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Web OS, ajaxWindows Launched

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the then-your-internet-connection-dies dept.

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BigRedFed writes "Michael Robertson, of mp3.com fame, Linspire.com fame (or infamy depending on your view point) and more recently, ajax13.com has released another interesting piece of web software. ajaxWindows they are calling it and it's an almost full fledged web based OS that you can use to transport around your documents and mp3 collection to any device with an internet connection and a full web-browser."

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Transport my docs and mp3? (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543861)

I think my 4 Gb USB memory thingy is easier and faster to use for that, Thanks.

Re:Transport my docs and mp3? (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544305)

> I think my 4 Gb USB memory thingy is easier and faster to use for that, Thanks.

Gates: You got your Javascript in my Windows!
Web2.0: You got your Windows in my Javascript!

Your USB stick is easier to use and faster. But behold! My block of swiss cheese has a stronger security model!

Re:Transport my docs and mp3? (3, Funny)

Supergibbs (786716) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544953)

Well my USB drive has a rootkit built in!

Re:Transport my docs and mp3? (-1, Offtopic)

R00BYtheN00BY (1118945) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544383)


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Stop This Spamm: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544431)

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Re:Transport my docs and mp3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20545205)

Maybe in 10 years, programmers will stop trying to re-invent XWindows in the browser; and real progress will continue once again.

Everyone is so LCD (lowest common denominiator) now-a-days... sad!

That went down fast (4, Funny)

jtroutman (121577) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543873)

I think I can smell the servers burning from here...

Re:That went down fast (1)

Sylvak (967868) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543903)

yeah, tried to look at the site and got a 404

Re:That went down fast (1)

kc2keo (694222) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544093)

Not working here either: " 404 Not Found / was not found on this server. Resin-3.0.21 (built Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:03:19 PDT) "

You DOSsed My OS! (5, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544453)

Yeah, wait til I slap a XSS bug on yer ass! Or what about the unpatched vulns [110mb.com] ?

I'M IN UR OS, STEALIN' UR WEBZ!

As Scotty once said ... (2, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543917)

"He's dead already, Jim."

And that's too bad ... I would have liked to have taken a look at it first before commenting on it.

Guess I'll just start commenting anyway.

Re:As Scotty once said ... (2, Interesting)

omeomi (675045) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544045)

From the site:

500 Servlet Exception java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/local/ajax13web/apps/windows/content/index.html (Too many open files) at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:106) at com.caucho.vfs.FilePath.openReadImpl(FilePath.java:403) at com.caucho.vfs.Path.writeToStream(Path.java:1079) at com.caucho.server.connection.AbstractResponseStream.sendFile(AbstractResponseStream.java:254) at com.caucho.servlets.FileServlet.service(FileServlet.java:340) at com.caucho.server.dispatch.ServletFilterChain.doFilter(ServletFilterChain.java:106) at com.caucho.server.webapp.WebAppFilterChain.doFilter(WebAppFilterChain.java:173) at com.caucho.server.dispatch.ServletInvocation.service(ServletInvocation.java:229) at com.caucho.server.http.HttpRequest.handleRequest(HttpRequest.java:274) at com.caucho.server.port.TcpConnection.run(TcpConnection.java:511) at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.runTasks(ThreadPool.java:516) at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:442) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

Huh...my operating system never does that...

Re:As Scotty once said ... (5, Funny)

rubberglove (1066394) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544099)

yeah, the screen usually turns blue first.

Re:As Scotty once said ... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544681)

From the site:

[error message]

Huh...my operating system never does that...
So, I take it you don't run Windows?

Re:That went down fast (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20543919)

They're going to need Ajax just to clean up the mess left from the burnt servers.

ajax dot com

Re:That went down fast (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544015)

You're not missing much. Last time I saw "ajaxWindows" being worked on, it was nothing more than a regular Linux Desktop with the standard links replaced by the "ajaxOffice" applications. Given the stellar (*cough*) work done on ajaxOffice, I'm not exactly holding my breath for Michael to produce something new, original, and worth using.

Re:That went down fast (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544365)

The demo was back online for a short time. They moved the intro video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX9SvLtr4J8 [youtube.com]

I'm not entirely sure what to make of it yet. It *is* a full web interface. Which is a bonus for them. (Finally.) On the other hand, I was unable to determine if it was just XUL all over again. Which would still be neat, but not nearly as neat as it could be. There's practically no mention of ajaxOffice anywhere, with the video advertising Google Office apps. Hmm...

All the desktop widgets appear to be the same ones that Opera supports. Not quite sure what's up with that. One thing I didn't like was the use of a signed Java applet to access the desktop. While I'll grant that it may be necessary (though they might as well have signed the Javascript, then they could have just used the Firefox XPCOM APIs), it's kind of a clunky way of handling local system transfers. Once you invoke Java like that, there's always the question of why you don't just use Java in the first place?

I guess we'll see if it's truly worth any attention once the site is back up.

Re:That went down fast (1)

Scroatzilla (672804) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544265)

That will be fixed in ajaxWindows Service Pack 1.

Re:That went down fast (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544673)

Dude I just took a look at the demo and almost peed my pants from laughter.

Most of it just opens up a new browser window.

It's a novel idea, but a toy. Much IMO like Linspire...

Nominated for the worst name in history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544923)

Windows holds the record for the worst security flaws, javascript is the second.

Now they're combining them!?!? No wonder it went down so fast. This is really funny.

Scalable? (4, Funny)

sgarringer (751574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543893)

Zero comments and the site is already reporting 404 error, makes you wonder how scalable it is...

Re:Scalable? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544103)

After being Slashdotted several times before, you'd think he'd learn to have enough capacity for these things. :-/

Re:Scalable? (2, Insightful)

Amouth (879122) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544175)

and we all now can see why this isnt' going to work for the near future.. it is too easy to lose what is out there - atleast with the computer infront of me if it dies ihave options about getting my data back/

Re:Scalable? (1)

jzeejunk (878194) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544461)

i don't know about anyone else but i don't think i want an OS that gets slashdotted everytime it's talked about on slashdot

Blue Screen of Death (5, Funny)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543911)

Looks like the OS already crashed.

Re:Blue Screen of Death (1)

prxp (1023979) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544023)

Looks like the OS already crashed.
What did you expect? You realize it is ajaxWindows, right?

Re:Blue Screen of Death (1)

prxp (1023979) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544063)

P.S.: haven't read your title. :P

Re:Blue Screen of Death (5, Insightful)

blowdart (31458) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544091)

Until you can boot off it it's not an OS, it's a piece of marketing nonsense.

Re:Blue Screen of Death (1)

Beau6183 (899597) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544113)

Well, it's living up to at least one of it's namesakes.

Re:Blue Screen of Death (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544933)

Hmm...

Ajax13?

I bet they just fried their server's CPU and they don't have any spares so they must go on a long journey to find a new one, saving the world in the process.

Oh noes (-1, Offtopic)

burne (686114) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543913)

Somebody stole us the OS!

Trademark anyone? (4, Funny)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543921)

No problem with AjaxWindows. I don't see a lawsuit coming at all! (If Lindows causes a lawsuit, then AjaxWindows (combining the power of TWO trademarked names) should solve the problem!)

Re:Trademark anyone? (3, Informative)

ballwall (629887) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544263)

Re:Trademark anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544441)

Thanks for that heartwarming story! I loved it!

Re:Trademark anyone? (1)

Sczi (1030288) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544729)

Wow, all this time I thought Microsoft either won the case or at least scared them into changing the name. Instead MS paid them $24 million to change their name! The lols are insufficient.

Re:Trademark anyone? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 6 years ago | (#20545121)

Yeah, but MS realized Windows is too generic a word, and they settled. Ajax is a verbatim ripoff of an invented product name. The only defense would be that it doesn't create confusion in the marketplace, but that's far from guaranteed -- especially given "SOAP" web services -- and Colgate could probably demonstrate that it dilutes and devalues their trademark.

Re:Trademark anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20545111)

Meh. Obviously, the company is being frivolously cavalier in its' PR strategy, having drawn on the Linspire experience to guide it on how to get lots of free mainstream media play. Sounds like a quick exit sale to Google, who can afford to settle the tradename.

A slumlord flipping real estate.

Slashdotted Already? (1)

CountryGeek (35546) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543931)

The article looks interesting, but the 404 for ajaxwindows.com is disappointing. Once it's up, I wonder what interface I'll have for my blackberry (until I get an IPhone)?

Lawyers (1)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543975)

I can HEAR the paperwork being shuffled and the Microsoft layers have a currier deliver the cease and desist.

Re:Lawyers (3, Insightful)

One Louder (595430) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544067)

Which is precisely what Robertson wants - Microsoft ended up paying Lindows $20 million because they were about to lose their clearly generic "Windows" trademark.

They'll pull out the checkbook and pay him off again, or ignore it and hope it goes away on its own. The last thing they want is for this to go to court again.

Re:Lawyers (1)

GrievousMistake (880829) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544299)

Heh, release things with 'Windows' in its name and hope Microsoft sues and settles, that actually sounds like a pretty nice minimal-effort business model. I want in on that.

Re:Lawyers (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544455)

Which is precisely what Robertson wants - Microsoft ended up paying Lindows $20 million because they were about to lose their clearly generic "Windows" trademark.

They'll pull out the checkbook and pay him off again, or ignore it and hope it goes away on its own. The last thing they want is for this to go to court again.


Can you honestly say "Windows" is a generic OS name though? Do you often confuse Windows, the OS with a bunch of glass windows in your office?

This is really sad, but looks like this guy has clearly set the business model of this venture to profit from a lawsuit. No one cares about Web OS anymore, it's a failed concept, and it doesn't expire anyone, and he probably knew this as he laughed while registering the ajaxwindows.com domain.

Re:Lawyers (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544713)

Yes. A window is a generic term in GUI programming, preceeding its use as an OS name. You can't take a generic industry term and trademark it.

Re:Lawyers (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544753)

Can you honestly say "Windows" is a generic OS name though? Do you often confuse Windows, the OS with a bunch of glass windows in your office?

One of the oddities of trademark law is that you can't trademark a word already in common usage. As Bill Gates mentioned in his book, Microsoft was not allowed to trademark "Windows" by the Patent and Trademark Office. However, they were allowed to patent "Microsoft Windows".

By using such a generic name, Microsoft set themselves up for a difficult legal situation. They rely entirely on "brand confusion" to protect a trademark that is technically only valid if the name of the company is prefixed to it.

Re:Lawyers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544401)

I can HEAR the paperwork being shuffled and the Microsoft layers have a currier deliver the cease and desist.

I know spelling flames are cheap, but had to laugh at the image of Steve Ballmer coming over to brush Michael Robertson's hair.

...and mp3 collection (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543985)

Cue Universal DMCA Takedown notice in 5... 4... 3... 2...

Re:...and mp3 collection (4, Funny)

njchick (611256) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544219)

Cue Universal DMCA Takedown notice in 5... 4... 3... 2...
1... 0... 404

What on earth could go wrong? (1)

Loosifur (954968) | more than 6 years ago | (#20543987)

Browser-based OS...virtual computer...syncing data to various websites...why don't I think I'll be throwing my external harddrives away tonight?

And I thought Web 2.0 was a bunch of hype (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544005)

Accessing my mp3s and documents over the web has been a dream up to now.

Re:And I thought Web 2.0 was a bunch of hype (4, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544165)

Accessing my mp3s and documents over the web has been a dream up to now.

      That's funny, I have no trouble at all accessing your documents...

Accessing 404 errors (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544355)

So far this breakthrough technology can already access 404 errors. With a bit more development we should be able to get pictures and documents too.

Operating System (4, Interesting)

ettlz (639203) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544069)

So... um... where's the interrupt dispatcher at? Come to think of it, what about the IO handler or CPU scheduler?

Re:Operating System (1)

Mex (191941) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544427)

This is not an OS! This is at most a file manager. I just hate that they don't distinguish the difference.

Also:

"Thank you for visiting ajaxwindows.com

ajaxWindows and the Ajax13 web site are temporarily down for planned
maintenance. We expect to be back up by 2:30pm, PDT on 9/10/07

Thanks for your interest, please visit our site again, soon."

What shit. Yeah, I'm going to trust my files to that.

Re:Operating System (4, Informative)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544531)

Right you are. This is not an operating system, and its backers don't pretend that it is. Not even TFA article refers to it as an OS. It's just the usual Slashdot summarizing.

It's really an Ajax-based GUI API [wikipedia.org] . Referring to it as an "operating system" is dumb, but consistent with the way most people deal with OSs. When you hear people moan about the demise of Amiga or NextStep or Be, they almost always talk about some cool GUI feature or application, not about the software or hardware platforms the GUI is built on. And yet it's the software and hardware platforms that ultimately distinguishes one system from another. A GUI can be implemented anywhere.

But people talk about what they know, and what most people know is the GUI. So to most people, the GUI is the OS.

Re:Operating System (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544553)

I do intend to write a web-based OS. It will emulate a virtual machine, enabling all of the things that you mention.

Of course, this is just an academic excercise. The actual results will be pretty much useless.

Re:Operating System (1)

JoelKatz (46478) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544643)

It's obviously not going to have an interrupt dispatcher, but it may well have an I/O handler and a CPU scheduler. Probably "platform" is a better term than "operating system".

What sort of bandwidth ... (1)

helixcode123 (514493) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544073)

... does this need? I'm hoping each application loads its javascript when accessed, and that one doesn't need to preload the mountain of javascript necessary to run all the applications when you "boot" the OS.

Maybe you can download it? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544229)

'cause losing my pc when the DSL goes down isn't really an option.

Reboot the internet plz (5, Funny)

Mr. BS (788514) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544095)

My web-based OS has crashed with an error "404 not found" and since the screen is not blue, I don't know how I should approach this! Can you please reboot the internet for me?

Thanks in advance! :-)

Response from Redmond? (-1, Redundant)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544135)

If he got shit for using "lindows", I bet ajaxWindows is going to go down a real treat with Microsoft. Law suit in 5, 4, 3...

Money=shit? (2, Informative)

Asmor (775910) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544537)

Uhh...

Didn't Microsoft BUY the Lindows trademark, for whatever reason?

Man, that wily Gates! He sure knows how to piss someone off by throwing money at them!

Re:Response from Redmond? (4, Funny)

halivar (535827) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544651)

If he got shit for using "lindows"


If "shit" = $20 million, I'd like some shit, too.

Sounds like WebOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544151)

Anyone remember that? DHTML I think...

Web Desktop, Not OS (4, Insightful)

PineHall (206441) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544169)

I think it would be better to describe it as a "web desktop" and not a "web OS". There are plenty of "desktops" available on the web.

Re:Web Desktop, Not OS (2, Informative)

ChrisMounce (1096567) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544483)

Mod parent up.

Calling something like this an "OS" really gets on my nerves, mostly because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what an OS is. For me, what's really sad is not that the author claims that the product is "a complete virtual PC", but that I'm hoping the misleading marketing was intentional.

I suppose I shouldn't let it bother me too much, but still... this reminds me so much of the "internet is inside the little blue e" stuff.

Web OS (5, Funny)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544213)

Web OS, now THAT is a great oxymoron.

Slashdotted. (4, Interesting)

Dimentox (678813) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544221)

He got slashdotted and now makes it seem like they planed the outage.

"Thank you for visiting ajaxwindows.com

ajaxWindows and the Ajax13 web site are temporarily down for planned
maintenance. We expect to be back up by 2:30pm, PDT on 9/10/07

Thanks for your interest, please visit our site again, soon."

Re:Slashdotted. (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544301)

Well now at least we know hes up and up and can truly be trusted with my data :P

YAWOS (3, Funny)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544223)

Yeah, another "Web OS"! Now with more marketing!

Well, maybe... (5, Insightful)

christian.einfeldt (874074) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544237)

From the article, last line...

"We may wake the giant, but we're ready.
Oh, ya think?

Damn, I love this guy. Who else would do something like this? Bear in mind, this is the guy whom Microsoft sued for using the name Lindows, and ends up getting paid $20 million [webpronews.com] . Oh, and the RIAA? While others end up paying the record labels thousands for petty downloading, Michael Robertson founds MP3.com, commercializes file sharing, and gets paid hundreds of millions [webpronews.com] and then goes on to take that money to start Lindows, which, of course, lays the foundation for another pay day. And all of it using open source software.

So when Michael Robertson says that he is ready, I interpret this to mean that he is getting ready for another pay day at Microsoft's expense. LOL, party at Michael's house!

Re:Well, maybe... (3, Informative)

xtracto (837672) | more than 6 years ago | (#20545095)

For what is worth this guy is the one that is *really* bringing linux to the masses (or users) in Mexico, by selling cheap computers (at wallmart; Elektra shops [they sell home furniture and electronics providing 2, 3 or 5 years financing]). He is the kind of people that Linux needs, and although you might not know; Lindows is now based on the same Ubuntu distribution.

I am currently using Ubuntu 7.04. But if you askme what is the reason why I am not using Linspire, the answer is because I just got to the Linspire page *after* Installing Ubuntu in my PC. But, for my non-freedom-advocacy-crazy (similarly to almost all the PC end users) needs, Linspire seems really appealing.

They called it what? (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544319)

The chutzpah they have. What cell in their brains misfired when they decided to call it ajaxWindows?

I mean, Lindows went down for Chrissake, and these guys believe Microsoft won't go after them for trademark infringement? And rightly so. Many people may be mislead this is actually *Windows* written in ajax. And it's not. It's same poor imitation that has windows.

"Windows" is a registered trademark for an OS. If they claim this is "Web OS" they have, then quite rightly they will be sued and lose.

Re:They called it what? (1)

SLi (132609) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544451)

You remember how the judge didn't like MS's argument that Windows is a valid trademark, and they actually ended up paying Lindows?

"Windows" = aspirin (2, Interesting)

christian.einfeldt (874074) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544663)

That is the brilliance of Michael Robertson's strategy, and why he will win, again. Windows is far too generic a term, and Microsoft is vulnerable there, IMHO. That is probably why Microsoft paid Lindows to stop using a term that sounded like Windows. Microsoft new that it had chosen a name that is too generic. After all, a window is just the name for a frame. From Microsoft's home town newspaper [nwsource.com] , the Seattle Times:

Microsoft has settled its trademark-infringement lawsuit against Lindows.com and will pay $20 million to the San Diego-based startup, bringing an unusual end to a case that made Lindows famous.

In the final analysis, getting sued by Microsoft might have been the best thing to happen to Lindows. The company has received vast amounts of free publicity from the lawsuit, positioning itself as David to Microsoft's Goliath. And now, David is embarrassingly richer, and Goliath is richly embarrassed.
And, to quote Michael Robertson [michaelrobertson.com] from TRA about the use of the term ajaxWindows:

"We may wake the giant, but we're ready."

Re:"Windows" = aspirin (1)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544805)

That is the brilliance of Michael Robertson's strategy, and why he will win, again.

I'll accept that you call this "brilliant" only if we call patent trolls "brilliant". Because that's what his strategy is: a mutated version of patent trolling.

If Microsoft doesn't sue, they'll lose the trademark, if they sue, they'll lose the trademark. I can think of plenty of things Microsoft can be attacked for, an picking a generic word for their well recognized Windows brand isn't one of those.

Yea it's a pity they didn't have plenty of lawyers back when they were a young company to give them a piece of brand making advice. I guess in the modern world you'll get shot within a meter if you're not surrounded by lawyers telling you how exactly to step forward.

Planned ... ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544337)

ajaxWindows and the Ajax13 web site are temporarily down for planned
maintenance. We expect to be back up by 2:30pm, PDT on 9/10/07


Come on, that's just lame ...

Or does it mean that writing a horribly bloated and useless web app like that
just implies the plan to go offline 'for maintenance' as soon as more then
five users try to connect withing one hour ?

I'll wait... (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544353)

For FlexOS. This idea that you can do an ajaxOS is nonsense. The mere fact that you can't feasibly do sorts on large tables using javascript tells us that.

isBroke() (3, Funny)

joeslugg (8092) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544375)

returned '1'

google (2, Informative)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544433)

according to the video [youtube.com] it's already integrated with most of google's web apps. It's only a matter of time until they buy it out. Hopefully they will put it on some better servers as well

Re:google (2, Informative)

quantum bit (225091) | more than 6 years ago | (#20545115)

I was able to get to the site and tried the demo. "Integrated" means that when you click on 'Browser' or 'eMail', it simply opens a new (native, not one of its ajax-pseudo-windows) browser window pointing to google.com or gmail.com...

Internet explorer (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544443)

Now, I use firefox like any self respecting geek, but the whole point of this is supposed to run on anyone ELSE's computer. The unfortunate reality is I can't count on firefox being on other people's computers. If I want to borrow a computer (say a computer in a library) to run my stuff over the web, and then am required to download and install either firefox or an activeX thing to use it, you've sort of defeated the purpose, haven't you?

Practical? (4, Insightful)

VonSkippy (892467) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544471)

So I get a computer, then I load a OS, then I need a Web Browser, and I need to get a Internet Connection, THEN I can connect to a Web Service that provides me with ANOTHER desktop so that I can store stuff. Wow, compared to a $30 dollar thumb drive, that IS convenient.

Just a friendly warning (0, Redundant)

trifish (826353) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544521)

To the author:

I'm not sure you realize it, but any OS-like software with "Windows" in its name infringes the trademark of Microsoft. That's something you might want to avoid.

Re:Just a friendly warning (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544851)

``I'm not sure you realize it, but any OS-like software with "Windows" in its name infringes the trademark of Microsoft. That's something you might want to avoid.''

Not if you're Michael Robertson and you are addicted to publicity.

Remote Desktop/VNC (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544589)

Sure, you can also let people open a browser-based VNC session to whatever server OS. This will at least give them instant responsiveness and rich user interface rather than whatever can be cobbled together in Javascript. The question is, who guarantees security and backups of your data? What happens if the company goes belly up? What if you don't like the latest upgrade of their web app and would rather use the previous version? What if they start to charge for the "webOS" access or increase the existing subscription rates to something you can not afford.

Web applications give you less performance, less functionality, less security and less peace of mind for less installation difficulty, easier roaming on guest machines and sometimes cheaper prices. Weather it's a right trade off is up to you, but generally home users with slowly changing needs are at a disadvantage because of forced upgrades and associated learning curve and loss of access or security of their data at random times.

Re:Remote Desktop/VNC (1)

Beau6183 (899597) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544703)

The question is, who guarantees security and backups of your data? What happens if the company goes belly up? What if you don't like the latest upgrade of their web app and would rather use the previous version? What if they start to charge for the "webOS" access or increase the existing subscription rates to something you can not afford.
It's all in the http://www.ajaxwindows.com/en/terms.jsp [ajaxwindows.com] TOS (section 14) of the site. They assume no responsibility for any type of back up, integrity, content, etc. Typical web-based CYA stuff.

Its *not* an OS (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544623)

Its a virtual machine.

Not going to debate its merits as ive not seen it yet, but at least call it what it is.

Microsoft C&D in 5... 4... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544645)

Seriously, ajaxWindows? You couldn't think of a better name for an AJAX-based OS?

The ultimate irony (1)

dokebi (624663) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544683)

There is a web browser inside the web browser!

Re:The ultimate irony (1)

stm2 (141831) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544779)

This could be useful when you are using a insecure browser at a public place and want to use the net with firefox, without install it.

Re:The ultimate irony (1)

Beau6183 (899597) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544783)

But can it run ajaxwindows.com?

Re:The ultimate irony (2, Interesting)

quantum bit (225091) | more than 6 years ago | (#20545155)

There is a web browser inside the web browser!
That's what I thought at first until I tried actually clicking on it and it just popped open a new firefox window. Lame.

Would you trust this man with your daughter? (2, Interesting)

Moth Boy (990006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544699)

I checked out the MP3.com bankruptcy auction a few years back. The stuff they had in there was a mind-blowing waste of money. Tons of the best new equipment, hideously expensive (and ugly) interior decorating including an honest to god bordello for visiting musicians. In one of the oak-paneled developer conference rooms with 360-degree white boards and projectors and other gadgets galore, somebody had written the note: "Robertson + $$ = stupidity"

AjaxInternetExplorer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20544701)

I hope it comes with a cool web browser ...

gee golly wally! (1)

Neptune0z (930626) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544793)

hmmmm. Something about this seems a little premature to me. Ajax (nah. everything web 2.0) isnt exactly known for it's security. Javascript has a track-record of being slightly below a paperbag in terms of security and getting it to do things the web developers didnt intend. Now, these people are advocating the same flawed technology should be used to construct a web-os. laughable ! Rest assured the phishers and malware guys are grinning ear-to-ear right now. That first argument aside, an OS as a service. C-mon. Call me silly, but im seeing this as a bad idea PERIOD. $$$ Big business is grinning at the idea of everyone using what basically amounts to a dumb terminal with a net connection, while they sit back and provide all the "services" at a price of course. A little forsight goes a long way...

Awesome! (4, Insightful)

mihalis (28146) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544843)

I'm sitting at a Sun Ultra 40 running Windows XP 64-bit edition. 4 CPU cores. 8GB RAM. NVIDIA QuadroFX 3450 graphics. I'm on a gigabit connection to a major internet link (major financial news and data company). Even so, ajaxWindows recreates that, sticky, gummy, nasty feeling of running X-Windows when the machine isn't really powerful enough and dragging solid windows around is still a reckless waste of horsepower.

The early 90s called, they want their SPARCstation 5s back.

Back up, so... critique. (4, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544849)

This sucks worse than most similar sites I've looked at.

The server running slowly showed up some serious cracks in their design. First off, they're calling this AJAX? It _pauses_ while downloading stuff. Some core code is _not_ asynchronous.

There are a number of problems with the user interface. At one point I was prompted with a browser window about trusting the site without any comment that this would happen. When I said I didn't trust it, I ended up with a box on the screen that obscured other windows, even when they were supposedly in front of it in z-order. Assuming the content would have been implemented with Java, I don't see how this is ever going to be different, even if I had decided to trust it (Java applet components cannot have HTML-rendered components in front of them; basic browser limitation).

When I told it to add a new application, it crashed. No components worked.

Many elements of the user interface are blatant ripoffs of other people's designs. The add applications dialog uses an almost identical layout and icon set to Microsoft's similar control panel application in Windows. The icon for their "synchronize" application is a direct rip-off of Palm's HotSync icon.

And finally, when I closed the desktop window, it crashed Firefox. I couldn't switch tabs, and couldn't set the focus to any controls. I had to kill it and restart to post this message.

thats ajax for you mate (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#20545079)

it behaves differently on every client hardware / software combination and installed programs. and some registry stuff. and some settings. and then some more stuff.

client side scripting = gambling

Not qualified as a Windows stuff (1)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 6 years ago | (#20544999)

I clicked the "Click here for system requirements" link [ajaxwindows.com] on their index page and the pop-up showed a 500 internal error page.

Ergo, it does not qualify as one of the members bearing the Windows family name. I, the consumer, should have been able to experience the BSOD feature. However, it ended up with a non-user-friendly plain text error message!

Old Concept, New Technology (1)

CSMastermind (847625) | more than 6 years ago | (#20545075)

Never heard of youOS? http://www.youos.com/ [youos.com] It's a java-based web operating system. And it runs better than the Ajax one.
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