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Subdermal Implant Can Be Tracked via GPS

michael posted more than 14 years ago | from the it's-ten-PM-do-you-know-where-your-children-are? dept.

Technology 257

mack knife writes "Applied Digital Solutions, Inc., received a patent for a device which can be implanted under the skin and powered by biomechanical energy. The device, a transceiver, can be tracked through GPS. God help us all. Yahoo story here." Or see the company's page. If your kid gets lost at MouseWorldtm, no need to use the park's PA system and annoy everyone by paging him - just whip out the GPS transceiver and home in on him. Maybe we can start implanting them at birth.

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666 (1)

fR0993R-on-Atari-520 (60152) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459969)

Any theories on what 666 is supposed to be?


Didn't Arthur C. Clarke think of this??? (1)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459970)

I could swear he wrote a story of such a chip that is **VOLUNTARLY** applied. However, once you have the chip, it is illegal to have it removed.

So, in the story, a criminal convinces a kid not to have such a chip implanted, for him to use the kid several years later to perpetrate a "perfect crime", thanks to the kid's "unusual" untraceability...
-- ----------------------------------------------
Vive le logiciel... Libre!!!

... if you want tyranny (1)

fR0993R-on-Atari-520 (60152) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459971)

The more power wielded (sp?) by those that govern, the more likely it will be that corrupt peolpe will seek to govern.

Will it work for everybody ? (1)

koh (124962) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459992)

Letting alone all paranoia and privacy issues, will those little implants work for everyone ? I mean, as soon as one speaks about implanting something in the human body, one quickly realizes that it doesn't work with some people... Will there be rejections ? Could this be dangerous (or even lethal) to some individuals ?

Just imagine you have your grandmother "implanted" (bah I hate this word) and instead of helping you know where she is it kills her in 3 days ?

Yeah, this was a bit exagerated... I'm not convinced by this thing, anyway.

Just my $2E-2

Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (2)

nevets (39138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459993)

I think this type of technology can have some very valuable uses if used properly.

This is your key statement. Unfortunately, as human history has shown, we never use things properly. Well we start doing so, but then someone takes advantage of it, and everyone else sees that they need to, otherwise they will be left behind in the dust. The same goes with patents themselves. They started as a good thing because they were used properly. But then companies saw that they could use them for a greater advantage, and other companies followed because of the fear of what could happen if they don't.

Implanting chips should be thought out in every way, and debated thoroughly. I personally don't like this idea, but I do have to say, my stock broker talked me into buying 100 shares of this company last week. So I have mixed emotions about this ;)

Steven Rostedt

Re:Not a good thing at all!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1459994)

You can't see a situation that this could be good? Really?

How about car crime? Say a couple of kids steal a car and go off joy-riding. The police see them and give chase. A long and dangerous persuit ensues. The lives of the kids, police, and anyone else around is endangered. If they were tagged the police just log the tag numbers and leave them to drive off. The kids know that they WILL be prosecuted, and there isn't a hope in hell of them getting away. So there isn't a long and dangerous chase.

What about wrongful prosecution? "Where were you on the night of the 14th" type thing. People have been arrested and put in prison, but if they could have proven where they were (history logs from the tags) they wouldn't even have been arrested.

So, you don't think stopping a single innocent man from going to prison is worth being tagged do you not? Okay, so the system could be open to abuse, but it does have possibilities. Think about what it could mean for others, not just yourself.


Its in Revelations, people!! (1)

deltavivis (26381) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459995)

Unless someone can give me conclusive proof that this device was constructed under direct instructions from the anti-christ to be implanted in our head or hands to control whether we can buy or sell goods--no way am i getting one.

Without the satan angle its just some cheezy way for Big Brother to make sure i'm staying where i should, and nobody needs that kind of hassle.

one more thing. (2)

nevets (39138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459996)

I am also a parent of two very young children. And I could not see myself implanting them with chips, even though I would be devastated if they were ever taken. But the morality of implanting something does not seem to be the answer. I rather be extra careful with them. Its a major dilemma that I have yet been asked.

Look at it this way. Would you have been happy if your parents implanted something in you for this very reason?

Steven Rostedt

Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459997)

let me put in a word that this might not necessarily be a bad thing if used correctly...

I agree completly. However, looking at the US government's track record, I think it's pretty unlikely this will be used correctly.


It is for your own good! (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459998)

"It is for your own good!" Is a statment used by people to get them to trust you. I don't like needles - give me the 'blue pill'!

Any tool can be used for 'good' or for 'evil' - If you really want to fight it, then you could purchase stock in the company and vote not to, or you could find out how they are going to do the tracking and prove that the technology has problems. Personally - if they used them like the 'Tap-Coms' in Next-Generation I wouldn't mind it. Make it a meta-phone.

Were is Robin - In the closet at home.

But once they have it, then companies will track you everyplace you go.

Where is Robin?

In the Bathroom.

How long has Robin been in the Bathroom?

2 hours 10 minuets.

As the 'rescue' crew is called by the software to monitor movements [] and I loose my job...

Ratting 4 - Just blowing off steam. []

Now the only thing that is missing is the bionic camera - so we can watch you stuff grits down your pants.

Re:Mark of the Beast (1)

daveman_1 (62809) | more than 14 years ago | (#1459999)

Sounds to me like the perfect way for a smart hacker to physically assume someone else's identity. Sounds like the perfect way to commit crimes in the future. Maybe you could be the next victim...

Re:Not quite accurate (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460000)

So we could have a 'bullet' that is litterly going to track us down.

What was that movie with Tom Seleck that had the bullets that would lock on, and follow you?

Maybe we should check the infared tracking systems and check to see 'who does not' have one of the devices. I wonder who they would be?

Re:Crazy (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460001)

You must not read Sci-Fi. Anyone of the worlds that have been written about.

The rule of thumb is if you can imagine it then someone can create it.

Don't you like riding in a hand basket?

Mark of the Beast (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460009)

Sounds like we are well on the way to the Biblical Mark of the Beast.

Crazy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460012)

What's next? nanobots? quantum computers? dna computers? fuck! What's the world coming to?

Not necessarily a bad thing... (1)

DanPeng (90730) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460014)

Before anyone comes up with conspiracy theories as to how the government just might take these and implant them in everybody at birth so that they can track each and every citizen in real time as he journals over the globe (and into space when the GPS system is extended into space), learning exactly how he spends his time on an average day as a measure to fight against "crime" (which has been at a record low) while paying no regard to privacy, let me put in a word that this might not necessarily be a bad thing if used correctly...

Why didn't this appear on the top of the page? (0)

Jerom (96338) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460017)

Sorry, to be off-topic and all,
but why didn't this article "appear"
on the top of the page?

It just popped up on position number 3.

Anyone got an explanation?

Cracking opportunities... (1)

dr_labrat (15478) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460020)

Imagine a situation where a large proportion of individuals are actually tagged using this system.

To the extent that it is taken as proof of identity...

Masquerading as another person by manipulating the chip would be cool.

Also a decent sized EMP/microwave burst would effectively remove them from society as well!

Hmm... read the company page (1)

Dilbert_ (17488) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460022)

It can be activated either by the "wearer" or by a remote monitoring facility
I could think of a few situations where this would have benefits : downed pilots, or rescue workers, law enforcement personnel, elderly people, ... But then again, I don't like the 'remote monitoring facility' idea.

Never get lost! (1)

WinTired (125929) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460026)

Think of that: you carry a GPS along, a road map, and you will never get lost again!

Re:Why didn't this appear on the top of the page? (1)

dr_labrat (15478) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460028)

What you talkin' 'bout willis?

You'd expect it, wouldn't you? (3)

jw3 (99683) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460029)

Probably there will be a lot of comments on how bad is it for privacy, and what bad, bad things will follow - like, goverment control, "Big Brother is watching you" and so on. On the other hand, this had to happen, we all knew it - all the way long. Implants you can track, globally - this is not a new sf idea, and we all knew that the components are already available. Hence my question: is it only my impression, or could we have prepared us better for such a coup? Like, at least, informing the "broad" public that things like that are possible?

Personally, I think that the coming century will be The Century Of Lost Privacy. Everyone easily accessible, everyone online, everyone with a handy and a PID, you give someone a handshake and he hacks into your PAN... no, not even that: you give your data automatically, because you are expected to, just as you are expected now to have a phone at home, so people from the office can reach you any time (no, I have no phone at home. But I spend most of my time in the lab anyway). Privacy will be a luxury, an expensive treat: like, you have to pay to have your phone removed from the telephone book, only more. What I'm saying here isn't a new prophecy: we are all expecting it, aren't we? So what can we do against it? Staing online when we want on one hand, but disconnecting from the global information system when we want.

It's clear for me that those implants will become extremly popular: the drawbacks are much weaker then the profits, and, what is probably more important, the *comfort*, the easieness of achieving certain goals. Say, most of the cases a kid is lost it's the parents who didn't pay attention as they should. Now - implanting this tracking device is much easier then being reasonable, isn't it? People are striving towards easy solutions, even if they are bad in the longterm. What is easier *now* is better.

I think I'm in a pessimistic mood today...



Re:666 (1)

connah (125251) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460031)

>Any theories on what 666 is supposed to be? Do you mean Biblically speaking or what it is in reference to Digital Angel? If Digital Angel, maybe nothing...yet. They have already said on their site that they are working on the User ID portion of the chip now. The common belief is that the User ID will either be prefixed with, suffixed with, or otherwise incorporate the number 666. I do agree with a previous comment on slashdot that we are "well on our way to to mark of the beast" however it is important to remember that Digital Angel isn't necessarily it. They could be the ones that introduce the technology, get society use to the idea, then some other company picks it up and runs with it. All IMHO.

They should give it to soldiers. (1)

E_Let (95623) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460032)

Forget us private citizens, why not give it to soldiers?

You have every single air force pilot, infantry grunt, what have you...sporting one of these tiny devices under his big ol' "24th MI BATILLON KICKS ASS" skull and eagle tattoo. This way, if he gets captured, Norman Schwartzsneeze can know the exact position of the POW camp or where ever it is "they" take captured US soldiers.

What if the enemy finds out about our country's little secret? What if Omar Obdell Rockmond reads slashdot? I'd hate to me a captured army man...I'm sure they'd perform a little exploaratory surgery...eeeeccchhh!!!

Next needed invention: (1)

Parsec (1702) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460033)

A consumer device to detect subdermal implants.

Teehee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460034)

Monitor the heart rate??? Yep, a couple is getting it on and down goes the door with medics running in. A new form of condom.

Good and bad (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460035)

Of course, to every technology, there's both a good and bad side. Yeah, save kids, but think of 3rd world countries. They'd possibly implant "criminals" with these chips, and the 'criminals' would never be able to escape. I'm thinking 1984 here.


Not to many parents on Slashdot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460036)

Obviously there aren't to many parents on Slashdot.

I am a parent...twice.

A parent's worse nightmare is the potential snatching of their children.

This sort of device would be great for young kids. Johnny gets snatched, a quick call to the appropriate folks, the cops get the bad guy and I get my kid back.

All of the weirdos who swap photos on alt.*.binaries would hate this, and thats a "good thing".

Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460037)

If you think Circumcision is bad how would you like to Loose the whole thing [] ?

Yes they take and do whatever they want to babies - including giving them Social Security numbers. By doing so they are the property of the state. Without one they can not take the child away from you when you ask if it weird to feel arousal when you nurse. Of course the state of Michigan was just protecting the child from sexual abuse when the mother was breast feeding.

Stupid but true tricks that mindless government does in the name of protecting you. And you wonder why the paranoids of /. are paranoid?

Ratting 4 - Just blowing off steam. []

Larry Niven did too (drifts offtopic a little) (1)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460038)

I don't know about ACC, but subdermal tracers feature prominently in some of Niven's work.

In his "Known Space" world, he wrote a seires of futuristic detective stories featuring Gil "The ARM" Hamilton.

The ARM, or Algamarated Regional Militia, is the Earth's future police/military, after the United Nations becomes the govergning body of the planet.

Anyway, one of the ARM's tools are subdermal tracer implants put in place by ARM agents without the subject's knowledge. These are used to track criminal suspects, possible kidnap victims, basically anyone the police would like to keep tabs on.

I think the method of application was an airgun from a distance or something, so having one implanted would feel like nothing more than an any little pin prick or inscet bite.

The Gil Hamilton stories take place in the relatively near future, 2050 or so. Many of them deal with the consequences of perfected rejection-free organ transplants, but before new organs can be cloned. Consequently, a trade in "organlegging" is established... people are kidnapped and broken up into spare parts for black-market transplant shops. Other social ramificationss are delt with too, as the death penalty is common for infractions we'd consider ridiculously minor. The reason? Demand for transplant organs, as the perferred execution is the organ banks. Also forget about preserving yourself cryonically... you'll wake up one piece at a time.

They're really fascinating stories that I highly recommend.


Re:666 (1)

orangesquid (79734) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460039)

Sorry for posting this on this thread, (this is something that should be kinda near the top, IMHO) but I wanted to point out that some people (all?) may be having trouble 'clicking on the image to enlarge' [on the company's website]
It seems it merely links to section #a of the page, which looks like it doesn't exist (nutscrape just points me to the very top of the page)
But anyway, what I was going to say is:
Is the URL for the enlarged image (the /news/img directory allows content listings (lucky for me))
Hope this helps some of you out there interested in the technical aspects.
[If this problem is happening to only me and the "click to enlarge" thing works for everyone else, I apologize for posting this message]

Re:help! (1)

connah (125251) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460040)

Daca nu taci ma din gura, sparg nasul. Si STIU nu vrei sa-ti sprag nasul! Sau vrei? Prentruca daca vrei, e nic-o problema... ;)

No No No.... (1)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460061)

>"It is for your own good!" Is a statment used by
>people to get them to trust you. I don't like
>needles - give me the 'blue pill'!

Take the *red* pill!!! You could be the one! All I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.

Sorry. I couldn't resist.


Re:Call me an optimist,... (3)

maelstrom (638) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460062)

...but I wouldn't care to have a chip implanted at birth. If for instance something were to happen to you, rescue-teams would find you more easily.

No offense, but people like you really frighten me. It really shouldn't take much to see that there is a great potential for abuse with a system like this. Imagine a system like this carried out forcefully on an entire population such as Communist China.

Even if you were a "good citizen", you could suddenly come under suspicion if the computers tracking you determined you came into contact with a dissident. Or perhaps you were loitering too long in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You can be assured that if the Chinese government had something like this after the Tiananmen Square massacre that every citizen determined to have spent too much time in the area would be suspected of harboring anti-government thought.

It is not a far stretch to see that this could be misused in other countries as well. In the United States, even with a pretty paranoid Constitution there have been massive abuses by the government. I certainly don't feel the entire government is out to "get" anybody, but it only takes a few corrupt individuals placed in the right position to abuse their power.

Do you feel it was right for the FBI to investigate and infiltrate the organization of Martin Luther King Jr., the civil rights leader? It happened. Ever read the Puzzle Palace? Check out Project SHAMROCK.

"In 1945, Project SHAMROCK was initiated to obtain copies of all telegraphic information exiting or entering the United States. With the full cooperation of RCA, ITT and Western Union (representing almost all of the telegraphic traffic in the US at the time), the NSA's predecessor and later the NSA itself were provided with daily microfilm copies of all incoming, outgoing and transiting telegraphs."


"When Johnson ordered CIA Director John McCone to use the DOD to analyse the growing college student protests against the Administration's policy towards Vietnam, two new units were set up to target anti-war protesters and organisations: Project RESISTANCE, which worked with college administrators, campus security and local police to identify anti-war activists and political dissidents; and Project MERRIMAC, which monitored any demonstrations being conducted in the Washington, DC, area. The CIA then began monitoring student activists and infiltrating anti-war organisations by working with local police departments to pull-off burglaries, illegal entries (black bag jobs), interrogations and electronic surveillance. After President Nixon came to office in 1969, all of these domestic surveillance activities were consolidated into Operation CHAOS."

http://www.i n_2.html []

These are just a few documented abuses of power that have occured in the recent past. Do you truly believe that abuses won't take place again?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."- The Papers of Ben Franklin

Re:666 (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460063)

Re:I wonder (2)

Scutter (18425) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460064)

Yes, you can and it's not very expensive. It works a little differently, though, in that you can't read it from a satellite. Animal Control or the Humane Society or your vet will have a handheld scanner that will pick up the trace from the implant when they pass it over the animal's shoulderblades (where the chip is implanted) and display its information. In that respect, it isn't much different than a dog tag. Dog tags and collars can come off, though.

Implant = bad, Tap-com = good (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460065)

If they get it cheap enough, then ever phone, every car, every TV, Stereo, computer, and pair of sunglasses could have one. Turn on a light - and it is powered.

Place them in your cat and you can find the cat anytime you want.

Place them in your child, and know that he was in the car doing the drive by.

Trust me it is for your own good! They always say that just before they stick you with the needle!

Ratting 4 - Just blowing off steam. []

'The Rainbow Cadenza' by J. Neil Schulman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460066)

This SF novel goes into the idea of implants that broadcast your location/identity at all times. One theme in this novel: in the future, criminals have their ID chip tagged so that they can be legally raped or sexually assaulted by any citizen. It's a rather grim book in a lot of places, but worth reading if you're interested in exploring some of the consequences of ID chips.

Re:They should give it to soldiers. (1)

RobinH (124750) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460067)

This sounds like a great idea! I hope that all American troops get this implant before 2010 when we (the Canadians) launch our invasion. That way, we don't even have to aim - just get one of those receiver doo-hickies, and our ammunition can home right in on the targets. :^)

This is even funnier than the Brits painting targets on their airplanes [] in WWI and WWII.

Re:'The Rainbow Cadenza' by J. Neil Schulman (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460068)

Now all they need is a small explosive implanted at the neo-cortex and instead of chasing the criminal.

Ratting 4 - Just blowing off steam. []

No Parents On Slashdot (1)

lcase (12448) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460069)

I am a parent and I frequent Slasdot. I think I fear me, my wife or my daughter being tracked by some government agency than my any of us being snatched by some *sicko*.

A little more erosion of personal privacy and freedom in the name of the greater public good. Sheesh! If they implant them at birth will you get the choice to say no? Could you possbly be black listed as a subversive if you refuse?

No thanks. I think I'll rely on prayer.

Re:Agreed, but one step further (2)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460070)

Getting phiolosophical here (and a little off topic):

What happens when these kinds of "privacy killing" devices are ubiquitous? How about when no implant is needed to track you? ("Kirk: He's the only vulcan on the whole ship, can't you get a lock on him?") Perhaps we will stop caring about privacy. We will succumb to the fact that all our knowledge is shareable, and we will not become quiet mice, but louder than ever. We will share our thoughts without fear of judgement or retribution. At that point, humanity will become more productive than ever before. How many geniuses sit silently without sharing their thoughts, for fear of becoming insane?

Perhaps that world isn't so bad after all. But for it to work, humanity must grow at the same rate as technology.

(Okay, this won't ACTUALLY happen, but its a nice thought)

Re:666 (2)

Dilbert_ (17488) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460091)

As far as I know, it is the numerical representation of the name Nero (the Roman Emperor), in Hebrew alphabet. Each letter also had a numerical value, and for Nero this gave 666. The author of the Apocalypse just wanted to bad-mouth the emperor without saying his name directly, but then again, IANAT (I am not a theologist).

Easy enough to fix... (2)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460092)

The bible tells us that the mark of the beast will be on the forehead or the right hand.

So, we just require everyone to have these things implanted in their LEFT hand!!!

Or their armpit, or bellybutton, or buttocks, or somewhere.

Then we'll be *perfectly* safe from the antichrist!


Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460093)

about 15years ago I heard some millionair talking about this type of implant. His main reason was that his children can not be kidnaped. I assume it's already patented and it would not surpeize me, if this device is standard umong the wealthy.

Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460094)

No, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but stop and think for a moment about a person who is being stalked by an ex-bf or former spouse. Now this person has been implanted with this tracking device, and said psycho-bf can find them easily wherever they are. Oh great. Makes it harder to "disappear" to protect yourself. Sure, parents would always know where their kids were, but with this information getting into the wrong hands, a lot of dangerous people would have an easy time "getting even."

GPS has to have line of sight. (1)

wikki (13091) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460095)

What if someone was locked in the trunk of a car or in a house. GPS uses satalites that require line of site to work. I've read a lot of articles about this kind of stuff and I don't really see it being anything more than vapor ware for atleast a few more years. But untill the technology that GPS uses is fundamentaly changed this isn't going to happen.

It's not the government we have to worry about. (3)

Nipok Nek (87328) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460096)

Here's the scenario that gives *ME* the willies.

(For purposes of this story, we are assuming that activating/locating this device is a trivial
issue, and not something the National Guard is called out for.)

Mother Careful, and Father Careful have Baby Careful. Mother and Father have heard all
about this new "Angel" thing from the hospital, and they say it's only $20 (They mention
it right after asking if they want him 'snipped' (Baby Careful is a Boy :) ) They feel that
this is, of course, a very sensible thing to do, as some mean person may wish to steal their
wonderful Baby. "Now we will always know where Baby is" crows Father Careful, and
promptly forgets all about it.

Mother Careful, however, doesn't forget.

For the first few years, it's more of a novelty, since Baby Careful is never more than a few
feet from Mother Careful. On Baby's 5th Birthday, Mother has the newer/later version
inserted into Baby which can last almost 20 years ("It's just a tiny slit, and it will heal in a
day or so", says Doctor Helpful) Father knows nothing of this, since he never takes Baby
to his appointments.

Baby Careful's Kindergarten class is interrupted one day, when Mother Careful comes
running in, to discover that the children had been moved to the other side of the building.
(The heat wasn't working in the classroom that day.) She gathers Baby up, and keeps him
home the rest of the week.

Baby Careful (Now Junior Careful) comes home after school, and waits for the questions.
"Yes" he answers, he didn't come right home, he stooped at Jimmy's House for a few
minutes, and then was at the Library. "Almost 45 minutes" Mother Careful corrects him.
"And you didn't go to the Library at all." Junior learns never to try and fool Mother again.

"Mother, I'm 17. I'm practically an Adult", retorts Junior. "I don't care. You were in her
Bedroom, and I told you I don't want my baby doing those kinds of things"

"I was not, I was downstairs in the Living Room, and the Kitchen the whole time. We
were studying, honest"

"Junior... you KNOW you can't lie to Mother. You were *upstairs* in her room for over
an hour. Mother knows everything her little Junior does. You aren't to see that little slut

"But Mother!!!" This time, his protest is weaker.

"Anyone here named Junior?" asks the bartender to the room, holding a telephone
receiver in the air. Junior hunches up a little more tightly over his drink, and ignores the

Nipok Nek

could be cool for us geographers (1)

GianfrancoZola (6069) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460097)

This is really intriguing, despite the multitude of evil uses it potentially has. Those aside, I just thought of cool things urban geographers and transportation planners could do with this--conduct better transportation surveys. As it stands, a lot of our spending on infrastructure like roads is tied to surveys that gauge the travel patterns of a small sample of people in a metro area on one carefully selected day of the year (I think it's a Wednesday in October...). This is taken to be representative of everyone's travel patterns. There are lots of better ways I can think of to conduct these surveys, but logistics and cost prevent them.

With this, we could potentially track willing participants that cut across demographic and economic categories. If there was enough computing power in the equation, we could arrive at more accurate descriptions of people's travel habits over the course of a week, or in different seasons.

Just a thought for other geographers out there like myself.

Biomechanical Energy, huh? (2)

hol (89786) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460098)

Kinda like those kinetic watches, and probably won't help you if you're dead...

Re:Not to many parents on Slashdot (2)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460099)

Until they cut off your kid's arm to get rid of the transmitter...

Or implant a bomb in him, and using the same technology, explode the bomb if he is removed from a certain area...

Or the police track Johnny's movements, wait for him to be alone (all from the comfort of a squad car across town), and then beat the crap out of him for associating with some group of "radicals" (like people who oppose the use of this technology without strong citizen oversight).

And you know, there are alt.binaries groups that used for things other than warez or pr0n. You sound like a politician.

Re:Mark of the Beast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460100)

This chips are implanted already in Europe. This is not new. The case I know personally is about 18 month ago and it is the case of a student receiving a heart-operation. The local authorities implanted the chip "for medical reasons" in the same operation and refuse to take it out again.

Be careful - Apocalypse progressing.

Re:It's not the government we have to worry about. (1)

Nipok Nek (87328) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460102)

Sorry, I didn't space that out right. Junior progresses through ages 12, 17, and 21 in the three different sections.

Nipok Nek

Re:Larry Niven did too (drifts offtopic a little) (1)

orcrist (16312) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460103)

Yes! Great stories.

Though, now I just realized a plot flaw. Why didn't the ARM agents have one implanted in themselves instead of only relying on the Psychic (forgot her name; Julie?) to find them?


Re:Never get lost! (1)

IAmATuringMachine! (62994) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460130)

Techniclly, if you had the GPS you would not need the chip because you would already know where you are. I think that the important thing about this is that "they" know where you are. It would be more of a call somebody on the phone and say "where am I?" type of thing. Just being an anal geek :)

You said it yourself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460131)

>So, you don't think stopping a single innocent >man from going to prison is worth being tagged do >you not? Okay, so the system could be open to >abuse,

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Are you considered a nuisance by the government? Bam, hired assassins come knocking on your door. The state knows your every movement; they know everything you do, every Internet site you visit. Ever seen "Enemy of the State"? In short, I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedom for any cause, no matter how noble

Hitler would love this technology (2)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460132)

I know that the abuse will take place.

I just don't know what to do about it.

If you protest, you are taged as a Communist which is ironic since the US has already adopted Communism [] . Carl Marx had an idea of what it would take for a country to be Commuist, and we seem to have followed his rules fairly well.

You don't even have to be protesting and the mentality [] of a police state [] will send me to the hospital.

Ratting 4 - Just blowing off steam. []

Re:Mark of the Beast (2)

Lonesmurf (88531) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460133)

Forgive me if I am being slightly brick-wallish (no, that's not a word.. sue me), but it seems like a very prudent call on the surgeon's part to not want to open your friend's heart back up and remove this chip. It *is* in his heart, right.. that's the way that you insinuated it to be. Invasive surgery like that is generally left to life threatening situations - something that i don't believe the chip qualifies as.

If it is in another part of his body (arm, thigh, hand, yada yada) then I think that it is disrespectful and unprofessional of the doctor to not remove it if the patient finds it disturbing.

The advantage (to recap another /.er's post), is that if anything happens to your friend, the medics have instant access to his ID and medical records like blood type and allergies. This would count as a good thing in my book.. and something that, given the choice, I would personally want.

Try and be a little more open minded.


Scan my 'ass' (2)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460134)

I want to complete a transaction - and they ask were my id is, and I present them with my ass!

Why it might be a bad thing (1)

mcmackme (128102) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460135)

I posted the following as AC before I set up an account: I can see how this device would have many benefits, but stop and think for a moment about a person who is being stalked by an ex-bf or former spouse. Now this stalking victim was implanted with this tracking device at birth, and said psycho-bf can find them easily wherever they are. Oh great. Makes it harder to "disappear" to protect yourself. Sure, parents would always know where their kids were, but with this information getting into the wrong hands, a lot of dangerous people would have an easy time "getting even."

Re:Why didn't this appear on the top of the page? (1)

Lonesmurf (88531) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460137)

simple: there were three stories submitted concurrently.. or almost concurrently. This one was slightly fast than the other two.

I am not gonna bother checking the times of the post, but this seems a pretty logical explanation to me. (Then again, I'm probably wrong, and should be flogged. :)


Re:Mark of the Beast (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460138)

All things can be good or evil. Depends on which end of the gun you are.

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New business opportunity (2)

phil (4362) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460140)

This is wonderful, I can now start a business selling aluminum foil hats to all my fellow Missourians who will shortly be emerging from their y2k survival huts, relieved they survived the apocolyps that didn't happen (again) but are now terrified that the government tracking satellites are *REAL*!

Re:Locking On... [-+-] (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460143)

You forget that 3/4 of the world's population lives in China. When 3/4 of the population has one it will be hard to stop!

Locking On... [-+-] (5)

lblack (124294) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460150)

I fear the posts that will follow after this. It's always a bit frightening when a technology that we've been familiarised with through distopian science fiction comes to the forefront in the real world.

These would be quite handy for zoologists, marine biologists and their ilk. It would allow for much more tracking than the current tagging systems do. It has few applications with human beings that do not violate civil liberties, however. As a result of this, the inevitable following posts regarding the tag of prisoners, infants at birth and immigrants will be off-base, at least in western democracies.

This is nothing more than a gateway technology that will make life easier for researchers. I very sincerely doubt that human implementation will be permitted unless specifically requested by the individual. As far as gateway tech goes, it isn't even very exciting -- what happened to the light-slower-than-light that seemed to open up so many possibilities?

Ah well.


Re:Why didn't this appear on the top of the page? (1)

WinTired (125929) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460151)

It *did* pop up in the middle of the page!

Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460152)

Sure why not. After all you can do any outragous thing you want to an infant and they can't stop you. Circumcision proves that.

Re:Locking On... [-+-] (1)

jw3 (99683) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460153)

For biologists, this technology has been used successfully since many years. Just as you say: tracking animals. It's just that it will become cheaper.



Re:Mark of the Beast (1)

Dilbert_ (17488) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460155)

I was thinking the same thing whenk reading the company page : one of the uses they saw for this technology was using it as identification for e-commerce (e.g. Is Citizen 681387 sitting in front of his computer right now, or is it just an 'Evil Hacker(TM)' who is ordering this stuff ?)

Doesn't it say in the Apocalypse somewhere that in order to be able to trade, one needs to be marked by the 'number of the beast' ? And does the name 'Digital Angel' sound funny in this context too ? Especially since Satan is supposed to be a (fallen) angel too, and 666 is a collection of digits...

Enough religious ranting already, I don't believe in any of that stuff anyway, but I just found this funny.

Call me an optimist,... (5)

Jerom (96338) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460156)

...but I wouldn't care to have a chip
implanted at birth. If for instance
something were to happen to you,
rescue-teams would find you more

Maybe they even could integrate
some info on the chip, like your
ID, some basic medical info (think
how usefull it would be if people
wouldn't have to check your bloodtype
after an accident before they can
start transfusing you some blood,
or to know what you are allergic for,
if you already had a shot against
tetanus etc...), your drivers-license
or even your credit-card.

Think about the telecom possibilities.
You could dial someone personal number,
and any phone close to him would just
ring, even if he's sitting in someone
elses office for the moment...
(I helped with the implementation of this
kind of system, but with infrared badges,
in a hospital)

BUT, of course, you should be able to
disable the chip if you wich to...

Just to much of a dreamer I guess


I wonder (2)

Zachary Kessin (1372) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460159)

If I can get one of these implanted in my cat. That way if he ever gets out we can find him. I can think of a lot of uses like that, for example if you implated it in cows it would make life much easer for rachers. Or you could use it to tag animals for wildlife studies. I'm not sure I would want them in people, but I think it would be very usefull for animals.

The patent (5)

Captain Zion (33522) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460160)

United States Patent 5,629,678: Personal tracking and recovery system

Apparatus for tracking and recovering humans utilizes an implantable transceiver incorporating a power supply and actuation system allowing the unit to remain implanted and functional for years without maintenance. The implanted transmitter may be remotely actuated, or actuated by the implantee. Power for the remote-activated receiver is generated electromechanically through the movement of body muscle. The device is small enough to be implanted in a child, facilitating use as a safeguard against kidnapping, and has a transmission range which also makes it suitable for wilderness sporting activities. A novel biological monitoring feature allows the device to be used to facilitate prompt medical dispatch in the event of heart attack or similar medical emergency. A novel sensation-feedback feature allows the implantee to control and actuate the device with certainty.


1. A transceiver device implantable in a human body comprising:

  • a triggerable radio frequency transmitter,
  • a power source for powering said transmitter,
  • triggering means for activating said transmitter,
  • receiver means allowing the detection of an externally generated information signal,
  • an antenna for effectively radiating RF energy from said transmitter to produce an identifiable RF signal for a period of time following activation by said trigger means,
  • said receiver means comprising an electromechanical device having a binary output, a digital decoder for detecting predetermined time-encoded information in the binary output of said electromechanical device and for providing an electrical trigger signal representative of the presence of such pre-determined information, and said trigger signal causing the activation of said transmitter.

5. The implantable device of claim 1, wherein said receiver means additionally comprises a sustainable power supply comprising means for picking up periodically available external energy without external electrical contact, storing said energy for use over time, such that the resultant stored energy is sufficient to power the receiver means with enough regularity to ensure proper detection of information on said incoming signal.


15. The transceiver of claim 1, further comprising sensory stimulus means for providing a noticeable stimulus to alert the human in whom the device is implanted that all or part of said externally generated information signal has been detected by said digital decoder.

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460163)

It's quite normal to inject radio tags into pigs.

Re:Why didn't this appear on the top of the page? (1)

dr_labrat (15478) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460165)

Sure it did.

Please slowly put the keyboard down and put your hands behind your desk...!

I agree this could be useful for the follwing... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460170)

1) Young children go missing all the time. Therefore tag kids. Stop them bunking off school too the little toe rags. 2) Convicted sex offenders can be monitored more easily. 3) traveling abroad, you could opt to have one of these if your travelling to a known war zone or trouble spot. If terry waite had one of these a rescue would have been possible. So before you go on about "big brother", there are a few benefits to this. And anyway do you think the governemt has the time to track all 4 billion people on the planet? If youve come to their attention then your doing something very odd indeed.... Brad

Re:Locking On... [-+-] (1)

cleancut (16625) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460171)

I very sincerely doubt that human implementation will be permitted unless specifically requested by the individual.

This is assuming that the government will be our friend in the future. If the government, in the future, becomes the enemy of law abiding citizens, this all changes.

[Music mode on]
...Big Brother is coming, to town.....
He knows when you are sleeping.
He knows when you're awake.
He knows if you've been "bad" or "good"...
[Music mode off]

Scary, eh?

This was done in a Star Trek episode (1)

SparkGapTransmitter (65562) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460172)

In the TOS episode "Patterns of Force" Kirk and Spock were injected with subdermal 'transponders' that were intended for a similar purpose.

Perverts find tracking device useful (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460173)

Implant in a baby - and some rich mother that has no tracking device sends out her private police. They walk into the place, and take the baby (leaving the transmitter). When the police come to investigate, they explain to the parents that they have been having this happen more and more often.

What you think is a protection to your child, could allow some pervert to track them.

Different senario - you have one implanted into you. A pervert finds out your ID. Now he can find you, and in the middle of the night, he comes into your place...

Sometimes it is the Government that you have to worry about, and sometimes it isn't. On second tought - even a 'Tap-Com' would be a bad idea.

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I can see it now.... (1)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460174)

We know where you go today...



Re:The patent (2)

freq (15128) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460175)

small enough to be implanted in a child, facilitating use as a safeguard against kidnapping

Why does every technology or legislation having great potential for limiting privacy and personal freedom "protect our children" ?

Re:Locking On... [-+-] (5)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460177)

If the US government becomes much more oppressive in the future, that's scary; but this technology doesn't really make it that much scarier.

There are lots of ways to track people, and this technology isn't revolutionary.

Don't focus on the tools; focus on the policies and the people. Condemning this technology because it can (and probably will) be misused is EXACTLY the same thing as blaming Columbine on Doom.

Re:Crackhead importunities... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460179)

A serious observation: The first people to have these will be "convicted criminals". Who else but a slave in chains, would put up with this sh*t?

Hacking into the tracker to change its codes, assumes that you will be able to spoof the digital signature on its program and settings. Not too likely.

Now, on to the obviously absurd obersvations, things that could NEVER happen HERE..

If you kill your tracker implant, you will be stopped and checked every time you walk down a city street. (The cameras register you but not your IFF ping...) After you fail to have your "faulty" unit repaired, they pick you up for thoughtcrime, convict you in the car on the way to the hospital, and install a new improved tracker. Your new tracker will contain a stun gun circuit, and an embedded code restricting you to your new ghetto home and your new employer's property. The labor contracts will probably be offered at public auction.

Other social benefits of this technology will probably include drug testing 24/7, and the addition of a polygraph component. Imagine a cop reding your vital signs and stress index on a heads-up display during a traffic stop; it would save police officers' lives, and that makes it a Good Thing. Imagine criminals being diagnosed and "cured" before they actually commit the violent crime that their profiles say they will. Crime prevention, rather than mere deterrence, is a Good Thing.

Of course I am just being silly. The American People would not stand for that; look at how well they have done so far, at holding their government to the legal obligations and restrictions in the Constitution. We have nothing to fear but what the TV tells us to fear.

Re:Locking On... [-+-] (1)

Felinoid (16872) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460181)

You forget that 3/4 of the world's population lives in China. When 3/4 of the population has one it will be hard to stop!
I sereously doupt anyone will folow China blindly into anything...
Thats presumming Chia even bothers with the technology and chances are pritty slim that they will.
Keepping in mind that for the moment China has the badguy label it's unlikely anyone would copy them for any reason.
Also it's not a difficult thing to protest... walk around to hack and back and drive the watchers nuts as they try and figure out what your up to. Don't DO anything just screw with there heads.

Having said that.. I'd like this technology for such things as tracking property... my computer.. car(if I had one) etc.. should they be stolen such a device would make retreval a great deal more likely.

Re:They should give it to soldiers. (1)

Migrant Programmer (19727) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460183)

I followed that link and got this nice message:

You are coming from: 36&threshold=1&commentsort=3&mode=thr ead&pid=51
This site is not authorized to use any content from our server!

Isn't that special.

Tracked by GPS, eh? (2)

jrobertray (86711) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460190)

Considering GPS is a receive-only system, saying something can be "tracked by GPS" doesn't make much sense. The GPS satellites transmit accurate time and orbital status information that receivers use to calculate your position.
This device is being called a "transceiver," so one could assume that it has a GPS receiver to figure out where it is, and a transmitter to broadcast that position to anyone who cares to listen.
Of course, to locate the device, a second GPS receiver would be needed to get a bearing from where you are to where the device is.

Anyway, this is just quibbling over semantics, and this device may be made moot in a few years, what with Congress eliminating funding for a civilian GPS [] .

The satellites have a limited lifespan, and the current system is likely to be replaced with newer, better, incompatible systems. "Planned obsolescence" and "implant" a bad combination make.
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Not a good thing at all!! (1)

diggman (127742) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460191)

implant them in everybody at birth so that they can track each and every citizen in real time as he journals over the globe

Like that would be a good thing? Isn't it bad enough now that the government tracks as much information on/about you as it does? And what is to keep you from removing or altering your implant? Oh yeah, I saw that on an episode of Star Trek.

learning exactly how he spends his time on an average day as a measure to fight against "crime"

This is almost the same argument that is used by uninformed, well-meaning folks proposing MORE gun control as a means to crime control.

while paying no regard to privacy

My privacy is so valuable that I am actually willing to take responsibility for my own well being. I don't need the government to give me any cradle-to-grave protection.

let me put in a word that this might not necessarily be a bad thing if used correctly

I fail to see ANY scenarios where this could be used without doing more harm to the individual than it does good.


Looks like investor fraude (3)

billsf (34378) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460192)

GPS is a passive system, that is you don't talk to it but only receive the signal. It would take THOUSANDS of time more power just to receive the signal from the microwave sattelite. Even if GPS is just part of the localising part; What range could be expected from the petty microwatt or two available? With virtually no antenna, it would have to operate at higher frequencies, not possible on the tiny power available. There are presently devices (for cattle, pigs, dogs, etc) that operate at a few cm and are powered by induction. At the very best, such devices may have
a range of a few metres.

Implants that communicate with low earth orbit sattelites appear to be strictly sci-fi. As for conventional implants, if you don't want it, destroy it with a relatively strong RF field. A GSM mobile phone may do but any university would have the equipment for a sure kill. I would prefer to look at this as a way to defraude suits with impressive language with no true technical content. Investment fraude - What's new?

Re:You'd expect it, wouldn't you? (3)

lblack (124294) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460193)

It does seem that privacy is growing harder and harder to attain. I've had to politely but firmly turn down company cellphones on a few occasions, and there's been a certain amount of incredulity at the other end.

Of course, that's almost an issue of personal space more than privacy. Privacy encompasses my sole right to myself and my thoughts, or at least it does so to me. That hasn't been affected too much. In fact, legislation is constantly being passed here (Eire) which limits the degree to which a company can pry into your personal life.

Corporate culture and privacy are two separate things. It's fine that they want me to be on call -- I did not permit this, as was allowed under my contract -- that's a corporate prerogative, and one I would probably attempt to exercise as a CEO. If, however, they had an extensive background check run on me prior to my hiring I would be offended.

The real privacy issue lies in the assemblage of data regarding your person and activities. GUIDs and what-have-you are the current crop of threats to an anonymous personal profile, not this sub-dermal device.

Sure, it may permit complex E-transactions at the shake of a hand. Sure, this poses a security risk. This, in turn, poses a privacy risk. But then, so does keeping a diary.

There are two contributors to privacy violation: personal information stores and access thereto. If the former is the simplest of census identities, the latter is meaningless. Unauthorised access to an information store can never be completely defeated, and so the only real option is to prevent profiling.

I'm getting too off-topic here, though. What I'm trying to say is that, yes, in this age of micro-devices we have more and more trouble finding space for ourselves, as our employers feel a need to call on us (I have no phone or internet at my home, and have actually had a taxi sent for me) when we are not in, engage us professionally in social situations and so forth. These are not invasions of privacy, though, and the issues should not be confused. We are growing more and more wired, and therefor more and more engrossed in a corporate culture -- generally the first point of introduction for these snazzy new devices. This is another step down that road, yes, and I don't like it.

But then, I don't carry a cell phone or a palm computer, nor do I maintain a telephone or internet access beyond my workplace. If personal space is an issue, you can make it. Don't accept the things foisted upon you.

The taxi sent returned to the office with a politely worded letter.


side-effects (1)

Brama (80257) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460194)

Imagine this GPS device is implantated in all humans. And your partner would get ahold of the
tracking device.

No more "Sorry honey, I was working late at the office" excuses!

If this implant has any effect, it's the major increase in divorces :)

Re:Crazy - not really. (2)

*borktheork* (123647) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460195)

This is just a minor extension of technology which has been in use for years. No big deal. Plugging it under the skin is novel, but was bound to happen sooner or later.

Now, before you start jumping, it isn't likely that the government will ever implant everyone with this. To start off with, most people don't do very interesting stuff and your physical location isn't really all that important in the Infotmation Age (tm). Ok, so it is to me, but that's another thing.

Also, it has many legitimate applications. Keeping track of your kids when going to large attractions, supermarkets, etc. You don't have to implant them, you can just hang one around their neck.

Or keeping track of elderly people with heart conditions and alzheimer. A combination monitor/tracer would be ideal for doctors and family members.

And, of course, all the usual about keeping track of your art work (like any competent thief wouldn't EMP it to hell...)

Whatever, I'm blathering again.

Not quite accurate (4)

Bruce Perens (3872) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460196)

Although GPS might be part of the system, you would not track one of these with a GPS receiver, nor can a GPS receiver be adapted to track other objects than itself on the ground. Their literature shows it being tracked by a network of base stations, and possibly repeating the satellite GPS signal on its own frequency.

Also, congress did not cut GPS funding, it cut funding for a modernization of the civilian GPS system in an incompatible way, adding new features. It's possible that DOD could decide to upgrade the defense GPS, the one we are now using, in an incompatible way, but unlikely (think of all the GPS owners in the U.S. calling their congress people).


Re:Why didn't this appear on the top of the page? (1)

*borktheork* (123647) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460197)

Umm, it did. It popped in after the USPS and Tax articles. I know. I still haven't slept.

The posting time is earlier, though. Maybe the clock was screwed?

in the name of convieniece (1)

hiroko (110942) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460198)

hey, give it a coupla generations and we'll all have them. I don't believe that the majority of the public cares about the big brother thing to the extent that they'll not use something that will save the tremendous effort of remembering some passwords, or whatever authenitcation systems digital angel is to replace.

Ah well, roll-on Chiba City - William Gibson - style

Lost Pets? (1)

Improv (2467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460219)

I dunno about humans (except.. maybe it would
be fitting for people convicted of violent crimes)
but I think it'd be really really useful to
implant into my pet cat so the next time he
manages to slip out the door (he's a housecat),
I don't end up spending 6+ hours looking for him
like I did a week ago.

I'm wishing I still wrote science fiction... (3)

bons (119581) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460220)

Well, no. Actually I like the money I'm making now as a programmer but that's besides the point.

What strikes me as enjoyable if the thought that I could plant this new device in my cat along with a number of those rice-sized bionic implants [] . All I would need then is a good remote control.

"The stupid cat's run off again kids. Bring him back."

Of course the story would have someone remote controlling an unwilling assassian, but people pay for things that make them fear.

PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS: WARNING:Do not write the above story or they WILL assume that you are going to take a gun and kill all the teachers. I am a professional. Do not attempt to do this at home without an adult's supervision.(Yeah, like there's any adults at home paying attention...)

help! (0)

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real-world results of tracking devices (2)

xeno (2667) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460222)

Funny you should mention it -- a large telecom company in Japan decided a while ago to take advantage of their cellular layout for tracking purposes, with an unpleasant backlash. (Since I got most of these details through the AT&T grapevine, the following information is worth what you paid for it.)

There are about 20 radios in the typical cellular location (cell). With digital technologies one can take those 20 analog channels and push 3-5 calls per, raising the call capacity. However it's often not enough. In dense areas, the cells are made smaller and smaller, by installing more antenna arrays (cells) with lower power. New York and Tokyo were the first locations to begin installing microcells on individual buildings, and then on floor ranges for those buildings.

Then some bright Japanese fellow (or woman) decided that it would be nifty if one could go to a website and type in a cellular number, and be told what Tokyo microcell the phone was in. The purpose was ostensibly for safety and business convenience. The effect, predictably imho, was that the site was frequented by not-so-pleased wives looking for their husbands who were "working late at the office" but were oddly reported as being on the XXth floor of a downtown hotel. Needless to say, this was pulled very quickly.

Re:I wonder (1)

Red Robin (120270) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460223)

So Cool!

Then you could tell where the UFO took it! ;)

Didn't I see that in a movie? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1460224)

Time to rent Demolition man?~~He was born in the Twentieth, before they started Lo-jackin people!
It's startin to look that way isn't it. Just seen a great piece on the discovery channel about this. It was called: Sci-Trek: No Place to Hide: Little Brother
BTW Just jump into an (or get close too) an MRI. Then we'll see how this thingy works. Remember Murphys Law is on our side!

also "City of Steel: Carrier" was good too!

Re:Not necessarily a bad thing... (1)

havock (42287) | more than 14 years ago | (#1460225)

I totally agree with you here. I think this type of technology can have some very valuable uses if used properly.

What you may ask can be valuable?

Well how about a parent implanting this chip in their young child. Everybody knows that it is a parents worst nightmare that something like abduction could happen to their child. This GPS chip could help authorities retrieve the child before any harm is done to them because they'll know exactly where to find them. And even on the very bad side of things, suppose the child was killed, at least the parents would be able to know this instead of never finding their child and wondering if he/she will ever show up again.

Of course there is the bad side of this technology but i'll leave that up to everybody else to argue about :)
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