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ZOMG New Zunes

CmdrTaco posted about 7 years ago | from the can't-begin-to-care dept.

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BarlowBrad writes "From PC World: "Microsoft announced a new slate of Wi-Fi-equipped Zune players today, including $150 4GB and $200 8GB flash-based players, and a $250 80GB model that's slimmer than the original Zune. All of the new models feature touch-sensitive controls and wireless syncing with your PC, a much-demanded feature that Microsoft will also make available on the original 30GB Zune when the new models debut in mid November." Wireless. More space than a Nomad. But draw your own conclusions."

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But... (4, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 7 years ago | (#20839027)

...can I hack it into a working phone, and then connect it to AT&T....?

Re:But... (0, Troll)

Skafian (671879) | about 7 years ago | (#20839051)

What is the world coming to when Slashdot articles have "zomg" in the title. Idiocracy was a prophecy.

Re:But... (2)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | about 7 years ago | (#20839173)

Did any one else have a ZOMG Ponies flashback for a second?

Re:But... (1, Funny)

flyingsquid (813711) | about 7 years ago | (#20839457)

Did any one else have a ZOMG Ponies flashback for a second?

You know, the way stuff is going, Microsoft might have better luck selling ponies than selling Zunes.

Re:But... (3, Insightful)

cp.tar (871488) | about 7 years ago | (#20839679)

Well, duh. Every little girl wants a pony, but how many have said "Daddy, daddy, I want a Zune!"?

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839201)

1. ZOMG is funny, admit it
2. Will people PLEASE stop using that movie for reference. Yes it was funny, i lawled (zomg!!) but I would appreciate it if people stopped saying "oh, here we go idiocracy was right"

Re:But... (2, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | about 7 years ago | (#20839661)

What is the world coming to when Slashdot articles have "zomg" in the title. Idiocracy was a prophecy.

Being an idiot is cool if you're doing it ironically.

Re:But... (1)

russlar (1122455) | about 7 years ago | (#20839691)

...can I hack it into a working phone, and then connect it to AT&T....?
... and more importantly, can it run Linux?

Draw your own conclusions... (5, Funny)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 7 years ago | (#20839037)

Wireless. More space than a Nomad. But draw your own conclusions.
Lame.

Re:Draw your own conclusions... (3, Informative)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about 7 years ago | (#20839149)

can't buy tracks from the largest online sellers that support windows OS.. napster, walmart, itms.... doesn't work on my mac.... no web surfing or 3rd party software hacks.

Re:Draw your own conclusions... (1)

CrazyTalk (662055) | about 7 years ago | (#20839215)

Actually, for the first time, we see a device that HAS wireless and HAS more space than a Nomad - perhaps it WONT be lame.

Re:Draw your own conclusions... (4, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | about 7 years ago | (#20839407)

The nomads were good solid players. They just sucked in the way that most Asian made hardware does, a lack of interest in developing drivers, firmware or support software. The hardware, was for the most part reliable, as long as you just used the base unit, and treated the headphone jacks with some degree of caution. Never had an issue with it myself.

I know that it is popular for ipod users to badmouth the competition, but the other players aren't bad, they just aren't as popular with thieves. From what I gather, the original zune wasn't a bad player, the woman I know that ones one was happy with it.

Not being compatible with walmart isn't a bad thing, as they pretty much insist on destroying any groundbreaking non pop music they can find, but not being easily used at other stores is probably a bigger problem. And not necessarily the ITMS, although that is rapidly changing, most ipod users apparently don't use the apple store much, so it shouldn't represent a problem for most people.

Re:Draw your own conclusions... (-1, Troll)

Salsaman (141471) | about 7 years ago | (#20839729)

Wireless. More space than a Nomad. Buy one and help fund Microsoft`s attacks on Free Software.

Still gimped "Squirt"... (3, Informative)

nweaver (113078) | about 7 years ago | (#20839049)

You still only get 3 plays out of stuff you transfer to friends...

Re:Still gimped "Squirt"... (4, Funny)

moderatorrater (1095745) | about 7 years ago | (#20839229)

I go with the old frat-house adage that any squirt is a good squirt.

Re:Still gimped "Squirt"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839247)

You still only get 3 plays out of stuff you transfer to friends...

that's more than can be said for itunes.

That's okay... no other player* allows sharing . (1)

Animaether (411575) | about 7 years ago | (#20839965)

Take your bitching to Apple and have them add sharing files to the iPod :)

* I'm sure there's some, somewhere.

Re:Still gimped "Squirt"... (1)

hansamurai (907719) | about 7 years ago | (#20840015)

I never really understood this complaint. Mostly because I know of no other portable MP3 players that allow you to transfer songs wirelessly quickly. Isn't three plays better than zero plays? Ignoring the DRM issues (I never heard for sure whether squirting wraps the song in DRM or not), but this doesn't sound like that horrible of an idea.

disclaimer: I don't own a Zune, Ipod, or even a Rio.

Congratulations Microsoft... (5, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | about 7 years ago | (#20839055)

In other words...

"Microsoft releases iPod killer. However, the new Zune was designed to kill the last generation of iPods - not the currently released iPods."

Re:Congratulations Microsoft... (2, Insightful)

cp.tar (871488) | about 7 years ago | (#20839595)

So, basically, it's just like any other Microsoft product compared to an equivalent Apple product.

Re:Congratulations Microsoft... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839889)

The currently-released iPods are plagued with problems [apple.com] , so you might want to hold off on the sucking-up for a moment.

Re:Congratulations Microsoft... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 years ago | (#20839959)

actually it was designed to kill Gen 1 ipods, but they needed to change a few things to make the muisc labels happier, so now it's only capable of killing 1st gen mp3 players from RCA.

The 3rd gen Zune will only accept music from their pay service, and delete the songs after 10 plays making you pay for them again.

You think I am kidding?

Re:Congratulations Microsoft... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20840047)

"Microsoft releases iPod killer. However, the new Zune was designed to kill the last generation of iPods - not the currently released iPods."
Think more like 2 or 3 generations back.




Wow (0, Flamebait)

bigsam411 (1043552) | about 7 years ago | (#20839065)

At least They got rid of Brown. I guess Bill gates got tired of using the bathroom everytime they wanted to try to sell one.

Re:Wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839129)

Fucking TROLL. Do you like Stve Jobs COCK pounding your ass? How does it stack up against Richard Stallman'a COCK pounding your ass?

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839255)

Wow. Up until now, we thought you just threw furniture. How long have you been having these homo-erotic fantasies?

Refresh my memory... (5, Funny)

mattgreen (701203) | about 7 years ago | (#20839069)

Do we hate this irrationally still? I don't read the newsletter much, but I want to feel like I fit in.

Thanks!

Re:Refresh my memory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839131)

YES! Because before, one of the five colors offered was, get this, BROWN! Obviously it is a subject of great mirth and humor to the pathetic man-children that populate this site.

Re:Refresh my memory... (2, Insightful)

mattgreen (701203) | about 7 years ago | (#20839297)

Brown? Most excellent! I will let you in on a secret: since brown is the same color as excrement, I shall make extremely witty remarks likening the Zune to excrement, despite never using the Zune myself!

Truly, AC, we shall swim in a sea of moderation points and live on brownies alone. Well, forget that last part. That was a bit much on my part. I apologize.

Re:Refresh my memory... (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | about 7 years ago | (#20839221)

No, we've always hated it rationally. Also, you don't have to do what the herd does to fit in here, you can also post smart, witty, insightful, or intriguing posts. If they are well written, and the arguments presentedtherein are cogent, you will be accepted here, as is the case anywhere that nerds congregate. Good luck.

Re:Refresh my memory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839435)

If that's what you tell yourselfso you can sleep at night...

-Anon Coward due to laziness

Re:Refresh my memory... (1)

langelgjm (860756) | about 7 years ago | (#20839473)

Also, you don't have to do what the herd does to fit in here, you can also post smart, witty, insightful, or intriguing posts. If they are well written, and the arguments presentedtherein are cogent, you will be accepted here, as is the case anywhere that nerds congregate.

What planet do you live on, and how do I get there?

More seriously, it seems to me that "Overrated" has become a synonym for "What you say may be true, but I don't like it (or you), so I am going to mod it down."

Re:Refresh my memory... (0)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 7 years ago | (#20839895)

Overrated means, I'm modding you down just because I can. When someone with mod points lacks any legitimate argument against something you said but they still disagree with you, that's when the -1 overrated is used. It's happened to me before a couple times. The over/under rated mods are useless and should be removed. If something is underrated, MOD IT UP, if something is overrated, find something better and MOD IT UP.

Re:Refresh my memory... (4, Insightful)

Liquidrage (640463) | about 7 years ago | (#20839477)

What is the rational arguement then?

You can rip your CD's, or get Mp3's or whatever from elsewhere that don't have DRM built into them, and it'll never question where your music came from. It's had a nice form factor and disk space for the price. Had a nice looking screen, and built in FM.

A DRM-gimped wireless music sharing feature that no other device really has anyways? OK, so don't use it.

Where nerds congregate (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839865)

Interestingly, I've been paying attention to this story on some of the unmoderated comment nerd boards. It seems like there's some kind of astroturfing campaign going on. Check Digg, where this story has hit the 10 ten twice and any comment that is negative about the Zune is voted down to obscurity. Since I just can't imagine that there are more than abot 4 Zune fans, where are all these diggs coming from? Other boards are showing the same effect. I suspect shenanigans.

Slashdot with it's infinitely more responsible moderation system doesn't show the same pro-Zune bias. (or maybe that's the proported Slashdot anti-MS bias).

Re:Refresh my memory... (4, Insightful)

fbjon (692006) | about 7 years ago | (#20839245)

I find your ideas outdated, and wish to unsubscribe [slashdot.org] you from our newsletter.


By the way, given the headline, shouldn't Zonk have posted this story?

Re:Refresh my memory... (5, Interesting)

hobo sapiens (893427) | about 7 years ago | (#20839257)

"Do we hate this irrationally still?"

No. It is hated because it's an inferior product. Maybe it has nice capabilities, but these are then crippled by obsession over "content protection". The Zune is made to placate the RIAA, from it's DRM laden squirt "feature" to the pirate protection cost built into the price. It totally ignores even MSFT initiatives like playsForSure, which is just sloppy in my opinion. In fact, that's why I hate it the most. Not because of the DRM (because I don't care about that since I won't buy one) but because of the sloppy you'll-take-what-we-give you attitude from MSFT. They didn't even have the foresight to make it play well with their own stuff.

So, to sum up: hated, yes. Irrationally, no. There is no newsletter to read here, just read about the product.

Re:Refresh my memory... (1)

mattgreen (701203) | about 7 years ago | (#20839547)

So do you wake up every night at precisely 2:43am in a cold sweat, and shake your fist in the general direction of Redmond, yelling, "CURSE YOU FOR RELEASING ZUNE! CURSE YOU!! I SHALL HAVE MY REVENGE!!"? Of course its an inferior product with limited capabilities. Why do you think it hasn't taken over the market? Along with 20 other me-too products that have one or two additions over the iPod. Except they aren't the subject of this "hate." You never hear about the little Samsung player or the crappy early Zen versions. There is no rationality here, only a herd mentality at work.

(For the record, I could care less about the Zune, I use a 3G iPod that somehow still runs perfectly. I do enjoy pointing out these glaring logical inconsistencies and the backpedaling that people make to cover for them.)

Re:Refresh my memory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839803)

So then if you "could care less" you actually care about it? I'm confused unless you mean you "COULDN'T care less"?

Re:Refresh my memory... (1)

hobo sapiens (893427) | about 7 years ago | (#20839913)

*sigh*

The only reason I am replying to this post is that it made me laugh. That has to count for something, even if you said I was backpedaling. As if!

I feel about the same way about the Zune as I do when I see a colossal trainwreck [hvysl.org] of a web site (since I am a web developer). No, there is no personal vendetta, it just irritates that someone could be *that* inattentive to details...well, no, details is the wrong word here. I should say inattentive to things that *aren't* minor details, like, oh, backwards compatibility with your other products. The way I see it, that's attributable to three factors in varying measure: 1) arrogance, 2) incompetence, and 3) apathy.

Re:Refresh my memory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20840065)

Maybe it has nice capabilities, but these are then crippled by obsession over "content protection"
How do I get music off an iPod again? Oh that's right you can't.

Well, actually you can. Winamp5 allows this, and does a much better job managing your iPod than iTunes. MS might be obsessed with control, but Apple is too, and sometimes even more than MS.

The windows version of iTunes is probably the most unstable, buggy, slow POS media app I've EVER seen. It slows my entire system to a crawl doing the simplest things, the UI is glitchy and unresponsive and everywhere Apple tries to push their ITMS on you (No thanks, I get all my music, TV and movies for free, and in better quality). If it weren't for the fact that iTunes is the only officially supported software for using the iPod, which is a good player even if a little expensive, no one would use it.

Re:Refresh my memory... (1)

rev_sanchez (691443) | about 7 years ago | (#20839553)

I picked up a white Zune for $150 off of Woot a month or so ago (I think you can get them off of there now for a bit less when they come up). It cost about as much as a 2gig Ipod nano at the time and had 15x more space. It was much bulkier but it could play videos and I have pockets. I don't care about squirting the music so I turned the wireless off.

So far I'm pretty happy with it and the only things I'd change are that it's difficult to put videos on it, the battery life is shorter than the nano, and it takes longer to recharge but the battery issues aren't bad.

I like my Zune.

what about the DRM "feature"? (3, Funny)

MoFoQ (584566) | about 7 years ago | (#20839101)

what about the DRM "feature" that essentially made the original zune so...pointless and unwanted by many?

Re:what about the DRM "feature"? (1)

omega_dk (1090143) | about 7 years ago | (#20839227)

From this article [nytimes.com] They are eliminating the time requirement, and letting you share music that was shared to you, but keeping the 3 listens. But you can still squirt to your heart's content! Also, it will still be DRM'd squirts. They are just a bit less limited.

DRM is DRM (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | about 7 years ago | (#20839559)

even still...a limit is a limit.

plus with the wifi, u probably be breaking the new law in Japan when u fly with it:
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/03/1620259 [slashdot.org]

Re:DRM is DRM (1)

dabraun (626287) | about 7 years ago | (#20840093)

What, are they going to ban laptops while they're at it? How many laptops today *don't* have wireless. Stupid airline industry.

Re:what about the DRM "feature"? (3, Informative)

dedazo (737510) | about 7 years ago | (#20839961)

You mean sharing songs with people wirelessly and getting to listen to those songs three times? Which is three times more than the iPod? Does that make it "unwanted by many"? Because otherwise the "DRM" thing is applicable only to songs purchased from their online store. You can rip your song collection and put it in the Zune without involving any DRM whatsoever. Is this not how the iPod works as well?

Microsostrich (5, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | about 7 years ago | (#20839121)

It seems Microsoft's answer to the ipod Touch and the iphone interface id to ignore it completely. And whereas the improvements to the Zune (V1, I suppose) are welcome and useful, I don't really see how it is supposed to beat out an ipod any time soon. What people will do is compare the Touch to the Zune (no matter how unfair that comparison is), conclude that the touch is better, and then buy an ipod if they can't afford the Touch. Yes, people are weird that way - having the market-leader, even if it's not generally affordable, is a big push for sales across the board.

Also, it's not the player - I still can't believe people are missing this. It's the synergy of the player, the music, the store, the industrial design, the marketing and the ubiquity. MS have just changed maybe 2 of these (the design looks to be better). That's not sufficient.

If you saw any of the zune V1 adverts, I think you'll agree they were just plain weird - Apple's promotion of (ahem) a *music* player was to show people enjoying their music. Microsoft's approach should be a case-study in how not to market stuff -
  • "the social" is a term of derision for unemployment benefit,
  • "squirting" music. Really ? That was really what you came up with ?
  • brown. Enough said. (although some will like it, it's not the #1 choice of everyone, is it?)
  • Complete disconnect from the product when marketing it. What ???
  • I could go on... the problems were legion


Let's see if they do better this time around. I think they will, marginally. I still don't think they have a world-changer on their hands, and that's what they need - in the same way as Apple need a world-changer to upset the MS hegemony in the PC sphere; even with steadily increasing monthly saled percentages (far better than the zune is doing), a Mac is still very much a second-tier choice.

So - nice try MS. Must do better.

Simon

The iPhone/touch is new, remember... (1)

nweaver (113078) | about 7 years ago | (#20839307)

It will take months to come up with a competitor. These products were probably at manufacturing approval stage before Microsoft got their hands on an iPhone.

Re:The iPhone/touch is new, remember... (4, Insightful)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 7 years ago | (#20839521)

Which tends to be the problem when you're copying instead of innovating.

Re:Microsostrich (1)

Otter (3800) | about 7 years ago | (#20839323)

"the social" is a term of derision for unemployment benefit

What country are you in? I've never heard that usage before and a web search didn't turn up anything.

Re:Microsostrich (2, Interesting)

Zebra_X (13249) | about 7 years ago | (#20839525)

"It's the synergy of the player, the music, the store, the industrial design, the marketing and the ubiquity."

I used to think this is why the iPod was so great. However, the greatness of the iPod is diminishing imo.

iTunes was great at managing music. Then apple went and added movies, tv and video. The interface for managing that video was crap however. I was shocked that apple would realease a "video player" that could not play full screen. In addition the video files were useless unless you had a video iPod or your computer hooked up to your TV or Apple's lovely $300 movie player. You could not burn them either. None of this was disclosed at time of purchase which was diappointing.

Scalability is not in Apple's vocab. My library consists of 8000+ songs. Itunes on average uses in excess of 100 mb or ram. The music player beats out Outlook, Word, and Excel combined. Bloat anyone? Not to mention that it does not clean up it's temporary XML library files resulting in GB of litter after a year of usage.

iTunes is a rip off. Apple would have you believe that they are doing eveyone a favor of "fixing" the price of music at 99 cents. Yet, Amazon has just shown that in fact, the same music just doesn't need to cost that much. In addition, Amazons music is unencumbered. Although, I generally don't get how music can cost the same delivered virtually or physically regardless of who is selling it to me.

The iPod is nice to look at though!

But I'll be honest I own two iPods I don't use itunes anymore (winamp works nicely) and I buy my music elsewhere.

Re:Microsostrich (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839549)

I don't see how this product could ever compete with the iPod Touch... I got my Touch a little more than a week ago (it was my first apple mp3 player) and it's so awesome, if it had a dick I'd suck it.

Re:Microsostrich (1)

grumbler (38006) | about 7 years ago | (#20839701)

Well, I can't talk about the other people, but for me was due to the player interface.
I couldn't care less for the store, and actually there's no iTunes for Linux (and that's a good think) so the so called "integration" is also totally irrelevant for me.

Re:Microsostrich (1)

cain (14472) | about 7 years ago | (#20839833)

I could go on... the problems were legion

Yeah - the Legion of Doom! (buh dum dum)

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the waitress.

The interesting thing (3, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | about 7 years ago | (#20839125)

Is that I hear they are backporting all of the new features to the original Zune. So gen 1 Zunes would get the wifi improvements etc. Hey Apple you listening?

Re:The interesting thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839425)

Apple has backported features to older iPods for years and years. Typically not all features (some require new hardware, of course) and typically only one product cycle back, but it's been common nonetheless.

Re:The interesting thing (4, Insightful)

Arcturax (454188) | about 7 years ago | (#20839721)

Explain to me how Apple is to backport video to ipods with no video decoder hardware or the ram to run them. Explain how to backport wireless to ipods with no wireless transmitter.

Apple has backported a lot of features, but not all are possible to back port due to hardware limitations. It's like asking Sony to backport your cassette based walkman to play CD's.

Re:The interesting thing (1)

homer_ca (144738) | about 7 years ago | (#20840013)

I can think of one feature. They backported Shuffle Songs to my 3G ipod, and they gave it its own item in the top menu. I know. Whoop Dee Doo.

Re:The interesting thing (1)

fred fleenblat (463628) | about 7 years ago | (#20840149)

OMG I am so bummed I didn't buy a 1st gen zune so I could get free back ports of the wifi and playsforsure capabilities that were crippled in the first place.

size (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839127)

does anyone know exactly how large the 80 gb version is? its priced identical to the 80 gb ipod, but it has a bigger screen. from eyeballing the pictures, it looks like it is significantly larger.

DRM (1)

Sensi (64510) | about 7 years ago | (#20839133)

Wireless sync and no DRM is a great step in the right direction. The software update even applies to the old Zune. Very unlike Microsoft. Good to see.

Getting closer... still not there. (1)

RingDev (879105) | about 7 years ago | (#20839375)

It's got Wifi, and it has a screen... but I still can't check my email or /. on it.

As such, my 4 year old Axiom still beats the pants off of either a iPood or the Zune.

-Rick

How do I order? (1)

sjonke (457707) | about 7 years ago | (#20839143)

How do I order the "new black is the new white" color?

Buhuhuhu. (4, Insightful)

stonecypher (118140) | about 7 years ago | (#20839161)

Does it do Plays For Sure yet? No, no, sorry, nevermind, I don't want to ruin the slashvertisement.

I've never got the point of wireless synching... (5, Insightful)

Goth Biker Babe (311502) | about 7 years ago | (#20839191)

You still have to charge the thing. How difficult is it to plug your player in before you go to bed and in the morning it's charged and synched.

Re:I've never got the point of wireless synching.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839641)

Why is it that when the Zune first came with wireless but only for the sharing feature did hundreds of slashdotters bitch that it would be more useful for syncing and now that they include it for syncing as well we're going to see it bashed?

Be anti-MS all you want but at least be consistent. When MS delivers the product with upgrades that users have been asking for and they get bashed for including it that only means to me that the bashers are little cry babies who look for any reason to cry about the shit in their own diapers.

If you want to plug the thing in then just fucking plug it in. No need to make a big deal over being offered an alternative.

What the fuck am I saying? This is slashdot, nothing is ever good enough for anyone.

Re:I've never got the point of wireless synching.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839743)

The point of wireless syncing:

You have your player in a dock connected to a stereo in another room (but not connected to a computer). With wifi syncing, you can sync it without removing it from that dock.

What would be even better would be some sort of scheduled auto-syncing, and to take it a step further being able to remote control the player over wifi.

How dare they (4, Funny)

fermion (181285) | about 7 years ago | (#20839193)

How dare they introduce a better product so soon after the original was released. What about the dozens of early adopters that spent good money on the first generation Zune. I hope MS will give some sort of trade in to compensate those that were conned into buying the original, inferior, zune. It has not even been a year!

Frankly I think we are lucky that they did not change the DRM and force everyone to buy new tracks for the new player.

Re:How dare they (1)

Sciros (986030) | about 7 years ago | (#20839333)

You're probably just joking around, but really with all these players (Creative, Apple, MS) as long as your music doesn't have copy protection on it to begin with it will play on any of these players just fine, no questions asked. So just don't load up on DRMed music to begin with, and then you won't have to worry about whether these players support DRMed tracks or not (that is, whether they honor the DRM restrictions or not).

Re:How dare they (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839359)

What about the dozens^h of^h^h^h early adopters that spent good money on the first generation Zune.

The free ones don't count, so I fixed the above senetnce for you.

Re:How dare they (2, Insightful)

Scottoest (1081663) | about 7 years ago | (#20839453)

I know you were being sarcastic, but Microsoft is actually extending this update to old Zune owners - meaning they aren't really missing out on anything.

- Scott

Re:How dare they (1)

sangreal66 (740295) | about 7 years ago | (#20839633)

How dare they introduce a better product so soon after the original was released. What about the dozens of early adopters that spent good money on the first generation Zune. I hope MS will give some sort of trade in to compensate those that were conned into buying the original, inferior, zune. It has not even been a year!

Frankly I think we are lucky that they did not change the DRM and force everyone to buy new tracks for the new player.

They are updating the original Zune firmware to support all of the features in the new model.

If they really want to sell it.... (0, Flamebait)

mlwmohawk (801821) | about 7 years ago | (#20839225)

They have to lower the price to 1/2 of the cost of an equivalent ipod. (Implicit Pile Of Dung)

 

Epic win (1)

SignupRequired (1165001) | about 7 years ago | (#20839233)

Wireless. More space than a Nomad.
This put a big stupid smile on my big stupid face. Thanks!

So how much... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839239)

is Microsoft paying Universal per Zune to have DRM-free mp3's?

Interface (4, Funny)

llthomps (470748) | about 7 years ago | (#20839277)

http://www.zunescene.com/zune2pics/zc1-380.jpg [zunescene.com]

With only seven options on the main menu, you think they could've fit it on to a single screen (settings is below the fold). This is the sort of crap that makes me not take Microsoft seriously. To quote SNL - "Who's the marketing genius who came up with that one?"

Zune. No grapes, no nuts. What's the deal?

Still not clear whether they have fixed Wifi (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839281)

So the next generation can wirelessly synch with a desktop. This still misses the potential for wireless.

Can I access the store and buy music DIRECTLY ON THE DEVICE?

Can I download free MP3's available on the Web DIRECTLY ON THE DEVICE?

Can I listen to online streams? (including the BBC, so realplayer may be needed)

Does it have a PodCatcher, or can I add one, so that I can download podcasts DIRECTLY ON THE DEVICE?

Can I use it without ever synching anything with a desktop?

These are the features that could set the Zune apart (yes, even from the iPod) It isn't clear that they get it yet.

Upon news of the release (1)

valkabo (840034) | about 7 years ago | (#20839283)

Microsofts stock plummeted 12.5%

Unpopular... (5, Interesting)

Scottoest (1081663) | about 7 years ago | (#20839337)

I know this opinion will be like an STD here, but the new Zunes actually seem alright.

Disclaimer: I pre-ordered an iPod Touch last week, and am actually expecting it to arrive today via FedEx.

Ars Technica had an overview of the major changes yesterday:
        * Wireless syncing with a PC? Check.
        * Software now supports podcasts? Check.
        * Move TV shows automatically to the Zune? Check.
        * Share whole playlists, albums, and podcasts (with no more silly time restrictions)? Check.
        * Bring DRM-free music to the Zune Store? Check.

For Windows users, those actually seem like pretty nifty features. The wireless syncing alone is pretty darn cool, and is a feature iPod users like myself have wanted for a while (and my iPod touch STILL will not have). The DRM-free music bit is obviously in response to Apple, but it is a welcome move no matter what the catalyst. Being able to record TV shows using Media Center, and then move those recorded shows to the Zune is nice functionality too.

I also think it was pretty good of Microsoft to extend this firmware update to existing Zune owners, so they get all of this new functionality, and aren't pushed to buy a new Zune.

It's also worth noting that the new Zune's don't come in brown (the 80GB one only comes in black, for example), according to Ars.

I am an iTMS user, so the iPod touch is still my personal preference (and I like the iPhone UI), but for others, the Zune 2.0 finally seems like a more than decent alternative.

With that in mind - flame away.

- Scott

Re:Unpopular... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839639)

How can an opinion be like an STD? It spreads rapidly throughout the general population, but doesn't catch on with the slashdot crowd?

Re:Unpopular... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 7 years ago | (#20839821)

My only objection to the wireless syncing idea is that a lot of people seem to not realize or at least acknowledge that it has drawbacks. The thing will still have to be charged somehow, wireless does take power where wired syncing will charge the device. Also, the speed of the syncing will be at best, twice as fast as USB 1.1 for WiFi "g", because "g" gets at most 20Mbps actual data speed. Maybe Zune has "n", but the linked story doesn't seem to say so.

If those demanding wireless syncing understand this, then go right on ahead. Those that aren't aware of these issues, then they might be in for disappointment.

Re:Unpopular... (1)

Rui Lopes (599077) | about 7 years ago | (#20839911)

Disclaimer: I pre-ordered an iPod Touch last week, and am actually expecting it to arrive today via FedEx.
So, where's your home then?

Microsoft = Poor Quality Crap (0, Troll)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | about 7 years ago | (#20839341)

So what! MS releases a new version of their also ran crap Zune and the world yawns. What is their market share right now? 1%? This release will not cause their share to even wiggle.

Re:Microsoft = Poor Quality Crap (1)

kurokaze (221063) | about 7 years ago | (#20839675)

Yet your website faithfully serves up Powerpoint slides (and even Visio! *gasp*) for Java lectures?

Oh the hypocrisy!

Re:Microsoft = Poor Quality Crap (1)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | about 7 years ago | (#20839755)

Yes, these were written before anything like StarOffice or OpenOffice existed. However, if you were to actually VIEW the slides, you would see that Microsoft is the butt of recurring mockery and other jokes. So, despite having no alternative to Powerpoint in 1999, I had the opinion then that I do now. I also note that you didn't point out how the fact that my lectures are about the topic of Java--which is itself a competitor that is killing MS.

But (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 7 years ago | (#20839469)

does it have Gapless Playback? Please tell me it's got Gapless Playback.

Legal issues (1)

multisync (218450) | about 7 years ago | (#20839529)

Wouldn't that be stealing [slashdot.org] ?

Perhaps If The Zune Had This Capability... (1)

blcamp (211756) | about 7 years ago | (#20839581)


Being able to play Halo 3 on it.

Early Adopters (1)

mynickwastaken (690966) | about 7 years ago | (#20839601)

Early adopters will get 200 USD off for the the flash bassed models (4Gb and 8Gb).
This means that the 8Gb model will be free as in beer and for the 4Gb model Microsoft will pay you 50 USD if you buy it.
Truly iTouch killer.
Take that Apple.

What Microsoft needs (1)

fishthegeek (943099) | about 7 years ago | (#20839663)

Is a headphone jack on the Surface table! Now that would be a PMP that would sell!

zomg ZOMG?! (0)

atari2600 (545988) | about 7 years ago | (#20839699)

So "ZOMG" is now officially acceptable for slashdot article titles? What next? OMGZ? WTFBBQ? TITZ? Oh oh oh letz go 4 TEH last one PLZTHXBAI!!11. LOLOLOL.

the Zune? (1)

apodyopsis (1048476) | about 7 years ago | (#20839851)

ah yes, that's what happens when you have a huge bank roll and an utter, ruthless determination to penetrate all markets regardless (xbox, media center, zune, mobiles, pdas). that way you can run at a loss whilst trying to unseat generally successful and entrenched designs with nothing more then pale imitations.

on one hand it's good business. on the other its desperate tactics.

on the gripping hand its still a untrusted (at least by me) DRM infected iPod wannabe with only the merest smidgen of innovation and limited wireless capabilities that make sense only if all your friends had zunes as well.

bottom line: if it was format friendly, had decent free and documented SDKs, and no DRM I would buy one in a flash - but as is? no way.

Squirt Upgraded? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20839855)

Have they upgraded squirting to splashing?

Double standard (3, Insightful)

starlabs (610056) | about 7 years ago | (#20839867)

I've always wondered about this... and it perplexed me to no great end that no one in the media mentioned this...

When the Zune came out, everybody lambasted it for not having wireless syncing, even though it had WiFi (come on, this is a "duh of course you should have it" feature). Yet the iPhone came out and it didn't have wireless syncing EITHER. But nobody complained, heck nobody even MENTIONED this. AND... the Zune didn't have the capability to be used as a storage device (e.g. usb drive). Guess what? Neither does the iPhone and iPod Touch!

I'm not a Microsoft nor Apple fanboy (heck, I have an iPhone myself!). But I'm curious as to why no one's complaining about the lack of wireless syncing with iTunes with either the iPhone or iPod Touch. Seems like a... "duh of course you should have it" feature. :) Definitely a double standard. Apple up to this point has had a lot of slack given to it, both by the media and its users. They better be careful though, with all the missteps lately with the iPhone (price drop timing, locking down the device, etc) they shouldn't rest on their laurels. I for one, will never buy an Apple product again within 6 months of its introduction.

(I do know that at least one review complained of the lack of use as a disk drive - iLounge's review).

Up your Game (2, Interesting)

JamesRose (1062530) | about 7 years ago | (#20839873)

Seriously, microsoft wants to take this market. If they really want this, why aren't they pushing the boundaries, middle of the road design, middle of the road capacities, and a mediocre implementation of their killer feature. Seriously, how hard would it be for them to stick in a 250gb hard disk, keep the product small, sell it for a loss, and wait for higher uptake and lower costs whilst keeping their products at the high end price ($300). No one seems to play the long game anymore, so Apple never gets challenged.

Re:Up your Game (1)

imsabbel (611519) | about 7 years ago | (#20840127)

Pretty hard, considering that those HDs are only available at 160GB (and those are apple exclusive, too)

huh (3, Informative)

eyeareque (454991) | about 7 years ago | (#20839909)

What's a Zune? :)

Re:huh (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 7 years ago | (#20840033)

What's a Zune? :)

Ah, you live in Europe too!

Welcomed Competition (1)

Kuvter (882697) | about 7 years ago | (#20839955)

I've not bought a Zune nor an Ipod, but I welcome the competition. I've seen improvements now in both and a price drop to go along with it. Currently $10 hand held CD player can do everything I need for my lifestyle, but with the improved storage capacity, lower price, and other features both are getting closer to a point where I'd consider a purchase.
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