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Halo 3 Causing Network Issues

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the maybe-just-a-coincidence dept.

Networking 306

Recently at my university where I'm a student and a sys admin, we have been experiencing some odd outages, in particular since the 25th of September. The outages seemed to occur between 8 PM and 12:00 AM — peak gaming hours for our dorms. It just happens that Halo 3 came out on the 25th of September. Upon further investigation we found that our network routers were shaping TCP packets, but not UDP. Once we applied UDP shaping as well, all network outages ceased. Gamers complained, but university students attempting to access network resources such as our UNIX clusters were satisfied.

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Doubts (4, Insightful)

nielsslein (676184) | about 7 years ago | (#20803113)

I'd like to see more proof before I go and blame Halo 3 for this.

Re:Doubts (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about 7 years ago | (#20803153)

Indeed, just like the iPhone 'broke' some networks. I bet it's something else's fault and Halo 3 just highlighted the issue.

Re:Doubts (4, Insightful)

CrankyFool (680025) | about 7 years ago | (#20803167)

Dude, you didn't even have to read the FA, it was in the summary! The issue was that the routers weren't shaping UDP.

Re:Doubts (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803207)

Do not try to read the fucking article. That is impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no fucking article.

Re:Doubts (1, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | about 7 years ago | (#20803191)

Oh, it's probably to "blame" in the sense that it's new, popular, and network intensive. I don't see any indication that it's doing anything WRONG, however.

Hard to say anything without knowing what was done, preferably from someone who isn't a student tech. It sounds like they saturated his bandwidth and he throttled 'em, which is pretty draconian. Sometimes, that's the only solution, especially if your university isn't all that tech savvy.

Re:Doubts (4, Informative)

MindStalker (22827) | about 7 years ago | (#20803287)

No in large university networks you have to set bandwidth caps for all users, (pst your ISP does this now and sets it at whatever Mbps you buy). His router wasn't even looking at UDP traffic so a few users were getting more than they were assigned.

Re:Doubts (5, Interesting)

KiloByte (825081) | about 7 years ago | (#20803391)

Yeah, I can see three explanations:
  • Halo 3's network protocol is so abysmal that it needs a big chunk of bandwidth. I'm not talking that everything must be done The Right Way (ie, sending just what other players pressed and a checksum of the game's state like Doom1/2 did), but even sending the coords for objects you can see won't take more than a few KBs per second.
  • the routers were buggy and crapped out after seeing more than X streams, counting every UDP packet as a separate stream (a moderately popular bug). As shaping fixed the issue, I doubt this could be the culprit.
  • the whole univ having nothing but a slow DSL uplink or so. I don't know where the article's poster is from, but if that's a 3rd world country it's possible.
Somehow, not knowing anything about Halo, I suspect a combination of the first and third reason.

Re:Doubts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803489)

Sixteen players in a big outdoors map, where they can see a lot of stuff? That's not an insignificant number of KBs per second. And if your college is like mine was--where some nights, literally 75% of the player population was Haloing--that can easily hit a few MB per second.

Okay, on second thought, that's not all that huge a number. But doesn't UDP have more overhead than TCP? Eh, I guess I don't know that much about this after all.

Re:Doubts (1, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about 7 years ago | (#20803573)

The solution? PLAY A LAN GAME.

No need to use the internet if you are all inside the network.

Don't know if Halo 3 has that as an option however... if not, fucking stupid...

TAGGED AS KDAWSONSUCKS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803563)

Really, man.

I didn't RTFA... (5, Funny)

A beautiful mind (821714) | about 7 years ago | (#20803115)

...but at least now I have the excuse that there is no FA.

Sysadmin does job (1)

winkydink (650484) | about 7 years ago | (#20803415)

No film at 11.

Good grief! What a ridiculous article.

I must be new here (5, Insightful)

OAB_X (818333) | about 7 years ago | (#20803119)

What a remarkably useless story.

Re:I must be new here (0)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about 7 years ago | (#20803199)

What makes you say that?

Re:I must be new here (5, Insightful)

Romancer (19668) | about 7 years ago | (#20803283)

Probably the facts:
1. There is no link to an actual article or any other related or corroborating information source.
2. The summary admits that certain router features were not enabled, and simply enabling them fixed the "problem".
3. The title of "Halo 3 Causing Network Issues" has so far been only superficially associated with the "problems" they were having by giant leaps of non technical assumption.
4. This is another KDawson post/nonstory.

Re:I must be new here (4, Interesting)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | about 7 years ago | (#20803387)

Well it's remarkability has been proven by the number of comments.

It's uselessness lies in the fact that it was a mis configured router causing the problems, and configuring it right fixed it. 99% of people on /. don't need to know this (because they're not running a university network, have configured their routers right, or were expecting this sort of thing from the largest game release in history) and the other 1% didn't read the article.

I'm not sure about the story part, though I guess any yarn told by an individual about an event qualifies.

Therefore the tale is a story, is remarkable, and is useless, ergo 'What a remarkably useless story'

Honestly this one irritates even me, and that's saying something. I'm usually fine with non-stories, as I'm bored enough to not care. Talking about how you didn't properly set up your university network and didn't prepare for the largest game release in history (I'm sorry, but if you're running a network for college kids, why in the world weren't you ready for Halo 3? You should know for a fact that it's going to be huge, if you don't then you're living in a cave) doesn't make me want to like you, and then mentioning that your response was basically to shut down the kids ability to play proudly, like 'Look at me, I'm so smart, I killed a bunch of kids fun because I couldn't think of any of the other hundred ways to solve my problem and would rather just shut them down', well that makes me want to punch you in the face for being dumb, and proud of that dumbness.

Peak. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803121)

FFS. PEAK.

Re:Peak. (1)

colourmyeyes (1028804) | about 7 years ago | (#20803157)

I was wondering where the "peek" tag was

This is a story? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803123)

Poorly configured firewall and packet shapers - reconfigured them and now stuff works better?

This passes for a story at slashdot now?

Re:This is a story? (5, Funny)

blowdart (31458) | about 7 years ago | (#20803143)

It has a "blame Microsoft" angle, what more do you want?

And? (5, Insightful)

VeteranNoob (1160115) | about 7 years ago | (#20803129)

So, poor network design caused the network to become saturated. QoS rules were applied to UDP, as they should have been, and the problem has gone away.

Where's the story?

Re:And? (5, Funny)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 7 years ago | (#20803219)

It's just posted here so we can get reams of replies talking about how over-rated Halo is, how much the Xbox (made by Microsoft!) sucks, how great Nintendo is in comparison, and how games used to have more "fun" back in the olden days. The network problem is entirely secondary.

So it's pretty much like every other Slashdot Games post.

Re:And? (1)

s4m7 (519684) | about 7 years ago | (#20803291)

games used to have more "fun" back in the olden days
It's not that they're putting any less fun in these days, but do you know how expensive it is to manufacture fun in industrialized nations like japan and the U.S.? Now they're using more affordable Chinese-made fun which is doped with melamine and lead to make it cheaper.

Re:And? (2)

Orange Crush (934731) | about 7 years ago | (#20803643)

It seems to me that the in general geek perception, the 360 is pretty well regarded. I think it's gotten a pretty fair analysis in the geek world--a generally* well built, correctly-priced piece of hardware, competently marketed and released well enough ahead of the other players to have the upper hand w/ regards to game libraries.

Re:And? (3, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 7 years ago | (#20803225)

Indeed, the story should be "More dipshit net admins with fancy-ass certificates but no brains fuck up QoS once more."

Re:And? (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | about 7 years ago | (#20803623)

you're right. No other university or network has reported problems. It's probably just them and their bad design. Even if it wasn't, let's take a vote. Is Halo 3 more important or are Unix systems more important?

So what? (5, Insightful)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803137)

Guy had a network problem. Network admins found the source of the network problem. People who caused the network problem complained, everyone else was happy. This wasn't even a technology problem, it was an oversight in the configuration of the routers/switches.

How exactly is this worthy of a front page article on slashdot?

Hey, guess what. The other day I had a process that stopped working. Thinking quickly, I figured out what was wrong and fixed it. Everyone was happy. Do I get a front page article too?

Sheesh. Congrats for doing your job, subby.

(I know this was a journal entry and subby had nothing to do with it getting greenlighted, but seriously, wtf?)

Re:So what? (1)

SkySerf (1160407) | about 7 years ago | (#20803161)

It mentions Halo 3 thats how.

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803301)

How exactly is this worthy of a front page article on slashdot?

Oh, come on. You expect kdawson to read anything he green lights? That'd take work, man. I mean, it's not like he gets paid to do this or anything. Oh wait...

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803441)

Believe it or not, some real tech geeks rather than windows-using wannabees still read slashdot (though not typically the commments, I'm just on a day off). Some of us might want to preemptively throttle UDP to avoid similar problems as Halo takeup ramps up. Some of us might have noticed something up but not got to the bottom of the problem yet.

It's like when a motorist signals other motorists that there's an accident ahead. You know, communicating. Sharing information. The thing that sets humanity apart in degree if not in kind from other animals (at least until intellectual monopoly lawyers get involved).

Re:So what? (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803467)

I have been doing sysadmin (and sysadmin-like) work for 10 years now - and I can say that anyone who hasn't figured out where the system load is coming from and tracked it down to UDP traffic not being filtered within about an hour of noticing the problem probably should find another line of work. Either that, or hasn't been doing it very long and should seek out the assistance of someone more senior and experienced.

Not to say that you don't have a point and this might be valuable in that circumstance, but it really is a non-story for the vast majority of people who didn't just get root for the first time last week.

Re:So what? (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | about 7 years ago | (#20803595)

"Believe it or not, some real tech geeks rather than windows-using wannabees still read slashdot (though not typically the commments, I'm just on a day off). Some of us might want to preemptively throttle UDP to avoid similar problems as Halo takeup ramps up."

Sure, it's not as if Windows admins use routers or anything like that. Apparently only "real tech geeks" do (whoever they are).

Re:So what? (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803619)

Historically, windows admins are better at pointing and clicking than actually solving problems.

I have met some windows admins who are fairly competent at what they do. I also have met some who could barely figure out how to move the mouse. Aa a whole linux or unix admins tend to be much more competent than windows admins, as a whole. And as with everything, there are exceptions going both ways.

The reason is simple - the barrier to entry is much higher with unix and its variants. So once you're in that position, you've already gone through most of the trials that windows admins have never had to deal with and maybe won't for a long time.

That's also why we're generally paid more.

Re:So what? (1)

Climate Shill (1039098) | about 7 years ago | (#20803499)

How exactly is this worthy of a front page article on slashdot?

The sixth Halo promotion on Slashdot this month ? I imagine it's worthy because little worth-carrying pieces of paper* changed hands.

* Or Dollars.

you are an asshole (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803149)

Way to piss of gamers. Porn and gaming made the internet. Now you are sucking the very life out of it. All that will be left is eggheads like you who get off on power tripping.

Re:you are an asshole (1, Funny)

Red Flayer (890720) | about 7 years ago | (#20803389)

Porn and gaming made the internet.
Your tax dollars, via defense spending, created the internet. If you choose to use it for gaming and porn, that's your perogative -- but especially in a place of learning (a university) recreational usage should play second fiddle. You don't like it? Live at home in Mom's basement like all the other cave-dwelling trolls, where the only one 'throttling your bandwidth' will be you or your Mom.

Whew. That said, you might be able to make a Neocon's head asplode if you tell him that defense spending leads to a massive worldwide increase in porn viewing and production.

Re:you are an asshole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803461)

WOOOSSSHHH!!!!

Re:you are an asshole (1)

Tuoqui (1091447) | about 7 years ago | (#20803541)

They might not be able to play Halo 3 but they can still get as much porn as they want.

No sympathy... (2, Insightful)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about 7 years ago | (#20803151)

You know, I don't think I have any sympathy for the upset gamers on campus networks.

Also, are you seriously trying to tell me that /. couldn't find something more interesting to post?

Re:No sympathy... (0, Offtopic)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803213)

Here's how I imagine it going down.

On the slashdot administrative interface, the entry for "Jack Thompson sent gay porn to the American Family ASSociation and told James Dobson's family that he was a sinner" was right above this entry. The slashdot editor's mother yelled "Cookies are ready!" and while the editor yelled "But mooooooooooooooooom! We're in the MAN CAVE! Sheesh!" his finger slipped and guess what...

Moral of the story - make sure you get mom's cookies BEFORE editing slashdot!

Re:No sympathy... (5, Funny)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 7 years ago | (#20803233)

Sadly enough, I know someone who chose his 4 year college based on ping times to his favorite Quake servers...

You'll probably be shocked to hear that he graduated by some sort of formality...

Re:No sympathy... (3, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | about 7 years ago | (#20803297)

You know, I don't think I have any sympathy for the upset gamers on campus networks.
I don't know about sympathy, but it does sound like the university network is inadequate. I'd hate to see these admins in charge at FedEx... "there's just too darn many packages this Christmas, and most of them aren't important business documents anyways. I know, let's just throw out anything in wrapping paper and ribbons!"

Re:No sympathy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803377)

1. kdawson was looking for Halo3 cheat codes in Slashdot journals and stumbled on this.
2. kdawson thinks everyone is playing Halo3 and wasting time on that when they could be submitting political stories with preferred lean for him to post and he is dropping a hint that he wants more submissions.
3. kdawson thinks SourceForge is having the same problem or he got tired of getting shot by Taco and is looking for an excuse.
***

So, that's why I got gibbed! (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 7 years ago | (#20803155)

You insensitive bastard!

slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803159)

must be...

Good for you? (2, Insightful)

Mattwolf7 (633112) | about 7 years ago | (#20803165)

I fail to see a story here, your network was setup wrong and is now fixed. Case closed.

MY GOD!! (1)

BillOfThePecosKind (1140837) | about 7 years ago | (#20803169)

Has the world finally succumb to this madness!?! When will the injustice to gamers be put to an end!?!

There is no way this is possibly true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803173)

and wow, I am increasingly glad I've never created an account on slashdot in the last 2 years

Oh please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803175)

Get a better network! Online gaming isn't that bandwidth intensive!

"shaping" network packets....? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803179)

gosh don't you mean your gimp ass network had to throttle traffic because you're either too poor or you're too lazy to upgrade your network's 1980 infrastructure?

why stop there? make to to throttle youtube, video conferencing and other bandwidth heavy applications. hell why not just disallow everything but gopher?

This is not the real reason (1)

mynickwastaken (690966) | about 7 years ago | (#20803183)

Look here [digital-lifestyles.info]

Oh... Sorry... It is 2005. Errm... And is not 25th of september...

Oops! Is not SUN is The Sun

Oops! And is not US is UK

Hmm! Who cares anyway. We are on Slashdot isnt't it?

What is "shaping"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803185)

hah?

My school's network sucks :/ (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803193)

I suppose all this tells the administrators is they either a) need to upgrade their networking hardware, or b) need to get a fatter pipe to the internet.

My school just spent over $2 million on a network upgrade, and while that's all good and dandy, the network still sucks. We have a 45Mb pipe for the WHOLE school (Small school, only 2000 kids, but still... we're maxing that out 80% of every day)... And a lot of the dorm buildings only have Cat 3 ethernet cabling, and are thus limited to 10Mb/s ethernet connections (So even local connections suck)...

In any case, playing xbox live on our network is a chore to say the least... It only even connects half the time, and when it does it's NAT'd to all hell (even though every device on our network has its own external IP)... And it likes to drop out a lot too. I have a feeling everything registered as a gaming device (We use Bradford Networks' "Network Access Control") gets QOS'd down to the bottom of the pile automagically. And they shape everything that isn't port 80 too (which sucks, because normal internet traffic, which most people wouldn't even notice being a little slower, ends up using almost all of our bandwidth).

So, I guess what I'm saying is... Schools (mine in particular) need more bandwidth!

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803265)

I have a similar situation at my school. Based on my signal strength in most areas, I think they only have 1 ap per building.

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about 7 years ago | (#20803345)

Well if it's a dorm room, get a high gain antenna and hang it out the window, or find where the AP is located and point a directional antenna at it...

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (2, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | about 7 years ago | (#20803331)

Your 45mb pipe, even shared between 2000 users is a lot more than people had a few years ago... Consider dialups, and the college where i studied had 2mb shared between around 2000 students.
But you need to consider the usage patterns, most ISPs will put way more than 2000 users on a single 45mb pipe, because the average user uses very little bandwidth. Your school clearly has a higher proportion of heavy users, and so it's bandwidth is more saturated.
Do remember that this is a SCHOOL... It's purpose is to educate the kids, not to facilitate them playing games. They really have no obligation to support any use of the internet other than legitimate educational purposes.
They could quite easily filter everything except HTTP, and require that you make and justify a request, via a teacher, for anything else.

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (1)

Kwami (1104073) | about 7 years ago | (#20803497)

Actually, I know of at least one school that DOES block everything but HTTP. Well, sort of. They actually block every port except for port 80. Even then, some protocols are blocked (like AIM). I've had quite the adventure these past eight weeks trying to get around the limitations. Fortunately, some awesome people started up http://www.meebo.com/ [meebo.com] for my IM needs, and Gentoo includes emerge-webrsync as an alternative to emerge --sync. Still, it's terribly annoying. If my home university did the same, I'd seriously consider moving off-campus. Students pay a large sum of money to live in the dorms and apartments provided by the University (~$6k/year). Part of that money goes toward funding the Internet connection. At the moment, the only type of traffic that they throttle is streaming video. That's enough. I don't need my games throttled, too.

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (3, Insightful)

Xemu (50595) | about 7 years ago | (#20803525)

Do remember that this is a SCHOOL... It's purpose is to educate the kids, not to facilitate them playing games

Humans have educated others through games since forever. Even chess is a strategy game meant to teach others about warfare. The military uses games even today to train soldiers how to behave in combat.

Schools would be better if they used more games to educate their students.

A smart professor could use Halo3 to teach about gender issues or the biology of human perception.

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (1)

EvanED (569694) | about 7 years ago | (#20803527)

Do remember that this is a SCHOOL... It's purpose is to educate the kids, not to facilitate them playing games.

I disagree with this, at least to some extent. I agree that education is primary, but don't forget that it's also a HOME for those living on campus. You can't do nothing but eat, sleep, and study.

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (1)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | about 7 years ago | (#20803579)

This really depends on your school. When I went to school, the school's IT department acted solely as our ISP- they restricted us to our bandwidth (10 GB/week when I was there a few years ago, 20 GB/week now), but beyond that, you were free to use as much of the pipe as you could drink from. (Admittedly, it was a 300 Mbps pipe shared between 2100 users, but the link to your jack was only 100 Mbps, so.) The other advantage, however, was that data on the University's internal network was entirely uncapped (and essentially unlimited in bandwidth; buildings were connected by 10 Gbps fibre links, and they had a 700 Mbps pipe to other educational networks) and so all the actual 'school' work you had to do you could do with no real trouble, even if the outgoing network pipe was totally saturated.

However, my point was not to blather on about infrastructure.

Some schools provide internet access as a privilege, and there, they have no obligation to support any use of the internet they don't want to. All the schools I've gone to have charged you for it, and acted solely as an ISP. They had no right, nor did they claim to, to restrict or limit your use of the bandwidth you had contractually paid for.

I know, for example, the University of Edinburgh at one point basically restricted you to port 80 through a Squid proxy, which would have made me enormously unhappy had I gone to school there. Luckily, I did not.

(Quite a bit of the time, I long for my school's internet connection. A 300 Mbps external internet pipe, a 10 Gbps internal network backbone, and an average of ~4 ms latency to the nearest sections of the internet cloud with an average maximum of 2 ms to anywhere on the school's internal network. I just wish they'd upgraded the in-room connections to gigabit before I'd left, although I realize it was a purposeful decision on their part- by leaving it at 100 Mbps, it was technically impossible for one person to saturate any of the network links.)

Re:My school's network sucks :/ (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | about 7 years ago | (#20803661)

Have your admins take a look at putting some Cogent bandwidth into the mix. Some will say it's crap, but I've found it to be excellent. You can get a 100Mb pipe extremely cheap from them.

UDP (1)

maxrate (886773) | about 7 years ago | (#20803197)

U Don't Play packets

Re:UDP (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 7 years ago | (#20803581)

I think UDP stands for "University-Dropped Packets".

kdawson story (1)

mariushm (1022195) | about 7 years ago | (#20803201)

Someone tag this kdawson... In other words, what kind of network are those people using that a game crashes it? With hubs and bridged computers...

Wait a second. (5, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | about 7 years ago | (#20803217)

You're degrading time-critical but relatively low-bandwidth traffic intentionally in order to improve responsiveness for some ssh connections?

Granted, Halo 3 is less important than Prof. Smith's Monte Carlo, but the fact that you have to do this at all means that you need more capacity. Plus it's damn rude to the students: "Oh, they're doing something new that we don't degrade! Ah, well, just degrade student UDP traffic too, that'll fix it!"

I'm not saying that transfer limits are a bad idea -- someone downloading 100GB/month and saturating a line needs to be told off, certainly -- but if a bunch of low-bandwidth gaming traffic from the dorms kills the network...

Don't forget that those guys in the dorms playing Halo pay lots of money to the university, which pays for the network.

If I knew what uni you were at I'd seriously consider adding my (meager) 256kbps upstream to the load by writing a script to refresh your homepage over and over.

Re:Wait a second. (-1, Troll)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803245)

You are a jerk.

The college network resources are there, first and foremost, to facilitate learning. Unless you're going to make the argument that their hand-eye coordination will increase their reproductive ability later by actually being able to find the proper part of their girlfriend to insert certain parts of themselves in in the future when they actually have a girlfriend and a life, you really haven't a leg to stand on.

Your last comment belies your true mindset - you're just a common cracker who things that you have a god given right to do anything you want with someone else's network.

umm (1)

Stu Charlton (1311) | about 7 years ago | (#20803453)

I don't think he was being a jerk.

Students aren't going to learn much if you provide shoddy essential services to people living on campus. They're going to want to watch TV, play games, etc.

Now, if it's possible to order 3rd party networks such as Hi-Speed Cable or DSL, there at least is an outlet. I recall on my dorm (many) years ago a difficult time getting access to 3rd party networks, hence why the university's network was used.

I'll also note that some on-campus residences are a source of income for the university (i.e. they're not run at a loss), and actually advertise access to high speed Internet as a feature to entice them to stay on campus vs. scramble to off-campus housing. Some even require at least 1-2 years of on campus stay. If I've been spending most of my high school years with high speed access and now am forced to deal with degraded service, I would not be pleased.

Re:umm (0, Troll)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803505)

I think he was, if only because of the last comment, where he said that if he found out where the guy worked he would do a "poor man's DOS attack" on his webpage.

That shows a particular lack of respect for the resources of others, reinforced by the rest of his comment.

It is true that it may be your only source for high speed internet. It also may be true that it's a sign of degraded internet. But gaming is a privilege, not a right, particularly at a university, and even if it got entirely turned off, there's no harm in going out and meeting other people in... *gasp*... the big blue room.

Re:umm (1, Flamebait)

cheesegoduk (781731) | about 7 years ago | (#20803651)

oh give it a rest, The Internet is just as useful for doing non work related stuff and students in there own time shouldn't be forced to suffer, especially when the uni advertises themselves has having fast Internet connections in halls when its really just a lie. Students who enjoy online gaming may pick a location to live based on having decent Internet, just the same as someone who enjoys any other hobby will take it into account when picking somewhere to live. And no, Students are allowed to have some free time other than being forced to work 24/7. The uni should buy in extra bandwidth or stop advertising as such.

Also, get over using that "Deal with it and go outside" crap, Its so cliche its not funny. Accept that different people enjoy different pastimes and interests and move on. Not everything thinks uni is about going down random pubs and getting hammered with people you couldn't give a shit about. They don't want to be forced to go outside just because some asshat decided it'd be fun to turn off the Internet connection because he thought they shouldn't sit inside all day.

Re:Wait a second. (4, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | about 7 years ago | (#20803257)

But this is a university network... Accessing SSH on university systems so that students can do their work is far more important than playing some games.
The network is there for research purposes, so thats students can do the research they need to pass their educational courses. Any traffic that facilitates the educational courses of the university should be prioritised, and anything else should get whatever bandwidth remains. And those games should be grateful they can play online games at all, the university is not obligated to provide them a connection nor allow them to play games on it (they could easily filter gaming traffic completely).

Re:Wait a second. (2, Insightful)

MacTO (1161105) | about 7 years ago | (#20803311)

Don't forget that those guys in the dorms playing Halo pay lots of money to the university, which pays for the network. Students are paying for an education, and maybe room and board. It is absurd to think that universities should be giving students free reign to academic resources for gaming. Particularly if their use is degrading the availability of those resources for their intended purposes. If you want a low latency connection for gaming, then buy your own and don't force others to subsidise your entertainment. Thing is, very few gamers will do that because they know that the minute they use a real ISP is the minute that they have to pay for how they use it. And most students would rather just bitch and freeload.

Re:Wait a second. (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803343)

Exactly. Welcome to the real world, or as close to it as you can get in an academic setting.

Try setting up a halo 3 server at your job once you graduate, and see how fast they shut it down. I know, apples and oranges in some ways, but in both cases the network is there for a specific purpose.

Re:Wait a second. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803507)

It's not freeloading. They are paying for it.

It's all academic anyway - anyone who goes to university is just too stupid to teach themselves.

Re:Wait a second. (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803543)

AC, the first part of your comment is somewhat insightful. However, I'd point out that while they are paying for it, they probably had to agree to a TOS that they signed before having the service to their room turned on. Because of that, while it's not freeloading, they are paying for their service SUBJECT TO THE TOS, which probably states that the University has an absolute right to do anything at their discretion to ensure the integrity of their systems and networks, up to and including termination of service.

The last part of your comment however I think is flagrantly ignorant. That little piece of paper can mean a huge different in how much you are paid once you graduate. Is that fair? No, but it is not stupid to go to college. The stupid part is to rely on your college education to make you an outstanding member of whatever field you are in. College is just a tool to help shape what is already there. If you go there with a mind of jelly, college will not turn that mind of jelly into a finely honed tool of leetness.

It, as with everything else in life, is exactly what you make it and no more.

But why is it a choice? (1)

Workaphobia (931620) | about 7 years ago | (#20803335)

The part I don't understand is how it's a choice between real-time apps and other traffic. Somehow, on my university's network, we're able to play first-person shooters without causing any performance issues for other users or feeling more limited than if we were on a home connection. Do we have more bandwidth than the submitter's university? We've got a gigabit/s connection between buildings, and 10 megabit/s per switch port (which I despise, as it means I can't get 100 mb/s speed within the campus network, but it makes their QoS easier).

I JUST POOPED A LARGE TURD (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803221)

It had a satisfying sweet smell and was flecked with little seeds from my multigrain healthy bread.

UPDATES TO FOLLOW AS EVENTS WARRANT STAY TUNED

Re:I JUST POOPED A LARGE TURD (3, Funny)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803261)

Congratulations. Put it in a journal and you might get on the front page too.

ghey (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about 7 years ago | (#20803235)

How hard is it to run a tcpdump (or IOS's equivalent) on a core router to see what type of traffic is saturating the network? And why the fuck is there a need to post this on /. like it's a big deal?

Re:ghey (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | about 7 years ago | (#20803381)

How hard is it to run a tcpdump (or IOS's equivalent) on a core router to see what type of traffic is saturating the network? And why the fuck is there a need to post this on /. like it's a big deal?

Because it was UDP traffic?!

Re:ghey (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about 7 years ago | (#20803465)

You can dump udp traffic via tcpdump yo....tcpdump is just it's name, not a limitation. You can dump any type of Layer 3 traffic with it.

Re:ghey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803691)

Cisco routers or Juniper routers do not have a dump option, that is what span and tcpdump (or any sniffer) is for. You don't want to run a capture program running on your core when you already have saturation problems.

Oh! Boo hoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803271)

I can't believe the number of people defending the student's desire to play Halo and clipling the network. Sure, the network might be improperly configured, but they are using someone else resource at the expense of others. Personally, I would have closed the ports used by the game.

Re:Oh! Boo hoo! (2, Insightful)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803325)

I wouldn't have gone that far. I think that what the poster did was a reasonable action. But I wouldn't have thought twice about closing the ports if the situation had warranted it.

Gaming may be a fun thing to do, but it is not a god-given right, especially at a University where you are supposed to be, oh, I don't know, going to classes and doing homework?

Maybe I'm just a 32 year old fart that remembers the university days when people studied or went to the student union if they wanted to interact with people.

Re:Oh! Boo hoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803367)

Just because they play Halo doesn't mean they don't study or do homework. Their tuition also pays for that infrastructure. Should the university tell them how to use the internet they pay for? Maybe all universities should just start censoring the internet and call it a day.

Re:Oh! Boo hoo! (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803395)

Well, most ISPs do that already in one way or another anyway, and sometimes they won't even bother telling you what the policy is, even after you've violated it. Kids these days have it good.

Slashdot is now twitter! How innovative! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803277)

My computer was acting a little slowly. I didn't want to figure out what exactly was causing the problem, so I rebooted it. It's back to normal speed now.

Crazy? (5, Funny)

spykemail (983593) | about 7 years ago | (#20803351)

Wait a minute, you limited network usage for gamers in favor of academic users? Sounds like a pretty shitty school if you ask me. Everyone knows that school networks are for three things:

1) Downloading music and movies illegally.
2) Downloading pr0n.
3) Playing games, even crappy ones like Halo 3.

As you can clearly see homework and research are not on the list...

You get what you pay for (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803365)

Recently at my university where I'm a student and a sys admin ...
Looks like the uni got what they paid for. Heck, I'd be willing to bet the subby was about to post this as an "Ask Slashdot" question.

Re:You get what you pay for (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803445)

Good point. Only an inexperienced system or network admin would think that this was a challenging problem worthy of putting in a journal for all to see as an example of performance above and beyond the call of duty.

Re:You get what you pay for (1)

fender177 (1125877) | about 7 years ago | (#20803639)

i thought it was funny that people playing halo 3 could bring a network to it's knees, worth sharing for others to have a good laugh. It's my second week at this job -- my department isn't in control of the network outside of our building, but we work closely with those who are, which is how I found out about the issue. We don't have a huge budget for our network, we're a state funded school with 30,000+ students. The oversight in shaping the UDP packets was a big oversight, which caused issues for nearly a week. Many students had issues getting into the servers to do their homework, and professors had issues checking their email. The issue went right up the line. We have a couple of T1 lines coming in. Users connecting in remotely using time warner were experiencing the issues. The students in the dorms playing the new game were going using the dorms T1, which is also through by Time Warner. The servers experiencing the issues use a different T1 through a different ISP. It was only the remote users subscribing to Time Warner's high speed internet that had the remote issues. Students within the network had no known issues.

Re:You get what you pay for (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803665)

Thanks for commenting.

Personally, I don't think it's funny or not funny, I just think it's an example of finding a problem and solving it. Personally I think FPS games are a pox on almost every network and I stay as far away from them as I can. If I had to acribe any adjective to this, I'd say "expected".

On the flip side, I am not all that happy with kdawson for posting such a journal entry, and I recognize that you did nothing wrong in any case here. kdawson really did you a disservice with frontpaging this.

bad summary (1)

sound+vision (884283) | about 7 years ago | (#20803423)

I'm sot sure what's going on here - who's peeking at your gaming hours?

Ok, that's it! (2, Funny)

andr0meda (167375) | about 7 years ago | (#20803433)

"Halo 3" should be arrested immediately, brought to justice and then executed. And his bastard parrents too, for naming their kid "Halo 3" in the first place, I mean come on!

wait a min..

Ah, Doom (4, Interesting)

Dachannien (617929) | about 7 years ago | (#20803443)

Way back in the day, Doom's first implementation of multiplayer used broadcast packets to communicate amongst client machines. The university I attended was, at the time, home to the world's largest unswitched Ethernet. Doom's popularity led to the swift collapse of the entire network on a regular basis, since a broadcast packet would result in a response from every other machine on the network.

id shortly thereafter patched the game not to use broadcast packets anymore. Once the cause of the network failures became apparent, playing the unpatched version of Doom became grounds for having your Intargopher turned off (we didn't call it the Intarweb back in those days, ya whippersnapper).

It's not the students fault ... (2, Funny)

ThirdPrize (938147) | about 7 years ago | (#20803463)

it is the Covenants fault. They are trying to crash the internet ready for the next invasion.

My school (3, Interesting)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | about 7 years ago | (#20803523)

My school has a game design major, that I'm a part of.

The internet in the dorms was shittacular. Horrible horrible service, and we had to pay 30$ a month for it.
And, the IT department, when called out on this bullshit, couldn't even give us a break down on how our money was being spent.

So, 3 years ago me and several friends sent an email out to everyone of importance around campus calling them out, basically saying it was bullcrap they advertise themselves as being all advanced at this university and having this gaming major, but the gaming major students can't even get online half the time in their dorms to play....games.

Within several hours, most faculty was writing back and agreeing with us. We showed up at a meeting, and the head of IT didn't have anything together at all.

Basically what happened was for a few months we could opt to be on a seperate network through the engineering department that wasn't managed by the IT department, but rather a professor in his spare time. And gasp, this network was far far superior and less buggy. It had 50% of the computers on campus on it, and 0% of the budget, yet still managed to be far more reliable.

Then, after the next quarter passed, we were allowed to get outside ISP service in the dorms. Alot of my friends get adelphia internet access. I just chose to move off campus, I was tired of dealing with it. You still had to pay the IT department for their crummy connection, on top of paying another ISP.

Re:My school (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803607)

If you're getting truly abyssmal service like that, then I laud your ability to go around it and get service that meets basic standards of reliability. No one says that just because it's the university's network, it's well run. Sometimes you have to raise a fuss.

I just don't think that gaming is one of those things that universities need to bend over backwards to support.

Master Chief inappropriate touching? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20803591)

I hate to mention it but Master Chief keeps making inappropriate touching.

I think it is totally OK to be gay but I am only 9 years old. After I explained about my age, Master Chief seemed to get real excited and now I can't seem to get rid of him.

I know this is off-topic.

Little Ed

Its a Journal Entry (5, Insightful)

mobilesteve (899951) | about 7 years ago | (#20803617)

Journal written by fender177 (1125877) and posted by kdawson on Sunday September 30, @03:17PM

I don't think this article was submitted as a story by the author. It looks like fender117 just posted a little story in his slashdot story, and kdawson stumbled upon it and decided to post it to the front page for some stupid reason.

Re:Its a Journal Entry (1)

JustShootMe (122551) | about 7 years ago | (#20803635)

Yup. I don't think anyone truly holds the journal entry against the poster. It's a fairly routine example of someone doing their job.

This is the kind of thing kdawson routinely posts? Ahh, the Jon Katz of the 21st century.

(I actually liked Jon, but he was one of the most hated editors of all time)
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