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Thieves Hacking Security Cameras?

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the steal-from-home dept.

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The FBI is investigating fifteen store robberies in eleven states, committed via phone and internet. The perpetrators hack the store's security system so they can observe their victims. They then make customers take their clothes off and get the store to wire money. From the article, "A telephone caller making a bomb threat to a Hutchinson, Kan., grocery store kept more than 100 people hostage, demanding they disrobe and that the store wire money to his bank account. ... officials were investigating whether the caller was out of state and may have hacked into the store's security system. "If they can access the Internet, they can get to anything," Hutchinson Police Chief Dick Heitschmidt said. "Anyone in the whole world could have access, if that's what really happened.""

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Dumber than dumb (4, Insightful)

BobTheLawyer (692026) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409759)

Has there ever been a more stupid quote than:

"If they can access the Internet, they can get to anything," Hutchinson Police Chief Dick Heitschmidt said. "Anyone in the whole world could have access, if that's what really happened."

Re:Dumber than dumb (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409789)

Not TOO far from the truth. Often the security cameras are accessible to anyone with a browser and without password protection or with a password that's ridiculously easy to guess.

Re:Dumber than dumb (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409819)

I saw this on a security camera once. --- A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married - and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him. As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd - a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist. I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud. Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract? I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does. I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss. I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom. I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process. I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

Re:Dumber than dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409831)

Who but an Moron would comply ?

Certainly if some $ 4.00 an hour security guard moron tells me that I must remain, I wold beat his Brains it if he tries to stop me from leaving
You've really got to be pretty stupid to comply
Think about it!
Just leave the store Period !

Re:Dumber than dumb (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410759)

Who but an Moron would comply ?

A nudist who's glad to have a good excuse this time? :-)

Re:Dumber than dumb (5, Funny)

lordofthechia (598872) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411169)

From the article (Piro is the manager)....

"He then demanded that one of Piros' fingers be cut off for every hour his demands were not met, and another employee got a butcher knife on his orders"

Anybody wanna take bets on who was the first person fired after this incident?

Re:Dumber than dumb (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409953)

We need to get that on T-shirts. Black T-shirts. Just to scare non-techs.

Re:Dumber than dumb (5, Interesting)

KudyardRipling (1063612) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409961)

This is called a JURY POOL TAINTING STATEMENT. It is designed to predispose those eligible for jury service in the jurisdictions involved to convict by using the element of fear and terror. Whenever a statement made by law enforcement officials about an alleged criminal act is broadcast, it should be quoted in the voir dire process to screen out the rubberstampers. These are defined as those who (are carefully instructed to) worry about wives, kids, homes, SUV's entertainment systems, 401k's vacations, etc. Since the media as an institution is presumed diligent in publishing such statements, there is a presumption of contamination on the part of the jury pool. That is why one of the boilerplate questions asked by the parties in court deals with this issue of media contaminating his/her worldview or view of the defendant.

Those who have a place in the system have no place in a jury.

Re:Dumber than dumb (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410755)

Whenever a statement made by law enforcement officials about an alleged criminal act is broadcast, it should be quoted in the voir dire process to screen out the rubberstampers.
Even if LE watched their tongues, the media would fill in the gaps for them. They bury an "allegedly" in the text and now it's free reign to spout whatever they want, really.

"Innocent until proven guilty" has long been gone from the mob vigilante justice world of public opinion. God help you if you're ever accused of anything.

Re:Dumber than dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20411349)

That's nothing. Texas is going to execute a man for being an accomplice to a murder. He was 80+ ft away when it happened and it wasn't planned (robbery). So now we're killing people simply for being there. It's gone from "an eye for an eye" to "an eye for a toe". Justice in this country is turning into terrorism.

Re:Dumber than dumb (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410085)

Exactly what I thought. It's complete scare-mongering if you take it as it is written. It either reads as "if hackers can access the Internet then they can get to anything" which is scare-mongering over what hackers can do, or "if these cameras have a link to the Internet then the cameras can get to anything", which is complete garbage.

What he really means is that "if the cameras have a an insecure link to the Internet then people can exploit them, just like how if a house has an insecure link to the street (e.g. an unlocked door, or a door with the keys in, or a door that needs a standard allen key to open) then the house can be entered and exploited/robbed/used".

Ahhh, the many joys of getting technology anywhere near law enforcement and the government!

Re:Dumber than dumb (4, Funny)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410117)

Has there ever been a more stupid quote than:
"If they can access the Internet, they can get to anything," Hutchinson Police Chief Dick Heitschmidt said. "Anyone in the whole world could have access, if that's what really happened."


Yes. I think "No, it's not loaded! Here, I'll prove it to you!" beats it.

Re:Dumber than dumb (2, Informative)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410513)

"No, it's not loaded! Here, I'll prove it to you!"


If only we could get Police Chief Dick Heitschmidt to say that as well ;)

Re:Dumber than dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410529)

Yes, yes there is:

An unidentified man called a Newport Wal-Mart on Tuesday morning, saying he had a bomb and would harm employees. He also demanded that workers transfer $10,000 to an account, said Newport Police Sgt. James Quinn. The store wired the money, Quinn said.

That's all it takes to make $10,000??? I think I will be expanding my retirement account this afternoon... Shhhhhhh

LOL WUT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409761)

What kind of retarded security system puts the live security cameras on the internet? It's like a bad Holywood plot. I'm not buying it.

Re:LOL WUT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410493)

What kind of retarded security system puts the live security cameras on the internet? It's like a bad Holywood plot. I'm not buying it.

Of course you're not buying it. You get it through BitTorrent. :-)

Duh (1, Informative)

nlitement (1098451) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409775)

It's called "Google hacking", you do it by searching with secret undergound hacker keywords and finding open remote camera viewer applets. Some applets even let you control the camera.

Re:Duh (0, Offtopic)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410179)

You wouldn't happen to know the "secret undergound hacker keywords" to the womens locker room would you, I've tried everything but the free webcam links I find seem to be in some kind of loop that requires either a reboot or a real credit card number to exit. Every time it happens I have to spend hours on the phone with the stupid internet managers at the phone company who think my machine runs some DoS program. I told them I run Linux too and they said it means "denial of service", I stood up to them and said that was unconstitutional and they backed down and said if I reinstall everything they will let me have my old account and email address. /desperate & dateless

Re:Duh (4, Funny)

CmdrGravy (645153) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410383)

Have you tried

"Hi, I am ze plumber. I haf com to examine ze pipework, ver can I place my tooool ? It is ver huge and I can't keep it in here much longer"

Re:Duh (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410361)

Mostly it's incompetent IT and store managers that have installed panasonic IP cameras and left them not only wide open but on the internet because the store managers are retarted and want to spend their life watching the employees.

ALL of this stuff goes right back to raging incompetence. It's incredible how little these stores pay for IT, I had to teach the IT specialists for Walmart how to do basic networking when we were helping a client set up their network for their restaurant inside a new walmart store. The Walmart head of networking, or so he claimed to be, told me it was impossible to tunnel IP traffic safely through a network, no. he did not understand what a VPN was and then told me that VPN is not allowed as it's insecure and unencrypted!.... and then I had to hold their hands and show them how easy is really is to patch a phone line to a cat 5 jack in the phone room. Their network engineer told me flat out that DSL will not work over cat-5e cable. "The phone company uses Cat6 to your house!" is what he said. I was amazed at how undereducated these IT and networking people were.

With that kind of incompetence due to very low pay, it does not surprise me that security cameras are put on the net directly.

Re:Duh (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410891)

That's no wonder. What happens here is the combination of some unhealthy factors.

1. The cheapest guy gets the job. Now, the cheapest is never the best, and rarely even good enough to actually do it good.
2. As soon as it "works", stop working on it. As soon as the picture somehow appears on the screen of the manager, he's satisfied. He does not care about whether someone else can see it. If he is, his wannabe-admin will lie to him because he'd have to fix it in his (unpaid) overtime and the manager can't test it anyway.
3. The admin does not care. Even if he did (and why the hell should he?), he cannot. He does not know what dangers lurk in the shadows. He goes by try and error to patch the thing together somehow, i.e. he runs into an error, copy/pastes the error message into Google and goes from there.

YOU FUCKING LOVE IT (5, Interesting)

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Re:Duh (1)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411351)

someone should mod you up.

Yep and this is very old news. I recall when the thing originally came out I tried a few links and was looking at Japanese Streets, stores and vets offices. Not to mention someones living room. The best one was some old folks home where they had the camera set up that you could zoom into each room in the buildings across the street and actually read the papers people were reading.

Less to do with hacking and more do with people using technology they have no idea how to set up to be private.

Voyeurism + Crank Calls = Profit (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409783)

/b/ does robbery.

Now THAT'S what I call social engineering.

"wire money to his bank account"? (4, Interesting)

TheLink (130905) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409799)

Can't they follow the money trail from there?

Strange.

Re:"wire money to his bank account"? (5, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409877)

That depends on what country the bank account is in. In some countries, bank accounts can't necessarily be tracked back to the owner, they are secured only by a really, really fscking long account number.

Re:"wire money to his bank account"? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410251)

That depends on what country the bank account is in. In some countries, bank accounts can't necessarily be tracked back to the owner, they are secured only by a really, really fscking long account number.

In civilized countries, bank accounts are always tracked back to the owner. Even in Switzerland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, etc. They are required to do so by the FATF and the OECD.

Whether the bank will cooperate is another story. Swiss banks will cooperate in cases of serious crime, if the offense is a crime in Switzerland. This case sounds like it would be a crime in Switzerland.

However, tax evasion is not a serious crime in Switzerland, so a Swiss bank will not cooperate when investigating tax evasion. This is one reason Swiss banks are so popular with foreigners.

Re:"wire money to his bank account"? (1)

Eponymous Bastard (1143615) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410923)

Or maybe track the phone call?

(yeah yeah, everyone wants to be James Bond and doesn't care for old-school solutions)

Get the RIAA in on the case! (5, Funny)

threaded (89367) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409807)

Why don't these stores copyright their video feed and then let loose the RIAA on the perps. That'll stop 'em!

Re:Get the RIAA in on the case! (2, Funny)

djones101 (1021277) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409891)

That would be the MPAA. RIAA would be if the store's music that is constantly interrupted by screaming cashiers showed up on the Internet.

Is the footage on YouTube? (4, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409815)

He did not record the security camera footage and upload it to You Tube? Dumb idiot. This is what dumbing down of America has done to the respectable profession of robbery.

CCTV (5, Interesting)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409833)

Why are the security cameras on anything other than a closed circuit? It makes no sense for their cameras to be connected to the internet.

Re:CCTV (4, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409895)

How else do you outsource your security work to India?

Re:CCTV (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410975)

Well as this seems to work, we can now outsource our crime to India also.

Re:CCTV (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411041)

That works as long as you don't have a real incident. The response time for the teams to arrive are awefully long, and now they started to charge by the mile.

Re:CCTV (4, Interesting)

Skapare (16644) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409899)

Why are the security cameras on anything other than a closed circuit? It makes no sense for their cameras to be connected to the internet.

Many companies are cutting back on security staff by eliminating in-store people that watch the TV screens. The stores still have some roving security people, but the TV screen watching is now more automated, more centralized, and in some cases even pushed out to homes where people with broadband can be paid even less than the in-store people to sit and watch a bunch of TV camera images for hours, looking for suspect people.

It might be interesting if someone developed a way to fool those systems into thinking someone is watching (frequently clicking to see the next camera).

Re:CCTV (1)

Yoozer (1055188) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410963)

and in some cases even pushed out to homes where people with broadband can be paid even less
Sucks if that person's walking with their dog for 3 minutes or so while a robbery is in progress. There's a reason you leave it to at least folks who have trained for it; the chance that they'll slack off in the store is smaller. At least, that's what I hope.

Re:CCTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20411399)

"It might be interesting if someone developed a way to fool those systems into thinking someone is watching (frequently clicking to see the next camera)."

Homer [wikipedia.org] used a dipping bird [wikipedia.org]. I'm sure the technology could be adapted.

Re:CCTV (5, Interesting)

Egonis (155154) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409905)

I run a security consulting business, and one of the things we do is CCTV Camera Systems.

Most of our clients are hell-bent on having internet access so that they can remotely view and control their cameras, card access systems, and PA systems.

Although it is possible to hack these systems, it is a remote chance if configured properly like anything else.

My guess is that these incidents are with default usernames and passwords on the DVR and other equipment.

However, my question is: how did they find the IP of a target store?
It's one thing to want to rob a store, but it's another to know this type of sensitive information.
And in many cases, even large stores are using DSL or Cable where they get a dynamic IP.

Sounds like an inside job to me.

Re:CCTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410025)

You're assuming they targetted that specific store. I imagine they stumbled across the store whilst scanning blocks of IPs.

Re:CCTV (1)

Gandalf_the_Beardy (894476) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410037)

It's easy - most of the cameras have a default control page. You just Google for that keyword and it' will often return lots of hits of cameras with webservers that are exposed to the internet- say that $CAMERAMAKER has a default webpage of http://camerasite/view?control=mode-on [camerasite]

Just google for the keyword control=mode-on and you will get tons of hits for that camera from all over the page.

Re:CCTV (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410055)

However, my question is: how did they find the IP of a target store?

In the olden days of modem-connected monitoring equipment, we called it "war dialing". What do the kids call it now, "war surfing"? Start at 0.0.0.0 and increment through FF.FF.FF.FF, excluding local nets if you like, and see if anything responds like a "Brand X" security camera.

But if they did that, how would they have determined the actual store location to get a phone number? Perhaps instead of an inside job, it was a bluff, and they didn't have camera access at all.

IP sensitive? (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410063)

However, my question is: how did they find the IP of a target store? It's one thing to want to rob a store, but it's another to know this type of sensitive information.
IPs are about as sensitive as a street address. Send an email to the store's staff about any stupid thing that would warrant a reply, get an IP back in the headers. Or just give them a web link to click, or an email that takes advantage of crappy Outlook and auto-loads something from your own webspace, and wait for the hit. Either way, you end up with a nice IP range to scan out in exchange for minimal effort.

Wireless (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410309)

However, my question is: how did they find the IP of a target store?
It's one thing to want to rob a store, but it's another to know this type of sensitive information.


In my WarDriving travels, I've come apon many SSID-hidden wireless networks around stores. Sometimes they aren't even encrypted. My recent curiosity with these nets reveals a few wifi networked cameras in some locations, and sometimes if you log into these networks, you can find a nat. From there it's simply accessing a site that gives you a IP.

But why bother when you already have access to there cameras via a unsecured access point?

Anonymous for obvious reasons.

Re:CCTV (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410407)

Although it is possible to hack these systems, it is a remote chance if configured properly like anything else.

They rarely are. as a Technology specialist company that also does cameras, we find that 9 times out fo ten the default passwords are set for the administration access of the DVR and even the IP cameras.

Out of the last 35 jobsites over 30 of them still had defaults set that would allow access in one way or another. Yes these were installed by "professional companies". some of them had administrator password changed but the guest / user account was still wide open.

Re:CCTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410549)

Hahaha you're an idiot. An IP address as "sensitive information"? You win todays "no clue what the fuck I'm talking about" award.

Re:CCTV (1)

tommyatomic (924744) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411187)

I did alot of security work specificly with Security DVRs of a variety of brands. 3 things to consider 1. It is not hard to scan for the dvrs with a port scanner. Same with ip cameras. 2. Most people think that the default login/password is ok to leave in place(idiots). 3. If you watch a video feed long enough you can probably figure out where you are watching and then look up the phone number. These guys if they are cracking into video surveilence. It does not take any kind of genius. It barely takes a 5th grade education. The same sort of high class intelect that 419 scams are based on. Be afraid of 5th graders claiming to be exiled royalty needing assistance to secure hidden assets on a video feed in a grocery store with a bomb.

Why CCTV is on the internet (5, Informative)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409907)

It's a valid question. Companies put security cameras on the internet to enable remote recording and control. It lets the central office or outsourced security firm handle all the digital video and dispatch police/fire services from a cost-efficient central location. If you owned 100 convenience stores in 10 states, where would you put the security office and how would you link them?

Rather than build a dedicated hardwired telecom network, companies are using the internet to connect everything together (security systems, financial systems, medical records, industrial control, etc.) As we can see from this example, they think they've created their own virtual network (of some degree of privacy), but in practice, the system is extremely vulnerable. I'd bet that more than a few internet-connected security cameras run with factory-default passwords.

Re:Why CCTV is on the internet (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409989)

I'd bet that more than a few internet-connected security cameras run with factory-default passwords.

And even if they change it, there's still the "Joshua" back door.

Re:Why CCTV is on the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409991)

I'd bet that more than a few internet-connected security cameras run with factory-default passwords.

A simple solution to that would be if the cams as delivered would be restricted to the password changing function until you did exactly that.

Re:CCTV (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409941)

Why are the security cameras on anything other than a closed circuit? It makes no sense for their cameras to be connected to the internet.

I don't know that they actually are interwebbed, but if they were, it would be to save money over having a dedicated line for every store. The Dillons stores are owned by Kroger now, so home office is hundreds of miles away.

Re:CCTV (4, Interesting)

canUbeleiveIT (787307) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409959)

Last year we put a security camera system into a auto recycling yard using IP cameras. They had been suffering a rash of after-hours breakins to steal the platinum that is in old catalytic converters. The system recorded to a DVR, but also was hooked to motion sensors that, when activated, would call the manager's cell phone, as well as start pitching still shots across the internet to a remote ftp server.

Two weeks after installation, the thieves broke in. When they saw the cameras and the DVR, they set fire to the place to destroy the evidence, but the still photos were enough to identify and convict them. They haven't had a problem since.

Re:CCTV (4, Funny)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410029)

They haven't had a problem since.
Is that on account of no longer having a business as it was destroyed by fire?

Re:CCTV (1)

ccguy (1116865) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410017)

Why are the security cameras on anything other than a closed circuit? It makes no sense for their cameras to be connected to the internet.
What do you mean? In every movie the hacker can access all camaras at all places, worldwide. How would they do it otherwise? :-)

Re:CCTV (3, Informative)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410169)

Why are the security cameras on anything other than a closed circuit? It makes no sense for their cameras to be connected to the internet.

Read further in TFA:

Initially, the caller led employees to believe he was observing them.

"After a while, it sounded like he was just taking a shot in the dark at what they might be doing, or what they looked like or how they were reacting to his call," Prescott police Lt. Ken Morley said.

Re:CCTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410345)

Why risk your life for a low paying Job?
Just Get out of the store call the police on cellphone Outside Didn't any of them think of that ?
I would love to hear why the employees simply didn't GFO (get Out )

Please we need to hear from the 100 in the store , why didn't they leave ?
Why did they comply ?

Re:CCTV (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410587)

Please we need to hear from the 100 in the store , why didn't they leave ?
Why did they comply ?


      Because the general public have been indoctrinated into thinking that a) there are "terrorists" EVERYWHERE, especially in the parking lot outside the store, and b) of course you always do what the perpetrator wants, and then he'll let you go, right?

      Oh, and the rest just wanted to see everyone else naked.

Re:CCTV (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411469)

Oh, and the rest just wanted to see everyone else naked.

(Overheard during the robbery) "Ummm, did he say he wanted us to strip? Everything? Oh, just shirts. Ok. Sure he didn't mean underwear also? Sure? Because I will if he insists. I'm willing to do it. I'll get totally naked. Would he like us to dance real sexy-like also? Is that a security camera? Can it see me right now?..."

Re:CCTV (1)

Tofystedeth (1076755) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411467)

Because they were told by a guy they believed was watching them that there was a bomb in the store and if they tried to leave, he would blow it up. Even if there wasn't a bomb, there have in the past been bombs put in places. It's enough to make them reluctant to call his bluff.

Re:CCTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410185)

Why are the security cameras on anything other than a closed circuit?

They were designed by Diebold?

Re:CCTV (1)

Joebert (946227) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410841)

The cameras in the Subway (sandwich stores) my brother worked at years ago are wired to the internet.
Knowing that his boss could see what he was doing at any given moment, my brother didn't slack off much at that store.

I was fooled too (4, Funny)

clovis (4684) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409903)

My wife came in a found me sitting on the floor in my underwear. I had only skimmed the slashdot article and thought that it was a disrobe-or-get-bombed threat against me. It seems that the Slashdot is only _reporting_ a bomb threat and isn't actually going to blow us up.
Also, would CowboyNeal please send back my $3,000?

Sparks (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409909)

This could be one of the first, and certainly not the last, case of people using security devices against the people whom they were designed to protect.

How are those net-enabled security cameras working out for you?

Re:Sparks (1)

aadvancedGIR (959466) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411055)

How are those net-enabled security cameras working out for you?

Fine, I just coupled a HTTP-controlled shotgun to the ones I have in my home.

corepirate nazis 'hacking' the weather (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20409913)

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& doing a pi** poor job of it we might add.

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Internet security system .. (2, Insightful)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20409927)

"officials were investigating whether the caller was out of state and may have hacked [kpho.com] into the store's security system"

"If they can access the Internet, they can get to anything"

"Anyone in the whole world could have access, if that's what really happened"

What kind of idiot would connect the security system to the Internet so that 'they' could get to anything. Didn't they put it on a private VPN or use a password even?

"The FBI was looking into whether the calls to the banks and stores were being placed from overseas"

I thought DCSNet [slashdot.org] was designed to provide instant access to such information. Provides absolutly no evidence of any such hacking. Sounds to me like a low level extortion plot apart from the mention of the (scary) Internet and hackers (even more scary). Since when do sophisticated thieves use Western Union and wire themselves $3,000 with a $150 service charge. Who paid the charge I wonder.

We get bomb threats here all the time, so don't take any notice ...

Re:Internet security system .. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411103)

Since when do sophisticated thieves use Western Union and wire themselves $3,000 with a $150 service charge.

That practice is old, tried and proven. It's been used by banking trojan users for at the very least two years now. You have a trojan'd computer, hire gullible people to provide their accounts, use the trojan to transfer money to the account, the account holder then uses WU to send you the money.

Easy, anonymous and hard to track. Works like a dream.

"hacked" by simply using Google? (2, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410041)

There are many store monitor camera systems that are installed with poor defaults and wide open access. Several makers' web interfaces have easy formulaic URLs to select different store views, and these commonly can be searched with plain old web search engines. This was a fun thing to do a few years back, with whole sites dedicated to lists of web cams that were likely not intended for global viewership. Without any real evidence that the web cameras were "hacked" I think it's a big stretch to assume any skill was involved here.

Another law broken? (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410091)

I'm sure that in some states, 100 naked people in a store legally counts as an orgy.

Re:Another law broken? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410257)

Better pray that the on-site local store in your nudist camp isn't wildly successful, then!

In other news... (3, Informative)

dark-br (473115) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410307)

People are stupid. Google for: inurl:"ViewerFrame?Mode="

And have fun...

Re:In other news... (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411525)

I like the remote control cameras. I once played with googling for them and finding unsecured control webapps. One time I kept scanning a camera around but it would start to move back. I was wondering if the owner was trying to keep it from moving ("This thing has a mind of its own!") or if other people had found it and were also screwing around.

They were asking for this... (2, Funny)

cablepokerface (718716) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410359)

I usually have Security Expert I & II equipped, so I have significantly less alarm and overload tiles. Every camera I see I take a few pictures of because then I can see the 'weaknesses' of the camera.

Of course when I have positioned myself directly under the camera I can't see me anymore and if it hangs too high I can just jump up and finish my hack in mid air.

Unfortunatly, the guards are a bitch. For them it always seems to be "bring your daugther to work day".

Other then that, hacking cameras is a breeze, like I said, with just a simple minigame they are asking for it.

I used to do that in Deus Ex all the time! (1)

Loosifur (954968) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410375)

Meanwhile, I'm glad that the video feed is secured by passwords as strong as "admin" or my favorite "1234". Sometimes they throw a "5" on there for added security...(it's Comcastic!)

Why were they made to disrobe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20410415)

Ignoring the funny side of it, why were the customers made to disrobe?

I can't begin to imagine a real reason at all here. I very much doubt that you seek titillation while carrying out a heist, and I don't think there was anyone present to gather in the wallets, nor was this to disarm potential gun carriers.

There's something very strange about this event.

The only thing that comes to mind is insanity, lol. Which I guess is quite possible.

Re:Why were they made to disrobe? (2, Insightful)

Random832 (694525) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411211)

Probably testing the waters (i.e. make sure they're intimidated into doing whatever the thieves say) before giving them bank account information to do the wire transfers.

Live dog-with-dog action (0, Troll)

adnonsense (826530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20410907)

Found on Google here [71.157.145.90]

(And yes, it is surprisingly SFW, at least the frames I've seen so far are)

Urban legend? Hoax? (1)

gvc (167165) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411095)

The commentary makes no sense at all. A bunch of disconnected factoids, that may or may not be true. I would need to hear a more convincing means, opportunity and motive before I swallowed a word of it.

Suggested Response To The Bomb Threat (1)

Toad-san (64810) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411269)

"Oh, there's a bomb? In our store? How nice! Have a nice day."

"Oh, it's you again? Yeah, right, like you said .. a bomb. We got that. Good day!"

"What? Again? Money? Are you crazy? Man, we'd rather have the bomb! Now go away!"

"Look .. I know, it's probably a very nice bomb. Noooo, we're not looking for it. We don't really care, see? We figure one of our customers will probably buy it. Hmmm .. there's a thought .. got any more? Maybe we can work something out here .. hello? Hello?"

It worked a few centuries ago: "Millions for defense, not one penny for tribute."

Re:Suggested Response To The Bomb Threat (2, Funny)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20411537)

1. Open store
2. Receive bomb threat
3. Ignore demands, find bomb
4. Sell bomb on black market
5. Profit!!!
6. Goto Step2

Later when the recordings where reviewed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20411385)

.. all faces where covered with the text
"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes."
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