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GPhone Still In the Works At Google

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the i-wish-goog-411-worked-better dept.

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Technical Writing Geek writes "According to sources at a Taiwanese manufacturer, Google will definitely be launching its own branded phone. An article at DigiTimes states that the company has yet to finalize the handset's specifications, OS, production contractor and operating partners. 'TI's handset chipsets will find their way into the Google phone should the company decide to roll out an EDGE-compliant handset, but Qualcomm could turn out to be the winner if Google decides to bet on a 3G model ... However, the choice of a 3G platform might force Google to postpone the launch of the so-called Gphone to the first half of 2008 instead of the latter half of this year as expected due to the change of platform and problems related to licensing of patented technologies ...'"

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Whole Lotta Speculation going on (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20689773)

but nothing concrete....

Re:Whole Lotta Speculation going on (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689949)

but nothing concrete....

Nope, nothin concrete, BUT(!) there's ultra sekrit spy photos of Microsoft's zuPhones [wikimedia.org] !!!

Re:Whole Lotta Speculation going on (1)

gitargr8 (966020) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690129)

Nope, nothin concrete, BUT(!) there's ultra sekrit spy photos of Microsoft's zuPhones!!!

Looks like it can hold a ton [wikipedia.org] of mp3s though.

Re:Whole Lotta Speculation going on (2, Funny)

darthnoodles (831210) | more than 7 years ago | (#20694997)

You lied! You said there was nothing concrete.

Re:Whole Lotta Speculation going on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20693891)

I certainly hope so. A concrete phone would be way too heavy!

The Power of Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20689819)

If there were ever a company that could introduce a wireless SIP phone and make the concept stick, this would be the one...

Re:The Power of Google (4, Funny)

JustinKSU (517405) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690087)

What I want to know is will the GPhone help me find the GSpot?

Re:The Power of Google (3, Funny)

SimonInOz (579741) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690295)

Maybe it'll help you spot a Gman. Is that what you want?

Re:The Power of Google (4, Funny)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690363)

What I want to know is will the GPhone help me find the GSpot?

Google up the location, set ringer on "vibrate."

Re:The Power of Google (1)

r2q2 (50527) | more than 7 years ago | (#20692311)

I think I saw hentai of that

Re:The Power of Google (1)

inexia (977449) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690629)

...probably not. but I am sure it will come with Google Earth which will show you the ever elusive GSpot and how perpetually far you are from it...of course...vibration mode wont work to this effect as it would eat up batteries trying to circumnavigate said GSpot continuously as you try to find it...

Re:The Power of Google (1)

scafuz (985517) | more than 7 years ago | (#20694985)

nope, for that purpose GoogleMap should be enough

Re:The Power of Google (1)

Estanislao Martnez (203477) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693651)

If there were ever a company that could introduce a wireless SIP phone and make the concept stick, this would be the one...

Why? When have Google ever demonstrated expertise at building and selling consumer electronics?

Re:The Power of Google (1)

darthnoodles (831210) | more than 7 years ago | (#20695013)

They have a history of good consumer apps.

I suspect though that the phone would never come out of beta.

The real winner (2, Insightful)

miroth (611718) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689827)

The real winner (other than Google) will be whichever service provider wins the Gphone contract.

Re:The real winner (5, Insightful)

petehead (1041740) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689853)

The real winner (other than Google) will be whichever service provider wins the Gphone contract.


I, for one, hope the Google doesn't sign exclusively with one carrier.

Re:The real winner (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20690061)

That won't matter. Like a certain other phone, it will be reverse-engineered so that it may be used on other networks.

It's only a matter of time.

Re:The real winner (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693225)

Like a certain other phone, it will be reverse-engineered so that it may be used on other networks.

Only if anyone wants the damn thing. I know I don't...

Re:The real winner (1)

olehenning (1090423) | more than 7 years ago | (#20694497)

Don't see how it matters. As long as the hackers want to play with it, it will be hacked. And I don't know too many hackers who would pass over playing around with new tech.

Re:The real winner (1)

starnix (636547) | more than 7 years ago | (#20699665)

Chances are it will run LINUX.

OpenSource all the way (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20690517)

Much to the contrary, from what I've heard it will be OpenSource all the way from kernel (Linux) to app layer (Java VM), including application framework and extensive developer support. And cheap too. The whole point of this is to kick-start a community around OSS phone development.

Re:OpenSource all the way (1)

johny42 (1087173) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693449)

Sounds good. Where did you hear that?

Re:The real winner (2, Insightful)

Speed Pour (1051122) | more than 7 years ago | (#20700433)

Google has claimed many times, and I think they have demonstrated this with their success, that their business does it's best when it operates as platform independent. In this instance, that means building a phone that will work with every provider of a particular technology, be it 3G, EDGE, or whatever...

It doesn't seem unlikely that they would eventually build phones for each of the major options so that a "GPhone" could be connected to Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, and every other service you care to name. (note: the following speculation is based on virtually zero knowledge of the possibility, only the assumption of possibility) Begs a bigger question, could they possibly build a phone with interchangeable chips that would make it possible to spend $15 to change the phone from one option to another. This would result in making a semi-future-proofed phone possible, which would build a huge secondary market...something that only re-doubles google's business model; where they believe that as long as they are the ones providing the data, they are coming out ahead.

I've yet to understand all of the people who claim that google would make a mistake by playing in the hardware market...It seems those people don't understand that google's business model isn't at all related to that of the carriers or other handset producers. Google will focus on making money from services and content delivery (ie. Advertising), not from constantly selling new handsets each year and pushing customers to make regular upgrades. Google has the money to fund a venture like this, and they are counter-culture to the approach that the existing carriers and handset makers have used so far, which *COULD* ensure them solid footing in this market if they play it right. As a side note, I feel that "playing it right" will also mean playing friendly with carriers at first and NOT including VoIP at first (since it will not be welcomed to the market by carriers)

Re:The real winner (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689905)

I wonder if an anti-trust suit could win against google if they chose AT&T.

Re:The real winner (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690321)

Google is bidding in that upcoming spectrum auction. They do operate wifi stations in select locations. And they do like putting a half-assed effort into everything. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Hmm (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689835)

I wonder if it will pop-up Flash ads during phone calls.

  • You call/receive call
  • Google speech pattern recogniser listens in, detects 'date', 'dinner' and 'movie'
  • Information passed to server
  • Server pops up ad for Trojans (complete with animation!)

nah, they'd never do that .. would they?

Re:Hmm (5, Funny)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689979)

If they do that then I will add the following predictions

1: The GPhone will be free, but you can buy one if you wish to use your own number.
2: It will never leave Beta.
3: Microsoft and Yahoo will release rival Phones, but they wont be as good, and will look ugly.
4: People will complain that the Gphone is clearly a monopoly as it is Google leverage its advertising monopoly into another market to take it over....*

* Not that I think Google is a monopolist, nor can I see why they would be classed as such

Re:Hmm (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691955)

I wouldnt mind a ad supported phone made by Google actually.
Good way to wipe out the competition as well.

Re:Hmm (2, Insightful)

CrashandDie (1114135) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693117)

* Not that I think Google is a monopolist, nor can I see why they would be classed as such
It's not Google's monopolistic nature that scares people, it's the sense of hegemony that pours out of all their apps...

They want to do everything, maps, email, search, video, phones, calendar, file indexing, coder motivation, etc

I don't mind it, I mean, it's not your usual next door company, but they are a regular company. Plus, a few people think it'll soon be all over [battellemedia.com]

Though, I do understand why people would see Google as an evil company, the bottom line is that they are nothing more than a company, believing that they are a God given gift, is just stupid...

Re:Hmm (1)

GunFodder (208805) | more than 7 years ago | (#20692675)

Who cares when you can run Firefox with AdBlocker?

Eh? (4, Informative)

taupin (1047372) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689837)

So there's not actually any information here. Everything is still up in the air - OS, partners, specs, producers, launch date - except that Google *will* be making a phone.

Wake me up when something actually is known.

Other thoughts...
How long will it be in beta?
September Fools' ?

Re:Eh? (1)

darthnoodles (831210) | more than 7 years ago | (#20695041)

Nothing decided, but it's expected latter half of this year.

Product development moves well at Google.

Data collection (4, Interesting)

bhalter80 (916317) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689863)

Does anyone see this bringing a whole new meaning to phoning home? Think of all the data they could collect but owning the platform, they could mine where your contacts live how often you talk to each of them, all sorts of usagine information not relating to the phone depending on the feature set. This seems like a data miner's mother lode.

Re:Data collection (4, Interesting)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689901)

Which isn't too much different from any other Cell Provider... especially since many still sell that information - while Google has a history of creating a level of user anonymity that companies like AT&T don't.

So while Google may have access to more information (assuming you use their phones to access Google's online services), they seem less likely to use that information (from current and previous track records) than other cell carriers already ARE doing.

Re:Data collection (1)

sacrilicious (316896) | more than 7 years ago | (#20695773)

[Google's data-mining capabilities aren't] much different from any other Cell Provider...

I'd contend that they are quite different. Google has many different channels of data available, most of it digital rather than in need of anything like voice recognition, which Google is eminently capable of correlating and drawing semantic inferences from. These statements don't apply to other cellphone carriers.

...while Google has a history of creating a level of user anonymity that companies like AT&T don't.

I'm drawing a complete blank here... what history of Google creating anonymity are you referring to?

Re:Data collection (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 7 years ago | (#20696677)

...which is all the same data the cell carriers routing the rest of your phone traffic have? They've got access to the info either way. Google will, only through using their service.

Google sells ads using the data through their ad service. The phone companies sell your information to their "partners" so they can make money that way since they dont have an ad model like Google's (which I think addresses your last point).

Re:Data collection (4, Insightful)

hc5duke (930493) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690107)

Think of all the data they could collect but owning the platform, they could mine where your contacts live how often you talk to each of them, all sorts of usagine information not relating to the phone depending on the feature set. This seems like a data miner's mother lode.
RIM already has that capability with BlackBerry.

Re:Data collection (2, Informative)

blhack (921171) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690255)

Think of all the data they could collect but owning the platform, they could mine
where your contacts live how often you talk to each of them,
From what I hear, the google brothers closest from Brad Dunglhorfingshtick owns the worlds foremost tinfoil hat manufacturing facility. This is, IMHO, simply an attempt by google to gift their friend Brad D. some cash; tax free. Informants inside of google have even gone so far as to state that Sergey is PERSONALLY fronting the operating capital for They're Watching, Brad's hat conglomorate. IN this way, Sergey is said to be "double-dipping", a term coined the the mid-90's hit comdedy television show "Seinfeld". Sergey will make money not only off the phone, but on the "back-end" as well from all the whack-tards out there who will sell their entire Second Life Real Estate portfolio and convert it to tin foil hat bonds.

A wise move comrad, a wise move.

Or......you're an idiot.

Google is a marketing company (1)

chihowa (366380) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690401)

Or......you're an idiot.

I'm having a hard time seeing what incentive they would have to make a phone besides using it for data mining. That's what Google does. They collect information about you and send you targeted advertisements. It's how they make their money. They've done that with every service they've offered.

Exactly what do you propose their motivation is here? You seem to be implying that with this GPhone, Google breaks with all of its previous history for some mysterious reason.

Re:Google is a marketing company (1)

JuanCarlosII (1086993) | more than 7 years ago | (#20694287)

Possibly because advertising and marketing is the only real revenue stream for the services Google already provide. With a phone the revenue stream exists from line-rental and call charges. The reason Google would want to move into the phone market is not necessarily to use it for direct marketing purposes but simply because they can see that mobile devices are currently, and will continue to be used more and more for accessing online services, and they want to make sure that people use their particular online services and the best way to ensure they are using Google's services and not A.N Competitors is to tie them to the device functionality. Similar reasoning to Microsoft producing an OS/software for mobile devices. The best way to make sure people are using Google services on their handsets: make sure their handsets are optimised specifically to work with Google. For any other similar company, the mobile phone market would be impenetrable and such an approach would not be feasible, but as Apple have shown, having a sufficiently powerful brand can provide a market for a product which might not otherwise be successful.

Re:Data collection (3, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690419)

Or......you're an idiot.

well, read this and see if you still feel like defending google no matter what they do:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/11/google.html [motherjones.com]

the fact is they have a lot of power and they have a lot of data. past performance is no indicator of future, as they say, and given that absolute power corrupts absolutely, I just fear any single entity that gets that much info on us.

I don't worry about the gov getting as much on us - the gov is mostly incompetant (that actually works in our favor, as citizens). but google is pretty competant - and that scares me, given how much data and access (and machine power) they have.

Re:Data collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20692035)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/11/google.html
Oh fuck! I was user 22155378! They've found me!

Re:Data collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20692631)

Oh my, Google evil? How old are you? Google started out clean, but it was destined to be much too large to be able to avoid all the evil in this world, and trust me, there is a lot of it.

Before you get all bent out of line about some company who bends its rules so people in china can still use it, remember the grand 'ol telecoms. Don't remember AT&T? It got so bloated and greedy that the government, in some bizarrely rare event, broke it up. And now its back, and coming back strong.

And of course, all of these simply pale in comparison to Halliburton, Enron, Blackwater, etc etc...

Google still seems like a shining beacon of hope, but power corrupts. Of course, the unstoppable bureaucratic slime will creep their way in and pillage, and wring out every dollar, no matter the cost to us. Google is pulling in way more dough than they spend, as fast as they can spend it, it seems, which makes them in a very dangerous position as a business trying to stay clean.

These are trying times...

Re:Data collection (2, Funny)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693103)

I don't worry about the gov getting as much on us - the gov is mostly incompetant (that actually works in our favor, as citizens). but google is pretty competant

You are so naive. Do you really think that the people that manage a trillion dollars of our money and can casually send US troops to kill 500k civilians overseas are stupid and bumbled into their jobs? Look at who's running the country now and who was running it half a century ago. These people want power above all and were smart enough to get it, and they have the family and connections to make it work, generation after generation.

Considering the alternatives, it's not even a bad system. Unlike many previous systems of government, if you want it badly enough and are smart and ruthless enough, you can probable make it yourself into that circle. Many of the people, in addition to their egos, are also genuinely concerned about the well-being of the country, even if you wouldn't believe it.

But don't assume for a second that they don't know what they are doing.

Sergey and Larry got where they got because they incredibly lucky in addition to being smart. Many government leaders got where they got through meticulous long term strategizing and planning.

Re:Data collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20694461)

You are so naive. Do you really think that the people that manage a trillion dollars of our money and can casually send US troops to kill 500k civilians overseas are stupid and bumbled into their jobs? Look at who's running the country now and who was running it half a century ago. These people want power above all and were smart enough to get it, and they have the family and connections to make it work, generation after generation.

Let me guess - you had some US-hating socialist Ward Churchill-type professor that sold you that line of BS. And with your skull full of mush, and never having been taught true critical thinking, you bought it - hook, line and sinker.

Re:Data collection (1)

Mikkelin (945622) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693611)

Past performance is no indicator of future? What a strange thing to say. I consider it a very reliable indicator, though of course it is not the only one, nor is it always right.

Re:Data collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20693643)

That article is retarded. Yahoo! collects the same information when you use their services. The same with AOL and MSN. That's the price you pay for using the internets. Now which of those companies do you trust most?

Re:Data collection (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690265)

knowing who had a hand in this device's design, how could a net saavy person trust it?

google scares me, with the huge amounts of customer data they have 'in trust' on us.

I don't think I'll be considering any kind of 'google phone' thank you.

Re:Data collection (1)

Onan (25162) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690765)

No need to worry about that. We already know everything about you.

How's that move from Amherst to Nashua treating you?

(No need to tell us, we already know. Just making conversation.)

Re:Data collection (1)

afaik_ianal (918433) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691457)

It is rather amusing when people worry about how much info companies like Google collect, when it's so easy to get personal information with a quick search.

he said, she said....... (2, Interesting)

inzy (1095415) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689867)

but no real details. nothing beyond what was reported the last time this was here, or the time before, or the time before........

wake me up when google announce something

And the point of the article is...? (4, Funny)

WindowlessView (703773) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689881)

WTF? So, basically the gPhone will have some kind of operating system and be connected to some kind of network, all of it to made by some as yet unnamed manufacturer.

Re:And the point of the article is...? (2, Funny)

Ajehals (947354) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690019)

You forgot to add "Maybe" to the end.

Only one question (2, Interesting)

mysterious_mark (577643) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689925)

Will it have an SDK and or support J2ME?

Re:Only one question (1, Troll)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690035)

I would hope that Google phones would move away from this Java insanity.

Small device + virtual machine .. what a great idea!

Fry It! (1)

jefu (53450) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689981)

I hope someone there read Stephen Fry's recent blog on phones [stephenfry.com] and is taking it all to heart.

Re:Fry It! (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691697)

I hope Stephen Fry's sysadmin checked his logs and took the Apache 503 errors to heart.

This year? (2, Insightful)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 7 years ago | (#20689991)

...However, the choice of a 3G platform might force Google to postpone the launch of the so-called Gphone to the first half of 2008 instead of the latter half of this year as expected...

We're already in the latter half of this year. Its nearly October!

If they don't have a hardware spec, OS, production contractor or operating partners I'd put my money on the proverbial snowball in hell before GPhone 2007

It's comming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20690057)

Just wait, the ad ware will pick up words and you will get ads in the middle of the call

Operator: 911 what's your emergency
Caller: I just flipped my car, I can't get out
Adware: Looking to get out of your current car loan, try checking out loans.com, and e-mail will be sent to the owner of this phone with all the details
Operator: Is anyone hurt.
Caller: I'm so cold, I can't feel my legs anymore, please send someone
Adware: Need directions, try Google maps today, they will tell you how to get where your going fast, and with new features like changing your course by dragging the line, it's better then ever.
Operator: Sir, someone is on the way, just hold on.
Caller: ....

but google wouldn't do anything like that, that would be like putting full screen flash ads on a page, it would be very annoying, and some might consider it evil, so they wouldn't do it... oh wait...

In other words... (4, Insightful)

SoapBox17 (1020345) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690089)

An article at DigiTimes states that the company has yet to finalize the handset's specifications, OS, production contractor and operating partners.
In other words, they have not finalized anything. Which is basically the definition of vaporware.

Re:In other words... (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690245)

Not from Google's point of view. You can not have vaporware if you don't announce the product. "Preliminary discussions" would be a better term.

Re:In other words... (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690703)

Vaporware is when some one claims it has been finalized, but the product is never materialized.

This is called 'Planning', or possibly 'road mapping', maybe even 'talking out their ass'.

Re:In other words... (1)

revengebomber (1080189) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693591)

I hear the phone will ship with a free demo of Duke Nukem Forever.

What would be better than a phone... (2, Interesting)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690099)

would be if they released their own phone OS instead of their own phone with cross platform syncing tools. Windows Mobile is PAINFULLY lacking and I refuse to use the IPhone until they have one with a replaceable battery and a minisd slot.

Re:What would be better than a phone... (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690305)

refuse to use the IPhone until they have one with a replaceable battery and a minisd slot.

Why? It's already smaller/lighter/thinner than many competitors, and if you're worried about battery life, there are several external batteries that fit on the back almost seamlessly and connect to the bottom connector. And if you want to replace the internal battery without giving up the phone, there are already several replacement kits out.

-b.

Google + Apple = Goople? (3, Interesting)

greywire (78262) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690235)

I have to wonder what the gPhone will be like when there's already the iPhone getting all the attention. Because certainly they've been working on this since before the iPhone came out, and, since Google CEO Eric Schmidt is on the Apple board, they probably knew more about the iPhone than the public did before it came out...

One has to wonder if Google would even want to compete head on with the iPhone..

But they wouldn't be making something of lesser gee-whiz functionality, would they..

If it wasn't for my knowing that Apple hasn't traditionally been interested in sharing their IP with "clone" companies, I would almost start to think the gPhone is going to be a lot like the iPhone..

Maybe there's more going on between Apple and Google than we know...

Re:Google + Apple = Goople? (3, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#20692267)

One has to wonder if Google would even want to compete head on with the iPhone..
I hope not. The iPhone is just a smartphone with a few new features that looks like an iPod; there's nothing special about the infrastructure or business model.

If google jumps in, I hope it will be more revolutionary. For instance, if they won the bandwidth auction that's happening soon, and used that to make a high-speed nationwide data+voice wireless network open to third party devices (though since it's "new" spectrum, initially only the gPhone would work). I'm probably just setting myself up for major disappointment, but that's what I wish.

Re:Google + Apple = Goople? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20693323)

Maybe the gPhone is just an open OSS stack for hacked iPhones? The timing seems just about right...

Re:Google + Apple = Goople? (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#20697899)

I really hope not. All I want is a cheap phone (and service) that get excellent coverage and has a battery that will last for more than 12 hours. I would love to able to tell my current carrier to get lost and stop financing illegal wiretapping.

Re:Google + Apple = Goople? (1)

greywire (78262) | more than 7 years ago | (#20698761)

You know, I have to wonder why "smart phones" and even just plain ("dumb phones"?) phones still cost so much. $400 for an iphone, or the HTC touch? And more for Treo's? I don't get it. I bought a Clie TG50 like 5 years ago with similar specs for $400. And the phone circuitry by now should be cheap to add.

I want to see something for like $200 (which with new phone plan subsidies would be almost free, like most plain phones..), with a decent CPU in the 200mhz range, a reasonable amount of flash memory (a gig costs what, $20 these days? or less?), at least 320 x 320 lcd (I don't want a huge honking device). Basically hardware like my TG50 but with more memory. Have it run linux. Have it be OPEN, so anybody can write software EASILY. Design a gui for it that uses gestures and doesnt require a stylus (but have that as an option if you need precision). Gestures aren't rocket science that only Apple can divine.

It needs a great browser, mainly, so you can access google mail/calendar/etc. If it came with emulators for some game playing goodness, that would be sweet.

Keep the case design simple and clean. its not evil to have a few buttons, maybe a tiny joystick or something.

700 MHz (3, Interesting)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690325)

If Google gets the spectrum license, will they be building their own competing voice/data network in the USA?

-b.

Re:700 MHz (5, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691061)

Well... yeah. That's what the 700Mhz spectrum is going to be used for, and Google is one of the players looking to bid.

Of course, the really big idea is not to have a voice/data network, but to have it be an all-data network with VOIP. Of course, carriers really hate the idea because it pushes the idea that you can have a dumb pipe, and separate from that you have voice service which could possible be provided by another provider. The cell carrier business model relies on the presumption that the pipe and the service are inseparable, and building the pipe entitles you to all service contracts of any sort.

Verizon and the cable companies like this idea, too, that phone services, data services, and video services are all somehow inherently bound to the data network that carries them. This is what the net neutrality debate is all about. These big companies want to say, "I own the pipe, so I should get a piece of anyone providing any service through that pipe." If we can ever knock the services free of the pipe, I think we'll see a bit of a revolution.

Re:700 MHz (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691107)

Of course, carriers really hate the idea because it pushes the idea that you can have a dumb pipe, and separate from that you have voice service which could possible be provided by another provider.

Sort of -- standard TCP/IP is really bad at doing voice, especially over poor connections. Too much latency, even when speed is high.

-b.

Re:700 MHz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20693351)

So, use UDP with error correction, and build your network with appropriate access points and switches with traffic shaping to prioritize voice traffic. Skype works well enough now, even on bad networks, and is acceptable if you are targeting a low price point. If you target a more of a luxury product, then you can afford the kind of extra gear you would need to keep the latency low. There's really nothing that special about modern cell phones; The main difference is that cells reserve bandwidth for active calls, but there isn't a reason you couldn't make an AP/switch that did something similar if you control the hardware and software on both ends.

Re:700 MHz (1)

Tancred (3904) | more than 7 years ago | (#20696961)

You're off the mark on this one. First, because the TCP transport layer protocol is inappropriate for real time applications - use UDP with RTP on top of it. For instance, there's no need to retransmit dropped packets; in fact waiting for a retransmitted packet before continuing would be worse than having a few milliseconds of dead air. Second, because the latency is due to the the characteristics of the physical layer. So any physical medium that can handle voice + data can handle data, including VOIP.

I'm Feeling Lucky (5, Funny)

arsheive (609065) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690383)

I want an "I'm Feeling Lucky" button on this thing that uses google's vast amounts of data on everyone to automatically call whomever I _should_ be talking to at the time.

Re:I'm Feeling Lucky (2, Funny)

Serhei (1150661) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691529)

Then, I want this feature put in a phone with no screen and one button, so that it can compete with the iPhone Shuffle.

The Underwear Gnomes strike again! (5, Funny)

peterb (13831) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690385)

You just gotta love /. "Google's planning on shipping the phone in the latter half of this year, even though they haven't yet decided on what the hardware platform is, what OS it will be running, who their cell network partners will be, or any of the manufacturing details!" Also, in other news, I will be giving free ponies to everyone who visits my website [tleaves.com] . Free flying ponies.

shipping date realities (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690913)

It depends on a few things. If Google really *has* already got the phone OS & UI done or mostly done, then choosing a phone platform that already exists, and negotiating a service contract might not take that long. I still very much doubt that it'll happen this year, but it's not impossible, depending on the work that's already been done. I just wouldn't count on a unique new hardware platform for the phone with that kind of schedule. Making a high-tech phone doesn't require any new technology these days. 3G has been around for a while, as has GUIs for phones, java, etc. It's all there in existing handset designs (HTC, most likely). Pick GSM or CDMA, negotiate a contract (T-Mobile or Verizon, please! (if in the US)), and roll.

Re:The Underwear Gnomes strike again! (1)

zobier (585066) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693045)

in other news, I will be giving free ponies to everyone who visits my website [tleaves.com] . Free flying ponies.
May I please have my pony now?

Re:The Underwear Gnomes strike again! (1)

peterb (13831) | more than 7 years ago | (#20694499)

It is being shipped to your house right now, on the same boat that is delivering the gPhone.

There's no planes for gPhone (0)

LanceUppercut (766964) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690449)

There are no even remotely definitive plans for future gPhone, which is pretty obvious even from that "article". The article is created and posted in an obvious attempt to influence the AAPL stock price. Fabrciated articles of that nature have been circulating for quite some time already and are currently available in copious amount around the web. /. moderators have to do better job recognizing and blocking this kind of spam. This is not a Yahoo Finance message board, after all...

Clearly (2, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690677)

the iPhone is the one to get, it's two better.

Re:Clearly (5, Funny)

Onan (25162) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690817)

Perhaps Google and Apple can compromise and collaborate on the hPhone.

Re:Clearly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20693203)

h isn't my thing.
I'd rather have an /e/Phone or a /u/Phone

this sounds familiar... (2, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690881)

the company has yet to finalize the handset's specifications, OS, production contractor and operating partners

Hmm...that sounds just like my plan to take over the world! I just haven't figured out how, yet, that's all. But just you wait! *shakes fist*

Hey Google! Pick Canada! (1)

auk-nord (664916) | more than 7 years ago | (#20690953)

Since Apple won't actually be shipping any iPhones to Canada until we're a 200 million person marketplace in the late 2900's, now's your chance to come in early and dominate the Canadian market!

Has to be 3G (1)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691577)

Come on, people, there is no way Google will go for EDGE.

As you may have heard, Google is a large search engine which also provides excellent services like YouTube. Search engines also forward users to web sites filled with graphics and some with videos.

So why would Google want to construct a phone? Do they intend to make the best phone experience or do they tout this thing as the ultimate source to information via the World Wide Web? It's clear to me that a company like Google wants to maximize the speed to the site it links to as well as YouTube. EDGE can do that, but it's so painfully slow that it's not gonna be pleasant.

Re:Has to be 3G (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 7 years ago | (#20691713)

So why would Google want to construct a phone?

They have way too much money and have failed to innovate beyond being a search engine? Just guessing...

In Other News... (4, Funny)

8ball629 (963244) | more than 7 years ago | (#20692345)

3D Realms has confirmed that they will be releasing Duke Nukem Forever the 2nd quarter of next year due to issues surrounding DirectX 8.

gphone and grandcentral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20692411)

The engineers at Google are no fools. Think about it, they acquired grandcentral this year, and the gphone will be coming out. Google will most likely tie the gphone system in with grand central somehow and having all voicemail be serviced via GC web interface. They will strictly use a cell provider for network access and nothing else. Just sell the phone Google, dont sign on with ANY partner. If they really want to make people happy, include EVDO on the phone and allow it to work on ANY carrier.

gphone or iphone (1)

scolbert (1122737) | more than 7 years ago | (#20692917)

I am sticking with my iPhone. For starters, its exists and by the time this gphone comes out Apple will have 3G anyway. Somehow I am guess Apple will do (has done) a better job than Google. Google make a great search engine, etc. but Apple gets the consumer device stuff big time. What will google do on the phone that will make it so much better than Apple? Will they somehow limit the type of local searches to keep that market to themselves (which pretty much goes against their MO). Can't wait to see how this shakes out, but I will repeat: I am stick with my iPhone, now and next version! -sammy / loving my iPhone [personafile.com]

Re:gphone or iphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#20697913)

I am sticking with my iPhone. For starters, its exists
Bold move.

Re:gphone or iphone (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 7 years ago | (#20698023)

Cheap service over a data network that prioritizes VOIP traffic. Add in a specialized Google search and you could have real time GPS. I certainly wouldn't drop several hundred dollars on an iphone. I already have an ipod and a cell phone. Why do I need one? Having said that; I'm definitely interested in what Google can offer.

Google Operating System (1)

What Is Dot (792062) | more than 7 years ago | (#20693333)

What we need is a Google Operating System. That will successfully launch Google to the "Microsoft that should have been" status that we (techies) desire. In fact, I hope that Google replaces Microsoft, because from a software standpoint Google does everything right were Microsoft does everything wrong.

Re:Google Operating System (1)

solidfusion (1027728) | more than 7 years ago | (#20696221)

I dissagree with that statement. Google does not do everything right, and Microsoft doesn't do everything wrong. Microsoft has some good products out there, they would have to be otherwise people wouldn't buy them. Also, I will not ever install google desktop search on any of my PC's again as it has brought 3 of them to a hault at various times (memory leaks). I wouldn't mind a Google operating system as it could help inspire other OS's and competition is always a good thing in my opinion, but that doesn't mean as soon as one comes out I would quickly switch to it.

All this talk (1)

kurtis25 (909650) | more than 7 years ago | (#20694725)

I'm not sure Google would be tied to one carrier. That doesn't seem to hold an advantage for them. They want to expand their customer base not shrink it. Unless the deal gets me 2 phones with unlimited calling for $70 a month it's not financially smart for me to switch. If it does come in that price range I'll buy and let me friends suffer with the loss of cell to cell minutes. They'll need a network which can handle all sorts of traffic without crashing like the housing industries stock. From what I hear no carrier has this sort of capability so it would seem the gphone would need to spread their love. p.s. i read this title and thought "thank goodness I was worried the gphone was now in the works at Microsoft, I'm glad Google kept it."

Google is smart. (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 7 years ago | (#20695025)

And the speex technology has come a long way. They could really kick everyone's ass if they do everything right. Less data = Less power, right? More information through the network? Better service and coverage? Who know's what's up? They could be planning anything! Maybe it's an iPhone clone with surround sound built in? God only knows. If they use the openmoko platform, though, and really make some killer apps (picasa, google earth, GPS, mp3, ogg, super fast youtube....., SNES emu...), I want one! Actually, I want it to be cheap and hook up to a monitor and mouse if I'm on the road, and charge from there and be my Ubuntu desktop on the road, at work, at home, and everywhere else. Maybe that's 2009 though. Whoever does it first for under $100 gets my money. Consider this a pre-order. Oh yeah, and I want it to have wifi (duh!), and I want to get a LCD and keyboard for an extra $100. Or use the ones I already have....

OK, last thing. Can I get a joystick? It'd be sweet if could do Grand Theft Auto online under winehq while I'm in Starbucks. Fuck it, here's an extra $50.

rhY

Re:Google is smart. (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 7 years ago | (#20695069)

PS Venture capitalists: I have other no brainer ideas that could work right now in tech convergence between cell phones and PCs, and in other technologies altogether. Give me a ring (email first).

Much Love homies,
rhY

PS Since it's got a vid cam already can we vid chat in h.264 Please? How much bandwidth is that at 320x240? Hook a brother up!
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