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DS Dominates Japanese PSP Sales 3:1

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the really-like-that-brain-training dept.

Portables (Games) 73

Just on the heels of the good news for PSP Slim sales numbers comes an analysis by a Japanese business firm essentially saying that the PSP's competitor, the DS, is single-handedly driving the Japanese gaming market. "The DS, which Enterbrain says sold 3.478 million units (including both DS and DS Lite) in the fiscal first half, outsold Sony's PSP, at 1.07 million units, about three to one. Enterbrain added that console sales, encompassing Wii and PlayStation 3, also bolstered the market, which expanded by 33.5 percent to ¥138.3 billion ($1.2 billion), while software sales were also up 12.8 percent to ¥154.5 billion ($1.34 billion). Reuters cited the same Enterbrain report when it noted that in April through September, Wii outsold the PlayStation 3 by more than four to one in Japan, with 1.6 Wii units sold versus 385,492 PS3s."

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And even the NES beats the PSP with kids! (1)

KNicolson (147698) | about 7 years ago | (#20822469)

Here's a recent survey from Japan [whatjapanthinks.com] showing that elementary school kids prefer almost everything else bar the Xbox!

Re:And even the NES beats the PSP with kids! (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | about 7 years ago | (#20822625)

Three things are notable about that survey question - 1) the xbox 360 doesn't even show up, 2)the survey sample was 60% girls, and 3)there's no margin of error, so we don't know how accurate these numbers actually are. Plus it was an online survey. So I would put a great deal of doubt in these numbers, except for the xbox numbers which are pretty accurate.

I know I'm going to get stoned in the street for saying this, but the large sample of girls leans towards more casual gamers which would make the PSP, xbox, and PS3 less popular than an older console or the DS or Wii which explicitly target casual gamers.

Re:And even the NES beats the PSP with kids! (2, Insightful)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | about 7 years ago | (#20829913)

Hate to break this to you, but...The 360 exists on less people's radars in Japan than the Sega Saturn. Theres no need for it to be on the survey. It miaswell not exist in Japan as it stands right now outside of the crazy Ameri-Town Otaku crowd. On to your 60% girls are in the survey. Guess what, ALLOT more women play games in Japan. Not to mention honestly, a 10% margin in the direction favoring women is not enough to honestly throw such a survey off.

I'll tell you the real reason the DS outsells the PSP hand over fist honestly. The DS has by far a much higher number of pick up & go games than the PSP. If the game takes more than 15-30 seconds to get into theres just no way on the train. The Japanese have this impulse to do something while riding a train for 20-30min, and while reading books is nice, it does seem to be something house-wives, and old Obaa-sans do usually. Not to mention the Japanese tend to go the way those around them swing (almost roboticly), and if you get on almost ANY train in Japan you'll see people mucking about on a DS, or busy texting on a cellphone. I think over the course of my month I spent in Japan in July running around everywhere between Hiroshima, and Sapporo (thats a brutal direct 16 hour train ride btw) I saw a grand total of maybe 2 or 3 PSPs.

Re:And even the NES beats the PSP with kids! (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 7 years ago | (#20832615)

I don't understand why they grouped playstation 1, 2 and 3 but not the nintendo consoles either.

Duh! (1)

gravis777 (123605) | about 7 years ago | (#20822539)

Okay, show of hands, who here is actually surprised that the DS is outselling the PSP? Its like asking who here is surprised that the PC is outselling the Mac. This does not mean that either the Mac or the PSP are not doing well, I mean, those sales figures are nothing to sneeze at. It just means that others are outselling them.

Re:Duh! (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about 7 years ago | (#20822961)

This does not mean that either the Mac or the PSP are not doing well, I mean, those sales figures are nothing to sneeze at. It just means that others are outselling them.
Yeah, I really don't understand the mentality in the game world of not being in first place means you're a failure. If a company like Sony or Apple were having poor sales & hemorrhaging money, that would be one thing. Gee, Sony ONLY sold just over a million PSP's last quarter. How can anybody justify developing games for a platform that only has several million users?

Re:Duh! (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 7 years ago | (#20823681)

Gee, Sony ONLY sold just over a million PSP's last quarter. How can anybody justify developing games for a platform that only has several million users?
When the leading platform is several dozen million users over one platform's several million users, and development costs are comparable (most development costs today aren't in the actual programming of a platform but instead in the creation of assets to be used within the game), justifying NOT developing for a non-leading platform is just a bean-counter's cost benefit analysis away.

It's a shame, but, thankfully, there are some pretty cool bean-counters out there whose organizations they represent are committed to bringing out cool stuff for the PSP. I'm pulling the trigger on a PSP myself soon... that Final Fantasy Tactics remake pushed me over the edge. :)

Re:Duh! (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 7 years ago | (#20824533)

It's even simpler than that. DS games are a lot cheaper to make. Games range from 8 MB - 128 MB and have 2D or very low quality 3D art. PSP games are 1.5 GB with drastically higher demands of the art.

So the DS has several times the userbase of the PSP and development costs are much lower. Return on investment looks a lot better on the DS.

Re:Duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20825517)

...but! you can port your PSP games to the Wii and PS2 relatively easily, making PSP development more attractive... ;)

Re:Duh! (1)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | about 7 years ago | (#20831503)

umm, no you can't. The architecture is completely different. The Wii [wikipedia.org] is PPC based, the PSP [wikipedia.org] is Cell based, and the PS2 [wikipedia.org] is based on a custom MIPS CPU.

In addition to that, they have different native resolutions, vastly different amounts of ram, different control interfaces, etc.

While you can cross compile code from one to another fairly easily with the right compilation tools, you CANNOT expect them to just work when ported.

Best case scenario: they'll look weird and won't run quite properly.
Worst case scenario: it'll never work at all.

Re:Duh! (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 7 years ago | (#20832681)

PSP cell based? You mean PS3? Or?

Re:Duh! (1)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | about 7 years ago | (#20833153)

Apologies, the PSP is also MIPS based... which of course explains why you can now run PS1 games at virtually full speed with little alteration.. Anyway, my bad.

Re:Duh! (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20834865)

Uh, I don't think anyone thought you could just recompile games from PSP to Wii or vice-versa. But they do have similar hardware performance and screen resolution, so many games do appear on a combination of Wii, PS2 and PSP.

Re:Duh! (1)

Gideon Fubar (833343) | about 7 years ago | (#20845453)

sure sure, i shouldn't nitpick.. but the problem is much more than just compatible resolutions..

Re:Duh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20827205)

The new ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat is 256MB.

Re:Duh! (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 7 years ago | (#20832703)

Games were said to be 128MB max, I wonder how that game works on various flashcarts then.

Re:Duh! (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 7 years ago | (#20844807)

Nintendo announced that cartridges would *initially* be limited to 1 gigabit (128 MB). They made it clear from the beginning that larger capacities would be made available later on.

2D rules (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20835885)

This is completely off-topic, but I'll be terribly sad to see the DS go. It's the last bastion of high-quality 2D gaming. After the DS, 2D will be dead. Even cell phone games are in 3D nowadays. So enjoy the days of top-notch 2D gaming while they last.

Re:Duh! (1)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | about 7 years ago | (#20824355)

Yeah, I really don't understand the mentality in the game world of not being in first place means you're a failure.
I think it's because the video game industry is very new and the rapid fall of one time industry titan Atari is still on many minds. Then you add the rapid decline of Nintendo after the success of Sega and Sony and people are ready to jump to conclusions.

I do it too. I'm just as guilty of thinking Nintendo was dead in the water after the rise of the PlayStation. I'm VERY impressed by the way they have managed to bail out the water and set the ship right. I want a Wii so bad! But unfortunately I bought an X-Box 360 and now I don't have a good reason to give to the wife to bring yet another game system into the house. :(

Re:Duh! (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 7 years ago | (#20824413)

Get her to a Wii demonstration and let her play Wii Sports Tennis, that seems to work well for convincing people.

Re:Duh! (1)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | about 7 years ago | (#20824495)

Thank you for the suggestion. This would probably work with most people but my wife really HATES video games. I've tried to involve her in many games over the years but she has no interest in any style computer game. She and I grew up with family board games like "Monopoly" and that's what she likes. I still like "Monopoly" too, but I also like my electronic games.

Re:Duh! (1)

Tridus (79566) | about 7 years ago | (#20825293)

Thats why it'll work.

My parents hate video games too. Always have.

They were visiting for my graduation. We have a Wii. I decided to show it to them.

It took about 30 seconds to explain Tennis, 45 more to explain Bowling.

They bought their own Wii a week later. Most of its success is because its not what people traditionally think of as "video games."

By all accounts get her to try WiiSports... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 7 years ago | (#20825973)

Thank you for the suggestion. This would probably work with most people but my wife really HATES video games. I've tried to involve her in many games over the years but she has no interest in any style computer game. She and I grew up with family board games like "Monopoly" and that's what she likes. I still like "Monopoly" too, but I also like my electronic games.

Seriously, WiiSports is THE system seller. If you can get your wife some place where it is being played it should help a lot. If she plays any of the sports (Golf, Tennis, Bowling) it also helps. My parents have never had any interest in Video games either, and currently they own their own Wii, WiiPlay and Tiger Woods golf.

They were sold on it due to WiiSports. When I set it up, they had fun making the Mii's with everyone laughing, and offering suggestions. We even had 3 generations of my family playing Bowling... We all lost to my 84 year old Grandma. :)

The Wii (and WiiSports) is just another "Family game activity" like the Monopoly night she grew up with. If you can get her in an environment where she can see the camaraderie and interaction of the players she can better understand the appeal.

People who hate video games love the Wii (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20834873)

This would probably work with most people but my wife really HATES video games

Wii Sports isn't a video game. It's a simplistic sports simulator. People who hate video games generally (in my experience) love Wii Sports. Also, if she likes Monopoly, buy her Mario Party 8. You can even buy hotels in that game :-)

Re:Duh! (1)

powerlord (28156) | about 7 years ago | (#20827629)

Mostly the bias in the article is in the eye of the beholder.

Instead of "DS outsells PSP 3:1", try "Sony produces first commercially successful non-Nintendo handheld. Captures 25% of the market."

Of course, that wouldn't be as sensational and anti-sony as most of the Slashdot articles we've come to know and love. :)

Re:Duh! (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | about 7 years ago | (#20829597)

Sony's gaming division is hemoraging money - $237M last quarter alone.

Why the PSP is a failure (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20834851)

Yeah, I really don't understand the mentality in the game world of not being in first place means you're a failure.

Well, there's also the question of expectations. After the success of the PS2 and the stagnancy of the GBA, everyone expected Sony to beat Nintendo in the handheld market. When the DS was announced, people thought Nintendo was insane and doomed. It was laughable to expect something quirky like the DS to even sell half as well as something like the PSP. In fact, Nintendo itself said that the DS was only a third pillar next to the GBA, and the real GBA2 would come later. Pre-launch, Sony actually said comparisons between the PSP and the DS were unfair - to Nintendo.

It hasn't quite turned out that way. The DS is outselling the PSP 2:1 worldwide, when everyone expected the PSP to outsell the DS at least 5:1. And that's why the PSP is a failure: Not because it's doing poorly, but because it should be doing a lot better.

PSP is beating Wii right now... (1)

metroid composite (710698) | about 7 years ago | (#20824703)

I agree...not beating the DS does not mean you're a failure. In fact, PSP could conceivably sell the second most hardware among the five next-gen platforms, and seems near-guaranteed to be at least third. It currently has a roughly 12 million lead on the Wii, and is selling reasonably well in all regions. Yeah, it's been outsold by the Wii for the past few months, but not by such a large amount that it couldn't potentially match the Wii's pace if some killer-app made the PSP cool again (as shown by the past two weeks of Japanese sales--I wouldn't be surprised if PSP stayed ahead of Wii on a weekly basis until Mario Galaxy stops that dead). And well...nobody's calling the Wii a failure....

Re:PSP is beating Wii right now... (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | about 7 years ago | (#20826485)

I think it's more just the continued reaction to all the hype that the PSP launched with. Lots of people couldn't stop telling everyone how this was finally going to be the true Gameboy killer. Sony was about to repeat the success they had with the Playstation, and Nintendo was going to be the lose the handheld market dominance just like they lost the console market.

The Wii was generally(with exceptions of course) mocked by much of the gaming media, calling the controller just a gimmick, people were basically writing Nintendo off as as good as dead, etc...

Basically it all boils down to expectations. The PSP was talking like a champ before the game, but has turned out just to be a decent player. It hasn't failed in the sense that it completely tanked, but if its main goal was to completely dominate the competition, then it failed on that account.

Re:PSP is beating Wii right now... (1)

Gravatron (716477) | about 7 years ago | (#20829411)

Actualy I remeber the inverse happening: people endlessly based the PSP as an expensive port machine, while praiseing the wii and DS as the savior of videogames. To even speak ill of nintendo was just unheard of prelaunch. Even now, you can say nothing ill of it. Both are decent systems, but no where near the hype.


Even now, the PSP, like the ps3, is known as a "console with no good games" despite the PSP having a rather good library so far. No one seems to want to give it the time of day though. People seem to like the PSP Slim though, at least from the sales charts. DS games are usualy hit or miss for me. Some are innovative and fun, like elite beat aganets, pheonix wright, etc, and some were just gimicky or tired rehashes. It's a shame the system took so long to come into it's own game wise, although the actualy number of titles worth the money is probabaly the same between the two portables.

Re:PSP is beating Wii right now... (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20834885)

Actualy I remeber the inverse happening: people endlessly based the PSP as an expensive port machine, while praiseing the wii and DS as the savior of videogames

That was after the launch, after the first year of the DS, when the good games started coming out.

To even speak ill of nintendo was just unheard of prelaunch.

You've got to be shitting me. That is the most bold faced lie I've heard all month. Before the DS launch, Nintendo was declared dead and ridiculed by gamers all over the world. How can you compete with the most advanced portable gaming device of all time by releasing a quirky, dual-screened, ugly abomination?

Re:PSP is beating Wii right now... (1)

ookaze (227977) | about 7 years ago | (#20835209)

I agree...not beating the DS does not mean you're a failure. In fact, PSP could conceivably sell the second most hardware among the five next-gen platforms, and seems near-guaranteed to be at least third
There lies your problem. You're putting handheld in competition with home consoles, which is nonsense.
In most cases, you have one console for a home, not several. While you can have one handheld by PERSON in the house, which is also the common case.
Don't compare handheld marketshare with home consoles, that's ridiculous.
It's even more ridiculous, when you know that Nintendo or Sony wouldn't release two different consoles of their own that would compete against each other on the same market. That would be beyond stupid, but it seems you believe that. You're alone, fortunately.

And well...nobody's calling the Wii a failure....
Because nobody's making the mistake of comparing a handheld console to a home console, not even those that make them, which is why there is the Wii and the DS on the market.
If you want to compare the PSP, that's with its only competitor: Nintendo DS!
And Nintendo DS is crushing it, which must be why you try your red herring.
And the PSP is a failure, because most people in the game industry said it would crush the DS. Then they tried to deny it, saying that everybody said the DS was great at launch, which is not true of course. Now that the slim is released, you see that these people didn't disappear, and have come back to say the PSP Slim will destroy the DS Lite. Which is unlikely, but they will realize that in a few weeks, not before.

Re:Duh! (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20834835)

I'm surprised, considering the PSP slim and a FF game came out.

Oh balls yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20822585)

Wii strokin' time!!!

The DS is EVERYWHERE in Tokyo (4, Interesting)

vonPoonBurGer (680105) | about 7 years ago | (#20822637)

I just got back from a week-long trip to Tokyo, and I can say first-hand that the DS is everywhere there. In the time I spent riding subways and trains in the city, I must have seen 50 DS's in use by Tokyo residents. It was rare to get on a train and not see someone using a DS. The variety of titles available for the platform is also staggeringly wide compared to what we have in North America. Some of the more interesting titles I saw: - an interactive wine appreciation guide called "Sommelier DS", as well as an equivalent title for sake - numerous training titles for kanji - numerous training titles for english It's no wonder the DS is selling well in Japan, with the breadth of available Japanese titles it's a viable purchase for anyone who speaks Japanese, young or old, gamer or non-gamer.

Re:The DS is EVERYWHERE in Tokyo (1)

Sciros (986030) | about 7 years ago | (#20823307)

That reminds me, can U.S. DSs run Japanese DS games? Not that I was even able to *find* Revenant Wings in any store but assuming I did...

And yeah I second what you said about the DS being all over the place. On more than one occasion I saw groups of 4 girls sitting around on the sidewalk with their blue and pink and white DS Lites. Overall I think I saw more females playing DS than males, actually.

Re:The DS is EVERYWHERE in Tokyo (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | about 7 years ago | (#20823629)

yes. I have the japanese flavour of Elite Beat Agents sitting in my DS while I type this.

Re:The DS is EVERYWHERE in Tokyo (1)

benzapp (464105) | about 7 years ago | (#20825203)

Amusingly, the exact opposite is true in New York City. I'd say the ratio of PSP to DS users on the NYC subway system is about 10 to 1. It is rare to be in a car where someone isn't playing a PSP (not at nighttime - NYC is 24 hours, unlike Tokyo). Most days I don't see anyone using a DS, and when I do it typically is someone who is East Asian.

I have both systems, but typically play the PSP. It just has more games I enjoy, and I'm a stickler for graphics.

In HK too! (1)

fan of lem (1092395) | about 7 years ago | (#20865881)

I've been living in HK for more than a month now, and take the train (MTR) everyday to school. So far, there is not a time where I didn't see someone playing with a DS lite. I see PSP players too, but the DS players outnumber them about 4:1.

Units? (1)

quanticle (843097) | about 7 years ago | (#20822747)

in April through September, Wii outsold the PlayStation 3 by more than four to one in Japan, with 1.6 Wii units sold versus 385,492 PS3s.

How do you get 3/5 of a unit? Did the submitter mean 1.6 million Wii units?

Re:Units? (1)

iTowelie (1118013) | about 7 years ago | (#20822843)

1 Wii unit = 1,000,000. Therefore 1.6 Wii units = 1,600,000 Wii.

Re:Units? (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about 7 years ago | (#20823845)

No, Wii is the singular form. I'm not sure what the plural is, but Wiis sounds pretty silly. Maybe Wiii?

Re:Units? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 7 years ago | (#20824473)

But how many Wii is an Imperial Wii unit?

Re:Units? (1)

kevin.fowler (915964) | about 7 years ago | (#20822867)

Supply and demand is a bitch. Looks like someone made off with 40% of the last Wii left.

Re:Units? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20823023)

Of course the submitter meant 1.6 million. Are you seriously that fucking dense?

Re:Units? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20824945)

Dense moron, karma whore, it can be so hard to tell sometimes.

Re:Units? (1)

mharms1 (884992) | about 7 years ago | (#20831517)

Everyone know that the Wii is really two Gamecubes duct taped together [joystiq.com] . Maybe the original poster can't add fractions.

Even my mother... (1)

Aladrin (926209) | about 7 years ago | (#20822825)

My mother just bought Brain Age yesterday, and borrowed my DS, because she saw my nephews playing it on theirs. (I gave it to them when I got bored of it, never thinking she might care.) She'll probably buy a DS of her own soon, and she's talking about buying one for my father for the Sudoku and Picross games on it.

My mother also has a Nintendo Wii that she (and my niece and sister) play quite a bit.

Nintendo has really figured out how to capture the 'casual' gamer. I paid for half the Wii because I knew she'd enjoy the Wii bowling, but when she said she wanted a DS, I just stared at her for a moment.

To be fair, she previously bought a PSP because it 'looked neat', but only ever played Lumines twice before I found her a buyer for it to get her money back. And she hasn't bought the DS yet, but does plan to.

Check your units, please (1)

steveo777 (183629) | about 7 years ago | (#20822889)

Wii outsold the PlayStation 3 by more than four to one in Japan, with 1.6 Wii units sold versus 385,492 PS3s

Seems to me that if 1.6 Wii's were sold and 385,492 PS3s were sold that the PS3 would have a pretty good lead... Is this 1.6:1 Wii vs PS3 here or what? You'd think it was a problem with the summery, but this is a quote from TFA...

Re:Check your units, please (1)

H0NGK0NGPH00EY (210370) | about 7 years ago | (#20823991)

I'm fairly certain it was meant to be "1.6 million Wiis."

1,600,000 / 385,492 = ~4.15

Re:Check your units, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20830377)

So, who got sucked into buying 0.6 of a Wii? I know they're thin on the ground, but you'd have to be pretty desperate to settle for a fraction of one.

I have a DS. (1)

Nosklo (815041) | about 7 years ago | (#20822911)

I have a DS with M3 Simply homebrew/warez card and must say I am very satisfied with it. Lots of good games, great homebrew being written, and Opera on DS has saved me many times when I needed a network connection but left my laptop in my other pants.
The only problem is that here no one else seem to have it, at least I have never seen another one but mine. In the 3rd world developing country I live, I can't just go playing in the subway or I will most probably end without it since it would draw so much attention. There are many games that I would like to play multiplayer but can't.
Guess I have to wait more.

Re:I have a DS. (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | about 7 years ago | (#20823529)

left my laptop in my other pants
You seem to have developed a way to use your laptop more, err, "directly" than I do. Please, share you secrets.

Re:I have a DS. (1)

Nosklo (815041) | about 7 years ago | (#20825457)

You seem to have developed a way to use your laptop more, err, "directly" than I do. Please, share you secrets.
This is nothing. You should see when I lost it in my own house [slashdot.org] . Hmmm. Thinking again, you should not.

Re:I have a DS. (2, Funny)

Ant P. (974313) | about 7 years ago | (#20827207)

By day, he posts on Slashdot. But at night... he's MC Hammer.

Tokyo observations (1)

British (51765) | about 7 years ago | (#20822947)

I was in Tokyo a month ago.

At Yobodashi(9 floor store) in Akihabara, I saw 3 Wiis being rung up simultaenously. After doing my shopping there, I stop in the little park-area outside the shop. There was a group of 4 people with a STACK of Wiis, must have been like 14-15 or so. All of them were in Yobodashi bags. Musta been hoarding.

Re:Tokyo observations (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 7 years ago | (#20823753)

Musta been hoarding.
It happens in the US, too. I remember seeing a manager ring up 3 Wiis for a guy at a Best Buy. The dude paid with credit card AND cash. Me thinks the cash went to the manager to hold onto it for him or to sell him more than one.

With how easily you can get one on ebay for over retail price, I wonder if there would be any Wii shortages at all if there weren't any scalpers.

Yes, because (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20823123)

Yes, this is important because Japan is totally a bigger gaming zone than the whole USA and Europe together.

Your product doesn't sell good in Japan == you fail at selling whatsoever.

Why is this even here?

(This post may contain slight traces of sarcasm.)

Re:Yes, because (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 7 years ago | (#20824603)

Sales-wise Japan is about half as large as the US and on par with the "Other" region (Europe, Australia and the whole rest) when it comes to consoles.

Depends on what you want (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20823171)

I've bought a PSP Slim only for homebrew. I don't care about games although I'll try to find a second hand copy of Wipeout Pure as I have fond memories of the original PSX game.

For someone like me, the DS hardware is a joke and can't touch the PSP. As much as I dislike Sony's practices Nintendo is just the lesser of two evils. I'd never buy a product from Microsoft, though. I have a reputation.

Glass -- pwnag3

Of course you can't touch the PSP (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 years ago | (#20830749)

I've bought a PSP Slim only for homebrew.
Which apps or games do you plan to use?

or someone like me, the DS hardware is a joke and can't touch the PSP.
If the DS hardware is a joke, and the PSP doesn't have touch, what do you prefer?

Re:Depends on what you want (1)

LKM (227954) | about 7 years ago | (#20834905)

I've bought a PSP Slim only for homebrew.

Uh... has the Slim's firmware even been hacked? I think not. Fortunately, all DS consoles work perfectly well with homebrew apps, and Nintendo doesn't seem to care.

So yeah, I'd say bad choice on your part.

Handhelds and other consoles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20823173)

If I WERE to buy a new handheld, it'd be the DS Lite hands down winner. It has more games that I'm interested(dungeon crawls) plus some other ones that are worthwhile, mainly being nintendo's own games, e.g. mario, metroid, etc.

The PSP COULD have had a chance if some of the types of games that I were interested were actually released in markets outside of Japan, but they haven't been so far. The PSP is in the same boat that the psx was in when I looked at consoles at that time, alot of interesting games that were released in Japan only, then FFVII for the psx pushed me towards buying one, then we got a relative flood of JRPGs which is mostly what I want in consoles, plus some other decent games like the first Blood Omen(Kain series) game. Didn't care for others in the series as they moved straight away from the formula that made me like the first installment.

Regular consoles: Same goes again, M$ again thinks that consolejacking PC games and shoehorning them into a console is some how a good idea(TM), Sony with the PS3 what arrogant and disdainful of former customers but hedged their bets on the consolejacking aas it will still get some decent consoles games, while Nintendo kept the prices low, performance reasonable, and has, so far, focused exclusive on console type of games which is exactly what I want in a console, hence I'd be buying a Wii if I were to run out and buy a console tomorrow.

Yes, but... (1)

Perseid (660451) | about 7 years ago | (#20823207)

...according to vgchartz.com there are 23.79M PSPs out there. That's a lot of systems and most would say a sign of success. It's only once you look at Nintendo's numbers - 50.64M - that there's a sign of something amiss. That doesn't change the fact that there are 24M PSPs, though, and that's a lot.

I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dust (1)

Aneurism75 (1048530) | about 7 years ago | (#20823487)

I bought a DS and a PSP both when they first came out. I will agree that with standard firmware the DS is better than the PSP, but with custom firmware, the PSP is much, much more interesting. I am not a Sony fanboy (I dont like sony's in your face attitude or business practices), in fact quite the oposite I am a huge Nintendo fan, I have owned every Nintendo system (except the virtual boy), going back to the 'game and watch' and 'table top arcade' games (I had Donkey Kong). In my opinion the PSP is just a better piece of hardware. I suggest picking up a PSP cheap from eBay, from all those that are rushing to sell their PSP to play brain age, put custom firmware on it, get an $80 4GB memory card, and enjoy all the endless homebrew apps.

Re:I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dus (2, Insightful)

xtieburn (906792) | about 7 years ago | (#20825053)

Thats an unfair comparison.

You are comparing a hacked PSP to a DS instead of a hacked PSP to a hacked DS. DS homebrew is great my DS can play movies, have books in it, have all PDA functionality, play music, play SCUMM, have a whole host of homebrew games and a hell of a lot of other stuff.

When it comes down to it the DS beats the PSP in its own right and when you hack them both you have all the same stuff _and_ the DS beats the PSP in its own right.

I would advise you get on ebay buy a cheap DS and an M3 card and enjoy all the endless homebrew apps _or_ play its, largely considered to be far superior, set of games.

Re:I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dus (1)

Aneurism75 (1048530) | about 7 years ago | (#20825355)

I already have a DS as I mentioned in my original post, and I have done custom stuff on that as well with a programable GBA cart... and it wasnt as good as the PSP with custom firmware. I would go blind watching a movie on the DS... I think I will hang on to the DS in case any future games catch my interest, but seriously nothing beats a customized PSP, it can emulate virtually anything, including NES, SNES, GBA, and even DS emulation is in the works.

Re:I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dus (1)

cowscows (103644) | about 7 years ago | (#20826347)

I'm curious to see how they implement dual screens and a touch screen in software for that DS emulation. I sort of understand the mindset of doing something just to see if it can be done, but I hope that we don't have to hear people going around telling everyone that the PSP can act as a DS.

(You'd likely be able to play Advance Wars 2 reasonably well, and that wouldn't be so bad)

Re:I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dus (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | about 7 years ago | (#20830779)

I'm curious to see how they implement dual screens and a touch screen in software for that DS emulation.
A PSP rotated 90 degrees has a 272x480 pixel screen. A DS has a 256x472 pixel screen with a dead band of 88 pixels in the middle. How well did Lemmings work around the lack of touch-like unit selection?

Re:I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dus (1)

pi8you (710993) | about 7 years ago | (#20826919)

I've yet to attempt homebrewing with my DSLite, but while it may offer many of the same homebrewing capabilities as the PSP, the capability of having a truly portable PS1 is what sold me on getting a PSP, as there's tons of cool games that I'd missed the first go around paired with a lot of time away from home for mobile gaming. That and the amazing screen. Looking at stock capabilities, DS wins on the gaming front hands down, but the PSP is a lot more useful as a portable media device than I had ever really expected.

Re:I use my PSP every day, my DS is collecting dus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20826689)

I agree the PSP is great for homebrew, and I personally love hacking systems and the freedom that comes with; I'm not giving up my hacked DS phat for the world! But if homebrew drove the market, the GP2X would be killing.

This is not news (1)

SailorSpork (1080153) | about 7 years ago | (#20823647)

This is the kind of announcement that has been copied and pasted every month since the DS took off. The only thing different about the text of this press release is that it mentioned the PSP Slim launch. They even took the time to mention the Wii killing the PS3. I am a die-hard Nintendo fan, but even I'm getting sick of the broken record...

How is this a /. worthy news post if everyone already knows?

Not so much recently... (1)

seebs (15766) | about 7 years ago | (#20824219)

The PSP Slim and FF7 Crisis Core got a week or so of the PSP outselling the DS about 3-1... But it may not last.
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