust and it must be quite crunchy.

iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity (5, Insightful)

landonf (905751) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272287)

Imagine how valuable a smart phone is as a malware target: it's carried on your persons, has access to your home and office, it's always always on, has direct internet connectivity, a decent camera, sensitive microphone, and a great deal of your personal information.

Given the value of this target, why on earth are people installing random binaries on their iPhone when they have absolutely no way of ascertaining whether they can trust the original provider of said binaries?

Writing malware is not particularly difficult when you have a good SDK. The iPhone is, for most purposes, a fully functional and familiar UNIX environment, and the APIs necessary to build a SpyPhone are not a secret. Given the lack of insight the average user will have into the operating system on a handheld device, they'd likely never know of an infection.

While I *very much doubt* we'll ever see a mass malware infection, users need to be careful about what they put on their phone, who made the binaries, and how they verify the source. Even one compromised iPhone would be very valuable to a nefarious malfeasant.

Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272487)

Given the value of this target, why on earth are people installing random binaries on their iPhone when they have absolutely no way of ascertaining whether they can trust the original provider of said binaries?

Writing malware is not particularly difficult when you have a good SDK. The iPhone is, for most purposes, a fully functional and familiar UNIX environment, and the APIs necessary to build a SpyPhone are not a secret. Given the lack of insight the average user will have into the operating system on a handheld device, they'd likely never know of an infection.

While I *very much doubt* we'll ever see a mass malware infection, users need to be careful about what they put on their phone, who made the binaries, and how they verify the source. Even one compromised iPhone would be very valuable to a nefarious malfeasant.


Well, you've more or less have put on a major concern of *ALL* smartphones. Whether it runs OS X (iPhone), Windows Mobile, Linux, Symbian, RIM OS (Blackberry) - they all meet the same criteria. Most people will install a random binary on their smartphone if it does something "interesting", regardless of what it runs.

In fact, I'd say that Windows Mobile, Linux and Symbian have better SDKs than the iPhone. The iPhone SDK is just a hacked together version of GCC, headers from desktop OS X, and libraries from the iPhone itself. There's no official SDK for the iPhone. Windows Mobile has one courtesy of Microsoft, Linux well, it's all open source and easily available, and Symbian provides an SDK of their own as well. And the APIs of Windows mobile, Linux and Symbian are way more documented than the iPhone's "hidden" API set.

Hmm... wait a minute... spyware for Blackberries [slashdot.org] already exist...

Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity (2, Funny)

Strange Ranger (454494) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273803)

>Well, you've more or less have put on a major concern of *ALL* smartphones. Whether it runs OS X (iPhone), Windows Mobile, Linux, Symbian, RIM OS (Blackberry) - they all meet the same criteria. Most people will install a random binary on their smartphone if it does something "interesting", regardless of what it runs.

Whatever. You're going to be so jealous that my phone has Comet Cursor and Weather Bug on it.

Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274531)

It's a symbiotic relationship made for the iMac demographic. Look for fun times ahead.

Re:iPhone Hacking End-User Insecurity (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272503)

...users need to be careful about what they put on their phone, who made the binaries, and how they verify the source. Even one compromised iPhone would be very valuable to a nefarious malfeasant.

Well, yeah. Replace "iPhone" with "computer" and you have the current state of affairs.

I'm starting to think that Apple has made this 'just hackable enough.' That is, if you want to, and don't fear the command line, you can do it (and they can disclaim any responsibility.) But if you don't want to, you don't have to worry.

That said, I'm holding off to see how this tug-of-war plays out.

...why? (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272291)

If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open [openmoko.org] ?

Not trying to troll or anything... I'm being serious. I truely believe in what OpenMoko is doing. Apple makes OK hardware and systems, but I will still side with whichever is more open.

*shrugs* I suppose I've just never found the iPhone to be anywhere near appealing.

Re:...why? (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272595)

If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open [openmoko.org]?

Because the software is not actually finished and some people want a functional phone? (The web site you link specifically screams "Currently it is not suitable for users.") The operating system isn't even functional, much less having applications (such as a good browser).

Then there's the fact that the phone that's available doesn't have WiFi (a deal breaker for me), nor a camera (which kind of sucks, but maybe forgivable).

In short, this is a few years away from being any sort of competitor with the iPhone or S60-based phones.

Re:...why? (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273667)

Then there's the fact that the phone that's available doesn't have WiFi (a deal breaker for me), nor a camera (which kind of sucks, but maybe forgivable).

In short, this is a few years away from being any sort of competitor with the iPhone or S60-based phones.

If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching [openmoko.org] , you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). This version was designed with price in mind. It purposely lacks some non-essential features to make it more affordable to developers. The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's 2 months away... much sooner than "a few years away".

Re:...why? (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#20275965)

If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching [openmoko.org], you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). [...] The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's 2 months away... much sooner than "a few years away".

Note that I said a few years until it's a competitor with the iPhone or S60-based phones, not that you couldn't get a box with some sort of software on it.

The site also says that the *software* will be barely useful in October -- at the earliest. And maybe you can find them, but I see absolutely no screenshots of any applications beyond the basic phone. Is the browser going to suck like most phones? Who knows? The FAQ says:

What software is on the phone?

At the moment, almost no 'end-user' applications are present and working in a usable state. It is possible to make and receive calls in some software revisions, this frequently breaks though.

So they don't even have phone calls working at this point! The second rev hardware *might* be available in two months, but I highly doubt it will be stable and useful (much less mature and bug free) in 2 months.

It's cool if someone wants to buy one of these to play around with, but it's worthless at this point if you want a phone that is stable with a rich set of applications, which is easily a few years off.

Why not? The usual reasons. (5, Informative)

mbessey (304651) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272605)

Why not buy an OpenMoko phone? Well, it's certainly poised to bring the same success to the mobile phone market as we've been seeing with Linux on the desktop.

from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview [openmoko.org]
What you can expect
a functional bootloader with support for firmware upgrades
a functional Linux kernel with basic drivers for the various hardware subsystems, with small bugs here and there
a basic, simple linux distribution based on OpenEmbedded, that you have to install yourself as rootfs image using USB DFU
all the source code that we have at this point in time, and the corresponding build system
mailing lists

What you CAN NOT expect yet
reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
integrated GPRS data access
bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works)
proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet)
ringtone (or other) profile management
network preferences (call deflection, manual operator selection, ...)
a complete application framework where third party application developers can write apps that easily integrate with the OpenMoko world

Maybe I'm just a stupid Apple fan-boy, but I'm willing to spend a little extra for a cellular phone that can, you know, make phone calls.

Re:Why not? The usual reasons. (2, Informative)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273695)

As you so eloquently pointed it, that is the Developer Preview.

As stated in other post [slashdot.org] :

If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching [openmoko.org] , you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). This version was designed with price in mind. It purposely lacks some non-essential features to make it more affordable to developers. The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's only 2 months away...
Damn you fan-boys piss me off. You bash anything you don't understand, or apparently don't care to understand. Do some research and save the world the hassle of dealing with asshats like you.

Re:Why not? The usual reasons. (1)

Cato (8296) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273745)

This reminds me of my reaction to Linux on PCs about 15 years ago - I had a choice of UnixWare (from Novell) or Linux, and thought that Linux was very incomplete and wouldn't go anywhere. Today, UnixWare is almost dead, and many of the surviving Unixes are open source (the BSDs, Solaris, Darwin, ...) due to the success of Linux on the server. I now run Linux on my main home PC, and customers of my (proprietary software) employer are now saying 'support Linux or Windows or you won't buy your software at all in 18 months time'.

Mobile phone Linux will develop just as Linux did on PCs, servers and embedded devices. See this article by Jim Ready, who helped create the RTOS industry in the 1980s, for more on how Linux became a mobile phone OS through reduced RAM usage, execute in place, power management, memory type based allocation, ARM Thumb instruction support for more compact code, DirectFB for nice GUIs without X's overhead, and real-time features: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9959043369.html [linuxdevices.com]

OpenMoko is explicitly documented as being a developer platform not a normal phone - maybe the title of the page you linked to, "Developer Preview", should have given you a clue there... If you want a Linux phone that is usable out of the box, there are quite a few available now even in the US, such as the Motorola Razr V8: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3724634466.html [linuxdevices.com]

Re:Why not? The usual reasons. (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274605)

This reminds me of my reaction to Linux on PCs about 15 years ago - I had a choice of UnixWare (from Novell) or Linux, and thought that Linux was very incomplete and wouldn't go anywhere. Today, UnixWare is almost dead, and many of the surviving Unixes are open source (the BSDs, Solaris, Darwin, ...) due to the success of Linux on the server.

Yes, the best choice isn't a constant in time. As things change, so does your best choice. It doesn't mean we should try and guess how things will be far forward and use products that will be only usable 15 years in the future.

Because I need a phone too (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272803)

The OpenMoko looks very cool. But I need a phone that works reliably, from there I am willing to hack it. Right now the OpenMoko is not that phone.

But really Apple has made far better than "just OK" hardware in this case. The hardware is awesome. The Open Moko, in pictures, looks to be a little large and unwieldy which is why I didn't buy a number of WM or Palm devices through the years.

I'll be watching what happens there, particularily how well it truly works with multiple carriers.

Re:Because I need a phone too (2, Informative)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273611)

The Open Moko, in pictures, looks to be a little large
Looks pretty close [gizmodo.com] to the same size as the iPhone to me...

is that a medical condition? (3, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272361)

Is command line phobia a medical condition or is it related to a fear of typing? Do people actually get the shakes and start screaming "where did all the icons go"? An older Unix system must make them go fetal.

Re:is that a medical condition? (1)

vonFinkelstien (687265) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272865)

"Type? There? No, no I won't" "But you'll get that sweet app that I have on my iPhone." "Please, no. I can't. I won't" "What's wrong with you. Look, just type this.* *Arrggh!*

Re:is that a medical condition? (2, Funny)

shmlco (594907) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272953)

No, it's more like "I have a life and don't need to learn arcane commands written by social misfits who themselves had a deep phobia of dictionaries."

Re:is that a medical condition? (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274575)

Well, I will choose 'learn arcane commands' over 'click on pretty buttons' when what happens when the 'pretty buttons' are clicked is governed by not just a social misfit, but an organization of marketing types run by a crack dealer type guy for whom the only reason he isn't the captioned photo beside 'social misfit' in Wikipedia is that he has a lot of legal muscle.

OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! (1)

Obstin8 (827030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272371)

Why must every OSX article refer to "fear of the command line" or some other silly reference to it. It's been seven fucking years since OSX debuted. It's UNIX. Get over it people - we're all fairly comfortable with sh by now.

I never see these patronizing predicates in Windows articles where one must enter something into the shell. Seems to be some kind of hand-wringing phenomenon that only affects Mac authors. I don't know if it's some kind of weird CLI hubris ala the 'Ruby on Rails/glossy black Macbook' crowd, or if the authors sincerely think that people are scared of the CLI (even weirder since it's a dev oriented article). Whatever, I wish all these authors would just skip over their CLI anxieties and move on.

If they really wanted to get scared using a command line on a Mac then they should have tried MachTen on System 7. 'Nuff said.

Re:OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! (1)

One Childish N00b (780549) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272575)

Because the whole point of the Mac, and the thing valued most by it's whole target market, is it's simplicity. The UNIX underbelly is supposed to stay hidden beneath the sleek brushed-metal lines. You don't get these patronising predicates in Windows articles involving the shell because the Windows shell is considerably less complex (read: powerful) than the UNIX shell that OS X has. To an unfamiliar user, that much power is scary.

Also, it might be a dev-oriented article, but at the end of the day, once you've *made* your app, you have to tell your [average] users how to get your app onto *their* iPhone, so at some point in the chain of usage the average Mac user will have to deal with the command line, something they are not used to doing. We all might be 'fairly comfortable with sh' on /., but is your grandmother? (not that the average grandmother is going to go about wanting custom apps on her iPhone, but you get the idea - average users aren't nearly as 'comfortable with sh' as you think they should be, and telling them to 'get over it' is a great way to alienate your userbase.

Re:OT: Oh No! A command line - KILL IT!!! (2, Informative)

GotenXiao (863190) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274291)

The reason you don't get those patronising predicates in Windows articles is because you can't do anything in the CLI on Windows. It's mostly for decoration, or possibly finding out your IP.

iPhone == gayPhone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272405)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself.

I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Dear Father Randy O'Day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272495)

Dear Father O'Day,

Thanks for your letter. Being Catholic myself, I know exactly what you're talking about! It has always been our plan here at Apple Computer Inc to revolutionize personal computing with our high-quality and highly gay products.

I'm happy to answer your letter by letting you know that YES we will be releasing an entire hLife ("homo-life") software line. You'll be able to recognize it in stores by the small stylized logo depicting a large cock entering a tight anus with an Apple logo on it. ("Suddenly it all comes together" indeed!).

Anyway, I hope you and other members of our community will join us on our mission, and purchase the exciting new hLife boxed set. Only the boxed set comes with translucent cock rings!

Sincerely,

Harry Rodman
Vice-president
Homosexual Liaison Services
Apple Computer, Inc.

No point in the end (2, Interesting)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272543)

So you install a couple apps to stick it to the man. It's fun for about a week and then you have a fragility problem. Apple clearly isn't supporting this. Any updates/changes Apple makes will most probably wipe out anything you've modified, forcing you to re-liberate the phone and re-install your apps again not to speak of being able to restore your lost data (the equivalent of your apps/data disappearing when the battery drains).

Apple doesn't want anyone playing in their sand box, so let them play alone.

Re:No point in the end (3, Insightful)

Zorque (894011) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273199)

Actually, their latest update didn't do a thing about people's unlocked and otherwise hacked phones. Maybe in the future we'll see that, but Apple never did anything about iPod Linux either (Nevermind that iPL wasn't really a runaway success or anything).

Autoinstaller (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272603)

When someone figures out how to package these apps in an installer that can be just "clicked" (or tapped, or slid... what exactly is the operative gesture on an iPhone?), the iPhone will finally arrive as a platform, not just a product.

Your wish is their command (2, Informative)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 6 years ago | (#20272939)

There already exists an Installer.app that does exactly this.

Expect something much better coming soon that will blow that away as well.

Re:Autoinstaller (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274049)

"clicked" (or tapped, or slid... what exactly is the operative gesture on an iPhone?)
Sync'd.

The iPhone is a piece of shit, and so is your face (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20272821)

Slashvertisements? (0, Troll)

Epsillon (608775) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273061)

OK, getting really tired of seeing these iBleedingPhone articles now [1]. Since the overpriced hunk o' junk came out, it's been iPhone this and iPhone that ad nauseum. It's expensive [gizmodo.com] , locks you into a single provider [myitablet.com] , proprietary [eweek.com] , expensive to maintain [tuaw.com] clunky [yahoo.com] and only superficially superior [pcmag.com] (ooooh, shiny!). In short, all the things that /.ers usually rally against. Am I missing some point, or is Apple just darling du jour?

Odd disparity of interest there, Slashdot. I'm trying to understand, I really am, but I really can't see any moral or technical advantages of owning one of these things.

[1] Yes, I can ignore them. Nobody has a gun to my head. I wonder if AdBlock Plus can filter on "shiny gimmick for tossers with more money than sense" or will I then be branded a "thief" for not reading them? It's akin to The Goog being everyone's darling even though they have more information on folks than the NSA. The world's gone mad, I tell you!

Re:Slashvertisements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20273173)

I wholeheartidly agree with you.
As for The Goog, google is merely popular, because "google it!" sounds better than "yahoo it!", "alltheweb it!", "msn it!", etc..

Re:Slashvertisements? (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273251)

Oh you're just in a bad mood. You need to go to an Apple store and have one of the employees implant a Reality Distortion Field in your head. You'll be much happier and you will look forward to the next iPhone article. Take your credit card and leave the tin foil at home.

Re:Slashvertisements? (1)

Epsillon (608775) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273825)

Oh you're just in a bad mood.
Dammit, nailed me. It's Saturday, I have a boat that needs a top coat of paint going on (prep's done) and it's raining. I wouldn't be bitching about frivolities like what's on Slashdot if I could actually get some damned work done ;-)

Re:Slashvertisements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20273581)

You just sound maliciously jealous of said "tossers with more money than sense".

Re:Slashvertisements? (4, Insightful)

jamrock (863246) | more than 6 years ago | (#20273703)

Am I missing some point, or is Apple just darling du jour?

Yes, you're missing the point [slashdot.org] , you and everyone else who fails to realize that it's not the feature list, it's the interface. And please don't talk to me about open alternatives; the average consumer doesn't care. Joe Sixpack only wants something that will work without fuss and look good doing it.

Ten years ago, I would have been all hot for something I could poke around and mess with. These days, I have different hobbies and greater demands on my time. I've become extremely miserly with my free time because I want to spend every possible second of it with my kids; they're teenagers now, and all three will be off to college over the course of the next three years. My priorities have changed, and I have neither the time nor inclination to spend hours digging into the guts of a machine or wading through configuration files. It is for this reason that I simply can't be bothered with Linux. I'm Mac user and I have nothing whatsoever against Linux; in fact I admire Linux and the Linux community, and I'm rooting for FOSS in general, so don't think that my personal decision not to use Linux is a rejection of Linux or open software. But when I weigh the time I would have to spend configuring everything to my satisfaction, including finding/testing/learning replacement software, against time I could be spending with my sons and daughter, there's no contest.

I should point out that I apply the same test to pretty much every single thing in the same fashion before deciding whether to embark on it: Is it worth the time away from my children? If I find an alternative that will produce the same result, with less demands on my time, then usually that's the path I take. With regard to operating systems, moral* and technical concerns aside, Linux and Windows both fail to meet that all-important criterion as far as I'm concerned.

* What exactly does "moral advantage" mean anyway, when used in a discussion of technology? How can an inanimate object be immoral? It's the use of that object that is moral or not. Is the iPhone somehow less "moral" than the computer I presume you're using? Does loading Linux on it make it somehow morally superior to a Mac or Windows machine, even if it was produced by a manufacturer with an extremely poor environmental record? If you're so concerned about the immoral nature of a product manufactured by a company that *gasp* doesn't hew to your party line, then how in the name of Christ do you even get through the day without using transportation manufactured by a greedy automaker and fueled by nature-raping oil companies; eating a meal of recombinant DNA patented by monstrous agribusinesses; wearing clothes and shoes bearing the fingerprints of Asian sweatshop workers; and -shocker!- using an evil, soul-sucking ISP to connect to the Internet so you can post your drivel to Slashdot? And if you think that your lifestyle and choices somehow insulates you from contact with "immoral" technology, then you're delusional. Like a right-wing politician seeking re-election, people who preach morality tend to do so out of convenience. Grow up.

Re:Slashvertisements? (2, Insightful)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274641)

Ten years ago, I would have been all hot for something I could poke around and mess with. These days, I have different hobbies and greater demands on my time.

Welcome to middle age, dude. But be careful whom and what you sell out to.

It still matters. Just might not seem like it for awhile.

Re:Slashvertisements? (1)

jamrock (863246) | more than 6 years ago | (#20275799)

Welcome to middle age, dude. But be careful whom and what you sell out to. It still matters. Just might not seem like it for awhile.

Very well said, and I do agree with you. Yes, it does matter. I do think that we have a moral obligation to not only do no harm, but to also encourage others to be mindful that our actions and choices may harm others. That being said, we are so overwhelmed by goods, services, and information in modern industrialized societies that it's becoming more and more difficult to navigate a "moral" path among them. How do we make informed decisions if we can't trust the information (commercials etc)? Given the difficulty of thoroughly investigating each potential choice, are we then simply forced to choose and hope we made a moral decision? Is there a karma scale which allows us to offset an immoral decision with a moral one? As I asked in my original post, does installing an OS with a "moral advantage" offset the use of a pollutant-filled machine? Does the person to whom I replied investigate the history and record of each manufacturer before choosing the "morally superior" one, or like any self-respecting geek, he just goes for the sweetest rig he can find?

The point I'm laboring to make is that we are faced with so many choices that trying make a deliberate judgment about the morality of each and every single one would paralyze us. Obviously, some choices are no-brainers to the non-sociopath (felonies etc), but many are quite morally ambiguous. It really is a grayscale, not black-and-white, world. But I'm also certain that I told you nothing you didn't already know.

Re:Slashvertisements? (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20276087)

Yes, you're missing the point, you and everyone else who fails to realize that it's not the feature list, it's the interface.
  • You can get a command line interface elsewhere with less troubles.
  • Having a human interface that you can easily smudge, dirty and scratch from little use is not a good interface.
  • Many people use their phones without looking at the device to push buttons, there is no way to 'feel' buttons on a iPhone todo this.
  • Had Nokia, Sony, Phillips, Ericson etc. made the exact same phone under their brand name, it would never of got the recognition the iPhone got.


Re:Slashvertisements? (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20274609)

You are currently on apple.slashdot.org. It's not the same thing at all as slashdot.org.

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WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'active_plugins' LIMIT 1

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WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'category_base' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'template' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] INSERT INTO wp_options (option_name, option_value, option_description, autoload) VALUES ('template', 'default', '', 'yes')

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'stylesheet' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] INSERT INTO wp_options (option_name, option_value, option_description, autoload) VALUES ('stylesheet', 'default', '', 'yes')

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'widget_text' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'widget_rss' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'sidebars_widgets' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'use_smilies' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'cron' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'rewrite_rules' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'html_type' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'blog_charset' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'show_on_front' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'posts_per_page' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'gmt_offset' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS wp_posts.* FROM wp_posts WHERE 1=1 AND (post_type = 'post' AND (post_status = 'publish')) ORDER BY post_date DESC LIMIT 0, 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT FOUND_ROWS()

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'gzipcompression' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'blog_public' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'kubrick_header_image' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'kubrick_header_color' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'kubrick_header_display' LIMIT 1

WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'blogdescription' LIMIT 1
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            WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] INSERT INTO wp_options (option_name, option_value, option_description, autoload) VALUES ('sidebars_widgets', 'a:1:{s:13:\"array_version\";i:3;}', '', 'yes')
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            WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'date_format' LIMIT 1

            WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT * FROM wp_posts WHERE (post_type = 'page' AND post_status = 'publish') ORDER BY menu_order, post_title ASC
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            Archives

                        WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT DISTINCT YEAR(post_date) AS `year`, MONTH(post_date) AS `month`, count(ID) as posts FROM wp_posts WHERE post_type = 'post' AND post_status = 'publish' GROUP BY YEAR(post_date), MONTH(post_date) ORDER BY post_date DESC

            WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT * FROM wp_categories

            WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT * FROM wp_categories WHERE cat_ID > 0 ORDER BY cat_name ASC
        *
            Categories
                    o No categories

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            Meta

                        WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = 'users_can_register' LIMIT 1
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