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Sony Runs Out of 60GB PS3s

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the takes-a-look-at-his-watch dept.

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Next Generation has word from Sony that they've shipped all of their 60GB PlayStation 3s. They don't have any more in the warehouses; retailers still have ample stocks, though. From the article: "Once all of the remaining 60GB PS3s have been snapped up for $499 apiece, the only option left open to consumers will be to purchase the 80GB model, which currently retails for $100 more at $599. It has long been rumored that once all 60GB PS3 stock dries up, the 80GB will be subject to a price cut, but SCEA has failed to be drawn on the matter to date. 'We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated,' the company has said."

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152 comments

Thats cause (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414287)

they kick ass. Time for a nice Frosty Piss!!!

But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414317)

Many PS3 fans pitch the "won't talk about it until then" as proof that there will be a cut -- some suggest an 80GB unbundled for $449. Hard to say. A lot of people are arguing that Sony will definitely cut to $500 once the 60s are gone, but it's hard to say; I mean, you wouldn't expect them to have a PR stunt with a decapitated goat, but they did. So who can predict what madness Sony's sales people will think of? I'm sort of skeptical about a cut, just because the holiday season tends to boost sales, and they may not need a cut to keep systems moving.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (4, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414353)

I doubt they'd cut it to $500 or lower; that would just be spitting in the face of all those who snapped up their 60GB models just months earlier for the same price. Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414393)

Wish i had mod points to rate this +1 Funny

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414417)

Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?

Asking that question is like asking for the rootkit and overpriced trolls to come out of the woodwork.

Regardless, I don't see them cutting the price before Christmas. Demand is going to be high and the system will finally have some games worth buying the system for - Warhawk and UT3 to name a few. If HOME goes over well and they keep pumping out the PSN titles as well as a Motorstorm map pack (which they promised at E3 I believe), then you'll have a nice library of original games to start with, along with some really good ports for those making the jump from PS2 to PS3.

I really believe that the majority of those that will buy the PS3 are moving from the PS2, by the way, and they probably don't own a 360 either. This would make those multi-platform titles more attractive since they probably haven't seen them before anyways.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414535)

Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but Unreal Tournament 3 won't be a PS3 exclusive... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Tournament_3 [wikipedia.org]

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Jthon (595383) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414645)

No it's not a complete exclusive but it does ship exclusive to PS3 and PC in November with the 360 release pushed out to sometime in 2008. That and the PS3 version will also support the same 3rd party mods and maps the PC one does.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (4, Informative)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414647)

Sorry to point this out from the article you obviously linked but didn't read:

Sony announced at E3 2007 that, through a deal made with Epic, Unreal Tournament 3 will be a PlayStation 3 timed console exclusive during 2007. The Xbox 360 version will follow sometime in 2008. The statement by Tretton confused many, therefore Mark Rein made it very clear during the Midway conference at E3 2007 that UT3 would ship for both the PC and PS3 in November, with the Xbox 360 version coming the following year. It was also announced that the PS3 version will be able to use PC-created mods and levels.[9] Epic plans on adding some level of support for the Xbox 360, but due to its closed system there is less freedom. This is the main reason this version of the game is coming out later.[10] On 2007-08-07, Mark Rein confirmed that PS3 users could use a mouse and keyboard as input devices for the game, a feature that was the subject of high demand by fans.[11]


They haven't said the 360 release date yet, but it won't be out this holiday season, nor will it have as many features as the PS3, which makes it less desirable. Which is exactly the point I was making above.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414699)

Appreciated, but consider this: UT3 is a HIGHLY anticipated title...knowing that it will come out for the 360 (albiet in a slightly less functional form), what do you think is more likely to happen: a 360 owner will pay the 600 dollars for a PS3 and then another 60 dollars for the game, or just 60 dollars for the game?

All I'm saying is that even if the PS3 version is more functional, the very fact that it will be released on multiple systems lowers the chances of someone buying a PS3 BECAUSE of UT3.

Personally, I don't care. I prefer my online shooters to not be filled with people jumping all willy-nilly

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414893)

My point was that there's finally some reasons to pick up a PS3 this Christmas, and the price might not have to drop in that case. Yes, if you're extremely patient and price matters to you, then the PS3 probably will not be something you'll want/ask for/buy this winter. But if you have the income or don't care about price, then the games are finally getting to the point where the PS3 can take the 360 head on.

Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414933)

Personally, I wouldn't touch the 360 at this point on hardware issues and stupid add on costs like a proprietary hard drive and headset, and the Xbox Live cost. But that's just me.


I know that I am just one random person, but I do own the PS3, Wii, and the 360. I can honestly say that out of all of them, between the games and the overall "feel" of the system, the 360 is by far my favourite.

Again, that is just a lone geek's opinion...

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414961)

So then we agree to disagree!

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415107)

Joanna: You know what, Stan, if you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, like your pretty boy over there, Brian, why don't you just make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?

Stan: Well, I thought I remembered you saying that you wanted to express yourself.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Eponymous Bastard (1143615) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414975)

Except that UT3 is also coming out for the PC at the same time. I'd rather spend those $600 getting my PC up to spec than dump it into a PS3.

But then again, maybe that's just me.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (2, Informative)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414977)

360 owning FPS fans will be playing too much halo 3 to care about another FPS until 2009. UT3 is a much less important title to the 360 than it is to the ps3.

Not necessarily anymore (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417105)

When those comments were made at E3 Live was still a closed system. MS announced their Xbox Live Silver Program which allows 3rd party companies to maintain, manage and update from their own servers rather than from MS. When asked if that would allow a company like Epic to allow PC to 360 maps and level editors it was stated that that was indeed one of the reasons for the new service.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417989)

Well then that means Oblivion, GRAW 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and FEAR were all 360 exclusives.. since they came out for the 360 before they came out for the ps3.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#20418163)

Outside of FEAR, which I think we could argue is a timed PC exclusive, you'd be correct. However, they didn't have the same effect, seeing as the PS3 wasn't even available to developers at the time they were released, so you couldn't expect them to be released across consoles at once.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

bym051d (980242) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414897)

A lot of the people who bought 60s (myself included) would rather have the 60s at the same price because of the hardware. The 60s included the Graphics Synthesizer + Emotion Engine from PS2, so backwards compatibility is near 100%

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415059)

Thanks, I was about to ask about that. So I need to pick up one of those 60GB if I want 100% PS2 compatibility?

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (2, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415329)

It's not 100% even with the chips, but it's close.

Anyway, software emulation on the other models is very good at this point, and will play nearly all games without issue. They've been adding compatibility with each (frequent) firmware release, too, so it shouldn't be a problem either way.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

bym051d (980242) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416015)

Hardware is 98-99%. Software is ~ 90%, but most of the big games are fine.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415425)

Yes. Software emulation on the 80GB is fairly decent @ ~90%, IIRC. But the 60GB is the way to go if you want the comfort of knowing your games will absolutely work with your new unit after your PS2 dies.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415397)

count me among them, I bought a 60GB PS3 once it dropped to $500, and have spent all my time on it playing PS2 games, watching movies and fiddling about with Linux. I am eagerly anticipating warhawk though.

its hard to say where sony is gonna jump with the 80 GB model - I personally am a fan of the unbundled 80GB for 500 bucks theory, but who knows really?

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415191)

Er, yeah, they would.

That said, I'm glad I got a 60. I get the version that has EE and has better compatibility with PS2 games, and I upgraded to a 120GB drive by early January of this year.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

old_skul (566766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415583)

Sony? Spit in the face of their customers? Nooooooooo! Never!

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20416275)

Sony wouldn't disrespect their customers that much would they?
Pardon me, I'm still laughing between tears. Have you ever heard of StarWars Galaxies and the New Game Enhancements? The dismal way in which Sony Online Entertainment (a division of Sony) held off announcing massive changes to the game until THE DAY AFTER the expansion Trials of Obi-Wan was released, then had to begin to backpedal and offer rebates and returns to those many many disgusted players?
Or how about the pre-release round of Sony media and board members dismissing the Wii, 360, and public when concerns about the PS3's price were raised? Statements along the lines of... "No matter what the price, people will buy it because it is a Sony Playstation."
Or the Sony "rootkit" DRM?
Search out the phrase "Sony pissing off customers"... you will find many more.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414669)

Well the only reason Sony discounted the 60GB version was to clear the stock, I doubt the 80GB one will drop in price soon. There's certainly no reason to do so until the 60GB ones are no longer available at retail (which TFS says they are). Since $500 is the "discount" price for soon-to-be-obsolete versions, I highly doubt they want to lose that distinction from the 80GB version.

They may drop the price if sales of the 80GB version are as slow or slower than when the 60GB version was $600 -- it's possible especially if a lot of fence-sitters are buying the cheaper 60GB. Expect Sony to sit around for a few months coming up with insane reasons why sales are slowing until one of them accidentally becomes sober and notices the correlation between reduced price and increased sales.

The holiday will of course obscure this effect for a while, too. I do not an expect a price drop on the 80GB model this year.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414707)

"Many PS3 fans pitch"

And right here we get a glimpse of why there is so much fanboy grief in the world.

The 80 gig PS3 is cheaper to produce due to:

1) The EE half of the EE/GS PS2 hardware being removed
2) 80 gig drives are now the bulk lowend standard and are cheaper than 60, 40, or 20 gig in bulk for companies like Sony

3) There are other motherboard/chip cost savings that have been implemented since the first models

What is so funny about these desperate fanboy attempts to label the 499 60 gig price as some sort of 'fake' price is it has actually helped get existing PS2 owners up off their asses and go out and buy PS3s early.

So Sony thanks the stupid fanboys like seebs and others who have helped create the fales sense of urgency.

Five years from now it won't really mater one bit, but it is hilarious to see fanboys own themselves.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

harryk (17509) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415201)

Not quite the same deal, but Sams Club (atleast here in Milwaukee, WI) has the 80GB bundle at $549.

Re:But is that a confirmed cut? (1)

qweqwe321 (1097441) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417223)

you wouldn't expect them to have a PR stunt with a decapitated goat,


I knew Sony was evil ever since the rootkit fiasco, but wasn't aware they had PUBLICLY started worshipping Satan...

Sept. 25th...? (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417413)

Halo 3 comes out on Sept. 25th and historically when a huge, potentially system-selling games come out competitors do something to combat the hype. My guess is that Sony will either drop the price, make some kind of software bundle or do both.

Act now! (3, Funny)

Kirin Fenrir (1001780) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414319)

Get 'em while they're ho-...errr...lukewarm!

Re:Act now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414373)

Aww, lookie the fanboy tried to make a funny...

Re:Act now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415301)

Damn straight, the only thing hot about the 360 is the power brick. How do you like your eggs cooked?

Re:Act now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415313)

You've got some serious issues.

Re:Act now! (1, Troll)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414415)

lukewarm
You give Sony WAY too much credit!

Re:Act now! (1)

SC-James (1142747) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414451)

Room Temperature?

Re:Act now! (3, Funny)

SterlingSylver (1122973) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415105)

Operators are standing by! And they're lonely...so lonely....won't you please put down your wii for just a few minutes to call them?

Wow, That Was Fast (0)

World_Greatest_Slack (805297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414359)

I remember people trying to claim that Sony wouldn't run through their supply until middle of 2008. So much for that claim.

Shouldn't be surprising. Sony just released the online game of the year with Warhawk. People are going nuts over this game. And Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Gran Turismo Prologue are all coming over the next few months. Sony's first party line up is absolutely insane.

Looks like those 110 or so million PS2 owners are starting to make their move to HD/1080p next gen gaming on the PS3.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414391)

Holy shill alert, batman!

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

Sneftel (15416) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414425)

Given that the majority of PS2 owners purchased their console when it was NOT the most technologically advanced console out there, what makes you think that owning the most gigahurtzy console will be important to them this time around?

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414549)

Golly, let's see what games were on the PS2 that will be on the PS3:

Gran Turismo
Final Fantasy
SOCOM
GTA
Ratchet and Clank
Team ICO
God of War
Naughty Dog's games
Burnout
Silent Hill
Virtua Fighter
Tekken

Just to name a few. Can't play all those games on the stupid Wii or the crappy 360...

Advice, don't bother ever seeking employment in the games industry...

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414949)

The 360 owners are too busy playing Forza to care about yet another facelift on the decrepit old Gran Turismo.

And Burnout isn't a platform exclusive.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1, Troll)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415353)

You know what sickens me about people like you? You aren't a gamer. Oh sure, you may spend hours in front of a screen pressing buttons like the rest of us, but your mentality makes you something of a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum about nothing.

Stop being so "loyal" to one company. I mean, first off the company you chose to be loyal to shut down Lik-Sang...I may love their consoles, but that move alone made me despise Sony through and through. Secondly, the "stupid" Wii and "crappy" 360 have some fantastic games for them that you can't play anywhere else.

In fact, you might not know this, but when you buy systems from different console manufacturers, you actually have access to *gasp* MORE GAMES. Go figure, eh?

So do us all a favour, stop being a fucking idiot, and play as many different games you can on as many different systems you can. Who knows, you may suprise yourself and transform from a "rabid fanboy" to an actual "gamer".

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20417867)

You know what sickens me about people like you? You aren't a gamer.

Many people don't want to be.

Oh sure, you may spend hours in front of a screen pressing buttons like the rest of us, but your mentality makes you something of a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum about nothing.

He's probably actually moved out of his parents, and isn't working for Best Buy or EB Games.

No true gamer would spend enough time studying to get a college degree, or get a job with enough hours to move out of his parents.

So do us all a favour, stop being a fucking idiot, and play as many different games you can on as many different systems you can. Who knows, you may suprise yourself and transform from a "rabid fanboy" to an actual "gamer".

Perhaps you should spend less time playing games and more time taking responsibility and try to actually get a real job. You know one that pays well enough so you don't have to have a roommate or live with your parents?

I can tell its one or the other, because no true gamer would have it any other way

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

enderjsv (1128541) | more than 6 years ago | (#20418363)

I'm a gamer and I have a degree in computer science and a job working for Bechtel. In fact, gaming is the reason I obtained a degree in C.S. I think the biggest issue I have, however, is that you're criticizing gamers in a gamer's forum. Sad that you sink so low for attention.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414435)

Lair is getting some lukewarm reviews, and Heavenly Sword is as well. I'm a PS3 owner, and I'm looking forward to the games like UT3 and Haze more than the other games you list. I think they finally have enough in the pipeline that the system will be attractive to consumers this Christmas, but I think that UT3 is probably going to edge out Warhawk for Online GOTY. And I love Warhawk.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414487)

Looks like those 110 or so million PS2 owners are starting to make their move to HD/1080p next gen gaming on the PS3.


LOL. Yeah, right.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414607)

Yeah, that's right! All those PS2 owners are going to be rushing out to pick up a copy of Halo!

LOL!

All those PS2 owners are going to rush out and pick up the most defective console ever made, that scratches discs, that has a stupid 50 dollar a year online charge, that doesn't play all the big name games the bought PS2s for, that doesn't even play the old library of Xbox games, for a game they didn't give a shit about last gen.

Oh wait! Maybe you meant the Wii!

Waggle, LOL!

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414589)

How can you be so rose tinted about these games being released. Firstly the reason sony has run out of stocks now is because they've known how badly the console was selling and that there was not much demand. Secondlly for a game to be game of the year, you kinda have to wait till the end of the year, frankly if halo 3 comes out, that claim could very very easily be gone. Then of course you are listing games about to come out, and that about sums it up, 1 year after sony has finished it's console they're starting to release some good games. Finally, assuming 110 million consumers are going to buy the new console just because they bought the previous product is absolute crap, yes, maybe after 7 years (that's how long the PS2 has been out) maybe THEN sony will have near that number of customers, but last generation there was much less competition so its unlikely.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414839)

While I'm with you...

1 year after sony has finished it's console they're starting to release some good games.
Unfortunately, that seems to be par for the course for even as far back as the PS2, Gamecube, and XBox.

Re:Wow, That Was Fast (1)

stigmato (843667) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417803)

Exactly my point as well! It's not about the games being out, its about the excitement in anticipation of their release!

Future news: (1)

JimboFBX (1097277) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414437)

A week later an auditor is fired for not noticing that a majority of those shipments went to "warehouse corporation".

Not long before the 80Gb replaces it (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414441)

It's fairly likely that once the 60Gb is history that a "barebones" 80Gb model will replace it at the same price or possibly lower closer to Christmas. I'd expect they'll also revamp the "bundle" too in some way, e.g. throw Heavenly Sword or Lair into it to make it more up to date.

Sony vs. Nintenod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414475)

Microsoft has flunked out of both Japan and Europe in sales. England is the only country where the 360 is still showing any meaningful sales.

That pretty much just leaves Microsoft surviving off of US Xbox owners - which guarantees the 360 a last place finish this gen. Leaving Sony and Nintendo to battle it out this gen.

You will probably see an X pattern for the PS3 vs Wii sales as the waggle hype dies off and more and more people upgrade to sub-1000 dollar 1080p sets. Even 7 years after the PS2 was released it is still selling at some 200k a month or so in the US.

It should be obvious where all of those former PS2 users are going to end up over the next five years.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414581)

Brand loyalty amongst gamers is the dumbest thing ever conceived. You miss out on so much by being "loyal" and by not delving into other systems that it makes you very much like the all-show-no-go crowd that emerged after The Fast and the Furious...

In other words, it makes you a fucking moron.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414821)

Actually, it makes me $600 richer and no worse for the wear.

I have every Nintendo system since the NES, and a decent library of games for every system since the SNES. I'm fairly certain that there will be games I want to play on ${CurrentNintendoSystem} and that this statement will be as true 10 years from now as it was 20 years ago and every year in between. Why should I buy a Sony system?

Now, that's not to say that I won't buy a Sony system. I have a PSX and a PS2. I bought the PSX when FF8 wouldn't work in emulation. I bought the PS2 for Guitar Hero. I have half a dozen games for each (a paltry sum compared to my dozens of games for each Nintendo system). I haven't missed out on much by delaying these purchases, and in fact, I've saved a bit of money. The PSX was under $100 brand new, and the PS2 was about $130 brand new. No used stuff (questionable maintenance and possible abuse = no thanks). Compare that to the $300 price tag on those systems when they were new... Yeah. Saved a bundle.

That's not moronic. It's selective and fiscally responsible.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414879)

I think you misunderstood me...I was referring more to the people who own consoles from ONLY one brand because it is "better" than the rest and the rest "suck".

Timing has nothing to do with it...I fully agree with you, waiting is indeed a very smart path to choose. But when people have the "all gaming systems/companies but this one suck" mentality....that's what I was referring to.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (2, Insightful)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415435)

I was referring more to the people who own consoles from ONLY one brand because it is "better" than the rest and the rest "suck".

Most of these people are mentally 14 years old, if not physically. That kind of mentality is immature and stupid.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

japhmi (225606) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415447)

But when people have the "all gaming systems/companies but this one suck" mentality....that's what I was referring to.

What about the "all gaming systems/companies suck" mentality?

I find it saves quite a bit of money by not buying any of them.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415963)

And time, too. But then you have to do something else with all that time you have laying around, and that can be a PITA, or worse, boring.

I'll stick with buying games I like.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416121)

The thing is, and I don't think I stated it clearly, I'm one of those "fanboys" that buys Nintendo no-matter-what and hates Sega/Sony/MS/et al. You'll notice that I tried emulation before actually buying a PSX... And it took something as thorougly awesome as Guitar Hero (actualy, GH2!) to get me to buy a PS2... No Xboxen for me yet. Besides, the middle-school-level pissing matches are almost as fun as the games.

My SNES can beat your Genesis any day because it can display 32767 colors and the Genesissy can only display 512! My N64 can destroy your Playstation because it has z-buffering and anti-aliasing and tri-linear mipmap interpolation and the Praystation only has grainy crap! My Gamecube is better than your PS2... because it is! My Wii ownz your Xbox360 because the ladies love playing with my Wii!

I almost punched a kid in high school over one of these arguments (SNES vs. Genesis, back then). Good times... Fortunately, I'm 27 now, completely secure in my fanboyism, and don't have much time to get into immature arguments anymore.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416211)

Look, I can understand having a favourite or whatever...but as a gamer, you really are doing yourself a major disservice by limiting yourself to Nintendo-only products...

I mean, do whatever you want, not my place to tell you what to do...I'm just saying, you are missing out on a LOT by not going past Nintendo.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

gameboyhippo (827141) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417987)

I actually switched camps when the Dreamcast went belly up. I followed Sonic to the Gamecube and found a new home. MS doesn't have any good E rated game (except maybe Viva Piñata, but even that's coming to the DS). Sony is trying to be Microsoft. With all of the reasons I bought my non-Nintendo systems coming to the Wii/DS, why should I buy anything else? Plus I can play all of my Genesis games thanks to the Wii having blast processing. (or at least emulating the hy-- feature).

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (2, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414881)

Brand loyalty amongst gamers is the dumbest thing ever conceived. You miss out on so much by being "loyal" and by not delving into other systems that it makes you very much like the all-show-no-go crowd that emerged after The Fast and the Furious...

In other words, it makes you a fucking moron.


ie. Rabid Fanboyism.

Remember them, the ones who started slagging the 360 right away, then the wii before launch, and then the ps3 right now. The success or failure of a Companies console doesn't really determine the size of your penis. So taking any of it as seriously as people here have tends to diminish the human race as a whole.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (2, Funny)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416081)

The success or failure of a Companies console doesn't really determine the size of your penis.
It doesn't??? FUCK! That guy in the alley behind the bar ripped me off!

Sony vs. Nintendo vs... Microsoft (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416029)

Brand loyalty amongst gamers is the dumbest thing ever conceived. You miss out on so much by being "loyal" and by not delving into other systems that it makes you very much like the all-show-no-go crowd that emerged after The Fast and the Furious...

Brand loyalty isn't so bad, I think you are lashing against the Rabbid Fanboyism though which is (I agree) quite dumb. Brand Loyalty however could get people to cross platforms and "blur the lines" of Fanboy-hood.

Let's say you really like Final Fantasy... Which system should you buy? Some would say the PS2 and others the DS.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (3, Insightful)

vonPoonBurGer (680105) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415165)

I'm sorry, but games drive console sales, not brand names. The number of consoles currently in the marketplace drive the platforms that developers target. You only need to look at what the CEO of EA said [crunchgear.com] to realize that. When you have the top dog of the single largest game publisher coming straight out and saying that your console was the "wrong horse," you are in some serious trouble.

The PS2 was a huge hit because they got to market early and were able to get a snowball effect going. Developers targeted the PS2 because it was the most widely-sold console, and that in turn drove additional console sales. The PS3 will not come anywhere close to experiencing that level of success. It appeared too late, it cost too much, and they've been bleeding third-party exclusive titles at a phenomenal rate as a result. They're experiencing a slight uptick in sales thanks to the (maybe temporary) price cut, but the only numbers developers and publishers are looking at are total number of consoles sold, and the weekly numbers are only a drop in the bucket compared to those totals.

Thanks to http://vgchartz.com/ [vgchartz.com] , we know that there are 10.5 million 360s, 10.5 willion Wiis, and only 4.3 million PS3s sold worldwide. What 3rd-party developer in their right mind is going to drop serious money on developing a AAA title if they can only sell it to 17% of the next-gen market? Without exclusive AAA third-party titles, there's pretty much no chance of a major increase in the rate of PS3 console sales. You only have to look at Nintendo's experience with the GameCube to realize that all the first-party titles in the world just aren't enough to get the job done.

As for Microsoft "flunking" in Europe, the weekly numbers may look a little rosy (or at least not dismal) for the PS3, but the 360 is still the most widely sold console in the "other" (i.e. not North America or Japan) category by a fair margin at 3.3 million, which is mostly Europe. The Wii is second with 2.8 million, and the PS3 hardly even rates with 1.3 million. The PS3 outsold the 360 by a whole 6000 units in Europe for the week ending August 19th. That's simply nowhere close to enough to erase the 2 million lead the 360 has. At a rate of 6000 more consoles sold per week, it would take the PS3 seven years to catch the 360 in Europe. For the same week though, the Wii stomped them both, selling almost twice as much as the 360 and PS3 combined.

As for Japan, MS completely botched the 360 marketing plan there, without question. You can Google for Japanese reactions to the 360's "Do Do Do" campaign, if you'd like a laugh. However, while the 360's failure to crack the Japanese market is bad news for MS, it isn't automatically good news for Sony. Japan was supposed to be Sony's stronghold, and look at the Japanese sales numbers: 3.4 million units for the Wii, and only 1.1 million for the PS3. Even in their own backyard, Sony is getting their asses handed to them.

"It should be obvious where all of those former PS2 users are going to end up over the next five years."

Yes, it is obvious to me, though apparently not to you: wherever the games are. Where are the games going to appear? This is also obvious: on whatever consoles are most common. Whether that's more frequently the 360 or the Wii depends on how things shake out this Xmas, but at this point the PS3 is simply too far behind to have much hope of making a comeback.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415213)

I don't even think the 360 has a chance now. If the Wii can sell more consoles in 9 months than the 360 can sell in a year and a half, the 360's toast. The Wii, not the 360, is getting the large market of Japanese developers -- who are disproportionately relevant to American sales, even though the Japanese market is smaller.

The 360, I think, can reasonably hope for a comfortable and clearly successful second place. I don't think it can hope to come out on top this year; the only reason it has any chance of even staying reasonably close is that Nintendo simply can't possibly meet demand until sometime in 2008.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

fauxhammer (1148803) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416403)

The wii and the 360 are apples and oranges. The 360 and the ps3 are oranges and oranges. Lots of people own both a Wii and one of the other two systems, but you'll find very few who have a 360 and a PS3, because theres a lot of redundancy there. The wii, however is unique enough to be worth owning for anyone who can possibly afford to have two consoles. And by the same token, it's worth having a 360 in addition to the Wii if you're at all interested in "gamer" games. Just because nintendo has managed to break out of the industry's rut and appeal to the non-gamer crowd doesn't mean that there isn't still plenty of money to be made in the tried-and-true rut. The rut, after all, is where the every system other up until now has made plenty of money. There are an awful lot of outstanding games that are available on the 360 and/or PS3 that aren't going to be available on the Wii. Assassin's Creed and Bio Shock come to mind. As innovative and fresh as the Wii is, there are a lot of games that appeal to a lot of people that the Wii isn't really suited for. There's still a market for traditional (and more powerful) consoles. That's what Sony and Microsoft are fighting over, and Sony is unquestionably losing.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417029)

I dunno. I went PS3 in the PS360 debate, simply because the hardware's more impressive, I want to play with Linux on Cell, and I don't really want to send my box in three times a year for repairs. ... Of course, I may be atypical.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 6 years ago | (#20418071)

I want to play with Linux on Cell


Why? You know it doesn't act any different from linux on a x86, or linux on a ppc.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 6 years ago | (#20416825)

>>I'm sorry, but games drive console sales, not brand names.

I just bought a PS3. Not because there's a title I want to play on it (there's not), but because Sony offered a $150 discount to anyone who signs up for the Sony Style credit card (which will be promptly cancelled when the refund comes in) at the same time, and because they offered $100 of blue-ray movies for free. If you pick up the 60GB at 100$ or the 80GB with a 50$ game for free (Motorstorm), you're looking at a total 'cost' of $250-$300. Which was finally the right ballpark for me to buy a PS3. You can google for the offer.

I wanted to see what FF12 and some of the other PS2 games looked at in higher resolution (the 1.8 patch for the PS3 enabled this, which was a big selling point to me), and wanted a blue-ray player. Everything else (like all the Media Center and WebTVish crap) was just extras on top. I'll probably pick up Little Big Planet when it comes out.

Re:Sony vs. Nintenod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20418215)

I agree with what you're saying, but I still think Microsoft is blowing it in Europe.

You can't read too much from the aggregated figure because, unlike the US or Japan, it doesn't behave like a single market. What I mean by behave is that it is next to impossible in the US to have, for instance, the 360 thrashing the PS3 on the west coast and the reverse on the east coast. It very much is in Europe. Case in point: of that "rest of world" 3.3 million, more than 2/5 are in the UK, which is at the very best 1/6 of western Europe + other first world (i.e console buying) countries. That's very bad: outside the UK, at the very best, that's twice the 360's market penetration in Japan. Now, like you said, the PS3 isn't exactly taking everything by storm there. The point however is that, less costly annd with better games, the 360 should be killing the PS3. But it isn't. Hence Microsoft is blowing it.

What happens when Sony cut the price in Europe, which, you may have noticed, they had the luxury of not doing yet, in spite of the PS3 being much more expensive there than in the US? What happens if/when it does get good games? Assuming Nintendo comes out first what if Microsoft wins second place in the US and the UK (pop. about 360m), and Sony in Japan plus the rest (pop. at the very minimum 420m)?

Sonny boy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415169)

Sonny boy, the battle is over.

When you say:
    "That pretty much just leaves Microsoft surviving off of US Xbox owners - which guarantees the 360 a last place finish this gen. Leaving Sony and Nintendo to battle it out this gen."

You're ignoring reality. XBox360 has a lead over the PS3 (and growing), and the Wii is blowing both away.

The only battle at this point is for last. Nintendo won this generation. Sony and MS are scratching their heads, can't quite figure it. But it's over. The only thing left is how much the PS3 has set back Sony and whether they can make a run at Microsoft.

But please... this perception that Sony is about to take off should have died 6 months ago. It's embarrassing to keep repeating it.

Penny Arcade Obligs (1)

Seakip18 (1106315) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414493)

Here [penny-arcade.com] and here [penny-arcade.com] . Regardless, if you dry up on producing machines, I'm sure you'll eventually sell them.

I'm shocked. (1)

phoenix.bam! (642635) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414499)

They managed to sell both of them?

Soon we will know (3, Insightful)

Alex777 (1113887) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414621)

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the 80GB model isn't getting a price cut, even when the 60GBs are gone. Sony has a pretty good lineup coming up, and they stand to lose a lot in the short term if people buy reduced-price PS3s but only one or two games.

On the other hand, they might want to get Blu-ray players into as many homes as possible, given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios- even if it means absorbing a big short-term loss. They know PS3s will move once their AAA titles start coming out, so there isn't much motivation for a price cut now, game-wise.

Overall, I think the PS3 is just too speculative for most consumers. The price in and of itself isn't the major concern, (people will spend hundreds of dollars on home entertainment) but rather questions like "Will Blu-ray become the de-facto HD format?", "How many price cuts will occur between now and when the games I want are released?", and even "Are AAA titles eventually going to be ported to 360 or PC?"

Re:Soon we will know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414731)

Who cares? It's good for all gamers. People are buying more than one brand of consoles now. The cheaper they get the better for all of us, regardless of preferences.

The real reason the PS3 isn't selling is piracy. Both the Wii and 360 are hacked and have a big pirate scene, likewise with the NDS. Do Nintentdo care? Hell no, they look like they're going to break units sold records all over the planet. The PS3 is still locked up. If it ever gets unlocked, watch the units start to fly off the shelves.

Re:Soon we will know (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414791)

On the other hand, they might want to get Blu-ray players into as many homes as possible, given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios- even if it means absorbing a big short-term loss.
I think you make an excellent point. My next video game system must also play one of the high-definition discs, I could care less which format. Microsoft isn't offering an integrated HDDVD package (yet) and I still think both systems are a bit pricey for my use, so the first company to the price-point punch wins my business.

Re:Soon we will know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20414859)

> given the recent adoption of HD-DVD by many film studios

OMG! Did you just try to spin the 150 dollar payoff to just TWO studios by Microsoft to keep HD-DVD on lifesupport as 'adoption'

Fanboys, LOL

HD-DVD is dead, get over it fanboy. Viable formats don't need Microsoft paying off companies just to put their content on it.

Re:Soon we will know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20417317)

They're both dying unless someone can convince people that it's worth buying their whole library of DVDs over again.

Re:Soon we will know (1)

vakuona (788200) | more than 6 years ago | (#20418005)

You absolutely do not have buy your library all over again. If anything, it shall be an easier, quicker and less painful transition than VHS to DVD. You can play your old DVDs (they kept the same form factor for more than just passing familiarity). You can play your old DVDs on the PS3, any HD DVD player , any Bluray player. But if you want the best picture on a TV set larger than 32 inches, HD DVD is the way to go.

Thieves... (3, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | more than 6 years ago | (#20414877)

Looking at the price difference between 60GB and 80GB 2.5" HDDs, the $100 more for the larger disk strikes me as very close to theft.

Re:Thieves... (1)

The One and Only (691315) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415063)

Yeah, and you still get a black PS3 either way, so they're even worse than Apple on that front!

Re:Thieves... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415135)

Subtract $60 for the bundled Motorstorm. Not that I disagree, but then I bought a 20GB unit and installed a 160GB drive the same day.

Re:Thieves... (2, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415259)

It also comes with a game, so the difference isn't quite as much.

Now, if you want to discuss theft with regards to 20GB of storage space... [pgpartner.com]

Re:Thieves... (2, Informative)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417597)

Doesn't it also come without hardware PS2 emulation?

Re:Thieves... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415333)

Looking at the price difference between 60GB and 80GB 2.5" HDDs, the $100 more for the larger disk strikes me as very close to theft.
Not to mention that the $100 cheaper version contains the PS2 hardware to provide perfect backwards compatibility, so for your $100 you get 20GB more storage, and lose backwards compatibility. Now someone will come out with that "80% compatible" figure but that's not "80% compatible with games" it's "80% compatible with the PS2" meaning that quite a few current PS2 titles are unplayable on the new PS3: they'll start, you can play through part of them, but when you hit that 20%...

So, yeah, $100 more for a less capable system with a $10 larger hard drive. Even throwing in the bundled game I wouldn't want, that's still a huge rip-off.

Tactics (1)

thyrf (1059934) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415071)

Is it just me or does this look like a 'panic buy' tactic? There's still no way I'm shelling out £350+ even for the 60GB model.

No announcements until 60GB model exhausted??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415139)

'We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated,' the company has said.
If this statement holds true, don't expect to hear any further announcements for a good long while. The 60GB PS3s are not exactly flying off the store shelves...

expect to see another low-end ps3 (1)

loafula (1080631) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415437)

i expect to see a new low-end model hit the shelves in the next couple of months. i'm guessing a $450 20gb model. it doesn't make sense to slash the 60gb prices and just discontinue it. they had to sell them off, and who would dole out $500 when they know a cheaper model is just around the corner. as whack as sony seems, i think they just may know what they are doing. with the hd wars leaning in favor of blu-ray, i think the ps3 is gonna start to make a huge comeback in the console war

PS2 Chip on Board (4, Informative)

Conception (212279) | more than 6 years ago | (#20415439)

Also as a reminder for those sitting on the fence, I believe this will be the last model with hardware support for PS/PS2 titles. The 80GB and on have software emulation.

Re:PS2 Chip on Board (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417147)

Which is a good thing. You can't really patch hardware issues (emulation chip), but you can provide updated emulation software with each PS3 OS release.

Re:PS2 Chip on Board (1)

Roskolnikov (68772) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417655)

Though usually true, the chip(s) used are a complete PS2 emotion engine set, they are as good as the real deal;
It might be possible for Sony to 'enhance' the PS2 experience in emulation, than again there is something to be said for *not* upgrading your PS3's OS,
if Sony follows the PSP model each new release will get them closer to closing potential DRM end arounds.

I am truly on the fence here but have no plans on selling my ps2, so near perfect emulation is just fine, I'll wait to see what I suspect Sony will do.

the current 80 GB bundle will stay at its current price, the new 80 GB edition will be cheaper with less goodies (no game, no wifi, no flash slots, no controller, whatever they can strip to show value).

JMHO

Re:PS2 Chip on Board (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417709)

Except it's not an "emulation chip" -- it's a PS2 chip. Emulation is where you make hardware pretend to be something it's not, in order to support the software. Not that I think it matters.. If you're concerned about PS2 games, you probably already have a PS2. Yeah it's nice to only need one console hooked up, but in the end it's just a minor inconvenience to have both.

Backwards compatibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20415507)

I ran out and bought a used 20g PS3 at gamestop for $370. After all the 20g and 60gs are gone, you'll be forced to use emulation to play ps1 and ps2 games. I don't really feel like spending $100 more so I have the disk space to download emulators, so I went ahead and bought a ps3 and a USB wireless nic.

Yeah, the 360 and the Wii have more/better games, but between my roommates and I, we only needed a ps3 to finish out our collection...

EE! Quickly Act Now! (2, Insightful)

Generic Guy (678542) | more than 6 years ago | (#20417315)

I've read these reports over the last couple of days. I have been waiting and delaying the idea of getting a PS3 because lack of compelling games and my own lack of HDTV to play it on. With this news, I was beginning to worry about spending the cash now to pick up a 60GB unit with the included Emotion Engine (EE) hardware support for true backwards compatibility. I have a lot of PS1 and PS2 games I want to make sure work properly.

Then it occurred to me... I already have a machine which works with my regular old TV set and plays all my PS1 and PS2 games perfectly: my PS2. And if I want a wireless control with missing rumble action... well, I already have a 3rd party wireless controller with that (lack of) feature.

Realizing that Sony has a good chance of coming in a distant third for this generation's console race and that software studios are focusing on Xbox360 and Wii (with those systems' easier development tools) there really is no point to bothering with PS3. All the 'good' games are coming out on Xbox360 anyway. The stomach pangs of losing out on the hardware EE support simply went away with the realization that PS3 is already finished in the market. I'll simply keep my PS2 for awhile longer at no additional cost.

80Gb hard drive == $41 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20418017)

So the current street price of an 80Gbyte hard drive in one-off quantities is $41 (http://www.newegg.com/) - one would imagine that in quantity, they'd be a lot less. So even if SONY are getting their 60Gbyte drives for $0, it's really hard to justify the price difference.
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