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AMD's "Black Box" Athlon 64 X2 6400+

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the back-in-black dept.

AMD 99

MojoKid writes "Rumors of a new high-end AMD Athlon 64 X2 chip circulated in July, but availability and specifics of the chip were unconfirmed at the time. Now AMD has officially taken the wraps off their new Athlon 64 X2 6400+, a 3.2GHz dual-core chipset to compete with Intel's Core 2 E6750 and E6850 series. HotHardware notes that the new 6400+ is still built on AMD's 90nm fab process and has a single 2-GHz HyperTransport link and 2 MB of on-chip L2 cache (1 MB per core), just like its predecessor the 6000+. The new processor is said to be a 'channel only' offering and will retail at $239 or so, in a black retail box (picture here) without a heatsink."

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Yes but (-1, Redundant)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303691)

Does it run Linux?

Re:Yes but (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303753)

I can only imagina that working in a beowulf cluster of these!

unless off course we are in soviet russia, where linux would us!

Re:Yes but (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20305111)

Thank you "Redundant -1" mod!

Thank you "Redundant -1" mod!

Max thermal power = 125 W (4, Funny)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303697)

I for one don't welcome our new global warming overlords.

Re:Max thermal power = 125 W (4, Insightful)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304253)

Even if the max thermal power is high, there might still be energy savings if the idle power consumption is low and/or if the processor can do more computing per Watt than the CPU it's displacing.

Re:Max thermal power = 125 W (2, Insightful)

Calinous (985536) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304565)

The increase in frequency comes with a bigger increase in power consumption - and the increase in performance is not linear with the increase in frequency.
      As for low idle power, why this would have lower idle power than a similar, lower rating (5000+ let's say) processor?

      This is not for the power efficient minded persons, but for bragging rights.

Re:Max thermal power = 125 W (1)

Wikkiwikki25 (1144049) | more than 7 years ago | (#20306735)

Just wait till I overclock it!!!!

Re:Max thermal power = 125 W (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20307547)

Just imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

This is all quite interesting, but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303719)


A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married - and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd - a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit.

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

Re:This is all quite interesting, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20312007)

That is by far the most disgusting troll post I've ever read here. You sir, win the prize.

Re:This is all quite interesting, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20317569)

This is just about the most horrible thing I've ever read. I'm... I'm... actually impressed.

Aint Much of a Deal (5, Informative)

ExE122 (954104) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303731)

Here's how some of the specs and prices (Intels from Pricewatch [pricewatch.com] ) compare:

E6750:
2.66Ghz
1.30V 4MB L2
1.33Ghz FSB
~$225


E6850:
3.00Ghz
1.35V 4MB L2
1.33Ghz FSB
~$300


6400+:
3.20Ghz
1.35V 2MB L2
2.00Ghz HT
~$240


From what I've read, the E6750 actually outperforms [custompc.co.uk] the E6850 since it ran cooler and with less power. So it doesn't look like AMD has a whole lot to offer given the price. Not to mention it doesn't come with a heatsink and fan, something you'd probably have to dish out another $20-50 for.

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303975)

Don't forget about the nice hot & expensive FB-DRAM that you need with Intel. The total system cost will be lower for AMD.

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (2, Insightful)

Calinous (985536) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304591)

If you need FB RAM for Intel, then on AMD's side you need Opteron, not Athlon.
      Fully Buffered DIMMs are only on the server platform (Xeon), not on consumer platform (Pentium/Core2Duo).

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20307865)

Parent is troll and grandpa is insightful?

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (2, Informative)

overkordbaever (1012257) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304071)

But who does actually use the boxed coolers? Well, maybe those who run semperons or similar but I do hardly believe that those who are buying that kind of processor will use the boxed cooler.

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (5, Insightful)

michrech (468134) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304785)

I was using the OEM cooler that came with my x2 5000+, until the fan died. Then I went out and purchased a CoolerMaster OEM style HSF to replace it (only difference was it had an 80mm fan installed instead of the 60 the OEM came with). It was $18 from a local computer store.

Keeps the CPU somewhere in the 30-45C range, and can barely be heard (the rest of the fans (all two of them!) are 120mm, and quite quiet. There is a variable speed 120mm fan in my PS as well (Thermaltake Modular 500w).

I think people who go out and buy gigantic, noisy-assed, obnoxious HSF's are just wasting their money.

But who does actually use the boxed coolers? Well, maybe those who run semperons or similar but I do hardly believe that those who are buying that kind of processor will use the boxed cooler.

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304843)

I used the boxed heatsink & fan that came with my 6750.
Other than being an AMD, what does this CPU offer anyway? I mean a 200MHz bump is not going to improve performance that much, and now AMD is where Intel was: hot. Heat is bad. I'll be the first to admit that I am in the Intel camp (have been since the 80386DX days), but as someone responsible to their customers I've recommended AMD as a viable alternative to many people. In this case I see no compelling reason to recommend it.
-nB

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (1)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 7 years ago | (#20306129)

I was using the stock cooler that came with my AMD Opteron 165 dual core CPU until recently, and was able to run overclocked to 2.4GHz without any problems. I used it for about a year. The stock cooler wasn't loud, but I wanted silence and so replaced it with a Zalman unit.

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (1)

mandark1967 (630856) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307263)

My Opteron 185 uses the stock Heatsink/Fan combo and temps are Low 30's C at 3055Mhz. The stockers aren't all that bad on the AMD side...

However, even at stock speed for my E6700, the Intel Heatsink/Fan combo couldn't keep the hi-temp alarms off. We're talking over 63C here...

I'm running my E6700 at 3350 with a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme now, which added another $70 to the total system price while my AMD purrs away at 3055Mhz with stock heatsink and lower temps

Yes I know the C2D is clocked higher, hence the temp difference. Point I'm making is that I could not get the STOCK 2.66Ghz out of my intel with factory heatsink while I can overclock pretty darned well on my AMD with stock heatsink.

That, in turn, refutes the poster above

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (1)

Hafnia (590482) | more than 7 years ago | (#20309253)

Why wouldn't they ?
In my experience the boxed cooler is always capable of keeping the CPU temp within spec at fairly high loads. The only reason for not using it would be noise - and in most modern PC's the graphics card will make to much noise for you to notice anyway.

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (1)

toddestan (632714) | more than 7 years ago | (#20313205)

I find they're handy to have around when the aftermarket cooler dies and you want to use your computer. Otherwise, I don't use them unless I'm building something cheap and noise isn't an issue (I don't overclock anymore).

XBox360 clocks 3.2 GHz and has 3 cores. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304539)

XBox360 has 3 cores of ppc64 ISA owned by M$.

32 KiB + 32 KiB + 32 KiB of independent L1 caches and 1 MiB of shared L2 cache

It clocks 3.2 GHz, higher or equal than any first elite Athlon64.

The biggest problems of XBox360:
* you cannot load linux code because XBox360 has protection, it only can load hw-encrypted binary code.
* there are many million of defectuouses xbox360es. Many of them indicate "Red Light Screen of Death!!!".
* there are mucho f*ck*d #$%&% to repair, arrive, send, ...
* xbox360 is bad designed, there are many warmest problems, many cooling problems, ...
* it's more expensive than any PC without TFT but cheaper than this Athlon64 core.
* the xbox360 destroys some original game disks.

B.Gates: 640,000 KiB is sufficient for every! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304839)

It has only 512 MiB of slow DDR400 RAM!!!

No 1 GiB, no 2 GiB, no 4 GiB, no 8 GiB, .. DDR-II 1066 RAM modules.

It has not keyboard. If you want it then you have to buy a "M$ keyboard?".

Loader's hw-encryption is PROHIBITED in France!!! Or can i violate it in France???

Re:Aint Much of a Deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20305681)

"So it doesn't look like AMD has a whole lot to offer given the price"

That's the last thing you want to say to a chip manufacturer; especially AMD. (And I don't say that because I own their stock (which I do.))

Other price points (2, Interesting)

Red_Foreman (877991) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303765)

That's actually a very competitive price point for AMD. A Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.67 Ghz is $559 (reference) [extremetech.com]

Personally, I'd love one of these processors - especially for a datacenter that I manage. I noticed a huge increase in throughput when we switched over our datacenter from Windows Server to Red Hat Enterprise (x86_64), and I'm not sure the memory starved Intel chips can keep up with the AMD HyperTransport architecture.

(Until Intel leap-frogs AMD, then AMD leap-frogs Intel, and we all benefit!)

Re:Other price points (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303845)

AMD has also just launched the Athlon 64 X2 5200+, which wasn't available at the time we tested these CPUs
That article's old as dirt! In the hardware sense anyway... Check your references.

Also, Intel offers their Extreme processors which blow HT out of the water in benchmarks. Those, however, actually are significantly more expensive.

Re:Other price points (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304971)

which blow HT out of the water

Typo? AMD's HyperTransport implementation is easily superior to the FSB on any available retail processor. The current Extreme parts are far better than, say, the Pentium 4 with Hyper-Threading, if that's the HT that you meant.

Re:Other price points (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304073)

Um...Intel chips have been beating AMD for over a year now in the performance arena. Where have you been?

Re:Other price points (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304291)

Where have you been? I was busy watching the Conroe (which became Core 2 Duo) destroy everything AMD had to offer.

Re:Other price points (1, Interesting)

Amiga Lover (708890) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304701)

I was busy watching the Conroe (which became Core 2 Duo) destroy everything AMD had to offer.

Remember that's only in synthetic benchmarks! Real world, AMD's memory bus still shreds anything intel has come up with except maybe their "Quad core" xeons, but even those are crippled by being two dual cores that choke their own buses! Despite the speed they run at, AMD is still king for real world.

Re:Other price points (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20306041)

Are you referring to "real world" consumer applications or server applications? Intel pretty much destroys AMD on all "real world" consumer apps too. Server apps, I'm not too familiar with. . .

If that were the case... (1)

Rix (54095) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307465)

People would adjust their benchmarks to reflect reality. Since they have not, you are wrong.

Re:If that were the case... (1)

lantastik (877247) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307947)

Seriously, what fanboi forums is that guy reading? I was a hardcore AMD enthusiast until Core 2 Duos were released and I saw the light. AMD is getting smacked around in the CPU and GPU market. They have spread themselves too thin perhaps.

They're in a lull (1)

Rix (54095) | more than 7 years ago | (#20314701)

Hopefully for us all (even those who'll never buy from them) they'll pull out of it. Not today, though.

Re:If that were the case... (1)

Bob-taro (996889) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307989)

If that were the case...People would adjust their benchmarks to reflect reality. Since they have not, you are wrong.
Look at Tom's Hardware [tomshardware.com] . They often test products against both "synthetic" benchmarks and "real" off-the-shelf programs. Over the years, I've noticed tests where a product will perform consistently better on the "synthetic" tests while another scores consistently better on the "real" ones. I wouldn't say that makes the benchmarks "wrong", it just means they may not always tell you which product would perform better on a specific program.

Re:Other price points (1)

cr0n (16126) | more than 7 years ago | (#20305679)

A Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.67 Ghz is $559 (reference)
September 12, 2006
Intel Core 2 Duo Vs. AMD X2 AM2--Top to Bottom

September 12, 2006

Re:Other price points (1)

Rix (54095) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307345)

No, it's $230 [ncix.com] (Canadian, so maybe a bit more expensive for Yanks with your weak dollar.)

Geez ... only 125W TDP? (4, Interesting)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303771)

What a bargain! Why didn't they just wait till 65nm? The same chip would probably fit in the 90W or less envelope at that size.

Personally, I'm happy with my E6600, which bangs along just fine at 2.4GHz and can easily outperform any Athlon at a similar speed [or at least match it].

Tom

Re:Geez ... only 125W TDP? (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304625)

AMD's 65nm processors are cheaper to produce and not as power hungry, but are not as fast as the 90nm counterparts.

Re:Geez ... only 125W TDP? (2, Informative)

Slaimus (697294) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304633)

AMD does not make 2x1MB cache 65nm chips, so the Opterons and higher end X2s are all 90nm.

The "Bright" Model (3, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303791)

Everyone knows that all the 3l337 users are holding out for AMD/Intel offerings that feature flashing LEDs!

BlackBox edition....phuuullease

Actually... (4, Funny)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304201)

I was holding out for a version that comes with interchangeable heatsink attachments.


A Hibachi Heatsink attachment for frying up some pork fried rice in the evenings.
A Space heater attachment as a fireplace replacement on those cold winter nights.
A blow dryer/curler attachment for the modern day multi tasking lady who needs to look sexy and code at the same time.
A heating pad attachment for the elderly developer whose bad back needs comfort after years of poor seating posture in WoW.....coding sessions.

Re:Actually... (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304939)

Green computing!

You could use it for camping. Run it outside via an extension cord and sit around the CPU warming your hands over it while singing "Kumbaya".

Re:Actually... (1)

cibyr (898667) | more than 7 years ago | (#20312981)

A Space heater attachment as a fireplace replacement on those cold winter nights.
I kept my college room warm last winter by running Distributed Climate Prediction on my boxen... it worked alarmingly well, and I loved the irony of warming my room by predicting global warming :D

You Just Don't Get It... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20307365)

...it's spelled '1337'.

Duh.

Re:You Just Don't Get It... (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 7 years ago | (#20308905)

Oh boy. 1337 = leet 31337 = eleet , do you not 5p34k4 d4 14n6u4g3. Left partly legible for the parent.

Re:You Just Don't Get It... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20311897)

The 'l' is said 'el' giving the form eleet. leet is correct. Gust chek my ID too now Im write.

Re:You Just Don't Get It... (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 7 years ago | (#20312229)

Actually most people say 'le' these days eliminating the e. I think my usage is more current but there is certainly room for debate here.

corepirate nazis now providing 'cloud' cover (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303795)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2002/06/13240.sht [indymedia.org] ml [indymedia.org]

we're watching right now as they spray phoney clouds over our city. yikes almighty. took some pictures of the 'trail', & the 'lovely' 'rainbow' around the sun.

it must not be that good for US or the whoreabull corepirate nazi execrable would be bragging about it.

see you there?

Speed bump? Yawn. (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303815)

So I'll still be limited by my Internet connection, HD, or video card, but my CPU core runs some smidgen faster than before? Yawn. Wake me when I get a 16-way on 1 die, or a 10 watt version of the slightly slower model.

quality of comments (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303833)

The quality of the comments on Engadget seems to foreshadow the future of Slashdot.

Taken the wraps off? (2, Informative)

Barny (103770) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303841)

Wtf? These [auspcmarket.com.au] have been available for about a week.... in Australia.

Maybe America is getting behind the times?

Re:Taken the wraps off? (4, Insightful)

ExE122 (954104) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303971)

Yeah, we like to test our products on Australians to make sure they're not harmful to Americans =P.

Seriously though, America always is behind in technology because there's a lot more red tape, restrictions, and beurocracy involved in American patents. I'm guessing 85% of it is so American lawyers and businessmen can get richer... the other 15% may indeed be for liability.

But if you really wanna see just how behind on the times we are, check out the cell phone technology in Japan or Singapore. I guess they don't have the Verizonopoly over there... They've had a wider range of way cooler phones for as long as I can remember. You usually don't see any of their newest features hit the American markets until at least 6 months later...

I guess that's also the case with computer processors.

Re:Taken the wraps off? (3, Interesting)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304845)

Supposedly the real reason isn't some conspiracy of lawyers and evil bureaucrats but that Americans aren't as eager to jump on the latest and greatest as they are in parts of Asia. Dense countries like Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan have a more flexible mom & pop system of small electronics stores and a population that is eager to dump the device they have for the flavor of the month. In the US you have much larger and less flexible chains that prefer products with proven potential and a population that prefers low prices over technical innovation so we hold onto them longer. Bleeding edge enthusiasts may dispute this (they are overrepresented on slashdot) but the population in general in the US follows this trend.

According to this article [msn.com] other reasons include our not using GSM as a standard system, our fragmented carrier market, and our low demand for text messaging and other functions that we can already do on PCs (i.e. web browse).

Re:Taken the wraps off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304945)

I think part of the reason why so much new tech is released outside the U.S. first is due to media over-reaction here in the States. If a NEW product is released and has even the slightest issue or problem, the media takes that and runs with it to no end. Usually equating it to that of 'the sky is falling'.

Even if the product or problem is discovered and fixed extremely fast, there is usually no follow up, other than on tech./enthusiast websites and news outlets that gives you most of the whole story. The MASS media doesn't care about such things. And since the negative has already been introduced into the public psyche, a product can be black-listed even before it reaches market.

Unfortunately, the U.S. has an advertising/new/fact mindset. The general populous tends to think what it hears and sees is true, when often enough, its either semi-true, false (dis-information ?), or the complete opposite.

And yes. I am an american.

Re:Taken the wraps off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20305023)

Yeah but in the US there are more controls for things like radio interference and stuff. Good luck if you're a radio amateur in countries like Japan where they don't give two shits if your amateur stuff works as long as the big companies can make and sell their phones.

Black edition? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303851)

it clearly says "Black Edition" on the box... maybe they mean it's optimized for videos like the Hunchblack of Blotre Blame.

Re:Black edition? (0, Troll)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304471)

No, but I hear it comes with 'spinners'. ;)

Re:Black edition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20313371)

oh, c'mon mods. Get a sense of humour. My black friends thought this was funny.

Oblig, with a twist (0, Redundant)

FoolsGold (1139759) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303865)

Yes, but does it run... AMIGA OS!?!?

Re:Oblig, with a twist (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304065)

Only if you use winuae or uae.

Re:Oblig, with a twist (1)

GreggBz (777373) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304481)

Approximately as fast as an A500 with the 1MB ram expansion.

Re:Oblig, with a twist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20307017)

Those things were awesome! I overclocked mine and squeezed an extra 100fps out of Lemmings.

will NOT retail for $239 (4, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#20303925)

$239 is at 1000 or more quantity. so it's wholesale pricing.

Newegg will probably retail it at $350 to $390 IF they buy a thousand of them. Most companies dont want to stock that much of a processor as the price drops so fat you are stuck with overpriced stock on hand.

About stocking things (4, Informative)

Shohat (959481) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304479)

I haven't dealt with processors, but I used to own an office supplies/electronics business, and ANYTHING I didn't sell, I simply notified the supplier, and got a full refund, either in merchandise or money (wire/cheque).
Same goes for most products for a restaurant I used to run. We would buy a lot of milk, and if we had any milk go bad due to low latte sales, we would get a full refund for any milk we didn't use, they would just take the bad milk back. I know this is not the case when dealing imported goods, but not all chips are imported, so maybe some merchants do get compensated for overstocking.

Re:About stocking things (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20305217)

that's far different from PC parts.

I buy 100 42" tv's at $1300.00 my cost. 10 days later the distributor drops the proce to $800.00 I dont get to send them back and get a credit of $1300.00 each. I get a credit at the price they are selling at.

No electronics distributors give you any buyback deals on parts or items. If the price drops 3 days after you buy it, then it sucks to be you.

that's why in electronics you MUST buy the minimum you think you will need and use JIT suppliers so that you never have more than a few of the volatile price items on hand.

That's the way it's done here. Gas stations are the same, if the price of wholesale gasoline drops $1.00 a gallon overnight, you cant get a supplier to reimburse you so you can sell your gas at the same price as the guy down the street that bought it at a lower rate. (although you are welcome to jack it up at a moments notice.

Re:About stocking things (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 7 years ago | (#20313673)

Actually, if you are dealing direct with intel or amd, and you buy enough (our chain has around 25 stores) they will buy them back and re-sell them to you.

Re:will NOT retail for $239 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304611)

q6600 in 1000 unit lots: 266 per piece. newegg's price: 289.

mod d own (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20303999)

tOhere a8e [goat.cx]

WithOUT a Heatsink? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304077)

The end of the article says "Without a heatsink", but look at size of the package - there's a heatsink in there.

Am I the only one? (1)

PJ1216 (1063738) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304091)

Am I the only one that thinks they hired the same people that did the packaging for the iPod? And beyond that, should a computer chip ever have to carry some strange slogan such as at "Black Edition"? Hopefully people wouldn't be looking at two different chips and then go, "Well, this is called 'Black Edition' so, its probably better." Maybe the average computer user would fall for that, but when it comes down to it, the average computer user rarely buys their own chip.

When's the U2 edition come out?

Re:Am I the only one? (4, Funny)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304247)

The Ramones Edition is really fast, but it can only process three instructions over and over.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

sakonofie (979872) | more than 7 years ago | (#20310225)

Instruction Set for The Ramones Edition
GO r - Unconditional jumps to the value stored in register r
IO x,r1,r2 - Performs memory IO. Reads from the memory location x and stores the result in register r1 and writes r2 to x
LETS r1,r2,r3 - Performs a Less or Equal to Signed comparison between r1 and r2 and stores a 1 in r3 if true and a 0 in r3 if false

The instructions for the program of a blitzkrieg of NOP goes like this:

IO LETS GO IO LETS GO IO LETS GO IO LETS GO




If you have read this far and you still don't get it, here you go [lyricsfreak.com] .

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | more than 7 years ago | (#20318203)

You left off the "1 2 3 4!"

Good thing Johnny wasn't a programmer. "0 1 2 3!" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304387)

The U2 edition will be revealed when we hear engineers at AMD counting to four in unison: "uno dos tres catorce".

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304667)

You are an idiot, if you thing if the box is black then Apple has something to do with it

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

PJ1216 (1063738) | more than 7 years ago | (#20304967)

you're an idiot if you think i meant that Apple had something to do with it.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Andrzej Sawicki (921100) | more than 7 years ago | (#20306645)

Am I the only one that thinks they hired the same people that did the packaging for the iPod? And beyond that, should a computer chip ever have to carry some strange slogan such as at "Black Edition"?
Intel's been doing this for years, and with good results. Finally AMD was squeezed enough to hire some real marketing people. Let's just hope they don't drop this when/if their products are back to being competitive, so they can again put some pressure on Intel (instead of being fscked by the Intel marketing dept, again).

90nm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304403)

I guess that's what they mean by "Black."

Perhaps this means when Penryn hits, once someone were to go black, they'd go running back to white?

Thats funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304483)

I've never heard of AMD not shipping with a heatsink retail. Perhaps an OEM chip with no heatsink, but retail always includes one. The packaging pictured in the link looks just like my Athlon 64 X2 6000+ packaging, only black. I believe some fact checking should be done before making foolish assumptions. Like they say assuming makes an ass out of u....

Re:Thats funny (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 7 years ago | (#20306505)

I think the only point in buying a retail box is that you get a fairly decent heatsink (oh, and a case sticker). I find Intel's heatsinks definitely worth the $15 difference between the OEM version and the retail, they're as good as Thermaltake and actually produce less noise and are easier to install. Unfortunately I've never seen a boxed AMD CPU :-(

Re:Thats funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20307609)

Where do you get your processors? If you've never seen a boxed AMD cpu my suggestion is to buy new parts. Not parts from EBay or from the box where the remnants of deceased computers end up. My X2 6000+ came IN THE BOX with a heatsink, which keeps my cpu at about 50 degrees Celsius under a full load.

Re:Thats funny (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 7 years ago | (#20308449)

I've seen them in shops, I just haven't assembled any AMD systems. And the boxes rarely show what the heatsink looks like, usually a huge logo and a transparent window to see the CPU.

Re:Thats funny (1)

toddestan (632714) | more than 7 years ago | (#20313351)

I've seen them in shops, I just haven't assembled any AMD systems. And the boxes rarely show what the heatsink looks like, usually a huge logo and a transparent window to see the CPU.

That's probably because they like to change the OEM coolers randomly. I remember building some Athlon XP systems with the same processor, but assembled at different times. I bought the retail chip each time, and all three times it came with a different heatsink! None of them were particularly quiet, and one of them was downright loud.

Once you go black... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304515)

you never go back!

um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20304687)

that picture link shows the retail box... which would contain a heatsink...

first benches != good (1)

MXPS (1091249) | more than 7 years ago | (#20305657)

as most have suspected, it more power consuming and underperforming against the e6750 and e6850 in almost every category.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/hwdb.php?tid=842214&tp=AM D-A64X2-6400&rid=842214/ [hkepc.com]

Re:first benches != good (1)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307475)

So it must have been some marketer who put that "B" on the front of the box: bLACK Edition!

At least... (1)

Treskin (555947) | more than 7 years ago | (#20306609)

At least this CPU will have something to wear to AMD's funeral. (I like AMD, but they need to step up their game!)

Re:At least... (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 7 years ago | (#20307655)

agreed. With their 90nM process, I can replace my gas furnace with this thing and save money!

It's nothing but a heatbox.

Re:At least... (1)

MXPS (1091249) | more than 7 years ago | (#20308789)

..and with their 65nm process they are having serious issues with voltage leaks, they need to get their act together and give Intel a run for their money. Because when the competition is fierce between the two, the consumer wins.

Every chip is not a chipset. (1)

JLennox (942693) | more than 7 years ago | (#20308461)

This seems to be happening more and more. People love to call chips, chipsets. It may have dual cores, but its two cores on a single chip. The north and south bridge are collectively called a chipset, and you could call multiple SATA/PATA controllers a chipset, but you can not call a processor a chipset.

Socket 393? (1)

Nicolay77 (258497) | more than 7 years ago | (#20309767)

I'm still angry at AMD because of the discontinuation of processors for the socket 939.

>.<

Re:Socket 393? (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 7 years ago | (#20313431)

I'm angry because AMD no longer sells 8088 processors for the socket DIP40.

Is that means another delay (1)

Delifisek (190943) | more than 7 years ago | (#20310529)

for upcoming Phenom line ?

Re:Is that means another delay (1)

psyclone (187154) | more than 7 years ago | (#20312335)

Agreed -- I want my quad core on one chip!

Kind of cool but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20314195)

For a similar price you can get a Q6600 (quad core intel 2.4ghz).

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