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List of PS3 Titles Compatible With Rumble Controller

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the just-a-quick-update dept.

PlayStation (Games) 84

Kotaku has a list of PlayStation 3 titles compatible with the new rumble-enabled controller just announced this week at TGS. Most of the upcoming high profile titles for the console are on the list, and several already-released games will apparently become compatible with a quick software update. Some highlights from the list: "The Darkness, Devil May Cry 4, Turok, Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, Burnout Paradise, RAGE, METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS, Condemned, Folklore, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, Resistance: Fall of Man SOCOM: Confrontation, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Warhawk"

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Wow no posts? (-1, Offtopic)

illumin8 (148082) | about 7 years ago | (#20705179)

omg did I seriously get first post? Pathetic... My slashdot, how you've fallen... I used to think this site was the bees knees but now Ars Technica beats you guys on tech news on a daily basis. Posting this with my account since I have plenty of karma to burn.

Re:Wow no posts? (4, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | about 7 years ago | (#20705199)

Or maybe it's a sign that everyone genuinely couldn't care less about the PS3 at this point?

Re:Wow no posts? (1)

Cy Sperling (960158) | about 7 years ago | (#20705367)

Or maybe it is because the link doesn't go to TFA, but to an unrelated Gamespot story. Nobody ever posts on /. without RTFA right?

Re:Wow no posts? (1)

illumin8 (148082) | about 7 years ago | (#20705527)

Or maybe it's a sign that everyone genuinely couldn't care less about the PS3 at this point?
Touche... The PS3 has really been a colossal failure I suppose.

Re:Wow no posts? (4, Informative)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | about 7 years ago | (#20707919)

Or maybe it's a sign that everyone genuinely couldn't care less about the PS3 at this point?
I wouldn't say that. I'm entirely happy with mine, it is in pretty much continuous use here, mainly as a video player. My wife likes to browse Youtube with it, in preference to her PC. As a game machine the graphics are spectacular. I lost a lot of hours of my life to Elder Scrolls. Looking forward to see what the cell architecture can do with a really physics intensive game. The thing has just worked without a hiccup from right out of the box. No problem configuring wireless. The internet browser is functional, though no Opera or Firefox. The controllers are impressive, a nice balanced design and they run a surprisingly long time on a charge. Running Linux is a nice plus. I fully expect some fun hacks to arrive in due course.

Wii owns the lower end gaming market, no doubt about it. But Wii doesn't come anywhere close to the graphics power of the PS3, and cutesy is not what I'm looking for in a game. PS3 seems to have been targetted right at me, and I seriously doubt I'm alone. I don't know what more I'd ask for in it. More titles, as if I had time for that :-)

Re:Wow no posts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20709505)

Yes, that's all well and good; the thing is that you're a mug, and most people aren't.

Re:Wow no posts? (1)

GL250 (1153817) | about 7 years ago | (#20712291)

Everyone? Hmmm, spoken like an xbot! Sorry but 5 million is a bit higher than your conclusion.

Downloadable patches (1)

strider2k (945409) | about 7 years ago | (#20705289)

So how will it be implemented? Do we the end-users have to download the patches via the Playstation Network? Or, was it secretly already in the current games and just need a firmware update? I assume patches.

Wait wait wait... (2, Interesting)

MMaestro (585010) | about 7 years ago | (#20705399)

I thought rumble was supposed to be a last-gen technology fad. Why is Resistance: Fall of Man, the PS3's best first-gen/launch title getting a retroactive modification?

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

toolie (22684) | about 7 years ago | (#20705523)

Cue the AC that lists all the crap about Resistance: Fall of Man at every chance!

- blah blah blah
- crap about dedicated servers
- crap about how many people per server
- NOW WITH KILLER RUMBLE FEEDBACK FEATURE!

Resistance: Fall of Man FEATURES!!!one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20705687)

- blah blah blah
- crap about dedicated servers
- crap about how many people per server
- NOW WITH KILLER RUMBLE FEEDBACK FEATURE!

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | about 7 years ago | (#20705711)

Customer demand? Who thought at this point you could still buy a new computer with Windows XP on it?

Companies often make bold forward looking statements, and they don't speak for everyone.

Re:Wait wait wait... (4, Funny)

seebs (15766) | about 7 years ago | (#20705805)

Because it was only the most egregious fanboys pushing that "I never wanted rumble anyway" thing.

In the cities, sometimes you'll see a bitter old man whistling at passing women. And, as they pass, he mutters something like "bitch, I ain't want you anyway".

PS3 fanboys are much like that bitter old man. :)

Re:Wait wait wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20706761)

ffs Pete, get a life!

STOP TROLLING SLASHDOT!

What would dear old mum think??

Re:Wait wait wait... (0, Troll)

seebs (15766) | about 7 years ago | (#20707769)

No, that's not trolling. Trolling is stuff like "if they'd had the choice, the SS would have gone with the PS3 because lack of rumble is like gun control, which allowed the Nazis to take power, and making everyone use motion controls is like forced abortions for eugenics, which is the only reason anyone ever wanted abortion to be legal anyway, which is why the terrorists in Iraq attacked us on Septmber 11."

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

Logiksan (947439) | about 7 years ago | (#20715453)

Where's the 'Godwin' moderation option when you need it?

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | about 7 years ago | (#20710383)

I always turn rumble off. I find it annoying, and I worry about what holding a rumbling controller for so long will do to my hands and wrists in the long term.

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | about 7 years ago | (#20711777)

Because it was only the most egregious fanboys pushing that "I never wanted rumble anyway" thing.
For the most part, yes. There are a few legitimate cases, though. I hate rumble. In every game I play, the first thing I do is turn the damn rumble off. You can imagine how happy I was with the Sixaxis controller's lack of rumble. I really did say "I never wanted rumble anyway", and not in a fanboy sense.

Re:Wait wait wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20724817)

If you disagree, reply, don't mod me down. I can't engage in a discussion with a "-1 Overrated".

I'd think if they wanted to talk to you, they'd have replied... Not modded you down... Maybe it's a sign?

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

seebs (15766) | about 7 years ago | (#20727847)

Fair enough. I always hated it too, because it's too strong on most controllers. I like the Wiimote's very subtle rumble.

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

pokerdad (1124121) | about 7 years ago | (#20706013)

I thought rumble was supposed to be a last-gen technology fad.

Sony contridicting itself? Say it ain't so.

In fairness to Sony though, this is actually a good sign. They thought that when they couldn't continue using their old rumble technology, the way to go was to ditch rumble altogether. They spent a whole lot of time trying to convince the world that rumble doesn't matter, but now, threatened with being third place, they are looking to address a complaint that people have with the system.

Listening to a complaint people have with your product and addressing it is always good in my books. And considering that they are getting this done so early in the console's life, the rumbless controller may well be forgotten by the time this gen is over.

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

SuperMonkeyCube (982998) | about 7 years ago | (#20709603)

Hear, hear! I don't need everything to rumble, but it was nice to know when you were getting a wheel on the curb on Gran Turismo, and when something big was coming up behind you in other games.
Here's how I see it.

1) Rumble became standard.


2) Everybody got put on notice by Immersion.


3) Sony ignored #1 above because the rest of their system was so expensive, they were a little cash strapped and they weren't ready to settle.


4) Fans complained about #1 with respect to Sony's new controller.


5) Sony found themselves selling systems, but not as fast as the others who understood item #1.


6) Sony found themselves having to listen to the market.


It's nice that they're listening, and I like Playstation as much as the next fanboy, but I think their hand was somewhat forced. I find it fantastic that it happened sooner rather than later.

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

Petrol (18446) | about 7 years ago | (#20717397)

How *dare* you just stroll in here and make sense. Really... I never!

Re:Wait wait wait... (1)

GL250 (1153817) | about 7 years ago | (#20712219)

MMaestro,

I guess you're not familiar with the "last gen" joke since it seems as this was the first time you've used it. It's ok. But this was about the 50th time I've heard it since Sony and Immersion settled their law suit about 6 months ago.

Catch up.

Let's get one thing straight (1)

G Fab (1142219) | about 7 years ago | (#20715037)

Sony was fighting a patent troll. They didn't leave rumble out by choice, they left it out because a Microsoft funded Immersion was suing them for using rumble that Immersion did not create.

Sony lied that they couldn't figure out how to use rumble and motion sense because they had to put lipstick on a pig. That's lame, but it's unavoidable. You can't expect them to have actually said "yeah, it sucks... no rumble".

Now the lawsuit was settled, sony lost and Microsoft is richer... yay. And sony is the bad guy for finally getting around to rumble? Not really. Sony was too confident and goofed (as usual). But Immersion and Microsoft are the bad guys here.

That doesn't make the 360 any less of a great system (best one right now), but it's going to SUCK if MS becomes dominant. Sony dominated and it doesn't seem to have hurt Nintendo in the long run at all. Mark my words: that will not be the case if MS ever dominates this industry.

For the time being, I'm happy I waited to get extra controllers and happier still that my PS2 games will finally get rumble.

Re:Let's get one thing straight (1)

donaldm (919619) | about 7 years ago | (#20726967)

You can connect your PS2 dualshock via an adapter to the PS3 and providing you have PS1/2 games that support rumble your dualshock will rumble. Of course you will need firmware 1.8 or better.

Re:Let's get one thing straight (1)

G Fab (1142219) | about 7 years ago | (#20738611)

this is true, but I can't stand the cable.

I wanted to add that you do not need to buy the proprietary adapter. Any Playstation controller->USB port adapter works fine on the PS3.

I have a couple I got for 5$ each for my laptop.

Obligatory... (-1, Redundant)

rjung2k (576317) | about 7 years ago | (#20705543)

..."But Sony told us rumble was last-gen!" joke.

Meh. (3, Interesting)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 7 years ago | (#20705961)

I was an early adopter of the PS3 solely because of Sony's track record of backwards compatibility consistently getting worse as new versions of a particular console come out; I wanted to be sure to get the PS3 model that would play most (if not all) of my PS2 and PS1 library, and I have yet to actually play (let alone spend money on) a PS3 game. And the list of games here isn't going to change that for me as far as I can tell: I'm not going to speak for others, but there's nothing interesting for me in that list.

I'm looking forward to the new rumble controller for backwards compatibility, nothing else. I suppose, in that way, rumble really is a "last-gen" feature, as least on Sony platforms.

Now if only some new update will fix the sound flubs in Final Fantasy XI (or if S-E would release a PS3 client of the game).

Re:Meh. (0, Offtopic)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | about 7 years ago | (#20710889)

Wait, you spent upwards of $500 to.. play games you could play on consoles you already own? WTF? Why?

I've never really understood backwards compatability that much anyway.. it's not that much hassle to keep around multiple consoles and have some kind of automatic video out switching device.

Re:Meh. (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 7 years ago | (#20711807)

"Wait, you spent upwards of $500 to.. play games you could play on consoles you already own? WTF? Why?"

Because there will eventually be a game for the console that I want to play (Final Fantasy), but if I wait until then, well... they've already stopped manufacturing PS3s with hardware emulation.

"I've never really understood backwards compatability that much anyway.. it's not that much hassle to keep around multiple consoles and have some kind of automatic video out switching device."

I have a Wii, a GameCube, an N64, an SNES, a Genesis, a TurboDuo and an NES. That's two component, two S-video and three composite inputs to juggle. Granted, most of those consoles are in storage as I don't play games for all systems all the time, but a combination of the Wii's backwards compatibility and Virtual Console reduces the hassle even more.

(Now if only they'd add Rumble Pak support for N64 games...)

PS3 (1)

king-manic (409855) | about 7 years ago | (#20715613)

Wait, you spent upwards of $500 to.. play games you could play on consoles you already own? WTF? Why?

Well. For one there is upscaling and smoothing. For another hardware doesn't last forever and one day my PS2 may die. It's nice to know I can replace it with the latest model. BC is around 80% even with the 80gig one that does not have the old ps2 hardware. That's a fair shade better then 30% on the 360. It's nice to play some of the old classics. That's why a lot of classic games are flying off the virtual shelves of all 3 consoles.

There are some ok games. Heavenly sword and resistance aren't console sellers but their good games. Even the criticisms about heavenly sword aren't that it sucks but it's too short. Motostorm is a system seller if your into rally. I'm not.

Linux is a big draw for me too. I swear to god the "identity" of slashdot is schizophrenic. We love Linux but hate the only home console to support it. We Hate MS but I swear to god half fo the games section are MS fanboys. We know what happens when MS takes over a industry but we root for the 360?

PS. I'm posting this on my PS3 running feisty fawn ubuntu.

Re:Meh. (1)

pQueue (1091881) | about 7 years ago | (#20717203)

You really should play FFXI on a PC. You'll get much higher resolution and texture resolution. It is an older game so you can get away with a minimal setup (less than PS3). That will open up macro possibilities and add-ons also. If you care about FFXI don't waste time playing it on PS2 (or even 360).

Re:Meh. (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 7 years ago | (#20718215)

"You'll get much higher resolution and texture resolution."

What the game may gain in the three-dimensional graphics it loses on the two-dimensional overlay, for some reason, with poor contrast, lousy transparencies and the like. Same problem on the Xbox 360, but I've gotten used to it. I suppose these things happen when you're dealing with a port instead of the original.

"That will open up macro possibilities and add-ons also."

Possibilities to get me banned.

"If you care about FFXI don't waste time playing it on PS2 (or even 360)."

If I care about FFXI, I'll continue to play it in my living room, in my lounge chair, on my 30" television. A relatively minor change in the graphics may justify staying hunched over your desk to play it for you, but not for me.

Re:Meh. (1)

pQueue (1091881) | about 7 years ago | (#20720511)

For me the change to PC was like night and day. You can increase the texture memory to 2048 by 2048 which makes the details on the armor/environment really stand out in my opinion. You can also increase the MIP mapping to make distant textures look better. I've never heard about anyone getting banned for windower or longer macros and there are many ways you can play PC games on your TV. But it sounds like your happy with your setup. =)

Re:Meh. (1)

donaldm (919619) | about 7 years ago | (#20727195)

The top of the HDTV market is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080 pixels on a 40" to over 50" screen (depends on what you can afford). The low end of the HDTV market is 720p which is 1280 x 720 pixels. Most standard PC monitors are very much smaller than 32" and those that can support higher resolutions than 1920 x 1080 are not what I would call cheap, couple that with a high end graphics card plus gaming PC and you could probably buy a PS3, Wii and Xbox360 plus a reasonable HDTV and still have plenty of change left over for a few games for all of them.

PC and console gaming fill different needs. With console gaming you put your disk in and play unlike PC gaming which does require you to set up your PC to play the game although sometimes it can be easy, but it is a real pain when the game has annoying bugs and you have to download patches. I will concede that on-line gaming using a PC is IMHO better than than on-line gaming with a console although the PS3 and Xbox360 are rapidly closing the gap. I know that you can just plug a keyboard and mouse (wireless or wired) into the PS3 and it works although their use does depend on the game.

Re:Meh. (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | about 7 years ago | (#20735677)

Most standard PC monitors are very much smaller than 32" and those that can support higher resolutions than 1920 x 1080 are not what I would call cheap
Depends on what you're looking for. VGA CRTs with even higher resolutions are still reasonably priced. I have comparable resolution on my VGA CRT (2048x1536) at less than half the price of a dual-link DVI LCD (2560x1600), and it works with my existing KVM switch with still perfectly good computers that will never see a dual-link DVI card made for them (PCI only, no bloody -X or e, no AGP).

Enough is enough (1, Insightful)

Bugs42 (788576) | about 7 years ago | (#20705971)

Seriously folks, enough with the "OMG BUT SONY SAID RUMBLE IS LAST GEN!!!" comments
We get it, they've changed their minds. Yes, you're oh-so-witty for pointing out how Sony's doing a quick about-face. Because, y'know, never before in history has a company realized that they made a mistake and then gone back to correct it.

Gotta love the Slashdot groupthink:
Slashbot: "HAHAHA, XYZ Company did something stupid!"
*XYZ fixes said stupid thing*
Slashbot: "XYZ is stupid for fixing their problems and not sticking to bad decisions."

Go ahead, call me a shill and mod me down, I've got balls enough to not post AC and karma to burn.

Re:Enough is enough (4, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20706743)

"We get it, they've changed their minds. Yes, you're oh-so-witty for pointing out how Sony's doing a quick about-face. Because, y'know, never before in history has a company realized that they made a mistake and then gone back to correct it."

Ah, if only that was the whole story. The 'mistake' they made was they didn't want to pay licensing fees over the patent. Instead of just being upfront about that, they first claimed that their motion sensitive controller wouldn't work with Immersion's rumble technology.. When the Wii controller came out that supported motion sensing and rumble, Immersion made it public they had informed Sony about how to resolve that issue, then Sony fired back and said that rumble technology was last-gen.

Sony didn't simply make a mistake and correct it. They fought it kicking and screaming. If Sony hadn't been so negatively noisy about it, the Dual Shock 3 would barely have made the news.

Re:Enough is enough (0, Flamebait)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20709267)

You wont let sony win.

of course they tried to justify their stupid decisions, that what big companies *do*. then when they get it right you critisize them for "flip-flopping" and lying. what company doesnt lie on a constant basis?

It feels like i keep saying this over and over again. Sony isnt that bad. Lets list their crimes: (SCE)

1. They made a console you dont like. ....

I hardly see how this is worthy of all the bashing and crap they get on slashdot. Im not a fanboy but i can see customer attitude is starting to affect console makers and having a large impact on sales. I want more people buying ps3's so i can get some goddman games. i dont want it to turn into the dreamcast of this generation, minus the the good games. Im not going to start arguing pro ps3 but you cnat deny its a great piece of hardware, its not a piece of crap.

So why is sony bashing getting so popular? oh no, they made a ps3. Its sounds old, but i cant even list the amount of things microsoft has done in the past year that are far worse than that. Why arent we out bashing them, boycotting their products and givign them a hard time, i mean they pretty much MAKE people buy their crap, and it IS crap. i know some of us do.

Nintendo makes what i belive to be an overpriced stupid console with retarded desgin, but i dont troll every topic on nintendo or video games in general with stupid comments about mistakes they made.

Anyway i just dotn see why you feel the need to bash them so much when theres so many companies out there that are far worse. they made the ps3, made some design mistakes, and had a ceo who said some stupid things.

Does that even compare to the windows saga, the way its designed to irreverisbly permeate our lives, and Steve Ballmer?

Re:Enough is enough (2, Interesting)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20712845)

"what company doesnt lie on a constant basis?"

Obviously Sony has done it a lot more 'constantly' than the other two this time around, their PR tanked.

"1. They made a console you dont like. ...."

This is why you don't understand what all the 'bashing' is about. You don't have a clue what's been going on. You actually think that one morning I woke up and thought "Hmm.. it'd be fashionable for me to hate Sony today for no reason." As near as I can figure, you've been avoiding even the most mainstream video game news over the last 18 months. Now, it may sound like I'm just being dismissive of what you're saying. Well, sorry, but if you really want to kick people in the butt to re-evaluate the PS3 you're not going to get anywhere by saying "I don't understand what all the fuss is about, you're just a fanboy." The PS3 had a lot of positive momentum going for it until E3 '06. That's when they first shot themselves in the foot. Maybe you'd like to browse through the news archives and see what all the fuss was about?

"I hardly see how this is worthy of all the bashing and crap they get on slashdot. Im not a fanboy but i can see customer attitude is starting to affect console makers and having a large impact on sales. I want more people buying ps3's so i can get some goddman games. i dont want it to turn into the dreamcast of this generation, minus the the good games. Im not going to start arguing pro ps3 but you cnat deny its a great piece of hardware, its not a piece of crap."

I agree with you that the hardware has some impressive graphical power. Throw lots of money at it, and sure, you can make the numbers of the specs go up.

"Its sounds old, but i cant even list the amount of things microsoft has done in the past year that are far worse than that. Why arent we out bashing them, boycotting their products and givign them a hard time, i mean they pretty much MAKE people buy their crap, and it IS crap. i know some of us do."

That's something else you should look into. Despite the silliness surrounding Microsoft and the XBOX 360 (i.e. Defective units...), they've still made an interesting and affordable game machine.

"Anyway i just dotn see why you feel the need to bash them so much when theres so many companies out there that are far worse. they made the ps3, made some design mistakes, and had a ceo who said some stupid things."

As I said, you're not seeing all of the saga surrounding Sony. You should look into that. As for bashing, I'd hardly call my post bashing. You're not going to get anywhere on this topic if you run around to people who have a different opinion from you and say "You're just bashing". I could accuse you of being the exact opposite, you know. "You'll let Sony do whatever they want and you'll cheer them on." You wouldn't care much for me saying that, right? Whatever. Go do a little research before taking potshots at people.

Re:Enough is enough (0, Flamebait)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20716277)

ok....

i have read slashdot every day almost for the past year. i know whats going on. you say theres all this shit they they did after e3 or whatever thats just awful and the devil's work. its just a console you dont like! thats all it comes down to! it has games you dont like!

hey, dont buy it!

thats what i do when i dont like something.

as far as i can tell your reply comes down to "they did all this other stuff but i cant be bothered mentioning it and were not all bashing them, oh btw your ignorant."

well yes i know not everyone is, and mabye you arent, but my post wasnt directed at you.

and you fail to see all that all the things sony has done amount to a console with poor design choices, some broken promises and PR lies. Oh no! they promised a game and now its not coming out! They promised a feature and it didnt end up happening! That happens with nearly every technology product. sure its more than most, but like i keep saying, nearly every company does it, and if you dont like a product dont buy it. sony isnt forcing you to upgrade from a ps2 to a ps3.

and i didnt call anyone a fanboy. im not really gonna bother saying much more until you come with more than just "you're ignorant".

oh and, sillyness? 33% PERCENT OF UNITS ARE DEFECTIVE.

and yes the xbox is pretty good i think, although im not a fan of generic fps's. i was talking more about microsoft in general.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20716723)

"you say theres all this shit they they did after e3 or whatever thats just awful and the devil's work..."

I didn't liken anything to "Devil's Work". I said their PR is bad.

"its just a console you dont like! thats all it comes down to! it has games you dont like!"

I don't have a problem with the console. It's the company that has been making stupid mistakes lately.

"as far as i can tell your reply comes down to "they did all this other stuff but i cant be bothered mentioning it and were not all bashing them, oh btw your ignorant."

Cute interpretation of what I said, but okay. Fine. Whatever. I didn't go into detail for two reasons: First is that all that information's out there. Considering how dismissive you've been so far, I didn't think my doing reseach work for you would end up being worthwhile. Second, I don't think you would have trusted me. I think you would have argued with me instead of just reading the information and figuring out why other people interpret it the way they do. I'm not interested in convincing you to dislike Sony, but I think you would have interpreted it that way. If you go find that info on your own, at least you'll look at it from that perspective instead of using it in a game of verbal kombat with me.

"and you fail to see all that all the things sony has done amount to a console with poor design choices, some broken promises and PR lies. Oh no! they promised a game and now its not coming out! They promised a feature and it didnt end up happening! That happens with nearly every technology product."

Right, but that's not what Sony's getting its chops busted for. I've already gone into detail about this in my first post and you dismissed it. Oh well.

"...and if you dont like a product dont buy it. sony isnt forcing you to upgrade from a ps2 to a ps3."

In other words, people that disagree with you should just shut up. Right. The reason you think the fanboys are crazy is that you don't understand it like they do. I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but I think you need to go back and take another look at what Sony's done. It's not some shared haullucination.

"oh and, sillyness? 33% PERCENT OF UNITS ARE DEFECTIVE."

On a note unrelated to this discussion, I don't think this number is true. I think the number's unusually high (10% maybe), but I seriously doubt it's 33. Unfortunately, some of the XBOX news gets tainted like the Sony news does. It's hard to take extreme stories on either side seriously.

"im not really gonna bother saying much more until you come with more than just "you're ignorant"

I don't know why you expect more of me than that when you're not listening to anything I'm saying. I'm not spending a whole lot of energy on this while you're saying things like "its just a console you dont like! thats all it comes down to! it has games you dont like!" All that stuff has been regurgitated so many times here I honestly don't see how somebody who reads Slashdot everyday can be unaware of it. If you really want to know, start asking questions and stop putting words in people's mouthes.

Re:Enough is enough (0, Troll)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20716775)

You're extremely good at avoiding nay real discussion and facts and simply making personal attacks, mainly about ignorance. you should be in PR. Both of oyur posts presented no facts at all, they were just complete suttle atatcks to undermine any of my points. Nevermind, im sure youl just do it again if you reply.

and yes, it is 33%.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20716867)

"You're extremely good at avoiding nay real discussion and facts and simply making personal attacks..."

Heh. Yeah yeah. I know all about that debate tactic. That's cool. If you'd like to demonstrate some listening ability, I'd be happy to discuss this. If you'd like to continue under the delusion that a large group of people spontaneously and without cause waved their torches and pitchforks at Sony, so be it. Just remember that I started this off with a dicsussion and you immediately replied with demonstratable ignorance of Sony's silliness over the last year. "Lets list their crimes: (SCE) 1. They made a console you dont like. ...." You'll pardon me for not accepting responsibility for your dissatisfaction.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20716933)

I'v been waiting since your first post for you to provide a single fact. You know all about that debate tactic do you? claim im using "tactics" when thats what your doing?

Re:Enough is enough (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20716999)

I've been waiting for you to show some signs of listening. The ball's in your court.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20717107)

for like the 5th time: what is something sony has done to deserve such harsh treatment? i have no seen a single thing that i would deem to be quite morrally wrong

Re:Enough is enough (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20717159)

You dismissed what I said the first time around, why should I expect something different this time?

Re:Enough is enough (1)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20717189)

you didnt say anythign the first time! you just said its all already out there and your ignorant for not having read it. i'l try one last time: What is something sony has done that is morally reprehensible? If you dont reply with an argument il not reply to you anymore since you clearly dont have a valid point to make. and no, you didnt already make it.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 7 years ago | (#20717309)

"you didnt say anythign the first time! you just said its all already out there and your ignorant for not having read it."

Heh. I was talking about my original post. You dismissed it and since then your mind's been closed. (Even to the point that you conveniently ignored it just to take another poke at me!) Show me that you're actually going to pay attention to what I said, and I'd be happy to answer your question. It's all on you, man. If you won't make a move towards civility, don't continue stooping to hypocriscy.

Lemme know if you wanna meet me halfway. Otherwise, have a good weekend. :)

Re:Enough is enough (1)

G Fab (1142219) | about 7 years ago | (#20715129)

immersion is a patent troll. Just like SCO, Microsoft has invested in companies that are suing MS competitors.

"kicking and screaming" implies Sony was wrong. They were right, and everyone who is fair knows it. Patent cases in East Texas are unfair, and microsoft has learned how to use that system to abuse. You come across like a rabid hater of all things Sony, which is of course pretty common these days. I'm sure there is plenty of legit stuff to bash sony over without kicking and screaming yourself over something like this. The PS3 just got better.

Sony fought a PR war and a court battle, and they lost both. But Sony comes out ahead in my book for fighting patent trolls. I wish all companies went out on a limb to make patent troll life harder.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | about 7 years ago | (#20715767)

This is all true (at least as far as I know). But why didn't Sony come out and tell us this instead of lying to us over and over ("last gen", "wouldn't work", "massive damage", etc.).

I would have given Sony credit for fighting BS patents, instead they treated us all like 6-year-olds by trying to hide the truth with half-assed lies.

Giving and taking back (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20726013)

I am giving Sony credit for fighting Immersion. They are not exactly a patent troll (they actually do have real products), but their rumble patent is still crap. Sony could have caved in and coughed up, just like Microsoft, and they didn't. They lost, but at least they tried.

I am, however, subtracting some of Sony's credit for lying about it to us. And I'm subtracting some more for not winning against Immersion. So they end up back at zero :-)

Re:Enough is enough (1)

G Fab (1142219) | about 7 years ago | (#20738667)

It would be great if Sony had been honest, but really, it would have made the PS3 look inferior to competitors. Sony had a fiduciary duty to pretend the lack of rumble was not a big deal.

Not that Sony sold many PS3s, but the attitude that they are fighting to make the PS3 better would not have helped. So Sony pretended one of the coolest features wasn't that cool.

For those that really care about this stuff, it was hopefully obvious (and arrogant and annoying to hear Sony distort reality)

But Sony just isn't the company that acts like it's scrapping by with an ok system: for Sony, everything is the ultimate. The PS2, to hear Sony, was some kind of supercomputer.

The lie was lipstick on a pig.

Re:Enough is enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20706971)

Schadenfreude (aka epicaricacy).

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Re:Enough is enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20708161)

Schadenfreude kicks ass!

Re:Enough is enough (4, Insightful)

MWoody (222806) | about 7 years ago | (#20707203)

It's not funny because they changed their minds, it's funny because it was always a lie. They knew people wanted rumble, they just couldn't give it to them due to the lawsuit still in deliberation, so they decided to badmouth the technology as a whole. And now, mere months after the console's release, they're trying to quietly pull back and hope we won't point and laugh at their earlier attempts to sugarcoat their inability to provide a feature their consumers expected.

I mean, they lie to us all the time, of course; that's what PR is. But if they'd said "rumble is nice, but we can't do that due to the lawsuit, sorry. Meanwhile, here's an equally interesting technology called sixaxis..." then we'd be less likely to revel in the Schadenfreude. And really, lets remember this is Sony, purveyor or rootkits and constant attempts to force proprietary formats on unwilling consumers; they've earned no sympathy.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | about 7 years ago | (#20708039)

Surely, dropping rumble was about the lawsuit, everybody knew that. But to be honest, it really is a dumb feature. A well engineered sound effect can be really surprising, immersive or moody. I never found the feeble little vibration on my previous-gen box immersive at all. More like "oh the controller's vibrating again, interesting that somebody thought I'd appreciate that". I want the controller to vibrate roughly as much as I would want to have a smell-generating unit, capable of generating two different smells.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 7 years ago | (#20708793)

Rumble is invaluable for racing/driving games. Lets you know if you're on the rumble strip, on the track, or have a wheel in the grass. Also makes it easy to distinguish which gun you're currently holding (many games just have the crosshair) by rate of fire/kick. Secondly you know when you're getting fired upon/hit due to rumble, which can be hard to tell from the screen flashing red in one direction while your gun is illuminating the whole screen yellow from gunfire. Since I pretty much only play those two genres, I find it a pretty important feature.
 
Oh, and it comes in handy in football games, a contact sport. But I only play football games 2 weekends a month in the fall/winter with friends...

Re:Enough is enough (1)

donaldm (919619) | about 7 years ago | (#20709611)

Well I have a PS3 and if I play a PS1 or PS2 game that support rumble my DualShock with PS3 adaptor rumbles. I have found that rumble can improve the atmospheric quality of some games and on other games rumble IMHO is not necessary and annoying. The nice thing about the PS1/2 games that support rumble is the fact that you can turn it off if you really don't want it. I am pleased that Sony is going to bring out a sixaxis shock controller especially if they bring out their new patented force-feedback which IMHO looks interesting, now I will be able (if I buy the controller) to have the option of leaving it on for some games and off for others so IMHO rumble is an optional thing while motion sensing in a game that requires this is essential and can't be turned off.

Actually I rather like the lightness of the sixaxis controller over my heavier DualShock controller since I prefer RPG's and Action adventure games and a lighter controller enables me to play a lot more comfortably.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 7 years ago | (#20710935)

I like a well-used low-level rumble for things like the car sliding out of control or being jostled (body check, crash, etc.)

As a regular replacement for a subwoofer, not so much, but as a subtle cue of something you should feel in real life, sure.

Many games simply need rumble (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20726031)

I take it you don't play racing games. I'm happy rumble is back, if only for GT. Playing GT without rumble just plain sucks, especially using cockpit view. You need rumble to feel the borders of the road.

There are many games that really profit from force feedback. Honestly, Wii Tennis would not have been half as cool if you couldnt feel the ball hit the rack. Games like skate could profit from rumble by giving you more feedback about where your skateboard is. Sometimes it's hard to see wheter you're still grinding; rumble could help a lot (maybe it does on the 360 version, I've only played the PS3 demo). In FPS, it sometimes helps to notice that you've been hit.

Seriously, rumble is an important feature of many games.

Never Say Never Again (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | about 7 years ago | (#20736043)

I never found the feeble little vibration on my previous-gen box immersive at all. More like "oh the controller's vibrating again, interesting that somebody thought I'd appreciate that".
But, rumble is so easily convertible to electroshock! Put up some wireframe vector graphics and some webcams for networked play and ETERNAL BATTLE FOR DOMINATION OF THE WORLD BEGINS.

Re:Enough is enough (1)

DaveCBio (659840) | about 7 years ago | (#20722577)

Oh, so it's okay to post about people posting about it? All you Sony defenders really need to take a step back and realize that Sony is just feeling the backlash of their own marketing and PR. Games are more popular now and gamers are more savvy. You can't put out press releases with big hand waving declarations and then do a 180 without anyone noticing and calling you on it. I mean Microsoft got all kinds of flaming for poor failure rates and then for lack of response. Even when Microsoft came clean and refunded repair bills and provided extended warranties people still gave them shit. It's an equal opportunity crap flinging arena.

Why is MGS in all caps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20707479)

OK I understand that they expect MGS to sell a lot of systems but is there any reason that it's listed as METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS? Are they trying to scream HEY NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE MGS BUT IT WILL HAVE RUMBLE! YOU SHOULD THROW YOUR LESSER CONSOLES IN THE RIVER!

I've always wondered.... (1)

penguin_dance (536599) | about 7 years ago | (#20708179)

Jeez, if they're going to build a controller with a vibrator in it, can't they at least make the games a little more interesting than Ratchet & Clank?

Re:I've always wondered.... (1)

metamatic (202216) | about 7 years ago | (#20714919)

To each his own. I like 3D action-adventure platformers, and Ratchet and Clank has consistently been one of the best franchises, if you ignore the execrable "Ratchet: Deadlocked". The best thing about the games is the way the difficulty level is inherently self-adjusting. "Going Commando" was the best of the series, if you want to give it a second look.

Who cares? (-1, Troll)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | about 7 years ago | (#20708187)

It's the PS3. It's a failure. The 360 is a failure as well.

Console gaming is NOT about power, it's about value. If you want power you go for the PC.

Own a PS3? Sad loser. Betamax owner. Fucking idiot. Whatever moniker you like.

Enjoy.

List of PS3 owners (2, Funny)

MrCopilot (871878) | about 7 years ago | (#20708611)

List of PS3 buyers I know:

1.Dave

List of PS3 purchasers who took them back:

1.Dave

Re:List of PS3 owners (-1, Troll)

CodyRazor (1108681) | about 7 years ago | (#20709295)

Wow, you only know one ps3 buyer who returned it?

I bought a ps3. I still have it.

Oh wait, that was supposed to be funny. Well, better luck next time.

Re:List of PS3 owners (1)

NanoGator (522640) | about 7 years ago | (#20733947)

> I bought a ps3. I still have it.

Is your name Dave...?

Re:List of PS3 owners (1)

donaldm (919619) | about 7 years ago | (#20709655)

That's funny I have been to many Game and EB's stores and I never seen a second hand PS3 for sale. I have however seen lots of Xbox360's and even Wii's not to mention PS2 and Xbox's. I have even seen second hand DS's and PSP's for sale as well. Still you took back your PS3 to early if you really wanted you could have swapped it for the new 120GB Xbox360 and AU$99 what a bargain. :-)

Re:List of PS3 owners (1)

r2q2 (50527) | about 7 years ago | (#20710025)

Amount of people you don't know who actually bought a ps3 :millions .

Re:DUMB (1)

GL250 (1153817) | about 7 years ago | (#20712169)

So, this is the logic that Slashdot has come too? -> "MrCopilot wrote: List of PS3 buyers I know: 1.Dave List of PS3 purchasers who took them back: 1.Dave"

Wow, MrCopilot, do you work on your narrow-mindedness?

Re:List of PS3 owners (1)

sponga (739683) | about 7 years ago | (#20716729)

funny but there was some article that came out about Folding@HOME project

Apparently there has been about 650,000 registered PS3's for the project and for the first time they have achieved over 1 Petabyte of consistant processing(something like that).
They were predicting that they wouldn't get to the petabyte for another decade or so but the PS3 sent them easily over it.

pointless fact..

Re:List of PS3 owners (2, Funny)

Captain Vittles (1096015) | about 7 years ago | (#20719605)

Well, those consoles have to be used for something until the good games come out.

What does "compatible" mean? (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | about 7 years ago | (#20710807)

Does it mean that you can use the controller with the game? Then I'd hope to god that all PS3 games are compatible with it, as well as all PS1 and PS2 games that are listed as compatible with the PS3.

Or does it mean that the rumble feature will be active in these games? Big difference between these two.

Instant Karma (1)

gamer4Life (803857) | about 7 years ago | (#20713511)

1. Bash Sony using any number of Microsoft fanboy-approved lines regardless of topic ...
3. Instant Karma! (modded up by the sheer number of Microsoft fanboys)

Re:Instant Karma (1)

DaveCBio (659840) | about 7 years ago | (#20722537)

Or maybe call Sony on their bullshit? They did a lot of things right with the PS1 and PS2 and they achieved success with that approach. With the PS3 they seemed to just assume that their momentum would carry them with not only the devs, but the public as well. It turns out that's not the case. The whole "rumble is last gen" line they had was bullshit from day one and everyone knew that. Now they say, "Oh we have rumble, but it's "next-gen" rumble." Then it turns out that it's actually identical to the PS2. This is what is earning them the backlash. Their arrogance and bold face lying.

Yeah, those damn Microsoft fanboys on Slashdot... (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20726053)

Yeah, those damn Microsoft fanboys on Slashdot. Slashdot is a total freaking Microsoft fan site. I mean, even the Bill Gates icon is total badass, while Nintendo only gets a stupid outdated Gameboy. I just love how there are always tons of pro-Microsoft comments, while Apple, Linux and everyone else get bashed to death.

Seriously though, complaining about Microsoft fanboys on /. is pretty desperate. Did you ever stop to consider that Sony might be bashed because they are doing an unbelievable amount of stupid shit lately?

Re:Instant Karma (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20729563)

lol
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