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D2 Updates, Text Message Notifcation

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the stuff-to-play-with dept.

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A few quick notes on some recent code updates. The smaller function is that we've added text messaging stuff for phones. If you visit the messages page (you must be logged in) you can define your cell phone's email address, and get notifications sent to it. The more interesting update is for Discussion2 users (turn it on on any article page). There is an option now to restrict page sizes and you will retrieve comments by score. This means you can configure your Slashdot to return smaller, more bandwidth friendly pages that you can expand without loading fresh pages. Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.

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who cares...? (0, Troll)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292479)

you can define your cel [sic] phone's email address, and get notifications sent to it.

Does anyone actually care about their messages beyond "those things I let expire or occasionally delete"?

Re:who cares...? (2, Interesting)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292529)

I use slash messages to keep track of replies to my posts. ..so I can have something to reply back to and whore more mod points :)

Re:who cares...? (4, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292575)

Brian, this is your boss. You spend too much time on Slashdot as it is.

Texting in US is Ripoff (3, Interesting)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292485)

The other day my wireless provider sent me a text message saying "It currently costs $0.10 to receive text messages. Would you like to upgrade?" I mean, damn guys, thanks for the message, ya know?

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (4, Interesting)

ZombieWomble (893157) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292645)

This was something that intrigued me when I was talking with an American who was visitng - do you have some way to regulate how you receive texts/who you receive texts from? I can understand the rationale behind paying to receive a phone call (obviously, you can choose to reject the call if you don't want to pay the price). But over here at least, texts just arrive - doesn't this (theoretically) make it possible to bomb someone with vast amounts of texts and drive up their bills without them having a meaningful way to protect themselves?

I'm sure there's a simple solution to this somewhere which I'm overlooking, but having an aspect of a person's billing completely outside their control seems rather bizarre.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (3, Informative)

stinerman (812158) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292801)

With all carriers that I know of, there is no way to stop unwanted text messages, and yes, we have to pay for each one.

AFAIK, if there is a consistent pattern of abuse, you can call your carrier and they might make concessions. Similarly, the FCC and your state attorney general will be interested in text message spamming. I don't see how this would stop someone from outside the US from simply spamming the crap out of us. Similarly, I can just use the SMS option on most modern IM clients these days.

Yeah, the state of cell phone usage in general in the US is shit.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20292935)

I don't see how this would stop someone from outside the US from simply spamming the crap out of us. Similarly, I can just use the SMS option on most modern IM clients these days.
Most (all by now?) US carriers also provide a nice SMS email gateway [tech-recipes.com].

You can SMS-spam someone through the Internet, for free, with little danger of retaliation.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (0)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293301)

Heh, it's not just the US. I get SMS spam in the UK from the phone company. And yes, I have to pay for it.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (4, Informative)

smallfries (601545) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293361)

I've never seen a UK contract where you pay for incoming texts. Who are you with, and which tarrif are you on?

(So I know who not to change to next time)

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (3, Informative)

Skater (41976) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293461)

You can get them to put a block on (at least with Verizon). The only problem is that the sender never knows that you didn't receive the message.

Who are you people that pay for incoming messages? (2, Interesting)

coryking (104614) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294379)

I'm with AT&T (formerly Cingular) and I've never, ever paid for an incoming message. Ever. The lady uses Verizon and she too never, ever has paid for an incoming text message.

Really? What carrier does this?

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (1)

Oliver Defacszio (550941) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292911)

The carrier I use, Rogers in Canada, works thusly -- each text I send to another phone user is $0.10. Receiving a text from another human costs me nothing, but costs them. However, if I receive an automatic text from a web site or some other non-human, then I pay the $0.10. I have chosen to pay an additional few bucks for essentially unlimited outgoing texts (thus negating the sending cost), but it still costs me to receive Google calendar SMS reminders, etc (the non-human automated stuff).

So, in other words (and assuming that mine is like most other North American carriers) -- no, you can't "bomb" someone by texting them yourself, but you may be able to do it using one of those "send a text message" web sites or whatever, depending upon the recipient carrier's policy. I have to believe that there's some kind of checks in place for this.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (1)

DJStealth (103231) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294533)

I'm also on Rogers, I don't think I ever payed to receive computer texts, but now I have it just sending to my 416XXXXXXX@pcs.rogers.com address (which used to be free until 2 years ago, Rogers decided to put a 'spam filter' feature on it, that I needed to pay-per-message [by replying via text] or $5/month to bypass)

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (1)

BMonger (68213) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292955)

I've only ever been billed for outgoing text messages, never for incoming.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (1)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293051)

I believe with Sprint they let you know that you got a message, but you have to accept payment before you can view it. I haven't used it enough to know for sure.

Re:Texting in US is Ripoff (4, Funny)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294169)

Just for mentioning the phrases "American", "phone call", "pay the price", "bomb someone", "protect themselves", and "outside their control", you have been added to the Department of Fatherland Security watchlists. All of your finances, foreign or otherwise, will be monitored closely (in San Francisco) for any corroborating tendrils of threatening intent on your part.

"Sucker!" (4, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292491)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.

Ah yes, insulting your readership. I see that Slashdot's grasp of the finer points of customer relations remains as firm as ever...

Re:"Sucker!" (3, Interesting)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292531)

I just tried it again after finding it lacking a couple of months ago, and no, still no way to sort by score. So I guess I'll keep sucking the traditional interface for now.

Re:"Sucker!" (2, Informative)

rufo (126104) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292729)

I just tried it again after finding it lacking a couple of months ago, and no, still no way to sort by score. So I guess I'll keep sucking the traditional interface for now.
Huh? I just hit Prefs and there's an option for Highest Score First...

Re:"Sucker!" (2, Interesting)

jrumney (197329) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292849)

I have that ticked, it works on the traditional interface, and now that I've posted that complaint it seems to be working on this discussion. But on other discussions I see things like:

Score 3
Score 2
Score 4
Score 3
Score 4

So I'd assumed that it didn't apply to the new discussion system. Maybe what I'm seeing is a bug, but still, am I a "sucker" for not using an obviously buggy new comment system that is clearly marked as a test?

Re:"Sucker!" (2, Insightful)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293075)


Yeah, I agree with you. I have my display set to show comments +3 and above; because with karma bonuses and bad moderation, comments 2 and below are often a waste of breath. I want to read *all* the comments that have actually been moderated at least once upwards.

Can't do that with the new system. You can say "highest ranked comments get priority showing up on my screen", but that's not what I want. if a story has 40 +5 comments, I don't want to set it to only show me +5's inadvertently by switching to the new system's threshold. I want to see the +3's too.

~X

Re:"Sucker!" (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293239)

You can have the system ignore karma bonuses, if you're worried about them. Check your user preferences.

Re:"Sucker!" (4, Informative)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293143)

Pref is there, but it does nothing for me with D2, never has. Under d2, threads are always ordered by oldest first. Very annoying. This is the only thing that keeps me from using D2.

Re:"Sucker!" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20292535)

Question... is D2 the massively incompatable IE6 version? I'm afraid to turn it on again since I'm stuck with IE6 here at work and would like to have something to read during my coffee breaks! Assuming I'm correct, I love being slammed by /. for reasons outside of my control (and frankly, is caused by lazy programming on your part guys). I'm sure I'll get flamed pretty hard for this, so puttin on some AC goodness.

And don't give me the "IE6 is too old to be worth supporting crap", Microsoft tried the same thing with DX10 and Vista, and both of those arguments are as lame as it gets.

Re:"Sucker!" (1, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292587)

It only took a few minutes for you to lose 3 point (counting your karma bonus) to moderators misusing the flamebait and troll mods. You were expecting courtesy on Slashdot?

Re:"Sucker!" (1)

bentcd (690786) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292877)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.
Ah yes, insulting your readership. I see that Slashdot's grasp of the finer points of customer relations remains as firm as ever...
Slashdot is based on ad revenue. We, the readers, are the product(*) and the ad servers are the customers.

* - With the notable exception of subscribers.

Re:"Sucker!" (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293025)

If you are a subscriber then you are a customer. If you are not then you are just a user.

Re:"Sucker!" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20293033)

Taco is just baiting the real discussion here, which is this:

I'll run D2 when it works without javascript precisely because I'm not a sucker!

Re:"Sucker!" (1)

iago-vL (760581) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293691)

I'll run D2 when it works without javascript precisely because I'm not a sucker!

My thoughts exactly! I'm surprised nobody said it earlier.

Re:"Sucker!" (3, Funny)

nobodyman (90587) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294057)

Jeez, man, lighten up. I think he was just kidding around. Anyone thinking otherwise is a sucker.

Re:"Sucker!" (1)

hublan (197388) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294405)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.


Ah yes, insulting your readership. I see that Slashdot's grasp of the finer points of customer relations remains as firm as ever...

You'll get over it.

sucker? (4, Insightful)

IPFreely (47576) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292493)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.
or is stuck running IE. (Remember us, that lonely lost majority of the internet?)

Not an exclusive or, of course (4, Funny)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292545)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.

or is stuck running IE. (Remember us, that lonely lost majority of the internet?)
Obviously, that's not an exclusive or you're using there. One could argue that it's redundant. After all if B implies A, then asserting A is the same as asserting A or B. (Do not mod his post redundant, however. That's not what I mean. I'm just making a joke.)

Re:Not an exclusive or, of course (4, Funny)

asliarun (636603) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292581)

Obviously, that's not an exclusive or you're using there. One could argue that it's redundant. After all if B implies A, then asserting A is the same as asserting A or B. (Do not mod his post redundant, however. That's not what I mean. I'm just making a joke.)
Dude, let it go. GP was just trying to be a karma OR.

Re:sucker? (2, Informative)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292567)

Or use the Slashdotter Firefox Plugin [mozilla.org], which isn't compatible with D2. It's ability to hide threads I'm not interested in far outweighs any advantages of the new layout. I also like the reply (no more typing in <blockquote>) feature, and various AJAX features.

Re:sucker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20292661)

I also like the reply (no more typing in <blockquote>) feature, and various AJAX features.
You know that D2 has a 'quote' button which generates the blockquote (or actually just <quote>) for you? You know that D2 loads comments via AJAX?

Re:sucker? (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292831)

Actually, I'm using D2 on Firefox on WinXP and Ubuntu 7.04. I haven't noticed the quote button. Or any other buttons, for that matter.

Come to think of it, some nice icons in the text box would be nice.

Re:sucker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20292903)

Actually, I'm using D2 on Firefox on WinXP and Ubuntu 7.04. I haven't noticed the quote button.
Click "Reply to This". It's down there next to "Preview" and "Submit".

Re:sucker? (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292727)

Or use the Slashdotter Firefox Plugin [mozilla.org], which isn't compatible with D2. It's ability to hide threads I'm not interested in far outweighs any advantages of the new layout. I also like the reply (no more typing in <blockquote>) feature, and various AJAX features.

What do you mean, incompatible?

I seem to be running D2, and I have Slashdotter enabled...

Re:sucker? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293119)

Enabling it is one thing, actually working is another. It doesn't take a lot of change to the Slashdot HTML to break Slashdotter.

Re:sucker? (3, Interesting)

internewt (640704) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292865)

The ability to colapse a whole thread appeared on this slashdot 2.0 ajax interface thing for a while. It didn't seem to be the best implementation (IIRC), but it kinda worked.

Did you used to be a usenetter by any chance? Thats where I picked up a desire to be able to kill a whole thread. Laugh all you like, but I used to like Netscape 4's news reader, and like a lot of usenet clients it could ignore threads. If a thread turned into a flame fest (that you've seen before), or just wasn't interesting, OT etc., you could just ignore the whole thread, and new messages in that thread would be marked as read.

The ability to ignore a whole thread, or from a point downwards would be nice on slashdot. Once you've been here for a while you start to notice that a lot of discussions are very similar: they follow the same patterns of posts and ideas that have been talked about a million times. If whole threads could be ignored more easily by /. users, it might mean that mod points get used more towards the end of discussions (which often have insightful gems of comments that get overlooked because either a mod has run out of points by the time they get to the end of the page, or they've moved on to a newer article).

Re:sucker? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293171)

Did you used to be a usenetter by any chance? Thats where I picked up a desire to be able to kill a whole thread.
Indeed I was. Though my wanting to be able to collapse the parts of an info tree that I'm not interested in goes back to my using ThinkTank [outliners.com].

Re:sucker? (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292599)

or is stuck running IE. (Remember us, that lonely lost majority of the internet?)
Don't worry, I won't forget any zombie in my bot army.

Re:sucker? (1)

TREE (9562) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292769)

Some of us loyal long-term readers still use text mode browsers. (elinks) As long as you think about support for mobile browsers, keep us in mind, too. :)

Things I don't like (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20292559)

Things I don't like:
- the floating widget floats over other things. I want to put it in the left margin and it must not float up above the menu, but stay below the Services entries.
- there still is no way to "close" a thread or to easily skip to the next top-level thread. when someone (usually an early poster) posts some flamebait comment it is very difficult to find the next top-level comment. There should be a [+] entry in the title bar of each comment where one can close all replies to that comment.

Closing a thread (4, Informative)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292621)

there still is no way to "close" a thread or to easily skip to the next top-level thread. when someone (usually an early poster) posts some flamebait comment it is very difficult to find the next top-level comment. There should be a [+] entry in the title bar of each comment where one can close all replies to that comment.
There is a way: click on the title to close it and all replies to that comment. Click on it again to open it back up.

Re:Closing a thread (0)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293505)

there still is no way to "close" a thread or to easily skip to the next top-level thread. when someone (usually an early poster) posts some flamebait comment it is very difficult to find the next top-level comment. There should be a [+] entry in the title bar of each comment where one can close all replies to that comment.
There is a way: click on the title to close it and all replies to that comment. Click on it again to open it back up.
That closes a reply, not its (Score:-1) parent.

Re:Closing a thread (1)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293867)

That closes a reply, not its (Score:-1) parent.
That is done by clicking on the title of its (Score:-1) parent. I suppose I don't understand what you mean by "that".

Re:Closing a thread (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294369)

That is done by clicking on the title of its (Score:-1) parent.
The (Score:-1) parent does not appear at all on my machine. Or should I be browsing with the bar between "abbreviated" and "hidden" dragged down all the way?

Now I understand (1)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294479)

Or should I be browsing with the bar between "abbreviated" and "hidden" dragged down all the way?
Since I do that with the hidden (but not abbreviated), I was not aware of the problem. Now I see what you're talking about. You can't click on what isn't there, I suppose.

Re:Closing a thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20294641)

That is not very intuitive. Other systems use a box with a [-] or [+] to indicate an exploded/collapsed view.

Re:Things I don't like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20293275)

Just click that small [/] box in the top right to fix the location of the box, I think you'll have to do it a few times because it skips around the page to other locations it could be. Not exactly drag-and-drop eh?

Re:Things I don't like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20294279)

It can be moved to different locations, including a new one I see now for the first time: sticky at the top. I think I'll leave it there.
But I don't understand why it hovers over the menu when put in the left margin.

Mobile Browsing (2)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292571)

Is there a URL other than slashdot.org to use when browsing on a phone or handheld device? My phone doesn't seem to handle slashdot very well.

Re:Mobile Browsing (2, Informative)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292589)

go to "slashdot.org/palm" thats what I use on my Treo 680.

that works on my old blackberry (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292681)

however, it's kind a lame. "top 5 comments" is all you get

an updated version based on what is mentioned in the story above would be better

Plenty of other URLs (3, Funny)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292601)

You could try google.com, freerepublic.com, dailykos.com, etc. There are millions more to choose from! ;)

Re:Mobile Browsing (1)

bagofcrap (260283) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292715)

Create an account + Log in

Goto your preferences page, goto Homepage
Check Simple Design, Low Bandwidth, and No Icons

Not as good as before the site redesign, but still better than the default.

Unfortunately, D2 just doesn't really work for me. Even if they make D2 the default, I hope I can continue using D1 as my default with a settable preference.

First line of posts.... (1)

PadRacerExtreme (1006033) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292603)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.

Or anyone that doesn't want to always see the first line of troll posts (did I really need to read the first line of the troll about horses mating? I don't even want to post a link to it.....)

Someday soon (4, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292651)

I await the day soon when slashcode becomes sentient, and the first words out of its mouth will be

"Hallo Wurld"

as it still won't have spellcheck.

Re:Someday soon (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293109)

I hate server-side spell check. If you want spellcheck it should be the client that does it. That allows customization and control.

Re:Someday soon (2, Funny)

deniable (76198) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293661)

I thought it would be "First Post." I'm getting a disturbing image of a child raised by trolls.

Interesting assertion (4, Insightful)

Control Group (105494) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292677)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker

Sure am. Only a sucker would give in to the man, and not replace IE with Firefox on his company laptop. What a sucker.

I haven't complained about D2's not working in IE, because I recognize that it's IE's fault. I also recognize that IE will never change as long as everyone panders to its broken-ness, so I can even respect Slashdot's decision to not do so. I'll even continue to subscribe, despite not being able to use the New Shiny most of the time, because I think Slashdot's worth supporting.

But some of us aren't in a position where it's feasible to change our client, and cheap shots at our expense aren't particularly appreciated. If you don't want to put in the time and effort to make D2 work in IE because you don't want to perpetuate the use of broken standards on the client, that's great. But I'd really appreciate not being mocked in the process.

Thanks.

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292861)

I don't know if this is possible with Vista, but on WinXP I just unzip the Firefox application to a folder on my desktop and run a link from there. Certainly better (and less painful) than running IE.

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292899)

I think that "voluntarily" is implied in "Anyone still running D1 is a sucker", since one can not be forced to be a sucker. Since you are not running IE6/7 voluntarily, you are not a sucker according to this statement

However, more generally, I would agree with the admins that anyone in the /. audience who chooses to run IE knowing the problems is (if not necessarily a sucker) certainly being silly.

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293369)

This needs to stop. You're making an assumption about what the editor meant, a foolish thing to do. How about we do this in America from now on: let's take people for what they say, and stop going on and saying "well they implied so and so!!!" Its really irritating, and its destoryed our ability to debate.

(Permanent) Temporary Solution. (1)

t3mp357 (546471) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293081)

Only a sucker would give in to the man, and not replace IE with Firefox on his company laptop.

USB thumb drives are pretty cheap and getting cheaper. Wally World sells 32Meg sticks next to the M&M's

My suggestion is to simply acquire one of these wonderfully useful devices (if you don't already have one) and visit portableapps.com [portableapps.com]. There is a plethora of applications that you can install on your stick (including Firefox) and use on any machine into which you can plug it (including your company laptop).

Re:(Permanent) Temporary Solution. (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293295)

Suitably configured, Cisco Security Agent will prevent executables on removable media from executing.

That, and unapproved apps are generally forbidden by your average corporate IT policy whether they need be installed or not.

Re:(Permanent) Temporary Solution. (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293387)

Hmm, I guess you didn't consider that USB drives may be disabled on controlled computers? Or that even if the poster could do so, he may not want to because it violates company policy.

Re:(Permanent) Temporary Solution. (1)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293687)

You can also install it right onto your hard drive or in My Documents or wherever your company's laptop allows you to write to, if it restricts writing to Program Files or something like that.

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293093)

Ok, not trolling:

IE is faster, fully supported by Microsoft and has about the same amount of bugs as Firefox.

Make the point for me to switch and I'll do it.

I'll start a journal entry if anyone wants to reply.

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293223)

Firefox is slower and bloatier, IE6 isn't all that secure, IE7 isn't all that pretty, Safari for Windows is a piece of shit.

Opera all the way on Windows, frankly. :P

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293743)

Actually, I didn't list my preferences here, but Opera is currently my second browser.

I don't consider Safari for Windows to be usable yet.

Re:Interesting assertion (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294211)

I don't consider Safari for Windows to be usable yet.

TBH that's pretty much my thoughts (I just phrased them slightly less elegantly...) It's a nice idea but it needs a bit of work. On a family Windows box it's even slower than Firefox, whereas here on this Mac the reverse is true.

D2?! (3, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292687)

Uhhhggh!! This thing is horrible! What's with the emboldened headings? Comment previews gobbling up space. Re:? The entire page juddering about with every click.

No thanks. Call me a luddite, but I like my pages nice and static if you please. If I need to read a subcomment, I open it in a new tab.

Re:D2?! (2, Insightful)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292919)

I think D2 has really encouraged reading of subcomments. When I'm not logged in and defaulted to D1 I almost never read deep into a discussion because it's a pain and I lose my spot. I suspect mods on D1 do the same. So comments that make it to +3 will probably make it to +5 and those not visible will be stuck. D2 has reeeeeally helped the moderation system and I find comments more appropriately rated in general.

Re:D2?! (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292987)

Nested, -1 threshold. The only way to fly.

Re:D2?! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20293845)

Yup, great for those of us who still love unmoderated usenet. It's painful and I LIKE it that way.

Re:D2?! (1)

GrievousMistake (880829) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293859)

Treshold -1: Uncut and Raw
Highlight treshold -1: Uncut and Raw

Now it's just like nested, but without the annoying page splits. I find a highlight treshold of 1 works fine, with messages I previously would have hidden now just not 'highlighted'.

Re:D2?! (1)

GrievousMistake (880829) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294027)

I'm not sure how the comment previews are 'gobbling up space'. What else would you put there? Agreed that they may not be wanted by all, and might be done optional.
What currently annoys me about them is that I don't see any way of telling whether the preview is the whole comment. I end up expanding them just in case, only to find out that yes, that was just a one-liner. Other than that, this might make for a fine use of the karma adjustment for small posts.

Ah, the old vertical D2! (1)

bidule (173941) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292701)

Well, I reverted to D1 when you changed the thumb from vertical to horizontal. It took some time fiddling around until I realilzed what had happened.

Re:Ah, the old vertical D2! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20293017)

"thumb"? You mean the sliders you can use to set what you want to see? Click on the little button thing on the corner, that switches it from top to side.

"flat" d2? (2, Informative)

syrinx (106469) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292719)

Last I checked, D2 did not have the "flat" display mode. I want to load up all replies to an article and be able to read them without doing anything else. (I am still annoyed at the change several years ago when the maximum number of replies on a page was limited.)

Tried it (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292739)

Unless it's gotten less buggy or somehow better in other ways, I wasn't impressed with D2 at all. Maybe I'll give it another try. Then again my smartphone handles regular old slashdot fairly well via Opera.

D2 is great (2, Insightful)

rufo (126104) | more than 6 years ago | (#20292755)

It's not perfect (as evidenced by much of the biatching around here), but at least for the way I like to read /., it's a huge improvement over the old system.

Just wanted to be the odd person who actually comments when they like something, instead of only posting when it's broken.

You know what would be kewl is (2)

semifamous (231316) | more than 6 years ago | (#20293599)

Once all the bugs are worked out in this, the next cool thing would be a nifty ajaxish front page so that nobody ever has to hit "Refresh" anymore. Someone should code up some sort of ajax front page that gets the new stories as they're published. It would be cool if it also had the ability to expand the headline view into stories or collapse some stories that the user doesn't find interesting.

More for IE? (2)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294009)

I know you've said that IE is low priority [slashdot.org] for D2. I don't neccessarily agree, but I know as a web developer that making something cross-browser compatible can be a large pain.

Even so, I ask that a bone be thrown to us IE users- give an option so that our use of D1/D2 is based on our browser. At home I am strictly FireFox except for the smallest subset of sites, so D2 works fine and I use it all the time. At work I am forced into a vanilla IE6 install[1]; reading comments is fine, but if I want to make a comment myself or mod a post I have to log in and deal with the IE-broken D2. I have three options:

1) Log in, do what I want, log out to continue reading (like I'm doing now)
2) Set my profile to not use D2 when at work and turn it on again at home
3) Create an alternate log in to use only while at work (this would require syncing with this account)

All of these are rather annoying and I'd prefer not to deal with them. I imagine I'm not the only one with this problem. The idea I have is that you have three options in your account: no D2, always D2, and D2 based on Browser. For the final option, a quick check is done prior to loading to see if the browser is IE or not, then choose which discussion method to use based on that.

I'm not familiar with Slashcode, so I don't know how trivial it would be to implement, but it's a feature I could really use. It would also be a benefit for those who use other legacy browsers for whatever reason.

[1] Yes, I've tried stuff like Portable Firefox. I made the mistake of showing a page to supervisor while using it, and now they're constantly checking to see if I'm using it. Policies are very strict around here.

Re:More for IE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20294263)

Have you told your supervisors how goddamn stupid they are for using Internet Explorer, the most insecure and virus-prone browser ever, on their network?

Any IT department dumb enough to mandate IE needs to be replaced. No wonder I can't find a goddamn job, people are hiring idiots.

The death knell for D1 for sure (4, Funny)

sacrilicious (316896) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294317)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker.

To paraphrase: "D1. No chat. Uses more bandwidth than D2. Lame."

No thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20294383)

D2 can't sort comments by newest first even when set in preferences.

Pass.

Looks like shit (1, Flamebait)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294469)

Well, that's about enough D2 for me. Half-completed floaty thing in the left side, WTF is that?

Sorry, I write web code all day long, requirements are that it has to support IE6, IE7, and Firefox. It's a pain, but it's not actually hard. D2 is a piece of crap still.

And Slashcode is still written in PERL? RUfuckingKiddingMe?

D2.Visible=false; // Yuck!

d2 ignores sort prefs? (1)

MattW (97290) | more than 6 years ago | (#20294513)

Anyone still running D1 is a sucker

Or they like their sort pref to be respected? I must be missing the obvious. D2 ignores my preference to have highest rated comments first. How do I get D2 to change the sort order?
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