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Analysts See 80GB PS3 Dropping To $499 For Holidays

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the it's-like-sony's-been-listening dept.

PlayStation (Games) 103

Gamsasutra reports on analyst predictions of another PS3 price drop in time for the holidays. This time, the 80GB sku would take the place of the now fully-cleared-out 60GB unit. "Jesse Divnich from fantasy video game prediction market simExchange has said much the same, adding that 'after examining more closely the hardware sales of the PS3 over the last 6 months we have come to the conclusion that the PS3 cannot remain competitive in the current North American environment at its current retail offering at $499 and $599 ... To remain competitive against the other consoles, the Sony PS3 would have to reduce its 80GB SKU by $100 down to $499. Other options, besides a price drop, could be the bundling of more free software titles, which has always been a popular option during the Holiday season.'"

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Tor like oatmeals! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469285)

Tor like oatmeals!

Like I care? (2, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469307)

As a gamer who plays, I'm currently enjoying Metroid on a Wii..

When I finally get an HDTV, My $$$ are going to the evil Borg empire (rather than the Evil sony empire) and getting an XBox 360 for Halo and GTA IV.

So why should anyone care about the PS3? The zealots who got them got them already, and all the rest are just not gonna care, get a Wii (gameplay) or get an XBox (more games and similar "oohh, shiny" graphics)

Re:Like I care? (5, Insightful)

dsyu (203328) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469437)

So why should anyone care about the PS3? The zealots who got them got them already, and all the rest are just not gonna care, get a Wii (gameplay) or get an XBox (more games and similar "oohh, shiny" graphics)

For some, it's a case where we're assuming (maybe foolishly) that the PS3 will eventually have some interesting and unique games that are otherwise unavailable on any of the other platforms. Examples of this for the PS2 for me would be Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Ratchet and Clank, etc.

It's akin to asking why anyone bothered buying an original XBox, when there were so many more titles for the PS2? If you were a Halo fan, the answer was obvious.

Re: Like I care? (2, Interesting)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469587)

For some, it's a case where we're assuming (maybe foolishly) that the PS3 will eventually have some interesting and unique games that are otherwise unavailable on any of the other platforms. Examples of this for the PS2 for me would be Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Ratchet and Clank, etc.

It's akin to asking why anyone bothered buying an original XBox, when there were so many more titles for the PS2? If you were a Halo fan, the answer was obvious.

The difference is Th X-Box launched with Halo. What "System Seller" is on the shelf right now for the PS3? Why buy a system for "maybe" ? Buy it with the game you have to have...

Re: Like I care? (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469651)

True, but if you only have the money for one system what happens if you buy what is eventually the orphaned one? You should definitely consider the 'maybe' or wait for the 'definite'.

Multiplatform Titles (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469913)

I caved in a got an XBox (first one) not because of platform exclusives, but because all the multiplatform titles looked better on the XBox than they did on the PS2. Largely I believe that will be the case with the PS3. The 360 is scaring me away with their red-rings-of-death, and the Wii looks fun, and I may buy one, but everything I hear suggests that it really is catered more to multiplayer gaming. Since getting married and having a kid, I don't have people over to play video games anymore. I rarely have any time for single-player gaming. Any multiplayer gaming is going to be online, and the Playstation allows me to game online for free.

Re:Multiplatform Titles (2, Informative)

fotbr (855184) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470169)

Just pointing out the obvious.

Use the Wii to make gaming a family activity, and get the kid and your wife to game with you. All the fun of "in-person" multiplayer, without needing to invite people over.

Re:Multiplatform Titles (2, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470595)

Just pointing out the obvious.

Use the Wii to make gaming a family activity, and get the kid and your wife to game with you. All the fun of "in-person" multiplayer, without needing to invite people over.

And even if the Wii gaming isn't your cup of tea... if your family likes it, the Wii may be the trojan horse that opens them up to the possibility of a 360 or PS3 for you... maybe even one for Christmas :)

Re:Multiplatform Titles (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472613)

I keep trying to get my wife into gaming, and she likes the occassional game (KOTOR) but it isn't her cup of tea. My daughter is only 2, and we're a ways off there.

I bought the NES, SNES, GB, GBA, N64 and Gamecube, so I'm not a Nintendo hater. I've seen them focus more and more on party games, quirks, and non-gamers. The often resell their old games over and over again, and people seem happy to buy them over and over again. Most are excited about the virtual console, but I see an inferior replacement to the emulators on my XBox or PC. If I bought the game twice already, I'm not paying Nintendo a third time.

Nintendo actually makes a profit on the hardware because they're pushing cheap hardware, and not even attempting to give me the best possible product for the price, while Sony and Microsoft are losing a ton on hardware costs. Nintendo didn't ship with DVD support, and charged $50 more than they initially said, so they somewhat lost me there as well.

Both the N64 and Gamecube mainly gathered dust in their lifetimes. I kept buying retreads of old games (alongside the rereleases of old games) and realized that Nintendo was offering very little in the way of "new". The Gamecube never had the Mario 64 sequel they promised for years, and I don't know how you skip an entire console generation of your primary franchise. Sunshine was alright, but not a proper Mario title.

Nintendo seems to offer the bare minimum to the consumer, and people are happy as pie. I just don't get it. The new Zelda looks great, but I can probably pick it for $20 soon for my Gamecube and dust it off. If you're best title for the current generation is a quick port of a game from the last generation, that isn't a selling point for me.

Re:Multiplatform Titles (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 6 years ago | (#20473277)

Fair enough - without knowing your kid's age or your wifes disposition towards games, I just figured I'd throw out the obvious suggestion.

I actually agree with most of what you said about Nintendo, and if it weren't for the golf and bowling games I probably wouldn't have bought a Wii myself. Yes, the controller is sort of a gimick. But it works well with two types of games I like, so... meh, it was worth it for me. Its not for everyone though.

Re:Multiplatform Titles (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 6 years ago | (#20488987)

Wow. Modded "Troll" AFTER the GP and I had a few civil responses. Thats a whole new low for slashdot's moderation system.

Re: Like I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20476319)

yeah, like we're not all going to buy all three consoles anyway.

Re: Like I care? (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 6 years ago | (#20480277)

Well, I most likely will. I'm 2/3 of the way there now. But there are a lot of people who don't have the money. There are even strange people out there who think it's possible to spend 'too much' on video games.

Re: Like I care? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469749)

"The difference is Th X-Box launched with Halo. What "System Seller" is on the shelf right now for the PS3? Why buy a system for "maybe" ? Buy it with the game you have to have..."

What a stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid,s tupid fanboy.

Re: Like I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20470391)

What "System Seller" is on the shelf right now for the PS3?

Right now the system seller for me is Blu-Ray. The march of technology means Blu-Ray will be in fighting distance of HD-DVD soon enough and disc capcity will be the trump card, as tape capacity was in the Beta/VHS battles.

Of course, I'm not much of a gamer.

X-Box was a sure thing just because of Halo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20471159)

Wait a minute, the original X-Box was a sure thing because of Halo? Please... Buying that system was a bigger risk than buying the next PlayStation could ever be.

Don't downplay a system that plays a majority of existing PS2 games as well as a growing library of next gen games.
I don't think you can seriously call the PlayStation brand a "maybe" either. X-Box is still the newcomer here.

Re: Like I care? (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472137)

Wait what? Are you comparing the XBox with the PS3? Um... in that case, PS2 has a bigger library then the 360, so it, er, pwnz it? Thats like saying the PS2 has Final Fantasy X and XII, so LOL at the 360?

Re: Like I care? (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | more than 6 years ago | (#20473321)

Never mind the fact that he wasn't comparing them like that at all, but isn't the PS2 outselling the 360? This would suggest that this is exactly what is happening.

Re: Like I care? (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 6 years ago | (#20475323)

So lateral thinking is the best option. It is not to late to throw in a remote keyboard and mouse and throw in sony open office, sony firefox and sony thunderbird, PS3 it is more than just a toy and of course M$ can never match it. Think of all those male juveniles trying to convince their parents that the PS3 will help them get better grades in school and the parents can use it to pay their bills and do email and stuff :D.

Re: Like I care? (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#20478999)

It is not to late to throw in a remote keyboard and mouse and throw in sony open office, sony firefox and sony thunderbird, PS3 it is more than just a toy and of course M$ can never match it.

So basically you are advocating that Sony adopt the same marketing approach with the PS3 that was used for the Commodore 64 (successfully) and the Atari XEGS (not successfully). "Our gaming console has a keyboard, which makes it a computer and not a gaming console! The kids can do their homework on it! Mom can file her recipes!"

Twenty years ago, the strategy had some merit; few households already had a general-purpose home computer in them in the early 1980s. Now that everyone already has a computer or two at home, and a brand new "real" PC can be had--with monitor and probably a crap-o inkjet printer included--for the same price as the PS3 console alone, I think such a marketing campaign would be doomed to failure.

And therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony try it.

Re: Like I care? (-1, Redundant)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 6 years ago | (#20481365)

Gees, you could do full featured spreadsheets, word processing, email and browsing the web with a Commodore 64 and an Atari XEGS, well I never knew that, perhaps, I from am alternate reality or perhaps you are. Most products and marketing have a time and a place, poor timing can cause a product to fail because other facilitators are not in place or the market is not yet ready for them. Internet sales on narrow band was a failure by your system of logic internet sales on broadband would also have to be a failure, perhaps you can think about the difference and then think about the difference in terms of a full featured computers at a discount in the current market and not a market from 20 years ago.

So basically I am advocating timing a product for a market that is ready for it, and not living in yesterday or in your case the previous millenium. The point is to try do reduce the impact of an over priced for it's market games console, increase the value or reduce the price, those are the choices.

Re: Like I care? (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472659)

What "System Seller" is on the shelf right now for the PS3?
Warhawk.

Re: System Seller or Decent game? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472725)

What "System Seller" is on the shelf right now for the PS3?

Warhawk.

Is Warhawk worth buying if you have a PS3 (IE: A good game)? or is it Worth buying a PS3 and the game in 1 purchase? (IE: A system seller)

My impression is that it was the former, not the latter.

Re: System Seller or Decent game? (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472801)

I'd put it in my top 10 games ever, personally. The tastes of other people may be different, but I'd say it's definitely a system seller for people who like that type of game.

It's worlds better than Halo, the latest installment of which is sure to be a system seller.

Re:Like I care? (2, Interesting)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469633)

Yes, that's very foolish. Most of the PS2's appeal came from 3rd parties. Sony also doesn't have any of their 1st/2nd/3rd committed(Insomniac and Sucker punch would qualify for this particular little sub-categorization) major franchises out yet, and with their marketshare atm you'd be extremely foolish to count on the type of 3rd party committment that made the PS2 worth it.

Or in other words, I'll buy a Nintendo console secure in the knowledge that they'll release enough stuff themselves over it's lifetime for it to be worth the launch price of admission($200-$250). Sony hasn't earned that in my estimation yet, and even if they had, $300 is about my limit for a console with few to no exclusive games actually out that I'm interested in.

I'll eventually wind up with a PS3, I have no doubt of that, but not anytime soon the way things are looking. Upside of that is I'll pay a hell of a lot less for everything.

Re:Like I care? (1)

flitty (981864) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469687)

Yeah, So i'll buy a ps3 the same time I buy a ps2. One month before the PS4 comes out and the thing costs $129, with a full library of games i've not played yet. I still don't see a reason why it's worth $599, or $499 for that matter. When the Ico guys come out with their game, GOW3 and at least 10 other games hit, then the ps3 becomes worth something. Until then, a price drop means nothing to me, just like every generation.
The 360 finally has about 10 games I want to play, so i'll end up buying one this winter.

Re:Like I care? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 6 years ago | (#20473767)

Some of us are already playing exclusives that are excellent and waiting for more like Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction which IMHO would be a system seller on its own, but I own all the previous editions as well.

Re:Like I care? (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 6 years ago | (#20481947)

Excellent PS3 exclusives? Praytell, what would these be? Warhawk, perhaps, but every other exclusive on the PS3 has only managed to "mediocre" to "OK" reviews at best. Most of the PS3's best titles are also available on the 360, with many reviewers giving the 360 version the slightest of edges over the PS3 version. At least with the PS2 vs. Xbox, even the PS2 ports that made up a large chunk of the Xbox's total library at least had better graphics, and sometimes, additional content so there was an argument for choosing one over the other. That's not true with the PS3 vs. 360, and the price difference doesn't help things either.

BTW, buying any console in anticipation of an unreleased title is a very bad idea. Anyone who follows the game industry will tell you that release plans get changed all the time. There's no guarantee that the game you're waiting for won't get delayed, canceled or even changed to a multi-platform release - not to mention that unreleased game is impossible to properly review - and who hasn't been burned by an over hyped game in their younger years?

Also, as much as I love Ratchet&Clank, they were never system selling games. Good games - yes, but not systems sellers. Also, with the PS3 costing $500, and games costing $60, you're looking at over $700 just get the PS3, 1 game, and accessories. What game could possibly be worth $700? I don't even think most games are worth $40-50, much less $60, especially when those same games will drop to $20-30 within a year.

Re:Like I care? (4, Informative)

SwordsmanLuke (1083699) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469515)

As a long time gamer, I'm not entirely sold on the Xbox 360. It seems to me that Microsoft is tying their console so closely to their Games for Windows / DX10 effort that I am willing to bet that many games for the 360 will turn up on PC as well. Also, I think the PS3's hardware provides more potential for future development. (Whether or not game studios will be able to take advantage of that potential is another issue altogether.)

I'm not a Sony fanboi, I waited in line for my Wii and ignored the PS3 launch completely. I want my games to be fun, not just pretty. (Which probably explains the old Atari 2600 in my living room) But I see interesting things in the PS3's future that I don't think the 360 will be able to match.

Just my $.02

Re:Like I care? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469639)

I'm not a Sony fanboi, I waited in line for my Wii and ignored the PS3 launch completely. I want my games to be fun, not just pretty. (Which probably explains the old Atari 2600 in my living room) But I see interesting things in the PS3's future that I don't think the 360 will be able to match.

Please, don't take this as a Bash, but I honestly would like to know what you feel the PS3 is capable of in the future that the 360 can't match.

Off hand I can only think of one instance (aside from Multiple DVD's vs. 1 BluRay) and that's the Stranglehold Collectors edition that has a BluRay movie on the same disk as an Extra. What did you have in mind?

Re:Like I care? (0, Flamebait)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470093)

Anything that requires truly serious processing power? Currently programming for the PS3 is more of an art than a science, but as soon as all the tricks begin to filter throughout the community, the PS3 will have a shitload more power than the 360 is capable of. This refers to both processing and graphical power, as the Cell is capable of major support in the latter area. However, this is going to take TIME. Until then the Wii will steadily pull ahead and until some big names come out, the 360 will probably continue to do slightly better than the PS3. I doubt that the PS3 will ever catch the Wii's sales figures in the run of the console, though it might after Nintendo comes out with their next one.

Re:Like I care? (2, Interesting)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 6 years ago | (#20471525)

You are assuming that the PS3 will be given enough time to become that popular. Third party vendors are already re-assessing their support for the PS3. Unless the PS3 starts to put consoles in people's homes then there is little chance that developers are going to spend the time and effort that optimizing for the PS3 will take. It would make far more sense for these developers to spend their time making the Wii version look good, since that's what their customers are most likely to actually own.

The PS3 is just too expensive. Sony can only save the PS3 at this point by doing what Microsoft did with the original XBox. If Sony is willing to lose billions of dollars subsidizing hardware then it can weather this round of the console wars. Sony can basically forget about profiting from this iteration. If Sony is not willing to lose money hand over fist, then the PlayStation is dead.

Re:Like I care? (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 6 years ago | (#20482075)

Losing a generation has more repercussions than just big numbers in red ink. If Sony starts losing the confidence of the 3rd party developers, how exactly do you expect them to win they back with the PS4? Arguably, this has already begun with a handful of previously Playstation-exclusive titles becoming multi-platform with simulataneous releases this time around. Every exclusive that the PS3 loses becomes just one more reason to NOT buy a PS3. If the games you want to play are multi-platform, and feature nearly identical graphics as the cheaper alternative, why not save some cash by going with a 360?

You can ask Sega about how difficult it is to bring 3rd party developers back to your console line after scaring them away.

Sheer power (1)

Tony (765) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470171)

The Cell processor definitely has a raw horsepower advantage over the rather standard PowerPC in the 360. 8 cores beats 2 any day.

Now, whether the game developers are savvy enough to take advantage of the cell is a different question entirely.

Don't discount the whole multiple-DVDs vs. 1 BlueRay, either. Or the fact that the PS3 comes standard with a hard drive, allowing game manufacturers to cache textures to disk before they are needed ("streaming textures"), making gameplay smoother, with richer visuals.

Then there's the sixaxis controller, which gives some interesting gameplay possibilities. For instance, in the upcoming Ratchet & Clank game, one of the weapons produces a tornado, which you control with the sixaxis, while using the more traditional controls as per usual. You can't do that on a 360.

So, I think a more interesting question is, what technically can't be done on a PS3 that you can do on a 360? ("Halo III" is not an appropriate answer here, since that's a marketing thing, not a technical thing. A good point, but not technical.)

Re: Sheer power (2, Interesting)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470507)

The Cell processor definitely has a raw horsepower advantage over the rather standard PowerPC in the 360. 8 cores beats 2 any day.

Well, 7 active (useable) and 1 redundant core in the Cell vs. the 3 (Active) cores in the 360. Point understood about More cores being better. One of the issues I see is that the PS3 has half the system RAM (256 megs) of the 360 (512 megs) so a game like Gears of War that uses all that RAM wouldn't be playable in its current form on the PS3.

Don't discount the whole multiple-DVDs vs. 1 BlueRay, either. Or the fact that the PS3 comes standard with a hard drive, allowing game manufacturers to cache textures to disk before they are needed ("streaming textures"), making gameplay smoother, with richer visuals.

If they actually use that extra space appropriately I can see that. However much of the added space is IMHO wasted. For example in Heavenly Sword there was a reported "10 gigs of Audio alone" [g4tv.com] and the game is supposed to take 6-10 hours to beat. Contrast that with Oblivion that still fits on a DVD9 despite a HUGE quest with tons of voice acting. The notion just reaks of Lazyness, or improper use of Codecs.

Saddly we'll get lots of those before we see someone really use that space. Hell a DVD9 could hold 83 minutes of VC1 Codec 1080p video (Same used in HD DVD or BluRay) so at what point will we see something that really pushes the boundries and doesn't "just fill the disk to say they did" ?

Then there's the sixaxis controller, which gives some interesting gameplay possibilities. For instance, in the upcoming Ratchet & Clank game, one of the weapons produces a tornado, which you control with the sixaxis, while using the more traditional controls as per usual. You can't do that on a 360.

True. Possibilities are there...

So, I think a more interesting question is, what technically can't be done on a PS3 that you can do on a 360? ("Halo III" is not an appropriate answer here, since that's a marketing thing, not a technical thing. A good point, but not technical.)

The Halo thing is kinda the rub. The Xbox and the Gamecube were both more capable hardware than the PS2 (more ram, better GPU, more CPU, built in HDD and Ethernet in the X-Box)...

They could do everything as good or better than the PS2... Except sell... the way the PS2 did... curious...

Re: Sheer power (1)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20471581)

> One of the issues I see is that the PS3 has half the system RAM (256 megs) of the 360 (512 megs) so a game like Gears of War that uses all that RAM wouldn't be playable in its current form on the PS3.

I got corrected on this a while back, so I'll pass it on: The 360 has 512 megs that are fully shared with the video, whereas the PS3 has 256M for each of system RAM and video. It doesn't seem to make a lot of difference in the end. They're both nice consoles, and I could afford both ... but there's a definite Wife Acceptance Factor problem with getting more than one console in a year.

Funny thing though, I spend more time playing original xbox games (Jade Empire, Halo 2, Psychonauts) on my 360 than 360 titles.

Re: Sheer power (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20471923)

They're both nice consoles, and I could afford both ... but there's a definite Wife Acceptance Factor problem with getting more than one console in a year.

Funny thing though, I spend more time playing original xbox games (Jade Empire, Halo 2, Psychonauts) on my 360 than 360 titles.

I just went through that this summer! I went through a spell of old Xbox games, Both Max Paynes are good (and cheap) as is Panzer Dragoon Orta (all BC and under $10). Then a buddy loaned me Oblivion... That pretty much turned into a life hobby. :)

Re:Sheer power (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470737)

You have a serious lack of understanding about the Cell. The SPEs aren't cores in the same sense as the CPU in the 360. Also, the 360 has a 3 core processor,

Just some factual corrections. Your opinions don't really mean anything to me.

Re:Like I care? (1)

yaphadam097 (670358) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470143)

+1

I have both. My main reason for getting the PS3, in addition to the "interesting things in the future" that you mention, is Blu-Ray.

Turned out to be a good decision, since, when my 360 bricked with a "Red Ring of Death" yesterday morning, it didn't entirely ruin my Memorial Day. ;-)

Re:Like I care? (1)

hchaudh1 (963268) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470469)

I would agree with you. I am not a fan particularly of any system. I had an original XBox because I liked the games but now I have bought the PS3. My main reason was the nickel and diming that Microsoft does. Like remember that you had to buy a $30 add on for playing DVD's on the original XBox. I considered a lot and got a PS3 because frankly, I don't think there is much of a price difference. The 360 is $350 and the PS3 is $500. But if you factor in the cost of live (just for one year), the price difference is only $100. Apart from that the build quality of the PS3 is great. You get built in wi-fi(no add ons), you get a wireless charger included in the price, I just got WarHawk and I got a BlueTooth headpiece with the game which also works with my phone, a larger HDD. The XBox headset just looks big and well, wired. Not to mention a blue ray player, USB ports etc. Agreed some would argue that all this is not needed, but I, personally don't think $100 is too much to ask for all this functionality. I also considered getting an XBox, but after thinking about all these things, and the fact that the games I really want to play will be on the PS3, I actually think I have a better deal than the 360. It just looks nice in the living room without all those wires and add ons etc.

And We Are Supposed To Care About You? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469571)

Anyone...anyone...Bueller...Bueller...

They should have put it at $499 to begin with... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469319)

or Even $450... The 60 gig version with the EE chip is simply a much better value at the same price, I can't see them selling many 80 gig units at such an inflated price. Also with a comparatively weak software line up (yes there are good games, just not as many of them) they need to get the price down below $400 ASAFP.

80GB SKU is a meaningless term (2, Informative)

Pap22 (1054324) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469323)

It's either:

"Sony's 80GB PS3"

or

"Sony's N82E16868110016 SKU"

Except SKU [wikipedia.org] is assigned at the merchant level, so there are approximately eleventy billion different SKUs for the 80GB PS3. The above is Newegg's SKU.

STOP FUCKING SAYING IT

Re:80GB SKU is a meaningless term (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469553)

What number does NewEgg use when they order more PS3s from Sony? Oh wait, they use Sony's SKU for the 80 GB PS3. "SKU" in the article is used correctly: both according to the definition of the acronym, and widely-used convention.

Jeez, I hate it when people flame about things they don't understand.

Re:80GB SKU is a meaningless term (3, Funny)

mazarin5 (309432) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470371)

Either way, I hope they don't have to type in an 80GB SKU every time.

It would wear the finger down pretty quick.

Re:80GB SKU is a meaningless term (1)

75th Trombone (581309) | more than 6 years ago | (#20473593)

I didn't get it in as a first post, but perhaps you'd care to respond to my recent journal post [slashdot.org] on "SKU" whiners.

The gist: SKU may be businessese, but it has a real, specific meaning that's hard to express any other way.

Analysts see me still not buying one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469339)

Did the Analysts see me still not buying a PS3?

Not that I have anything against the PS3 personally. I am just not paying $500 for a console, regardless of the "real dollar" price.

Re:Analysts see me still not buying one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20478225)

No, but your parents will. They are gonna make you put that money towards rent so you stop smelling up their basement. Enjoy your last days in your peanut butter castle.

Shocking News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469443)

This is SHOCKING NEWS!

The new model PS3 is cheaper to produce compared to the current 60 US/Japan model because:

1) 60 gig drives are now more expensive than 80 gig drives in large quantities - that's just the nature of the harddrive market and tech. Prices stay the same but capacity goes up. Lower capacity drives start to get expensive as less and less companies use them.

2) The removal of the EE half of the EE/GS PS2 hardware.

3) Various motherboard/chip manufacturing efficiencies - some parts of the PS3 are already moved to 65nm

Since the 60 gig PS3's appear to be selling out much faster than anyone anticipated, place like Amazon it is still the top seller or number two or three item, it certain that when the 60 gig units are effectively out of stock that the cheaper to produce 80 gig model will drop the bundle and move down to 499.

And then probably down to 399 early 2008.

Re:Shocking News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469541)

Since the 60 gig PS3's appear to be selling out much faster than anyone anticipated, place like Amazon it is still the top seller or number two or three item, it certain that when the 60 gig units are effectively out of stock that the cheaper to produce 80 gig model will drop the bundle and move down to 499.
No, not it's not. The top three items on Amazon currently are:

1. Halo 3 Pre-order
2. Nintendo DS Lite Crimson/Black Brain-Age Bundle
3. Halo 3 Limited Edition Pre-order

So the PS3 is currently losing to Halo 3, twice, thanks to the two pre-orders. It's also losing to a very specific bundle of the DS.

But to its credit, it does manage to beat out Halo 3 Legendary Edition Pre-order.

Re:Shocking News (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469647)

Heh, Halo 3. Yeah, now that the stupid 7GB DVD drive and no standard harddrive in the 360 forced Rockstar to delay GTA IV and Mass Effect turned out to be Mass Downgrade, even a tired old Halo game that looks just like last gen's Halo 2 is selling.

Halo, what the hell else am I going to buy for my Xbox?

Re:Shocking News (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469793)

even a tired old Halo game that looks just like last gen's Halo 2 is selling.


Like so many others, you were judging a game's graphics based on its BETA. Liek so many other console gamers, this doesn't make you stupid, it just means you aren't used to the idea of a beta. See, in a beta, it is 100% assured that what you see is not the final product. Not in sound, balance, or even *gasp* graphics.

Try doing a side-by-side comparison of Halo 2 with the single-player screenshots of Halo 3 in the latest issue of Game Informer. Is it the same art style? Well yea, it wouldn't be halo without it...are the textures FAR FAR superior and is the detail vastly above anything in Halo 2? Yes indeedy.

Now stop being a little whiney bitch.

Re:Shocking News (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469853)

What a pathetic fanboy.

Halo 3 is a fucking disaster. Wow, 400 dollars + 250 dollar a year online fees just to have the same fucking Halo crap all over again but with some 'better textures'

What a loser.

Re:Shocking News (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469977)

Why are you cussing so much? I mean, I don't care, it just really degrades your argument...

People wouldn't be paying the $50 a year for Xbox Live if they didn't like the service they were getting...personally I think it is very much worth the money. Besides, have you forgotten the early days of PC gaming? Dwango, MPlayer, etc.?

As far as the same "Halo Crap", it's a franchise...people wouldn't buy a Halo game and expect Ratchet and Clank...they would expect Halo. They want a conclusion to the story arc, and they want closure on certain aspects of character development...what's wrong with that?

Beyond that, how am I a loser by playing a video game that I enjoy? Just because you don't like Halo 3 hasn't stopped over a million people from pre-ordering it...

The Halo series is just like World of Warcraft...whether you love it or hate it, you can't deny it's success in the gaming world. I know you must be all torn up inside about a game that millions of people around the world love and have a good time playing. Sorry about that.

Re:Shocking News (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470011)

Besides, have you forgotten the early days of multiplayer online PC gaming? Dwango, MPlayer, etc.?


Fixed

Re:Shocking News (1)

Kymri (1093149) | more than 6 years ago | (#20476631)

Not to disagree with your point, however in the case of the Halo 3 Multiplayer Beta, it isn't even a matter of a guarantee that things will change before the final product. It was a case of using Halo 2 graphics assets because the models have fewer polygons, and the texture and bump maps are smaller and thus: the whole package is a great deal smaller than it would have been with Halo 3 assets.

The point was for Bungie to collect information about the multiplayer aspect of the game, anyway. So for the people who saw the beta and went 'Wow, that looks almost exactly like Halo 2!', all I can say is: it really *should* look an awful lot like Halo 2 since most of the graphical assets are, in fact, from Halo 2.

Re:Shocking News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20470281)

Hey, you're that same troll who always acts like he wants to be a Sony shill (but isn't old enough yet), aren't you?

I remember you talking a few weeks ago about all the awesome PS3 games that were coming soon. How are those reviews for Lair, anyway?

Re:Shocking News (1)

the_nightwulf (1003306) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472667)

Maybe I'm just getting too old, but why are people still arguing back and forth over what their system can do graphics-wise instead of gameplay? The shininess of your textures and number of polygons whizzing around on the screen has little to do with whether the game is actually fun to play.

I'll take a good SNES game over yet another "beat up whores ... in 3D!" game any day.

Re:Shocking News (1)

Maxx169 (920414) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472791)

Stupid Google, ruining the word "beta". To the best of my understanding a "beta" version of something should be a feature complete program that is being tested for bugs/balance (when talking about video games). It does not mean 100% OMG we can't talk about the gfx because it's a beta and stuff will change!!! The definition of beta is somewhat fluid, and sure perhaps they'll make the graphics more shiny here, and replace a model there - but the _entire_ point about a beta is that it should be indicative of the final product and as such, it is perfectly legitimate to talk about the features and graphics of a beta product.

Re:Shocking News (1)

RamboRules (1112703) | more than 6 years ago | (#20481573)

Wow, this crazy techno nerd is impressing us all with his technical knowledge about beta testing and texture shading. This is exactly why I can't stand the comments on this site anymore. Half of the people on this site are so far out of touch with reality that they have no concept of practical real world applications. I am a human factors engineer (a usability expert for those who aren't familiar with the term). People don't play Halo for the graphics, they play it because they think it is a fun game. No one is sitting there critiquing how superior the textures look compared to Halo 2. You come across like a PS3 fanboy who keeps pushing the technical ability of the PS3, but can't defend the fact that there is no good software out for it. Now you can stop being a whiny bitch and go pet your processors that give you your precious textures. /Loves my 360 // Hates Halo because 1. It is a crappy game with no depth other than, "Let's have a frag fest" and 2. The only people who play it are whiny bitches.

Re:Shocking News (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20481665)

Wait a sec...you are ripping on me because I told someone not to take a beta as an indication of what a game will look or play like on release? As if that wasn't enough, you first call me a PS3 fanboy (again, even though I clearly state that I have all three systems and if you read my post history you will see that I very strongly defend any of the three 7th-gen consoles) and then imply I'm a whiny bitch because I play Halo?

Have you met my friend the kettle?

Re:Shocking News (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20476789)

Halo always looked like shit. Maybe you've regurgitated too much PS3 propaganda to realize people buy games for more than the looks.

Prediction (2, Insightful)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469509)

Still too damn expensive for me. And most everyone else.

Re:Prediction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469691)

Considering the PS3 is destroying the 360 in worldwide sales even at 150 dollar more right now makes you look pretty fucking silly.

Or pathetic...

Stupid fanboys.

Re:Prediction (2, Insightful)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469705)

Indeed. "Slightly less prohibitively expensive" still simplifies down to "prohibitively expensive"

I could, with effort, afford a PS3... (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20473685)

... but I already own a Wii and a new PC. And $500 would buy me 8-10 new games for my Wii or PC. 8-10 games is a whole lot of fun to miss out on to bet on an unknown quality like the PS3, which hasn't really come out with a game that grabbed me yet.

I also find that with a new job and promotion that I'm not just gaming less than I used to, I'm gaming a HECK OF A LOT less than I used to, and its very hard to justify $500 for what might be a 6 hour a month hobby for me now. On the other hand, with disposable income and not a heck of a lot of time to spend it, if I see pretty much anything in the Wii section that looks like it would make for good entertainment with my friends the next time they come over for a dinner party I can buy it without a second thought.

Not going to matter (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469539)

The PS3 still won't hit the value sweet spot for enough people to dig out of the market share hole it's in. There just aren't any exclusive titles comparable to what MS and Nintendo have for the holidays, $500 is still a lot of money, and quite frankly I don't see the HD media formats EVER really taking off enough for people to swarm to the PS3 en-masse because of it(I mean cult-classics like Rockula aren't even out on DVD yet), much less this holiday season being "the time".

There's also no reason to go and get the 80GB right now, like there is for the 60GB with the EE chip.

Re:Not going to matter (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469661)

I believe there's still quite a lot of 60GB boxes out there in stores, and if things continue the way they have, there may still be at Christmas as well. They have all been shipped to stores as of last week though, apparently.

Re:Not going to matter (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469757)

The PS3 still won't hit the value sweet spot for enough people to dig out of the market share hole it's in. There just aren't any exclusive titles comparable to what MS and Nintendo have for the holidays, $500 is still a lot of money."

Agreed.

There's also no reason to go and get the 80GB right now, like there is for the 60GB with the EE chip.

I disagree on the latter. There is a reason to get the 60 gig now... They are no longer producing them. If you are someone who puts a lot of value in the EE chip, then now may be the time to buy rather than taking your chances later with emulation.

Re:Not going to matter (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469801)

I disagree on the latter. There is a reason to get the 60 gig now... They are no longer producing them. If you are someone who puts a lot of value in the EE chip, then now may be the time to buy rather than taking your chances later with emulation.

I thought it was pretty clear that there was a reason to pickup the 60GB while it was still available if you wanted to have an EE chip.

I'm not personally in that camp, my PS2 still works.

Re:Not going to matter (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20469823)

God do I love seeing pathetic little shit fanboys like you have their sad little worlds come to a tearful end each console generation.

Let me guess...

Former Dreamcast loser? Desperately spouting the same crap a decade ago?

Former Xbox loser? Desperately spouting the same crap seven years ago?

You're a loser. A complete and total loser.

Re:Not going to matter (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#20474555)

This whole damn thread is getting ridiculous.

But no one claims that BMW sells a crappier car than
gm just because they sell far fewer. The Sony PS3 is a great little toy. It's an interesting and useful device for some people.. people with lots of movies and media and blurays. It plays plenty of games, though not as many next gen titles as the 360, it still plays about 9000 games. It's not as good for gaming as the 360 (I prefer the online selection on XBOX live when I get bored). The PS3 is trying something innovative. It's pushing a format somewhat well that will earn more than ten times what Nintendo will earn from the wii and more than the PS2 earned if Sony succeeds.

Who cares if it's going to be the most popular system? Any great game will cross platforms (and probably look fine on PS3.

It is so bizarre that so many people deeply care about seeing Sony fail in an industry that is only good due to competition. Nintendo is a pretty cool company now... and so obviously would not be had Sony not shattered Nintendo's wildest dreams of success in video games. Yeah, Sony isn't the market leader. Premium brands don't work that way. The PS2 and the PS3 are different strategies entirely.

Now, this article will have what effect? It will chill people from buying 600$ 80 gig PS3s. Gee, I wonder if that's what Microsoft wants to happen? Hmmmm, it's kinda interesting how any story, no matter how benign, that mentions Halo3 is pushed to the front, and most Sony stories that are good are not covered here.

It's almost as though Microsoft was paying for some kind of editorial bias... just as they have done in the past. That last thing we want is for the XBOX brand to succeed. I love my XBOX 360, but it's so clear that it is only nice because of Sony.

Re:Not going to matter (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 6 years ago | (#20475841)

A bad car analogy on slashdot!? Why I'd never thought I'd see the day.

Welcome to Slashdot. Digg not treating you well? Poor guy, here, have a complimentary tinfoil hat.

Who can say? (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469699)

I think $500 would make more sense than $600.

I also think a publicity stunt with a decapitated goat is very unlikely.

I just don't think I trust attempts to predict Sony's future actions based on a rational evaluation of expected outcomes.

Not suprising (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469709)

Considering how well Nintendo and Microsoft have been doing with their 7th generation consoles, and with the PS3 losing exclusives left and right, Sony has to do SOMETHING to get them in more homes. I personally love my PS3, I'm just annoyed that there really isn't any must-have games for it (yes, I know it will take a couple years).

That being said, I know that the numbers speak differently, but in all honesty in looking at the three 7th-gen consoles (which, btw, I own all three), I see every console as having a potential market of it's own...The Wii for it's "in-person multiplayer" appeal, the 360 for it's exclusives lineup and overall "feel", and the PS3 for the folks that want their gaming system to do something other than just play games.

Really, this is a very VERY exciting time to be a gamer. It's a shame everyone is still so ass-backwords and fighting with each other. This is the first generation that I could honestly see the big three living in harmony with each other if they would simply stay in their respective niche's...which, we all know, they won't.

Oh, and one more thing. Stop using 'SKU' in article summaries...not because it's used wrong, I'm just tired of hearing people argue about it's usage. That is all.

Remember folks. Play as many games on as many different platforms as you possibly can.

Re:Not suprising (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20470069)

My god are you the most pathetic fanboy on Slashdot.

Microsoft doing 'well' with the 360? Let's see:

* Bleeding cash at a faster rate than the 5 billion dollar first Xbox fiasco

* 1.1 billion dollars in losses just for the RRoD issue - bringing the Xbox lifetime losses up into the 7 billion dollar range

* The 360 is dead in Japan

* The 360 is at best floundering in Europe - England appears to be the only country the 360 is still a viable console

* After six years in the console market and billions in losses the 360 is selling at a slower rate than the first Xbox

* In the US market, the only market the 360 is still a viable console, the 360 is just barely outselling the 150 dollar more expensive PS3

* They've already had to fire Peter Moore for the disaster the 360 has turned out to be

* The 360 was a 10 million worldwide sales last December, it is now 9 months later. The 360 is still sitting at 10 million worldwide sales. They're not even going to hit the 24 million installed base of the first Xbox at the current rate before they have to pull the plug on the system.

* Disc scratching drives

* Halo 3 turning into a joke - no dedicated servers and crappy player count(only 16). And the most embarrassing having gamers not being able to tell the difference between Halo/2 and Halo 3's graphics

The 360 is selling to the exact same US based latently homo fratboy demographic as the first Xbox fiasco.

High five Microsoft! You're about to take over the console world!

Re:Not suprising (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470131)

My only response to that entire post is this, since it's what you lead off with: in my post, I even stated how much I love my PS3 AND the fact that I own the three 7th-gen consoles...you're right, I'm a pathetic fanboy.

I'd rather be a game-playing all-console-owning fanboy than a shill though, I'll tell you that.

Re:Not suprising (2, Funny)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470401)

Play as many games on as many different SKUs as you possibly can.
Here, corrected that for you. ;)

Re:Not suprising (1)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470793)

Amen brother!. If i had the money i'd have all three consoles and an HDTV. I prioritized the wii because of price and games. My brother owns a PS3(along with a 46" 1080p LCD :D) and encourages me to visit him to share in the experience. Many of my friends (and soon my roommate) own 360s. So, i'm pretty set when it comes to the 7th gen, but i don't get why people feel the need to belong in a club of fanboy exclusivity. isn't gaming about having fun? Getting the next Shadow of the Colossus/ICO game is a must for me and that regrettably means putting off the 360 that much longer.

500 Blu-Ray player (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469805)

Many reviews keep stating that the PS3 may still be the best Blu-Ray player on the market, and entry-level Blu-Ray players start at $500. Many people don't care about Blu-Ray right this second, but after seeing a movie in true 1080p, I'm ready to buy a new TV and a PS3. For $500 I'm getting a good Blu-Ray player, with the gaming console/media server/web appliance thrown in for free.

Most gamers don't see it that way, and that's fine. But for me, it is actually quite a value.

Re: 500 Blu-Ray player... or was that 350? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470071)

Many reviews keep stating that the PS3 may still be the best Blu-Ray player on the market, and entry-level Blu-Ray players start at $500. Many people don't care about Blu-Ray right this second, but after seeing a movie in true 1080p, I'm ready to buy a new TV and a PS3. For $500 I'm getting a good Blu-Ray player, with the gaming console/media server/web appliance thrown in for free.

Make sure you buy the Sony Remote. You CAN control the movie playback with the 6 Axis, but the interface is Ass-tastic. Also "Planet Earth" [amazon.com] is still the Best to show off your HD display... (sound not so much, but Visually, it's breath taking...)

Most gamers don't see it that way, and that's fine. But for me, it is actually quite a value.
I'm in the same boat. I'm playing God of War (which upscales nicely), and watching movies mostly.

If you act quick you might be able to get a 60 gig PS3 for $350 [sonystyle.com] and would still be eligable for the 5 Free BluRay Movies. [sonystyle.com]

Re: 500 Blu-Ray player... or was that 350? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 6 years ago | (#20473831)

What exactly is less than fantastic about the sixaxis as a remote?

A) its wireless
B) the left and right buttons move the movie back and forward
C) the big X you use in games to mean 'okay' does the same in menus
D) the big Dpad and analog stick thingies you use to move around in games does the same in BD menus
E) the square button brings up the menu while playing the movie
E) the triangle button brings up all those on-screen options to do other fancy setup stuff I've almost never done with a remote anyway

Re: 500 Blu-Ray player... or was that 350? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20474039)

What exactly is less than fantastic about the sixaxis as a remote?

F) the triangle button brings up all those on-screen options to do other fancy setup stuff I've almost never done with a remote anyway.

Perhaps I should have clarified. The triangle is largely the issue. Rather than organize functions in a logical maner, under the viewable area of the movie (like the BluRay menus do) they throw it up on the screen and overlay over 25% of your viewable area.

If you only do the basic functions of pause, play, scene advance, you CAN get by just fine with the sixaxis, but the remote is still preferable.

Re:500 Blu-Ray player (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470207)

I am in exactly the same boat as you. I want to buy a decent hdtv soon, mainly for watching movies, and it would be nice to be able to do some gaming as well. Exclusives and so forth mean nothing to me - I just want some fun games with detailed and absorbing graphics. And the price isn't super relevant either; as it stands, the PS3 is just over a day's work, not bad for something that will presumably give me years of enjoyment.

Remote Play... (1)

$lingBlade (249591) | more than 6 years ago | (#20469865)

The PS3 can work with the PSP to allow remote play. You put your game into your PS3, put it in suspend or hibernate (or whatever the hell they call it), then you go somewhere with wi-fi, fire up your PSP and connect back to your PS3 and play the game. Check out this link which shows a video of the game in action and another description of it:

http://www.psp-hacks.com/2007/09/02/lair-psp-remot e-play/ [psp-hacks.com]

Personally I don't care too much for the PS3 as a whole, price and lack of games being the two biggest issues, but if Sony or Microsoft could figure out a way to make this work for all kinds of games (not just Lair), or better still, incorporate real online multiplayer capabilities, that would make me buy one REGARDLESS of price. Sony taking a hit on these PS3's has so far managed to make them offer a technically superior product at a (hopefully) decreasing price and tying it into their portable player, which I think is a very good thing!

Still over $850 in Britain (4, Informative)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470279)

Over here in Britain, Sony are desperately trying to cling to a ridiculous £425 price point (that's $855 US at today's exchange rate). You could get BOTH a Wii + game AND an Xbox 360 + game for less!

Stores are not being allowed to officially offer discounts, but judging by the 'unofficial' hand written cardboard signs outside every games shop, stores can't shift the boxes without offering a huge bundle of freebies. You'd be hard pushed to buy a PS3 without art least 2 free A-list games, 2 free blu-ray films and a free sixaxis controller in my local mall.

Add in the way Sony UK are stubbornly pretending that 80Gb machines don't exist (all we get is 60Gb ones without the Emotion engine) and it seems they are hell-bent on crashing and burning over here.

Re:Still over $850 in Britain (1)

benzapp (464105) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472595)

Do you know anything about marketing? Exchange rates are meaningless for consumer goods, what matters is the ratio of said product to the average income of your target demographic. The british pound may be worth twice as much as the US dollar, but it doesn't mean people in the UK make half as much as Americans in actual numerical income.

The average income in the UK is approximately the same as in the US, if the two country's currency's had equal value. For someone living in the UK, the PS3 costs the same.

This is why British tourists infest so much of the world. Their excess income is worth much more when they travel in comparison with say, Americans.

Re:Still over $850 in Britain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20474053)

The average income in the UK is approximately the same as in the US, if the two country's currency's had equal value. For someone living in the UK, the PS3 costs the same.
This is why British tourists infest so much of the world. Their excess income is worth much more when they travel in comparison with say, Americans.
Did you just pull that out of your rear? According to trustworthy online sources (read: wikipedia) the incomes are the same AFTER exchange rate.

Re:Still over $850 in Britain (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20477063)

Actually the two free games and additional waggledualshock is the standard package for the PS3 in Europe now, only the movies are actual extra bundles.

Original and complete report (1)

KultofCows (1152009) | more than 6 years ago | (#20470745)

I am the founder of the simExchange. Thanks for covering the story that was covering our report. Our original and complete report [thesimexchange.com] is available on our website for free.

Just to add, our analysis examines the sales of both the Xbox 360 and PS3 for the next few months as forecasted on the simExchange prediction market [thesimexchange.com]. The forecasts are those of thousands of gamers, developers, and investors trading on a virtual stock market and are not the forecasts of an individual analyst. Our findings show a widening margin between Xbox 360 and PS3 sales in the coming months. However, since our long-term forecasts imply equivalent market share for the two consoles, we believe Sony will ultimately act to narrow this margin--this may include cutting the price of the console or bundling games to add value. Thank you again for interest in our report.

Prices (1)

revengebomber (1080189) | more than 6 years ago | (#20471471)

60gb PS3: $499 [newegg.com]
80gb SATA laptop hard drive: $90 [newegg.com]

80gb PS3: $599 [newegg.com]

So you have a choice between Motorstorm, or your entire library of PS/PS2 games (plus $10). They should have just stuck with the 60gb. Maybe they needed an excuse to raise the price, while lowering costs.

Re:Prices (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#20472569)

60 gig drives cost more than 80 gig drives. Sony is doing wise marketing. Sure, you can change the HDD yourself, but the vast majority of consumers aren't taking that into account.

Oh really? (2, Interesting)

MeanderingMind (884641) | more than 6 years ago | (#20471699)

Personally, I don't care what analysts think. How many of them correctly foresaw the Wii's success? How many of them foresaw the PS3's failure?

I'm not asking any and all analysts to be clairvoyant, but I don't recall any of them being at all accurate. The most dire prognostication was that Sony wouldn't absolutely dominate, but only lead.

As far as I can tell, 90% of analysts are going to make predictions anyone who has a passing interest in the subject could make with about as much accuracy. Basically, they pick whatever follows the old trends irregardless of the fact that trends change.

Sony might drop the price, that's always been a possibility. However, this is Sony we're talking about. I personally find it just as likely that they'll stick to their guns and keep the price as is; it wouldn't even be stupid. If they lower the price, they piss off a lot of hardcore people and potentially reduce their revenue. If they don't, they piss off a lot of hardcore people and potentially reduce their revenue.

I won't be surprised either way, but I would believe random anonymous coward Sony fanboy trolls before I'd listen to analysts.

Re:Oh really? (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 6 years ago | (#20482305)

Analyst is the only job I know of where you're literally paid to pull things out of your rear, with little or NO understanding of the field you're discussing. And if you're wrong 90% of the time - who cares!

Please explain... (1)

sxeraverx (962068) | more than 6 years ago | (#20471997)

Please, someone explain this to me. It would seem like the general consensus on /. is that the PS3 sucks, that Sony is the devil, that everyone is perfectly content with their XBoxes, that they don't need to make up for the size of their Wiis with a PS3 (pun intended). And yet, almost every day, there's an article about a possible price drop on the PS3. And people respond with the same tired reply every time.

However, the fact that there's an article every day about this makes it seem like people actually do really want PS3s, and are just waiting for the price to come down, and they're just trying to validate it by saying what they have is "good enough for me."

Of course, this is only IMHO, and may or may not bear any resemblance to reality, so please, treat me like a child and explain this to me.

Re:Please explain... (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 6 years ago | (#20474633)

However, the fact that there's an article every day about this makes it seem like people actually do really want PS3s, and are just waiting for the price to come down, and they're just trying to validate it by saying what they have is "good enough for me."

In theory, the PS3 is a neat toy that can run stuff like Folding@Home superfast on its exotic CPU.

In reality, it needs to match or beat XBox 360 in price, and it would have too if Sony didn't get all Sony about Bluray.

I think the offensive thing is just how blinkeredly ignorant Sony is of the history of its own core business and how stupidly it keeps tilting at proprietary windmills like Memory Stick, UMD, ATRAC, and all the other junk it tries to keep milking proprietary moneyz out of. It doesn't help that /. folks are basically bored of railing on Vista, I mean come on it's been such a catastrophe for so long there's not much more flesh on that dead horse. MS seems to be keeping their head down and sucking up the abuse ($1B for bad engineering), with only the occasional public stupidity like OOXML. Sony keeps coming up with innovative ways to suck (and keep waving its suck around like some proud papa with a hideous scaly V-baby) that are shiny and blinky and infuriatingly stupid. Not to mention that Microsoft stupid can be largely worked around, while Sony has its shit fingers in all sorts of stupid pies (like movie studio exclusivity) that ruin other peoples' day.

When you have an relatively open standard with nondiscriminatory licensing, you win. If you're Sony, you're an idiot that needs to immediately die.
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