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Ubuntu Hardy Heron Announced

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the limping-llama-still-to-come dept.

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Jono Bacon, Community Manager for Ubuntu, has announced development on the next version of the popular Linux distribution name "Hardy Heron". "Not only will the Ubuntu community continue to do what it does best, produce an easy-to-use, reliable, free software platform, but this release will proudly wear the badge of Long Term Support (LTS) and be supported with security updates for five years on the server and three years on the desktop. We look forward to releasing the Hardy Heron in April 2008."

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I guess they were scared of copyright issues... (5, Funny)

The Orange Mage (1057436) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401481)

...because I would have loved to see a Hungry Hippo release.

Re:I guess they were scared of copyright issues... (1)

JimMarch(equalccw) (710249) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401683)

Meh. We'll still call it that :). But what's next? Ignoble Iguana?

Re:I guess they were scared of copyright issues... (4, Funny)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401741)

Meh. We'll still call it that :). But what's next? Ignoble Iguana?

Bleeding Beaver, Timid TubeSnake, Leaping Lemming...

Re:I guess they were scared of copyright issues... (4, Funny)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401703)

That's reserved for the next version of Windows.

Kinda dirty? (1, Funny)

kidcharles (908072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401523)

I've got a dirty mind, but this name conjures up images of a sex-crazed bird terrorizing his native wetlands.

Re:Kinda dirty? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401561)

"Hardy" doesn't mean "hard".

Or, for all you "Look at my 1337 hello.c!" dweebs, "hardy" != "hard".

Re:Kinda dirty? (4, Funny)

kidcharles (908072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401715)

Well, "hardy" does not literally mean "hard," but it sounds like perhaps a nickname about a heron with a constant erec...wait, why am I explaining myself to a cranky, humorless AC?

Re:Kinda dirty? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401781)

Now I'll start calling myself Cranky Coward!

Re:Kinda dirty? (3, Funny)

bazorg (911295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401659)

well I was hoping that the "H" release would be Horny ______

Re:Kinda dirty? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402031)

I'm sure most people will end up calling it "Horny Heron" at some point. I'm sure...

you dirty, dirty boy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401813)

The shrink in me thinks you're mixing the two words... "Hardy Heron"

You dirty, dirty boy! /sarcasm

Re:Kinda dirty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402131)

I'll terrorize your mom's native wetlands ;)

Silly (4, Insightful)

hhlost (757118) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401533)

Apart from being silly, the code names add confusion to Ubuntu's already-confusing version numbering system.

And hurts Ubuntu (5, Insightful)

ACS Solver (1068112) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401591)

I've said it before and say it again... these silly names are hurting Ubuntu. When you need to convince a boss that installing Ubuntu on office computers is the way to go, you'd need a more professional sounding name. "Windows XP" or "BeOS 5" sounds fine. But "Ubuntu Hardy Heron" does not. Sure you can use the 7.10 number, but it seems that the Ubuntu community prefers not to use the numbers, and these silly names actually crop up within the OS more.

Re:And hurts Ubuntu (5, Interesting)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401789)

> Sure you can use the 7.10 number

They do. On the front page of ubuntu.com. The only place I know of where they show up programmatically is in sources.list.

Anyway, corporate only cares when they're reselling. You saying it's hurting Ubuntu doesn't present any actual evidence that it is, and the bald assertion is hardly new or insightful.

Re:And hurts Ubuntu (5, Informative)

hhlost (757118) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401951)

I develop a medical database that requires a server to be installed locally, for security reasons. I try to convince the hospitals to let me use Ubuntu instead of MS Windows for obvious reasons, but so far have been unsuccessful. My latest attempt was thwarted, at least in part, when the IT staff had a good laugh at the "Feisty Fawn" name.

Re:And hurts Ubuntu (2, Insightful)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402025)

I'm inclined to agree with the other respondent: the problem was not the name.

Why Ubuntu on the server anyway? For support? Vanilla debian would do just as well otherwise.

Re:And hurts Ubuntu (0, Flamebait)

solevita (967690) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401837)

the Ubuntu community
The "Ubuntu community", whoever that vague generalisation applies to, is not in your office. If you don't like the code names used for Ubuntu releases, why not use the version number? If your whole argument fails because someone else uses a different, perhaps silly, name for the software you want to install, then maybe your argument wasn't particularly strong in the first place. But you can always blame the naming for your failures...

Re:And hurts Ubuntu (0, Troll)

quanticle (843097) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402155)

How is "Gutsy Gibbon" or "Feisty Fawn" more silly than "Longhorn" or "Whistler" or "Blackcomb" ?

Re:And hurts Ubuntu (1)

somegeekynick (1011759) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402183)

Well, when talking to your boss, don't use the code name. If you're boss is already a member of the Ubuntu community, then I see no problem at all.

Re:Silly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401619)

Apart from being silly, the code names add confusion to Ubuntu's already-confusing version numbering system.
Yeah ... Ubuntu [year.month] version number is insanely confusing. They should do something like Micro$oft: Windows XP Build 2600.02340523042.SP1.04234.

Fucking retard.

Re:Silly (2, Interesting)

hhlost (757118) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401691)

It's confusing because I'm retarded. Wait, no I'm not. It's confusing because I expect version numbers to go up one at a time. Windows XP is actually Windows NT 5.1, which came after Windows NT 5.0 (Windows 2000).

Re:Silly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401839)

It's confusing because I'm retarded. Wait, no I'm not. It's confusing because I expect version numbers to go up one at a time. Windows XP is actually Windows NT 5.1, which came after Windows NT 5.0 (Windows 2000).
Let's see, here [wikipedia.org] is a detailed list.

Warty, 4.10
Hoary, 5.04
Breezy, 5.10
Dapper, 6.06
Edgy, 6.10
Feisty, 7.04
Gutsy, 7.10
Homo, 8.04

Notice something very strange? The first version number is the lowest. Second is a tad bit higher and so on, with latest being the highest version number. Strange concept eh?

Now tell me, what the fuck is different from this numbering scheme compared to some Windows 3.1, 3.5, 4.0, 5.0, 5.1 and so on?

Nothing. The fact that you put (Windows 2000) in parenthesis along with 5.0 beside it, indicates that you are confused. You are trying to point out a confusing (according to you) version scheme with ... get this ... another confusing version scheme.

And that's why you are a fucking retard.

Re:Silly (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402137)

You realize Ubuntu did'nt make up this system, right? Ever hear of Longhorn? MS, and pretty much every development shop in the known universe, uses code names too, no sane person would say let's install Dapper Drake! They'd say Ubuntu 6.06 (or just 6, or just UBUNTU)

Re:Silly (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402067)

They should do something like Micro$oft: Windows XP Build 2600.02340523042.SP1.04234.
That makes complete sense and is easy to understand. I can't grasp how Ubuntu can go from 6.10 to 7.04 in just six months. It's doesn't make any sense, there doesn't appear to be any logic to it.

Re:Silly (4, Informative)

HomerJ (11142) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401651)

There's an argument to be made for the goofy "code names". However, they are just that, code names. As far as version numbers, they make about as much sense as any. Higher versions get bigger numbers. 8.04 is a later version than 7.04. 7.10 is going to be a later version than 7.04, but behind 8.04.

What exactly is so confusing about it?

Re:Silly (2, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401805)

Because the usage is inconstant. One person may say "I'm using Feisty". Someone else may say, "I'm using 7.10". To the casual user, there is no obvious relationship or distinction between the two names.

And really, some people talk about 7.04 and 7.10 as if they are different major releases. But the numbering scheme suggests that 7.10 is only a minor release. And the two releases have different 'Code names', which makes it seem like there is a major difference between the two. That's confusing.

Re:Silly (3, Informative)

hhlost (757118) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401877)

Ok, perhaps "non-standard" would have been a better term. And I really should have left the already-confusing part out, because my real concern is that, as someone posted above, convincing someone that the best platform for their needs is "Hardy Heron" in a professional environment is difficult, and embarrassing. Linux has the reputation of being usable only by teenage computer geeks and this does not help. Yes it's a code name, but it's used in public much more than most code names, and regardless, there's no reason for them to be increasingly ridiculous.

Re:Silly (0)

pebs (654334) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401753)

Apart from being silly, the code names add confusion to Ubuntu's already-confusing version numbering system.

How is the version numbering system confusing? It's year followed by month it was released (Y.MM). How can that possibly be confusing?

Re:Silly (5, Insightful)

ianare (1132971) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401875)

The version numbers are actually quite logical - first number = year, second number = month. So 7.10 means october 2007, 8.04 means april 2008. It actually makes more sense than a lot of other software release numbers.
As far as the code names, well they are silly, but silly can be good. All too often we take ourselves a little too seriously. If you're pitching it to the boss (who is very much against silliness - the stupid bastard), then go by: Linux Operating System Long Term Support edition v 8.04 or something like that ...

Re:Silly (1)

qweqwe321 (1097441) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401911)

Higher version number means it's a newer version, plus it also indicates the month and year of release. Thus, Dapper Drake 6.06 was released in June of 2006, Edgy Eft 6.10 is October 2006, Feisty Fawn 7.04 is April '07, etc.

Re:Silly (4, Insightful)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401979)

I think the code names are intended to be pre-release--once released the code name is officially dropped for a version number (though the code name is unofficially retained by most users including myself). "Silly" or otherwise unusual code names are common in the technology world--My personal favorite is Apple's internal names for the Power Mac 7100 [wikipedia.org].

Ubuntu's version number system is very simple, straightforward, and understandable--it consists of two numbers taken from the date of the release it is applied to: [year].[month]. Very simple, huh?

In Ubuntu's case, it is wise for them to use a code name prior to release, given their version number system, because a any delays could render the version number less meaningful (the author notes that Ubuntu uses a predictable release pattern with new releases every 6 months, but I think the makers of Ubuntu are being cautious because everyone knows delays can occur).

Runner Up (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401535)

So much for Ubuntu "Horny Homo". Just kidding, I'll still call it that.

Second Runner Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401579)

I guess Hardly Heroin wasn't an option.

Mint (0, Offtopic)

desenz (687520) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401539)

On a semi-related note, I've come to like Linux Mint. Its built on Ubuntu and includes some non-free packages(Video codecs, MP3 support, so forth). Also has some of its own config tools which are alright. Not perfect though, I had a little trouble with dual monitor support. Overall, its a pretty nice distro.

Hope they get it right this time (2, Interesting)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401547)

Yeah, I already know this is going to -1 hell. I don't care. I'll keep it short at least.

I tried to install the AMD 64-bit version of Feisty, and the CD wouldn't even boot. None of my hardware is exotic by any stretch of the imagination, yet the GUI installer wouldn't even load. A few inquiries on the Ubuntu forums got a few suggestions to try the non-GUI install. I don't feel I should have to slog through a text install in the year 2007, so I didn't give Feisty a second thought.

I'll try Hardy, but it better work out of the box. It's hard to promote a distribution to friends when the damn thing couldn't even boot as a live CD.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

hhlost (757118) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401621)

Yes, my experience was that 7.04 wasn't quite 64-bit ready. Try the 32-bit version, which will run just fine on an AMD 64-bit processor.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

desenz (687520) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401641)

I had the same problem. I had to go to the text mode installer, or I got strange colored lines. Maybe like a refresh rate was way out there or something.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (3, Interesting)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401673)

What were you trying to install on? There are several problems on laptops that can be solved with a bootline option or two (I had to do this on an amd64 HP lappy).

When you say AMD64 and not exotic in the same sentence, you're kidding yourself btw. Nothing has shaken out as standard in the chipsets or BIOS's yet. That's why you have a little tweaky tweaky (esp since there are some MANY damned broken BIOS's out there).

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401879)

I've had a 64 bit AMD processor for almost 2 years now. Cheap-ass no-name motherboard. And I've had Fedora Core running on it for damn near that long, no tweaking.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401999)

And I've got Ubuntu running on mine with a bootline tweak, but Fedora 7 wouldn't boot. Go figure, just like I was saying, things aren't standard on 64 bit platforms, broken apic's is the biggest problem I've come across.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (4, Informative)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402145)

Your information is out-of-date. AMD64 has been around since April 2003, and Windows/Linux has been working on since before it left the factory. Actually, all AMD motherboards since that time are 64-bit, even if nobody runs the 64-bit OS's.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

d0rp (888607) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401679)

I tried to install the AMD 64-bit version of Feisty, and the CD wouldn't even boot. None of my hardware is exotic by any stretch of the imagination, yet the GUI installer wouldn't even load. A few inquiries on the Ubuntu forums got a few suggestions to try the non-GUI install. I don't feel I should have to slog through a text install in the year 2007, so I didn't give Feisty a second thought.
I had the same problem. Apparently it has something to do with the drivers for the bootloader/framebuffer with certain graphics cards. Even if you did get it installed, you'd have to manually disable the nifty graphical loading screen because that wouldn't work either.

At this point, you'd still want the 32-bit version anywhere because certain things just won't work, you'll have to install separate 32-bit versions of some software, and the driver support just isn't there yet (though that goes for Windows as well).

On another note, have they announced when Gutsy is going to be released? Because if they did, I must have missed it.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401851)

Fairly untrue. I have full hardware support, just a broken bios. The only thing I have a "separate" version of is Firefox, so I can run flash. Everything else works just fine as 32 bit packages on a 64 bit distro through compatibility libraries (ia32 I want to say, but I don't have my installed package list in front of me as I'm on my Windblows box at work).

Re:Hope they get it right this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401727)

I've tried to install Ubuntu many times. I spent hours on it and never could wireless networking to work. I gave it another shot with Feisty and it just locked up. Has anybody figured out out to get wireless networking to work with Ubuntu?

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401801)

Why don't you try Gutsy Gibbon (available now but only as Alpha - Tribe 5, released in October) before waiting almost 7 months or more for Hardy Heron.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401861)

don't matter, I haven't tried the GUI install on several PC's since 6.xx it has been broken on the 64 bit AND 32 bit side for a while for some hardware combinations. Specifically with older Nvidia cards for some reason. But I have seen the problem on a machine without nvidia and still require CLI install.

x64 worked for me (1)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401899)

I'm not saying it's your fault, or you must be wrong, or anything like that, but I installed Feisty on my AMD x64 machine, and it worked just fine. The graphical installer worked fine. Firefox and flash worked fine. So although you've clearly experienced a problem, it's not a problem with all x64 systems, and it may not even be an x64-related issue at all. BTW, if the CD wouldn't boot, one thing to check would be the checksum on the ISO file, if you downloaded it.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

Chysn (898420) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401923)

Well, you're not alone, so I can't see anyone sending you to -1 hell. After happily running Red Hat on my web server for years, I decided to try Desktop (er... Laptop) Linux with Ubuntu Fiesty. I was able to get it working properly on my Lenovo R60e, but I ran into some problems (wireless network not working out-of-the-box, for one thing) that I was able to solve at the command line. Somebody without years of prior Linux experience may have given up on the thing.

There would be a few barriers for me replacing Windows XP entirely: my internal microphone still doesn't work. I can't watch DVDs (apparently it's against the law to watch DVDs on Linux. Literally against the law, if you can imagine). Bluefish sucks. There doesn't appear to be a decent Subversion client. In due time I'll sort these things out and complete my migration. But is Ubuntu a mature desktop force? Not yet.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

xra (1021817) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402101)

Maybe not for you, but Ubuntu is a mature desktop force for me. Everything I want work perfectly. I can watch DVDs since I don't live in a country where it's not against the law to watch DVDs on Linux.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402089)

Some users are helped by pressing f6 at the menu and adding "noacpi" (sans quotes) as a boot option.

But don't bother trying that or even HH for that matter, because from your attitude and tone I can tell that you'll just be a drag on the community's resources and patience any way. Instead of having us waste our time holding your hand to make what "better work" for you work, why don't you just stick with M$ where you can have things that you paid for not work due to unacknowledged bugs, incompetence and DRM restrictions.

I mean come on dude, you have to at least meet us half way on occasion. I shouldn't have to slog through an ocean of morons in the year 2007, but here I am... reading /. ... again.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402115)

Slog through a text install? If you can get over the fact that it's not graphical, you'd realize that it's not only just as easy -- it's the right tool for the job. It's clean, fast, and it just plain works. Why over-engineer it? You're talking about installing an operating system, not an application.

I'll also point out that even the Windows install is "text mode" all the way through the partitioning, formatting, and copying files stages. Why isn't anyone complaining about that?

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402121)

yeah I have had very mixed results with Linux. Depending on my system, some work, some don't, and some work sort of. My old school Dell 4200 (P3800, etc...) could not run any Ubuntu. It could run Xandros, Mepis (forget spelling), and a few others. My new system (C2D 4200, ok that is a bit weird.. anyway..) could run the LIVE version of Fawn, however when I would try and actually install it, it would not boot (ok it would boot, the OS just wouldn't load). However I had a hard drive failure and for like 2 weeks had no hard drive I could use, so I used my new computer sans HD using just the Live CD which was a bit of a life saver as at least I could do email and web stuff that way. I had to watch that I didn't eat up all my memory, otherwise I would have to reboot and lose some stuff. Anyway we shall see how "Hardy" this new version is. I had the most luck with Xandros personally.

The two things about Linux of any flavor is until they get thing running so it pretty much just works, it won't garner widespread acceptance. I know a bit about computers, and even I say forget it after mucking around for a couple of days. Sure there is online help and fourms, but not everyone has a computer lab setup at home (not to mention that while the advice generally I found to be good, there was a problems of old solutions to old problems). The second thing is programs, specifically computer games and compatibility. Sure there are work arounds, wine, cedgera, Linux versions, etc... but if I have to mess around with it for days, just to achieve partial compatibility... well nuts to that. It ain't gonna happen. I do like what Ubuntu is doing though, they seem more "together" than most. An intrinsic problem with open source development I would guess, no focus mostly. Anyway I will certainly try it out, however it will probably join my growing pile of various Linux distros and all their various versions, gathering dust in my desk (off the top of my head, 2 or 3 versions of Knoppix, 2 of Xandros, Damn Small, two version of Gentoo, 3 versions of Mepis, 3 versions of Ubuntu, PC Linux, Slax, there might be a few more, but I can't remember them.

Re:Hope they get it right this time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402159)

I'll try Hardy, but it better work out of the box

Lets just hope they didn't name it after the Hardy Boys [wikipedia.org] and you have to be a detective to figure it out...

-mcgrew [kuro5hin.org]

Re:Hope they get it right this time (1)

cerelib (903469) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402187)

I'm curious. Did you check the integrity of the download with the SHA/MD5 checksums provided for the download before burning it to media? Also, did you happen to try the "Alternate Install" CD as well?

I parsed it as "Hearty Heroin"... (2, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401549)

I always knew the FSF crowd were on some good drugs...

Re:I parsed it as "Hearty Heroin"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401907)

Ubuntu is not the FSF.

Before the site is slashdotted... (2, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401551)

Introducing the Hardy Heron
August 29th, 2007

I am delighted to have the pleasure of announcing the Hardy Heron (Ubuntu 8.04), the next version of Ubuntu that will succeed Gutsy Gibbon (Ubuntu 7.10, due for release in October 2007). Not only will the Ubuntu community continue to do what it does best, produce an easy-to-use, reliable, free software platform, but this release will proudly wear the badge of Long Term Support (LTS) and be supported with security updates for five years on the server and three years on the desktop. We look forward to releasing the Hardy Heron in April 2008.

With the opening of each new release cycle of Ubuntu, we have more and more opportunity at our fingertips. Not only are our friends in the upstream world constantly innovating and extending their applications and software, but the Ubuntu community continues to see incredible growth in its diverse range of areas such as packaging, development, documentation, quality assurance, translations, LoCo teams and more. Each new release gives us all an opportunity to shine, irrespective of which bricks in the project we are laying, and this is at the heart of our belief - working together to produce an Operating System that will empower its users and shape the IT industry, putting free software at the corner-stone of our direction.

Most people only ever see the end-user view of Ubuntu, running it on their desktops, servers and mobile devices around the world. For these users, Ubuntu provides a simple, convenient means to do what they want to do easily, effectively and without unnecessary complexity. For many of us though, we want to open up the hood and understand how the system works and how to extend and grow it. Thousands of us get out of bed every day, united behind Ubuntu, ready to make a difference, working together to make our vision happen.

Importantly, our ethos of collaboration and freedom extends to the development process as well as the end product. As such, the Ubuntu development process is a very open, transparent one, and anyone is welcome to get involved. It works like this:

        * Everyone is welcome to think of and develop ideas for features that could be present in the Hardy Heron release. These ideas are written as specifications (detailed documents outlining how the idea would work and be implemented). You are welcome to add your specifications to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu [launchpad.net].
        * In October 2007, we will hold the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA and generate a schedule of sessions to discuss these specifications. The sessions provide a means for interested parties to help scope out the proposed feature and determine methods and plans to implement it. The Ubuntu Developer Summit is a semi-virtual event in which those who cannot attend can dial in with VoIP and use IRC and collaborative editing with Gobby to take part in the summit.

Everyone is welcome to participate, everyone is welcome to get involved, and everyone is welcome to help shape the form of the Hardy Heron. Let's work together to shake things up, make things happen and make the most compelling Ubuntu release yet. Start your engines...

Reminds me of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401623)

"Happy Harry Hard On" from the movie Pump Up The Volume. Yeah Boss we need to install Happy Harry Hard On.

Spoonerish (5, Funny)

minginqunt (225413) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401649)

Ubuntu Hairy Hardo... I mean, er, Hardy Heron, was announced today to much polite coughing.

Re:Spoonerish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401857)

*gigglesnortcoffeesquirt* You owe me a keyboard.

One question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401665)

Will this be the version on Ubuntu production servers, or are they going to run old, vulnerable version on them so people can compromise them?

LOL They would be better off running Windows 2003 Server.

Stop with the names already! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401681)

"Hardy Heron"

This is one thing that drives me crazy about Ubuntu... these names are elitist and completely unintuitive. There is no obvious relationship between the version numbers and the names.

Somebody on the forums many mention a solution for "Feisty", but a new Ubuntu user may not understand that the solution will work on 7.0x, but WON'T WORK on Ubuntu 6.06. In order to know that "Feisty Fawn" is Ubuntu 7.0something, I have to know Ubuntu, dig around unmaintained Wikis, look it up on Wikipedia. I shouldn't need to waste this time-- I just need to get the damn thing working.

For example, do you see the phrase "Feisty Fawn" or "Gutsy whatever" listed anywhere on the top level support sites at ubuntu.com? No. Why not?

https://help.ubuntu.com/ [ubuntu.com]
http://www.ubuntu.com/ [ubuntu.com]

Somewhere, deep in the document ion you may find a map of Names-to-versions. But if you need a map just to achieve step one, your documentation has failed.

Re:Stop with the names already! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401799)

And Windows XP is related to what exactly as a version name?

Re:Stop with the names already! (2, Informative)

Random832 (694525) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401905)

This is one thing that drives me crazy about Ubuntu... these names are elitist and completely unintuitive. There is no obvious relationship between the version numbers and the names.
Well, at least recently they collate in the same order

Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
Ubuntu 6.04 (Dapper Drake)
Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon)

Re:Stop with the names already! (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402175)

What happened to the "C" version? And was there ever an "A" version?

Also, what will they do when they hit "Q"?

Re:Stop with the names already! (1)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402079)

Here's a collection of the code names matched up with version numbers (though, as already pointed out, the fact that the code names slowly move up the alphabet is a pretty good indicator):

Re:Stop with the names already! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20402165)

If by elitist you mean lame, then yes, I agree. Personally I was sorry they scrapped Ubuntu 5.20, the Crusty Crotch...

Apparmor rules (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401717)

I don't care what anyone with a clue says about path-based security, ubuntu developers know best!

That and the inclusion of mono basically remove it from serious consideration.

Nah (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401729)

I think I'll hold out for "Incontinent Iguana."

Relevant news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401791)

Are we now getting update information of the new code names of all open source projects on Slashdot?

Good Test Case (1)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401811)

This is interesting news about the "Long Term Support" thing. If they can pull it off, then it will be a major step forward. However....3-5 years? Most distros only have their spot in the sun for 2-3 years. I guess this is their attempt to break that trend.

Re:Good Test Case (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401901)

6.06 is already a LTS release. Same terms.

Re:Good Test Case (2, Interesting)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402103)

One major difference. Redhad has money and corporate customers behind it. They can pay for employees to continue support it 5-7 years out. Even Microsoft says after 5 years its not worth spending the money...and if they wanted to plenty of businesses would PAY to have the support extended.

Ubuntu 6.06 is only ~1.5 years old. Only halfway there. Kind of remains to be seen if they can pull it off....especially with MULTIPLE LTS products in cycle. Under their plan to release a new LTS every 2 years, they will have three products in support cycle at a time.

Re:Good Test Case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401955)

Red Hat support is currently 7 years from release date. 3-5 years sounds reasonable, and is likely a realistsic business compromise for an attempt at competeing with 7 year support.

Re:Good Test Case (1)

ianare (1132971) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402129)

It's not uncommon for a server to keep on running without ever needing a complete system update for 5 years. We have a few mandrake 9 (released in 2002) machines that are running just fine, but it would be nice to have security updates and such for them.
Also, I think RedHat has 5 year support on their servers as well.

Misread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401843)

Anyone else read it as "Hardly Heroin"?

where is this naming convention going? (1)

Boigaz (789379) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401849)

insolent iguana jealous jackal etc. u... u... u... unbecoming umbrellabird seriously, there are very few animals that begin with u. this will end in tears

WHY IS THIS SUBJECT UNDERLINED? (-1, Offtopic)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401863)

Seriously. They look sorta like links, but the underline disappears on mouseover. No other article's comments are like that. WTF Malda?

Re:WHY IS THIS SUBJECT UNDERLINED? (1)

Random832 (694525) | more than 6 years ago | (#20401985)

They are links. Have you tried clicking them? (and, underlines on links disappearing on mouseover has been a common design feature of websites for, like, the past five years)

Re:WHY IS THIS SUBJECT UNDERLINED? (0, Flamebait)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 6 years ago | (#20402197)

Gosh, no, it never occurred to me to try clicking on them. *rolls eyes*

They ain't no links on my damn FireFox. What are they links to, genius? What does the status bar say when you hover on 'em? What website does it take you to? How come no other article has fake-link underlines on the subjects of every comment?

Tell me, Random832, do you have a blog or something I could read? I bet you make entertaining dumb-ass observations like this all the time. I bet you go to the grocery store and see people eating grapes without paying for them, and then you go home and write a hand-wringing blogpost about how the rule of law is crumbling around us.

Next up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20401903)

Idiomatic Inanity?
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