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Linux Last in Deja Network OS Poll

Roblimo posted more than 14 years ago | from the take-it-with-a-big-grain-of-salt dept.

Linux 150

Kwikymart writes "A poll on Deja News of network operating system rates Linux dead last in all catagories. Funny thing is it rates the same number (1.7) in all the catagories (Scalability, Reliability, Administration and Cost). Looks like somebody that doesn't like Linux sure likes to write perl scripts!" That "somebody" also seems to like GNU Hurd a whole bunch; it was the top-rated network OS. ;-)

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Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424149)


Well, I would imagine that the Microsoft people are busy, you know, creating wealth and prosperity for themselves and the public at large instead of wasting their time stuffing an e-ballot box.

I am disappointed in the zealot Linux community though, they should have spiked this poll in FAVOR of Linux long ago...you know, to keep the hype up.

poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424150)

Let them spread FUD about linux. The more popular linux gets, I suspect, the more virii for it will be written. Remember, the worm infected unix systems.

Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424151)

Considering a court of law has shown that Microsoft engaged in actions to transfer massive amounts of wealth from honest Americans I must ask who are they they creating this wealth for? Surely not the people they've gouged. Oh wait I think you mean Caldera? The company likely to end up owning Microsoft-)

Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424152)

Hmmm. Only five comments on NT Server actually rated above the average (. 58 people commented of 5267 respondents. That's a little more than 1 percent. So I (unscientifically) estimate that about 600 people gave above the average ratings. I'd like to know if nearly 4600 gave close to 3.8 rating to keep the average from being pulled down. Hmmm... Y2K? ;-)

Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424153)

You can not begin to imagine HOW MANY TIMES I have hit the reset button to keep the linux hype up.

My finger may have to be amputated.

17th post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424154)

linux sucks freeBSD forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424155)

s/reset/refresh/

ive been up all night.

How can you make a secure poll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424156)

Use cookies? Oh, Plueeeze!

Use source IP addrs? That would mean one vote per proxy server (or NAT router.)

Re:Hmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424157)

No GNU/Linux? Than explain this:

# uname -a
GNU/Linux squirmy 1.1 SQURIMY#245 i386

4.4 bsd gets...4.4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424158)

Coincidence? maybe. amusing? absolutely.

Agree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424159)

if you had a chance to look at the very early results you find a pattern of votes among bsd, linux and nt - the votes were in similar range of 4000-6000 but the results were very biased, some bsd script kiddies were having fun with the poll

And the rest of the survey... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424160)

They say A/UX and AIX beat Linux in all categories... What the hell is wrong with these people? AIX 4.x lets you get into it's drawers faster than ginger lynn on X. This is mortifying.

Re:17th post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424161)

sure it is good for manipulating polls for 3 yr old kid like you

Re:How can you make a secure poll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424162)

If somebody wants to stuff a web ballot box nothing will stop them. If you ask them to write a comment with every vote they will write a random sentance generator.

Stallman Says ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424163)

Stallman says stand on your head.

Stallman says bow to me.

Stand up. Aha! I didn't say Stallman says ...

Re:The date on this story . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424164)

Go away motherfucking karma whore. Who gave this idiot 2 points anyway?

Re:go away idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424165)

were you talking of yourself in the third person or something?

Re:17th post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424166)

Oh, my! The censors must all have hangovers.

Re:17th post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424167)

That was some party! My Linux box shows the date is April 1st! Anyone got anything different?

Re:go away idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424168)

Moderate him down for what? It's not offtopic, flamebait, or a troll. Unlike you. Karma envy is so embarrassing.

Re:How to spoof the poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424169)

You are a moron.

Re:go away idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424170)

But it is redundant. Not score -1 redundant, but definitely not score 2 material either.

But who really gives a shit..?

Maybe there is a better OS than Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424171)

Hell, there are probably a lot of OSs better than Linux. Why does everyone here feel compelled to attack anything that isn't hopelessly pro Linux? A little defensive perhaps?

Slashdot - open source, closed minds.

Re:go away idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424172)

People with a base score of 2 have historically proven themselves worth of being listened to. They should not be penalized for having been right.

Deja /.ed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424173)

Linux is now at straight 3.2s at 9447 ratings .. deja is getting slow and flaky ..

Maybe a couple of you should ^c those perl scripts?

Re:Maybe /. should stop posting links to polls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424174)

I hate Pokemon. This fad is as stupid as the Furby craze or slogans such as "Got Milk". Never mention it again.

Re:NT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424175)

OM, NT is perfectly stable *if* you know how to configure it. I've had this debate with so many people it's not funny anymore. I can make linux unstable, and NT stable. It all has to do with the quality of the hardware and low-level code you run. I've seen beta xservers do some NASTY things to a linux box. I've also seen NT boxes stay up in heavy use production situations for 9-12 months (before we decided to get a new box). I use every operating system (well almost every OS) and they *all* have their good points and their bad points. Generalizing and saying Linux is more stable than NT is like saying that (euro) Import cars are faster than domestics. Usually it's true but there are always exceptions.

Re:Deja /.ed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424176)

What do you expect? Deja runs on Linux. Of course it's going to be slow and flaky.

the result were already screwed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424177)

Before someone post the question on LinuxToday the result were already screwed, thats why someone asked the question.

Re:Reliable compared to what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424178)

And don't forget, 90% of Linux users compare themselves to NT, that is why they think they are so reliable, and all they care about is GUI, skins and quake.

hEH hEH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424179)

oH NO!!!!!!!!! Linux finally got the appropriate score it deserves. (cue for all the hax0rz to load up their scripts and try to bring it up, since in a fair 1 vote per person environment linux would stay dead last) (cue again for some ex truck driver to boast how linux is sooooooo fast on his 386 with 8 ram) we're talking about real machines here not stuff you find in a garbage dump. ever wonder why in any professional benchmark linux gets defeated by NT or whatever? (because its faster?) of course when that happens 1304893049039403 LiNuX hAX0rZ will start talking how its politics and how its funded by the evil empire, but remember mindcraft, all the LiNuX haX0Rz were allowed to customize the machine so it would be fair and guess what.... THEY LOST AGAIN. gee. LiNuX RulEZ (but only on my 386)

Re:Gee, I wonder why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424180)

exactly what i think

What's the point in spamming webpolls? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424210)

Maybe I'm just getting old, but what's the point in stuffing the web.ballot.box? I don't think anyone takes these
polls seriously, and most of them seem to be vulnerable to trivial attacks. It's a low-skill hack on a low-value
asset, so I can't see anybody scoring major reputation points by doing this.


Actually, if you wander over to Daemon News' article "BSD Rated Number 1 OS" [daemonnews.org] , you'll find that the *BSD people took that poll quite seriously (at least when we were winning it ;-). Of course, people tried to point out there what crap it was too, but didn't seem to get anywhere.

doh (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424211)

This is one of the weaker poll systems I've seen. Once you've submitted a mark, you can sit on the "refresh" button and the same mark is entered again, and again, and again... I bet micro$oft use the result in one of their publicity/linux-bashing campaigns.

Re:What's the point in spamming webpolls? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1424212)

Look at Cnet and Corel. Corel spent weeks [likely still are] touting the fact that Corel Linux and Wordperfect for Linux were the #1 and #2 downloads from Cnet. The stock price rallied on the news. Hell I didn't even know you could get Linux stuff from Cnet. But it doesn't take much to get the weak minded to run out and buy based on the hype. If you need proof just look at all the people who lined up to buy Win/98. A defective product to replace a defective product.

Who the hell cares? (3)

zztzed (279) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424214)

Okay, so maybe I'm just crabby and bitter(er than usual) because of all the idiots in my neighborhood playing with fireworks till 3:30 in the morning preventing me from sleeping, but honestly, who gives a damn if Linux is last in Deja.com's network OS poll? How is this news? The world's not going to end because of it. The sun will continue to shine, the earth will continue to spin, and LIFE WILL GO ON.

...But like I said, maybe I'm just bitter.

Re:I know when to take a hint... (1)

Elvii (428) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424215)

Actually, it should be:

if ($post eq 'not funny') { # Do whatever }

but seeing as that's perl, it can be pretty much anything it wants to be. :)


bash: ispell: command not found

I know when to take a hint... (2)

Elvii (428) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424216)

Last. Well, that's it, I'm fdisk'ing all my systems and installing the "unstoppable" Windows NT. I'd install Hurd, but I like my bugs professionally programmed, thank you.

BTW, the unnamed catagory linux seemed to have scored first in is being consitent. :)

if (post == 'not funny") {

&Re-read(@slashdot);
} # That or I'm just drunk atm!

David

bash: ispell: command not found

possible /. bug? (3)

Elvii (428) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424217)

As I type this, the last article (Am I Alone) has a sid of 00/01/01. This article, posted later, seem to have a sid of 99/12/31 ? Though the intro line bit does say 4:10 am, jan 1 2000, hmm....

Had a few to drink, but double checked these numbers... right as of 5:40 pst... maybe /. needs more y2k checking. :)

bash: ispell: command not found

Remove the space: "PDID=5281" (2)

Paul Crowley (837) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424219)

/. automatically inserts spaces in long things with no spaces to stop people screwing up the formatting on purpose; unfortunately this can break URLs. Take out that space and it'll work...
--

Re:Remember when... (1)

sQuiNky (1079) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424220)

Try Dejafilter, available at http://industrialsoftworks.com/dejaf ilter.php3 [industrialsoftworks.com] .
It's a nice Perl script which filters out all the great "features" which Deja likes to put in their pages.

Polls (2)

httptech (5553) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424225)

Ok, we all know web polls are worthless. But Deja is trying to pass itself off now as a source for hardware/software reviews, and the average user is going to look at that poll and say "Gee, Linux must not be that great after all" without even reading the comments, which are mostly positive.

Unfortunately the way the comments are posted, it's hard to refute some of the FUD that's been inserted in there because there is no opportunity to answer a specific review, because you don't know where your reply would even end up in the sequence.

Deja needs to take a hard look at their polling system and work out these kinds of issues if they want people to take it seriously. Perhaps even a form of user moderation ala Slashdot is in order here.

Speaking as a Deja.com employee... (5)

Anonymous Coed (8203) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424228)

A few points.

1. We love Linux. The site is run almost exclusively on Linux and all the techies have a KDE or other Linux desktop to do development work.

2. We are well aware that it is possible to spam the rating votes. Thank you for revealing this huge, well guarded secret! We might as well fold up and close the site down due to this amazing detective work. {/sarcasm}

3. We do in fact have robot-vote-scrubbing software, and these votes against Linux will probably be detected as robotic before long and removed from the system. That's just my guess, it's not really my department.

4. If you're using Deja ratings to decide which MP3 player or toaster to buy, great. That's really what they're designed for. If you're using a simple 4-category self-selected numerical vote to determine which NOS to deploy across your enterprise, you need to have your head examined.

5. We may not have many 'Deja only' forums to discuss Linux in, but we certainly carry comp.os.linux.*!

Even when not vote stuffed, these are meaningless (2)

Colitis (8283) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424229)

Last time I looked at one of these, it had all sorts of absurdities such as BeOS being rated above Windows 95 for application availability etc. Okay, it could have been a BeOS fan vote-stuffing but more likely it's just a combination of people not thinking at all carefully, wishful thinking (at least where Be apps are concerned) and total subjectivity of the assessments. It's like trying to describe pain to your doctor - "it's sorta like really sore, about here, feels kinda a dull pain" - your description of exactly the same pain probably isn't going to match anybody else's.

Plus the fact that with the obscure operating systems, the only people likely to be voting are the BIG fans of those OS's...this will skew results even more.

Re:Speaking as a Deja.com employee... (1)

V. Mole (9567) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424230)

4. If you're using Deja ratings to decide which MP3 player or toaster to buy, great. That's really what they're designed for. If you're using a simple 4-category self-selected numerical vote to determine which NOS to deploy across your enterprise, you need to have your head examined.

Then why bother with the poll at all? It can be trivially spammed, and serves no purpose.

Accuracy (2)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424231)

I think the accuracy of this poll is summed up by the fact that I just gave BSD a rating, and it immediately jumped up to #1.

One doofus reloading over and over until Linux comes up, then entering "1" on all categories, can affect a lot of change in the standings. Ignore it.

The Comments tell a Different Story (1)

specht (13174) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424232)

If you read the comments posted by the participants of the poll then the stopy looks different.

The general opinion is that Linux is the best OS! I guess that somebody from the Evil Empire run a bot that scored Linux down - or we are dealing with a bad case of Y2K bug :-)

Huh? (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424233)

NT is absolutely slaughtering Linux in the e-commerce market. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but most people don't want to make their own server to get things done. That's why Microsoft is cleaning up the e-commerce market with all the e-commerce tools available for NT, while Linux is just reinventing the wheel. Obviously, all those customers don't have problems with NT stability -- and that's because they're actually using it instead of getting their information from a Slashdot script kiddie who claims that he gets a BSOD everyday.

And really now, uptime? This is such a canard. Those of us who keep up with the latest improvements are happy to reboot to use a new kernel. Which do you think is more important to businesses: using a more mature kernel, or masturbating while they type "uptime" over and over?

Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com

Gee, I wonder why (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424234)

Maybe it's because places like Linux Today and Slashdot obsess over polls and steer people to them, as this article shows. It's a pretty sad and embarrassing inferiority complex if you ask me.

I don't remember any Windows newsletters/websites/etc. ever telling people to go vote in "Best OS" polls to inflate Windows's numbers. Perhaps they're just happier with their choice and don't need a web poll to help reassure them that they didn't make a bad decision, like Linux, OS/2, and Mac users apparently do.

Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com

Slashdot's interest in polls points to a market. (1)

zCyl (14362) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424235)

The fact that there are so many readers from Slashdot with an interest in seeing development tools ported to Linux is evidence enough that there is a market. A lot of people who post here seem to think that the general Slashdot reader is a 12 year old with a $5/week allowance. Well, news flash, a lot of us have both personal and professional purchase power.

Maybe /. should stop posting links to polls (3)

Skinka (15767) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424236)

Ok, maybe this poll was way unaccurate (or maybe not), but sending 10000 Linux zealots to "correct" the poll is not going to make it any better. Every time slashdot links to a poll the results get skewed and the poll becomes worthless. Remember when Inprise/Borland did their poll of if their development tools should be ported to Linux? They had to disregard most of the votes that came in after slashdot had linked. And this was not a poll about who is your favorite Pokemon character, but valuable market research.

Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (1)

Petrus (17053) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424238)

According to Deja.Com pool Microsoft NT Server is the best Network Operating System [deja.com] Linux is the worst. This is in sharp contrast with pool for the Operating System [deja.com] , where Linux ranks best and all Microsoft product lags at the tail. I don't think that both pools can be honest. Looks like BSD script kiddie rather than Redmondians.

Re:It's only a poll! (3)

Oates (18921) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424239)

My wife did that. Once in Nov-Dec 98 and again in Nov-Dec 99.

Her biggest complaint about Linux in '98 was that it didn't have a lot of the software she considers essential (Eudora, AIM, ICQ) and many features of the software she tried (Tk/TOC for AIM, early GICQ, KMail and Netscape Mail) were missing.

A year later (and an eMachine bought in March), GICQ is still missing a few features, but it looks and feels a little more like ICQ from Windows. GAIM is a decent replacement for AIM in her opinion, and she's using TkRat for e-mail.

Her biggest complaint today is that KDE doesn't feel consistent--really, she's complaining because Netscape uses its own Motif-like widgets, GAIM and GICQ use GTK widgets, and TkRat uses Tk widgets.

Arghhh! Now, she wants an iMac. The reason: everything will look and feel consistent, and she'll be able to use Eudora again, official versions of ICQ and AIM, and she can even get IRC and MUD clients for it. Oh, and she wants the eMachine to turn back into a Windows box so she can use Microsoft Publisher again. Ironically, she doesn't want to use OS 9--she wants Mac OS X with the BSD core.

In summary, her end-user testing said that for Internet power-users, Linux/Mandrake 6.1 isn't up to snuff...yet. But it's a hell of a lot more usable and closer than it was a year ago.

Me? I'm waiting until her Mac starts crashing and I get to put Yellow Dog on it.

Chris

Re:doesn't matter? You seem to pay attention (1)

QuMa (19440) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424240)

He doesn't care about the poll. He does care about whether people think the poll matters.

Poll: Linux vs Microsoft (1)

scjody (19861) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424241)

In an article [linuxtoday.com] on Linux Today, someone commented [linuxtoday.com] that Linux would win even a poll with just two buttons: "Linux" and "Microsoft". To test this, I setup a poll [clan.net] . The only place I have advertized it is in a Linux Today comment, and (for fairness) a ZDNET NT forum.

Note: my DNS is currently down. Use my IP address. [24.226.17.33]

Re:I know when to take a hint... (1)

barzok (26681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424245)

Shouldn't that be

while (post == 'not funny") {

Linux now up to 3.1 (1)

bafful (27467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424246)

Someone who does like Linux seems to like Perl scripts, too. Well, it could also be a "human Perl script", consisting of a few thousand Slashdot readers who think it's important to vote there.

Re:Speaking as a Deja.com employee... (1)

bafful (27467) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424247)

4. If you're using Deja ratings to decide which MP3 player or toaster to buy, great. That's really what they're designed for.

Sorry to say that, but if you're using the Deja ratings to decide anything, you're just plain stupid. Even without someone intentionally pushing the result he wants, there's just no real substance in there. You could as well ask the next person on the street, "Which toaster should I buy?" and base your decision on that.

Re:Polls (2)

Nodatadj (28279) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424248)

What is deja trying to be?
I mean, I know it's a way to search usenet
but looking at it's front page tells you nothing.
They're trying to pass off as a new portal
and hide their main asset which no other portal anywhere has.
I mean, does it look like the search box will do anything useful like search every usenet post?
No, it looks like it does piss all.

Re:It's only a poll! (1)

Khalid (31037) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424250)

Go figure women :)

Linux possibly defamed somewhere! (5)

Hobart (32767) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424251)

Isn't this exactly the sort of article that should get the "Jihad! JIHAD!" penguin icon [suck.com] from Suckdot [suck.com] ? :-)

Re:Poll: Linux vs Microsoft (1)

nutsy (33125) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424252)

Just for completeness's sake -- what's the address of the zdnet NT forum where you advertised it?

Not meant to be a flame.... (1)

Alphix (33559) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424253)

But do you think the fact that a Deja poll has been polluted is considered "News for nerds, stuff that matters"?! If you do think that this is stuff that matters you probably had too much champagne on new years eve ;)

The "value" of Deja ratings (3)

StenD (34260) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424254)

All this "poll" demonstrates is that Deja ratings, just like any other poll where the pollees select themselves, is essentially meaningless, especially when the tally can be trivially stuffed.

In a different arena, Comics Buyers Guide used to permit anyone to vote for their annual awards using copies of their ballot. This lasted until the year of the Duckslide, when Carl Barks fans openly stuffed the ballot box and won all but one of the categories (Barks didn't have any painted comics published that year). As a result, they now require you to use the original ballot from the CBG. The ballot can still be stuffed, by buying large quantities of the CBG, just like reliable polls can be rigged by careful wording and ordering of questions. Open voting is a nice idea, but it's trivial to abuse, and we really don't need to get worked up over it.

Re:The Comments tell a Different Story (1)

musique (35188) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424255)

I don't think so. Visual J++ was rightfully listed as the worst Java environment on Deja.com. Now it seems they've move J++ from a Java environment to Windows development environments which is more appropriate, at it is second to last there [deja.com] . The Borland/Inprise environments are listed as the best. Even MS C++ is rated very low (I would agree after reading benchmarks in a recent Linux Journal). So, I doubt is MS is flooding Deja.com pools with good comments!

Re:The value of Deja ratings (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424256)

All this "poll" demonstrates is that Deja ratings, just like any other poll where the pollees select themselves, is essentially meaningless, especially when the tally can be trivially stuffed.

Also the poll "results" don't tally well with the comments of the "voters"

Re:The "value" of Deja ratings (1)

lyonsj (51249) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424261)

I agree. The problem is, I know people who actually *check* the Deja ratings to see what others think of things. I mean, sure, everyone on /. knows how easy it is to rig these, to write a script to vote again and again for your favorite (John Linnell one of the most beautiful people, anyone?), but your Average Joe or Jane doesn't.

I guess I shouldn't care about it, I just find it frustrating that something so utterly useless in terms of providing actual information, but which purports to provide useful information for people making choices, should exist. 'Course, I guess, half the things that are supposed to tell you what to buy are rigged anyway....

Re:What's the point in spamming webpolls? (2)

Tom Christiansen (54829) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424263)

Moreover, the media, should they ever catch wind of this, will surely refer to it as a `hacking incident', as they have before in similar situations. It would be unfortunate to see Freenix and hacking tied together that way.

Re:Polls (2)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424266)

Hey, a non-drunk-sounding post ;-)

I have to concur ... I've told people to go to Deja on many occasions and they're befuddled because they don't know what its about by looking at the page at all....

They sure do! (1)

Shanep (68243) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424267)

I was thanked for my commenting on the "Sony Playstation"!

Could I have started a "Sony Linuxstation" rumour? :)

Re:doesn't matter? You seem to pay attention (1)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424269)

OS/2 was #1, with BSD as #2, Linux #3
Then BSD was #1, with Linux as #4
Then Windows was on op, BSD #2 and Linux as dead last.
For someone who believes it doesn't matter, you seem to pay a lot of attention.
_________________________

Re:Microsoft isn't all that evil . . (1)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424270)

Judge Jackson would disagree with you.

_________________________

The date on this story . . (2)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424271)

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/12/31/234221 &mode=thread

The URL(I) linking to this story is using a very interesting date.
I wonder if this will effect how the stories are archived at a latter date?
Will a story search in Feb turn up a tons of stories on New years eve, and nothing in Jan and Feb?
Just curious.
_________________________

from the take-it-with-a-big-grain-of-salt dept. (2)

Money__ (87045) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424272)

Roblimo was right when he posted the story with the following header:

from the take-it-with-a-big-grain-of-salt dept.

There ya go.
_________________________

The Poll had MANY 'winners' (2)

mr (88570) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424273)

If you had been tracking that poll for the last weeks.

OS/2 was #1, with BSD as #2, Linux #3
Then BSD was #1, with Linux as #4
Then Windows was on top, BSD #2 and Linux as dead last.

Anyone who things that poll says ANYTHING useful, is delusional.

Deja is flawed... (1)

Redking (89329) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424274)

I wouldn't use Deja for recommendations on buying anything. They don't have a good system for ratings/recommendations.

If you're looking for recommendations on lots of stuff like books, movies, computers or travel destinations, etc... go with Epinions.com

If you sign up for Epinions.com, please use me a referral: redking

Thanks.

Something fishy (1)

syusuf (91554) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424275)


Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lack of Linux interest on Deja in general. If you go to Home >> Computing&Tech >> Software >> Operating Systems >> Discussions [deja.com] there seems to be a zillion MS windows forums but hardly any Linux ones!

I don't use deja, so mabye I'm just doing something wrong...

What's the point in spamming webpolls? (1)

Mr Neutron (93455) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424276)

Maybe I'm just getting old, but what's the point in stuffing the web.ballot.box? I don't think anyone takes these polls seriously, and most of them seem to be vulnerable to trivial attacks. It's a low-skill hack on a low-value asset, so I can't see anybody scoring major reputation points by doing this.

Ach, maybe it's just that I've been at work for 13 hours now and the only Y2K-related problem I've seen is that some kind soul turned off our NT domain controllers "just in case." Preventing all your users from logging on is one way to make sure they don't dork up the system...

Neutron

Re:Maybe /. should stop posting links to polls (1)

tc (93768) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424277)

And Inprise/Borland thought they were getting valid data before slashdot linked? Wow. Anyone who believes that self-selecting polls ever give valid results needs help.

Reliable compared to what? (1)

Talla (95956) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424278)

I think one of the problems with such polls is that NT users will compare to Windows 9x, while UNIX users will compare to other UNIXes. What they should be asking is number/length of downtime the last year etc.

Re:Happy New Year (1)

dyslexia (96008) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424279)

Why a -1 score? It's supposed to be funny.

Re:NT (0)

Oxide Maker (99549) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424280)

Stability and freedom baby..... your NT aint worth nothing when it comes to stability.

Re:It's only a poll! (1)

madmancarman (100642) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424281)

If you set up an iMac properly, and stay away from USB CD-R drives, there's no reason it should crash at all under Mac OS 8.6 I know that OS 9 is out, but I'm still waiting for all the bug fixes to be released before I make the plunge. The iMac gets a lot of flack for being a cute machine, but it actually is pretty snappy and easy to use, once you get used to the oddly-shaped mouse, and the MacOS can be pretty damn stable, too. Unfortunately, most people don't know how to set it up properly, so they end up with extensions and control panels they don't need (QuickDraw 3D comes to mind, as does QuickTime VR) clogging up the works. Even worse, they'll install Norton Utilities, which puts in CrashGuard, the most unstable and unusable piece of software ever created. I remember when CrashGuard would crash the system (ironic, isn't it?) whenever Netscape 3's JIT Java compiler kicked in. This just gives people a bad view of Macs when they're actually really good systems.

Oh, by the way, I don't know if there should be a follow-up or not, but someone's been spamming the Deja polls - Linux now has over 10000 votes, and has moved up to 3.3 in all categories. Also, MS Windows NT Server has even more votes, with 2.4 in each category. BSD only had about 5000. This poll seems to be getting more and more pointless as the day goes on.

I think the NT people will always miss the point (1)

browser_war_pow (100778) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424282)

So what if Linux doesn't perform quite as well as NT? What Linux gives is stability and uptime, which are more important for e-commerce companies. It also allows anyone to make their own server, something NT will never allow.

Re:How to spoof the poll (1)

MrHat (102062) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424283)

This appears to be working.

As of 11:40 AM EST, Linux is ahead of Windows NT Server, 3.1 to 3.0. Linux has a total of 9250 votes, while NT has a total of 7483 votes. The deja.com servers are slowing to a crawl, with something like 100 votes/minute being posted to the poll. I wonder if the deja.com staff might notice the system load, and get rid of these stupid polls. Oh well, I can hope...

Can we stop now? I'm trying to actually *use* the DejaNews search... ;-)

Re:NT (1)

scotch (102596) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424284)

Security second to none?

Excuse me for a minute while I take you literally - you system is not the most secure in the world.

Your comments about proper configuration seem innocent enough, however. Keep up the good work.

"method=post" == "expert" //TRUE?????? (1)

^ZuLu^ (103831) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424285)

Do I get that right?
That poll's been made by using some simple method=get commands? Is that how people who know a lot about software, programming and operating-systems do make up their mind? Go to deja and do some clicki-clicki-stuff?
I don't give a %$!# about that poll! I'm using whatever I think I know is best. Come on, how many of us do other polls than those on /.? ;-)

Re:17th post (1)

Imhmo (110374) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424286)

Linux is a jobs program for old UNIX sysadmins and wannabes. Check-out Solaris.

It's only a poll! (1)

Wizard of OS (111213) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424287)

Hey people, wake up!

If you want to measure how good an OS is, dont use polls! The stats show that linux is most voted for, so I can only draw one conclusion about it.
Every linux-user I know says that it's the best OS they've ever used, especially the ones wyo use it as a server. So, if all people who voted for linux really used it, linux should be on top. This sure looks like voting-pollution to me!

If you really want to measure how good an OS is than test it (okay, not a mindcraft-you-give-the-results-we-give-the-test kind of test, but a fair one). This kind of subjective polls shouldn't get as much media attention as they get now.

How to spoof the poll (4)

Wizard of OS (111213) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424289)

Okay, take a *nix box and type:

lynx -accept_all_cookies -source "http://www.deja.com/rate/user_rate.xp?CR1=5&CR2=5 &CR3=5&CR4=5&CID=11997&P DID=5281"

You only have to put this in a while (1==1) loop (and remove the ~/.lynxcookies file) and withing 10 minutes linux wil be on 4.9, 4.9,4.9, 4.9 with 100.000 votes :-))

Shows how biased Slashdot is... (1)

Mindless Machine (118873) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424290)

This just shows how biased Slashdot is towards Linux. Linux trails other operating systems in a poll that about three people will read and nobody will take seriously, and Slashdot jumps all over it as some type of anti-Linux conspiracy. This is the dumbest thing on Slashdot since that posting about Microsoft hiring Linux admins, and people thinking that Microsoft was trying to make their own Linux distribution. Wake up people. Linux isn't all that great, and Microsoft (or anything that isn't Linux) isn't all that evil. Now get the hell off my internet.

did I miss something? (1)

MousePotato (124958) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424291)

I followed the link to that pseudopoll but found that the numbers in your news item and the numbers posted were way different. OS/2warp was last, Linux was at 7th place and windoze nt at 11th... keep clicking:)

Some small points (2)

Emphyrio (125143) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424292)

Firstly - linux is not last anymore ;) - probably due to the slashdot effect, lots of people hyped up the linux scores.

Apart from that, the rating system used by deja is not really fair.
Using people to rate different os-es results in people rating their os of choice high, and the other ones lower.
This results, in turn, in people over-rating and under-rating their own and other operating systems because they can see the results already.
A better system would be 'what is your system of choice' and give a couple of os-es to pick from (the slashdot way).

NT (0)

tech81 (128914) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424293)

Windows NT rules! I like Linux and all, I even run it along with my NT boxes, but I still have less trouble out of NT and I get better performance out of it.

Re:NT (1)

tech81 (128914) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424294)

Well, try 3 months, no reboot.

Re:NT (1)

tech81 (128914) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424295)

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. It's all in how you configure your hardware and the OS. I'm not certified, but I've spent a lot of time working with NT and 3x/9x, and I'm proud to say that my boxes can stay up for months at a time, no reboots or lagging, and the security is second to none.

Hmm.... (1)

GNUs-Not-Good (130016) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424296)

no such thing a GNU/Linux though.

Re:Speaking as a Deja.com employee... (2)

kag (131352) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424297)

I disagree. Deja is *the* site to go for the-word-on-the-street info about retail products.

I always deja before I buy.

Remember when... (2)

Party Remover (131980) | more than 14 years ago | (#1424298)

...Dejanews used to be a useful USENET search engine?

It's so clogged with feature creep (like these inane polls) now that you have to go through 2 queries just to do a simple "All newsgroups, all messages" search on a single argument. I understand the desire to avoid stagnation and add value to a site, but this is ridiculous.

I've switched to Remarq for my newsgroup searching. They seem to understand the value of simplicity.

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