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Wii Outsells 360, PS3 Worldwide

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the top-dog-has-a-waggle dept.

Wii 491

Wowzer writes "Despite confusing consoles produced, shipped or sold reports, the Nintendo Wii is now the best-selling system worldwide. Its sales exceed that of the Xbox 360 despite Microsoft's console having a year-long head start. And it's way ahead of the PS3. From the article: 'Sales figures from each console's launch date through the end of July (and the end of August in Japan) were added up, with the Wii just barely edging out the 360: 9 million for the Wii, 8.9 million for the 360, and 3.7 million for the PlayStation 3.'"

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491 comments

Sooooo... (1, Interesting)

Duffy13 (1135411) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592535)

Is anyone actually surprised here?

Re:Sooooo... (5, Insightful)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592591)

The game companies that thought it would fail and weren't prepared for its success.

Re:Sooooo... (5, Insightful)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593231)

And based on Nintendo's difficulty in satisfying demand, it's not much of a stretch to include them among those companies. It's easy to say something is a sure bet in hindsight, but that's not how it looked back before anyone had gotten their hands on the Nintendo Revolution.

Different doesn't always mean better, and features on paper don't necessarily describe the experience. How well has motion control worked in the past? How precise will the controller be? Assuming everything else remained the same, but the wiimote was looser, that alone could sink the console. Game controls need to be consistent and precise because that control mechanism is their only connection to the game. Plus the hardware is specced lower than the other two consoles. And their previous console came in last of the three. The Wii was not the safe bet, thus developers went with the tried and true formula on the other platforms and are now scrambling to play catch-up.

Even Nintendo didn't bet on doing this well, the numbers of consoles sold were constrained by Nintendo's supply, not demand. You can find a Wii without camping out now, after all this time, but they still get cleared off the shelves before the next shipment. When the holiday season rolls in they may be a chore to find once again.

But the upshot through all this, is that it's indeed the most prolific console now, and though developers may be a little late to the party, there will probably be a nice big wave of games hitting all at once as they finish their late-starting Wii games.

Re:Sooooo... (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593603)

The game companies that thought it would fail and weren't prepared for its success.

Based on Nintendo's track record, it wasn't an especially unreasonable assumption. Keep in mind that Nintendo's philosophy behind the Wii (appeal to families and non-hardcore-gamers) is just what they did for the Gamecube and Nintendo 64, and both of those systems had relatively mediocre sales performance.

Re:Sooooo... (1)

Nosklo (815041) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592727)

Is anyone actually surprised here?
I am surprised it took so long. I am surprised people still pay to play the same game with revamped graphics instead of a whole new idea with innovation.

Re:Sooooo... (3, Interesting)

LithiumX (717017) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592995)

Innovation is good but not universally good.

I got one for my niece and nephew, and they love it. Even my parents (approaching their 60's) can understand it better than they could understand a PS2. People in nursing homes are finding they love it. Small children can use it, and it still has appeal for the 10-40 crowd. That's the core of it's sales - it has a far wider range of appeal.

However, it's graphics capabilities are not as advanced, and games for it have trouble comparing to their counterparts on other systems. The controls are an excellent idea, but could be much better designed (for instance, NOW is the time to resurrect the Power Glove). Other consoles can and will follow suit (unless Nintendo is able to file suit - difficult considering previous art).

The Wii is doing well because Nintendo always does well, even when they're not on top. Not only do they do well, but they do well without being the most technically advanced - because they pursue a wider market, rather than competing more heavily in a single one (such as the recent widespread dedication to hard core gamers, which turned out to be a mistake as HCG's were the most vocal, but not the most profitable).

Games are like movies. The slightly improved same-old-same-old will usually make more money than the truly innovative, just as the best movies usually never become blockbusters, and the apparent fact that you can make artistically great music, or you can make wildly popular music, but you can very rarely ever do both.

The Wii was a great concept, and if they don't blow it they could dominate - but it will be difficult to maintain that unless they upgrade their hardware as well.

Re:Sooooo... (-1, Troll)

bdhall1313 (202306) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593373)

The Wii controller was a good idea, not supporting HD-TV was a bad idea.

The Wii graphics in "The Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess" and "Resident Evil 4" look like crap on a 56 inch HD-TV. The novelty of the controller is not enough to overcome the ugly graphics so I won't be buying any more games for it.

If Nintendo wants to sell me any more games, they need to release a Wii that supports HD-TV. I got spoiled by the great graphics from the 360 and the PS3.

Small TV sets outnumber big TV sets (5, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593623)

The Wii graphics in "The Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess" and "Resident Evil 4" look like crap on a 56 inch HD-TV.
Does your TV monitor have the same problem with other SDTV or EDTV signals? If an EDTV (480p) signal looks like crap on a 56-inch HDTV monitor but looks fine on a 56-inch EDTV monitor, then your HDTV monitor's upscaler has a defect. If you think an EDTV signal looks like crap on any 56-inch monitor, then Nintendo would be glad to sell its hardware to the vast majority of people who have a TV monitor smaller than yours.

If Nintendo wants to sell me any more games, they need to release a Wii that supports HD-TV.
If Nintendo wants to make money [gonintendo.com] , they need to write you off (sorry :( ) and sell hardware and copies of software to people who are happy with SDTV or EDTV. Notice that among lockout-chipped consoles, Nintendo's EDTV console has outsold each of the two HDTV consoles as of this month.

Re:Sooooo... (4, Insightful)

rjung2k (576317) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593695)

"The Wii controller was a good idea, not supporting HD-TV was a bad idea."

Not supporting HD meant the Wii (1) cost less for consumers to buy, and (2) cost less for developers to write titles for. Throw in the fact that HDTV is still a minority in all of the world's video-game markets, and there's no compelling reason for Nintendo to support it other than to satisfy the resolution-counting techno-geeks.

Re:Sooooo... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593493)

This from a company that has released more Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and Metroid games I can ship a stick at... The Wii is doing good, I'm glad to see Nintendo doing well (I don't want to leave the console market to either Sony or MS), but let's leave the fanboi crap at home. Just because it has better graphics does NOT mean it can't have good games. Nintendo's revolutionary Virtual Boy, Power Glove, and Gamecube controller were not the runaway successes that the Wii became.

I don't remember playing Gears of War, Resistance Fall of Man, Motostorm, or many other 360/PS3 games on previous consoles.

Re:Sooooo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20592749)

Surprised, no. Impressed, yes.

Re:Sooooo... (1)

Jaktar (975138) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592791)

If you'd have asked the masses pre launch you know you'd have gotten a resounding "hell no" from the crowd. I still find people that have no clue what's going on in the console market. They're still convinced that the 360 and PS3 are beating out Nintendo.

Re:Sooooo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20592817)

Only that Nintendo has produced 9 million Wiis.

Still can't find 'em anywhere.

Isn't this a dupe from last week?

Just barly (1)

cpt.hugenstein (1025183) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592571)

I wouldn't call 1% just barly edging out, especially with 1 less sales. If only they released some more games now. Wheres Earthbound on vc but atleast they have Breath of Fire now.

Re:Just barly (0)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592787)

It's an important milestone regardless of what the difference is right now.

In the most simply explained manner. Given two lines, if f1(x1) > f2(x1) and f1(x2) f2(x2), then at some point x3 between x1 and x2, f1(x3) = f2(x3).

At some point x3 + dx, abs(f1(x3+dx) - f2(x3+dx)) is infinitely small.

In other words, 1% today, 5% some point in the future? Granted they aren't lines but curves of sales (yeah, so I cheated a little bit, so what?) all it really means is that the sales difference between Wii and 360 is going to continually grow unless some shift in both supply and demand shift for 360 and/or Wii.

Re:Just barly (1)

MicktheMech (697533) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593279)

I don't see the value of the math here. What is important is the model (which you acknowledged at the end of your comment.) I think it's well established that the console wars resemble a coordination game. Now that Nintendo has this type of data they've got a really big advantage in trying to convince consumers that they're the most likely 'standard' in the near future (i.e. the new PS2). Wii's sales volumes are going to sky rocket.

Also, since the Wii's going to be so dominant, the people on the other consoles are going to be the 'outcasts' that revel in being different, or 'better' than other gamers. Essentially, the hardcore gamers. PS3, being technically superior, will probably be more popular with that group (especially with the recent price cut, not to mention the price making it more 'exclusive'). Therefore, the real story here is that doom for the XBOX360.

Re:Just barly (5, Interesting)

CmmdrKeen (1037120) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592857)

You're missing the point. The Xbox 360 has had a significant advantage time-wise over both the PS3 and the Wii. Nintendo, in about 10 months, has caught the 360 which has been on the market a full year longer. Not only that, but just do a comparison at your local store. When was the last time you saw a Wii sitting on a shelf anywhere? Sales of the Wii show no signs of letting up any time soon. So in short, Nintendo is murdering their competition.

Re:Just barly (0, Troll)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593289)

Huntsville, AL, Toys-R-Us. Went shopping for my son's birthday earlier this year and there were some on the shelf. But I don't play consoles.

They pop up on our local trader email list (email list where people buy/sell/trade items locally)... I see 8 from April-September, $250-$500, with games/accessories/etc. I see 70 on Amazon, new and used, starting at $300.

Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (5, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592595)

On the one hand, it's just a continuation of a year-long trend of Wii kicking the other consoles' butts hard. They're still hard to find because they disappear off the shelves as soon as they get put there. Anyway, this was all predicted a while ago and so isn't a surprise in that sense.

On the other hand, I find it QUITE surprising that the Wii can so handily outsell the 360 when its game library is, all things considered, horribly outmatched. This is a very strong example of the fact that games do NOT sell the system, as many gamers like to think. Advertisements and price tag do a LOT more than the shelves of dvd-size plastic boxes with the console's logo on them, it seems.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592671)

its game library is, all things considered, horribly outmatched
I disagree here. The 360 has two games, as far as I'm aware, that are system sellers (Gears of War and Forza 2), with a third (Halo 3) coming out shortly. The 360 is the first game console of this generation, but as far as I'm concerned, ALL the consoles have a lackluster library. The Wii actually has the best library at the moment, with Super Paper Mario, Zelda (sort of, it's available on the Cube too), Metroid Prime 3, and Wii Sports (even if it is only a pack-in).

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592779)

I was thinking the same thing. On top of those (and some good but not great games), don't forget there is the virtual console. I know there is XBLA, but it doesn't have Nintendo games (for obvious reasons).

If you want to play Zelda II, Sim City, or many other games it's your only choice on a console (short of hacked emulators). There is one heck of a library to compete with there.

EA's SimCity is a bad example (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593765)

If you want to play Zelda II, Sim City, or many other games
SimCity is a Maxis (now EA) product; Nintendo only published the Super NES version.

it's your only choice on a console (short of hacked emulators).
Keep in mind that there are at least four consoles: Wii, Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION 3, and set-top PCs running Windows OS. SimCity and several other EA titles have been published for Windows.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592903)

I know my opinion isn't really worth any more than the next guy's opinion, but I do own all three 7th-gen consoles so I suppose that gives me a bit more "hands on" experience with them...by far, out of the three my 360 gets the most playtime. To me, it has the most comfortable controller, the best overall "feel", and, again, in my opinion, the best games.

Many games on the 360 eventually came out or simultaneously came out for the PS3...just for grins, if I bought the game for one console, I would rent it for the other...you know, just to compare the two. In all honesty, I would rather play those multi-system games on the 360. It's not just the controller (although that does have something to do with it) but it's just how it "feels"...I can't really describe it any better than that. Not to mention graphically with multi-system releases, I find the 360 looks SLIGHTLY better than it's PS3 counterpart.

That said, all three consoles are fantastic fun and I highly recommend people get all three if they can afford it...the Wii60 combo is the best bet if you can't afford all three, but the PS3 is no slouch either. While it does lack a good selection of exclusives for the moment, that will change down the line (and I liked Lair, so there!) Ratchet and Clank, Metal Gear, God of War 3, etc.

That said, the 360 has it's own lineup of exclusives coming for it (some also coming to PC)...Fable 2, GoW 2, Mass Effect, Too Human, etc.

The Wii has some awesome games coming to it as well...Mario Galaxy, the new Mario Kart and Smash Bros, etc.

If I HAD to choose a favourite this gen for me, it would definately be the 360...but in all honesty, all three of them are worth your hard earned dollars.

Play as many games on as many different systems as you can.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (5, Funny)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593173)

>Play as many games on as many different systems as you can.

Lalalalala, I can't hear you! I can't hear you! You sir, have commited BLASHPEMY! Video game consoles are a religion, and if you don't pick one and beat people over the head with your brand of Truth (TM), then you're a sicko deviant who deserves to be burned at the stake. Discussions about games aren't for talking about what you like to play, its more about what you _won't_ play on other systems. I don't know whether to label you a frat guy jock, a kiddy gamer, or an drooling I'll-buy-anything-Sony idiot. You confuse and anger me, and I'm going to go on the record saying that I just plain don't like you.

I'll close with a reading from the book of Nintendo:

"Lo, and the Lord said 'Let there be Wii'. And the Wii did descend from the Heavens and the people saw that it was good. And they saw that it was great. And lo did they see that no other games were fun, and the controllers turned to ash in their hands. And the Lord did speaketh 'Behold my wisdom, and the gift I have bestowed upon you. Take this Wii and take it out to the world, to show unbelievers my Truth.' And so they did, and so thusly did the Lord's profits grow."

Amen.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593241)

Best troll ever. Seriously. Well done sir. 8D

If it's any consolation, out of all the game manufacturers over the years, I do own more Nintendo consoles than any other company ;-)

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

CorSci81 (1007499) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593419)

That could be because Nintendo has produced more consoles than any other company if you include handhelds.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593329)

I LOLed, good post. (no mod points, sorry :( )

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

MrFancyPants (122224) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592935)

And Rayman and RE4 (although it's a rerelease on the Wii, it's much much much better with the Wiimote than on the other systems).

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (3, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593315)

"System sellers" is kind of an inappropriate term here, as my whole point is games aren't what sells the system. Anyway, 360 also has Oblivion and Bioshock. Mind you, these games are also like a million times better than anything on Wii except Zelda, which is not even really a current-gen title and makes no sense to me as a "system seller" since it's also on Cube.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593679)

Ahh, but if you've played Cube zeldas, and you've played Wii twilight princess... The ability to actually AIM makes a huge difference.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593715)

How are Oblivion and Bioshock supposed to be system sellers, then, when I can just get them on the PC? Heck, Oblivion is miles better on the PC, thanks to all of the mods available.

Zelda, on the other hand, is noticably better on the Wii -- it has improved controls, for one, plus widescreen support. Also, you forgot Metroid Prime 3, which is honestly just a ton more fun than Bioshock.

Oh, and yes, games are what sells systems. Why do you think the PS3 is doing so dismally? Sure, it's really pretty, but the games available for it are generally either crap or available on another platform.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592699)

A lot of Nintendo fanboys are complaining that Nintendo _isn't_ advertising enough.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592763)

Oh come on, they have commercials featuring creepy old Japanese guys going to children's houses and saying "wii want to play" with a weird gleam in their eyes! How much more advertising do you need?

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593635)

Well compare the advertising for Halo 3 to Metroid Prime

You are wrong, sire (2, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592815)

actually wii advertisement spending was much lower compared to the other consoles from what i know.

and this IS a games sell a console situation.

for the first time in around, like, 8-10 years, a major brand (nintendo) came up with the now-forgotten idea of making FUN games instead of ones that has loaded sounds and graphics and repeats old concepts.

thats why wii is outselling all consoles.

Re:You are wrong, sire (1, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593407)

You're making no sense with that rhetoric.

"Fun" is relative, period. A lot of people are having "fun" on their PS2. More than on all the other current-gen consoles combined, by far. So, what's been "long-forgotten" again?

"Loaded sounds and graphics" makes no sense, either. Gears, Oblivion, FFXII, Bioshock, and other visually appealing games get VERY good reception from both critics and gamers alike. They are NOT the problem.

"Repeats old concepts"... hmm, yeah how about a Zelda title, Metroid Prime title, Virtual Console, and a Resident Evil 4 remake for a "repeats old concepts"? If anyone goes for tried-and-true, it's Nintendo.

This is NOT a games sell a console situation in the slightest.

Re:You are wrong, sire (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593799)

I also need to add that "advertisement spending" and "advertisement" aren't interchangeable in this context. When I say "advertisement" makes a difference, I mean *good advertisement,* not simply the existence of ads. Plus, I'm not sure what MS has been spending their ad dollars on, but I see Wii commercials on TV (I barely watch TV) and I don't see any 360 ones. Whatever reaches the audience, heh ^_^

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592885)

I agree with you to a degree...the price difference is definitely a HUGE factor. The magic number for consumers has always been in the ballpark of $200-$250 for a console purchase with a game.

Of course, if Nintendo were selling a shitbox for $250, no one would buy it. In this case, the Wii is a revolutionary console at a lower price than its evolutionary competitors.

The Wii would sell with only Wii Sports, but it launched alongside Zelda. Now we have Metroid...and then there's Resident Evil, Madden, Sonic, Elebits, and Strikers, which are all available for purchase. Upcoming are Mario, Smash Brothers, Soul Calibur, Nights, and many more.

I'm not buying a 360 (due to the MS patent FUD) and will only buy a PS3 for the BluRay player (50" HDTV in my living room) when it comes down to $200-$250. Maybe the PS3 will be ready to compete in the console war when it reaches that price point, but Nintendo may win the current generation's console war before Sony drops the PS3 price enough to reach critical mass.

Who The Hell Would Want A 360? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20592937)

Outside of existing diehard US Xbox fans who the hell would be dumb enough to waste money on a 360?

> 400 dollars on the base system + 200-250 dollars of online charges over the life of the console.
> Most defective hardware ever for a console by an order of magnitude
> Halfassed backwards compatibility
> Crappy library of games
> Crappy graphics

If you are poor and have a crappy TV the Wii seems like a decent system until you can afford a real 1080p TV and pick up a PS3.

The problem with the Wii is if you don't have friends around all the time the system ends up just sitting there unused for most people. You look and feel like an idiot sitting there alone waving your arms around.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

GWBasic (900357) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592961)

On the other hand, I find it QUITE surprising that the Wii can so handily outsell the 360 when its game library is, all things considered, horribly outmatched. This is a very strong example of the fact that games do NOT sell the system, as many gamers like to think. Advertisements and price tag do a LOT more than the shelves of dvd-size plastic boxes with the console's logo on them, it seems.

Given two similarly-capable systems, the one with better games is the one that I would choose. In this case, however, the Wii's novelty factor is what got me to buy it. Besdies, I really don't care how large a console's game library is, as long as there are a 2-3 exellent games when I buy the console, and a reasonable garuntee that there will be at least 2-3 excellent games developed per year.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

Piata (927858) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592987)

Oh come on now. The Wii launched with Wii Sports and Zelda. Both kept me busy for the first month (in fact Wii Sports still gets plenty of play time) and Excite Truck is still stupid fun. Then there was a bit of a dry spell, followed by Mario Strikers and Metroid Prime 3 with Super Mario Galaxy and SSBM on the way. Everyone bought the Wii knowing there would be some great console exclusives from Nintendo (like there always are) and if Metroid is any indication, they're already delivering on this promise. The 360 definitely has a larger catalogue, but it's all the same games played the same way for the past 4 - 6 years. As much as people want to claim the wiimote is a gimmick, that gimmick functions incredibly well in Metroid and makes it a newer and more interesting experience.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

Tom (822) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593159)

I find it QUITE surprising that the Wii can so handily outsell the 360 when its game library is, all things considered, horribly outmatched.
Or maybe your assumption is false? I don't think the 360 library is impressive. If you look at it with non-nerdy-eyes, it's essentially the same 5 or 6 games with different graphics under different names. The Wii doesn't need 25 different FPS titles to succeed, because it has everygreens like Wii Sports and quite a few people play mostly that and are happy.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593475)

How an I looking at the 360 library with "nerdy eyes" :-) the games I enjoy on it include Oblivion, Gears of War, Bioshock, Forza 2, and DOA 4. I don't really see how those are "25 different FPS titles," and 3 of the 5 are quite original and 4 of them set new standards in their respective genres. (DOA 4 is mindless fun, that's about all.)

Tetwiis? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593805)

The Wii doesn't need 25 different FPS titles to succeed, because it has everygreens like Wii Sports and quite a few people play mostly that and are happy.
Evergreens, eh? Does Wii even have Tetris?

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593171)

Price is undoubtedly a big issue, but games are still important. While the Wii library isn't mind-blowing right now, when I bought my Wii close to a year ago, I did so very much in anticipation of the future game library. I couldn't walk out of the store that day with a new Mario game, or Metroid Prime 3, or Mario Kart, or WarioWare, or Smash Bros. (although I did have zelda!), but I knew that they were coming, and was nearly certain that when they do arrive, that I'd have a great time with them. Nintendo has earned a reputation with consistently high quality 1st party games, and even with knowing nothing else, that would've been worth $250 for a console for me. The fact that Wii Sports was a lot of fun, plus the rayman game was a great time, and a few others were great surprises as well.

With the Xbox 360, the only big given for me was Halo 3. There have been a lot of good games released in the meantime, but at least in my mind, the 360 is not only competing with the Wii-library as it stands, but also a very impressive future library that has plenty of legitimacy based on Nintendo's history.

Re:Surprising in some ways, unsuprising in others (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593607)

Xbox's future library is a monster as well:
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Ninja Gaiden 2
Resident Evil 5
Gears of War sequels
Banjo 3

And a year ago, you would have added Forza 2 and Bioshock to that list.

too much slashdot groupthink (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593245)

On the other hand, I find it QUITE surprising that the Wii can so handily outsell the 360

The summary says it's 8.9 million xboxes to 9 million wiis, I don't see how that counts as "handily" outselling.

And if you'd went just by the comments you read on slashdot video game stories, you'd think the wii was outselling the xbox 360 a hundred to one.

Re:too much slashdot groupthink (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593545)

Oh, but it IS "handily" outselling it. In HALF the time, it sold more units! At this rate, in another year it will have sold twice as many units overall. So, yeah it's just plain kicking the 360's butt.

Though I reckon Japan has much to do with it, seeing as 360 has NO presence there whatsoever.

More games please (2, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592609)

I got myself a Wii. Just need a proper LAN multiplayer FPS and a Summer Smash Brothers, and maybe even a hardcore Mario kart.

I've actually spent hours playing Super Mario Brothers on the Virtual Console

Re:More games please (1)

andres32a (448314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592663)

I for one am a big soccer fifa ea sports fan. I've got a wii and can't wait to get my hands on a decent soccer game for the wii.

Re:More games please (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593555)

Amazing Soccer Game? [ebgames.com]

Honestly, the game is a riot. I've never had fun with a soccer game before.

Re:More games please (1)

rjung2k (576317) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593785)

Ditto to the parent. I've never had any interest in soccer, but Mario Strikers Charged is just insane over-the-top arcady fun.

I wonder... (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592619)

...I know this term is sloshed around alot around here, but I wonder if Nintendo has shills trolling the /. boards? It seems to me most of the ones around here take the form of either Microsoft or Sony...yet you never really see any that sound like they are coming from Nintendo...curious, that.

Re:I wonder... (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592831)

Of course not, they're too busy playing with their Wiis, or, more probably, out there hunting for Wiis.

Rewind 2 years (2, Funny)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592623)

Who saw this coming? Be honest!

Re:Rewind 2 years (1)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592683)

Me, but of course nobody listening !

Re:Rewind 2 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20592945)

A) Harder to find in stores, but less than 50% the price of the P(o)S3, about 65% the cost of X360

B) Has tons of games parents can play with their kids, (even if there are like only about 20% as many titles available as there are for the PoS3/X360) Just like why "G" movies do so well financially.

C) Nintendo has a long history of good, fun games

D) P(o)S3 and X360 ads feature obnoxious teen-agers screaming insults and killing each other in the games, Wii has ads for people playing together and having fun

The only surprise about Nintendo leading is that they are so hard to get a hold of in stores...

Re:Rewind 2 years (4, Interesting)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593145)

Who saw this coming? Be honest!

When I heard the idea - an overclocked Gamecube with a novelty control system involving waving one's hands around - I thought Nintendo were doomed. One U-Force was bad enough.
When I heard details of the novelty control system, I thought it ridiculous for about two minutes, then began thinking it through a little. Several words came through my mind... 'bat, racket, gunsight... fucking lightsaber...' - I thought Nintendo might have something big on their hands, especially given what the DS was doing by then.
When I heard about the name, I though Nintendo were doomed.
When I was queueing outside the store on a damn cold night playing wireless Mario Kart with the other fanboys (all of us there to get our hands on Twilight Princess) and we saw the demo installation through the big window, and we saw how many passers-by were stopping to see what all the fuss was about and seeing the guys inside bowling... I thought Nintendo might have something very big.
When I saw how many of my utterly non-gamer relatives simply would not put down Wii Tennis... wow.

Re:Rewind 2 years (1)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593183)

TWO years? No.

I've been saying it since E3 2006.

Re:Rewind 2 years (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593205)

Given the success of the DS, I felt the Wii's dominance was assured for many of the same reasons. Both are aimed at broad demographics, both are differentiated from the competition (in terms of possible control schemes, especially), both are cheaper than the competition and both feature real backwards compatibility.

My biggest surprise is that so many analysts and 3rd parties were caught off guard by the Wii.

Re:Rewind 2 years (1)

Bardez (915334) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593361)

Me.

I was calling it as long as I can remember. I just wish I had money (damned college) to invest in Nintendo before the launch of the Wii...

Nintendo? Sure. MS & Sony? Not a clue. (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593719)

As soon as I saw the first version of the funky new controller on the (then) Revolution, I was fairly certain that Nintendo was going to come out on top of this round of the console wars.

What I didn't see was how well Microsoft was going to execute on the 360 and how badly Sony was going to drop the ball on the PS/3.

I guess that means they're actuall making them (2, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592637)

One thing that has shocked me about the Wii is how it can still be perpetually out of stock 10 months after being released. At this point Nintendo doesn't have any excuse, they need to ramp production up and they need to do it 6 months ago. I have a co-worker who is looking to get one and he's actually being told to stand in line outside of the store on shipment day still, and this was after calling just about every retailer in the area looking for one. Even weirder is when you look online and all of the available consoles are marked up over the retail price. That is crazy for a console that has been out on the market for as long as the Wii has.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

andres32a (448314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592735)

This is also a suprise for me, considering that down here in Colombia (South America) you can get a wii quite easily. I got mine the first week of January and have always seen available wiis on stores.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

Walpurgiss (723989) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592767)

It might be a distribution thing. Here in Dekalb, home of Northern Illinois University, the WalMart supercenter often has 2-4 behind the glass. Even the ludicrously small best buy has had them in stock on occasions i've been by. With so many college students here I would have thought the opposite, that it would be even harder to find here.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20592941)

Bingo - Mod that man up!

Nintendo's distribution scheme isn't quite in sync with actual usage, leaving some areas to scrounge for every Wii they can get while others don't know what to do with them all. Case in point - I've been hunting desperately for a Wii since launch, always just missing them or finding out the store was (still) sold out. Until a friend suggested I take an excursion about fifteen minutes north into the wine country, where I found a small-town Target that had a full shelf! When I asked an employee just how many they had, his computer reported a total (on shelf and in the back room) of 73! Turns out there was a treasure trove of Wiis just a few minutes away and I never knew.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20592813)

Uh..bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit. Wiis have been instock since March across the US and over the past couple of months at places like Costco I've seen stacks, 15-20 or so, of them just sitting there.

Give the stupid lies about "I can't find teh Wii cuz it's so damn popular" crap a rest.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593111)

Then it varies considerably across different regions. I have yet to see one on a store shelf. Friends that have bought them all had to call around and show up the morning a new shipment was put out. Target/BestBuy/CircuitCity/Walmart/Gamestop/Costco/etc. often get shipments, but always sell out the same day (at least around here.)

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

rizzo420 (136707) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593437)

i guess you might be right if you discount southern new england as part of the US (with some of the highest population density in the country, it's kind of hard to ignore us over here). you can't find the wii here at all still. someone i know said they saw 1 in a store last week. but that probably didn't last long.

they're actually making them-just not very well (1)

Fox_1 (128616) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592919)

Here is some info on that shortage [nintendo.co.jp] taken from a March07 Investors Q&A with the Nintendo CEO
Basically to quote the relevant answer on the bottom of page two [nintendo.co.jp] .

Of course, now that Wii is facing product shortages in the markets, we are working on increasing production, and the effect is starting to show up little by little in this month already. As this month's production will be sold in the worldwide markets by the end of the next month, a small increase is expected at the retail outlets from next month. While we are on this subject, it looks like some people are misunderstanding that Nintendo is not incorporating state-of-the-art technologies into its products. It is not true. Just as an example, we are using the state-of-the-art technologies to realize the compact-sized Wii console with low power consumption. Making a significant volume of the high-tech hardware, and making an additional volume, is not an easy task at all. In fact, when we clear one bottleneck for a production increase, we will face another one. We are repeating this process as of today, and it is just premature for us to declare how many we will make from when. We would like to confirm this sometime later.

It sounds like they are a victim of their own success. The whole Q&A, while a few months old is an interesting read into the current state of Nintendo.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592947)

One thing that has shocked me about the Wii is how it can still be perpetually out of stock 10 months after being released.

Is that still the situation there? In the UK there have been plenty around. One weekend, all of a sudden everywhere had Wii in stock, and it's stayed that way ever since.

Now, if only Nintendo were as efficient at getting games to Europe...

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

Duffy13 (1135411) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593023)

What strikes me as odd is that not only is it out of stock, it has nothing worth playing at the moment aside from Metroid and Zelda. My conclusion is that people who would normally never buy a console are being pulled in by the cheap novelty, which was of course Nintendo's plan all along, and well executed I must say. My impression is that Nintendo found a way to stay in the console game, instead of bowing out to be a 3rd party a la Sega. (They still dominate handhelds, I don't think that'll change for awhile.)

However, as many have said before, selling hardware does not win a console war. Games are the deciding factor. (Not to mention that $$ wise since a Wii is cheaper, therefore you would want to base it off of profit more then units sold to determine who is "winning") What are the odds of the casual gamer picking up more then just the main party games? And even then, they won't buy too many of them since how many party games do they need? Will that shear abundance of "small-time" Wii owners out-pace the 360 and Sony die-hards who pick up a new title every 2-3 weeks? Thats not even getting into Live Arcade and the Wii equivalent. (Not even gonna include the PS3 one at this point)

I think it's still too early for a verdict without direct revenue quotes from M$, Nintendo, and Sony to determine a trend if any exists at the moment. (Pretty sure Sony is last on that list at the moment.)

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (4, Insightful)

philipgar (595691) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593619)

Your assumption that Nintendo only wins if everyone buys lots of games is based on the idea that the console is sold at a loss. Nintendo is likely making a hefty profit off each Wii they sale. Therefore to them, every Wii sold is a win, even if the user doesn't buy a single game. This is in contrast to Sony and Microsoft who LOSE money on every console, and are relying on the fact that every person who buys their console also buys at least 4 or 5 games. . . This is just to break even, to match the profit that nintendo is making off EVERY wii sale, they have to sell a couple more games.

Additionally, I do not think most wii owners only have one or two games. There are a lot of people who are "gamers", but aren't hard core enough to pay $600 for a system. There are lots of good games for the Wii, many of which aren't available on other consoles (just wait till smash brothers comes out).

Plus, when taking profits into account, you can't forget about the profit on accessories. How many Wii owners also have at least 2 or 3 wii motes. Those aren't cheap by any means, and likely lead to more profit for Nintendo. Particularly in the short term Nintendo is dominating the field when it comes to profit. I doubt the others have even recouped their development costs.

Phil

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593731)

Not to mention that $$ wise since a Wii is cheaper, therefore you would want to base it off of profit more then units sold to determine who is "winning"

I don't have hard numbers, but in the past Nintendo has been known as the console maker with the best profit margin on their consoles, whereas Sony tends to take a loss (I think MS took a loss at first on the XBox but was making a small profit soon). So if you look at profits (not dollar sales), chances are the Wii would still be the winner.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593181)

Got mine from the Nintendo World store in NYC. No markup, no bundles. I was chatting with the counter-jockey there, and he said they get in a shipment of 100 every day, and typically sell them all. I was there at around 6pm on a weekday and they had about 10 or 12 left.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593203)

This is not an accident or error on Nintendo's part, but instead a carefully planned way to grab power from their suppliers. In my MBA program we study an interesting case about Nintendo in the 80's bossing everyone around because they were the big dog, and it seems the company is trying to regain some of that swagger. Consider, if Toys R Us is constantly begging for 80k consoles (made up #) but is only getting 40k consoles from Nintendo, power in the relationship belongs to Nintendo. This power lets them exert pressure on the retailers - for instance, they tell Toys R Us that they can bump them up to 60k consoles delivered, but in exchange they are going to need an end cap display in the store, 10 extra feet of retail space, and some discounted advertising in the circulars. As it stands now, it seems the company has done an excellent job and are poised to again be the "it" toy this winter (bolstered by the Zapper and Mario and Super Smash).

How successful is this strategy? Well consider that a $1,000 investment in Nintendo two years ago is worth $5,000 today.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

PoderOmega (677170) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593499)

I got sick of calling stores so I used http://wiitracker.com/ [wiitracker.com] (not a plug, there are probably other similar sites). After 2 weeks of using this site I got one from Toys R' Us. It was not a bundle or anything, but the downside is that you have to pay shipping.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (3, Informative)

seebs (15766) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593517)

They've already ramped production up quite a bit. I think they're leery of spending a lot of money ramping up production only to finally saturate demand, and then have nothing to show for that money... Or, worse (from their perspective), ramp up production and end up with quality control issues.

I think at this point it's fairly clear that 1.5M/month is not enough.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593701)

Nintendo still has issues with keeping the DS-Lite in stock in Japan. Nintendo has near domination of the industry going for themselves. All the while shitting themselves at the money they are raking in.

Re:I guess that means they're actuall making them (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593707)

Our Gamestop has 5 or so in stock, and the Best Buy in the same mall has a line of 20+ people every Sunday trying to buy them. They are able to sit on the shelves in some places. The shortage isn't over, but it is shrinking. The Gamestop has had them in stock continually for about 6 months now. I don't know why, I guess people consider them for the games and not the consoles.

Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (1, Troll)

World_Greatest_Slack (805297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592717)

Microsoft announced they hit 10 million worldwide last December and here it is nine months later and the 360 is just above 10 million worldwide. Talk about hitting a brick wall.

The first Xbox hit 24 million after four years before Microsoft stopped making the system. The 360 is closing in on two years on the market and it hasn't hit half the worldwide installed base of the first Xbox.

That means that the 360 is doing significantly worse than the first Xbox. And when you add in the 1.1 billion in defect charges this year the lifetime Xbox losses are in the 7 billion dollar range. 4-5 billion or so for the first Xbox, 1-2 billion over the past two years of the 360, and now the latest 1.1 billion on top of all of that. With Microsoft making so many moves in the Windows gaming market it seems like Microsoft is realizing that their efforts to burn money to buy marketshare have failed in the console market and are working on an exit strategy.

Re:Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (1)

QMalcolm (1094433) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592927)

When they announced that 10 million figure, that was total shipped systems, NOT total sold systems. Sony was notorious for confusing shipped and sold in order to make it seem like they were doing better than they were.

At that time, the number of sold systems was somewhere around 7 or 8 million.

--

The 360 needs to sell 2 million units before its second anniversary in order to be on par with its predecessor, like you said. This seems like a lot, but it's surprisingly possible. Halo 3 is *the* game every 360 owner wants, and its coming out later this month. Add that to the holiday sales boost and the 360 is going to have a massive holiday.

Overall, the 360 isn't dominating like MS hoped it would, but it's a failure, either. If I had to guess it'll end up finishing with close to 30 million units sold. Once it drops a little more into the impulse buy range, it'll start selling to the people who are looking to replace their PS2s.

Re:Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593129)

"When they announced that 10 million figure, that was total shipped systems, NOT total sold systems. Sony was notorious for confusing shipped and sold in order to make it seem like they were doing better than they were."

"it'll start selling to the people who are looking to replace their PS2s."

There is fanboyism, and there is just plain retardation. So pathetic.

And yes, those 360s are going to fly off the shelf for tired old Halo that no one but Xbox fanboys cared about last gen. And yes, gamers are going to rush out and buy the most defective console hardware ever just to play a game with graphics that look just like last gen's Halo 2 - which they, once again, didn't give a shit about. And yes, gamers are going to rush out and buy the most defective console hardware ever just to play a game with networking that is just as crappy as last gen with laggy P2P and a 16 player cap like Halo 3 is stuck with.

Microsoft and its stupid little fanboy still don't have a fucking clue that the gaming world doesn't give a shit about a mediocre and crappy looking fps like Halo.

Halo 3 isn't going to save the 360.

Re:Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593155)

If Halo 3 is the game every 360 _owner_ wants, why do you expect that to increase console sales significantly?

Re:Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593759)

I agree because presumably most Halo fans already have a 360 because of Halo 2. However, maybe it's to do with all the bricked consoles?

Re:Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593743)

Microsoft needs to address their Red Ring of Death problem. I'll be damned if i'm going to spend that much money for a system that I'm going to immediately void the warranty on modding the dvd drive firmware to play pirated games. Its just too risky from a pirates angle. And if I am not willing to do it and I'm tech savvy, I will not recommend the 360 to any of my less savvy friends. When asked I tell people I have no plans on buying a PS3 because it offers me nothing I need. So in the end, I recommended the wii to everyone I know. They come over and play the newest games, if they like they they go and buy them so they have them too. People are very willing to spend money to be entertained if there is no risk involved.

Never underestimate the power of word of mouth from pirates. I sold at least 6 people on xbox's showing them how cool mine was (xbmc and games on the HD) - and of those 6 only two of them used it for rent and ripping; the other 4 bought games and used it for audio/video streaming. :)

Re:Xbox 360 Dead In The Water? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593035)

I'm sorry, you can't exit. Too many broken chairs are in your path. The fire marshall has called up about blocked exits.

What is your next move?

And the shock comes..... (2, Insightful)

Lotus581 (948504) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592781)

....never! The fact is, I thought that the Wii was going to flop the moment it released. But because of its world wide spread of ease to pick up and go. It had succeeded to be one of the dominent systems.

The funny thing is.. (1)

QMalcolm (1094433) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592839)

The funny thing is that Microsoft was using 'first to 10 million wins!' as their mantra, and reason for launching the 360 a year early.

Re:The funny thing is.. (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592971)

They might have won, except for the $1.2bil / $150 (average retail repair price) = 8 million repairs they're planning on.

Or worse yet, with xbox at $199, lets assume a motherboard replacements for br0ken xboxes, assume $150/motherboard. 8 million replacements?!

That just means they have 2 million xboxes out there! No wonder they got their pants swiped. I mean, even PS3 has 3+ mil boxes out there, in working condition. Now, if PS3 had some lion batteries, I'd be worried...

Nintendo is great, but Xbox is still doing well (5, Insightful)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592929)

Specifically, the Xbox made its over all numbers largely without doing much in Japan. If you factored out Japan, I think that the Xbox still has a substantial lead.

In other words, I do not expect the Xbox 360 to become a non factor any time soon. It may be in a #2 position, but holding its current position without the benefit of Japan is a pretty strong feat. If they ever crack the Japanese market, they will likely give Nintendo some strong competition. Conversely, if the PS3 can build some decent momentum as its prices drop, it could overtake Microsoft overall with core gamers. If this does happen, it will happen very late in this console cycle (no earlier than say, 2010). And if it does do so, it will not overtake the 360 in the US.

I had been saying for some time, before the Wii's launch, that it probably had at worst, the #2 slot locked up in the console war, and a real threat to be #1.

I would say that right now, Nintendo is #1 over all, but only #2 with respect to hard core gamers. While a broad market strategy may be a good one, the core segment has proven consistently strong, and not one you want to cede to a rival.

If the Wii is ever going to get a grip on the core segment of the console market, they have to do it within the next year. Developers of titles that appeal to core gamers jumped on the Wii band wagon late, so the games that could push Wii into an untouchable #1 standing simply do not exist yet. On top of that, Nintendo did have a pretty bad game drought between February and July on the Wii. With the 3rd party developers coming on stream, that may change.

So to sum up:
- Right now, Wii has the #1 spot over all, but is only #2 with core gamers.
- I expect that the Xbox 360 will stay #1 with core gamers unless the Wii starts to get alot of games that will appeal to core gamers. Given the Wii's market positioning, I do not think this will happen.
- I expect the Xbox 360 to be guaranteed #2 unless Sony starts to build alot of momentum. I would be very surprised if this happens.

END COMMUNICATION

Re:Nintendo is great, but Xbox is still doing well (4, Interesting)

CorSci81 (1007499) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593301)

Your post nicely sums up much of what I originally wanted to say, except for one nitpick.

Conversely, if the PS3 can build some decent momentum as its prices drop, it could overtake Microsoft overall with core gamers. If this does happen, it will happen very late in this console cycle (no earlier than say, 2010). And if it does do so, it will not overtake the 360 in the US.

As much as Sony and its supporters want to say the console race is a marathon, it isn't. Currently Sony has a console priced out of the range of the mass market and their sales numbers just aren't improving. At their current installed base and the cost of developing for the PS3 no sane developer is going to touch it. Most of what's coming out seems to be games already in progress where the developer has decided to write it off as a loss and/or port it to 360 as well to recoup some of the development costs. That or Sony has given them enough money to basically pay for the game to be developed for them. Unless sales figures change quickly the PS3 will be living off of ports of 360 games or what they can pay to have developed. I honestly don't see the PS3 beating the 360 outside of Japan where it's already in the lead.

From what I recall, the 360 is possibly still ahead of the Wii in North America (given the Japanese sales numbers it pretty much has to be). It may be a few more months to a year before Nintendo completely captures all of the markets not accounting their supply limitations during the holiday season and the release of Halo 3, which makes it possibly even longer. I really can imagine at least the 360 and Wii both being viable platforms for nearly the entire lifetime of this generation of consoles. The only real competition between these two is game sales where their market shares intersect. The PS3 and 360 however are in a much more direct competition, and currently the 360 is outselling the PS3 worldwide.

Re:Nintendo is great, but Xbox is still doing well (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593571)

People as dumb as you just sicken me.

The PS3 is outselling the 360 2 to 1 worldwide. The PS3 is selling across all three regions - Japan, NA, Europe. The 360 is dead in Japan, and only selling decently in England.

Wait, let me guess, you get your console sales numbers from vgcharts.com...

Get a fucking clue dimwit.

Re:Nintendo is great, but Xbox is still doing well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593459)

Perhaps you should actually check the 360's worldwide sales as the console closes in on two years in the market...

The 360 is sitting at just above 10 million worldwide after two years. The Xbox sold 25 million after four years on the market. The 360 isn't even selling at the same rate as the first Xbox. The 360 is obviously a non-factor this gen.

There are more people every month buying PS2s right now than 360s. Amazing for a console that is seven years old.

Guess which system all of those PS2 owners are going to be buying over the next five years...

Hint, the PS2 has these big exclusive franchises/companies:

Final Fantasy
GT
God of War
Ratchet and Clank
Team ICO
Naughty Dog
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken

I wonder which system all of those PS2 owners will be buying? The most defective console in history that doesn't play any of their old games? Or the most reliable, quietest, and most powerful console that plays all their old PS2 and PS1 games and has new versions of all the games they bought their PS2 for...

The 360 is a non-factor this gen.

Yawn (1)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 6 years ago | (#20592965)

Same thing we have been hearing for months, and already knew, the Wii is kicking butt, Sony is struggling to keep afloat.

While its not selling as well the other two consoles, though, I should like to point out that 4 million consoles in under a year is nothing to sneeze at.

It's just so pointless (0, Flamebait)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593081)

These conversations are pointless, you have 300 posters, each with their "unique" stats about how their favourite console is best, then the stats about which is selling best, which range wildly from microsoft selling 10 million by now, mircosoft selling 10million before last january, and apparently the wii has sold 2gazillion units whilst no one has actually see a missing space in the line of PS3s on the shelves. Okay, so you get a general over view, but everyone's talking crap and no one knows anything for sure. It does seem strange the same people who wouldn't consider just spouting statistics with no idea whether they are right, suddenly have no problem doing it with consoles.

Bye Bye Karma.

Re:It's just so pointless (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593217)

how do you know that it's the same people?

FUN counts! (5, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593345)

I think the lesson of both the Wii and the DS is that for a lot of people, notably the non-gamers, FUN is what counts.

Technology, the PSP trashes the DS. The XBox360 makes the Wii look like a joke graphically and computationally.

But the new interfaces (touch screen, WiiMote) have lead to entirely new classes of games, and new ways of doing traditional games.

EG, after playing Metroid for a few hours, I can't see how anyone could go back to the classic FPS controls, especially on a console. On a DS, the touchscreen allows very rich UIs, which are not possible with just the D-pad and buttons.

That is the lesson from Nintendo: Fun Must Come First .

I don't get it (0, Redundant)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#20593637)

Its sales exceed that of the Xbox 360 despite Microsoft's console having a year-long head start.

I don't get it. This reads as "He runs faster, despite his competitor, Bob, has no legs."

Of course, if you released a year *earlier* your sales slow down as time goes, so it's not "despite", it's "partially because".

It'll be interesting to see how many units are sold total. If Wii leads here (versus sales/month), now I'll agree the "despite" mark.

I guess the saddest one in this situation is PS3. Released late, too expensive, no sales. But Sony knew this, and proceeded to kill PS3 anyway, so Blu Ray can live.

Everyone got what he wants, a big happy corporate family.

GameStop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20593647)

Anyone else notice the GameStop menus at the top apparently reflect the popularity of the system?

Nintendo Wii, DS, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, PC is the current order.

Although there is a little room for interpretation. eg. I'm sure the DS outsells the Wii and I'm sure the same is true with PS2 versus PS3.
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