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August NPD Numbers Look Good For Wii, 360

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the little-bioshock-and-awe-in-there-too dept.

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To add a little more context to yesterday's announcement that the Wii had outsold the 360 worldwide, we have August's NPD numbers courtesy of 1up. From the article: "The story hasn't changed much -- Wii remains on top, PlayStation 3 continues to have trouble gaining steam and Xbox 360 maintains a position behind Wii but gaining momentum as the fall season moves into gear-- but the numbers have shifted. Encouraging news for Microsoft, however, as Xbox 360 moves nearly 100,000 more units compared to last month's 170,000, while Madden NFL 08 pushes 896,600 boxes and BioShock moves 490,900 copies -- impressive numbers for the Xbox 360 platform, software-wise. Nintendo must be happy with the performance of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, as the latest sci-fi Samus Aran shooter managed 218,100 copies in late August, with Wii Play (released in January) only beating it by nearly 50,000 units."

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121 comments

KC makes his mark on the world (1)

Keith Curtis (923118) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606453)

At least a boot mark on the ass of the Irish

Missed the Boat (1, Interesting)

ShaolinMonk (962704) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606593)

Poor Playstation 3. It Really is sad to see something with so much potential get burried. I really do wish Sony would pull it together, as the PS3 is still may favorite. But what good are favorites when you can't play what you want. SM

Re:Missed the Boat (-1, Troll)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606671)

It Really is sad to see something with so much potential get burried.

The potential to cost more than twice as much as the alternatives.

The potential to find new and creative ways to abuse customers.

The potential to lock buyers into Yet Another Stupid Sony Format.

No, I don't really mind seeing that potential get buried.

Re:Missed the Boat (3, Insightful)

Duffy13 (1135411) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606939)

The potential to cost more than twice as much as the alternatives.

Probably because it's twice as powerful and offers features that the 360 especially, touts as "add-ons" (If you add up the add-ons the price becomes comparable).

The potential to find new and creative ways to abuse customers.

You blame the hardware company instead of the software company that used a feature badly, bravo on your ability to shift blame.

The potential to lock buyers into Yet Another Stupid Sony Format.

How so? It only locks developers into this format for PS3 games, which happens to offer the same major features as HD-DVD, oh and it gives twice the storage space. Whose fault is it that some idiots don't take advantage of it? 360 doesn't even have the HD-DVD built in, it's an "add-on".

I agree that the PS3 is not being developed correctly on the software front, thats impossible to argue against at this point. But as a piece of hardware it's a solid machine that doesn't have a habit of dying on you, like some other console I know.

360 fanbois (3, Insightful)

Tony (765) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607381)

360 doesn't even have the HD-DVD built in, it's an "add-on".

This, to me, is even a bigger issue than the difference in processing power. The 360 has a slightly better GPU, which helps, but the PS3 has much more raw available power. (Emphasis on "raw.")

Really, the big deal *is* the BluRay, and not for movies. The fact that Sony included both a hard drive and a BluRay player means the game developer can assume certain things-- a fast hard-drive cache and 50GB of data storage topping the list.

I believe Microsoft was foolish to skip the HD storage medium for their HD-capable game machine. Games are getting *way* above 8GB these days.

The 360 fanbois are counting Sony out on this one. I don't think they realize Sony has the edge here as games grow to take advantage of the new system capabilities. What you see on the 360 today is about what you'll see on the 360 in four years. The PS3 is still in the Rayman stages.

But, to each his own. I'm very pleased with my PS3. Others will be pleased with their 360s. And we all win.

Re:360 fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20607673)

"Games are getting *way* above 8GB these days"

What games, besides the ones with 2+ hours of FMVs included, are you talking about?

Re:360 fanbois (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20609221)

Heavenly Sword has 10GB of audio data alone.

Re:360 fanbois (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20609929)

10 GB of *uncompressed* audio data in 11 different languages. Seems more like a marketing ploy by Sony than anything..."hey guys, games are now bigger than a DVD! you need a PS3 if you want to play them!"

Re:360 fanbois (0)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610419)

If you have the space, why not use it?

1) I'd rather hear uncompressed audio than lossily-compressed audio.
2) I'd rather have the processor doing other things that actually have an impact on the fun of the game rather than uncompressing audio.

Re:360 fanbois (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612073)

Did you miss the part about 11 languages? What does the consumer benefit from that?

Re:360 fanbois (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20613169)

If you natively speak another language besides English (like the millions in America with Spanish as a first language), a lot?

Re:360 fanbois (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#20619253)

Even then, what's the benefit of having languages you don't use on the disc?

Re:360 fanbois (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#20620747)

The manufacturer doesn't have to waste resources making 11 different versions of the same game. Stores don't have to waste shelf space stocking multiple version of the same game. Consumers have their choice of the language they want without having to search out their preferred version. Reselling the game after you use it is easier since the market will be larger than it would for any one language version.

Re:360 fanbois (1)

Duffy13 (1135411) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607837)

I agree wholeheartedly, and that was my reasoning to grab a PS3 before a 360. At the moment anything I want to play is either cross-platform or a PS3 exclusive, so it was the better choice. As a multimedia center I think the PS3 is also a better choice inherently. I am eying to grab a 360, but I'm waiting for more then the two exclusive titles I'd like to play, which if you are interested are Mass Effect and Fable 2. As for a Wii, the only games I wanna play are the traditional party/multiplayer games, and since I know several people with a Wii, my bases are covered.

Re:360 fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20608165)

which if you are interested are...

No one is.

Re:360 fanbois (2, Interesting)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 6 years ago | (#20609201)

Neither harddrive nor vastly more power could save the original Xbox.

It's meaningless how much better the PS3 is as long as MS manages to leave the PS3 in the dust in terms of installed base.

Some analyst predicted that Sony sold of one of their divisions to be able to sell the PS3 at $399. If that's true it might save the console because unlike the original Xbox Sony does enjoy a strong brand and a PS3 at a competitive would probably be able to get enough games and sales to at least catch up with the 360. But if the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 at a 2:1 ratio till next spring this generation will be the inverse of the last one with MS and Nintendo beating out Sony by a wide margin (I believe one of the more expensive consoles can catch up to the Wii over the next few years as the price difference shrinks)

Re:360 fanbois (1, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#20609945)

Games are getting *way* above 8GB these days.

Yeah, the kind of "lets blow it up to 50Gb and hype that we need it" kind of games. Simply go back to unompressed wav, bmp and avi and you'll fill it up in no time flat. You see the exact thing going on with Blu-Ray where they're trying to push LPCM over DTS, since they need something to eat the extra 20GB of space. Nevermind that 1.5Mbps/6ch = 512kbps/stereo, which is twice what iTunes' high quality songs are, and twice that again what most people seem happy listening to. Most PC games have come with HDTV+ resolutions for a long time and DVD size is plenty. With more programmability like shaders and such, size goes down rather than up because you render more and play prerendered content less. If you're telling me that the PS3 needs 50GB it's a sign it's underpowered :p.

Just two things... (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612059)

1- When the Xbox 360 was launched, it was too early to have HD-DVD on it (not technically possible I hear?)
2- If it had, it would probably be as expensive as the PS3, and would fail terribly (like the PS3 is failing, or probably worse due to having a weaker brand name)

So yes, Microsoft was smart by sticking to DVD.

It's about flexibility (1)

Fross (83754) | more than 6 years ago | (#20614665)

It's up to the developers to handle this sort of thing. If there is no HD, you load everything each time. If there is one, cache the important stuff on it. If the user chooses the cheap-ass version of the console, then they can put up with the inconvenience.

Similarly, once the HD-drive takes off, I'm sure you will see games coming on either format. If you have an HD-drive, you can buy the single-disc version. If you don't, you buy the one on 3 DVDs. Don't some games on the 360 already come on multiple DVDs, eg Blue Dragon?

I'm sure MS will start selling a version with HD drive built in sometime soon, when the manufacturing cost comes down, and the drive has popularity. And they'll keep issuing games on DVD and HD formats, the same way that, even now to some extent, game developers on PC issue games on DVD and CD, the consumer gets to choose which they buy.

All this is to keep the price low, which as MS shrewdly worked out, is what is winning this generation of the console war. If Microsoft had started selling the 360 at $600, you can bet they'd have had the same amount of problems moving units as Sony has had over the past year.

Re:Missed the Boat (1, Insightful)

Retric (704075) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607631)

IMO it's not about HD-DVD etc I just hate being charged extra for basic functionality let's say I want the system and 2 controllers and rechargeable batteries.

With the PS3 you buy a
PlayStation 3 (60GB) $499.99
Playstation 3 Wireless Sixaxis Controller $39.99 (Includes rechargeable battery).
2nd PlayStation 3 USB Controller Charger Cable $4.99 or less it's just a USB cable. (Don't need but this way you can charge both at the same time...)

Xbox needs
Xbox 360 Console Includes 20GB Hard Drive $349.99 or 350...
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller $37.99
But wait you also need rechargeable batteries
Xbox 360 Rechargeable Controller Battery Pack $11.99
Xbox 360 Quick Charge Kit 29.99$ (includes one battery pack)

From Amazon Wii = $324.34 or you camp out for 250$
Now add in
Wii Charge Station $29.99 with twin rechargeable battery packs...
but wait 2nd person =
Wii Remote Controller $39.99
Wii Nunchuk Controller $19.99
Now to play Classic games you should pick up:
Wii Classic Controller $19.99 x2 = $40
and / or
Gamecube Wavebird Wireless Controller Grey $29.90 x2 = $60

Totals:

PS3: $545
360: $430 - $530
Wii: $380 - $474

Granted you can pay some Wii games without the second Nunchuk but it's considered somewhat "standard" for a lot of 2 player games. On the other hand it does come with some basic demo's which is cool.

PS: Though Amazon you can also get 8 blue ray disks (3 ship with the PS3 5 come with a mail in rebate) but it's not that big a deal. I don't consider video's as part of a game system so I skipped the 360's HD-DVD drive.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#20611837)

From Amazon Wii = $324.34 or you camp out for 250$ Now add in [...]

...which ignores the fact that $250.00 gets you a playable system, and you can add the extras on as your time and budget allow. You don't have to drop $599 (the cheap $499 units are sold out) in one lump payment but get to spread it out.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#20623725)

The potential to cost more than twice as much as the alternatives.
Probably because it's twice as powerful (...)

As an owner of a PS3, I urge you to not make us look bad by making such obviously false arguments. Thanks.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606809)

Sony has another shot at the PS3 bypassing all the others. I haven't looked at the latest numbers, but last I saw the PS2 was still outselling all 3 current-generation consoles. And with backwards compatibility (even the newer software PS3s) very good, the PS3 could still be a sleeper hit if Sony can get the price down and the advertising budget up. They could even create a "movie bundle" that includes a Blu-Ray remote and movie, as opposed to a "game bundle" that includes an extra controller and a game.

Re:Missed the Boat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20607039)

If by sold more you mean over the life of the product than you are correct, but there were more wiis and xbox360s sold last month than ps2s. By a long way.

Re:Missed the Boat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20610367)

Not that long of a way. The PS2 has more game sales if you look at the top 10. If you combine PS2 and PS3 game sales, then MS and Sony are a close first and second, and Nintendo is a distant third.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607085)

Except PS3 back-compat has gone straight to hell with the new 80GB PS3's that use emulation instead of embedded PS2 hardware...

Re:Missed the Boat (3, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607379)

Except PS3 back-compat has gone straight to hell with the new 80GB PS3's that use emulation instead of embedded PS2 hardware...

IT went from 99% to 80%. hardly going to hell. 360's still at 30%-40%.

Re:Missed the Boat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20610817)

XBox BC is currently 42%. All I know is that every game I have is on the backwards compatable list, so they've done a pretty good job of getting the popular games working.

Sony's 80%, however, include many games which manage to get to the title screen, and don't work at all past that (That's the "major troubles while running" category), but it's still included as 'working' for the 80%. As I don't have a PS3 myself (I've just seen the hillarious results of some of the 'backwards compatable' games on a friend's shiny new 80Gb PS3), I can't say how well they've done with the PS2 games vis-a-vis popularity, but I imagine the numbers of games which actually work well are in line with the 360... the difference being that if there are major problems with the XBox game, they just don't let you try.

Pick your poison. 42% known-working games, or 80% at-least-somewhat-works games.

Anyway yeah, the PS3's BC is MUCH better if you've got the EE on board, instead of via software. If you are concerned about BC with your PS2 games and you want a PS3, stick with the 60Gb version.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20618683)

IT went from 99% to 80%. hardly going to hell. 360's still at 30%-40%.
But are there any GameCube games (excluding Game Boy Player) that Wii does not play?

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20619929)

No wifi gc games, no GB player. Mostly because the hardware is very similar to the GC. Like the PS2 and early PS3 it essentially contains the same chip set and does BC through hardware. However unlike the PS2 and PS3 it's essentially using the same hardware layout but with more modern variants. Sort of like how x86 computable machines achieve Backwards computability, the chips are just built around the old chip set.

Wii Backwards Compatibility (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#20623795)

No wifi gc games

The GC had no wifi at all. What it did have was a broadband adapter. There was one game that really supported it, Phantasy Star Online. There were a few games that used it for local multiplayer gaming (F-Zero and Mario Kart, I think). Those features presumably don't work on the Wii, since there's no place where you can plug in the broadband (or modem adapter).

Since the Wii sports GC controller and memory card ports, even the weirder games requiring special controllers or other attachments work. Stuff like Odama, Four Swords or Donkey Konga work just fine on the Wii.

However, some (unlicensed) Freeloader discs don't work (haven't tried mine yet, I guess I'll keep the Cube for my foreign games).

In other words, all games work perfectly fine. Some hardware can't be plugged in anymore, and one unlicensed third-party application stopped working.

Re:Missed the Boat (2, Insightful)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607519)

And with backwards compatibility (even the newer software PS3s) very good...
Ok, I'll give you that, but consider for a moment the backwards compatibility of the Wii. It has the Virtual Console, which, for all intents and purposes, could be updated to emulate any older console (well, maybe not any, but you get the point). It's also directly backward compatible with the GCN. If you look at the last generation, a lot of people missed out on the GCN, and this would be their chance to play all those games that they missed out on. However, not nearly as many people missed out on the PS2, so there's not as much incentive for them to get a PS3 to play the games that they didn't have a chance to play on the PS2. With as many units as the PS2 sold (and continues to sell), I just don't see the backwards compatibility of the PS3 being a very big advantage for it. At the very least it's not as much of an advantage as it is for the Wii.

Re:Missed the Boat (2, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606881)

The simple reality is that the PS3 is priced well outside what most people are willing to pay for a game system. When the price comes down, sales will improve.

The thing is too expensive, period.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607439)

The simple reality is that the PS3 is priced well outside what most people are willing to pay for a game system. When the price comes down, sales will improve.

The thing is too expensive, period.


Part of that is the rapid inflation of the US dollar. It's price is reasonable to most other markets thus you see the 360 slowing down in those markets as the Ps3 eats the 360's lunch but in the Us the 40% value loss of the US dollar hedged it so that the PS3 is beyond a "reasonable" price. If you compare the price of a PS2 at launch to a Ps3 at launch in any other area you find close to parity. Off by about 5-10%. Int he US it is a difference of about 30.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608535)

Part of that is the rapid inflation of the US dollar. It's price is reasonable to most other markets

Nonsense, 600€ is not reasonable. Japan's prices may be but AFAIK they're lower than the US and EU prices.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

skam240 (789197) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608587)

Why doesn't this effect Nintendo then? While their hardware is quite a bit cheaper to manufacture one would think that if the value of the US dollar had such a dramatic effect on the PS3s price it would push the Wii's price up a fair bit more.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

davevt5 (30696) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612141)

Not quite, the 360 isn't made or assembled in the US so that is not an issue. Even the parts such as CPU / GPU are made in Malaysia

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607293)

Sony killed the PS3 with a series of stupid moves. The first of which was to make a console which can't be cheap (at least not in its first years)...

The PS3 could be a fine choice for the next generation, but apparently it can't work on this one.

Re:Missed the Boat (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608943)

Poor Playstation 3. It Really is sad to see something with so much potential get burried.

Yeah, I'm all choked up. I think what you actually meant is its delicious just desserts to see an arrogant corporation lose money hand over fist on an overhyped, overpowered, overpriced, Luxury Item they are trying to sell to teenagers. While they are being beat down by an underated(initially anyway), inexpensive, underpowered, happy little fun box from their third place competitor.

I and others recognized this as soon as the prices were announced. No amount of linux booting, accelleromter adding, online shopping enabling, metooism is going to fix that. Only the inevitable Price Reduction will save them now.

Console wars 2007. Who wins, WII do.

Just in case.. (-1, Flamebait)

GigaHurtsMyRobot (1143329) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606649)

As if we need more proof that the PS3 sucks and is only selling to fanbois and early blu-ray adopters.

sony is outsellin both of em (-1, Troll)

R00BYtheN00BY (1118945) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606669)

the sony family is outsellin the wii and the ds and the xbox gg xbots and wiitards

Re:sony is outsellin both of em (5, Insightful)

kosanovich (678657) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606751)

So you lump all sony products together to get

202 + 130.6 + 151.2 = 483.8

And you claim that makes it outsell nintendo and the xbox? Ok by that logic it's correct that it outsells xbox but if you're going to compare it to nintendo it's a little bit of a double standard if you take all three systems and compare it against only the wii OR it DS... by your line of reasoning shouldn't we combine all nintendo platforms and get 403.6 + 383.3 = 786.9k so you should be saying

"the nintendo family is outsellin the sony family and the xbox gg xbots and ps3tards"

If you want to troll at least try not to look so obvious (and just for the record the only console i currently own is a PS3)

Re:sony is outsellin both of em (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20607103)

"the nintendo family is outsellin the sony family and the xbox gg xbots and ps3tards"

FAGOT AGO G

Re:sony is outsellin both of em (1)

Brownstar (139242) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610157)

Or point out, that despite the much greater install base of the Wii both the PS3 and the 360 are selling way more units of software.

Wii's Attach Rate better than PS3's (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 6 years ago | (#20623833)

Well, you could point that out, but you'd be lying.

The Wii's attach rate is actually higher than the PS3's, and comparable to the 360's at the same time in its lifespan. This [ign.com] and are two of the newer links I could find. [n4g.com]

Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (4, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606673)

Latest /. discussion has been focused entirely on hardware numbers. Lately it has been Wii > 360 > PS3.

One thing is for sure, in terms of software, the 360 is top dog. This system flat out moves games. With Halo3 coming out in a little over a week, expect the 360 to have record quarterly numbers.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

HeliosTrick (825325) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606729)

Latest /. discussion has been focused entirely on hardware numbers. Lately it has been Wii > 360 > PS3.

One thing is for sure, in terms of software, the 360 is top dog. This system flat out moves games. With Halo3 coming out in a little over a week, expect the 360 to have record quarterly numbers.
I'm not sure if Halo 3 coming out will cause a huge spike in system buying though... Wouldn't Halo fans have already purchased the system, knowing the game would be coming?

I'm also quite amazed at how well the Xbox 360 is doing in terms of software. Personally I only own a few games for the system, as I mostly play Live Arcade games. I hope that more and more publishers take a look at those numbers, so we can continue to see more game choices on the 360.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

SighKoPath (956085) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606807)

I am a Halo fan, and have not yet purchased a 360, mostly due to financial reasons. I will be purchasing a 360 in a few months (with Halo 3), assuming I can get the money together. So, we do exist.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607265)

Cool, thought I was the only one. Although now that the wife has figured out how cool the Wii is, I suspect I might not be getting a 360 until next year...

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20608069)

I am a Halo fan

Don't worry, you'll grow up eventually.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606821)

"I'm not sure if Halo 3 coming out will cause a huge spike in system buying though... Wouldn't Halo fans have already purchased the system, knowing the game would be coming? I'm also quite amazed at how well the Xbox 360 is doing in terms of software. Personally I only own a few games for the system, as I mostly play Live Arcade games. I hope that more and more publishers take a look at those numbers, so we can continue to see more game choices on the 360."

Halo3 probably won't generate a huge spike, but it will be the most significant spike since the console's supply reached demand a few months after launch. This has been the most awaited game for the system along with GTA4.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 6 years ago | (#20609365)

I just bought a 360 a week ago in prep for Halo 3. (Hooray for anecdotal evidence!)

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (2, Informative)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607063)

Latest /. discussion has been focused entirely on hardware numbers. Lately it has been Wii > 360 > PS3.

If you look internationally it's Wii > Ps3 > 360 by a slight margin for the last 4 months now. The 360 is doing really well in America but far worse in other markets.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610381)

No, really just far worse in Japan.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20611137)

The 360 is doing average in two regions and horrific in one region while the PS3 is doing poorly in all three regions.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

brkello (642429) | more than 6 years ago | (#20613177)

No, if you look internationally is exactly what the GP post said. If you look specifically at market sectors you can come up with your order. But the fact is...a developer is going to look at these numbers and say, "Even though the Wii has sold more hardware, a blockbuster game sells better on the 360 then it does the Wii." That is dangerous for Nintendo.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (2, Informative)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20618625)

Expenses for developing a Wii game are lower so you don't need as many sales to reach break-even.

Also a developer starting a game now will look at the hardware growth to see what the userbases will probably be like by the time the game is done so the Wii's higher per-month sales make it look much more attractive.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (1)

geeknado (1117395) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608609)

Yeah, the 360 definitely does that, partly by virtue of, you know, /having some/. This brings up a good point, though, with regards to the two consoles. The 360 is targeted at the hardcore gamer segment, and those individuals are probably far more likely to buy(or at least rent) most 'important' games on the console. I would think that Wii owners, if they're actually budget conscious etc(as it's been suggested they are), might invest in less games over the same period of time. Obviously, this is all just speculation, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in real numbers when the Wii's library grows. There's plenty of room for both consoles to succeed, and I think that they both have done so, but the interesting bit is how each strategy will really play out in the long run...Clearly, the Wii is 'winning' from the hardware perspective, but software is where the real money usually is. All of this could really affect what the next generation of consoles looks like.

Re:Wii vs 360 vs PS3 (2, Interesting)

pokerdad (1124121) | more than 6 years ago | (#20614743)

One thing is for sure, in terms of software, the 360 is top dog. This system flat out moves games.

I've seen this claim quite a bit and it stands to reason; xbox appeals to hardcore gamers and they buy lots of games. But I've been wanting to seen some actual hard numbers.

Unfortunately, my searches done just now did not find me the numbers I wanted - all time software sales worldwide by console, but I did find one thing that was food for thought. (all numbers from www.vgchartz.com)

For week ending September 8, 2007 the software sales of xbox360 vs wii in America were 993574 vs 615084, while the number of consoles (total not sales) in America at that time were 7.03M vs 4.69M.

In other words the 360 sold 0.14 games per unit last week while the Wii sold 0.13 games per unit. Hardly the massive difference everyone assumes.

lol sony fails it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20606695)

No tears for Sony after their rootkit debacle and treating customers like thieves.

$599, indeed.

Sony can't be too happy (4, Insightful)

badinsults (1152183) | more than 6 years ago | (#20606817)

Although I am sure that Sony will find some way to spin this in a good manner, I can't imagine they will be too happy that sales have actually decreased from July. With the expectation that the 60 GB version with true backwards compatibility would only be around for a short time, I am certainly surprised there wasn't a longer spike in sales. There might be some increase in sales due to high profile games like Lair and Heavenly Sword In September, but all signs point to these being disappointing and may do nothing to drive sales.

I am not shocked to see Xbox 360 sales increase. Bioshock is an amazing game, and as the de-facto console of hardcore gamers, the Xbox 360 version of Madden certainly helped sales. With Halo 3 only days away, I would expect the Xbox 360 will finish off the year with units flying off the shelf (and I would expect that sales will rival the Wii for the rest of the year).

The Wii continues to have strong sales, hampered by a continuing lack of supply. Nintendo will be happy with the sales of Metroid, and I imagine this game will continue to be a top seller for the next year or two. I'm betting Nintendo has started to hoard some units for the upcoming Christmas rush, so probably the rate of sales will be steady until November.

Re:Sony can't be too happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20612721)

Sony will just point to worldwide numbers instead. The XBox looks great if you consider coming in second in a single market "great".

wii has less games? (0)

sam_paris (919837) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607045)

I'm no expert but it seems to me like the wii has less of a catalog of games than the 360 and that the future lineup also doesn't look as good.

This is the major reason why i've held off buying one, i'm currently thinking about going for a 360..

Re:wii has less games? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607309)

Only reason there are few games is because all the game developers/publishers did not want to touch the Wii with a 10' pole before release of the system. They all thought it would flop. The two or three publishers that took the chance on it are making lots of money now as a result while everyone else is playing catch-up. There are something like 68 games due out in the next 3 months. Essentially every major and minor developer/publisher has at least one or two games arriving in this time-frame because it take 10-12 months to really get a game out on a system (even a port), and that is how long ago these developers realized that they missed the boat.

Re:wii has less games? (2, Informative)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608715)

Top twenty list for August broken down by platform:
XBox 360: 5
Wii: 5
DS: 4
PS/2: 3
PSP: 1
PS/3: 1
Xbox: 1

Obviously this doesn't reflect the entire catalog. It does, however, suggest that the Wii catalog is selling just fine. The linked article only listed number of units for the top 10 games. There, the 1.3M games units were sold for the 360 vs. the 0.7M game units for the Wii. But the top ten has only 2 360 titles vs. 4 titles for the Wii. Obviously, the market thinks that the Wii has a decent catalog of games.

Not all Wii games are counted... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608959)

If you look at Metacritic it will show you every 360 game, & PS3 game including the Live arcade ones and an occasional Japanese import, but you will not see reviews for Wii Virtual console games. These games do get reviews from various outlets, do cost money, and do bring value to Wii owners, so why are they excluded? Castelvania: SoTN shows up, why not Mario64 ?

Re:wii has less games? (1)

sciencewhiz (448595) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610537)

Madden 08 was released on 6 of the 7 platforms, and the quantity of sales was in the following order: XBox 360, PS/2, PS/3, Xbox, Wii, PSP.

Wii is last of the nex-gen systems.

Re:wii has less games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20611515)

What makes you think Madden is a good measurement? Just look at the types of games that are selling well on the Wii - they're nothing like the kind of games that sell well on the Xbox 360.

Re:wii has less games? (1)

BarneyL (578636) | more than 6 years ago | (#20617081)

Well compare to any other game you like then. Madden on the X360 outsells all the Wii titles in the top ten combined. Bioshock outsells the top 2 Wii games combined.
I agree that you would expect a game like Madden to sell better on the 360 but given there are supposed to be about the same number of each system out there it looks like in total a lot more 360 owners buying games than Wii owners.
To me it's the biggest challenge Nintendo faces, lots of people are picking up a Wii but how many are simply sticking with Wii Sports and Wii Play. I fit into this camp, I only have a Wii and I love it but I'm happy with the 4 wiimotes and small collection of party games I own and don't see the need to get any more soon.
To really make the big money and get more titles onto the system developers need to know that all those owners out there actually want another game.

Re:wii has less games? (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 6 years ago | (#20611965)

That's exactly my experience. I have a Wii and a 360. The only games for the Wii that I have are Wii Play, Twilight Princess, and Super Paper Mario. There seems to be a dearth of good Wii games, as most seem to just be a bunch of mini-games, movie adaptations, TV adaptations, or silly little games. The only game that has actually interested me these past few months has been Metroid. Sure, people will say that good games will come out in time, but jeez, it's already been 10 months. They should have some good games by now. Mario Galaxies and SSBB look interesting, but those are the only things that really interest me in the next 3 months.

My favorite thing about the 360 is that it can download demos and XBLA games. Geometry Wars, Space Giraffe and Small Arms are all some excellent XBLA games. The demos are great too. Being able to try out console games before you buy them is great. Sure, I could just rent them, but that still requires me to spend money per game. With Xbox Live, it's something like $5 a month for as many games I want to try out. I've had the Dead Rising demo since it came out and I see no reason to even buy the game because the demo does the job quite well.

I'm sure I sound like a shill or something, but the Xbox 360 has probably been the best money I've spent gaming-wise. The Wii definitely has great potential, but the lack of amazing games out really is holding it back. If anyone knows some good games that I don't know of for it, please tell.

Why no pricedrop discussion? (2, Interesting)

stormy24 (1002318) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607089)

The 360 sales spike is because of the price drop. Any influence Madden 08 and Bioshock had is minimal compared to the effect the price drop had. The PS3 didn't get this much of a sales surge in their price drop because I think the $499 price is still too much to swallow, and the library is too shallow. But, people are still buying relatively good amounts of PS3s at high prices and few games worth mention. If the PS3 intro's a $399 SKU as is rumored, and if games keep flowing in as planned, all bets are going to be off.

Re:Why no pricedrop discussion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20607601)

It's completely ridiculous to think that Sony is going to release a 40GB PS3 for $200 less than the 80GB one. You can get an OEM 40GB drive for $38 and an OEM 80GB drive for $43.

The big expenses for the system are the Bluray drive and the Cell. Those aren't going to get much cheaper until they can increase production and they can't increase production until there's demand for it.

Even if they did create a $400 SKU, I'm not sure that all bets would be off. From a brief examination of eBay, it looks like PS3s are auctioning for the low $400s. Auction prices represent the very upper end of what people are willing to pay for a good (as the winner of an auction is always the person who is willing to pay more than any of the other bidders for it). In essence, given a sufficiently large and varied pool of bidders, auction prices are always significantly higher than most people would value the item. So that suggests that even at a $400 price, the PS3 would still be pretty far from mass market acceptance.

Re:Why no pricedrop discussion? (1)

stormy24 (1002318) | more than 6 years ago | (#20609109)

The rumor, as predicted by analysts, is that the 40GB SKU would intro at $399 and the 80GB unit would drop to $499. The 60GB unit, with the more expensive to produce hardware based emulation, would be completely removed. They've already stopped production on this unit, so this is a given. The reasoning for the $100 difference is the same as before, more hard drive space and the Motorstorm game bundled, not just hard drive space. The only factor that would cause an eBay price to be higher than MSRP is low retail availability. Anyone that wants a PS3 can find one in the store, thus the eBay price is slightly less than retail, just like everything else on eBay that can be found reliably on the shelf. Only if there were supply problems would the PS3's eBay price actually be higher than retail.

Re:Why no pricedrop discussion? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20618733)

The issue many people have with that claim is that the 40GB PS3 would be only marginally cheaper (10$ or less) to make than the 80GB one. There's probably more cost from having to deal with two different bundles than there is money saved from making the HD 40GB. If Sony can sell a 40GB PS3 at 400$ they can sell an 80GB PS3 at 400$.

Re:Why no pricedrop discussion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20615549)

Sony failed to learn from Neo Geo and their something like $1000 console with $250 games. (And from 3D0 to an extent...)

As to game sales: I really doubt that any Wii game needs to sell all that many raw number of units to be just as financially successful as an XBOX360 or PS3 game as the dev costs for Wii games should be significantly lower, which is partially supported by the lower cost of Wii games to begin with.

All of the crapbox games, are just consolejacked PC games, which I'm only interested in on the PC as the PC versions will allow additional patching, modding, etc. The Wii has console games, and a decent library of past console titles to boot, both of which are EXACTLY what I want in a CONSOLE. Console "style" games for any console that I might own, and PC games for my PC and never the twain should meet, EVER.

Christmas should be interesting (3, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607119)

This Christmas is going to be interesting as far as sales numbers go. While we dealt with the two new systems last Christmas, things have radically changed in only a year. The Wii still sells out quickly, though stores are able to keep it in stock now, but will that last into the holiday season? Added to this is that two AAA titles, Super Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Brothers Brawl, are coming out before Christmas.

DDR: Hottest Party (Or was it Hottest Dance?) comes out in a few weeks on the Wii, too, and will likely be scooped up in droves by the "casual" gamers as it is yet another way to play games without sitting on the couch.

Then the 360 and PS3 have both had hardware changes and price drops, so the general public will be more receptive. And now that there is a larger selection of high-def movies available, both will be interesting to HD buffs (probably more the PS3 than 360 due to integration).

Oh yeah, and how could I forget Guitar Hero III? All three systems. It will be interesting to see which system gets the highest sales for this.

And the DS will still outsell everything. It prints money, after all. (And the DS is getting a Guitar Hero, too)

Re:Christmas should be interesting (1)

MrDoh1 (906953) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607593)

I don't know about anywhere else in the country (or world for that matter) but as someone that has been "casually" looking locally for a Wii since it launched, I have yet to see *ANY* sitting on the shelf of any store I have been to in South East Texas. This includes Walmart, Target and the like, as well as Hastings (a book and music and movie chain, same people that started and own NetFlix I believe), as well as EB Games and Gamestop.

One day I'll actually find and buy one.

Re:Christmas should be interesting (2, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610005)

I don't know about anywhere else in the country (or world for that matter) but as someone that has been "casually" looking locally for a Wii since it launched, I have yet to see *ANY* sitting on the shelf of any store I have been to in South East Texas. This includes Walmart, Target and the like, as well as Hastings (a book and music and movie chain, same people that started and own NetFlix I believe), as well as EB Games and Gamestop.


I don't know, but I've seen shipments at the big electronics retailer (like Circuit City or Best Buy - not sure if you have them) at least once a week, and they tend to last 1-2 days. In Canada, one retailer I visit regularly (because it's down the block from work) gets 80-100 every week. Takes 'em usually around 1-2 days before they're completely sold out. But it's better than it was a few months ago, where they sold out in 20 minutes.

EB Games/Gamestop tends to probably get around 10 or so, so they go quickly since everyone tries there first. Ditto with the other stores - for some reason or other, they get really small shipments. Then again, they probably have tons in the back and only bring out two...

Correction (GH III) (1)

xero314 (722674) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610561)

Guitar Hero III will be available on all 4 systems, and Rock band will be on all but the Wii. I actually think GH 3 and RB will boost PS2 sales (note necessarily hardware) more than the other systems combined.

Re:Christmas should be interesting (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 6 years ago | (#20611265)

You're right, this is going to be interesting. But I don't expect Nintendo to QUITE be able to keep up with demand, although I bet they've been planning ahead for it for some time, they may have put some new production lines on schedule to start up specifically for the holiday season.

As for Guitar Hero 3, I'm going to expect that the winner will be the 360, since the system already has two GH games out for it, less Wii owners will have been privilaged to the hype that has been the Guitar Hero series. The PS3 will move a few units, but the 360 will win by sheer market share domination.

Re:Christmas should be interesting (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 6 years ago | (#20615861)

Most places like Target and Best Buy have had GH demos out for a very long time now, so the mass populace has had some time to check the game out. I often see the demos in use wherever I go, so they are definitely popular. The extra price for the GH controller might turn off some casual Wii owners (who bought a Wii due to the lower price), but I think a lot of Wii owners are going to pick up this title.

Re:Christmas should be interesting (1)

xero314 (722674) | more than 6 years ago | (#20616549)

As for Guitar Hero 3, I'm going to expect that the winner will be the 360, since the system already has two GH games out for it
The 360 has one GH game so far, and that would be GH 2 only. The PS2 on the other hand has 3 GH games, and as I said before I suspect GH 3 for PS2 will be the best selling GH 3 version. I also suspect GH 3 and Rock Band will be the reason for many people to finally make the move to PS 3 since they will have controllers available to allow them to play their PS2 versions of GH and have the online content they don't get with the PS 2. The only thing that might stop this from happening is if they don't make a single Guitar that is compatible with both games (so far it has only been said that the Rock Band Guitar, which is more complex, could be made to work with Guitar Hero but nothing has been announced about this actually being done).

Nintendo and the fragile game market... (2, Insightful)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607543)

I have to say that while Nintendo is selling lots of Wii's the game is not over yet, developers have to be successful in releasing games on the Wii and see if the demographic which purchased the Wii will bite.

I think the Wii will subsidize the hardcore segment of the market, but I have doubts that the people who bought the Wii for wii sports / Wii play will have much of an interest in hardcore games. I'm taking a wait and see approach. It looks to me like the Xbox and Wii will be king in North america and the PS3 and Wii will be king in Japan.

Nintendo though has been really having problems developing their first party games and the 3rd party software developers have REALLY caught up with Nintendo in terms of game quality.

I was playing Twilight princess and Wind Waker and found myself underwhelmed by it compared to a game like say God of War and God of War 2. They are both action games, but Zelda was not as combat heavy, nor as interesting as other more explorative games.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (3, Informative)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607715)

Twilight princess and God of War don't really have that much to do with each other. If you want more combat than Zelda, then it's not an issue of quality, but an issue of what you want out of a game. You might as well say that neither of the two games has enough zombies, so Resident Evil is better.

There are very few games that try to do something similar to Zelda: I only remember two off the top of my head, the Dark Cloud series and Okami. I'd put dark cloud well under TP, and Okami rather even quality wise.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 6 years ago | (#20611333)

Meh, I don't think Dark Cloud and Zelda have much in common. I've only played DC2, and only part of it, but it seemed more like a combination of a dungeon crawler and SimCity. There are other games that are able to capture a more similar feel to Zelda. Try Skies of Arcadia, for instance, which is a straight-ahead RPG, but whose dungeon construction and navigation is quite reminicient of a Zelda game. It also has a similar flare for the epic while remaining very innocent. Another one to mention is ICO, which is a must-play for anyone into the adventure genre, absolutely breathtaking game... one of my favorite games ever made. Okami as well.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 6 years ago | (#20611859)

"Twilight princess and God of War don't really have that much to do with each other."

Nonsense they are both 3rd person combat games with exploration elements. God of war was combat heavy and NPC light. God of war had everything Zelda had, just more complicated combat system and a different theme.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (1)

This_Is_My_Happening (1151393) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612369)

You think Zelda is a 3rd person combat game? WHAT? That's just plain wrong. Zelda is a classic adventure game to the core, while God of War is an action game with some character building thrown in. God of War is much more linear - once you exit one area you can't return. This is in complete contrast with zelda games. Zelda has more in common with a game like Shadow of Colossus than with God of War.

I'm not knocking God of War of course. Awesome game. But comparing it to Zelda is useless - they are different genres.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612489)

"That's just plain wrong. Zelda is a classic adventure game to the core"

Dude "Adventure", is not even a genre when we're dealing with a 3D action rpg! The only really Adventure games are things like Kings Quest and monkey island. The original Zelda was all about dungeon crawling and fighting (i.e. The original NEs) the 2nd Zelda was again, ALL about dungeon crawling and fighting, with a few NPC's here and there. Zelda 3 was the first time zelda became "an adventure". I lived through all these generations, and the "adventure" part was just an excuse.

"Adventure" is just a word that cover the fact that you're going to do fed-ex quests and have a bunch of backtracking, you must be ASLEEP as a gamer man. Man I loved zelda, but when Zelda moved to 3D from a LTTP it lost the "adventure" moniker. I admire all games but you have to define a game by:

1) The camera angle (i.e. first person, vs 3rd)
2) What is the avatar doing primarily and then 2ndary and so forth? Fighting + dungeon crawling.
3) Kratos was just as much of an adventurer when he went on to go beat Ares. The focus was on the story. Don't tell me playing god of war was not an "adventure".

They have an extreme amount in common from how the games actually WORK and PLAY.

Language (i.e. adventure, etc) does not define a game, it's technical characteristics define it. If we replaced all Twilight Princesses enemies with those of god of war and replaced link with Kratos, would it still be an "Adventure"?

The whole word "adventure" is just made up crap to justify less emphasis on combat and more on travelling and mind numbing fed-ex quests. I hated the sea travelling in wind waker because you were bored out of your skull just sitting their drooling for 5-10 minutes at a time getting places and the game world was really empty. Twilight princess didn't come together very well either, the temple in the desert was pretty crap as you could tell from it being a gamecube game.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (1)

This_Is_My_Happening (1151393) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612675)

The "pure" adventure games, like Kings Quest and Monkey Island (or my personal favourite, Sam & Max) get that label because their core game mechanic involves puzzle solving. The reason I believe Zelda warrants the Adventure moniker is because it too focuses on puzzle solving. Every dungeon in zelda is a large puzzle to be solved - the enemies are just there to get in the way while you solve the puzzle. Even the dungeon bosses usually require tricks to defeat, and themselves are mini-puzzles.

GoW on the other hand is much more combat focused. It's certainly not a mindless button smasher, but most of the time you are slashing through hordes of enemies just getting from one point to another. The core gameplay mechanic there is watching Kratos kick ass in awesome ways (and boy does he!). But as far as puzzles go Kratos doesnt have to deal with nearly as many non-sensical who-the-heck-devised-this puzzles as Link. And that's not a bad thing - they are just different games.

As an aside, I agree that the sea travelling in wind waker sucked. Whoever thought that was a good idea should have been fired. Hopefully Phantom Hourglass does better.

Re:Nintendo and the fragile game market... (1)

pokerdad (1124121) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610343)

I have to say that while Nintendo is selling lots of Wii's the game is not over yet, developers have to be successful in releasing games on the Wii and see if the demographic which purchased the Wii will bite. I think the Wii will subsidize the hardcore segment of the market, but I have doubts that the people who bought the Wii for wii sports / Wii play will have much of an interest in hardcore games. I'm taking a wait and see approach. It looks to me like the Xbox and Wii will be king in North america and the PS3 and Wii will be king in Japan.

I think you've got it half right. I think that either through market research or just by watching sales the software companies are going to come to the conclusion that hardcore games aren't going to sell as well on the Wii as the size of install base would indicate. But while you see this as a reason for them to lean away from the Wii, I suspect it will just mean that they lean away from releasing "hardcore" games on the Wii.

Remember that often times its much cheaper to create games that are non-hardcore, and if that's what is most popular amoungst Wii owners, expect the software companies to go where the money is. And while the effect may be suttle, any time a programer is working on "mini-game collection 99" for the Wii, he's not working on "FPS 99" for the PS3/xbox360

XBox 360 is easily #1 in systems shipped!!! (4, Funny)

Ang31us (1132361) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607549)

For every Xbox 360 sold at retail, Microsoft ships at least 5 to 10 replacement units.

Re:XBox 360 is easily #1 in systems shipped!!! (1)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 6 years ago | (#20607757)

Fascinating, truly fascinating! Source?

Uhhh (1)

skis (920891) | more than 6 years ago | (#20608227)

Does this stuff still matter enough that it should be posted every day?

Re:Uhhh (1)

Were-Rabbit (959205) | more than 6 years ago | (#20610505)

You dare deny the various fanboys their need to vent? Do you realize the catastrophe that would occur if the various camps were not allowed to spout their reasons for supporting their particular platform on a regular basis? The build up would be ... wait, if we could harness that energy ... nah, they need uncontrolled reactions. Let the fanboys have their fun. After all, we don't have to click on any link that is not of interest. ;)

Re:Uhhh (1)

AgentPaper (968688) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612643)

You dare deny the various fanboys their need to vent? Do you realize the catastrophe that would occur if the various camps were not allowed to spout their reasons for supporting their particular platform on a regular basis? The build up would be ... wait, if we could harness that energy ... nah, they need uncontrolled reactions.
Hmm... they're toxic, unstable, explosive, and prolonged exposure causes corruption...

No wonder Nintendo is doing so well. Their top selling game is made of fanboys!

New slashdot automated news generator (2, Funny)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 6 years ago | (#20612669)

I posted it yesterday, but as its almost the same story, I will post almost the same comment:

(insert submitter's name) writes in to tell us that (insert URL) is reporting that the Nintendo Wii has sold (x) number of units, barely itching out past the XBox 360, which has sold (y) units. Both are still well outselling the poor Sony PS3 which has only sold (z).

Automated comments:
Score 3, Funny - And is anyone surprised by this
    This must generate a thread of at least 10 posts

Sore 4, Interesting - If Sony would stop (insert profanity) their developers, maybe PS3 sales would be stronger.
    This must generate a thread of at least 15 posts.

Score 2 - I just bought a PS3 because it was a cheap BluRay player.

HD Format Wars Automated news generator:
(insert submitters name) writes in to tell us that (insert URL) is reporting that (Company X) has decided to go with the (insert format name). Recent sales figures shows that BluRay is currently outselling HD-DVD (y:z)
Article approver will comment: "I am just waiting on (insert movie) to be released, that will get me to decide which format to go with..

Mandnatory comments must include:
Score 5, Interesting / Funny- The Porn industry has decided to go with HD-DVD
this must generate a thread of atleast 20 replies

Score 3 - I just hope BluRay wins out, not because of the format, but because I want the storage capacity.

Score 4, Informative - Neither format will win, both will quietly die, because there is not a significant enough improvement over DVD to justify a format war. The reason DVD won over VHS is because there was a huge technology leap. We are still on discs here, the next big leap will be with downloadable content, not HD-DVD
This must generate a thread of atleast 20 replies, some agreeing, some disagreeing, at least one funny comment with will spur a whole other conversation not remotely related to the story

Re:New slashdot automated news generator (1)

gamer4Life (803857) | more than 6 years ago | (#20623611)

The worst is those that are consistently modded up by Microsoft fanboys such as:

+5 Insightful:
The PS3 is too expensive, Sony keeps shooting themselves in the foot, the PS3 has NO games

+4 Insightful:
The Wii has no games. The XBox is the console for hardcore gamers. The XBox has better graphics.

Honestly, these comments are just FUD. Of course the XBox 360 will have more games. The PS3 is better value that an XBox 360 with the same spec. The Wii is going for a different demographic and what exactly is "hardcore"? I think the PC is more for the "hardcore".

It seems like Microsoft helps plant the seeds of FUD, while they've accurately guessed that their fanboy population will propagate their FUD via forums. As it stands now, they've got the most fanboys online, so of course most of the comments will be pro-XBox 360, and especially anti-Sony.

It's sad really, to see people doing the work for a multi-billion dollar (evil) corporation.

What I'd like to know (1)

samael (12612) | more than 6 years ago | (#20614195)

Is which console sold the most games last months.

It doesn't matter if everyone is buying console X if that market only buys one game a year for it...

Real Console Winner--the PC (2, Insightful)

MogNuts (97512) | more than 6 years ago | (#20615533)

You know what is interesting? The real winner in the "console" wars, although many may not realize it, is the PC:

1. Vast library of titles available and also has titles available on multiple consoles (vs. PS3's dearth of a game library)

2. Option to have non-faulty hardware (vs. XBOX 360 "red ring of death"; btw, I'm not saying all have it--mine is in an extremely well ventilated area and I have no problems)

3. Superior graphics capabilities. Being able to play Oblivion at resolutions 1280x1024 and up--gorgeous (vs. the Wii)

4. No need to deal with figuring out the complexities of HDTV or even buying one (just choose the resolution your monitor, which you already have, supports)

5. The expense. You already have a computer if you are reading /. Pick up a cheap $200 video card (e.g. ATI Radeon X1950 XT) that can run pretty much any game out there with very good quality and good resolution, It will be very speedy and you have something that is cheaper than any of the consoles. And needing an expensive computer for games is a myth.

6. No loading times (for the most part). Forza Motorsport 2 or Oblivion on an XBOX 360--painful, after a while

Something to think about.
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