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Cablevision CEO a Verizon FiOS Customer?

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the for-research-purposes-only-of-course dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 72

Keri_Love writes "Cablevision and Verizon are in the middle of heated battle trying to sign up customers for the coveted 'triple play': it's fiber-to-the-premises vs. cable for broadband, television, and phone. Cablevision is slinging lines like 'We're not afraid of your fiber!' Tech blogger Mike Murray discloses evidence that Cablevision's CEO may be enjoying FiOS at home. He writes: 'Click the picture to the right showing a Verizon FiOS can and drop directly above Cablevision's CEO Chuck Dolan's Oyster Bay, Long Island mailbox.' He's not scared! He's a customer!"

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give him credit (4, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | about 7 years ago | (#20522887)

This doesn't have to be evidence that Verizon is better or that Dolan is a hypocrite. It may well be that he deserves credit for checking out the competition, or that his own service isn't available where he lives.

Re:give him credit (2, Insightful)

ultranova (717540) | about 7 years ago | (#20523443)

This doesn't have to be evidence that Verizon is better or that Dolan is a hypocrite. It may well be that he deserves credit for checking out the competition, or that his own service isn't available where he lives.

If you work for McDonald's, are you a hypocrite because you prefer to eat at Burger King ? Do you need to justify yourself by saying you're "checking out the competition" ?

This whole discussion is ridiculous, since it presupposes that people owe loyalty to the companies they work for. They don't. And even the CEO is, ultimately, just an employee.

I guess there's nothing more important happening this weekend...

Re:give him credit (4, Insightful)

unlametheweak (1102159) | about 7 years ago | (#20523487)

the CEO is, ultimately, just an employee.

A CEO isn't "just an employee". A CEO represents the company he works for. The position is very sales oriented in most cases. And a CEO is generally elected to that position by the shareholders. There is politics involved, so being politically astute is important.

Re:give him credit (1)

Garnaralf (595872) | about 7 years ago | (#20523825)

No, the Dolan's bought back the company earlier in the spring.

And why would he have FiOS when CBV employees gets TV gold package, Internet, and VoIP for free? I get it, and I'm just a tech support slob.

The real reason... (1)

Gription (1006467) | about 7 years ago | (#20527207)

I think it is a pretty easy guess that the real reason that he has FiOS is that the way ISPs have locked out competition in local markets, he probably just can't get anything but Verizon at his house!

Re:give him credit (1)

bluephone (200451) | about 7 years ago | (#20526443)

Not to mention that if as CEO even YOU don't prefer your own company's products, why should anyone else? As CEO it's your job to make sure as many people as possible prefer your product over the competition.

Re:give him credit (1)

Giometrix (932993) | about 7 years ago | (#20527721)

"And even the CEO is, ultimately, just an employee."

True... but as a consumer/investor, I prefer my CEO's to "eat their own dog food". While the CEO can get whatever service he wants; he's hurting the company he represents by going with the competition instead of his own service because it shows (or at least looks as if) his own product is lacking what the competition has.

Re:give him credit (1)

Duhavid (677874) | about 7 years ago | (#20523877)

It could be that this is the only service he could get in his area.

Re:give him credit (2, Interesting)

xSauronx (608805) | about 7 years ago | (#20524607)

Seriously. I worked for a Wireless ISP in Kansas that is in the midst of expansion and acquistion and the President only *recently* got service from his own company, and was until then using that of the competition, because we hadn't been able to negotiate a deal for tower space to hang our own equipment in his area, and the nearest area from which his service area is now bridged (Town 1 is a service area with the T1, and has a 5 mile wireless bridge to Town 2, which is quite small, and the home of the president of the company)

He is, however, much happier with his own service. The competition has oversold their bandwidth and was quite slow, with lousy response times.

Re:give him credit (1)

jayratch (568850) | about 7 years ago | (#20529617)

Nope. Optimum has effectively 100% coverage in his area. I'm somewhat surprised that he was able to get FIOS as the north shore are he lives on is inaccessible for a lot of things.

This is also the guy who, as an AT&T customer, lobbies in his community association to disallow new cell sites, and then calls AT&T to complain there's no reception by his house.

So he's a truly intelligent and consistent individual, but I only know this from my dealings with him.

Re:give him credit (1)

Duhavid (677874) | about 7 years ago | (#20530341)

So, he is a "no choice for you, peon", "what the heck,
I got money, why cant I have everything I want now"
kind of guy?

Let me be the first to say.. (4, Funny)

ynososiduts (1064782) | about 7 years ago | (#20522899)

.. so what?

Re:Let me be the first to say.. (0)

Derek Loev (1050412) | about 7 years ago | (#20523153)

Was anybody actually surprised when they saw kdawson submitted this article?
Seriously, anybody.

Re:Let me be the first to say.. (1)

Bryson (112202) | about 7 years ago | (#20523363)

I second the "so what". Let's not encourage more companies to make
more stupid rules placing more restrictions on what their employees
do away from work.

Not news, not for nerds, does not matter.

Re:Let me be the first to say.. (1)

Kopiok (898028) | about 7 years ago | (#20524641)

Its a "big deal" because as the CEO of his company he is supposed to show complete faith in the company and do everything to ensure it's success and make it better than the competition. By using a competitor in hos own home, he's showing that he thinks his service is inferior to the competitors service. If the CEO of the company thinks his product sucks, what is everyone else supposed to think?

Re:Let me be the first to say.. (1)

ynososiduts (1064782) | about 7 years ago | (#20525781)

So if the CEO of Pepsi Co drinks a coke it should make the front page? Because the CEO of GM gets drove around in a Lincoln Town Car stretch limo, we should all care? Any of this really isn't news. Maybe Cablevision isn't offered in his area, maybe he's test driving FiOS, or maybe he's a quality freak and wants 1080 lines of resolution to watch football on as opposed to the 720 offered by cable. This is about as important as Paris Hilton going to jail or Guliani spending more time at Yankee Stadium then ground zero after 9/11* (which I can see, I hate walking by it). It just isn't news. * Rolling Stone seemed to think this was a bad thing in their most recent issue. I don't see why. I hate going through it every time I go to the city via the PATH train.

Re:Let me be the first to say.. (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | about 7 years ago | (#20527379)

So if the CEO of Pepsi Co drinks a coke it should make the front page?

Actually, people at Pepsi Co sales get fired for drinking coke. So, yes, CEO of Pepsi Co drinking coke *is* a front page news.

Re:Let me be the first to say.. (1)

badasscat (563442) | about 7 years ago | (#20528939)

By using a competitor in hos own home, he's showing that he thinks his service is inferior to the competitors service.

He's showing no such thing. First of all, how do you know he doesn't have both services? He's the CEO of a company, it's his responsibility to know what his competitors are doing. You're not going to see a cable drop from the street. Though my bet is you'd probably see several satellite dishes on top of his house too, if you walked down his driveway. He has to know what all of his competitors' services are like in comparison to his own company's.

I also looked at these photos, and they show a FiOS can over two mailboxes. Now, I had FiOS myself for a while, and I didn't have a can anywhere near my house. So this is not even proof of anything in the first place. It could just as easily be his neighbors'.

Complete non-story.

he'd be an idiot... (3, Interesting) (463190) | about 7 years ago | (#20522907)

NOT to evaluate the competitor's product. What's the point of this story?

Redundant connections (2, Interesting)

maxrate (886773) | about 7 years ago | (#20522911)

I run my own ISP - I supply high-speed to my residence via my own service AND the cable company. I like the redundancy. Yes - my ISP can have problems too (very rare, but I'm the first to admit it can happen)! I also like to keep an eye on the 'competitions' performance. A lot can be done with DOCSIS 3.0 over cable. As long as your connection is consistenly fast and reliable (and you're happy) who cares if it's fiber or not? I'm around fibre connections all day while at work (long-haul to other ISPs) I suppose I'm used to it, where many are not. Other than the connection being fibre, at the end of the day it's pretty much all the same as long as your are happy with your connection. As time moves on and things get upgraded, I have no doubt that fibre to the home will be the way everyone will/should connect in the coming years.

Re:Redundant connections (1)

karnal (22275) | about 7 years ago | (#20523155)

Competition = lower prices.

I have Cable Internet via Insight Communications @ around 55$ / month. The only cable offering that I can get. No fiber. DSL is out since I don't have a PSTN line into my house - unless I feel like paying a 20$ loop fee on top of a DSL charge, which makes it more expensive than cable for the same speeds.

If there are more choices, there's always a chance that they'll start fighting each other for marketshare based on price. Every now and again I'll see commercials for DSL reaching into the 20$ range (without loop cost) and then I'll see commercials for Roadrunner for less than what I pay for - usually only for a limited time (6 months, 12 months) and only limited to new customers.

Unless you call them up and complain.

Re:Redundant connections (1)

shaggy43 (21472) | about 7 years ago | (#20523291)

We have Insight for the same reasons, but it' $45/mo (after taxes) for 10.0mbit (in Louisville, KY).

Competition, weak as it is here, is a good thing.

Two things spring to mind... (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 7 years ago | (#20522917)

  1. How long has he actually been living at the premises?
  2. Are these two fuzzy photos of two separate things actually linkable in any way to this person?

Re:Two things spring to mind... (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 years ago | (#20523099)

I agree, and a step further. Even if we do believe that the two photos are indeed located where the article says, how do we know which house the service is going to?

I mean I see not just one, but two mail boxes, couldn't the other house have the service?

This just seems like some sort of troll article.

Re:Two things spring to mind... (1)

thebear05 (916315) | about 7 years ago | (#20523773)

from the "article" UPDATE: Due to the posting of this on Slashdot, this picture size has been reduced. Sorry. - Mike

Re:Two things spring to mind... (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | about 7 years ago | (#20524609)

As the CEO of a tech company, he probably has leased-line service from his company. They may have even contracted a competitor to provide a dark-fiber link to the house. Then, at the CO, they cross-connect that to his company's infrastructure.

Even if it is a true FiOS connection, they probably have VPN hardware on there to encrypt the link back to his companies' network. I mean, could you imagine getting a call from the rival CEO asking why you spent so much time on 4chan?

two mailboxes (3, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 7 years ago | (#20522931)

Seeing as how there are two mailboxes in that picture, isn't it just as likely that his next-door neighbor has FiOS instead?

Or his neighbours? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20522941)

The pic shows his mailbox, and his neighbours. Unless they can say its going to his property I dont think proximity to his mail box is particularly reliable way to judge whose taking the service. If it was the only mailbox for a mile, maybe, but when its 6ft from next doors its a bit much to jump to conclusions from.

Maybe he can't get CableVision. (1)

antdude (79039) | about 7 years ago | (#20522949)

Maybe he can't get CableVision in his area?

Re:Maybe he can't get CableVision. (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 7 years ago | (#20523043)

And he's the boss!

What chance to the rest of us have?


Time Warner Fiber? (1)

SolusSD (680489) | about 7 years ago | (#20523017)

Time Warner in Lincoln, NE is advertising their new High Speed Fiber Network, but it doesn't appear to be a service you can buy-- it just shows up on all their commercials... "Brought to you by Time Warners advanced Fiber Optic network"

Re:Time Warner Fiber? (1)

rob1980 (941751) | about 7 years ago | (#20523147)

Cox in Omaha does the same thing. You're not buying fiber service, but they still say their network is run by fiberoptics.

Re:Time Warner Fiber? (1)

SolusSD (680489) | about 7 years ago | (#20523551)

i guess its just the cable companies way of saying "hey, we've got fiber too!"

Re:Time Warner Fiber? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20524855)

You live in Lincoln.... and you are paying TW for internet? Do you realize with your knowledge and about a $50-$60 investment you could be receiving TW internet for free?

I live about 60 miles west of you in a podunk town and am getting my Internet for free.

Yes I am "stealing" it but if you invest in a wireless card you can also steal it too.

Your situation is probably better then mine.... I am stuck using someones 11Mbs cable connection
but for the past year I have paid lemme fire up my Excel spreadsheet exactly $0.00 to have internet.

At this moment I have (let me open netstumbler....) 16 access points of which 10 are open.

The greatest advantage of this is I am using a Mac Address that is too close to my antenna so I have to spoof that address in order to connect. I am entirely anonymous and untraceable.

You too can do the unthinkable... Save yourselves the well lets see in my area we have 3 choices
Windstream DSL, Dialup, and Cable companies idea of Internet access.

Never underestimate the ignorance of your neighbors.... let them pay for your access and if your really hard core tell their router to route your traffic w/o any limitations.

My feelings are if their transmitting where I can pick it up w/o any encryption I and I believe the FCC has no problems with me using said signals

And before I get flamed for being a scourge of the internet, I am just using what the law/the cable companies TOS allow. The people that are broadcasting their signal where I can pick it up and allowing me to ask for an internet address are the ones at fault.

Till they start prosecuting these same generous people for allowing open access points I will continue to use what I as a taxpaying citizen have already paid for.

These are Radio Signals that if I would be so inclined to limit to the AM/FM frequencies and build a receiver that could use the same I am ENTIRELY within my rights to us.

Re:Time Warner Fiber? (1)

SolusSD (680489) | about 7 years ago | (#20525407)

I have plenty of wireless connections around me. I live in an apartment complex-- there are, currently, 9 other connections i could conenct to, the issue is i use vpn to connect to my home network and ssh to tunnel several other protocols. I need my own connection. I currently pay $41/mo for earthlink highspeed (cable)-- it is still through time warner, technically. I live w/ my girlfriend and another friend so the cost split 3 ways isnt too bad.

Re:Time Warner Fiber? (1)

jnv11 (576828) | about 7 years ago | (#20526175)

Any reasonably-sized cable plant that can handle digital signals uses a hybrid fiber coaxial (or HFC) network. Since digital signals will not survive cables that are too long, the cable company replaced many long haul cables with fiber optic lines, which then terminate at local optical to coax nodes. The cable companies could have asked everyone to abandon their coax wiring and replace all that with fiber wiring. However, most people do not like the idea of having to have their houses rewired for fiber after coax was installed, and having their older televisions becoming obsoleted by the cable company's forced replacement. Also, fiber transceivers that can handle wavelength division multiplexing probably will raise the price of cable boxes, modems, and televisions through the roof, while electrical tuners cost much less to manufacture. Therefore, this hybrid technology was created to solve these problems. Here, the benefits of going all-fiber seemed too little for too much cost.

Now, some people might compare the scenario of replacing coax with fiber to what is going on with HDTV and the phasing out of the NTSC standard. The main reason driving this change is much more substantial, though: the radio dispatch band which emergency services used was getting crowded out by Nextel, which originally was a commercial radio dispatch service which had cellular telephony hacked on. It became crowded enough that emergency crews were dealing with dead spots caused by interference from Nextel, which was not good. Some people noticed that there were many empty TV channels. They were empty because neighboring NTSC TV channels crosstalked over each other (e.g. channel 47 would interfere with channels 46 and 48). The new ATSC format was designed to be much more neighbor friendly, so some channels can then be moved next to each other to make room for an emergency-services band and other uses that were determined by frequency auctions. Therefore, there was a valid reason for the government to need to force the market because the current NTSC, which is an imperfect hack that added color to the original black and white NTSC system and therefore causes some noticeable artifacts, has too much market momentum to die its deserved death naturally. Here, the benefits of better emergency communications resulting in saved lives and stopped crimes outweighed the costs of obsoleting NTSC-only equipment in Congress's eyes.

Not the right box... (4, Informative)

jea6 (117959) | about 7 years ago | (#20523045)

As a Fios customer, I can tell you that a box on the wires on the street doesn't mean you have service. What matters is the ONT box that would be affixed to the side of your house. No pic of the ONT, no evidence of Fios service.

Re:Not the right box... (1)

Aladrin (926209) | about 7 years ago | (#20523179)

The pictures aren't even the same... I'm not even sure they were taken with the same camera!

I think the whole article is a joke. It says the pictures shows a box above the mailbox... Yes it does... But only because someone's rudimentary photoshop skills pasted the picture there. He references another site (Bernstein Research) but provides no link whatsoever.

Re:Not the right box... (1)

amrust (686727) | about 7 years ago | (#20523241)

Aside from the differences in photo quality between the two, there appears to be a datestamp in the top photo, and none in the bottom photo.

Even if they are from the same camera (and that appears unlikely), it still just looks like a picture of some wires, AND a picture of a mailbox.

That's like taking a picture of me on a John Deere, and a picture of the White House, and then claiming I mow the President's yard.

WTF! (0)

semiotec (948062) | about 7 years ago | (#20523055)

Hey, that's MINE mailbox! and I sure ain't some fancy-schmancy CEO!

Being one who grew up on Long Island.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20523225)

I can tell you old chucky boy is a deeply disturbed and eccentric man. It's tough to tell what he's trying to prove with this. With him it can be he does like fios better or like others suggested he checking out the competition(but being a ceo of a large company, i would of had my employees do that instead).

Re:Being one who grew up on Long Island.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20524525)

would of had

Please stop killing the English language.

How can you tell if you have FiOS? (1)

pongo000 (97357) | about 7 years ago | (#20523585)

So the other day, a youngish surfer dude in a bright red shirt emblazoned with the "Verizon FiOS" log comes to the door. The conversation goes something like this:

Him: "So, how's the new FiOS service?"
Me: "Umm...what FiOS service?"
Him: (Looks at clipboard with one piece of paper on it.) "Looks like we installed here a few weeks back. This your address?"
Me: "Why, yes it is." (Stealth thinking mode kicks in.) "Yeah, sorry, my mind was elsewhere...service is great!"
Him: "And the TV and the internet connection are working fine?"
Me: "Oh yes, fantastic! Couldn't have dumped Comcast any sooner!"
Him: "Well, that's great. Anything else you need, just let me know."

And there I stood, watching surfer dude walk away, trying to figure out how in the hell I can tell whether I really do have FiOS. My understanding is that the copper is cut to the house after FiOS is installed, and there was a lot of digging in the yard a few weeks back when Verizon's contractors came through. So, is there a way I can tell whether I'm hooked up?

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (1)

amrust (686727) | about 7 years ago | (#20523625)

Your neighborhood may have infrastructure in place, but I wouldn't think you could log in to their network without a valid account/ID/pw.

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20525697)

There's a box outside your house that you can open and clearly find out if it's FiOs or not. There is also a battery inside your house. My understanding is that Verizon also sets up a new router for you (as they did for me). My Verizon office is literally down the street so I have excellent FiOS service.

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20523959)

Uh.. dude..

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (1)

VZbswguy (1153795) | about 7 years ago | (#20524073)

I do hope that you are kidding, but here you go.

You could tell if you has FiOS service several ways. First, someone would have had to order the service. Second, there would be an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) mounted somewhere on your house as wll as a power supply inside the house. There are 2 different ONT models, Measuring roughly 12"x16" or 12"X12" which has green leds on the inside.

As a Verizon employee I have had FiOS for almost 2 years, and I can say, it is really not much better than other services offer by say Brighthouse or Comcast or any others. Personally, I really miss my TiVo.

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about 7 years ago | (#20524243)

just put in myth and be done with it.

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (1)

pongo000 (97357) | about 7 years ago | (#20524659)

I do hope that you are kidding, but here you go.

Partially kidding. The conversation was real. Verizon thinks I have FiOS installed. As a previous poster so glibly alluded to, my next Verizon bill will tell the tale.

Since I know I don't have an ONT or battery in the garage, it's highly doubtful I have FiOS. Now to see if Verizon agrees with me...

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | about 7 years ago | (#20532159)

As a Verizon employee I have had FiOS for almost 2 years, and I can say, it is really not much better than other services offer by say Brighthouse or Comcast or any others. Personally, I really miss my TiVo.

Er, why can't you use your TiVo on FiOS?

Sure there is! (4, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | about 7 years ago | (#20524313)

So, is there a way I can tell whether I'm hooked up?
Easy! Just look at your checkbook and see if you wrote any checks to Verizon lately.

Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20524317)

Signs that you've had FIOS installed:

- They've dug up your yard or installed an overhead fiber connection to hook your house up to the fiber laid in the street
- There's an ONT ("optical network terminal") installed on the side of your house or in the garage
- There's a battery backup unit installed in your garage
- There's a broadband router insatlled in your living room
- They've connected the newly installed router in your living room to the ONT and battery pack in the garage


Re:How can you tell if you have FiOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20528269)

Holy crap, are you on the right website? You can't tell if you have FiOS and you're supposedly a geek?

This just in... (1)

drcagn (715012) | about 7 years ago | (#20524257)

Target CEO once stepped foot inside a Wal-Mart! AMD CEO once used a computer running an Intel processor! PepsiCo CEO once drank a Coke!

Obligatory FIOS Complaint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20524595)

Verizon FIOS offered in Beaumont, CA. Also offered in Palm Springs, CA. I live along the only major road between the two cities. Major power, phone, etc. run along this road. Confirmed with FIOS support that, yes, the FIOS line does run through the ground along my street. Two new Verizon boxes (each roughly the size of a smallish refrigerator) put in about 100 yards down the street. I realize these boxes might have something to do with providing phone service to the new homes being built along our road, but I can't shake the feeling that they might be the boxes for serving FIOS to the area. Despite all of this, Verizon still says no FIOS availability, even though the line runs less than 50 ft from my house. Frustration of the highest order.

What this means (1)

kimvette (919543) | about 7 years ago | (#20524833)

It means that either:

1. The CEO of the company disagrees with the cable companies undisclosed bandwidth tap while advertising "unlimited" access
2. The CEO wants to run a bittorrent client and is sick of dealing with the cable company's illegally compromising his traffic
3. The CEO wants a provider which supports net neutrality

(I kid, I kid. I understand there may be other reasons)

Re:What this means (1)

Workaphobia (931620) | about 7 years ago | (#20530975)

Oh, and Verizon's better in that regard? I have news for you: all consumer ISPs suck.

Verizon's Terms of Service and Acceptible Use Policy (scroll down to the AUP, it's more interesting): p []

I researched that when a Verizon salesman came to our house. Note in particular that you may not use the service for
- Anything deemed objectionable by Verizon
- Anything that defames Verizon
- Using hyperlinks that contain the verizon name
- To make off-topic posts to newsgroups
- Excessive traffic as determined by Verizon
- And the required gem that's in all TOS/AUPs: "3.7.5 You may not use the Broadband Service to host any type of server whether personal or commercial in nature."
- The last time I searched for this document, it actually enumerated a number of protocols that you may not serve from your connection, including (but of course not limited to) http, ftp, and bittorrent. This version seems to not have that clause. I believe there was also something in there last time about not pointing a domain name to a dynamic IP address (i.e., you can't use a DynDNS service)

Hell of a lot of good all that bandwidth would do me if all I'm allowed to do with it is surf the freaking web.

In other news.... (0)

Ritchie70 (860516) | about 7 years ago | (#20524887)

The management of McDonald's doesn't always eat hamburgers.

Re:In other news.... (1)

badhat (944785) | about 7 years ago | (#20524943)

I work for a small cable company that has 3 higher echelon managers that can't get the companies service at their homes. Instead they have sattelite tv and fiber internet provided by a local utility. So whether that CEO has his own companies service or not doesn't mean he is against one or the other. It just means he is human and needs television and internet.


twistedgamer (1008185) | about 7 years ago | (#20524975)

Nice to see something that was all over the Cable Vision forums on last year is being slash dotted.

Isn't FiOS better? (1)

Arterion (941661) | about 7 years ago | (#20525095)

Why would he go with cable when fiber is available? Sure cable is going to market itself as the better option, but from a technological standpoint, it's not.

Re:Isn't FiOS better? (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 7 years ago | (#20526535)

Why would he go with cable when fiber is available? Sure cable is going to market itself as the better option, but from a technological standpoint, it's not.

Just looking at FIOS pricing, the options are 5/15/30 Mbps for $40/$50/$180 per month. []

Cablevision offers 15 and 30 Mbps plans for $45 and $60 per month, possibly cheaper if you get additional services from them.

Why should someone care if they have a coax or fiber cable running into their house? The coax connects to a fiber backbone once it hits the utility poll anyway.

Not the CEO (1)

slashchuck (617840) | about 7 years ago | (#20525289)

Charles F. "Chuck" Dolan [] is the founder and Chairman of Cablevision. The President and CEO, is his son James L. Dolan [] .

They are more than just employees, they control the company.

As others have mentioned, having a Verizon box in the street in front of your house, does not necessarily mean that you are a customer.

It's an outdoor wire box, not a subscriber box (1)

isdnip (49656) | about 7 years ago | (#20526169)

FiOS uses a technology called Passive Optical Network (PON), which means that one strand of fiber is divided passively among up to 32 subscribers. There's one box that does 4:1 and one that does 8:1 between the subscriber and the optical terminal. It's not terribly flexible; they have to guess what the ultimate penetration might be and then lay out enough to get there, with splitters all over the place up on the poles.

When someone subscribes, they run a drop fiber to the home and mount an Optical Network Terminal (ONT) on the side of the house. THAT marks a subscriber. The stuff on the pole doesn't; that merely marks a "home passed", a place where somebody has the ability to become a subscriber.

I do know someone who has both FiOS and cable modem service. He's a well-known ubergeek, and can afford both; it gives him redundancy and the ability to compare the two. A cable executive might even want a second link to his house, to see what the competition's up to.

Old News (1)

PacketScan (797299) | about 7 years ago | (#20526209)

News about his has been floating around for years. Guess you have to keep and eye on the competition.

Verizon FiOS , can they see me? (1)

cabazorro (601004) | about 7 years ago | (#20527565)

I'm disturbed by the fact the Verizon forced to put their own router, not a bridge, a router, inside my house to connect my pc's with. Does that mean they can see every packet going between 2 computers inside my house? I went ahead and plugged my own linksys NAT Firewall to their router but one system's VPN won't work across 2 routers so I had to connect it directly to their router. Does anyone know if Verizon can peek inside my house network traffic?

Re:Verizon FiOS , can they see me? (1)

ffejie (779512) | about 7 years ago | (#20530105)

They can't, they don't care. They use the ActionTec router because it provides the kind of high throughput needed for 30 Mbps. The last I heard, you could replace their router with your router if you could simulate the settings on the ActionTec.

Re:Verizon FiOS , can they see me? (1)

Workaphobia (931620) | about 7 years ago | (#20531009)

Could you elaborate on that? Why is 30 Mbps considered high throughput for a 100 Mbps router?

Given that I live in Maine... (1)

markhb (11721) | about 7 years ago | (#20532659)

...where Verizon is actively trying to dump their business off to Fairpoint to avoid keeping their "FIOS to all our customers" pledge, I find myself unable to care about who has what on Long Island. Sorry.

Lucky Him (1)

Paulrothrock (685079) | about 7 years ago | (#20533897)

I'd be happy if I were able to get FiOS at my house. I guess being super-rich has its privileges.

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