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The Mindset of the Class of 2029

CowboyNeal posted more than 6 years ago | from the looking-back-from-the-future dept.

Education 277

theodp writes "In response to Beloit College's 10th Annual Mindset List, which takes a stab at describing the worldview of the incoming Class of 2011 (grew up with bottled water; have always had the World Wide Web), Valleywag's Nick Douglas presages The Mindset of the Class of 2029 (have always been able to use a cell phone on a plane; 'Lord of the Rings' looks fake and the effects are laughable)."

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Um... (-1, Troll)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354171)

The Lord of the Rings films look fake and are laughable to me. They always have been, not to mention boringly cliche in every conceivable aspect. You'd think Peter Jackson could go back to doing good films like Dead Alive or even The Frighteners, not Tolkien's regurgitated footnotes and an abominable version of King Kong. I mean, really, what's next? Oh, I forgot, Halo. Yeah, that'll be great...

Not sure thats a good thing (5, Funny)

also-rr (980579) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354173)

The mindset of anyone who has had to sit on a plane for 9 hours listening to an inane cellphone call will not be healthy. The only hope of salvation is that by then your cellphone/camera/gps/projector/printer/mp8player/s extoy/flashlight/pda/radio convergence device will have a battery life of 3 seconds, and/or banned from the plane by the government to stop you pirating the in flight movie.

Re:Not sure thats a good thing (5, Funny)

Praedon (707326) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354235)

The only real hope for this mindset list, is that all of us will be in power by the time it rolls around. We must spread the word about Mario, 4chan, Mr. Rodgers, and Dick Chaney. We must also clone Robin Williams. We must also keep George Lucas around to digitally remaster Lord of the Rings. We also need to conspire against silicon valley in the future. The world can never forget!

Re:Not sure thats a good thing (2, Insightful)

Ayavaron (971110) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354685)

Something tells me that even if people forget about lolcats, 4chan will stick around. lolcats are just a meme like dozens before it. There'll be new memes and the evil forces of /b/ will continue masterminding them all.

I think Nintendo will be able to keep Mario around through endless ports of old games to new portable systems and new games. They intend to keep their best franchises around forever.

Sadly, all hope is already lost for "Chaney" and "Rodgers."

Re:Not sure thats a good thing (2, Insightful)

reeve (216640) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354833)

Spread the word?  About 4chan?  The mindset of a generation growing up on 4chan...  *shudder*

They won't actually talk on the plane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354247)

They'll be texting, or neural stimulation exchanging or whatever kids do in 20 years.

Re:They won't actually talk on the plane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354283)

neural stimulation exchanging

you mean they'll have sex?

Re:They won't actually talk on the plane (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354291)

Yes, just like in Demolition Man.

Teledildonics (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354287)

I'm more worried about all 16 yearolds having neural teledildonics controlled by their skull phones, video tatoos, and computers that are smarter than they are.

Re:Teledildonics (2, Funny)

Jaknet (944488) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354913)

Looking at some of todays teenagers I think you are a bit late with "worrying about computers that are smarter than they are." It's already here

Re:Teledildonics (1)

Iron Condor (964856) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354915)

I'm more worried about all 16 yearolds having [...] computers that are smarter than they are.

Most 16-year-olds already have computers that are smarter than they are. Heck, when I was 16 we had Atari-400s and I'm pretty sure most of us were less smart than that...

Re:Not sure thats a good thing (1)

DeadboltX (751907) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354901)

planes will only take 1 hour to get to the other side of the world in 2029, duh!

Re:Not sure thats a good thing (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355167)

The mindset of anyone who has had to sit on a plane for 9 hours...
Additional entry for the Mindset of the Class of 2029:
  • People have always had to sit on planes for about 9 hours. Before taking off.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/02/15/passengers.st randed/index.html [cnn.com] (8 hours)
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/01/trav el_nightmare.html [consumeraffairs.com] (9 hours)
http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/business/15ro ad.html [nytimes.com] (10 hours)

Cell phones on planes (2, Interesting)

RJBeery (956252) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355183)

Airlines don't allow cell phones on planes for a reason that most don't understand - it's about control of information. When the passengers of a plane are in danger they are frequently kept in the dark to avoid the ensuing panic, and that wouldn't be possible if they all got phone calls about their plane being on television.

As a side note, I asked a Southwest stewardess why they turn off the lights after dark, even when it's too early to sleep. She was real shifty in her response so I kept pressuring her. She finally admitted that it's so passengers' eyes are adjusted correctly so they could see while getting off the plane after an accident!

-R

They can't believe... (5, Funny)

DynaSoar (714234) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354183)

... that people were ever against euthanasia. If all those old people were ever to accumulate the hospital industry would collapse. Maybe that's why they called them "boomers".

Re:They can't believe... (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354887)

If all those old people were ever to accumulate the hospital industry would collapse.
Don't you mean, 'boom'?

I don't think LOTR will look fake (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354223)

Rather, I think they'll find it boring because it's not interactive.

They will be horrified... (5, Funny)

nebaz (453974) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354227)

That the government was so big and bloated before Emperor Bush dissolved the Senate.

Re:They will be horrified... (5, Insightful)

smchris (464899) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354381)

I was going to say the list obviously depends upon the selectors who do the selecting and it seems a bit negative this year. But you are right. It could be worse. There's already nobody under 30 who remembers a pre-Reagan world when government could do anything right like infrastructure or the space program.
 

Re:They will be horrified... (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354515)

You misspelled '....who remembers Tip O'neil. The ol' gravy-stained necktie bureaucratic bloat, and a time when the Union Bosses had Real Clout(tm)'

Re:They will be horrified... (5, Insightful)

Original Replica (908688) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354547)

"There's already nobody under 30 who remembers a pre-Reagan world "

So in another 50 years no one will ever remember having faith and pride in the US government? I'm 32 and I have never had any faith or positive feelings towards Congress. I faintly remember liking Reagan, but at the time I knew nothing of politics or policies, just that Regan gave good speeches. Outside of that I have never felt proud of our government, or had an elected leader that I actually wanted to follow. I have often felt pride in being American, when traveling overseas or helping with my small part of some charitable work, but that is pride in our culture not our leaders. It seems to me that the USSR collapsed not too long after the last generation to actually believe in it died. I fear if things continue the way they have been, the same will happen here.

add another one to the list (4, Insightful)

wwmedia (950346) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354239)

add another one to the list

Osama Bin Laden is still the boogey man

Re:add another one to the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354851)

I doubt it.

if i have kids.. (2, Funny)

jimbug (1119529) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354245)

They don't know what a LOLCat is or why it talks that way.
i will make sure this NEVER happens

Re:if i have kids.. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354341)

"They don't know what a LOLCat is or why it talks that way."

  Though ironically, Tubgirl & Goatse remained a staple of internet culture that everyone clearly understood.

In 2029... (5, Funny)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354251)

The world's largest Theme Park is HolyLand, run by the Disney Corp. It "features the colorful and historic actual former countries of Palestine/Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. Of course, all inhabitants are Disney employees wearing colorful costumes. Parting of the Red Sea at 10 am, noon, and 2 pm. When asked what happened to the former inhabitants, the tour guides always say, "We don't like to talk about that," and offer a two-for-one coupon for the donkey ride in Jerusalem.

Re:In 2029... (4, Funny)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354539)

Also, people who ask how all the prop sand from the beaches of the Indian Ocean was transported onto the large sheet of glass are asked to leave.

Re:In 2029... (1)

CheeseTroll (696413) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355085)

Right on! I've often said (mostly to myself) that if I were ever President, I'd threaten Israel & Palestine that if they didn't try harder to abide by an existing peace plan (pick one - any one), our next idea would involve Disney mgmt taking over Jerusalem. Of course it would be a mockery to 3 major religions at once, but would it be any worse than what they've made of it already?

Not sure I'd like to ride the 'Crucifixion' ride, though.

My Guess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354263)

Brave New World

Add one (2, Interesting)

nxtr (813179) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354277)

Current terrorist witchhunts were as laughable as the McCarthy Hearings. Oh wait, they already are.

an oldie but a goodie (5, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354285)

2.5 million B.C.: OOG the Open Source Caveman develops the axe and releases it under the GPL. The axe quickly gains popularity as a means of crushing moderators' heads.

100,000 B.C.: Man domesticates the AIBO.

10,000 B.C.: Civilization begins when early farmers first learn to cultivate hot grits.

3000 B.C.: Sumerians develop a primitive cuneiform perl script.

2920 B.C.: A legendary flood sweeps Slashdot, filling up a Borland / Inprise story with hundreds of offtopic posts.

1750 B.C.: Hammurabi, a Mesopotamian king, codifies the first EULA.

490 B.C.: Greek city-states unite to defeat the Persians. ESR triumphantly proclaims that the Greeks "get it".

399 B.C.: Socrates is convicted of impiety. Despite the efforts of freesocrates.com, he is forced to kill himself by drinking hemlock.

336 B.C.: Fat-Time Charlie becomes King of Macedonia and conquers Persia.

4 B.C.: Following the Star (as in hot young actress) of Bethelem, wise men travel from far away to troll for baby Jesus.

A.D. 476: The Roman Empire BSODs.

A.D. 610: The Glorious MEEPT!! founds Islam after receiving a revelation from God. Following his disappearance from Slashdot in 632, a succession dispute results in the emergence of two troll factions: the Pythonni and the Perliites.

A.D. 800: Charlemagne conquers nearly all of Germany, only to be acquired by andover.net.

A.D. 874: Linus the Red discovers Iceland.

A.D. 1000: The epic of the Beowulf Cluster is written down. It is the first English epic poem.

A.D. 1095: Pope Bruce II calls for a crusade against the Turks when it is revealed they are violating the GPL. Later investigation reveals that Pope Bruce II had not yet contacted the Turks before calling for the crusade.

A.D. 1215: Bowing to pressure to open-source the British government, King John signs the Magna Carta, limiting the British monarchy's power. ESR triumphantly proclaims that the British monarchy "gets it".

A.D. 1348: The ILOVEYOU virus kills over half the population of Europe. (The other half was not using Outlook.)

A.D. 1420: Johann Gutenberg invents the printing press. He is immediately sued by monks claiming that the technology will promote the copying of hand-transcribed books, thus violating the church's intellectual property.

A.D. 1429: Natalie Portman of Arc gathers an army of Slashdot trolls to do battle with the moderators. She is eventually tried as a heretic and stoned (as in petrified).

A.D. 1478: The Catholic Church partners with doubleclick.net to launch the Spanish Inquisition.

A.D. 1492: Christopher Columbus arrives in what he believes to be "India", but which RMS informs him is actually "GNU/India".

A.D. 1508-12: Michaelengelo attempts to paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling with ASCII art, only to have his plan thwarted by the "Lameness Filter."

A.D. 1517: Martin Luther nails his 95 Theses to the church door and is promptly moderated down to (-1, Flamebait).

A.D. 1553: "Bloody" Mary ascends the throne of England and begins an infamous crusade against Protestants. ESR eats his words.

A.D. 1588: The "IF I EVER MEET YOU, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS" guy meets the Spanish Armada.

A.D. 1603: Tokugawa Ieyasu unites the feuding pancake-eating ninjas of Japan.

A.D. 1611: Mattel adds Galileo Galilei to its CyberPatrol block list for proposing that the Earth revolves around the sun.

A.D. 1688: In the so-called "Glorious Revolution", King James II is bloodlessly forced out of power and flees to France. ESR again triumphantly proclaims that the British monarchy "gets it".

A.D. 1692: Anti-GIF hysteria in the New World comes to a head in the infamous "Salem GIF Trials", in which 20 alleged GIFs are burned at the stake. Later investigation reveals that mayn of the supposed GIFs were actually PNGs.

A.D. 1769: James Watt patents the one-click steam engine.

A.D. 1776: Trolls, angered by CmdrTaco's passage of the Moderation Act, rebel. After a several-year flame war, the trolls succeed in seceding from Slashdot and forming the United Coalition of Trolls.

A.D. 1789: The French Revolution begins with a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on the Bastille.

A.D. 1799: Attempts at discovering Egyptian hieroglyphs receive a major boost when Napoleon's troops discover the Rosetta stone. Sadly, the stone is quickly outlawed under the DMCA as an illegal means of circumventing encryption.

A.D. 1844: Samuel Morse invents Morse code. Cryptography export restrictions prevent the telegraph's use outside the U.S. and Canada.

A.D. 1853: United States Commodore Matthew C. Perry arrives in Japan and forces the xenophobic nation to open its doors to foreign trade. ESR triumphantly proclaims that Japan finally "gets it".

A.D. 1865: President Lincoln is 'bitchslapped.' The nation mourns.

A.D. 1901: Italian inventor Guglielmo Marcoli first demonstrates the radio. Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich immediately delivers to Marcoli a list of 335,435 suspected radio users.

A.D. 1911: Facing a break-up by the United States Supreme Court, Standard Oil Co. defends its "freedom to innovate" and proposes numerous rejected settlements. Slashbots mock the company as "Standa~1" and depict John D. Rockefeller as a member of the Borg.

A.D. 1929: V.A. Linux's stock drops over 200 dollars on "Black Tuesday", October 29th.

A.D. 1945: In the secret Manhattan Project, scientists working in Los Alamos, New Mexico, construct a nuclear bomb from Star Wars Legos.

A.D. 1948: Slashdot runs the infamous headline "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN." Shamefaced, the site quickly retracts the story when numerous readers point out that it is not news for nerds, stuff that matters.

A.D. 1965: Jon Katz delivers his famous "I Have A Post-Hellmouth Dream" speech, which stated: "I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the geeks of former slaves and the geeks of former slave geeks will be able to sit down together at the table of geeks... I have a dream that my geek little geeks will one geek live in a nation where they will not be geeked by the geek of their geek but by the geek of their geek."

A.D. 1969: Neil Armstrong becomes the first man to set foot on the moon. His immortal words: "FIRST MOONWALK!!!"

A.D. 1970: Ohio National Guardsmen shoot four students at Kent State University for "Internet theft".

A.D. 1989: The United States invades Panama to capture renowned "hacker" Manual Noriega, who is suspected of writing the DeCSS utility.

A.D. 1990: West Germany and East Germany reunite after 45 years of separation. ESR triumphantly proclaims that Germany "gets it".

A.D. 1994: As years of apartheid rule finally end, Nelson Mandela is elected president of South Africa. ESR is sick, and sadly misses his chance to triumphantly proclaim that South Africa "gets it".

A.D. 1997: Slashdot reports that Scottish scientists have succeeded in cloning a female sheep named Dolly. Numerous readers complain that if they had wanted information on the latest sheep releases, they would have just gone to freshsheep.net

A.D. 1999: Miramax announces Don Knotts to play hacker Emmanuel Goldstein in upcoming movie "Takedown"

A.D. 2000: On January 1st Microsoft NZ web site is first to announce that they have survived year 21000 bug. Slashdot community rejoices and lots of people swear the new millennium starts next year. ESR agrees that /. "gets it".

A.D. 2001: Mozilla release is expected during this millennium, although plans are to integrate it with the upcoming linux-2.4.0-test92-pre17-ac3.1-25.9, which would mean a slight delay.

Re:an oldie but a goodie (1, Interesting)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354449)

There is only one question which burns, lingering, in my mind after reading this.

Who/what the hell is ESR???

Re:an oldie but a goodie (3, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354489)

Who/what the hell is ESR???

a nobody that pretends to be somebody. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re:an oldie but a goodie (3, Funny)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354555)

Who/what the hell is ESR???

Don't worry about it.

It's easily wiped off with a dilute solution of bleach in water, and a garage rag.

'Lord of the Rings' looks fake??? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354307)

'Lord of the Rings' looks fake

Yes, everyone knows that orcs, trolls and ents don't look like that.

Or it could be really different... (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354311)

...we could have blow ourselves up and be starting all over again...

Sea change (5, Interesting)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354365)

Last year I was walking through the Home Depot. I needed an item of certain specs for a project, but I didn't know if that item even existed. I asked several employees for help, but if it didn't have a name, the thing didn't exist, as far as they were concerned. I wandered around for a little bit, wondering which isle I might find my mythical device. Then it struck me -- "I'll look it up on google!"

In retrospect, this seems astoundingly obvious. I was using my 2400 baud modem to dial-up BBSes before "The Internet", and I was asking my college classmates if they had tried Google yet for their internet searches back in '98-'99. But even though I'm relatively young and computer savvy, the information revolution has not completely saturated my mind. I'll be a foreigner who learned to speak the language late in his teen; I'll forever have an accent. I grew up in a world of libraries and card catalogs, of unhelpful adults who knew little of the subjects I wanted to learn about, and experts who couldn't answer questions that I didn't know how to pose. The world I grew up in was opaque, by default. I grew up in an information famine. If there was a weird or esoteric subject that made itself known to me somehow -- perhaps a short reference in a comic book -- I would spend days or weeks wondering about it. I would spend fruitless hours in the library trying to look it up, or getting blank stares from librarians or store owners.

But the kids these days -- anything they might want to know is sitting there in the computer room. They will never know a world of informationlessness. Everything from obscure programming langauges to Hatian Gods to currrent events, right in front of them.

Amazing things are in the pipeline. I hope I live as long as I can!

Re:Sea change (2, Interesting)

superdude72 (322167) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354783)

On a semirelated note, I'm struck by how much easier kids today have it when it comes to discovering new music. I had an appallingly limited selection when I was growing up in the suburbs in the '80s. Bands that we now think of as seminal--early REM, the Pixies, Husker Du--weren't played on commercial radio, and there was no college radio in my town. A lot of these bands were actually rather obscure at the height of their careers. Maybe in Los Angeles there was a station that played them. Not in my town. My parents wouldn't subscribe to MTV. There were mail order clubs like BMG (what Ben Stiller referred to as "Baby's first scam,") but selection was worse than what you might find at even a crappy record store. Basically the only way to hear something new was to make friends with other music geeks and trade mix tapes. Which I guess encourages social interaction which is a good thing, but it's a very laborious process if all you want is to check out the latest from the Pixies. Oh and I guess you could purchase music from a store. If you had a car, which I didn't until I was 16, and anyway purchasing tapes without hearing any of the music on them first is a prohibitively expensive way to discover new music, particularly when you are on a (stingy!) allowance or working 12 hours a week at a pizza place and also have to pay for your own car and clothing.

This actually influenced my life choices. My desire to live in a large city largely stems from the fact that they had decent radio stations, clubs, and record stores. (Yes, I still call them record stores even though I bought mostly tapes when I was a kid, and later CDs.) Nowadays, the big city radio stations have mostly come down to the craptastic level of the small city stations. (I don't blame technology entirely--telecommunications reform and consolidation hastened its demise.) There are a few record stores that are better than ever, but a lot of the smaller ones have closed. Clubs survive. My little hayseed cousin in Outer Bumfeckistan can download the same stuff that I moved to the city to get.

The downside, I guess, is that the used record stores are in trouble along with the rest of the record industry, although I think things are actually better for the more obscure artists who have access to a vastly larger audience due to the Internet. I wish radio didn't suck, although I don't think technology is entirely to blame there. I don't know what my teen / college years would have been like without mix tapes. I imagine the kids will adapt. I just hope they learn to socialize somewhere other than in front of a computer screen.

Re:Sea change (1)

Guido von Guido (548827) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354979)

No kidding! In Detroit, one or two of radio stations had "new wave" shows you could catch over the weekend. WABX was briefly an "alternative" station, before they changed formats. Close to the time I graduated, I discovered the Avondale high school radio station, which played a pretty wide range of material. I think that was about it

When I went away to college, it turned out conservative Cincinnati actually had a greatradio station, WOXY (AKA 97X) [lala.com], which has sadly left the airwaves in the last couple of years (although they're still alive on the web). 97X was even within walking distance of my dorm (albeit a long one). When I moved to Wisconsin after college I made a point of listening to WXRT on my way through Chicago, another great radio station.

Ah, the good old days--when were they again?

Re:Sea change (3, Insightful)

Stiletto (12066) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354997)

But the kids these days -- anything they might want to know is sitting there in the computer room. They will never know a world of informationlessness. Everything from obscure programming langauges to Hatian Gods to currrent events, right in front of them.

On the flip side, however, this generation is useless when the power goes out. Most of them can't recall basic historical facts, spell properly, or do basic arithmetic without a machine to help them.

It's the "I don't need to know---I'll google it!" generation.

Re:Sea change (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355135)

Last year I was walking through the Home Depot. I needed an item of certain specs for a project, but I didn't know if that item even existed. I asked several employees for help, but if it didn't have a name, the thing didn't exist, as far as they were concerned. I wandered around for a little bit, wondering which isle I might find my mythical device. Then it struck me -- "I'll look it up on google!"

Is this Home Depot actually located in the future of a water world a la Kevin Costner?

Re:Sea change (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20355165)

I hope I live as long as I can!


I hope you don't die before you reach that goal.

Movies have always come in the mail (3, Insightful)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354399)

Really? With OnDemand, iTunes, UnBox, Xbox Marketplace, P2P, etc. ?

Snail mailed disks are antiquated you damn old timer. Non-downloadable movies will be a laughable distant memory in 18 years.

Re:Movies have always come in the mail (1)

GPL Apostate (1138631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354607)

Actually, capital-intensive studio-produced movies will be extinct by then. People will still be able to shuffle around copies of 'the classics' (digitally remastered!) but the P2P 'revolution' is already in the process of running the studios out of business. Anything large and capital intensive is destined to be 'mobbed' into ruin.

I'm afraid in the future, we'll just have to settle for watching edited montagues of YouToob snippets. Maybe somebody brilliant will come on the scene who can figure out how to edit all that disjointed footage into feature-length shows. Who knows, anything is possible.

I know!! We can just play back the tapes of music and images that the Seti Project will reveal!

Price of gas (2, Insightful)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354421)

have always been able to use a cell phone on a plane
I imagine that by 2029 the price of gas will be so high that only the extremely wealthy will be able to afford plane travel.

HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year (1)

scrout (814004) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354435)

HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year

Remember back when we should have taken care of those Islamic Extremists?

Re:HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year (2, Insightful)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354469)

HEADLINE: 100th nuke detonated this year

Remember back when we should have taken care of those fundamentalist christian extremists running america?

Re:HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354919)

HEADLINE: Atomic Ayatollahs transfer more nuclear weapons to 3rd party terrorist groups.

Remember back when Russia supplied nuclear technology to Iran?

Re:HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354969)

New moderator guidelines:

Cheap shot on Islamic Extremists: (-1, Troll)
Cheap shot on Christian Extremists: (+5, Insightful)

Re:HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year (1)

mikestro (60854) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355147)

Implying that fundamentalist Christians are responsible for (future) nuke bombings? Nice.

How can this be anything but a troll or someone who's really naive?

Mod parent down please.

Re:HEADLINE: 10th dirty nuke detonated this year (2, Insightful)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355229)

It was a shot at the ignorant view that Islamic terrorists will be responsible for nuclear attacks. You know who I suspect are going to carry out nuclear attacks- PEOPLE WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

The Lucas Factor (5, Funny)

Treskin (555947) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354443)

'Lord of the Rings' looks fake and the effects are laughable)

My prediction: Lord of the Rings will become a cult classic among the youth of the next 20 years. When it has become accepted as a mainstay of American culture, Peter Jackson will admit he was never truly satisfied with the poor quality of the special effects and release 3 "Special Edition" movies. These will feature new special effects and opening sequence in which Sauron was just actually just kicking back in Mordor, enjoying a lemonade on his gazebo with the orphans he just adopted - when suddenly Elendil walks up and pimp slaps Sauron across the face with a mace. This will trigger a campaign known as "Sauron maced first" seeking to restore the original concept and flavor of both characters.

After meeting with some success with these Special Editions, Jackson will decide to release a 3 movie prequel based on The Hobbit which will feature the dwarf Thorin replaced by a lovable anthropomorphic fish-dwarf who likes to say "Mesa gonna havea big adventures with yousa Hobbit, sah" who everyone will hate. Following their release, the class of 2029 will complain that Peter Jackson has ruined their childhoods by destroying the movies they had grown up loving so much.

Tales from a Beloit non-grad (3, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354493)

Just FYI- Beloit is the armpit school of the midwest. When I went there in the late 90's:

  • An entire dorm left mid-term. Something like 1/4 of the freshman class was "asked to take a semester off" (I was one of them, and I suspect it had more to do with them grossly overbooking dorm rooms and classes.)
  • My physics class was taught using a self-published physics textbook developed by a nearby university. The previous year's physics 101 class sent in FORTY pages of corrections, and ours were wrong in all sorts of new and exciting ways. The class was useless, because the professor had to have the entire class go over the homework together, and you never knew if you were doing the problem set wrong, or if the problemset itself was wrong.
  • the facilities were a mess (we couldn't even get lightbulbs for common areas)
  • students were crammed into every available space; there were 6 and 7 people in some converted lounges. I was shoved into a double with three people, and it was a fight with res life to get furniture for the third guy; they gave us two desks, TWO BEDS, and two dressers.
  • They don't serve anything except brunch on Sundays. This sucks more than you could possibly believe when you're in the middle of nowhere. It's not like you can walk a block or two into town and get something tasty and cheap. Your choices: pizza and...pizza.
  • The town is full of really bigoted, angry, poor people. My roommate, who was seeing another student who had come from Indonesia, had a run in with a guy who said: "Yeeer girlll-friend Chaneeeeese?" "Uh, no, she's Indonesian." "She LOOKS Chaaaaaneeeeeeese". The guy then followed them back to campus in his pickup truck.
  • The only exciting thing to do in Beloit...is to drive to Madison. YEEEHAA. Sucks if you don't know anyone with a car!
  • The nearest transportation to Chicago (where you will be flying in/out of) is several MILES off campus. Do you know how much that sucks any time from fall to late spring, ie, the academic season?
  • My dorm freshman year was infested with cockroaches- the basement lounge was full of them, and our room had them as well, despite it being the start of the year and the room being very clean.
  • By 4-5PM people are drinking and smoking pot, and every Friday/Saturday night, the lounges would turn into what a nightclub looks like after it closes; full of broken glass, beer cans/bottles everywhere, beer coating *everything* (the furniture was never cleaned, so...yeah) and recycling bins and trashcans filled to the brim with beer.
  • We had wonderful militant feminists and lesbians who all strong-armed the campus into giving them the nicest dorms on campus and making them women only. One was called "The Womyn's Center". Their favorite activity was scrolling sexual slurs like "DYKE!" on the walkways to get a rise out of people.
  • Relations are so good with the town that the Beloit police department spends all night "patrolling" "town property" (aka the one public road that goes through the residential section) and ticketing people for anything they possibly can. I was never ticketed, but half my dorm had been ticketed for "open container of alcohol" because they crossed the street from one dorm to another with a can of beer.
  • The local canned food plant (the only real place for people to work- General Dynamics shut down its plant and is mostly why the town was/is a hell-hole) regularly belches forth clouds of artificial cheese smell or baked beans. The student-run "Coughy Haus" is named for the cough people make when they smell the "cheese breeze."
  • There's a freight train line nearby that blows its horn at every crossing....at about 5AM. EVERY MORNING.
  • Thefts on campus were rampant. I repeatedly had stuff stolen off my bike by townies who considered campus an convenient automatic teller machine.

It's the fucking armpit of the midwestern liberal arts schools. Give it a WIDE BERTH. If you're stupid enough to go, don't even think of staying in "810", or its nearby dorm (I forget the number...6-something?)

Re:Tales from a Beloit non-grad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354975)

I went to Beloit from 1999 - 2003 and actually _graduated_ (major in Anthropology, now I do OSS software development), and I had none of the above experiences. My college time at Beloit completely rocked. I suspect if the OP hadn't actually bombed out, s/he'd have liked it more. Before I came, they completely renovated a bunch of dorms, built "townhouse" dorms, trains didn't come through, moved the fire station down the street from my dorm somewhere else, had pretty good food. Best CS class I had (minored in it) was designing my own 8-bit processor in simulation, with some ROM. People there are more laid back, more fun, 10+% of the student body is international, and students come from almost all 50 states (#3 is Oregon). They're building a new science center to be finished in the next year or two.

Re:Tales from a Beloit non-grad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20355011)

So what you're saying is basically it's the Tufts of the midwest.

Re:Tales from a Beloit non-grad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20355017)

I went to Oberlin, where most every complaint you have is equalled or surpassed. Our campus dining services was mandatory - except if you joined a co-op or in limited other cases - and it was run by a company that specialized in prison services, while the administration admitted that funds from board fees were siphoned off to other areas of the school. If you want to be around militant feminists of any sexual orientation, just try Oberlin out - it's not that uncommon as a guy to have the experience of hanging out with a girl many times for extended conversations and then when you ask them to do something, they just don't know how to respond because they like you but they hate Men.

Some of the CS kids (and others, too) would hide away in tiny groups and bitch about most everything and everyone on campus, but the thing is that it was a fucking prize of a place to be. They were just anti-social anal-retentive types. One of my brothers attended Beloit and, while I don't know everything about it and only visited it a few times, it seems like a pretty cool college from everything I know about it. To be holding on to the petty stuff well after you've left the school is a sad sign.

Re:Tales from a Beloit non-grad (1)

Vegeta99 (219501) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355097)

Sounds like my campus. I'm an RA in this mess, but:

Relations are so good with the town that the Beloit police department spends all night "patrolling" "town property" (aka the one public road that goes through the residential section) and ticketing people for anything they possibly can. I was never ticketed, but half my dorm had been ticketed for "open container of alcohol" because they crossed the street from one dorm to another with a can of beer.


So don't violate the open container law! What's the BEST way to let the cops know where everyone is underage drinking? Oh, yeah, walking in there 20 deep with open cans of beer. That law is there to protect you. If a bunch of kids walk in with backpacks full of beer on, a cop can't come up and bust your "study party" - but he sure is gonna take a visit if you walked in open beer and all!

It's fuckin' freshman move in day... and I'm on duty.

what's mousepad? (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354505)

So no more 2-dimensional information entry that is easily mappable to a 2-dimensional visual display?
Interesting. Maybe we'll have mind controlled computers finally.
If alive, in 2029 I'll be 53, ouch.

What will it really be like?

All newborns are imprinted with DNA sequences, that uniquely identify a person. Basically everyone's DNA will have a serial number. Obviously many will resist this but the anti-terrorist laws will be strong, comrades. From then on this tech will proliferate into all aspects of life, various ID schemes will be implemented on top of this tech. Obviously people will find work-arounds, but all illegal of-course.

Various genetic types of treatment, still no cure for AIDS, but people won't die from it directly anymore. Still no cure for many types of cancer, but detection is much better and if detected in time, survival rate will approach 90%.

Patented life forms used in manufacturing of goods. Patented viruses, bacteria, insects, cows, pigs, wheat, rice, corn, apples, etc. used to efficiently provide the population of 9 billion people with food, shelter, clothing, energy, entertainment and medication.

Patented people. AI built on top of a computer network that will use humans as nodes for intuition and any non-programmable functionality.

Polygamy legalized in China, one woman will be able to have many husbands at the same time.

Sex-bots.

Sex-cyborgs.

Arab Emirates run out of oil and become a gigantic Disney Land on drugs.

All legally bought electronics have built-in DRM, digital fingerprinting, watermarking and such. The feedback loops allow the content providers to identify those, who release copyrighted materials into 'the wild' without authorization. Laws are put in place to make copyright violations to be the most heinous crime of all times, worse than murder but not as bad as tax evasion.

Oh, and taxes. Well, they will grow.

aaand (1)

kc2keo (694222) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354815)

GNU/Linux finally has a total of 9000 different distros. M$ is not longer in existance. All games are created for GNU/Linux and everyones happy.... :P

Re:what's mousepad? (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354949)

>still no cure for AIDS, but people won't die from it directly anymore. S

Except the poor and uninsured.

Re:what's mousepad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20355213)

> If alive, in 2029 I'll be 53, ouch.

As someone who will be 53 in 6 more weeks, I would just like to take this opportunity to say, "STFU".

Thank you. :)

Nothing new here (4, Insightful)

AndyMcL (65518) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354517)

The article is just stating current events and the author's own current likes and dislikes. More than likely many of the companies and items mentioned will be different by 2029. Especially since the rate of change is increasing. Where was Google and Yahoo 22 years ago or many of the technologies we use today? Not even on the radar back in 1985. Many of the Slashdot readers may not have even been alive yet or were still in diapers.

The only thing you can accurately predict is people will be fundamentally the same, only the tools they use will be different.

Just my 2 cents.

-Andy

Don't remember a time when George Bush... (1)

dircha (893383) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354523)

...was not President!

Re:Don't remember a time when George Bush... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354897)

...was not President!

Haha. However, it's far more likely that Castro will still be Presidente-for-life in Cuba, and Chavez will be Presidente-for-life in Venezuela.

Re:Don't remember a time when George Bush... (1)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355043)

...was not President!


Well, we already have a significant number of people who don't remember a time when there wasn't a Bush or a Clinton in the White House. And, if Hillary gets two terms, Chelsea and the Bush twins could conceivable run against each other with a populace that has gotten used to 35+ years of familial duopoly...

Lord of the rings looks fake in the future? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354589)

Which part? The giant flaming evil eye, or the running trees?
Those damn kids, they wouldn't know a realistic effect if it bit them on the ass.

LOTR already looks fake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354689)

in certain places at least. For example, in the first movie when they go under the mountain, that big creature they fight that uses a mace or other swingable weapon(and it keeps hitting walls) - looks quite fake. Golem looks fake much of the time too - amongst other things.

Maybe it looks fake ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20355221)

because it is fake?

Onward and upward (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354701)

Views of 2029:

  • China is the superpower.
  • "What's your draft status"?
  • No more shaving. Laser hair removal. (It's only expensive now because the patent licensing terms are terrible.)
  • Cars plug in, and mostly drive themselves.
  • Getting a good job looks hopeless. Success requires picking your parents carefully.
  • Being a "knowledge worker" is obsolete; it's like being a manual laborer before heavy machinery. Computers are smarter than you are.

Special effects (1)

Yath (6378) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354761)

'Lord of the Rings' looks fake and the effects are laughable


For those of you who scorn this prediction, remember that there are people alive who have seen only a few contemporary movies. For those people, LoTR effects are actually pretty good. After all, computer-generated effects, while still in their infancy, have gotten steadily better over the last couple of decades. So it's inevitable that there will be a few younger folks for whom LoTR's effects, when compared to most other contemporary movies, stand out as examples of quality.

For the majority of us, of course, they look like crap compared to the models or the (gasp) REAL props they were forced to use in the past.

Car Era (2, Insightful)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354817)

I suspect they will only have distant childhood memories of everybody driving their own cars wherever they wanted.

they will not remember (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354877)

a faggot os called linux. because linux is dying and it's fucking over. it's a wart on the ass of modern computing. fucking faggot shit.

Lindsay Lohan was never innocent. (3, Insightful)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354921)

"Lindsay Lohan was never innocent."

Hopefully in the year 2025/2029 it will be "Lindsay who?" and "Paris who?" and "Britney who?". And if we're *really* lucky people might actually stop obsessing so much over the lives of people that they don't know personally or have anything to do with all together.

But I guess I'm just a dreamer :(

Re:Lindsay Lohan was never innocent. (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355083)

Well we still talk about bands from the 60s. And they were hardly innocent either. Just now we have 24/7 news coverage to really drive in the point.

What? You think the Beatles were saints? They might have been bigger than jesus, but they're hardly without sin. Hint: They abused drugs to come up with their songs.

Like omg totally what? no wai! ya rly!

NUMA, NUMA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20354937)

"They've never danced to 'Numa Numa.'"

That's a song about RAM, right?

~AC

Ignores the big picture on exponential computing (2, Informative)

Paul Fernhout (109597) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354965)

Computers are increasing by a factor of about 1000X in performance per
price per decade. By the time any toddler of today is finishing
graduate school, computers will be about 1000X (for the first decade)
multiplied (not added) by 1000X (for the second decade) or about
a million times faster than they are now -- just like computers are
about a million times faster than twenty to thirty years ago (at
constant dollars, or so MIPS per $). Related links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law [wikipedia.org]
    http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?pr intable=1 [kurzweilai.net]
    http://www.bootstrap.org/dkr/discussion/0126.html [bootstrap.org]
    http://www.transhumanist.com/volume1/moravec.htm [transhumanist.com]
(The rate of exponential growth itself is even increasing!)
According to that last link, those AI computers had about 1 MIPS
processing power. (And it's a funny idea Hans Moravec had, and I think
correct, that only for the last decade or so has AI been taking
advantage of faster desktop CPUs going beyond 1 MIPS..)

As an example, compare the late 1970s Apple II
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II [wikipedia.org]
with todays' (2007) eight core Mac Pro.
    http://www.apple.com/macpro/ [apple.com]
Then --> Now (approximate increase)
CPU: 1 Mhz --> 8 * 3 Ghz (8000X faster, but about another 100X internal
improvements from wider data operations and pipelining and such).
(somewhere in x100000 to x1000000)
RAM: 4K --> 4GB RAM just starting to be common. (x1000000)
Disk: 300K disks --> 300 gigabyte disks. (x1000000)
And all for about the same price (adjusted for inflation).
Some other considerations:
Bandwidth: 11 bytes/sec modem at $10 / hour --> 800000 bytes/second by
cable at $60 / month (about x10000 faster, well that doesn't quite fit,
but its still a big improvement -- and if you factor in the cost for
continuous access, there is probably another 10x or 100X boost in there,
producing effectively close to a x1000000 improvement of price/performance)
Printing: about 1000 characters per minute for $1200 printer -> 10 pages
per minute each with millions of color pixels -- with the printer often
now free with the computer (not sure how to call this as a multiple,
since quality has changed so much).

So, here are possible specs for a personal computer of 2027 if it was a
million times faster than today's:
CPU: 8 * 3 Ghz --> 8000 X 3 THz (1000X more CPUs each 1000X faster,
though I think it likely such systems might just instead have a million
processors at about today's speeds, perhaps interweaving memory and
processing power)
RAM: 4GB --> 4000TB (enough to hold all of the current surface internet
in RAM, see:
http://www2.sims.berkeley.edu/research/projects/ho w-much-info-2003/internet.htm [berkeley.edu]
)
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte [wikipedia.org]
for MB, GB, TB, PB, EB series and their meaning
DISK: 300GB --> 300PB (which is 300,000 TB)
For reference, a DVD movie uncompressed is about 5GB.
Note that, according to:
  http://elegans.uky.edu/blog/?p=49 [uky.edu]
300 TB would allow you to record your entire life in video for 16hr/day
for 100 years at 500MB/hr. So you could do that for 1000 people on just
your own $3000 2027AD personal computer. Or you could just perhaps store
the interesting bits of life video for perhaps a hundred thousand people
or so. Needless to say, storing all of human music currently on CD would
be trivial and not even noticeably strain such a computer's capacity.
But there might be little point, as the system could possibly be able to
just improvise music to suit your mood if you asked it.
Bandwidth: 800KB --> 800MB (conservative, just x1000, from optical fiber
to the home, but still enough to download a full length HD movie in a
few seconds)
  See: "Internet2 Land Speed Record -- 9.08 gigabits per second."
      http://www.internet2.edu/lsr/ [internet2.edu]
Printing: 10 pages per minute in 2D (free, but toner costs) --> 10 cubic
centimeters / minute in 3D (free with the computer, maybe the toner,
especially for precious metals like gold or platinum, still costs).
[Yes, I meant printing in *3D* as in:
http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail-450.a sp?ID=1 [zcorp.com]
"The ZPrinter 450 makes color 3D printing accessible to everyone. The
lowest priced color 3D printer available, the ZPrinter 450 outputs
brilliant color models with timesaving automation and an even easier
printing process. It is the ideal introduction to color 3D printing for
a wide variety of applications from product design, production
prototypes, and architectural concepts to education, healthcare, and the
arts."]

Even if I were to be off by a factor of 100X, this would still be an
impressive computer, 10000X more powerful than what we have now. And in
another ten years by 2037 we would definitely see such a machine. And
then ten years beyond that, what will the performance be of desktop
computers when today's toddlers start having toddler's of their own?
Unimaginable at another 1000X performance. Desktop computers about as
powerful than all the computers in the world today put together?
Granted, growth rates may eventually slow down -- but people who study
this suggest exponential growth in performance/price will continue for
at least the next few decades.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law [wikipedia.org]
[Heat dissipation and power consumption are likely the biggest hurdles.]

Another way these trends can be looked at is that today's wireless
networked desktop computer will be purchasable for less than a penny and
be somewhere in size between a postage stamp and a grain of sand (and
likely solar powered) in 2027.
What does that mean for privacy or for schooling
itself when a kid can buy $10 worth of computing dust and sprinkle 1000
networked audio pickup nodes around?

Back to the future (2, Interesting)

Charcharodon (611187) | more than 6 years ago | (#20354991)

'Lord of the Rings' looks fake and the effects are laughable/

They look laughable now, no need to wait 20 some odd years.

To be fair everything looks fake once you've seen a movie a few times. You spend less time engrossed in the story and more on the technical aspects. I've noticed much of it seems to be with inaccurate or sloppy lighting for composite images or things being too perfect or too perfectly imperfect (ie Star Trek & Star Wars), rather than the level of detail. That and how ridiculous the cliche flooded action scenes have become.

My take on it will be kids of that generation will either wonder about a world that isn't entirely engrossed in civil and global conflicts or be so bored out of their minds that suicide at 40 is considered a proper end to a long and full life.

Lame, yeah "lame idea" lame (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355067)

Why is it every generation thinks they're the rightful owners of society? I'm sure when the current 40-50 year olds were 16, their parents thought *they* were the rightful owners of society, and so forth.

I'm sure the same people who get "where's the beef" (btw, I was born in 1982, and I get the joke too, so it's hardly a generation defining meme), probably wouldn't get the subtle Victorian civilities that made up the 19th century.

In short, the article is full of Ric Romero substance and should be cataloged under "same shit, different day."

Tom

Saddest of all.... (1)

wombert (858309) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355137)

FTA: No one's ever worn a digital watch.

Sadly, they'll never really appreciate Douglas Adams' style of humour.

The REAL class of 2029 (2, Interesting)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 6 years ago | (#20355191)

1. Will have lived most of their lives in economic recession.
2. Will ride bicycles and electric trikes - cars are too expensive.
3. Will not be able to afford air travel, which will be largely the province of the super rich and the military.
4. Will grow some fraction of their own food.
5. Will be lucky to attend university.
6. Will mostly graduate from trade schools in maintenance (plumbing, HVAC, cabinetry, ensolarisation projects, or agriculture.
7. Will remember several small limited local nuclear wars, and know or know someone who knows someone who died in them.
8. Will hate their parents and grandparents for being such an idiotic bunch of uniformed greedheads.
9. Will bear the brunt of the Powerdown.
10. Will know or know someone who knows someone in the refugee transit camps in eastern Oregon and southern Idaho.
11. Will be trying to figure out a way to move north, or northwest, where it's cooler.
12. Will consider gay marriage as normal as any other kind of marriage, because marriage is a matter of metaphysics, and government doesn't care about that - gov't cares about contracts and property.
13. Will look back at the Bush administration as a complete and utter failure, and those who voted for Bush as complicit in his war crimes, as the German People were complicit in WW2 and the Holocaust.
14. Will realise that technology is not energy, and will know how to calculate Energy Return on Energy Invested in their heads, much as the class of 1976 was able to calculate grams of coke vs. ounces of colombian pot...
15. Will know how to darn their own socks.
16. Will remember the internet as the predecessor of what became "transparent" and they simply see it as "media". 17. Will laugh at Kurzweil for being such a tool, as machine intelligence is STILL 30 years off.
18. Will know that fusion is still 20 years away, just like it was 20 years ago.
19. Will help tear up the broad asphalt streets to be replaced with narrow cobblestone.
20. Will raze their grandparent's McMansions because they were build like crap, and the land is more useful as farm land.
21. Will live in cities or in small towns clustered near railroad depots.
22. Will eat organic food because there isn't enough natural gas left for fertiliser and pesticides anyway.
23. Will know how to stoke a wood fire in the morning to warm the house in winter and get a pot of tea boiling.
24. Will change their outer clothing less often, but change their under clothing every day. The outer clothing will be more strongly built and durable. They will repair their own underwear.
25. will find digital media will not exist - it's all digital, so "digital" media has no meaning.
26. Will be able to procure all of the films of Warner Brothers (or any other film company), including cartoons, on a single deeply encrypted drive.
27. Will be able to procure a drive that contains every song ever released by a given music company.
28. Will the depth of media daunting and much of it will be ignored.
29. Fine Art will finally be completely digested and shat out by the entertainment industry as simple entertainment for the educated. Some will argue this had already happened by 1995...
30. Will find The Long Emergency in full swing. Billions dying off in Africa and Asia, millions perishing in Europe and North America as the human species loses its fight against Mother Nature and the laws of thermodynamics.

RS

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