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Microsoft Should Abandon Vista?

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the seems-a-bit-harsh dept.

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mr_mischief writes "An editorial written by Don Reisinger over at CNet's News.com takes Microsoft to task for the outright failure of Vista. He suggests that Vista may be the downfall of the company as, despite years in development, Vista was delivered to market too early. His suggestion? Support those who are running it, but otherwise ditch Vista and move on. 'Never before have I seen such an abysmal start to an operating system release. For almost a year, people have been adopting Vista and becoming incensed by how poorly it operates. Not only does it cost too much, it requires more to run than XP, there is still poor driver support ... With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around. If Microsoft continues down this path, it will be Vista that will bring the software giant to its knees--not Bill Gates' departure.'"

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leave it alone!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772647)

How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Vista after all it has been through?

Its sales are flagging. Leopard made Steve Ballmer mad. He threw two fucking chairs.

Mr. Mischief turned out to be a blogger, and now he's posting stories to slashdot. All you people care about is quality and usability.

It's a version of Windows! What you don't realize is that Vista is just being Windows and all you do is write a bunch of crap about it.

Microsoft hasn't made a good OS in years. It prefixes everything with "Win" because all you people care about is WINNING! WINNING! WINNING!

LEAVE IT ALONE! You are lucky it even boots you bastards! LEAVE VISTA ALONE!

Please!

Don Reisinger talked about professionalism and said if Steve Ballmer was a professional he would've shouted "developers" a few more times.

Speaking of professionalism, when is it professional to publicly bash an operating system who is going through a hard time?

Leave Vista alone, please.

LEAVE VISTA ALONE RIGHT NOW. I MEAN IT.

Anyone that has a problem with it you deal with me, because it is not well right now.

LEAVE IT ALONE!

MOD UP! (1, Offtopic)

jcr (53032) | about 7 years ago | (#20772729)

Come on moderators, you know that was funny.

-jcr

Re:MOD UP! (5, Insightful)

LMacG (118321) | about 7 years ago | (#20772991)

Except the same joke was already used today in another MS article. By the same AC? Who knows . . .

Re:MOD UP! (2, Informative)

pohl (872) | about 7 years ago | (#20773089)

No, I'll own up to modifying and reposting the one from the last thread. I'm just a man, weak of flesh...

I AM SO F'INS ICK OF PEOLPLE B ASHING BVISTA (1)

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Rudy Guliani: Atheist +1, Interesting (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20773071)

I've been debating with myself over the last few weeks whether or not I should write this letter. Obviously, I outvoted myself and wrote it. I concluded I absolutely had to tell you that Rudy Guliani's power is built on lies. Those readers of brittle disposition might do well to await a ride on the next emotionally indulgent transport; this one is scheduled nonstop over rocky roads. As soon as you're strapped in, I'll announce something to the effect of how Guliani's tricks are rife with contradictions and difficulties; they're totally odious, meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited for a supposedly educated population. And as if that weren't enough, Guliani's perspective is that he has been robbed of all he does not possess. My perspective, in contrast, is that I have in my hands a list -- a long one -- of chthonic, combative lummoxes who have joined Guliani's polity. I know you're wondering why I just wrote that. I'll explain shortly, but first, I should state that I am flat-out tired of Guliani's psychological bullying. Am I aware of how Guliani will react when he reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because I want nothing more -- or less -- than to tell it like it is. To that task I have consecrated my life, and I invite you to do likewise. Guliani believes that we should avoid personal responsibility. Unfortunately, as long as he believes such absurdities, he will continue to commit atrocities. To state it in stark and simple terms, if you ever ask him to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed.

Guliani is hooked on designer victimology but fails to notice the real victims: the entire next generation. Was he just trying to be cute when he said that his catch-phrases are our final line of defense against tyrrany? I sure hope so, because when I say that most pundits are uncertain about the magnitude of the threat posed by his writings, this does not, I repeat, does not mean that those who disagree with him should be cast into the outer darkness, should be shunned, should starve. This is a common fallacy held by abominable vandals.

Although Guliani demonstrates a great deal of ignorance and presumption when he says that his way of life is correct and everyone else's isn't, the fact remains that his statements such as "Bad things 'just happen' (i.e., they're not caused by Guliani himself)" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual. Developing a policy of inclusion will not be easy, because I have to wonder where he got the idea that it is my view that violence and prejudice are funny. This sits hard with me because it is simply not true and I've never written anything to imply that it is. I undoubtedly want to talk about the big picture: we can never return to the past. And if we are ever to move forward to the future, we have to bring a fresh perspective and new ideas to the current debate.

Guliani's perversions are a conduit that funnels depraved thoughts into the heads of filthy mountebanks. I could write pages on the subject, but the following should suffice. If Guliani opened his eyes, he'd realize that I can hardly believe how in this day and age, sick spivs are allowed to undermine the foundations of society until a single thrust suffices to make the entire edifice collapse. One doesn't need a finely developed sense of irony to note that no one has a higher opinion of him than I, and I think he's a lubricious hell-raiser.

I could substantiate what I'm saying about unforgiving, venal hellions, but I don't feel that that's necessary, since we all know what they're like. There is no place in this country where we are safe from Guliani's cheerleaders, no place where we are not targeted for hatred and attack. Far too many people tolerate Guliani's precepts as long as they're presented in small, seemingly harmless doses. What these people fail to realize, however, is that it would be a crying shame to let virulent dipsomaniacs threaten national security. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: The gloss that Guliani's mercenaries put on Guliani's calumnies unfortunately does little to follow knowledge like a sinking star beyond the utmost bound of human thought. Guliani says he's going to institutionalize commercialism through systematic violence, distorted religion, and dubious science sooner than you think. Is he out of his mind? The answer is fairly obvious when you consider that the concepts underlying his pusillanimous, inarticulate threats are like the Ptolemaic astronomy, which could not have been saved by positing more epicycles or eliminating some of the more glaring discrepancies. The fundamental idea -- that the heavens revolve around the Earth -- was wrong, just as Guliani's idea that he is always being misrepresented and/or persecuted is wrong. He acts as if he were King of the World. This hauteur is astonishing, staggering, and mind-boggling.

This brings us to the dark underside of Guliani's bait-and-switch tactics, the side that's known to sidetrack us, so we can't challenge the present and enrich the future. Who is behind the decline of our civilization? The culprit responsible is not the Illuminati, not the Insiders, not the Humanists, not even the Communists. No, the decline of our civilization is attributable primarily to Rudy Guliani. Although I respect his right to free speech just as I respect it for hypersensitive demoniacs, crapulous parvenus, and arrogant, mephitic riffraff, if Guliani continues to hold annual private conferences in which spleeny talebearers are invited to present their "research", crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. His latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative.

What I want to document now is that Guliani's criticisms always follow the same pattern. He puts the desired twist on the actual facts, ignores inconvenient facts, and invents as many new "facts" as necessary to convince us that his decisions are based on reason. Guliani's true goal is to damn this nation and this world to Hell. All the statements that his peons make to justify or downplay that goal are only apologetics; they do nothing to fight the warped, distorted, misshapen, unwholesome monstrosity that Guliani's reports have become.

Guliani's dissertations represent a backward step of hundreds of years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless darkness of death. To steal the fruits of other people's labor is an injustice. Guliani wants us to think of him as a do-gooder. Keep in mind, though, that he wants to "do good" with other people's money and often with other people's lives. If Guliani really wanted to be a do-gooder, he could start by admitting that many people are shocked when I tell them that those of us who have to deal with the victims of his roorbacks don't find his belief systems at all humorous. And I'm shocked that so many people are shocked. You see, I had thought everybody already knew that griping about Guliani will not make him stop trying to persecute the innocent and let the guilty go unpunished. But even if it did, he would just find some other way to divert attention from his unprovoked aggression.

Let no one say that censorship could benefit us. No, this is materialistic expansionism and must be regarded as an attempt to convince self-deceiving pseudo-intellectuals that there is absolutely nothing they can do to better their lot in life besides joining Guliani. While I don't question his motives, and I certainly understand the frustrations of Guliani's deputies, if there's an untold story here, it's that Guliani claims that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. Predictably, he cites no hard data for that claim. This is because no such data exist. Quasi-sordid McCarthyism is his quiddity. The reason is clear. He says that he can be trusted to judge the rest of the world from a unique perch of pure wisdom. You know, he can lie as much as he wants but he can't change the facts. If he could, he'd unequivocally prevent anyone from hearing that he has been trying hard to protect what has become a lucrative racket for him. Unfortunately, that lucrative racket has a hard-to-overlook consequence: it will promote the lie of deconstructionism quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "phytosociological".

I agree that much of the noise made on Guliani's behalf is generated by resentful, stupid adolescents who seem to have nothing better to do with their time. But I also think that I am sick of our illustrious "leaders" treading on eggshells so as not to upset Guliani. Here's what I have to say to them: If Guliani can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen. To condemn innocent people to death has never been something that I wanted to do. Never. "What's that?", I hear you ask. "Is it true that Guliani's lackeys always show a streak of cruelty that enables them to find pleasure in their destructiveness?" Why, yes, it is. My eventual goal for this letter is to analyze Rudy Guliani's quips in the manner of sociological studies of mass communication and persuasion. I'm counting on you for your support.

Whatever (5, Insightful)

imstanny (722685) | about 7 years ago | (#20772761)

The problem is not the operating system itself. The problem is with Microsoft's development processes. Its ineffiency bloats the operating system and bogs down the speed and quality of the development. Moving on to a new operating system will result in the 'same' product. Think about it... telling the development team of Duke Nukem Forever to move onto Duke Nukem Whenever will not result in an expedited, improved, or actualized product.

Re:Whatever (5, Funny)

rucs_hack (784150) | about 7 years ago | (#20773099)

if they drop it, how will I play Halo 2 and 3?

Thus far these are the only two reasons to buy vista, and even then, probably not for another year, and then as a secondary boot to linux...

Re:leave it alone!! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772779)

I work with Vista, so I'm really getting a kick out of all these replies...

Re:leave it alone!! (1)

Cyberonyx (43610) | about 7 years ago | (#20772791)

She's a human!!! ... or is it "It's an operating system!!!!"

Re:leave it alone!! (4, Informative)

commonchaos (309500) | about 7 years ago | (#20772823)

For those of you that don't get the joke, check out the video [youtube.com] that this is based on.

Re:leave it alone!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772977)

the video

That's easily the most fucked up thing I've seen in the entire month of September ... and I've had a pretty fucked up month.

Re:leave it alone!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772883)

(in case some of you are living under a rock and missed the reference... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc [youtube.com] )

Re:leave it alone!! (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 7 years ago | (#20772911)

Leopard made Steve Ballmer mad.
I think Joy of Tech [geekculture.com] speaks for Mac users everywhere on this one.

He threw two fucking chairs.
Interesting. I used to get spam about those; I didn't realise they were a Microsoft product.

Standing slow clap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772947)

That was fantastic.
Well, well done.

Vista AWESOME compared with CRAPPY Linux (3, Interesting)

The_Abortionist (930834) | about 7 years ago | (#20773059)

I was running Ubuntu for 4-5 months and it was an "OK" experience. Most things in the box worked right out of the box. With the notable exception of printer sharing.

The Open Source applications included by default did a good enough job. Many things not included but that could be installed with the package manager worked. Many others didn't, like Bluetooth support. I noticed that there were no application worth talking about when it came to doing anything multimedia. Even Myth-TV was a total disapointment with hundreds of megs to download (it needs a lot of extra junky software) and hours to setup.

And then I noticed how completely broken is sound mixing on Linux...

So I switched to Vista, the best OS the planet has ever seen.

Does Vista have any flaws? Probably. The Open Source zealots rip their shirts complaining about it. Maybe they hopelessely witness Linux disapearing in the shadow of Vista. Or maybe there's a basis to their whinning. Probably not the latter though sice they can't provide any example of what's bad with Vista that can't be easily brushed off..

Windows is about using applications. Linux is about enjoying the OS.

For 99.999% of people, and 100% of organizations, I recommend Vista. I don't recommend Linux.

Re:leave it alone!! (1)

jx100 (453615) | about 7 years ago | (#20773107)

7of7 [slashdot.org] ? Is that you [digg.com] ?

Huh? worst start? (5, Informative)

nanowired (881497) | about 7 years ago | (#20772653)

Windows ME anyone?

Re:Huh? worst start? (1)

russ1337 (938915) | about 7 years ago | (#20772697)

you beat me to it... but yeah; these words pertain to ME just as much as Vista:

Never before have I seen such an abysmal start to an operating system release. For almost a year, people have been adopting Vista^H^H^H^H ME and becoming incensed by how poorly it operates.

Re:Huh? worst start? (3, Insightful)

HungSoLow (809760) | about 7 years ago | (#20772719)

But was ME in development for 5 years?

Re:Huh? worst start? (4, Interesting)

Thyrteen (1084963) | about 7 years ago | (#20772745)

Yeah, I must admit as well, I don't know what that was about :) ME was absolutely awful, and any computer I've ever serviced running it has mostly just called for XP. I run linux on a server, a desktop, and a personal laptop, and I really hate to admit it, but XP has grown to be a nice OS of sorts. I'd almost rather see them further development on XP instead of ditching the nice foundation they have. I think linux kind of thrives in that although their are major releases, people have constant input into the minor changes that get made to make a major release, as well as govern the major changes all throughout its development. This ensures that the OS helps to fulfill the interests of the users, not just the company producing it. Since there's not as much monetary pressure as a publicly owned company has, Linux can live its destined life. If it doesn't fulfill the needs of the users at any point, it would become abandoned. At least the linux community has the chance for slow path traversal, versus just releasing one product to the public and having it be done with.

Re:Huh? worst start? (1)

Etrias (1121031) | about 7 years ago | (#20772967)

*cough*

Windows BOB

Yea! (1)

broggyr (924379) | about 7 years ago | (#20772665)

WindowsXP and Linux all the way! (Too bad this shows my ignorance about other OS's...)

frist psot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772667)

frist psot

Yawn (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772675)

More FUD from Communist linsux advocate Zonk. The only ones advocating Microsoft eliminating Vista are the communist linsux/open-sores retards.

Freaking flamebait articles. (4, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | about 7 years ago | (#20772677)

Hello inflamatory headline.

On the one hand, I'm not touching Vista with a 10 foot pole until service pack one at the earliest. On the other hand, any self-professed Ubuntu/Mac guy is not who I look to for advice about Windows.

Yea, it sucks. Yea, included DRM sucks. Yea, their goddamn "Allow or Deny?" stuff is flat awful. Slow file copy, etc, etc. Hell, I'm not even sure if I like anything about it.

But I'm not going to run out and buy a Mac! I don't like the fricking hardware, frankly, and since you have to buy the hardware to use the OS, screw it, I'm not using the OS. And even if I did, the software is still not there, and don't say "bootcamp" like it means something. We've been able to dual boot in linux forever.

And as for Linux, I already USE Linux. If I could use it to run all the software I need to run, I'd toss my Windows machine. So far, that's not happening. I don't see it happening any time soon; WINE is never going to take up the slack, so it's all down to the software manufacturers. Unfortunately for me, one of the software manufacturers I need to start doing Linux versions of software is Microsoft, and that's about as likely as Bush raising taxes.

So no, I'm not happy about the situation. I don't think ANYONE is happy about the situation except irrational fanboys who think that this is going to be the end of Microsoft, completely missing the point that the alternatives are no more attractive today than they were five years ago because the goddamn software is still not available!

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (1)

iknownuttin (1099999) | about 7 years ago | (#20772853)

But I'm not going to run out and buy a Mac! I don't like the fricking hardware, frankly,

What about the hardware don't you like? Honestly, I'm really curious. My wife wants a laptop and I showed the Macbooks and she liked them - except for the part of charging $200 more for a black case.

and since you have to buy the hardware to use the OS, screw it, I'm not using the OS.

Yeah, that bothers me too a little.

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | about 7 years ago | (#20773063)

What don't I like about the laptops? Nothing. Mac laptops are awesome.

As for the rest of it, I like tinkering with my computer. I like switching out motherboards, processors, and crap like that. I've got no desire to get a fancy-looking box that is pretty much OS locked to a big heavy GUI-driven OS.

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (3, Funny)

xs650 (741277) | about 7 years ago | (#20772891)

"On the one hand, I'm not touching Vista with a 10 foot pole until service pack one at the earliest. On the other hand, any self-professed Ubuntu/Mac guy is not who I look to for advice about Windows."

MS has learned from Vista. The Vista follow on (7?) will be released simultaneously with it's SP1 so people don't have to wait.

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (4, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | about 7 years ago | (#20772939)

Well the headline (and summary, and article? Didn't RTFA yet) doesn't suggest that Microsoft should abandon Windows totally, only Vista. They could realistically retreat back to XP, backport any Vista features/improvements that are actually good, and start from there.

Honestly, I don't think the failure of Vista will come anywhere close to breaking Vista, but hopefully it will make hardware and software vendors question their strategy of only supporting Windows. If the future dominance of Windows is called into question, the developers may look to support other platforms instead. Then, hopefully, theoretically, you could have all the software you need running on Linux. In that case, Microsoft can still compete in the OS market, but they just won't be able to use vendor lock-in as such a huge barrier to switching to another OS.

Personally, I'd love to see vendors generally developing cross-platform solutions. Ideally, people should be able to choose their operating system on the strengths or weaknesses of that operating system, and not on the basis of what software it can run.

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772995)

The software isn't available precisely because people like you won't switch. It's a chicken-and-egg problem.

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (1)

Threni (635302) | about 7 years ago | (#20773009)

It was amusing. I especially liked "With Mac OS X hot on its tail".

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20773053)

Don't believe the mac commercials. The allow or deny stuff almost never comes up. When it does come up I'm installing something. To date the ONLY "problem" I've encountered with windows vista ultimate is that McAffe's antivirus (free from comcast) doesn't recognize it as a supported operating system (it does however recognize vista home premium at least so it's McAffe's fault for being idiots). I went from 2k to linux various flavors as presented by KDE mostly redhat, to Vista which is easily the best os I've used. The changes they made were really easy for me to adapt to, I thought it was superior to 2k in everyway that XP wasn't or annoyed me. Doesn't mean I think it's for everyone, nor should ever company go and overhaul their infrastructure. But it's a damn fine piece of os. Hell, it's the first computer I've ever purchased where everything worked perfectly out of the box. What's not to love about that?

Re:Freaking flamebait articles. (2, Interesting)

opticspy (1163159) | about 7 years ago | (#20773113)

Well I will say that Vista has it's share of problems. It's a resource hog, it's slow, it's way too expensive, and it's just not a good OS. I am a firm believer in Linux, and run it on my machine at home. I would much prefer to ditch Windows all together but can't due to the limitations of WINE, like you had stated earlier. So my solution would be for the software manufacturers to either make cross platform software that runs on Windows and Linux, or just put out a copy for those of us that use Linux.

Linux is FREE, you don't have to shell out your life savings in order to get it and use it effectively. With Mac, you have to go out and buy a really expensive computer that won't do anything you want it to do and who's software library sucks. Windows is just too expensive for people to want to pay for, and is just a cumbersome OS period.

That's about all I have to say.

It should, but won't happen (-1, Offtopic)

Titoxd (1116095) | about 7 years ago | (#20772689)

Yes, it should, just like Dubya should get out of Guantánamo too. Only neither one will actually do so.

~~~~

Second Edition (5, Insightful)

eepok (545733) | about 7 years ago | (#20772695)

Don't ditch it. There's no need to ditch it altogether. Release a "second edition" a la Win98, give some options to reduce bloat, work with major hardware manufacturers to make useful drivers, and work on general compatibility (back and forward). Then re-release the OS to praise and thanks.

Make it a logical step from XP so that companies needn't retrain their employees.

Vista is less important than Bill Gates... (4, Interesting)

Jennifer York (1021509) | about 7 years ago | (#20772701)

Losing the leadership of Bill is actually the devastating blow. Perhaps Vista is the result of his taking a less hands on role over the past year... When you lose the leader you change the face of the company.

All that being said, Microsoft is still a juggernaut, and they will continue for many years to come. My guess is five to ten years...

Re:Vista is less important than Bill Gates... (4, Insightful)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | about 7 years ago | (#20772937)

Losing the leadership of Bill is actually the devastating blow.

There is that and also the fact the guy in charge of development is throwing chairs. Not something to be done when your system is called Windows ;)

Seriously, while some nay sayers might be right they are often proved wrong in the long term. I am not moving to Vista, because I have no need and I seriously have to ask myself what went so seriously wrong. I am suspecting a certain arogance and disconnect with the user base. History has shown us that Microsoft seems to get it wrong every other release and then sorts it out. The way I see it is that people who want to use Vista will and those don't won't. Sure its an obvious statement, but it is one that seems to need repeating so often.

Millenium failure repeating itself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772711)

The vista story does look very similar to Windows Millenium to me. Today nobody remembers that OS anymore, maybe Vistas future will be the same...

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772717)

FIRST POST!

Mars rovers (5, Funny)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | about 7 years ago | (#20772721)

So, they may *outlast* Vista.

And, for a fraction of the cost.

DRM (5, Insightful)

Puls4r (724907) | about 7 years ago | (#20772725)

Why do so many people ignore the often-cited reason for not switching to Vista? DRM is invasive, restrictive, and ridiculous. Hard-core gamers went vista ASAP, much like file-sharers who got it for free. The universal response was either that they hated it, or that they didn't see an improvement.

I've had to trouble shoot computers with it on there. I repeatedly found myself wondering why they had changed things that were so simply on XP to be so complicated on Vista.

Microsoft won't "drop" Vista, any more than they "dropped" their most horrible other operating system - Windows ME *cringe*. They'll just move on. They've already wrote the system. They'll keep updating it. The real question - the critical one - is how long they will support XP. They'll need to continue to support XP until they get a system out that is an actual improvement, and not just a corporate-ass kissing piece of crap.

Re:DRM (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 7 years ago | (#20772807)

Er...they did drop ME. You will note, there were no more releases of windows on that kernel.

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772875)

Why do we ignore that reason? Because it's complete FUD. Vista doesn't add DRM to anything that isn't already protected by the content owner.

Vista added support for content that already has DRM, which isn't nearly as "invasive" as your trolling/ignorance.

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

compro01 (777531) | about 7 years ago | (#20773007)

and in the event that vista chose not to support it, how many media companies would be willing to shut out that much of the market?

Progress (2, Informative)

hlopez (220083) | about 7 years ago | (#20772737)

I started using Vista as a result of a new laptop. While ditching Vista and going back to XP was my first choice the lack of drivers for some of my components was a problem. Over the last 6 months the frequent updates, have made the operating more responsive and games run smoother. i belive Vista was shipped a year early but it is now catching up to where its nearing XP's usability. I say otherwise, Vista is here to stay and sooner or later, most people will be using it daily.

Re:Progress (4, Insightful)

Jhon (241832) | about 7 years ago | (#20772973)

but it is now catching up to where its nearing XP's usability.
Great. So, it costs more to run an operating system at or below the previous versions performance level -- while fewer hardware platforms are supported, too.

Let me upgrade now!

It's not *that* bad (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772739)

I'm a linux sysadmin. For work reasons (stupid software only runs under windows) I need to run Windows on my office desktop. I'm running XP here, Vista on my laptop, and Vista on one of my machines at home. Personally, I don't see what the problem with it is. Yeah, some stuff works a bit differently and things aren't in the places I'm used to seeing them, but on the whole it's not *that* bad. I'd take it over WinME any day.

Re:It's not *that* bad (1)

Gazzonyx (982402) | about 7 years ago | (#20772933)

[...]I'd take it over WinME any day.
I'd take a dull fork to the eye over WinME any day - what's your point?
I think Vista may well be Microsoft's newest ME; I think they'll release a decent OS next time around as they did with XP after ME sucked mightily out of the gates (no pun intended), the way Vista is doing now.

Re:It's not *that* bad (1)

stranger_to_himself (1132241) | about 7 years ago | (#20773003)

Agreed. I'm using it on a new laptop, and its certainly growing on me. It's shiny, it's stable, and it's fast enough, and I haven't managed to break it yet. But then I'm not trying to use older hardware or run anything very intensive, or make it work alongside any other operating system.

Re:It's not *that* bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20773051)

So you just sit there and watch the screensaver? Or do you just open a window and admire the pretty buttons?

I've tried to run numerous things on it and anything more intensive than "Hello, World!" brings it to its knees.

Feature bloat and reform. (5, Insightful)

mnslinky (1105103) | about 7 years ago | (#20772771)

From my limited perspective, it appears to me that Microsoft tries too hard to be everything to everyone. Other operating systems do not follow this plan. What you end up with is audio drivers slowing down network performance and a whole lot of feature bloat. Whereas I'm a FreeBSD/Mac OS X fan through-and-through, I have to admit Microsoft wouldn't be where they are if they didn't have decent product. It's just unfortunate to see them getting 'a little big for their britches.'

I'm sure we're just heading into something of a reform in the world of operating systems. I think that Vista is going to be just one of many casualties of competition. In the end, I feel the users will win.

Re:Feature bloat and reform. (1)

PCM2 (4486) | about 7 years ago | (#20773015)

From my limited perspective, it appears to me that Microsoft tries too hard to be everything to everyone.

In the world of restaurants, this strategy works for McDonald's. Think about it. There are a number of comparisons to make there.

Re:Feature bloat and reform. (1)

nine-times (778537) | about 7 years ago | (#20773081)

I don't think it's really that Microsoft is trying to be everything to everyone. It's debatable, but I honestly believe that the problem is their own monopoly. Once they entered the monopoly position, their business interests were no longer served by putting out the best product that would make things easiest for users and IT professionals. Instead, their business interests were best served by increasing vendor lock-in, making it harder to use their software with other platforms, and using market segmentation to try to make everyone spend as much as possible on a product that they inevitably have to buy in some form, leveraging their monopoly to establish themselves in other markets, and spreading improvements between many paid upgrades to keep people paying.

In effect, Microsoft is now forced to make crappy products in the name of "profitability", and the only thing that will get them to release good products again is sufficient competition to hurt profitability.

I've probably (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772773)

said it a billion times already, but Windows VISTA is the Windows ME of this generation. Instead of usability and features they added bloat and shiny!

FUD of all FUD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772781)

There is 0% chance of Microsoft abandoning Vista. If you don't like Vista, guess what, don't use it. Everyone I know that uses Vista likes it. I personally switched back from Ubuntu to Windows because I like Vista so much. It probably sucks on older and slower machines but on my own machine everything works great. For gaming and digital entertaining Vista is the best OS available. Nothing comes close.

Re:FUD of all FUD (1)

jcr (53032) | about 7 years ago | (#20772803)

There is 0% chance of Microsoft abandoning Vista.

Actually, it's a small but non-zero chance. At any rate, the author of TFA didn't say that MS would do it, only that they should do it.

-jcr

Microsoft should drop Vista? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772917)

Silly me. I thought they already had!

*rimshot*

No! It doesn't matter (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772783)

I really don't get the point of these commentaries. Yes, Vista is a bit of a dog's breakfast. Yes, companies aren't rushing out to buy it en masse.

But it's being bundled with home computers, and your average Joe is NOT going to know about the problems. If he's lucky, he may have a friend who recommends staying with XP for now. But for many, many people, they'll just buy 'the whole thing' from PC World and be running Vista.

Like a lot of things Microsoftish, it may not be a running success out-the-door (Zune, Xbox), but it'll slowly get a foothold until more and more people start using it. Vista is here to stay folks, and in five-or-so years, it'll be the dominant OS. Microsoft won't support XP forever.

(Posted on a Mac mini!)

Defective By Design (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772797)

'nuf said.

Unlikely (3, Interesting)

Baron_Yam (643147) | about 7 years ago | (#20772801)

Dumping Vista is unlikely, as the real driver for change here is revenue.

If Microsoft switched to a support model - cheap OS and bill for official MS tech support (or charge officially trained MS techs to keep their credentials via refresher courses and recertification) - they wouldn't need to force out a new product on a regular basis to make money.

Instead, we'd be seeing 'XP 2.0' coming out with incremental improvements and a whole slew of new support docs, training, and tech certificates.

Re:Unlikely (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | about 7 years ago | (#20772965)

If Microsoft switched to a support model...they wouldn't need to force out a new product on a regular basis to make money. Instead, we'd be seeing 'XP 2.0' coming out with incremental improvements and a whole slew of new support docs, training, and tech certificates.

Except "incremental improvements" don't generally require a lot of additional support. What do you do when Joe Blow has pretty much figured out how to use Windows? What do you charge for then?

Re:Unlikely (2, Insightful)

Baron_Yam (643147) | about 7 years ago | (#20773067)

Annual retests to maintain official certification. Doesn't matter so much to a guy like me sitting at one company long term, but contractors would more or less be doomed to pay - and a lot of corps would pay to keep their employees 'official'.

MS could even tier their tech support and charge (way) more unless working with someone with current certification.

Doesn't make sense. (5, Insightful)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | about 7 years ago | (#20772811)

This article doesn't make any sense.

Microsoft can't be sunk by people choosing XP over Vista. Those people are still paying for a Microsoft OS. Congratulations, you've decided to give Microsoft money instead of giving Microsoft money.

A lot of things could someday sink Microsoft. People choosing to buy one of their products won't be it.

(Unless one of those products somehow combusted and burned down a pack of orphanages, resulting in worse publicity and lawsuits.)

Hmm.. how to fix Vista.. (2, Funny)

downix (84795) | about 7 years ago | (#20772815)

What microsoft needs is some fixing. Let's go through their pile of technology and see... nope... nah... nada... a here we go!

Microsoft Vista: Bob Edition!

Nah, it will work out ok. (5, Insightful)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 7 years ago | (#20772827)

It will work out OK for Microsoft. Reminds of on old joke.

Guy goes to an astrologer and he looks at the horoscope, does lots of calculations and says, "Jupiter is in the same House as Saturn. And Saturn will stay in that House for 7.5 years. All through that 7.5 years, you will have misery and misfortune. Your wife will leave you. Your son will usurp your house and throw you out. You will lose all your wealth and fall sick. You will be miserable for 7.5 years."

The guy, visibly disturbed asks, "What happens after 7.5 years when Saturn moves out of the House of Jupiter?"

The astrologer shrugged and said, "You will be used to the misery."

Same way, in three years the miserable performance of Vista will be defined to be industry standard fast tracked and approved by ISO and users will use 4GB of RAM to browse the internet.

With Mac OS X hot on its tail???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20772829)

With Mac OS X hot on its tail
Huh? I know we all love to hate MS, but since when did OSX or Linux or anything else get "hot on the tail" of anything Post Windows ME? I'll bet Win 2000 still has a better market share (at least desktop) than OSX or any other OS. I would check my stats on my website, but the crappy stuff doesn't break it down by OS version.

Re:With Mac OS X hot on its tail???? (1)

Shag (3737) | about 7 years ago | (#20772871)

Agreed - nothing is really a threat to Microsoft's market share at this point.

And on the other hand, when it comes to security, usability, and technology, some will say that OSX and Linux aren't on Vista's tail, but miles ahead of it.

duh. (2, Insightful)

Plaid Phantom (818438) | about 7 years ago | (#20772833)

New operating system uses more resources than old operating system. People don't like change. The world is round.

Re:duh. (1)

caldaan (583572) | about 7 years ago | (#20773047)

I'm not sure if this is a joke or you are misinformed. However each version of OS X has had more features and ran better not worse on the exact same hardware.

So let me fix that for you:

New Microsoft operating system[s] use more resources than old operating system[s]...

How Software Companies Die (5, Interesting)

lobiusmoop (305328) | about 7 years ago | (#20772835)

This short essay [apocalypse.org] by Orson Scott Card (of Ender's Game fame) I think describes the development of the Microsoft Vista disaster pretty well.

Vista's Roots (5, Funny)

techpawn (969834) | about 7 years ago | (#20772841)

It's just cobbled together CE, ME, and NT versions with a new GUI. Though, they could of stuck with the first name... Windows CEMENT... Would of been far more accurate.

Re:Vista's Roots (4, Funny)

compro01 (777531) | about 7 years ago | (#20773077)

so it would be cheap, versatile, solid, and non-flashy?

The corporate lifecycle (5, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | about 7 years ago | (#20772845)

I doubt Microsoft will take Don Reisinger up on his suggestion, if for no reason other than sheer arrogance.

Companies kill me, it's a corporate lifecycle that we see again and again, and very few seem to learn from it. Once a company gets so big, it gets it in its head that it's invulnerable. It thinks that it can do anything it wants, and people will flock to it because it's the latest and greatest offering from the King of the (Whatever).

We see it now with Microsoft and Vista. We're also seeing it from Sony on its Playstation 3. Sony thought, "Of course people will buy the Playstation 3. It's a Playstation, for crying out loud!" Anyone remember when Hayes thought that they had the modem market locked up tight? Or when IBM didn't treat clones as serious competitors?

Usually, companies like this end up either going out of business, or at least eventually become relegated back down into the fray because they stop asking themselves, "What do our customers want?" and become totally focused on "What do we want?

I see the same thing happening before too long with Apple and its iPods and even Google, which as recently announced that it's going to start running image and video ads and plastering ads on its YouTube videos. Once a company starts thinking about its own interests over that of its customers, it's the beginning of the end of that company's dominance.

Of course, who knows? They might eventually pull a Nintendo. Go into a slump for a few years, learn from their mistakes, and come back out swinging. Historically, though, that is rare, and we are talking about Microsoft here.

Re:The corporate lifecycle (1)

mickwd (196449) | about 7 years ago | (#20773075)

"Companies kill me, it's a corporate lifecycle that we see again and again, and very few seem to learn from it. Once a company gets so big, it gets it in its head that it's invulnerable. It thinks that it can do anything it wants..."

Not just companies - it applies to countries and their empires, too.

Always look out for, and be wary of, people who tell you what you want to hear.

Anyone else notice the irony of that packaging? (1)

jcr (53032) | about 7 years ago | (#20772847)

Looks like someone in the design department was having a joke at their employers' expense.

-jcr

Hyped too soon (4, Insightful)

Aqua OS X (458522) | about 7 years ago | (#20772857)

If MS is guilty of anything, they are guilty of pushing and hyping and Vista too soon. We all knew that Vista wasn't going to be ready for prime time until SP1 or SP2. However, MS was overconfident and they shoved Vista down a lot of throats.

MS should've followed Apple's playbook. Release the OS according to it's already delayed schedule, let early adopter screw with it, but don't force the new OS on people who simply want new hardware.

Great article! (4, Insightful)

GMO (209499) | about 7 years ago | (#20772867)

"Of course, categorically dumping an operating system is quite difficult.." - I suppose it will be! When will Microsoft come to its senses and completely abandon its new Os on the basis of this sensible bloggers devastating comments?!!1!

"With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level.."
Of course! It makes such sense!!

This article is unmitigated crap, and I'm typing this on a MacbookPro, so I have a bias towards agreeing with the idiot.

I backrevd (4, Interesting)

blantonl (784786) | about 7 years ago | (#20772889)

Folks,

I've always been in the camp that admired Microsoft and their products. I was an OS/2 guy out of the gate in my career, and when Windows 95 was released I was blown away at how innovative it was when it came to a consumer operating system.

Fast forward to today. I waited about 4 months before going out an purchasing Vista for my primary Windows XP machine. When I purchased Vista, I opted for the Ultimate edition, and looked forward to working with it. After one month, I was so disgusted with the OS as a whole, I backrevd my machine to XP and have been happy ever since.

I then within the past month purchased a Macbook Pro at my local apple store, and have been thrilled with how easy MAC OS X is to use, along with all the associated software products. I converted my XP machine to a VMware image, and now run it in Fusion to support IE and Visio. I've never been happier with a computer or platform until now... reminds me of when Win95 was released.

It is clear that MS has missed the boat, and that either XP will be built upon and support extended, or MAC OS X and Linux are going to begin to take even further mind and market share. ..and in the IT Consulting community, the cache of owning a MB Pro is really taking hold.

It's disaster (4, Interesting)

Keruo (771880) | about 7 years ago | (#20772895)

We've tried deploying vista in a corporate environment, but were forced to switch back running XP.
Our company uses 3D design software which has been certified "designed for windows vista" for almost a year now.

Only problem is, that the particular software doesn't work on vista! (business edition)
At SP0 level, the design program installs, but doesn't start.
We tried upgrading to latest SP4 version of the software, and now it doesn't even install properly.
After spending +40 hours trying to get it to work, the support team responded to our request and told us to forget
running on vista before next version which will be available somewhere 2Q2008.

Long story short.. We cannot deploy an operating system which disables us from doing our core business, 3d modelling and design.
Good thing we bought XP with volume licensing so we can freely switch our new workstations preloaded with vista back to XP
and actually get some work done.

Verdict is in? (1)

Glowing Fish (155236) | about 7 years ago | (#20772897)

After reading many many Vista stories, last week I posted a comment [slashdot.org] on Slashdot, summing up what people's reactions to any "Vista Failure" story would be. And while I was right on my points, the comments to that story didn't have any of the Vista defenses that I was used to hearing.
Although Slashdot is obviously a pro-Linux site, for the first few months of Vista's release, there were plenty of people who would say "It works fine for me" or "It will catch on when more drivers are released" or "It will work fine with Service Pack 1", or the like. But there doesn't seem to be many defenders left. Is the Verdict in that Vista did, indeed, tank?

Re:Verdict is in? (3, Informative)

PCM2 (4486) | about 7 years ago | (#20773085)

Is the Verdict in that Vista did, indeed, tank?

Finally getting MythTV working with my remote, configuring my video drivers properly, and getting my SPDIF audio working were the final nails for me. Now Linux can do pretty much everything that Windows Media Center was doing for me before. I haven't rebooted from my Ubuntu partition in weeks. I find I'm far more efficient in this OS (even with the GL Desktop disabled!)

Is Ballmer single? (5, Funny)

RobertB-DC (622190) | about 7 years ago | (#20772909)

You know, the last time Microsoft rolled out an operating system that was a complete market flop [toastytech.com] , the developer had to marry Bill Gates [wikipedia.org] .

There are worse fates for a failed project's lead, I guess.

So the question now is: is Steve Ballmer single, or will he just take on a mistress?

Vista -- GWB of Operating Systems (0, Flamebait)

mlwmohawk (801821) | about 7 years ago | (#20772913)

Microsoft Vista is analogous to George W. Bush in so many ways. Arrogance, insecurity, spying, ineptitude, the list goes on.

Unfortunately, Linux is too much like the democrats, infighting, indecision, incapable of grasping opportunity.

Mac? Apple is just as evil, if not more so, as Microsoft, they just don't have the same amount of money.

sigh (5, Interesting)

MOMOCROME (207697) | about 7 years ago | (#20772915)

Such nonsense... flame bait: rabble rousing.

I've been using this 'abysmal failure' as a primary OS for 8 months with nary a hitch. I really have. I spend every day developing various codes with various tools, for what turns out to be many different platforms. Among a few others I have a Debian box and OS X 10.4 within reach, on equally capable hardware and I don't even bother with them. To the point where I'll probably power them down to save money on the electric bill.

I suspect all the bad mouthing comes from people trying to shoehorn the thing into old hardware, or from people who fancy themselves capable with PC maintenance but can't handle simple configuration issues. Or most likely, by people who only ran a shoddy beta or have never run it at all. I'd really like someone to explain why the OS that I'm using right now without any problems doesn't work and should be abandoned.

oh, I know, not towing the party line here will get me modded down quick. but aside from the excited FOSS fanatics here and a few ad-hit grubbing bloggopundits and the like, millions of people are getting along just fine with vista. hopping up and down while shouting about what a failure it is doesn't actually make it a failure. sorry to break it to you all.

Perspective. (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 7 years ago | (#20772919)

Windows ME. 'nuff said. Was in my opinion the worst commercial OS of all time. They flogged it for what it was worth until XP came along. Windows 2000 was available but primarily only to business customers. If you bought a DELL or any other computer (which I had the misfortune to do), you got Windows ME. It was like Windows 98, but slower, and more bugs.

While Vista may be a flop as far as sales are concerned, that speaks more to the acceptance of XP rather than to the quality of Vista.

I run Vista, and there are certain things I like, dislike, and stuff I can live with. As it gets more market share, and drivers and the like become more mature, it will get better I have no doubt. MS has been pretty good with patching, and they do have their work cut out for them in the future if they want it to take off. However they shouldn't give up on it, and they won't as they have spent too much money.

Xp is good. why not pump it up ? (1)

unity100 (970058) | about 7 years ago | (#20772935)

and i mean not with drm, but actually usable stuff.

even strip it a bit, get rid of non-os parts, get approval of eu in the meantime creating a lightweight os, sell it like mad.

Just another "jump on the bandwagon" article. (5, Insightful)

rrudduck (1148949) | about 7 years ago | (#20772941)

The real fact of the matter from those of us that use Vista everyday is that fact that it works just fine. My games play the same or better than they did in XP, my development tools run just fine, and the UI for once is actually nice to work with. Now call me crazy, but I don't find Vista bad at all.

As a software developer myself I realize the fact that OS's are large and complicated and they all have some issues. I use Linux, I use OS X, and I use Vista. Each has their own merits and their own problems. The problem is that now, just like it was popular in the 80s and 90s to hate IBM, its popular to hate Microsoft. News writers see this as a bandwagon they can use to get articles read and website hits. The real fact is that Vista has no more problems than any other OS at this point in its life cycle.

I truly wish that for the good of all of the tech industry, people would see that every piece of software, and every OS has its place. Vista does a lot of things well... It just happens to have a few flaws and a few "features" that just seem to go against the grain of the most vocal people in the geek world (i.e. DRM) and thus we see articles like this that are ridiculous and inflammatory simple for being as such.

Silly little diatribe (1, Insightful)

notaprguy (906128) | about 7 years ago | (#20772951)

I used Vista on four PC's - both at work and at home - and like it a lot. It's not perfect. Installing it on two older machines could have been easier. I had a few minor driver problems. But overall the experience is great - far far superior to Windows XP. I'm not sure why this guy has his panties in a twist but perhaps he should talk to more real customers and see what they think about Vista?

Oh Please. (5, Insightful)

MtViewGuy (197597) | about 7 years ago | (#20772987)

Didn't we go through this same issue when Windows XP first came out in 2001? I remember back then you needed 512 MB to make it run decently fast, and the "sweet spot" was 1 GB of RAM (both of which were not that common back in 2001).

The problem with Windows Vista is that the hardware has not yet completely caught up with the potential of the OS. Just wait till 2008, when machines with 4 GB or more of RAM become more commonly available and graphics cards that support DirectX 10 are more widely available.

Would it be that hard? (0, Troll)

MikeRT (947531) | about 7 years ago | (#20772993)

How hard would it be for Microsoft to delay Windows XP Service Pack 3, bolt on the new Vista GUI, and call it Windows 6? Seriously, the only thing about Windows Vista that is a major improvement is the new user interface. I don't know how others have fared with it, but I found RC1's user interface to be faster and more responsive on my laptop than XP.

The rest of Vista? Thus throw that trash onto the heap where it belongs. It brings **zero** value to the average user.

Tech-writers are like gold fish... (5, Insightful)

geeknado (1117395) | about 7 years ago | (#20772997)

Virtually every major Microsoft OS release has been plagued with issues(I think Win2K was relatively smooth). XP was plagued with issues prior to SP1(my boss-at-the-time managed to totally toast his laptop with it, as I recall). It had serious system requirements for its day, and chugged if you didn't have an appropriately potent machine. Now, XP is being touted as the 'good' Microsoft OS by many pundits, which seems tinged with irony to me.

That's not to say that Microsoft couldn't suffer losses in this generation, but it would be more about the presence of strong alternatives than their failure to adopt a 'move on' strategy.

What's really interesting about this /particular/ FUDy article is how quibbly it is. He appears to have three major complaints: the pricing scheme, specifically of the Ultimate edition, the UAC(and specifically, that it doesn't like a specific unnamed third party app which we're assured is from a 'well-known software company'), and DRM. We're not talking about blue screens and security holes here.

There is no compelling reason to move to Vista, and it seems obvious that waiting for SP1 is probably the right move for anyone who wants to upgrade. That doesn't mean that this OS won't succeed, however, and it's shown marked improvement on many counts since launch. Can we just call this FUD and "move on"?

Is it 2001 again? (5, Interesting)

Computershack (1143409) | about 7 years ago | (#20772999)

Is it 2001 again? I'm pretty certain that exactly the same mutterings were made about XP when it was first released. Oh yeah...they were.

Here's a few choice quotes from a 2001 "Techspot" review of Windows XP. They may sound familiar...

On installation...

Let me start off by saying the installation of Windows XP is long. When I say long, I mean REAL long. It took me over an hour to install on either test system!
On speed...

Well now, how does it feel you ask? It feels incredibly slow on the first system. That might just be an understatement. It feels ridiculously slow. If your system specs look anything like my first system, or even a little better, Windows XP is going to depress you.

To me, the speed thing is also a concern. The desktop moves a bit slower than a Win9x GUI, and there are still some worries about gaming performance.

On native drivers...

One quick note, XP did have drivers for the GeForce 2 card, but came up empty handed for the classic Voodoo2.

On whether to upgrade from Windows 98SE...

I really do not see a need to upgrade from Windows 98/ME. If you are building a new system, then by all means, install Windows XP. If you think that Windows XP is going to revolutionize the way you use a computer and surf the web, wake up and save your money.

And as plenty of recent Slashdot posts supporting XP have shown, we all know how short sighted the last quote was.

As I said, we've been here before in 1991 with Windows XP yet Windows XP is now touted as Microsofts greatest OS. I expect the same will happen with Vista and be said about Vista when Microsoft releases it's next OS in a few years time.

It's a OS that don't like Microsoft (2, Funny)

denisbergeron (197036) | about 7 years ago | (#20773019)

I have Vista on one computer at home, because the computer went with and it used by my children to play game. Must of old Microsoft games (last year game made for XP) doesn't work on Vista. But the funiest part, is that my two Microsoft mouse are the only mouse where I can't find driver to work on Vista, and they don't work at all!

So, Vista is a OS that don't like Microsoft.

The thing that bothers me about Vista... (1)

Krinsath (1048838) | about 7 years ago | (#20773029)

Is that in the same timeframe with the Xbox 360 Microsoft produced an actually-decent OS. Sure, it's purpose-built to run games...but is there any reason that a similar setup would not work for a PC? Aren't games a form of application? It's simple, clean, always accessible when needed and there's a "fixed" amount of resources that it will consume as a result, but the majority of the system is given to the desired application.

After all, an OS is simply an interface that gets users to the useful applications. I think Microsoft lost sight of that detail and tried to make Vista it's own entity. Now, the 360 had its own slew of issues...but the OS has been decently simple and easy to work with (most of the time).

Of course, comparing it to Vista isn't exactly setting the bar real high...but they at least have SOMEONE at Redmond that knows how to make an OS...or at least where to steal one. Let that team work on the next OS rather than the horrid "death by committee" fubar crew that seems to have produced Vista.

It's no ME (3, Insightful)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | about 7 years ago | (#20773033)

My main problem with Vista is that it is a resource hog. As far as I have seen, it isn't a flop in terms of capability like Windows ME was. The problem MS has is that standard computers are designed for low price. Most models still come with a gig or less of RAM and second class CPUs. On those machines, Vista doesn't run well. On a high-end dual monitor machine, it runs well.

The biggest problem they face is that a computer that runs Vista well still costs quite a bit of money. Leaving aside the obvious complaint that people don't want to waste so many resources on the OS no matter what they have, I'd think that waiting is the best bet for MS. Following Moore's law, it won't be too long before bargain PCs are fully capable to run it. Then, I think it would catch on better.

Re:It's no ME (1)

rrudduck (1148949) | about 7 years ago | (#20773111)

I find Vista no more of a resource hog than any other OS is. It runs smooth on my 1.4 GHz Pentium M with 768 MB of memory and it runs smooth on my overlocked C2D with 2 GB. If you go by the resource monitor sure it SAYS its using alot of CPU or resources, but it sure does seem to give them back the minute you are actually doing something thats needs it. I bet you if you timed the opening of any program or any sort of user interactivty, you would find it as fast or faster than it was on XP.

Used it? (2, Interesting)

Chicken04GTO (957041) | about 7 years ago | (#20773073)

How many of you slashdolts who swing off of linux's nuts have actually tried it?
Its WAY better than WinMe for sure. Is it worth upgrading to? Not really, but its hardly crapware.
Its actually faster and smoother on decent hardware...the only probelms I have had with it are driver issues (blame lazy vendors) and UAC is a nightmare.

Overhyped? yes
needed? no
shitware? hardly.

oh wait, this is slashdot, where everything MS does is either evil, or poopy.

while the masses wait for Vista SP2... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | about 7 years ago | (#20773083)

Ubuntu and OS X will both be getting even nicer. Nothing like a 2 or 3 year lead-time for your competition. Really, MS is giving Canonical and Apple a *gift*!

Now, let's hope the Excel 2007 team can learn basic multiplication in time for the next release cycle. I won't hold my breath - I found a very similar problem with Excel while testing it back in 1998. *shrug*

Editorials like these... (1)

bagboy (630125) | about 7 years ago | (#20773101)

make me wonder why Apple isn't capitalizing on this and releasing the x86 version of X for generic x86 systems. A co-worker managed to get a leaked (older) version running on a Dell Inspiron with full functionality. They are losing a great opportunity to gain market share. (Linux fan myself though.)
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