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GNOME 2.20 Released

samzenpus posted more than 6 years ago | from the new-version dept.

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Gimli writes "GNOME 2.20 has been officially released. There are a number of enhancements and improvements to things such as power management, Evince (the GNOME document view), Totem (the video player), and note-taking application Tomboy. There are also some changes to GNOME's configuration utilities with an eye towards streamlining them. The timing is impeccable, too: 'This release coincides with the tenth anniversary of GNOME's existence. The project has evolved considerably since its earliest incarnation and has become a global phenomenon. Used as the default environment in popular Linux distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora, GNOME is widely used by Linux desktop users and is supported by a growing community of companies and independent developers. GNOME 2.20 will be included in the next major releases of many mainstream Linux distributions, including Ubuntu 7.10, which is scheduled for release next month. Users who wish to try it now can use the latest Ubuntu 7.10 live CD images, or the latest build of Foresight Linux. You can also check out the release notes."

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Woo (-1, Troll)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674555)

frist ps0t?? natalie pr0tman with hot gnomes etc etc etc? No really, I love GNOME, and Ubuntu, and I'm really going to love GNOME 2.20 in next month's Ubuntu!

Arr! (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674641)

frist ps0t?? natalie pr0tman with hot gnomes etc etc etc? No really, I love GNOME, and Ubuntu, and I'm really going to love GNOME 2.20 in next month's Ubuntu!

It be an enhanced GNOME. Didn't ye get the email?

Enahnce your GNOME, stay up longer, get better performance from your GNOME, have great timing and more control over your power! contact XXXXX@yahoo.co.uk.

scupper me, all we were t'were pirates!

Re:Arr! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674859)

The mods see to have lost their sense of humour, has anyone seen it?

Funny by the way.

SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674573)

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674829)

8====D

Why the long face? Or am I missing something? :--D

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675527)

It's the Celine Dion emoticon.

Re:SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675597)

Let's just say it's definitely horse related.

Minor Changes (0)

paullb (904941) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674579)

Doesn't even seem worth an upgrade from 2.18.

Re:Minor Changes (2, Insightful)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675155)

"Doesn't even seem worth an upgrade from 2.18" ... for me.

Sorry you forgot that part; no hard feelings.

I have to ask... (5, Funny)

Chlorus (1146335) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674591)

Since this is a new GNOME release, what configuration option did they cut out now?

Re:I have to ask... (4, Funny)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674741)

The one that is confusing the users and that you can never remember how to find after you messed it up. Yeah...I'm pretty sure, that's the feature...

Re:I have to ask... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674867)

You mean like a good file selector?
No it wasnt cut out, they never did it.

Re:I have to ask... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674749)

"For GNOME 2.20, the control panels have been reorganized slightly to reduce the number of control panels, making it easier to find what you need."

From the release notes page for 2.20. On can only assume this means they've gutted the whole thing and you now have the option to choose between 2 lovely colorschemes, everything else has been set at the factory.

Re:I have to ask... (5, Informative)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675129)

From the version currently in Gutsy, they basically threw all the appearance-related apps into one mega-app. I haven't noticed any missing functionality (in fact, the fonts and toolbar applets are unchanged), though I would appreciate if Ubuntu came up with a more useful "simple" Compiz app (it's currently "off", "on", "insane")

Dons the asbestos suit.... (-1, Flamebait)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674599)

Is it as good as KDE yet?

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (1)

bobdickgus (938017) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674671)

In my opinion no, but i am more used to kde so really it's all just personal preference.

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674949)

Oh, I was "used to" Gnome for years, until one day I tried KDE, so I would say it just comes down to which one is better ;)

But knowing the Gnome philosophy, I find it hard to believe it would be much different from the previous version, at least not in the "good way" KDE users want.

And for the record, I've never found the many options of KDE distracting or hard to configure. But then again, I _want_ the options.

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (2, Insightful)

Zonk (troll) (1026140) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675021)

IMHO, it surpassed it with 2.14. At least that's when I switched from KDE (after using it since '99 and was very anti-Gnome). At this point I don't want to go back to KDE. Gnome makes so much more sense as everything is organized more logically, the button/control overload is gone, the dialogs are great (ie, the file dialog, I love having my network and usb drives listed by name on the side instead of having to click on media or browse down to /media). That and Clearlooks is beautiful and looks so much nicer than any theme I've been able to find for KDE (don't say Klearlook, those buttons are freakishly large, select boxes are tiny, and everything else is way out of proportion, polyester (with tweaking) is the only one that doesn't make my eyes hurt).

Now if only Gnome had a browser that's not Mozilla-based [sourceforge.net] (Epiphany counts as Mozilla based) and actually follows the desktop settings and looks and feels native...

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (1)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675781)

Serious question here, since you love the file dialog so much...

How can you get a gnome file dialog to show the file created date *and* time?

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (0, Troll)

FoolsGold (1139759) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675093)

Is it as good as KDE yet?
What, in terms of how often KDE crashes? Nope, GNOME hasn't reached that level yet, which is why I use GNOME for stability and KDE for looks. :)

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (2, Insightful)

FoolsGold (1139759) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675695)

Wow. I get moded troll for an opinion that's commonly displayed in the Ubuntu forums. It's well known KDE crashes far more than GNOME, people have expressed this as such. What fucked up community are you a part of who can't take a little criticism?

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675195)

See for yourself.

The question should more be like; have I turned into a Gnome user?

I always try to love KDE when I hear something about it from Linus; but it's just not for me.

For the user perspective Gnome *could* be a godsent compared to KDE so from that view I have to say it surpassed KDE in some points for some users.

Re:Dons the asbestos suit.... (1)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675423)

See for yourself.

And get rid of the Aqua on my Mac? Heathen!

Power Management? (4, Interesting)

JohnstonDJ (861127) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674611)

Gnome 2.20 has better power management? I never thought that was the job of the desktop environment. I thought it was just to supply some form of UI for the user. I understand that GNOME would have to give some details, to either the kernel, or some module about user activity, and the like but wouldn't think the the desktop environment just dealt with power management itself. Can someone clue me into how this works?

Re:Power Management? (5, Informative)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674647)

All previous GNOME releases had a problem where the volume control would wake up every 100ms to poll the mixer settings, which prevented the CPU from entering and maintaining deep sleep states. The new volume control does not do that, which may be good for a few watts at the outlet. Other applications have undergone a similar treatment.

Re:Power Management? (4, Informative)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674707)

As you said, the job of the desktop environment is to


Supply some form of UI for the user. I understand that GNOME would have to give some details, to either the kernel, or some module about user activity,


and that's exactly what it does. It lets the user control the power management features better. There is a nice power history graph too...

Re:Power Management? (1)

aerthling (796790) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674791)

I know. GNOME is power hungry. It wants to be in charge (at least, it does on Ubuntu). Network settings, power settings, and now it wants your graphics hardware settings too. This is good in that it's grandma-friendly, but it's also kinda frustrating having to wrest control of my hardware away from the GUI.

Re:Power Management? (5, Informative)

orra (1039354) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674803)

As I understand it, GNOME Power Manger runs a DBUS service. This can be used by clients to inhibit sleep. This is very useful; it means when you're watching a movie in Totem the screensaver won't cut it in, and nor will your monitor turn off, merely because you haven't touched the mouse during the last 5 minutes of intensive movie watching. So I'd say there are good reasons for your desktop environment controlling power management.

Re:Power Management? (1)

JohnstonDJ (861127) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674847)

But that's should just be Gnome telling the kernel to temporarily turn off power management well a certain application is doing a certain task wouldn't it. Reading through the comments, that's how I've picked up it works, (and how I assumed), is GNOME talks to the kernel, to tell it when to use and when not to use power management. But it isn't controlled by GNOME, GNOME just gives the kernel some parameters to use power management by.

Re:Power Management? (1, Troll)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674915)

So Gnome lets the user manage how the power related features work? Sounds like power management to me.

I know what you mean and I know the statement could be said to mean either, but if we are talking about a DE I would always assume that we are talking about a power management *interface* rather than anything that is taking direct control of the hardware.

I didn't RTFA, nor do I use Gnome so I could be wrong...

Re:Power Management? (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675217)

If you have parts of the DE ask resources from time to time - "Did alsa change volumes? Did alsa change volumes? Did alsa change volumes?" - then it has to do with that.

The sound volume management is part of the DE, right?

power management? (1, Interesting)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674653)

other than an interface for configuration, what does gnome have to do with linux power management?

Re:power management? (1)

nategoose (1004564) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674981)

I'd guess that it has probably been made smart about not doing unnecessary things while in a power saving mode. Things like animations or notifications when trying to save power. Things that would require the cpu to wake up.

Re:power management? (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675023)

Provide policy as determined by the user's preferences (e.g., sleep after 10 minutes of inactivity).

Re:power management? (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675153)

Gnome makes sure the apps aren't squandering resources and making the computer work more than it has to, sucking less power.

Re:power management? (5, Informative)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675259)

You try to sleep and then ...

Gnome mixer asks: "Did alsa change volumes? Did alsa change volumes? Did alsa change volumes?"

It would distrub me; as it would disturb your laptop.

Like somebody sleeping next to you repetitively asking: "Are you already asleep?".

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=302979&cid=20675217 [slashdot.org]

In related news (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674657)

A worldwide shortage of underpants has begun.
While Miguel de Icaza wasn't very specific about the improvements in the new version, Novell stockholders are anticipating record profits.

Oh, great (5, Funny)

MT628496 (959515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674693)

I just finished compiling 2.18

Re:Oh, great (1)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674999)

Gentoo or LFS user?

Re:Oh, great (2, Insightful)

MT628496 (959515) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675853)

Gentoo. Considering it seems to take about 6 months before things move from ~x86 into x86, I'm only exaggerating by a few months.

Re:Oh, great (1)

cortana (588495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675083)

It took you six months? :)

Re:Oh, great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675233)

Well, it's time to compile all the other 500 upgraded components waiting for you in portage by now anyway, so you probably won't notice the extra time the new Gnome adds to that.

Re:Oh, great (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675291)

Aren't you glad you can use 2.18 while compiling this version for the next six months?

tomboy (4, Interesting)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674713)

improvements [...] note-taking application Tomboy.
I hope these improvements mean Tomboy has been taken out. Right, please?

Including a minor tool for a trivial task which takes as much memory as the rest of core Gnome together is something I can't really understand. It's the only part of Gnome proper which uses mono -- so why do they bother shipping it?

Of course, asking whether major annoyances like new windows opening on whatever workspace you're currently on instead of the one they were started have been fixed is kind of pointless...

Re:tomboy (5, Insightful)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674765)

I think you answered your own question. They insist on shipping Tomboy so they can have a reason to ship mono. Without Tomboy, and without Beagle, the search tool thousands of times more idiotic than Tracker, there would be no reason for anybody to install mono.

Mono isn't part of GNOME (4, Informative)

DreadSpoon (653424) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675159)

Most of the core GNOME developers were (and many still are) against Mono. So I call bullshit on your assertion. Also, just to clarify a bit, Tomboy is not a required component of GNOME, nor does GNOME in any depend upon Mono. It's an officially sanctioned add-on application, which essentially means nothing more than "we host the source and Tomboy follows our release schedule."

Re:Mono isn't part of GNOME (1)

gwait (179005) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675403)

Seriously? That is good news - I had assumed the two were integrated like.. IE in Windows XP..

I really did not want to get tangled up in Mono, so I have been avoiding Gnome (chosing KUbuntu over Ubuntu) to specifically avoid Mono.

Why no Mono? I don't need no stinkin middleware, I just want a clean gui on top of linux.
I also don't want to rely on anything that Microsoft can decide to destroy with IP lawsuits one day..(yes, they would. Mono is a trap).

Why not stay with KDE? Gnome looks cleaner to me, and seems to have more critical mass, thus I assume better support than KDE etc.

So as long as I can install Gnome and uncheck the Mono box, I'd be happy. Is this going to change in the future? Do the mono proponents have enough clout to
cause Mono to become an integral part of Gnome in the future?

Re:Mono isn't part of GNOME (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675613)

Ubuntu has more user/support than kubuntu, but KDE has tons of development and users (though maybe behind in default install distros). Both projects have more than enough momentum to continue. Read the Gentoo forums if you want any sort of help with KDE (for lower level OS stuff you're likely better off with ubuntu forums (despite the many, many,many clueless questions and suggestions to be found )).

Re:tomboy (2, Informative)

OmegaBlac (752432) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675255)

I hope these improvements mean Tomboy has been taken out. Right, please?
You could always remove it yourself. It is just an applet that can be removed/added easily to the toolbar.

Re:tomboy (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675371)

I wanted to have a smart-ass reply on your message about you not being obligated to have it in your panel and that other software also depends on mono.

Then I though; you are partly right; why use mono for a note-taking application?

It's for many users much like notepad on java.

In your case I would look for an alternative note-taking-thingy for GTK if you need one.

The same for me; I don't use beagle because I don't like it archiving my personal files (and popping them up for arbitrary searches by others) on seemingly arbitrary moments of the day.

Re:tomboy (1)

jhol13 (1087781) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675809)

IMNHSO the moments are not arbitrary: archiving seem to happen exactly when I am short of memory and unzipping a huge zip or opening a big document.

Seeing the system crawl to an halt while something is "archiving" .iso's and tar.gz's ... I'd rather watch the paint dry [mirimgs.com] .

Re:tomboy (1)

Whitemice (139408) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675775)

> Including a minor tool for a trivial task which takes as much memory as the
> rest of core Gnome together is something I can't really understand

Either your installation is completely hosed or you don't understand UNIX memory semantics. Because I've got Tomboy running all the time, and I've never seen Resident - Shared exceed 10Mb. For a modern X application that isn't much.

SNIFF IN HELL, FOOT FAGS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674717)

Seriously who wants to use an operating system that uses a smelly foot for its logo?

Plus GTK sucks.

Re:SNIFF IN HELL, FOOT FAGS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675091)

The same people that want to run "free" code the requires MS patent protection.

Re:SNIFF IN HELL, FOOT FAGS (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675395)

"... operating system that uses a smelly foot ..."

At minus 40 celcius you don't smell the feet of a penguin.

Totem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674723)

Does anyone actually use totem? I have an vanilla ubuntu box and totem won't play any good video formats. It baffling that they would not include mplayer or vlc, the gold standards of video playing.

Re:Totem (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675417)

First: Ask your distro's maintainers.
Second: I agree; VLC and mplayer rock.

Re:Totem (2, Informative)

miscz (888242) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675553)

Install Xine backend for Totem, it becomes quite usable media player. It still lacks external subtitles support though.

Re:Totem (0)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675643)

When you try to play a video Totem can't handle, it should try to install the codec. Of course, you would know this if you read the linked release notes, but I know that's too much to ask of an AC that won't even bother to log in.

Will Linus like it (1)

boguslinks (1117203) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674739)

Is this finally the version that will catch Linus's fancy? [eweek.com]

Re:Will Linus like it (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675503)

Let Linus worry about stacking your memory and suppressing your nice threads.

Worry as much about his favourite DE as much as you worry about his favourite wine.

Trouble with tribbins (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675811)

"Worry as much about his favourite DE as much as you worry about his favourite wine."
Everyone knows Linus' favourite wine [winehq.com] is no wine at all! Linus has incredible taste. He also has a pretty big clue stick, and will hit you with it if you let him. If you had said it is safe to ignore his taste in art, then I could agree, but you ignore Linus' advice on all matters technical at great peril. I know this is true, because he almost invariably comes to the same conclusions I have come to independantly :-)

Feisty (3, Informative)

Creamsickle (792801) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674781)

Packages are already in ubuntu feisty.

just do an apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade :-)

Re:Feisty (4, Informative)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674869)

I'm sure you mean Gutsy. I just updated my Feisty machine and there's nothing new, and I wouldn't expect a new major GNOME release in an existing Ubuntu distribution.

Lameness (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674793)

Did they stop trying to use the bastardized C pseudo OO language they invented yet?

Personally, trying to shove a square peg into a round role isn't something I am keen to do.

Read about the abomination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GObject [wikipedia.org]

Re:Lameness (3, Insightful)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675193)

I'm a hardcore Gnome user (it's prettier, more "solid", and I like how simple they make configuration, even though I've been a programmer, sysadmin, have used Linux exclusively for about 5 years and am by all accounts a "power-user") but man it bugs me that they chose to use C and then load the language up with 500 different code generators and other shit shoehorned in so that it's hardly recognizable as C anymore. If you're going to do it in C, just give a nice clean API and screw all that Glade, Pango, Orbit, yadda yadda yadda shit. Or, even better, use C++!

I'll never understand the OSS community's C++ phobia. Of course, most of the C++ that comes out of the OSS community makes me want to take up trepanning, so maybe that's not such a bad thing...

Re:Lameness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675411)

then load the language up with 500 different code generators and other shit

Sounded for a minute like you were talking about the million fucking java frameworks that are out there now.

Re:Lameness (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675719)

Don't even get me started on Java.

Re:Lameness (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675437)

"I'm a hardcore Gnome user"

Oh, so you're not a programmer.

"...they chose to use C and then load the language up with 500 different code generators and other shit shoehorned in so that it's hardly recognizable as C anymore."

It's still very recognizable as C. GObject might not be ideal, but it works, and it's not required that you use it; you can write perfectly functional applications on top of Glib without touching GObject. Of course, GObject is more powerful than straight C and arguably more powerful than most other object oriented languages (though admittedly, violates many of the principals of OO languages, for example Encapsulation is entirely broken in GObject).

"If you're going to do it in C, just give a nice clean API and screw all that Glade, Pango, Orbit, yadda yadda yadda shit. Or, even better, use C++!"

Glade isn't necessary anymore; GtkBuilder replaces Glade from a programmer's POV, Glade the UI designer tool just outputs an XML file that you can read in your App and generate a perfectly functional UI, which to me is just plain elegance. No more having to programatically design and update UIs. Pango is not a code generator either, it's a Font Layout system that supports complex font layouts. Orbit is a deprecated piece of hold-over bullshit the GNOME people haven't gotten around to officially deprecate yet, and shouldn't be used with new code (use D-Bus instead).

"I'll never understand the OSS community's C++ phobia. Of course, most of the C++ that comes out of the OSS community makes me want to take up trepanning, so maybe that's not such a bad thing..."

Which is exactly why the OSS community is C++-phobic. Not only is most community-generated C++ terrible, it's very hard to make build across all of the dozens of "standard library" implementations. GLib was invented and written in C to give the OSS community a truly standard library that they could control across platforms, and because GLib is written in C, most follow suit and write their applications in C. Of course, the environment has changed quite a bit and most platforms have a more-than-acceptable C++ STL implementation, so if we ever wanted to drop every single piece of code we've written to date and rewrite everything from the ground up in C++... yeah, you can see why we're all against it.

Re:Lameness (4, Interesting)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675699)

See, that's why I put the parenthetical in there, I am a programmer, but I'd prefer 2 features that both work right to 1,000 that half work. To me, the latter is morally equivalent to lying. Although Gnome absolutely has its share of problems, it's well ahead of KDE as far as actually working. I keep an updated KDE installed on my desktop and check it out at least every 6 months--mostly because Gnome isn't good enough either, but it's the best I can find. The thing is, I jump into KDE, and within a half hour I've found four things that don't work, cause crashes, silently fail, or just suck (by just suck I mean unresponsiveness, the crappy menu transparency and shadows that are off by a couple pixels that's completely different from the crappy window transparency, which isn't even consistent in itself!).

As for the list of junk I rattled off for Gnome, yeah, you got me, that's just what I remember from when I was going to help out with the project a few years ago. After realizing that I'd have to learn 40 different, sometimes incompatible, often redundant frameworks, I decided my time would be better spent elsewhere. And yeah, I do have something that will be coming out Real Soon Now (had to take a break from programming due to tendinitis in the wrist that's still bothering me to this day) but the point is, Gnome looks like it does not because all that crap actually helps out, but because 50 different people had a Great Idea.

No, wait, there is no point. Oh! Here's one: A project as big as a desktop environment that needs to be extremely consistent throughout, needs a Linus. It needs one guy to be the benevolent dictator, because right now it looks like anyone can get any old thing in there. Tomboy a C# app? wtf? It's not complicated, it's an applet, a couple borderless windows, and a simple WebDAV client, all of which I'd bet lots of money Gnome already has libraries for. It could be just as easily implemented in C, and a halfway experienced Gnome developer could implement it, with all of its current features, in probably a week or less. I'm halfway tempted to take a week of vacation and do it myself just to prove a point.

Unix Gnome (3, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674815)

Naturally the poster focuses on Linux, but in fact GNOME has become a standard desktop for many Unix vendors. The fact that it has done this says a lot about Open Source as a superior way to develop non-proprietary software. When GNOME became common in the Unix world, it mostly displaced CDE [opengroup.org] , a non-proprietary desktop that was developed the old-fashioned way: a bunch of companies got together and formed a committee that wrote a spec, that various people went out and implemented.

GNOME has many flaws, but it's far superior to CDE. IMHO, that's because CDE is a child of politics and bureaucracy, while GNOME grew up organically, with various developers exercising their intelligence, insight, and creativity in order to make it a better product.

Re:Unix Gnome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674939)

"that's because CDE is a child of politics and bureaucracy, while GNOME grew up organically,"

Har har har. I saw this and I _had_ to reply...

Gnome is the result of pure politics and "fighting the good fight" (on the beaches, in the streets, in the raised floor computer lab, and while mom yells downcellah "stop looking at that porn!")

The gnomeistas should thank the KDE team for spurring them on to writing a less functional desktop than Windows.

--
Anon E. Mouse

Re:Unix Gnome (2, Interesting)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675039)

...but in fact GNOME has become a standard desktop for many Unix vendors.

Sun. That's one. I'm unable to think of others to fill out the "many Unix vendors" you are referring to. Apple doesn't. The BSDs don't. SGI doesn't (didn't). I don't recall that HP does. Who am I missing?

Re:Unix Gnome (1)

uchian (454825) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675209)

Gnome was also a child of politics, if not bureaucracy, it grew out of the politics that initially surrounded the KDE project, when Qt was licensed in a way that was deemed to not be "Free Software". Gnomewas one of several ways in which the GNU foundation attempted to rectify the problem (the other was an attempt to write a GPL'd library compatable with the Qt api so that KDE did not need to depend on it. When Qt went GPL, the issue went away and the project became redundant and died)

Re:Unix Gnome (2, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675827)

I'm talking about how GNOME was created, you're talking about why. It may well be that the decision to start the GNOME project was political, but that doesn't mean the design process was political, as it usually is when a product is designed by a committee. Perhaps my choice of phrase ("child of politics") was poorly chosen, but I think it's pretty clear what I was talking about.

Re:Unix Gnome (1)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675563)

That unixes switched to Gnome made me think that CDE can't be all that bad. (if this sounds flamy; read again)

But I can't find CDE in the Debian repositories.

Is CDE worth a try on light linux systems nowadays?

Re:Unix Gnome (2, Informative)

vorpal22 (114901) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675701)

CDE (Common Desktop Environment) has never been open source. It is available for Linux from Xi Graphics [xig.com] , but you'll pay for it and in the end, it's more hassle than it's worth due to the fact that you need to use their "Accelerated X Server" to run it instead of your standard X.org installation.

There is a petition [marutan.net] to open source CDE that looks like it may be successful. I, for one, sincerely hope so; I know that CDE is well outdated, but I got used to using it on our school's Sun boxes during my grad studies, and I wouldn't mind at least having the option to run it at home.

Re:Unix Gnome (2, Informative)

vorpal22 (114901) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675717)

I take it back; it looks like Xi Graphics has stopped selling CDE, so as things stand, it is not available for Linux in any capacity.

got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS germs (-1, Troll)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674817)

All I had to do was look at the Tomboy site and see that it is based on MS C# and their DotNyet stuff. Therefore, it is not safe to touch Gnome 2.20 due to Microsoft infection and MS MIB knocking on your door. Let Novell announce this is all free of Microsoft's IP before touching it. KDE is the better choice in this regard. IMO.

http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy/ [gnome.org]

LoB

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (1, Insightful)

ADRA (37398) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674921)

I guess you should also steer away from every mainstream Linux OS since they're all including mono these days. In fact, you should start wearing your tinfoil hat as well too, because the aliens have patents on Mono technology as well!

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675137)

I guess you should also steer away from every mainstream Linux OS since they're all including mono these days.
Most Linux distributions do not install Mono by default.

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20674935)

It's not like Tomboy is some vital application you could never live without. It's a note taking application; it's basically Apple's "Stickies" in GNOME format. Don't install it and tell your OS vendor not to ship it (and to ship Tracker by default instead of Beagle).

And the Qt/KDE guys are working on Mono bindings as well: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Sep-18.html [tirania.org] So there goes that notion.

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (2, Insightful)

callinyouin (1138469) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675009)

If you're so afraid of some kind of "Microsoft infection" why don't you try reading the source?
http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/0.8/tomboy-0.8.0.tar.gz [gnome.org]

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675059)

Not that but the legal goo. Microsoft and Novell (is there a difference?) both would like to see all true GNU/Linux distros die.

GNU/shut GNU/the GNU/fuck GNU/up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675561)

GNU/RMS GNU/is GNU/a GNU/pedo

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (2, Insightful)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675681)

You must be joking right?

If you don't trust our car; check the engine and see for yourself!

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (2, Insightful)

cortana (588495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675045)

If you have evidence that any of Microsoft's copyrights or trademarks are being used without permission, please present it!

If you're worried about patents then you should fix your country's patent system, as it is likely that any software more trivial than "hello world" infringes on dozens of patents.

Re:got Mono - stay away or risk infection w/MS ger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675073)

And KDE was supposed to be the one based on evil technology. Seems like it's the other way round nowadays.

New Clearlooks (1)

duprasi (1159221) | more than 6 years ago | (#20674983)

What I am interested in is the new Clearlooks by Andrea Cimitan. It looks like he took the old Clearlooks, and combined it with a Tango feel (the modern standard for GNOME graphic design) and the Murrine glass-like appearance (his own personal pet project). It's... interesting. I like it, but it'll take some time for me to get accustomed to. At least with things like Tango icons, though, it's helping to forge an official, clean, recognizable GNOME appearance, whether you are one of those who like the design or not.

I hope I'm not being a Troll (1, Insightful)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675011)

I hope I'm not being a Troll when I say that this Gnome release will Dwarf all other releases. It is a Hobbit of mine to Drag-on puns like this until I have to run off to the bathroom to take a Wiz-ard.

Re:I hope I'm not being a Troll (2, Funny)

aerthling (796790) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675347)

Please, stop tolkien rubbish.

Re:I hope I'm not being a Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675577)

Seriously, if you don't stop it, you're gonna be sauruman.

ok, it's out (1)

fadilnet (1124231) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675117)

I, for one, am glad to see new stuff. I've not yet downloaded the new packages (still beta, if I've read correctly). Gnome + Metisse -> wow!

Gnome has shortcomings. It's a fact. There's no need to bash it. Use alternate utils to overcome those shortcomings. Say you're irked @ Nautilus, try PC-man for example. It's just a window manager. Just tweak it.

I'm not being a troll or anything but I believe in the rise of KDE4 and compiz fusion, gnome seems quite the window manager for P3/K6 (for e.g). Of course, there's openbox, fluxbox, blackbox, window maker, and the entire plethora of small sized footprint window managers. Gnome is entering that category for machines having say 500Mhz+ processors and 256 MB RAM. (of course, it can run on lower specs but the 'fluidity' (responsiveness) will be lower).

Anyway, kudos to Gnome team. Keep releasing new versions :)

gnome online desktop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675345)

I read the release notes.
Evolution: no thanks, I use thunderbird.
Epiphany: please, I use Firefox
Tomboy: and mono, no thanks.

Did they do anything to improve the liveCD, gnome online desktop?

Re:gnome online desktop? (1)

fadilnet (1124231) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675465)

You make as if you can't install Thunderbird and the other apps you use, while having Gnome installed!

Come on! Gnome is merely the Window Manager. Install the apps you like and enjoy your distro.

The LiveCD is merely to show people the beauty of Gnome. Once, you're done with it, get your distro deployed and select your window manager.

Great names. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675369)

I love the randomly named applications that have no relation to what the programs actually do. I'll Totem that Tomboy anyday. And if that doesn't Evince you, I'll Gnome you from behind till you beg for mercy.

Damn (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675461)

... and I wipped out Ubuntu for Windows due to school wifi's reliance on Cisco's security software. Proprietary software sucks.

WIndowsXP is so limited to gnome but I do like MS Office at least on my now boring machine.

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20675659)

Our office uses vpn over wifi .. and has created cisco profiles for us to use. If that's what your school has, then there's a simple solution in Ubuntu (In fact, better than what Windows has). Open your cisco profile, copy the encrypted key and decrypt it using many of the websites that let you do this (Just google it). Then create a vpn profile in network-manager in Ubuntu .. and bingo. You can connect to / disconnect from vpn just by clicking on network manager.

Re:Damn (1)

Nyeerrmm (940927) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675715)

If by Cisco's security software you mean their VPN, there is a linux client, although its a pain to use. But, theres now an open-source client that has worked out beautifully for me called VPNC (sudo apt-get install vpnc, and find specifics on the forums for the four or five line config file).

Congrats! (3, Interesting)

ChangeOnInstall (589099) | more than 6 years ago | (#20675593)

I've been using Gnome since 0.3 or 0.30 (or something like that), and just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work! It's the best desktop environment I've ever used (I use Windows and OSX regularly, but find Gnome to be the most efficient/least cumbersome). I've had no trouble with customization, but then again I find gconf-editor to be remarkably easy and intuitive to use for all the advanced options I want to configure (such as a ridiculous quantity of keyboard shortcuts). The latter half of the 2.x releases have completely eliminated my chief complaints, i.e., performance, menu editing, and file manager issues. Can't wait to try the next release when Ubuntu 7.10 comes out.
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