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Hacked iPhones Confirmed As Bricking With Latest Update

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the enjoy-our-new-service-plan dept.

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mhollis writes "Field experience has confirmed that if you have a hacked iPhone, it will become an iBrick if you use Software Update to install the latest update on your iPhone. The BBC reports: '[Apple's] warning has now proved correct as many owners are reporting their phones no longer work following installation of the update. Apple requires iPhone owners to take out a lengthy contract with AT&T in the United States but there are a number of programs on the net that unlock the device for use with other networks.' The only 'solution' is to unhack your iPhone."

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iPhone (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786531)

iDidn't buy one so iDon't care about iT.

Re:iPhone (5, Informative)

evan2645 (1128827) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786713)

it doesnt brick the phones, it just re-locks them... doing this would make the phone unusable in the UK, but definitely not "bricked" in the classical sense.

Re:iPhone (4, Informative)

davetd02 (212006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786767)

Engadget is reporting [engadget.com] that most phones are being re-locked, not bricked. Seems like that'd be the expected behavior: re-install the OS and it acts like a clean OS. Then if you want to hack it again you can hack it again.

Apple hates freedom (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786789)

Apple fanboys get a taste of what MS fanboys have dealt with for years. Viva la GNU\Linux!

Re:Apple hates freedom (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786883)

How exactly is that Apple hating freedom?

You hack the phone, you takes your chances. You knew the risks going in.

Oh wait, you're an idiot, never mind.

Re:Apple hates freedom (0, Flamebait)

allthingscode (642676) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787125)

You hack YOUR phone, and Apple says you can't do that. That's why this has a MS feel to it.

Re:Apple hates freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786967)

Apple fanboys get a taste of what MS fanboys have dealt with for years.
Except it's never been cool to use Microsoft products. B)

Re:Apple hates freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20787137)

It's not a troll. It is a concise stated opinion. Whoever mod it a troll, it is you that is the troll. Just waiting in the bush to pop out and pounce.

Non-hacked too. (1, Informative)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786543)

I've read that it's also happening to non-hacked phones too.

Re:Non-hacked too. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786621)

Where'd you read that?

in Wikipedia terms... (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786711)

"citation needed"

Re:Non-hacked too. (2, Insightful)

OriginalArlen (726444) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786745)

yeah, the BBC story [bbc.co.uk] has a link to this blog page with a lot of pissed-off posts in the comments [macworld.com] .

Me - well, I guess it sucks if you've paid a lot of money, and now you're surprised or something. "Real owner of proprietary system in taking advantage of rights SHOCK!!" It's like people acting surprised that Microsoft installed a stealth update that's wrecked a few systems, even when they turned off automatic updates. Perhaps a few more people will now understand why closed proprietary is intrinsically evil, regardless of whether it's actually convenient for you right now or not.

Re:Non-hacked too. (3, Insightful)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786867)

Intrinsically evil.... or possibly an erroneous fluke of a mess up best not to get upset about. Obviously the update wasn't meant to brick locked phones. If it did, it was an accident, not par for the course. My locked phone updated just fine. As with ANY software update, including open source ones, there will be a small number of systems adversely affected.

With a proprietary vendor you can take it back for repairs or replacement. How exactly will the "l33t dudes" in #linux on IRC help you in your time of need if you don't know how to fix your free software problem yourself?

This isn't Digg. Don't spread rumors. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786803)

Well, I've read that pink unicorns are real. That doesn't make it true.

Please provide a link to backup your statement. Otherwise you're just spreading rumors.

This isn't Digg-- please try to backup your assertions.

I read that, too... in the linked article (2, Informative)

sczimme (603413) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786805)


I've read that it's also happening to non-hacked phones too.

Yes, that was covered in the linked article. From TFA:

1) There are also reports of the update causing issues with unaltered iPhones.

2) Some owners are reporting on technology blogs and Apple's own forums that the update is deleting contacts information, as well as photos and music, on iPhones that have not been modified in any way.

Re:Non-hacked too. (5, Informative)

venicebeach (702856) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786843)

First you have to make the distinction between "hacked" and "unlocked". Many of us have "hacked" our iPhones to add third party applications, customize the interface, etc., but have not unlocked it to use with a non-ATT SIM card. It's the unlocking that really screws you. I've been reading all the forums on this to decide what to do about mine, and the vast majority of people who have hacked but not unlocked are able to apply the update with no problems; however it does restore your iPhone to factory state and you lose all your third party apps. The new firmware has not been cracked yet, so you can't as of yet reinstall them.

I have read isolated reports of people who have hacked/not unlocked phones being bricked and even nonhacked phones. In my reading it seems most of these folks had some sort of SIM issue prior to the update, e.g. replacing the SIM with a nonoriginal for some reason or another.

The unofficial apple weblog [tuaw.com] is reporting that despite warnings posted all over the apple store genius bar employees have been quietly swapping out bricked phones.

Re:Non-hacked too. (1)

torkus (1133985) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787051)

And how many people claim that MS is evil?

Apple = fail

Ok, so they are but at least they allow their products to be used as the users wish, not in the single, sole intended purpose designed for.

Apple is going to succeed in driving themselves out of the phone business pretty handily. People live and die (metaphorically, usually) by their cell phone these days. Make the same device include mobile internet, contacts, music/MP3 player...and break it. Watch how quickly they fall out of favor. A cell phone needs to 1) work 2) Work 3) WORK 4) do fun things and let people spend (waste!) money on ring tones, etc.

Honestly, this won't last and they'll just keep replacing phones for people. Apple's business is desperately dependent on their popularity (see price drop + rebate). They will play nice or fail.

Don't Update (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786551)

If you updated the second it was available and had an unlocked iPhone your just asking for it.

Any person with any sort of common sense would know now to run the update until someone else does.

Simple put....Don't update until you read the latest news.

Sue (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786567)

It won't be hard to prove this was deliberate destruction of private property.

Re:Sue + Class Action (0, Offtopic)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786793)

You forgot the words 'Class Action' in your subject title. I'm sure plenty of these hacked iPhone owners can get together and bitchslap Apple.

Re:Sue + Class Action (1)

geeknado (1117395) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786983)

On what grounds? They made the choice to install an update that they were warned would brick their phones. I suppose they /could/ sue, but it sounds baseless to me. It's not like we're talking about an auto update scenario here.

IANAL.

Re:Sue (2, Insightful)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786839)

>>> It won't be hard to prove this was deliberate destruction of private property.

Yeah, but who's property did Apple destroy. It certainly wasn't yours. Apple just let you use their iPhone. They are the ones that 'own' it. *

* (in this case, 'own' should be spelled with a 'p'.)

Not permanant then? (3, Informative)

Retron (577778) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786575)

The only 'solution' is to unhack your iPhone."
Interesting, so much for the "permanant damage" bit then that Apple was spouting!

It reminds me very much of the hacks that went on with the PSP a while back, whereby you could "brick" your shiny new console if you didn't know what you were doing with firmware updates. That one was finally solves by a hack involving accessing the service mode via a modified battery of all things!

Re:Not permanant then? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786687)

I think the OP means to unhack your iphone before the update. The danger is that a bricked iphone cannot be accessed, and therefore un-bricked. There are ways to unbrick phones, but they are not always successful. I'm not familiar with most of them as I've never bricked my TyTN (nor would I want to).

Re:Not permanant then? (1)

maestro371 (762740) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786691)

No one has yet identified a way to 100% reliably un-do the baseband flash that unlocks the phone. The dev guys say something is coming, but until then those with unlocked phones are out of luck.

Imagine that (3, Insightful)

photomonkey (987563) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786581)

As much as I hate AT&T, Apple chose to partner with them to distribute and provide cellular service for the iPhone. Given all the nefarious and legally questionable stuff AT&T has done over the years, are we really that surprised that they/Apple are taking active measure to prevent people from taking their iPhone to other providers?

I like a lot of Apple's products, but won't buy an iPhone until they are available through other providers. ATT& is pure, unadulterated evil.

Re:Imagine that (1)

motank (867244) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786721)

true; but you know, all the other telcos cooperated with the nsa ass well, it's not just at&t. if apple really wanted to start a revolution, they should've made it voip. but i guess that's not really practical right now...

Re:Imagine that (1)

joto (134244) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786899)

if apple really wanted to start a revolution, they should've made it voip

A revolution backwards then? You get GSM coverage pretty much anywhere, as long as it's reasonably civilized (i.e. you can see a road or a house). And you get WiFi where? At your home, office, and?

but i guess that's not really practical right now...

At least not untill it's voip over 3g or something, but then what would be the point?

It's not that I actually like the cell-phone companies, or anything. But when I have to choose between using their networks, or not, I choose to use them. It's just more practical.

Re:Imagine that (1)

torkus (1133985) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787101)

I think he was referring to sending voice calls over the data band on EDGE.

As for cellular VOIP, been there, done that. It's called the T-Mobile Blackberry Curve and UMA. Any time i'm near a TMO hot spot (eg starbucks) it pops onto UMA mode and calls go over that. So does 'net access...and at a higher speed too.

Thanks, but the Curve does for me everything the iBrick could...with a real keyboard.

Re:Imagine that (1)

megaditto (982598) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787097)

No, not all. The larger ones did, the smaller ones told the Feds to bugger off.

Re:Imagine that (1)

supercoop (871775) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786743)

Why even keep looking at closed proprietary as a solution and why not look into a more open [openmoko.org] alternative.

Re:Imagine that (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787069)

Mostly because the phone is barely functioning at this point. It looks like its going to be a great phone, but at present it is barely able to make calls or do the normal phone things. As the site says, it definitely isn't an everyday phone.

Personally, I am somewhat skeptical that it will ever be completed enough to use as an everyday phone. But if it does get to that point, there's a good chance that I'll pick one up, as it does look like its going to be quite nice.

Re:Imagine that (1)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786785)

Given all the nefarious and legally questionable stuff AT&T has done over the years,
"SBC is the new AT&T"...

That's not to say that SBC didn't do evil.

Re:Imagine that (2, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786815)

ATT& is pure, unadulterated evil.

AT&T doesn't exist anymore, except in name only. They were purchased by SBC about six(?) months ago. SBC then changed their name to AT&T.

Re:Imagine that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786905)

Up next, the new AT&T will claim rights to all forms of Unix.

Re:Imagine that (1)

walt-sjc (145127) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786947)

If you eat E. Coli contaminated lettuce, you can get sick too. SBC bought AT&T and assumed the name. The E. Coli is still in there...

Re:Imagine that (1)

James_G (71902) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786951)

AT&T doesn't exist anymore, except in name only. They were purchased by SBC about six(?) months ago. SBC then changed their name to AT&T.

Well, it's not quite that simple.. AT&T Wireless was bought by Cingular which then renamed to AT&T.. and then.. Well, let Stephen Colbert explain it [google.com] .

Re:Imagine that (1)

UnanimousCoward (9841) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786827)

It's not a question of Apple taking action, it's a question of what action it takes. Moral and legal issues aside, I'm wondering if they could have minimized the PR hit they are going to take or even spun it as a positive:

I'm wondering if the upgrade could have included re-flashing the firmware. Then, Apple could say, "Though unlocking voids the warranty, we want to provide you with the best and seamless iPhone experience--that includes incorporating the new features included with the upgrade. To take advantage of these new features, however, we cannot guarantee that an unlocking procedure or unlicensed third party applications will be preserved."

Re:Imagine that (1)

geeknado (1117395) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786831)

Most of the other phone providers are pretty crappy too...Who would you prefer tethering it to? I wouldn't consider buying an iPhone unless it actually was officially SIM-unlockable, myself. It's too much money invested to be tied to any vendor, and there're too many risks associated with having an unpatched internet appliance for my taste, so the hacking's right out.

The thing is, vendor lock-in isn't necessarily the reason these iPhones are being bricked. Apple is clearly striving for 'experience lock-in', hence the aversion to proper 3rd party software installations. Without more details about which hacked phones are affected(tfa was a little light that way), I think it's difficult to know how much we should lay this on AT&T's doorstep...After all, Apple produced the patch. In the best case, they're complicit rather than the instigator.

Not that you aren't right-- AT&T is teh evils and whatnot.

Re:Imagine that (2, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786887)

I'm tired of this "Apple's the bad guy bricking phones on purpose." They sold you a product that did X. They released an update for X that does Y. In their test labs they tested the update Y with product X. It would be impossible to test the firmware update with every single method of unlocking. Jobs likes to sell the 'whole experience'. He sold you a product that you knew before hand that it was AT&T only. If you bought the phone for the purpose of unlocking, WHY? Why isn't the same crowd crying fowl that every bug fix and software update breaks OSx86. You have to do near the same amount of hacking/tweaking to get OS X on generic hardware. Whenever apple releases an update something usually breaks.

Bad Car analogy:

I buy a brand new Chevy. I go home tear out the Chevy engine and put in a Ford engine. A few month / weeks later there's a recall on some part OR I go in for warranty work. The Chevy dealer is going to refuse the work.

Re:Imagine that (0, Troll)

jenkin sear (28765) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787119)

better analogy:

You buy a chevy. The dealer says you can only use Shell gas. There's no Shell station in your neighborhood, but you find a little funnel you can put on your gas tank lid that lets you put in Mobil gas. You go to the dealer to get your free oil change, they notice you put the attachment on your gas tank lid, and they pull out a shotgun and start shooting your engine. Why? they had a deal with Shell, and they have to enforce it or the deal's off.

Re:Imagine that (-1, Flamebait)

HexaByte (817350) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786973)

While Micro$0ft has always been about vendor lock-in via the OS and Office Suite, Apple has always been about vendor lock-in via the hardware.

Perhaps this will convince some Slashdotters that they are both self-serving big businesses.

Personally, I prefer people to use M$ products, because their constant problems keep me employed! :->

So now (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786585)

it's iCan't ;)

Bricks Are For Lobbing (5, Funny)

CheeseburgerBrown (553703) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786591)

I suggest attaching a nasty note and lobbing them through Apple's iWindows.

Re:Bricks Are For Lobbing (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786641)

Apple doesn't have Windows

Re:Bricks Are For Lobbing (1)

Das Modell (969371) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786829)

:D

Re:Bricks Are For Lobbing (1)

thegnu (557446) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786893)

Apple doesn't have Windows

They do in Apple boot camp.

Re:Bricks Are For Lobbing (1)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786979)

Hey, I'll be happy to take those 'bricks' off your hands. And I'll do it for FREE.

Reminiscent of Black Sunday (3, Informative)

Evets (629327) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786597)

This is reminiscent of DirecTV's Black Sunday - if I remember right, they put out an update on Superbowl Sunday that killed hacked receivers, and a good portion of unhacked receivers in the process.

Re:Reminiscent of Black Sunday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786985)

Hacked CARDS. The receivers were fine, but they wrote "GAMEOVER" onto some write once bytes (the first 8 of the card if I recall correctly). The hackers ended up making hardware that you'd plug your BS card into that would make the card function again.

My two cents: (2, Informative)

Upaut (670171) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786605)

A bricked iPhone can be returned for a full switch... Correct me if I am wrong, but its not like they can tell the phone has been "unlocked", as I have not opened this phone in any way, and as such have not voided any warrenty on the hardware.

In fact I think I will install this update, I have a small scratch on my iPhone driving me insane, which is not enough to warrent an exchange. A bricked iPhone on the other hand from a corrupt firmware, would...

I will have to explain to my family that they should *not* update the firmware if they want to keep using t-moble, at least until someone else figures out how to unlock the phone. Or I will simply install my backup copy of the current firmware, no harm done and all.

I mean, being able to play a few games while in airplane mode, having free personal ringtones ripped from our own media, using t-mobile, an ebay tracker, an application that uses cellphone triangulation to calculate your location on the map, an AIM client, a digital recorder for lectures and meetings, a quickbooks app, an ebook reader, and a NES emulator; are all worth more to us then having an itunes store on the phone that lets us know what songs are playing in our local starbucks... I mean with the tmobile 'total internet' package (for $19.95 a month), I can use the tmobile hotspot in my local starbucks, for speeds faster then EDGE.... A greater convinence in my mind.

Re:My two cents: (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786665)

3 degrees of separation from Vladimir Putin

Count yourself lucky. I'm 3 degrees of separation from Steve Guttenberg. Although it's 2 for Lee Majors, so I guess it evens out.

Re:My two cents: (1)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786897)

By unlocking the phone, you void the warranty, according to Apple.

Re:My two cents: (1)

crow (16139) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787131)

You mention an application that uses cellphone triangulation to calculate your location on the map. I haven't run into those before. Where can I find them?

And this can happen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786613)

I've used a third-party firmware on a number of devices at home and at work. Each time, I was fully aware that I could brick the device, and that subsequent firmware updates (for another part of the device) could 'brick' the device.

I would never expect the original manufacturer to support my hardware if it's running a third party firmware; although some savvy vendors will do this.

If some of these iPhone owners didn't understand this, they will soon. Consider it a learning experience.

This is a _GOOD_ thing people! (4, Funny)

gozu (541069) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786647)

I'm sick and tired of all the Apple bashing that hasn't yet taken place.

Look, Bricking hacked iPhones is the ONLY way to protect the AT&T network from collapsing under the weight of millions of replicating parasites and virii introduced into the carefully nurtured and fragile telecommunication ecosystem.

Also, if Apple does NOT brick the hacked iPhones, it will go bankrupt and we will all be condemned to using old 386 pcs with DOS 5.0 for our computing needs.

Also, the police might follow their example and stop investigation child abuse allegations too. WON'T YOU THINK OF THE ABUSED CHILDREN?

Thank you and death to hackers.

Re:This is a _GOOD_ thing people! (2)

Cythrawl (941686) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786753)

Ummm no...
How about it checks your phone, and if its hacked Dont install the update and deactiave the phone instead of breaking something that someone has PAID for with THIER money....

Then they could pay an Apple premium price to unlock thier phone and get the right firmware flashed back onto the device.

What Apple is doing is wrong

Re:This is a _GOOD_ thing people! (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786869)

The usual joke/your head graphic here. Whoosh, and all that.

Re:This is a _GOOD_ thing people! (5, Funny)

gozu (541069) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786889)

I didn't read the article, preferring instead to focus on posting as fast as possible and damn the accuracy, as per the slashdotter's handbook, v1.3b. But you are something else! Not only did you not read the article, you didn't even read the comment you were replying to! You, sir, are the true slashdotter. I am but a hack and a fool and I will now go into exile in the deep, moist darkness of Digg. Good luck to you, sir. May the great IT cockroach smile benevolently upon all your technical endeavors.

Re:This is a _GOOD_ thing people! (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786891)

You should lay of the substance D

I wonder...... (1)

Cythrawl (941686) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786655)

If there are now enough iBricks to build a iHouse?... Apple seem to be doing the "bad" thing more and more these days... Particulary when it comes the the iPhone.

Re:I wonder...... (2, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786853)

I built my iHouse out of iSticks, but I'm worried about the iWolf blowing my iHouse down.

Down with the pigs (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786661)

This is yet another example of The Man and his corporate fascists trying to keep the kids down. How long will we put up with this bullshit. I call for fucking in the streets. Right now. Preferably interracial, but whatever floats your boat.

Paging Daniel Eran of RoughlyDrafted... (4, Funny)

mattgreen (701203) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786695)

I want to see a thorough defense of restricting user choice on the net by this time tomorrow. Your essay must have no less than 1,000 words, at least three Zune references, and at least one reference to Ballmer throwing chairs. Bonus points if you make a reference to the Borg.

Also, don't forget the graphs and sound bites.

One stone, two borg... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787057)

and at least one reference to Ballmer throwing chairs. Bonus points if you make a reference to the Borg.

Doesn't one reference cover both?

Re:Paging Daniel Eran of RoughlyDrafted... (0, Troll)

Saint_Waldo (541712) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787115)

I want to see a thorough defense of restricting user choice on the net by this time tomorrow. Your essay must have no less than 1,000 words, at least three Zune references, and at least one reference to Ballmer throwing chairs. Bonus points if you make a reference to the Borg.

Which would result in a more entertaining and informative bit of text than your post. Thanks for playing Teh Intarnetz.

ownership of personal electronics (0, Flamebait)

davek (18465) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786707)

Could someone point me to when the US or world law changed to disallow the ownership of personal electronics?

How does anyone -- be it Apple Inc. or Script Kiddie Inc. -- think they have the right to hack into and disable any piece of electronic equipment which I own? Even if I should open the door for this through "software updates"? Would I have to explicitly sign away this right if I should choose to purchase an iPhone?

-dave

Re:ownership of personal electronics (5, Insightful)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786799)

Apple says "If you've modified your phone in an unsupported way, the next firmware update may brick it."

The firmware is released, and only installed if you allow it to be.

What is the problem here? Anyone who bricked their phone did it to themselves. Or are you just super-anti-corporate man?

Re:ownership of personal electronics (2, Interesting)

davek (18465) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786959)

Or are you just super-anti-corporate man?
No, but I do ask for some respect from the corporate man. I think it would be far more ethical (and IMO, legal) to display the following rather than bricking the phone:

"we see that you have altered your iPhone in an unofficial way. Further updates will not be available for your phone. Thank you, have a nice day."

dontcha think?

Re:ownership of personal electronics (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787081)

Ehhh... I think it would be nicer, but that doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong.

Re:ownership of personal electronics (2, Funny)

Larry Lightbulb (781175) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787085)

If it's my phone and I alter it, isn't this an official alteration?

They don't do that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786811)

Theyh're not hacking into phones and disabling them.

They're offering a new firmware update, and that new firmware reestablishes the AT&T SimLock (and has new security features to make it more difficult to unlock it). Some of the phones, locked and unlocked are being bricked by the firmware update, which is always a risk with just about any firmware update.

Absolutely (2, Funny)

gozu (541069) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786939)

A firmware update is a mystical experience that cleanses and purifies the soul of the machine, setting it on the path to higher functionality and bringing it closer to perfection. A few machines MUST be consumed by the holy fire, if there is no risk, there can be no reward. It's all in the book of mormon. Keep the firmware fire alive! Thank you.

Re:ownership of personal electronics (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786847)

Apple didn't hack into and disable the iPhone. You, or the user, applied the firmware update that broke the iPhone.

It is irrelevant that the firmware update was provided by Apple or a third party; Apple will only provide warranty service for their firmware update. You can totally choose not to update the iPhone; no one was forced to install 1.1.1 in any form.

Re:ownership of personal electronics (1)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786949)

Not owning one I don't know this for sure but does this firmware install when you plug it into the mac on it's own or does it ask first?

Re:ownership of personal electronics (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787091)

It asks; first if you should download, second if it should install.

Re:ownership of personal electronics (2, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787127)

It always asks.

The warning was public. The update is manual. Any bad result is entirely the user's fault. This is speaking as someone who's written and installed his own apps - I obviously didn't install the update, because I have more than one brain cell. There's far too many people with a lack of personal responsibility - actions have consequences, and if you can't cope with the consequences, don't do the action.

Simon.

Sell! (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786723)

Sell it and buy a different phone. Like a Palm Centro or Neo1973?

Given the reputation of U.S. cell phone carriers.. (1)

MeditationSensation (1121241) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786727)

..Apple should have started up their own cell phone company. ;-) Or at least bought some tower space (?) on an existing network. Then again, we don't know how much of this is Apple's doing and how is AT&T's.

Remember MusicMatch? Just wait. (5, Interesting)

Fished (574624) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786997)

Remember when the first generation of Windows-ready iPod's came out, which came with MusicMatch Jukebox? Steve extolled it's virtues ... only to release iTunes for Windows a year or so later. My guess is that Apple will eventually become a carrier, but just weren't ready to dive into that business Quite Yet. Just give it time, they'll stab AT&T in the back.

cue Nelson... (1)

tlacuache (768218) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786737)

Ha ha!

No Problem (2, Insightful)

bostons1337 (1025584) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786763)

Not a problem. There will be a new hack out within a month that turns your iBrick back into an iPhone. Just because you put a hole in a wall and someone patches it doesn't mean you can't put another hole in the wall.

Any iBricks on eBay yet? (1)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786769)

Or are the owners shipping them in for replacement or hanging on for a fix?

Explain this to me (1, Interesting)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786855)

Let's say I have an iPhone. I've hacked it so it now is using t-mobiles network. How is the update being applied then if it is no longer on the AT&T network? Is it because a person gets it from iTunes or something?

Re:Explain this to me (1)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786903)

oh wait never mind...in the summary...I can read really....:-(

Re:Explain this to me (1)

Christopher Rogers (873720) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786935)

Yeah iTunes downloads and installs it for you when it's docked and you click the "Check for Update" button.

Re:Explain this to me (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787055)

No, iTunes only installs it if you tell it to install.

Re:Explain this to me (1)

UberHoser (868520) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787031)

So why can't you uninstall iTunes ?

I'm an i-Phone and I'm a cellular phone (1)

skeptobot (1125355) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786895)

- I'm an i-phone - And I'm a cellular phone - I cost a lot and run on only one cellular network - I'm cheap and work with pretty much any service - I run lots of cool i-apps and have a big touchscreen. Steve jobs likes to present me on big projection screens. - I do what a cellular phone is supposed to do. i fit in a pocket and let people make and receive calls. - I turn into a brick when people hack me and unbrick when I'm unhacked. - You should audition for the next Transformers movie. Now excuse me, I have some important calls to make.

Ha ha ha ha ha! (1)

Hitchcock_Blonde (717330) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786919)

They warned you it would happen!

Apple iPhone hysteria (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20786941)

You bought that overpriced POS and now you whine it doesn't continue to work after you hacked it and Apple responded in kind with an 'update' to fix your hack? I feel so sorry for you, not!

*NOT* bricked! (5, Insightful)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 6 years ago | (#20786989)

Please people, let's quit talking like newbies.
If you drop your iPhone in the toilet, or if you microwave it, it will become bricked.

If you simply fudge it up, to the point where it needs to be restored, it is not bricked. Especially if all the other functions on it function.
I know that there are a lot of Apple haters out here, but we don't need to be confusing tech terms.

We all know what a brick is, and what a recoverable system is.

That being said, why the fuck would they apply an update to a hacked and unlocked phone? Hmm, maybe I'll remove my catalyc converter and ask my certified mechanic to keep working on it. You think he'd agree to that? (just to use a car analogy.)

Why do people update software on a phone? (2, Funny)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787013)

I hate to ask a stupid question, but I've had many cell phones and cannot remember ever updating the software on them. Even my blackberry hasn't ever updated. Why the iPhone? Are they trying to add right-click functionality?

They're not brick & Apple had no choice & (2, Interesting)

grouchyDude (322842) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787019)

1) Apple won concessions from AT&T that were unprecedented. Some of these were really good for users, like a cheap plan with unlimited internet access.

) Do do this, they had to make a deal with AT&T that included AT&T being the sole US service provider for 2 years. Unless AT&T has no lawyers (ha ha), you can be assured that the contract includes an obligation by Apple to shut down any hackers and keep them from opening the phone. Thus, Apple has not choice and will be forced to continue to stop hackers on the iPhone, even though insider's comments suggest people there may even personally like the activity.

3)The new firmware does not "brick" the phone. The use of this term reflects the large number of newbies who don't know what that means. It returns the phone to an unhacked state from which one cannot escape (so far). If you were not using a normal AT&Y iPhone plan, you can't use your phone until you sign up. This applies to phones that have been hacked even a little bit.

4) The new firmware may not be so easy to open up. My guess is that it will also be cracked, but I would not be surprised if it is more difficult than before since there are several things Apple can do fairly easily, and now they have an awareness of what they need to do. (Wherewas before it was very uncertain what hackers might emerge.)

Intent? (1, Interesting)

reptilicus (605251) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787039)

Is Apple deliberately bricking the phones, deliberately disabling the hacks, or are they just updating their own product the way they best see fit, which coincidentally mucks up phones that have been hacked? I've seen a lot of rhetoric assuming Apple is doing this on purpose for nefarious business reasons, but not much evidence to support it (would love to see some if anyone can provide it).

Does Apple have an obligation to keep your phone working after you've hacked it and violated your warranty? Should they make sure their updates don't affect any third party hacks? Is that even possible?

I'm not trying to defend Apple's increasingly annoying tactics here, but am curious as to how much effort people think Apple should put into preserving third party hacks?

...and.. of course... (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787059)

...and.. of course it's completely coincidental and not a single directive was given Apple's programmers to ensure the new software bricks hacked iPhones, right?

Not being an iPhowner... (1)

skelly33 (891182) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787095)

once you hack your phone and can do pretty much whatever you want... what's the point of getting updates from Apple? Hope that they're going to give you something great that the OpenSource community can't? Why not just disable updates to prevent accidental iBricking and then call it a day?

Strange (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787103)

How can Apple possibly consider this as a wise business move? Other phones can be unlocked, eventually (not soon, though) the US will have to migrate away from locked phones. This move will smear shit all over Apples image as a progressive, good faith company associated with coolness. It shouts out "We are First Class Assholes."

Apple showing flavors of evil (0, Flamebait)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787111)

The whole issue is a flagrant abuse of the free market system. Having exclusivity with a carrier is ok; forcing the exclusivity on the customer after they paid for the hardware is wrong. It's my phone, I should be able to use it anywhere after paying hundreds of dollars for it. Locking me into a carrier via hardware is contractually-sanctioned and obligated extortion.

I knew it ... (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 6 years ago | (#20787117)

The Mac guy is moonlighting as a stone mason.
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