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Trent Reznor Says "Steal My Music"

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the unlikely-defense-against-the-mafiaa dept.

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THX-1138 writes "A few months ago, Trent Reznor (frontman of the band Nine Inch Nails), was in Australia doing an interview when he commented on the outrageous prices of CDs there. Apparently now his label, Universal Media Group is angry at him for having said that. During a concert last night, he told fans, '...Has anyone seen the price come down? Okay, well, you know what that means — STEAL IT. Steal away. Steal and steal and steal some more and give it to all your friends and keep on stealin'. Because one way or another these mother****ers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that's not right.'"

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in mother russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20642987)

trent steals you!

One out of one Trent Reznor agrees: (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643117)

Pirating music is theft.

Re:One out of one Trent Reznor agrees: (5, Insightful)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643327)

Can you please cite the judicial order or legislative ruling that establishes copyright infringement as equivalent to theft?

And, on topic, what about the big fuzzy gray area where the creator of a work still has free expression to say things like "steal this book" or "my agent is a dick nose and I want out of my contract?"

Trent Steals You. (1)

Erris (531066) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643181)

From who? Universal? Robbing the majors is the thing to do these days [theonion.com] .

Steal OUR Country (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643347)

"Because one way or another these mother****ers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that's not right.'"

Evidently, these War Criminals [whitehouse.org] have no intention of getting it through their heads.
I hope this helps their military commissions trials.

Has he put his money where his mouth is? (0, Troll)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#20642989)

I just wonder one thing: has he stopped accepting royalties from the CD sales, or canceled his distribution contracts? Without that step, this is a fairly empty gesture from a very rich man.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (4, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643003)

You're right, the 13 cents he makes per cd should totally be given back. Power to the people!

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (3, Informative)

thegnu (557446) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643345)

You're right, the 13 cents he makes per cd should totally be given back. Power to the people!

Don't forget he has to pay for studio time, so make that 13 cents per CD (that's a very good deal, as these things go) minus $200,000 for each project.

How's the math on that?
-Nathan
PS:I'm sure trent has built his own studio by now and has engineers lapping at his johnson to work on his stuff. But still. I bet the studio cost a couple million.

Hey (1)

Eco-Mono (978899) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643009)

Send him some mail. It'd be interesting to see if he'd do it... and if he does it'd be a pretty powerful gesture to the music industry (I think we all know which gesture ;) ).

Re:Hey (5, Funny)

edraven (45764) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643133)

Yes, because those recording industry guys really hate it when people give them money. Man that gets them riled.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (3, Interesting)

dctoastman (995251) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643035)

Actually, if he stopped accepting royalties, then the record companies will make an even larger profit and they wouldn't care. That would make it an empty gesture.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643539)

I think the point about royalties is that he built his career using their distribution and advertising networks and continues to enjoy the benefits (royalties) of their restrictive (high priced) distribution model.

NiN is a Big Deal & could easily start their own label and do whatever they damn well please. So, by suggesting he renounce royalties, the GP is saying that Reznor shouldn't just say "Fuck the Man", he should actually stop taking money he's earned through the system he decries.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (2, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643541)

Actually, if he stopped accepting royalties, then the record companies will make an even larger profit and they wouldn't care. That would make it an empty gesture.

Feh! They real money is in the live shows. CD sales hardly enrich performers at all.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (5, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643111)

I just wonder one thing: has he stopped accepting royalties from the CD sales, or canceled his distribution contracts? Without that step, this is a fairly empty gesture from a very rich man.
He makes available high quality raw audio track for people to sample with. He vocally questioned the high prices in Australia. He encouraged his fans to steal his music. I don't think he needs to impoverish himself to have an opinion.

Especially since (2, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643415)

The label would just keep the money. That's not really a punishment for them "Do what I say or I'm going to give you MORE money!". If he could force the label to give the money to the consumers, ok then maybe I could see a point, but he can't so it would just be giving them more.

Rather, he seems to be encouraging his fans to not buy his music, which deprives him of royalties, but also deprives the label of money.

Re:Especially since (5, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643517)

Rather, he seems to be encouraging his fans to not buy his music, which deprives him of royalties, but also deprives the label of money.
Exactly, already it's like 98:2 label:talent money split for new bands. For NIN I'd imagine it's 85:15. His label loses more if his music is stolen then he does. If you look for some of his older records they are premium priced. $24-$45 CAD for pretty hate machine or the downward spiral. Ludicrous for something that is individually less then $0.10 to produce.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (2, Interesting)

JordanL (886154) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643135)

Yeah, because I'm sure that his contract wouldn't land him in court for doing that.

At least this way he can take the "It's actually my intellectual property" defense to the US Copyright Office if he gets thrown into court.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

harrkev (623093) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643227)

At least this way he can take the "It's actually my intellectual property" defense to the US Copyright Office if he gets thrown into court.
Until the studio pulls out the contract with his signature that states that the studio owns the IP.

That is the way that it (AFAIK) usually works. The artist gives the rights to the studio, they publish it and give the artist some money back. If the artist retained the IP, they could sell it themselves and bypass the studio. Studios don't like that.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (4, Insightful)

SloWave (52801) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643321)

>> Until the studio pulls out the contract with his signature that states that the studio owns the IP.

Anytime you see the term 'IP' used in this context, think 'Illusionary Property' because that's exactly what it is. The whole fiction of IP being somehow property that can be owned, sold, stolen, or otherwise equated with real hard goods is a fiction created by lawyers and corporations to extract more money and control for themselves.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643141)

Why would refusing royalties from CD sales (thereby giving more to the record company) be "putting his money where his mouth is"? It seems to me that encouraging people to "steal" his music *is* putting his money where his mouth is, since he just won't make royalties on that music.

He said recently in an interview that he's trapped in a contract and has to produce some number of albums for his label, but after that he'll probably distribute MP3s from his website and accept Paypal donations-- or something like that. I don't have the quote handy.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (5, Interesting)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643293)

He said recently in an interview that he's trapped in a contract and has to produce some number of albums for his label,....
This also means his label are probably stuck with him for the same number of albums proving the previous one sells a certain minimum number.

It sounds similar to Matt Groening and FOX. They pissed him off by not letting him concentrate on Futurama and making him churn out more Simpsons so he used the Simpsons as a vehicle to insult FOX executives whenever he could. They had to put up with it as he was sticking by his contract and making them money.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

sumdumass (711423) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643547)

Didn't pantera run into this where they were stuck in a bad contract and had to product so many albums with so many sales before they could get out.

I remember them talking about it on stage and saying something like they are releasing singles to pad a bunch of crap so they could meet their contract and go with a different label. They were cranking albums out just to get out of the contract.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643349)

Go with the subscription model of rhapsody napster. Listen to everything. Listen to all of it. Is a win situation for the record companies and you. Since you'll be bored of the same songs anyways. And if you want to quit for a month. Just quit.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (4, Insightful)

krog (25663) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643157)

Jeopardizing one's employment by publicly disagreeing with the immoral practices of one's employer doesn't sound very empty to me.

Sure, he might not have said these things back when Pretty Hate Machine was about to be released, but that doesn't negate what he's saying.

he has a history of problems with publishers (4, Informative)

acidrain (35064) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643461)

Sure, he might not have said these things back when Pretty Hate Machine was about to be released

I'm told he took a long break from recording after Pretty Hate Machine until his record contract expired because he didn't like the terms he signed. No love for the system from that guy.

Here is the wiki section on his issues with the cooperate world:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Inch_Nails#Corporate_entanglements [wikipedia.org]

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

easyEmu (977903) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643169)

I am glad he is rich, he has made some really good music, so I do not know why you would ask the artist to put his money where is mouth is. I would also say that Trent is just a few steps away from cutting the middleman out entirely from the music making process. For Year Zero, he made available through torrents half the album in layered tracks. This was to encourage people to come up with their own remixes of his music. He also purposely leaked many of the songs from his album over the internet and leaving songs on USB disks in bathroom stalls at his concerts as a marketing ploy. The entire album was also free to listen to on the NIN website. He is doing things that few in his position would even dare to do. Some of the things he is doing is reminiscent of independent artists who have yet to make it big and do not have a bunch of suits dictating their music.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1, Insightful)

burris (122191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643219)

Are you kidding? Musicians don't see a dime of royalties from their record sales. Creative accounting and "recoupable" expenses take care of that. Thats why musicians like Reznor encourage the public to steal from the record companies, because the record companies are stealing from the musicians.

Musicians make all of their money from live performances and merchandising. Reznor may earn royalties from other musicians albums he has producer credits on, however.

Also, I seriously doubt that Trent Reznor is "very rich" or even "rich" by first world standards.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643307)

What about bands that no longer tour? Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance hasn't put out new material in years, and his last series of tours was brief, but he's still getting enough from sales of old catalogue to get by. Cocteau Twins have disbanded, but at least their guitarist Robin Guthrie still gets plenty from sales of their old albums. While it is true that there have been some artists completely screwed over, plenty of other musicians see royalties.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (4, Insightful)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643287)

Royalties? you are enjoying that smoke I hope...
Having been in the biz I know why he said that at a concert; he gets NOT ONE DIDDLY PENNY for those CDs. nada, nothing nyet! that is the way it works. All your uber stars get nothing more then a screw job for the recordings which is why they go on tour. Life on the road sucks but at least you DO get a percentage of the concert take. Remember that band from the 60s you loved? They are playing the county fair in Backwoods Iowa today and may get 20% of the gate or if they are lucky car fair, and a straight grand or so for a week's performances. Music biz is a reality check; The record companys get the other sort of chequeues.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643569)

All your uber stars get nothing more then a screw job for the recordings which is why they go on tour.

Paul McCartney is worth $1.5 billion. Believe me, that's not just from tours. I know it's the commonly accepted wisdom on slashdot, but it's just not true.

Maybe they get screwed the first or second album, but the more successful an artist becomes the more bargaining power they get and the more legal representation they can afford.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (2, Informative)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643305)

Why, if his point is that they're charging too much for CDs, not that the entire edifice of the music industry should be torn down? Refusing royalties would be pointless since all that would happen is the record company would keep even more of the CD price. Canceling his contract would be a dramatic gesture, but then he would have zero influence in that company anymore.

I mean of course it's just a gesture from a very rich man -- being rich is kinda what enables him to be able to afford to say "steal my album even though I'm payed through royalties". You won't see any small-time act say that unless they all have day jobs. But whereas he could make a more extreme gesture, this is one where he is putting his money directly where his mouth is -- i.e. he's threatening his own royalties through increased piracy.

Just compare it to the "gestures" of other rich musicians who make a lot of money from royalties -- yes, I'm thinking Metallica here. Compared to Lar's "stop stealing our stuff, pay full price and like it bitches" I think Trent is a lot better even if he isn't going as far as you'd like him to.

On the other hand, System of a Down actually named an album "Steal This Album" so I think they win in the "encouraging piracy of their own products" dept.

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (3, Informative)

RingDev (879105) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643317)

Actually, until 2005 Trent was running Nothing, his own Label and Studio. And given his attitude to the industry (the record industry, not the musicians), and his past affinity for the internet and viral marketing, it would not be surprising to see him go to a fully independent internet only distribution system and start a new label once his contractual obligations to Interscope are done.

-Rick

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (4, Informative)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643323)

He's right though, CD prices are still too high. An extreme example is in Malaysia, a I looked at some CDs, and they costed 45 ringit, which is about $15. Normal price for an American. But if you consider that an average Malaysians make 3 times less than an American, then a 45 ringit CD to a Malaysian is like $45 to an American. Now, who the hell is going to pay $45 for a CD????

Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643329)

Wow.

You are one smart cookie.

haha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20642993)

haha

Yarr!! (1)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 6 years ago | (#20642999)

Trent Reznor - "Do What You Want Because A Pirate Is Free ..."

Can't wait until Nine Inch Nails covers that...

Re:Yarr!! (1)

Panaflex (13191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643543)

You know it's full of precious booty!

Concert, not interview! (4, Informative)

babbling (952366) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643005)

This was during a concert, not an interview. A YouTube clip of him talking about it. [youtube.com]

Re:Concert, not interview! (4, Interesting)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643119)

Thats the exact quote referenced and includes the full reaction from the crowd.
My only question is did the concert tickets also get cheaper since his last visit?
Would he recommend people break into the stadium?

Re:Concert, not interview! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643205)

>Would he recommend people break into the stadium?

You're conflating violent crimes with civil infractions again.

Re:Concert, not interview! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643351)

So if they sneak into the stadium without damaging anything, it's okay, right?

Re:Concert, not interview! (1)

pjsab0 (1139213) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643163)

Reznor originally made comments about the high price of Year Zero in Australia during an interview several months ago. It was during a concert (the clip you linked to) that he followed up with fans to see if the price had come down at all.

Going indie (5, Interesting)

Goose42 (88624) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643027)

IIRC, his contract is going to be up soon anyways, and if this is how he feels his company is treating him I doubt he'll sign a new one. With the innovative storytelling he's done with Year Zero, and essentially making open-source music by releasing the original recording data so that anyone can remix it, it'll be interesting to see how he goes about releasing new music without a large distribution network that the major label gives him.

Re:Going indie (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643091)

what music company would touch this guy with a barge pole now anyway? I sure wouldn't

Re:Going indie (1)

orclevegam (940336) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643263)

what music company would touch this guy with a barge pole now anyway? I sure wouldn't

Based on his comments and actions now and in the past, I'm sure he's really broken up about that.

NIN is in a very good position right now. They're well known, they have a following, and honestly they do really good work. Will his circulation go down a bit if they aren't on a major label? Probably. Will they care? Not really. They'll still be making music and distributing it, but it will be on their terms.

Re:Going indie (2, Insightful)

gurps_npc (621217) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643115)

Well, he could use CD Baby or one of the THOUSAND other ways sell your own music over the internet. They would charge about 1% of the fee a standard label charges.

Then he would have to pay an advertising agency directly to market his stuff. I doubt they would charge more than 5% of what a standard label would charge for a successful album, but he would be taking the risk that the album did not make any money.

It's Trent Reznor. He doesn't need marketing. (2)

khasim (1285) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643303)

He's already hit the top of his career. His fans will find him even if he never pays another dollar in marketing.

In fact, his hard-core fans will probably be happier with him if he never pays another dollar in marketing. :)

The problem is that the industry is structured to cash in on people like Trent who make millions.

Then there are the one-hit-wonders. Use them up and spit them out.

Then there are the hordes looking for a chance to make it big. They can give away their stuff until they're signed. Then the labels own them.

Re:Going indie (2, Interesting)

Major Blud (789630) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643131)

Actually, he went through something similar with Pretty Hate Machine. He was involved in a contract dispute and eventual lawsuit with TVT Records that left them in control of the album and him jumping ship to another label.

Re:Going indie (1)

babbling (952366) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643137)

I read somewhere (can't recall where) that he is planning on going independent and distributing music via the NIN website once his contract finishes, which is after his next album.

Re:Going indie (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643237)

>that he is planning on going independent and distributing music via the NIN website once his contract finishes

Maybe he's trying to accelerate that, by provoking his agents and assigns to unilaterally go into breach.... It would be a much
wiser course of action than, say, what the band Boston did. Make the label ditch him, and he gets press out of it, and gets out of the contract.

Re:Going indie (1)

Vexor (947598) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643139)

Lot's of bands form their own labels. Look at Powerman 5000. They've gone solo (formed their own label) and you can find their CDs in any store. Just because a band doesn't sign with a label doesn't mean they can't get their music distributed. Worst case they'll host a website and release it via bittorrent.

Re:Going indie (1)

Robert1 (513674) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643151)

You wouldn't happen to have a link to that released-for-remix recording would you?

Re:Going indie (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643375)

At his Year Zero site: http://yearzero.nin.com/ [nin.com]

At the bottom of the page, under "Multitrack Audio Files"

Garage Band style on the left or Raw WAV's on the right.

Re:Going indie (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643177)

My guess is that having his cake and eating it too is a lot more attractive than giving up major label money and moving into the apartment next door to Jonathan Coulton's. But we'll see...

Re:Going indie (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643373)

I'm pretty sure he doesn't make the bulk of his money from the label. Pretty much everything I've ever read indicates the money comes from touring and merchandise. That to expect little from the label except as a means to get the record places people will buy it and advertising. Money, if you don't end up in debt to them doesn't amount to much by comparison but having a record in the store is hugely important to getting people to your shows.

Re:Going indie (5, Informative)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643221)

If you've followed his career at all, you'd know his current record contract exists only because he had no other choice.

He was using his own label -- Nothing Records -- to publish his music. He never liked working with the big labels. However, while he was going through some pretty destructive drug use after The Fragile, his partner essentially took the money from Nothing Records and ran. Trent woke up and found himself with no money and no way to make money.

He signed a multi-album deal to get him enough money to be independent again, but he has become increasingly disgusted by the practices of the label (double dipping by charging Trent to do the color shifting ink label and then still charing the customer more, etc.). IIRC, he's got one album left and then he's free. I'd expect it to be released sometime in 2008 or early 2009, depending on how profitable his tour is. He wants out ASAP.

Re:Going indie (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643469)

What I don't understand is why he published with a major label at all. He already had his own record label, Nothing Records. What drove him to go back to a major label when he's had problems with them ever since he was on TVT in the Pretty Hate Machine days?

Re:Going indie (3, Funny)

tholomyes (610627) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643509)

If only there were some sort of large... electronic distribution network he could use... and if he could take those sounds and somehow send them over this network...

It's called P2P (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643515)

He can distribute as much as he wants, as often as he wants, and people by the millions will help him do it. It's called P2P. LimeWire, BitTorrent, and even Kazaa. And nobody can legally interfere, because if they have his permission, it isn't stealing.

(By the way, it should be pointed out that is NOT "stealing" anyway! Copying copyrighted music is legally a completely different animal. If you call it "stealing" when it is not, then you have already bought into the bastards' propaganda. Yes, there IS a big difference, legally and ethically, between copyright infringement and stealing.)

Darl McBride said: "Don't steal my software" (1)

The_Abortionist (930834) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643031)

Yet IBM did and put it in Linux, and then got away scot free... But as with OJ, karma will catch up to them eventually.

Why is stealing so popular on Slashdot? Software, music, granny purses, etc...

Re:Darl McBride said: "Don't steal my software" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643159)

Yeah, you stole that same bullshit speech from the RIAA

Re:Darl McBride said: "Don't steal my software" (1)

BUL2294 (1081735) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643445)

Yet IBM did and put it in Linux, and then got away scot free...
Yet Microsoft stole the Windows UI from Apple, and then got away scot free...

Had to do it... (0, Redundant)

psychicsword (1036852) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643049)

In Soviet Russia you don't steal music, music steals you.

You're a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643567)

Seriously. Stop with the stupid "In Soviet Russia " crap.

It's not fucking funny anymore, never was that funny, and proves you're just a fucking retard.

And then (-1, Offtopic)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643069)

Steal more Ferraris... Have you seen the price of those motherfreakeres? I mean, a Ferrari is a HUMAN RIGHT as is music on CDs... is n't it?

Re:And then (3, Insightful)

cortesoft (1150075) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643201)

If you can steal a Ferrari in such a way that the original owner still has his Ferrari and suffers no loss from your theft, then more power to ya.

Re:And then (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643437)

If you can steal a Ferrari in such a way that the original owner still has his Ferrari and suffers no loss from your theft, then more power to ya.
And less power to the guy who designs Ferraris for a living.

Re:And then (3, Insightful)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643467)

If you can steal a Ferrari in such a way that the original owner still has his Ferrari and suffers no loss from your theft, then more power to ya.

This is one of the standard /. argument why copying music/video/software is not theft. (I realize you are not making the argument here) I think it is wrong - even if you could magically replicate a Ferrari - the creator of the original has not been compensated for his work in creating it - and so suffers a loss. That to me is theft. As a side note, the ability to create unlimited perfect copies reduces the value of the original paid for Ferrari - so that person has suffered a loss in resale value - which

Now, you can argue that person does not deserve to be compensated for copies produced by others and so the law should be changed; but that is a different position than "anything I can take without cost to the owner is not theft and should be legal."

that position, of course, means the GPL cannot exist - because you can take the code without cost from the original owner and should be able to do whatever you want with it regardless of the creator's wishes. To use the corollary to the "It's not theft argument" - "I would not have bought it anyway so they aren't really losing money" - if a company would not use GPL code unless the code modify it without redistributing the source when the distribute the resulting code they would not make nay changes so your not losing any enhancements since they would not do them if they had to comply with the GPL.

Do I think copyright law is out of date and needs correction? Yes, but silly not theft arguments detract from the real issue.

Re:And then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643487)

It never gets tiresome seeing copyright proponents making material physical theft comparisons utterly pwned. If material property could be copied, world hunger and every scarcity would be instantly solved.

Re:And then (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643277)

If you can fucking download one - then knock yourself out asshole.

Hmm, it would appear that (4, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643071)

Nothing can stop him now.

Re:Hmm, it would appear that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643145)

> Nothing can stop him now.

(Used to use Ruiner as background music for DOOM I)

But will we bite the hand that feeds us?

that's just because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643361)

he doesn't care anymore.

Re:that's just because (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643485)

Well, nothing's turning out the way he planned, you Pig!

If he hasn't signed away all of his rights... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643081)

... I wonder if this statement makes their music essentially public domain?

Personally, I'd be surprised if UMG (and every other *IAA member) doesn't take away or severely limit every one of their signed artists' rights to control, or even have a say in, the means and methods of distribution for their works for this very reason...

-AC

Re: Can we get a "Page NY-Country Lawyer" button? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643281)

Right down his alley.

If he meant this, he'd be busy paying his penalty to break contract. Otherwise it would just lure people into the RIAA clutches. "Trent told me to download it" can't hold up forever if the contractual locks are still in place.

Re:If he hasn't signed away all of his rights... (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643295)

They do have to strike a balance, because there *is* a breaking point where artist will *stop* signing to their label, and where they give competitors an improved bargaining position... In aggregate, the RIAA and their ilk are a pretty formidable looking entity, but individually, A&R agents really do have to compete, and the margin balance is pretty delicate.

mother what? (3, Funny)

nih (411096) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643105)

motherbuckers?

Re:mother what? (4, Funny)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643279)

no no no thats the Walmart version.

Not Steal.. Infringe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643123)

"..Has anyone seen the price come down? Okay, well, you know what that means -- INFRINGE IT. Infringe away. Infringe and infringe and infringe some more and give it to all your friends and keep on infringin'. Because one way or another these mother****ers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that's not right.'"

Fixed

Re:Not Steal.. Infringe (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643501)

How about just 'copy'.

Promoter vs Artist (5, Insightful)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643195)

Back to the same old B.S. that has caused turmoil in Hollywood since I can remember.

Artist makes contract with "BigCo", and "BigCo" agrees to a % of the "sales" as they define them, and then "BigCo" sets the price of the movie, book, or music where they want to get their profits they want. That was the way of the 20th Century.

In the 19th Century, artists of all types made money on direct sales, direct live acts and there was little other than a shop that might sell works for a % of the sale.

Now I wonder if the 21st Century Artist is not moving back to the 19th Century methods, where the artist controls things more, since it is the Artist inspiring the viewers, listeners, readers of his work that counts for quality artistic expression. If Artists have something hot, that your subset of the human race likes, the Internet allows those mutual groups to find each other in lots of ways.

I think the Internet is leveling the playing field, and artists are likely to see a resurgence of interest...provided they have quality work.

Someone call the folks at "Intervention" (4, Insightful)

Critical Facilities (850111) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643209)

I love Trent and think he's a very talented musician, but I'm wondering if someone's back on heroin again. I agree that the music industry is ripping off the artists and the listeners, but when you sign a contract, you agree to many things and it's doubtful that the company with which the agreement was made is going to look fondly on any attempt to decrease what they were promised (i.e. profits).

Face it Trent, you've still gotta make a few records for them. Do what Prince did, paint 'slave' on your face and release a few "best of NIN" albums and then do whatever you want on your own label or just sell your stuff online, we'll buy it.

Re:Someone call the folks at "Intervention" (2, Informative)

thegnu (557446) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643447)

Face it Trent, you've still gotta make a few records for them. Do what Prince did, paint 'slave' on your face and release a few "best of NIN" albums and then do whatever you want on your own label or just sell your stuff online, we'll buy it.

I think he's working on it. Should everyone just do what Prince did? It seems like that would be unoriginal. And the issue is that he criticized the high prices of CDs, and got attacked for it, so he presents an alternate solution.

Garth Brooks, with the commercial clout he had, had the decency to refuse to do business with people who sold his CDs for more than 12 bucks.

Reznor is not in a position to do that until his contract is up (great idea about the shitty best of CDs btw), and he's fighting fire with fire. I think his main point is that he wouldn't buy his OWN music at the prices they sell it for, so why should his fans? Especially loyal, dedicated fans who have supported him for years?

"Steal This Book" (2, Funny)

Tungbo (183321) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643211)

Guess publishers were smarter 2 scores ago.

Support your artists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643215)

Steal! Steal! Steal!

Trent is to the RIAA... (2, Funny)

Starteck81 (917280) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643217)

...what the Anti-Christ is to the Catholics. :-P

Rock on Trent, rock on.

OH NO (1)

ynososiduts (1064782) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643283)

Not another reason for NIN fans to grow even more angsty. That's the last thing we need. He did it for the press.

Trent quite isn't a conformist type (5, Interesting)

the_olo (160789) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643289)

And is not afraid to go against the labels' will, e.g. see the history behind an eastern egg [eeggs.com] on the "Broken" album:

They(tvt)wanted a more commercial album and insisted on producers doing his next album. When Trent refused, they told him his album would never get made nor released and denied studio time. The entire Broken album in turn was recorded and written almost entirely while on tour for Pretty Hate Machine. Trent even talks about how they would mix it in hotel rooms,on computers, and hide the names of the song and material with saved names like "pussyfuck".

It might just work... (2, Interesting)

DogDude (805747) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643333)

It might just work... I'm a rabid Pearl Jam fan, largely because they allow their amateur-taped concert recordings to be given away between fans. I've heard a LOT of good Pearl Jam shows, and in turn, I have bought many CD's because I've heard so many, mostly shitty, recordings of their shows, and I want to have some really good, clear recordings of their shows.

Regardless, music distribution companies simply add no value any more. When a company doesn't add any kind of value, they die. It happened with buggy whips, vacuum-tube manufacturers, and countless other industries. Right now, we can also see the slow death of Realtors because most, if not all, real estate information can be found easily for free. That's life. Adapt or die.

Broken Logic (2, Insightful)

vodevil (856500) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643341)

While I agree with Trent that the music companies are totally screwing the people who want to buy the music, stealing it will only cause the music labels to want to up the price of the cds to recover what was "stolen" by people downloading and sharing the music. More power to him, but I fail to see how this is going to make those motherfuckers see the light.

What hypocrisy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20643359)

In this age of the global free network there's no reason for artists to include any middlemen, only to bash them for whatever draconian policies they have...

And customers whine too. Please stop. And start voting with the greenbacks. That's the only language the corporations understand. MAFIAA is your child. You pay their wages.

Right on. (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643387)

When he's free of the shackles of his label I think I'll buy even more of his music. He knows music enriches lives not just the wallets of corporations.

Maybe I'm missing something here.... (3, Funny)

mark-t (151149) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643403)

But doesn't stealing something require taking it *WITHOUT* permission?

Re:Maybe I'm missing something here.... (1)

onetwentyone (882404) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643483)

You are absolutely right and, if you've been following the all the cases the RIAA has been bringing before judges, you'll see that even if Trent gives the public permission, he doesn't have the authority to do so. Said permission could ONLY come from the record label and we all know they won't be doing that any time soon.

Records aren't where the money is for him... (1)

igorthefiend (831721) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643411)

It's quite easy for Trent to say this - because if he never saw another penny through record sales, it wouldn't hurt him - he's making his money touring and his money from selling merch. Increasingly, that's where the money is for the artist. And as long as folk are turning up at the shows, the sales of the record don't matter so much, because often they're not where the artist's payday is, that's on the road.

That is not right (2, Insightful)

moore.dustin (942289) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643459)

While I agree with him on this, it is wrong to tell people to steal when you are a role model like he is. I suppose he justified stealing his music by explaining the situation with prices and record labels, but that does not make it right. What next, the CEO from Dell gets leaves and tells everyone that the computers they are buying are way overpriced and that people should try to steal them instead of paying that price? That is a slippery slope obviously. Instead, he should instruct people not to buy it at the price it is and let the people, themselves, figure out how they want to go about not paying for it.

The correct thing it do here is vote with your dollar - do not pay the prices if they upset you. That said, stealing the goods instead of paying for them is not voting with your dollar, it is stealing. See how that works?

This may change litigation tactics of the RIAA (1)

abb3w (696381) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643477)

Now, they may start suing the artists, for encouraging copyright infringement; then they'll have neither customers nor artists producing music. Countdown to complete industry implosion continues....

Hmmm... I wonder... (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643479)

if he can make a song out of my manifesto O:)

It really doen't matter (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 6 years ago | (#20643489)

what you think of Trent or this latest bit of backlash on his part. The important thing is that artists now have someone to rally behind without being the 'frontman' as it were. Similar to how iPod and Apple were the first, other's followed. I hope that Trent is able to parlay this into a continuing and successful career move, and that others follow.

He, among other things, is right about the RIAA and their members.
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