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Users Trash Wal-Mart On Its Facebook Site

kdawson posted more than 7 years ago | from the why-are-they-even-here dept.

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hhavensteincw writes "Only two weeks after Wal-Mart launched its latest foray into Web 2.0 land, Facebook users have hijacked a page aimed at selling back-to-school supplies to college kids to instead post rants about the company's labor practices. Of the 100-plus comments, none relates to dorm decorating as Wal-Mart had originally envisioned."

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This is *exactly* why (5, Insightful)

BiggestPOS (139071) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364887)

You need one of those ancient "greeters" as gate-keepers on the system. I don't even let people post comments on *my* lowly page without approving them first, how can they be so naive?

Re:This is *exactly* why (2, Insightful)

psychicsword (1036852) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364905)

I do the same thing becuase some people can leave some very nasty things on those sites

Re:This is *exactly* why (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365055)

Their "forway" into Web 2.0? I don't get it. Did he mean four way into Web 2.0? It does look like they're getting f*cked.

Re:This is *exactly* why (5, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365687)

2.0? They aren't even at web 1.0 yet here in Canada. You can't even buy stuff online in Canada, and they have only a few select items up on their website, not even close to their entire catalog. However, there is an option to add stuff to your shopping list, and print that out for buying at the B&M stores. Which is pretty useless though, considering the items may not be at the store you shop at, and like I said, the online product selection is maybe 10% of the items they actually stock.

Re:This is *exactly* why (5, Funny)

Phantom of the Opera (1867) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365473)

You need one of those ancient "greeters" as gate-keepers on the system. I don't even let people post comments on *my* lowly page without approving them first, how can they be so naive?
Would they pay the greeter a decent wage? But seriously, how many would they have to hire to keep up?

The special place in hell for the Wal-Mart greeter (2, Funny)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365555)

This made me think of the Far Side strip where a demon is greeting newcomers to hell and the sign behind him says "This is the first day of the rest of your life."

In fact hell has been working on a "Web 2.0 style" social network for ages. I can't wait to meet up with all my friends there.

"Only two weeks after" (5, Insightful)

More_Cowbell (957742) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364903)

Only?

Am I the only one surprised it took so long?

Re:"Only two weeks after" (3, Insightful)

g0dsp33d (849253) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365233)

Probably due to the large number of people who cared enough to search for Walmart :-p. Don't know about you, but I tend to ignore ads, even blatant ones.

Just an incredibly banal version of the Borg... (1, Flamebait)

TheNoxx (412624) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365575)

Wal-mart is so damned evil, but it's the last place people expect it, so it takes a while to catch on. Companies like Halliburton and Monsanto's misdeeds are headline-grabbing events; Wal-mart just has cheap socks and asshole management.

They should take it one step further (5, Funny)

bigtrike (904535) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364923)

They should go a step further and allow college students to network with the 9 year old children making the products they're buying.

Re:They should take it one step further (3, Insightful)

g0dsp33d (849253) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365471)

Why would they let the children have computers? Plus the 'net would take away from their 18 hour work days.

Re:They should take it one step further (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365725)

I don't see what's so bad about Walmart. At least from my experiences here in Canada, they stock the exact same stuff as most other discount department stores, and pay their employees about the same amount. How much do you expect them to pay people to stock shelves? It's not a hard to fill position. They have their own store brand stuff, but that's made in China, just like all the other store brand clothes in all the other department stores. I've yet to find a large corporate store where half the stuff isn't made in China, India, or some other financially less well to do country. Except American Apparel, but I don't fell like wearing sweat pants and tight briefs that look like they are from the '70s.

I don't get it (3, Informative)

rossz (67331) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364939)

From that I have heard, Wal-Mart pays a decent amount, far more than the minimum wage. They aggressively hire people who normally have a hard time getting a job (elderly), they have benefits, and such. So why is their a small group of idiots protesting against them? Is it only because they are a large corporation?

Re:I don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20364989)

Who makes [google.com] the cheep stuff they sell? Are they being paid "far more than the minimum wage"? Maybe you should research beyond what the PR dept. of WalMart tells you.

Re:I don't get it (1, Troll)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365159)

Yeah. Let them starve instead.

 

Re:I don't get it (1)

NosTROLLdamus (979044) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365417)

Wow, those are the only two choices? Moron.

Re:I don't get it (1)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365459)

I'm guessing you're not startving and not working at walmart. I conclude that must not be your best argument.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365789)

I have the choice of other jobs. I don't need a shit walmart job because there are other companies out there who want to exploit me and who are willing to pay more.

We should be encouraging more companies to go to Bangladesh and exploit the population. Not less.

 

Slow torture or kill quickly? (1)

erareno (1103509) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365655)

Sounds like there are two evils here.

There are more options then just letting children starve.

give them better work conditions at least, is one.

Improve the wages of the parents of all these children is definately another.

Re:I don't get it (2, Insightful)

The Dobber (576407) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365559)

That cheap stuff would still be made regardless of whether WalMart was the retailer. Do you for one moment think that Target and the other big box stores get their products from some alternative world?

The American consumer drives the market and we won't pay one more penny than we have to. WalMart just profits from our greed.

Re:I don't get it (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365669)

>the cheep stuff

Birds?

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

spleen_blender (949762) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364999)

Perhaps because the consequences of their business practices don't necessarily only affect consumers, but the companies from which they are buying their products, specifically the labour practices of the manufacturers. Walmart has low prices, this is true, but the value we enjoy from those prices are supported solely by the unfair wages and operations of overseas manufacturers. It is just like thermodynamics. The low cost of these products has to come from somewhere. It just happens this somewhere is sometimes a sweatshop.

Re:I don't get it (4, Informative)

Bombula (670389) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365015)

From that I have heard

Do us all a favor and do something about your ignorance before posting next time: http://walmartwatch.com/ [walmartwatch.com]

Re:I don't get it (3, Insightful)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365123)

Do us all a favor and do something about your ignorance before posting next time: http://walmartwatch.com/ [walmartwatch.com]

Do us all a favor and take your own advice. Watch the Penn & Teller 'Bullshit!' episode about Wal-Mart, where they thoroughly demolish the anti-Wal-Mart arguments.

Re:I don't get it (4, Insightful)

BrendanMcGrail (1094981) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365319)

As good as Penn and Teller are about promoting atheism, they have a decidedly Libertarian agenda that they push right along side it, and have a tendency to sweep arguments against that view (which tend to go hand in hand with the the anti-Wal-Mart arguments) under the rug.

Re:I don't get it (1)

notque (636838) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365433)

Exactly, you've hit the nail on the head. They consistently side with the American Libertarian point of view regardless of evidence. This bias is clear.

Re:I don't get it (5, Insightful)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365321)

When an argument is using a propaganda sight and Penn and Teller as its sources, we all lose, kids.

Re:I don't get it (4, Funny)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365795)

Ugh. Don't mod me up when I screw up spelling and grammar that badly!

You keep using these words (4, Interesting)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365353)

Watch the Penn & Teller 'Bullshit!' episode about Wal-Mart, where they thoroughly demolish the anti-Wal-Mart arguments.
I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

And those would be the same Pen & Teller that think that arming students would end all school massacres [wikipedia.org] ? They're funny magicians, not prophets.

Re:You keep using these words (2, Insightful)

Oligonicella (659917) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365675)

Having watched their gun episode, that's not what they said. Cite, if you will.

Re:I don't get it (2, Insightful)

Gregory Cox (997625) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365357)

GGP post only asked "Why are they complaining?" That link gives plenty of reasons. Whether they are justified in their complaints is another question.

Re:I don't get it (1)

notque (636838) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365413)

Do us all a favor and choose more than one resource. Penn & Teller ends up being mostly true, but there have been a episodes which I have a direct knowledge in the field where they were completely wrong. To the point where it seemed like they had to be trying to make such large mistakes. Which usually just means bias.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365489)

Watch the Penn & Teller

I'm sorry, but if your best argument is reference two rich white guys who make their living by lying to an audience, I think you lose.

These guys wish they were Harry Houdini, but they aren't. Some examples of where they're just bat-shit crazy:

  • It really is possible to love someone your entire life.
  • Global Warming really is the biggest problem facing the planet today.
  • Secondhand smoke actually causes cancer.
  • AA really does help a huge number of Alcoholics quit.
  • The Boy Scouts are not ran by the Mormon Church.
  • We really are getting fatter as a nation
  • the Americans with Disabilities Act is a good thing

I varry on my feelings towards Wal-Mart. Yes, they made the whole darn industry more efficient. But they also monotonize the selection we have of consumer goods. If I want something that isn't popular enough for wal-mart to carry it, I practically have to go to the internet. And when no one's home during the day, ordering on-line is, at best, inconvenient.

But I sure as heck aren't going to let two professional con-men -- and that's what they are, even if they're usually honest about it -- tell me what is and isn't so.

I don't get it-Bats. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365561)

"These guys wish they were Harry Houdini, but they aren't. Some examples of where they're just bat-shit crazy:

        * It really is possible to love someone your entire life.
        * Global Warming really is the biggest problem facing the planet today.
        * Secondhand smoke actually causes cancer.
        * AA really does help a huge number of Alcoholics quit.
        * The Boy Scouts are not ran by the Mormon Church.
        * We really are getting fatter as a nation
        * the Americans with Disabilities Act is a good thing
"

Oh I have plenty of time today. Why don't you tackle those items and explain why they're "bat shit" crazy? Hope you brought some utensils with you because crow's on the menu.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365661)

You're right that they do get things wrong. I'd really like to see a "Bullshit of Bullshit!" episode where they own up to it. (It also makes for a fun drinking game - any time they use a logically fallacy to prove a point, drink!)

But that doesn't mean that they aren't right.

It really is possible to love someone your entire life.
This is a definition battle - what is love, anyway? But based on what I've seen, while it may be possible, it's amazingly unlikely.

Global Warming really is the biggest problem facing the planet today.
I'm not going to bother trying to refute this one because it's another definition battle, and I don't want to argue against a constantly changing position.

Secondhand smoke actually causes cancer.
Accepting that as true, it doesn't change the fact that banning smoking in private establishments is bullshit.

AA really does help a huge number of Alcoholics quit.
No, it doesn't. Try doing some actual research on that one. In any case, even if it did, it doesn't change the fact that it's effectively religious.

The Boy Scouts are not ran by the Mormon Church.
Not directly, but Mormons have undue influence. This one is from personal experience. The Mormon Church by far provides the most financial support to the Boy Scouts.

We really are getting fatter as a nation
I don't recall them ever arguing against that. I do recall them pointing out that most people are never going to look like models, and that dieting alone often isn't enough.

the Americans with Disabilities Act is a good thing
This one is too complicated, but suffice it to say that some aspects of it are bullshit but not all.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365625)

does that same episode refute the arguments made by human rights watch [hrw.org] ?

Hypoxia (3, Funny)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365701)

Penn and Teller have spent too much time underwater for me to trust their opinion of Wal-Mart.

Re:I don't get it (0, Redundant)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365147)

Watch the Penn & Teller "Bullshit!" episode about "Wal-Mart Hate" before you take every word from that site as gospel.

Re:I don't get it (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365213)

lol at referencing the tv show Bullshit! as a source of anything but libertarian propaganda. You fail.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365773)

I'll take libertarian "propaganda" over left/right wing control and bullshit any day, thanks. God forbid our country adhere to the fundamental libertarian constructs on which the nation was founded! All that.. freedom! EEEEEEEEW!

Re:I don't get it (2)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365259)

too bad people keep shopping there and making them boatloads of money. seriously, walmart does just like any other very larger company, they do as much as they can to control the market and make money as is allowed under the law. is that right? perhaps not, is it legal? yes. don't like what they are doing? don't shop there. don't work there and certainly try to get the applicable laws changed. the only way companies will stop taking advantage of their situation is if people strangle the companies that do deplorable things. until the public at large cares more about the subject than saving 50 cents on that new toy, it is going to be the same as always.

Re:I don't get it (2, Insightful)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365023)

Far more than minimum wage? How much is 'far more' to you? 10 cents? 50 cents?

Than why do so many Wal Mart employees in California require social assistance to just to scrape by?

Re:I don't get it (5, Insightful)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365085)

Maybe because the cost of living in california is exceedingly high, and even making $65,000/year there is barely enough to live alone without any assistance?

In SF maybe, but not all over Cali (2, Informative)

infonography (566403) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365221)

Last time I lived there I paid $850 for a one bedroom in Mountain View with a back yard. And that was right at the height of the tech boom in 1999.

Walmart isn't a employee friendly company. The reason their employees go on welfare is because they can't get full time work. walmart doesn't want have to pay benefits so there are few full timers.

Re:In SF maybe, but not all over Cali (2, Interesting)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365285)

That's funny, I know more than my fair share of wal-mart employees, and they all work full time. And they're not managers either.

Anecdotal, yes. But it's a fact.

Re:In SF maybe, but not all over Cali (2, Insightful)

notamisfit (995619) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365519)

I've had a few friends do short stints at Wal-Mart after crashing and burning elsewhere, and I got to meet a few of their co-workers. The job really pays about as well as anything else they'd be competent and motivated enough to do. Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.

Re:I don't get it (2, Funny)

Ichijo (607641) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365331)

In California, living alone is is practically a luxury.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365493)

Not for slashdotters.

Employer of Last Resort (2, Interesting)

yintercept (517362) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365137)

"Than why do so many Wal Mart employees in California require social assistance to just to scrape by?"

Walmart is an employer of last resort.

Employers of last resort tend to hire people who are already on the margins. Walmart is more likely to be drawing people from the welfare roles than say Sun Microsystems.

Since Walmart is an employer of last resort there will be a lot more movement between welfare roles and employment than in higher end companies. It is difficult to tell if Walmart is abusing the welfare system.

There are cases where Walmart has shown workers how to use the local welfare system. This appears to be abusive. However, these people are generally the marginalized people who the welfare system is intending to help. Even here it is difficult to say if Walmart is abusing the system. These people in the margins often only work at Walmart for a short spell. Learning about local public services is probably more valuable for them than becoming dependent on a job that they are unlikely to hold for a long period of time.

An employer of last resort will always have a greater give and take with the welfare system. It is a fallacy, however, to assume that companies that hire people off the welfare rolls are evil simply because their ex-employees are more likely to fall back onto the welfare rolls when the job is done.

Re:Employer of Last Resort (1)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365223)

You've got it wrong buddy.

I'm talking about the people who work for walmart that must concurrently receive social assistance.

Taking people off the welfare rolls is awesome ... If that's what walmart is doing.

Paying them so little money that they must work full time AND draw social assistance ... effectively having the taxpayers paying part of wal mart's payroll should be criminal.

It simply prooves that wal mart is 'dumping' products on the market in an anti-competitive way ... they are effectively selling products for less than what they cost and having the taxpayers pick up the bill.

Re:Employer of Last Resort (1)

Bartab (233395) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365691)

Jeez, can you fail to do simple math? Current California minimum wage is $7.50 an hour. A half time employee is earning roughly $600/month at that rate. Not anywhere close to where a single adult can live alone without roomates in the Bay Area. However, contrary to popular belief, Walmart pays -over- the minimum wage, so lets give this theoretical employee an hourly rate of $9/hr, and we're up to $720 a month. A full time employee would be up to $1440/month. Given California tax rates, take home pay will be around $576 and $1152/month. Roughly. Guesstimation in use.

-BUT-

SSI covering both the elderly and the disabled can pay as much as $1700/month. Earned income counts against this amount at a 50% discount, meaning that full time employee receives $980 (1700-1440/2) in SSI payments.

Welfare reform made welfare work roughly the same way, although I don't know exact numbers. Half the amount they earn is counted against their welfare payments, and they continue to receive the balance.

These people are still on public assistance

In fact, on a 40 hour work week an employee must earn at least $21.25 to completely eliminate a maximum SSI payment. Before that point, that person is on public assistance!

Re:Employer of Last Resort (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365829)

Why is the minimum wage set such that somebody working full time at minimum wage should not be able to support themselves. If they cannot support themselves, then either they are not spending their money correctly, or the minimum wage is too low. Is it Walmart's fault that the minimum wage is too low? They are just complying with the law, and try to make their owners happy. Just as any business does. Maybe the minimum wage is not meant to be the wage required to raise a family. Maybe one person living on their own, renting someone else's basement (which is where I find rent is cheapest), can do just fine on minimum wage. Minimum wage is nice so that people don't get completely exploited, but I'm not sure that there should be some requirement that somebody should have to be able to support themselves off minimum wage. What about those, like college kids, teenagers, and people with rich spouses who want to bring in a couple of extra bucks, but want a job with no responsibility. They probably don't have a problem with working for minimum wage.

Re:Employer of Last Resort (3, Insightful)

notamisfit (995619) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365771)

You make a really good point here. I'll just point out that working at Wal-Mart is also in that comfort zone where 'working' generally consists of standing around, operating a cash register, and moving around pallet jacks. I mean, I'm sure there's probably some disaffected underemployed would-be software designers in there somewhere (I'm taking this as an article of faith, I've never *met* any of these), but this isn't exactly high-demand labor. And it's not as if these people are unemployable anywhere else. The jobs they can get might not be as comfortable, or may not be within climate controlled environments, or they may have to load up all of their cheap shit and get on a Greyhound to another town, but there's opportunities out there for those willing to break out of their comfort zone and look for them.

Re:I don't get it (5, Interesting)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365203)

When my girlfriend worked at wal-mart last year she made $8.50/hour, while the minimum wage was $5.15. Before that she worked for a small business downtown which paid her $5.50. Six years ago when I worked at wal-mart they paid me $7.50/hr. So yes, wal-mart does usually pay significantly better than other retail businesses.

Re:I don't get it (0, Flamebait)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365311)

Wow. $8.50

That actually fits right into my 50 cent comment ... here in British Columbia, minimum wage is $8.00 ... and considering how your dollar has lost its value, the exchange rate to canadian is no longer significant.

Re:I don't get it (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365779)

The minimum wage in British Columbia does not affect the fact that $8.50 is significantly more in the US. If you think it should be more, cool. I find it hard to disagree. But that really has no bearing on the topic at hand.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365797)

Yes, it totally fits into your argument. Comparing different currencies across different countries means nothing. 8 is close to 8.5 and that's all you need to know! Moron.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365815)

Wow, $8,50/hour ??? No wonder you have so much crime in the US. I earn the equivalent to $30/hour and think i am underpaid.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Wakkow (52585) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365029)

From what I've read in the past, they would only allow most employees to work just under the "full time" minimum hours so they wouldn't qualify for benefits. Again, this was from an article (probably on slashdot) from long ago, so who knows if it's true or not.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365073)

Wow! Walmart has shills on slashdot too! COOL!

Here are some FACTS about walmart.

Walmart parking lots have a higher crime rate than anywhere else in that area of town.

Walmart drives wages down in areas they go into.

Walmart almost always makes the community pay for the land and building they re in and then coerce the city to hand over the deed to the property.

Walmart is outwardly sexist. Women are looked upon as only good for lower management and floor workers.

Walmart treats employees like shit. If you try to form a union they will fire you and everyone you talked to instead of improving conditions and getting rid of the reasons a union tried to form in the first place.

Walmart has forced unpaid overtime. you will be fired if you do not get 12 hours of work done in your 6 hour day.

I can go on for pages upon pages. Problem is walmart typically causes a drop in the number of jobs in an area 1.5 years after they open as most local stores are closed. you cant sell your $3.95 wares when walmart is selling a cheap china knockoff for $1.99.

working at a grocery store before wal-mart (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365611)

before wal-mart: you could make a living wage and raise kids

after wal-mart: full time jobs are cut down to part time, so that they can cut benefits. its simple. 1 full time worker costs a lot more than 2 part time workers. unions are busted so wages drop. alot of the grocery stores before wal-mart, like albertsons, safeway, etc, had union workers. after wal-mart, the unions are almost dead. why? because wal-mart doesnt have unions. it fires workers who try to start unions. it fires workers who even try to talk about forming a union.

wal-mart doesnt just affect wal-mart, wal-mart has affected every other grocery chain and every other grocery worker by driving down wages, making vast numbers of full-time jobs into a bunch of part-time jobs with few or no benefits, and basically ... i mean...

it is not enough to say 'working at wal-mart is better than working at costco'. you have to compare what working at a big chain retail place was like before wal-mart came, where workers had unions and decent benefits, vs what exists now.

think of it like this. imagine 20 years from now, you are doing the same work you do, but you are making less money. meanwhile, the people that run the company are making more money than 20 years ago. that is what wal-mart has brought to the retail business.

ok. penn and teller can say all the funny stuff they want, but if they actually ever interacted with real workers they would not get away with their nonsense. people who have to work two jobs, people who have to go on WIC or food stamps even while they have a job, etc etc.

and if you are truly a 'geek' i think you would be more than happy to do some research to verify what you heard about walmart.

Re:I don't get it (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365651)

Wal-Mart is despised because, despite being the nation's largest employer, they treat/have treated their employees and neighbors terribly. Wal-Mart has been successfully sued for gross violations of labor laws--not paying employees for time worked, forcing child employees (under 18) to work far more than the law allows, and locking employees into a building overnight. They've also closed down entire stores, simply to punish their employees from forming a union.

It doesn't matter if these are the direct result of the CEO's instructions or a few managers who went too far. The abuses were widespread enough that it's Wal-mart's corporate culture that is to blame. Until they show that they have altered their structure, they deserve the black marks against them.

As for the simple consumer side -- Wal-Mart stocks a stupidly narrow selection, of almost entirely shoddily-made products. This wouldn't be a bad thing, except that they're so cutthroat as to drive places that do have a good selection out of business.

new word? (0, Redundant)

Zashi (992673) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364945)

forway? is that a word?

Did he mean foray? I'm honestly not trying to be a smartass. If forway is a word please share the definition. I like learning new words.

Re:new word? (1)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365007)

The context will tell you it is foray (an initial attempt).

Re:new word? (1)

mapinguari (110030) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365161)

Yes, "foray" was probably intended. However, the archaic "forway [google.com] ," meaning "an error" is actually almost more appropriate.

Obligitory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20364947)

Penn calls BULLSHIT [youtube.com] .

Penn always knocks over strawmen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365091)

I'm a fan of Penn & Teller, but having now watched a couple of their "bullshit" episodes, it's like- c'mon... pick some morons who represent the "other side" and then call them fucktards.

I mean, seriously. You think these two t-shirt manufacturers actually know how to articulate the issue? Or are they just bandwagoning? Do you really think they're fair representatives of Wal-Mart critics? Uh, no.

What's bullshit is that P&T don't have the rocks to take on someone who can put up a legitimate fight.

Than why don't you explain why. . . (0, Flamebait)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365351)

Then why don't you explain why we should try to shut down or otherwise impede the worlds largest retailer. Is it because they give jobs to people you'd rather see on welfare, or because they sell food and clothes to people you'd rather see do without?

I'd say that they represent most of the elitist hippy fucktards I've argued this issue with pretty well. But if you think you can put up a better argument for stomping all over my basic liberties and excluding people from the labor market, be my guest.

Re:Than why don't you explain why. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365465)

Then why don't you explain why we should try to shut down or otherwise impede the worlds largest retailer. Is it because they give jobs to people you'd rather see on welfare,

Walmart has publicly encouraged its employees to go on welfare in order to avoid paying them living wages.

Re:Than why don't you explain why. . . (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365501)

So wal-mart shouldn't provide information to people about PUBLIC services that are available to everyone? I suppose next you're going to tell me that wal-mart shouldn't suggest that people take the bus to work because public transportation is funded by taxpayer money. If you don't want people to use public services, you should shut down the public services, not try to keep them secret. What's wrong with you?

Another Example of G.I.F.T. (2, Interesting)

klenwell (960296) | more than 7 years ago | (#20364977)

(Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory)

Now if they had actually gone to their local Wal-Mart store and defaced that, I'd be more impressed.

I'd be even more impressed if they started hand-crafting their own dorm furniture from self-produced resources instead of just shopping at Target or Ikea instead.

On the larger problem, see today's New York Times article [nytimes.com] on China's (and soon, the world's) environmental problems.

There will always be negative comments (1)

philpalm (952191) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365107)

Here at Slashdot the anomous coward label is the most famous troll here. Basically the Union backed haters will haunt Walmart until they unionize but here at Slashdot there will be the internet snobs vs the internet idiots. Basically anyone hating Slashdot losing their forum, but targets like Walmart keep reappearing trying to gain respectability.

Funny how things like this work out. (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365009)

Most people out there know someone that worked at or works for Walmart. I have never met someone that had anything good to say about working there, yes even higher up district managers.

And if anyone is surprised that a publicity stunt / Advertising trick that intrudes on what many college students think of as their "hallowed ground" of friend networking backfired in such a way that it's incredibly embarrassing, they must be either silly or don't know what they are doing.

That's like Microsoft putting a "tell us how you love Microsoft" section in the middle of a linux community.

The fun part, Let's see if they try it on MySpace and expect a different result.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (4, Interesting)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365061)

The fun part, Let's see if they try it on MySpace and expect a different result.

They might actually have a modicum of success of myspace, unlike Facebook . Facebook users are more socioeconomically advantaged [nytimes.com] than those on MySpace and tend to come from families who emphasize education and going to college, and who end up having higher income than their myspace counterparts.

Simply put, myspace users are more likely to shop at Wal-Mart than Facebook users.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365201)

I'm sure that has alot with facebook's target users. It originally started out as just people with approved college email accounts, then high schools were added. It has only been very recently that anyone with any email address has been able to sign up on facebook.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (2, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365403)

The fun part, Let's see if they try it on MySpace and expect a different result.

They might actually have a modicum of success of myspace, unlike Facebook . Facebook users are more socioeconomically advantaged [nytimes.com] than those on MySpace and tend to come from families who emphasize education and going to college, and who end up having higher income than their myspace counterparts.

Simply put, myspace users are more likely to shop at Wal-Mart than Facebook users.
That was true, and still is, somewhat. But Facebook used to be a gated community.
Now that everyone can join, the class divide is fading rapidly.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (2, Interesting)

alxbtk (1009019) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365637)

OTOH, following your theory, MySpace users are more likely to have an underpaid job at Wal-Mart, giving them even more reasons to complain.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (2, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365293)

And if anyone is surprised that a publicity stunt / Advertising trick that intrudes on what many college students think of as their "hallowed ground" of friend networking backfired in such a way that it's incredibly embarrassing, they must be either silly or don't know what they are doing.

"Hallowed ground"? It's a web site!

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365723)

"Hallowed ground"? It's a web site!

Have you ever tried to spend any time with a teenager that cant get online to log onto myspace or Facebook? It's like being with a heroin addict that cant get their fix.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365335)

Right, because college students are well known for hating Walmart in the way that Linux users hate Microsoft.

Re:Funny how things like this work out. (1)

notamisfit (995619) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365633)

True enough. Wal-Mart is a pretty safe target for those who would categorize its customer base as "white trash". Maybe that's why we don't see Target-bashing.

Funny how opinions work out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365699)

"Most people out there know someone that worked at or works for Walmart. I have never met someone that had anything good to say about working there, yes even higher up district managers."

Well I've been reading slashdot for eight years and if opinions are anything to go by. There's NO business that's good to work for. Corporations. *spit* *spit*

"And if anyone is surprised that a publicity stunt / Advertising trick that intrudes on what many college students think of as their "hallowed ground" of friend networking backfired in such a way that it's incredibly embarrassing, they must be either silly or don't know what they are doing."

Yeah! Like Second Life.

"That's like Microsoft putting a "tell us how you love Microsoft" section in the middle of a linux community."

Or an MS ad on a site popular with geeks. [slashdot.org]

"The fun part, Let's see if they try it on MySpace and expect a different result."

Children will be children.

walmart must be using linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365101)

a second rate os for rip off artists like walmart is poetic and justified.

Halliburton (1, Funny)

PacoTaco (577292) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365115)

Halliburton also has a new web 2.0 site. It helps governments find military contractors to deal with their "acute PR issues."

So... (5, Funny)

g0dsp33d (849253) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365187)

Walmart bursts into a community where its not wanted and people there complain. They must be turning over a new leaf.

Re:So... (1)

BrainInAJar (584756) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365443)

If they weren't actually wanted in the community, the market wouldn't allow it. People wouldn't buy from them, and they would go out of business.

WalMart continues to exist because people continue to vote for them with their dollars. Welcome to capitalism

What the hell was WalMat thinking? (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365363)

If there's a company that has enemies lining up to take them out, it's WalMart. This was guaranteed to backfire just like their fake blog circus. [holtz.com]

Facebook is about rebelion (2, Interesting)

syousef (465911) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365369)

The Facebook college crowd may mostly be out of their teenage years but they're still about rebellion and experimentation (college). Having the "grown ups" come in and be organized and taking over their little corner of the world just annoys them. Our Australian politicians have been trying to use the Net - social network sites (including myspace which does have a teenage bent) and wikipedia. They're quickly realizing that having some old ass politician come in and try and be one of the cool kids is just going to get them trashed. They're about as cool as golf pants. Well some corporations are going throught he same thing. Short of getting younger already cool representation (look at the softdrink companies hiring rock stars) and having a youngster targetted product range, this is what they can continue to expect.

Re:Facebook is about rebelion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365697)

LMAO. Facebook is NOT about REBELLION. It's about as conformist as it gets in Web 2.0 land.

I think Wal-Mart might believe its own propaganda (4, Insightful)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365487)

I think it often happens with organizations that are large enough to be insulated from the world, or that have very active propaganda machines, that they start believing their own propaganda.
And Wal-Mart is probably one of these.
They probably do think that the anti-Wal-Mart people are just a few malcontents, and that for most people, Wal-Mart is the center of happy shiny communities. And so they are probably surprised to learn that among many people, especially the educated, they aren't popular.

Not enough workers available (2, Informative)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365541)

If someone is willing to do work for you for less, why isn't it moral to choose that person?

The alternative to Wal-mart is people starving and dying like in Africa where there is hardly any industry.

Wal-mart isn't forcing people to work at Chinese factories. People are choosing to work there instead of dying of starvation and preventable diseases on the farm.

American workers can easily do other stuff instead of repetitive and boring factory jobs. Plus with the flood of cheap goods less work would be needed. Come on gardeners get paid $50 an hour. You think a factory worker would get anything beyond minimum wage? Also, we currently have a 5% unemployment rate here. Which jobs taht people are currently doing would they have to leave to fill up the shoe making factories? Are you prepared to give up cell phones and great computer software so that you can have shoes made by americans ... americans who could have been designing technology instead?

The world still needs cures for major diseases. There aren't cheap cars of BMW quality. Ferrari performance is not available cheaply yet. Not everyone has a large house, there is mad demand fror pre-fabbed structures so that infrastructure to be built. All of this shows there is a need for products and services .. products and services the world wants .. that Americans can provide.

Do you think China has enough workers to construct all the machinery to develop their infrastructure? I don't think so .. there is already signs of labor shortage emerging in China ..factories are having to provide beter and better incentives for their works (google china labor shortage ) .. just to make products for export.

Re:Not enough workers available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365761)

Wal-mart isn't forcing people to work at Chinese factories. People are choosing to work there instead of dying of starvation and preventable diseases on the farm.
So it's work for walmart or die. I don't see how that's a choice. In fact, I'd call it coercion.

If someone is willing to do work for you for less, why isn't it moral to choose that person?
Because in this case, you'd be exploiting them by paying them wages less than the value of what they produce

Re:Not enough workers available (1)

Malekin (1079147) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365823)

Africa is a continent, not a crisis.

Better source of Info? (5, Interesting)

patently obvious nam (883358) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365549)

One look at the YouTube video confirms that Penn and Teller have no interest in examining the Walmart issue. Might I suggest http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walm art/ [slashdot.org] as a more reputable source? There are so many things wrong and destructive about Walmart that it's hardly worth trying to communicate them. If you can't see it, it can only be because you don't want, or are incapable of believing it.

Customer reviews are only good if you are good (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365577)

If you, as a company, offer good products, good services and most of all good working conditions, Web 2.0 and pages like facebook are your dream. What's a more credible ad than one done by your customers and your workers?

If you don't, you have to be quite stupid to let your customers and your workers talk about your shop...

Corporate Web 2.0 is a dumb idea anyway (3, Funny)

ErichTheRed (39327) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365583)

Every company is now trying to jump on the Web 2.0 bandwagon. It's the equivalent of a guy trying to be cool in a hip. trendy nightclub wearing a pair of plaid golf pants.

It really surprises me that marketing departments don't take one look at the concept of a corporate Facebook page, MySpace page, or Second Life presence and fire the idiot who produced it.

Imagine trying to sell life insurance to a bunch of skater dudes drinking Mountain Dew...that's the success rate this will have.

They chose to work there. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20365603)

Tell me again why unskilled labor should be payed at the same rate as a highly trained, skilled worker? If the pay was the same, what incentive would people have to learn skills and work in a more demanding, higher stress job?

These people chose to work at Wal Mart and knew going into it what the pay was. Its simple economics. Wal Mart pays poorly because they have an abundant pool of workers who are quite willing to work at their pay scale.

Don't like the wages? Take a few night courses and move up. Or just work somewhere else.

Don't like how Wal Mart treats its employees? Don't shop there.

Re:They chose to work there. (1)

patently obvious nam (883358) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365805)

"What incentive would people have to learn skills and work in a more demanding, higher stress job? "

AC's post is ridiculous. Working at these places is a numbing treadmill that would be very difficult for anyone to get off of if they did not have the advantages most slashdoters have probably had.

The most stressful job I have ever had was working at Costco (pretty similar to Walmart, I'm sure.) I took the job as a early morning job during a dry period in my consulting career that coincided with one of those all too humbling "life transitions" (divorce.)

They treat their employees as a disposable commodity. They are probably better to their employees than Walmart (and certainly pay better.) None the less, every day working there was a painful, stressful, insulting, slog. They didn't give a damn about people's potential or their education, training, or capabilities. It was just all about warm bodys moving heavy shit around etc. Get hurt? Too bad. There are other folks who want the job. Working as a web experience consultant for a major worldwide corporation and the associated stress (and 10 times the pay) is far less stressful.

Chad (2, Funny)

jagdish (981925) | more than 7 years ago | (#20365729)

Maybe they should hire Chad [youtube.com] .
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