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Federal Government Inadvertently Deleted Ca.Gov

samzenpus posted about 7 years ago | from the did-you-need-that dept.

Security 195

An anonymous reader writes "A Network World reader whose brother works for a California state agency forwarded me an e-mail alert that his brother received: "The Department of Technology Services (DTS) has notified us that the Federal Government inadvertently deleted the CA.GOV domain. As the evening progresses you may experience an impact in your ability to access some Web sites and exchange e-mail. DTS is working with their federal counterparts to restore service as quickly as possible but service may not be restored until tomorrow morning.""

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behind the scenes (5, Funny)

cez (539085) | about 7 years ago | (#20845513)

"We don't for sure have the whole picture, but as we understand it, there was some event at the Transportation Authority of Marin Country where their site got hacked," Hanacek told me this afternoon. Traffic was being redirected from that site to one featuring pornography.

A department within the U.S. General Services Administration in Washington oversees and polices the .gov domain.

"The federal government saw this incorrect use of ca.gov and they made a change at a much more global level than probably was necessary and it started taking down all of our ca.gov domain," says Hanacek. "That impacted Web access and e-mail services."


Damn... all this because someone pointed their IP surveillance camera at the nude beach across the street.

just like katrina (4, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | about 7 years ago | (#20845521)

The Department of Technology Services (DTS) has notified us that the Federal Government inadvertently deleted the CA.GOV domain.

That's not a mistake, someone just put FEMA's earthquake-recovery plan into action a little bit early.

Re:just like katrina (5, Funny)

Enlightenment (1073994) | about 7 years ago | (#20845621)

That's not recovery. That's acceptance.

Re:just like katrina (5, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | about 7 years ago | (#20845791)

Were the administrators responsible for this also graduates of Oral Roberts University? They're everywhere else in government . . .

Re:just like katrina (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 7 years ago | (#20845809)

Deleting CA.GOV? I didn't realize that FEMA was planning was to actually erase Arnold Schwarzenegger.

When you hire the Eraser (1996) (4, Funny)

infonography (566403) | about 7 years ago | (#20845955)

what did you think would happen?

Re:When you hire the Eraser (1996) (1)

WallaceAndGromit (910755) | about 7 years ago | (#20846311)

I'll be back... tomorrow.

Re:When you hire the Eraser (1996) (1)

stretch0611 (603238) | about 7 years ago | (#20847615)

Actually, Thanks to skynet he be be sent back to yesterday. The exact number of years depending on the specific movie.

Simple to fix? (3, Informative)

jfroot (455025) | about 7 years ago | (#20845547)

Can they not just:

# scp bkuser@backupserver:/etc/bind/zones/gov.ca.zonefile /etc/bind/zones
# service named reload

voila!

Re:Simple to fix? (2, Insightful)

cez (539085) | about 7 years ago | (#20845617)

doesn't sound like they deleted it to me, more like they routed it to nowhere, and propagated that route across the network and root DNS servers...

Re:Simple to fix? (4, Informative)

Achromatic1978 (916097) | about 7 years ago | (#20845967)

How do you "route" a domain name? Sure you can point the authoritive NS's to some black hole, but that's easily enough reversed. DNS changes don't 'propagate' upstream. They can be cached downstream, but nothing irrevocable, and there's no route to propagate. "ca.gov" is not a AS network.

Re:Simple to fix? (1, Troll)

cez (539085) | about 7 years ago | (#20846213)

Depends on the point of entry into where the domain is hosted. "Sure you can point the authoritive NS's to some black hole", as the hacker did to point them to porn, goatse is a black hole. But seeing as how they took out more than just web servers, static routes could be propagated through the arp tables of core routers causing oblivion to where the Name Servers results are sending requests...


I don't know exactly how what happened, but obviously they didn't handle it well.

Re:Simple to fix? (1)

v1 (525388) | about 7 years ago | (#20846773)

that's probably the problem. It probably went several hours before anyone noticed it got blackholed and fixed it, and by that time it had flowed downstream and tanked quite a few lower level DNS's. That's why they said the problem won't be fixed until tomorrow, because that's what it will take for the tanked DNS's caches to expire and them to refresh from their authority.

Re:Simple to fix? (1)

megaditto (982598) | about 7 years ago | (#20846135)

No, not if they still want to get that Medal of Freedom.

Re:Simple to fix? (1)

sholdowa (242332) | about 7 years ago | (#20846229)

Only if they use bind on linux, and even then my zones are under /etc/bind/namedb... and you'd have to update the serial to get it to propagate, too.

Re:Simple to fix? (2, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 7 years ago | (#20846803)

ssh: backupserver: Name or service not known
lost connection

Sorry (1)

IamWasabi (981508) | about 7 years ago | (#20845549)

I believe little to none of what I hear anymore.
How do you accidently delete an entire domain?
I call - liar,liar pants on fire.

Re:Sorry (4, Insightful)

Dachannien (617929) | about 7 years ago | (#20845657)

Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.

Re:Sorry (1)

pembo13 (770295) | about 7 years ago | (#20845925)

you know, that is really getting played out

Re:Sorry (1)

spicate (667270) | about 7 years ago | (#20846557)

Why not?

Re:Sorry (4, Insightful)

untaken_name (660789) | about 7 years ago | (#20846861)

Malice gets you fired, while stupidity gets excused and forgiven. Which would you prefer your actions to be seen as?

Re:Sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845667)

doesn't sound like they deleted it to me, more like they routed it to nowhere, and propagated that route across the network and root DNS servers...

...sorry replied to the wrong post above

Re:Sorry (2, Funny)

speedingant (1121329) | about 7 years ago | (#20845681)

Then you won't have any problems not believing that the Terminator did it, and he's slowly deleting the entire internet. Think about it in a positive light, go play frisbee or something.

Re:Sorry (4, Informative)

statemachine (840641) | about 7 years ago | (#20845731)

It's easy to delete a domain. Delete the zone file on the primary name server and reload the daemon. That's only two steps, and it would really ruin your day if you didn't keep a backup on hand. Why would you think it's not hard to do?

Re:Sorry (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845843)

How do you accidently delete an entire domain?

You're grossly over-estimating the competence of the federal government. The only thing surprising about this is that they didn't delete the entire .gov domain.

Re:Sorry (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845945)

Who says they didn't? Here, try FBI for example: http://fbi.gov/ [fbi.gov]

Re:Sorry (1)

Rebelgecko (893016) | about 7 years ago | (#20846111)

Who says they didn't? Here, try FBI for example: http://fbi.gov/ [fbi.gov]
I say they didn't. http://www.fbi.gov/ [fbi.gov] works fine, even though it is silly that the www is required.

In related news... (5, Funny)

dws90 (1063948) | about 7 years ago | (#20845551)

Shortly after this story broke, it was announced that Federal Offices were raided by an Austrian Cyborg who repeatedly shouted "My domain will be back!". The identity of the intruder is currently under investigation.

Re:In related news... (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 7 years ago | (#20845863)

I can give them a hint ... CA.GOV.

Yo DTS Help Desk!!! (1)

pedropolis (928836) | about 7 years ago | (#20845563)

While you're at it, why not delete whitehouse.gov?

Re:Yo DTS Help Desk!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845709)

But that's my favourite porn site!

Re:Yo DTS Help Desk!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845743)

gratuitous gH [wikipedia.org] plug...

Re:Yo DTS Help Desk!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845857)

Because they're all too busy over at whitehouse.com...

Ooops. (5, Funny)

conlaw (983784) | about 7 years ago | (#20845571)

At least the Feds don't have to worry about Iraq, Iran, et al. for the next few days. They've probably upset The Terminator and, as we all know, he'll be back.

who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845573)

California isn't still part of the US, is it?

Re:who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (1, Interesting)

djh101010 (656795) | about 7 years ago | (#20845615)

Unfortunately, yes. But, should California ever decide to secede, I will be in full support of same.

Re:who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (1)

TGTilde (874930) | about 7 years ago | (#20845661)

At that point .ca will be the top level domain.. ;)

Re:who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845685)

Canada doesn't want anything to do with California either.

Re:who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 7 years ago | (#20845785)

Canada doesn't want anything to do with California either.

Um, didn't California's Governator recently sign a number of treaties with Canadian provinces to take concrete action on global warming emissions and development of alternative energy sources?

I think Canada might care, actually.

Re:who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 years ago | (#20845845)

Only on paper for tax revenue.. In spirit, we lost them long ago.

Re:who really cares, when does ca.mx go live? (3, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 7 years ago | (#20847001)

Well, the northern part is, but the southern part never was.

Inadvertently? Um, might want to check further (0, Offtopic)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 7 years ago | (#20845575)

I noticed Karl Rove and Dick Cheney sneaking around earlier, saying something about SCHIP ...

Re:Inadvertently? Um, might want to check further (1)

iknownuttin (1099999) | about 7 years ago | (#20845587)

Gotta keep those pinko Californeeeanns in line! Gkgkgkgkgk....

G. Bush.

I sense a disturbance in the Force... (1)

schwaang (667808) | about 7 years ago | (#20845715)

...as if millions of URLs cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Re:I sense a disturbance in the Force... (2, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 7 years ago | (#20845755)

Your pitiful Green State shall not stop the Power of the Red Bushie side of the Force!

Soon you shall feel the might of this fully operational Iraq Embassy!

Terrorists .... (5, Insightful)

snoggeramus (945056) | about 7 years ago | (#20845583)

Terrorists we can handle. What really scares is an attack of the stupids.

Re:Terrorists .... (1, Insightful)

petsounds (593538) | about 7 years ago | (#20847269)

What do you mean? We are besieged by them every day! They have infiltrated the highest levels of our government and the lowest levels of bureaucracy. We live in dangerous times, my friend.

Re:Terrorists .... (2, Informative)

Thaelon (250687) | about 7 years ago | (#20847529)

The term you're looking for is weaponized stupidity. Remember it. Use it. Enjoy it.

Why wait? (5, Funny)

amccaf1 (813772) | about 7 years ago | (#20845605)

I see the federal government isn't waiting around for the San Andreas Fault do to its work... they're cutting California free now!

Re:Why wait? (2, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 7 years ago | (#20845741)

After the 'Big One', everything east of the San Andreas fault is going to slide into the Atlantic Ocean.

Re:Why wait? (1)

daeg (828071) | about 7 years ago | (#20846789)

At least it includes Florida. We can't even count pieces of paper right.

Why not just use the .ca TLD? (5, Funny)

nebaz (453974) | about 7 years ago | (#20845607)

It's not like anyone else it using it?

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845719)

harsh

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (3, Funny)

tehSpork (1000190) | about 7 years ago | (#20845931)

Very good idea! In fact why don't we hand .org to Oregon while we're at it, surely they will give that TLD much better use than the legions of lackluster sites infesting that TLD.

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (1)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | about 7 years ago | (#20845995)

Funny, yes, but insightful?

Whoever modded that has got to lay off the MJ. You might not be able to afford it [www.cbc.ca] soon.

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (4, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | about 7 years ago | (#20845999)

Why not use ca.us ?

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20846011)

It was considered. Unfortunately, with the poor state of the American dollar, it would cost just too much for California to register a Canadian domain name.

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (2, Funny)

patio11 (857072) | about 7 years ago | (#20847471)

Plus, the only vowel allowed in Canadian domain names is A, eh?

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20846109)

It's not like anyone else it using it?
.CA is used by Canada. You may have heard of it? Are you stupid?

Re:Why not just use the .ca TLD? (2, Funny)

General Wesc (59919) | about 7 years ago | (#20847383)

We need a new mod option: -1 Whoosh! ;-)

Did they mean Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845613)

.ca is in fact Canadien TLD. Looks like they made a mistake.

Re:Did they mean Canada? (1)

c_sd_m (995261) | about 7 years ago | (#20845929)

Maybe it's the new American take over strategy for rogue nations. Looks like the implementation went as well as the old way.

Re:Did they mean Canada? (1)

XB-70 (812342) | about 7 years ago | (#20846539)

MEMO

From: Royal Canadian Mounted Police

To: Government of Canada

Re: Intellectual Property Theft - Item: Domain Name

Dear Prime Minister:

We have recovered the property stolen by the foreign internet terrorists from California - vis: domain name www.ca.gov

As you well know, YOU are leader of the true government of the Great White North. This abuse of the .gov by our neighbours to the South seems to indicate that they rule the world. We have taken ca.gov offline until such time as they realize that ca.gov is, in fact, the property of the Government of Canada.

Please advise re: further action in the IP war. When do we unleash the rabid beavers over the border?

Re:Did they mean Canada? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 7 years ago | (#20847539)

No beavers, release the Canadian triple zero mosquitoes. Steven.

This is normal. (1)

WK2 (1072560) | about 7 years ago | (#20845627)

Nothing to see here, folks. This is a new government program to prevent crime:
http://slate.com/id/2152487 [slate.com]

If only... (4, Insightful)

feepness (543479) | about 7 years ago | (#20845649)

If only these idiots were running more of my life.

Re:If only... (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 7 years ago | (#20845855)

If only these idiots were running more of my life.

Given California is easily the biggest nannystate in the union, if you live there- you've already got your wish.

Re:If only... (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 7 years ago | (#20846095)

Before everybody gets all snickery about government incompetence, remember that the private sector has its moments [theregister.co.uk] too.

What REALLY happened (3, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 7 years ago | (#20845659)

Dick Cheney didn't want anyone to know that California actually exists(and if people cannot know about it, then their congressmen go away) so he arbitrarily declared it to be top secret.

Re:What REALLY happened (2, Funny)

fm6 (162816) | about 7 years ago | (#20846117)

What you just reported is also top secret. That makes you a spy. Please wait for the DHS agents to come and arrest you.

man, they're really po'ed about pelosi (-1, Flamebait)

swschrad (312009) | about 7 years ago | (#20845797)

but all they're gonna get is Ah-nolld in their face.

another stunt that is not going to be good for the Bushers....

No wonder! (3, Interesting)

sweet 'n sour (595166) | about 7 years ago | (#20845799)

I was attempting to do some research at the California DMV web site yesterday and kept getting 404's. Google cache to the rescue. Maybe they can rebuild from that alone!

Re:No wonder! (1)

ShaunC (203807) | about 7 years ago | (#20847069)

If you were getting 404s, you were actually hitting a server, so you were seeing something other than the DNS outage. Probably a coincidence.

OOPS! I've entered CA.ORG by mistake (3, Funny)

zukinux (1094199) | about 7 years ago | (#20845803)

but it kind of looked the same. California, drug addict site, what's the difference?

Why such a low TTL? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20845871)

Shouldn't they use a longer time to live (7 days? 1 month?) for such important dns records?

Thats a start... (1)

CrAlt (3208) | about 7 years ago | (#20845907)

Now that we got the fed-gov to delete the ca.gov domain how can we get them to delete the rest of the state? Isnt it due to brake off from the rest of the CONUS? :P

Actually this is a news leak (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 7 years ago | (#20845909)

The real news is that the federal government is going to allow California to succeed from the Union, part of that preparation is deleting the domain name.

Re:Actually this is a news leak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20846191)

I'm glad California will 'succeed' - since I live here in Ca. However, you probably meant that California would secede. I guess if we did, the GNP of the US would go down 13%, huh?

Re:Actually this is a news leak (3, Funny)

emurphy42 (631808) | about 7 years ago | (#20846399)

"As for immigration, solving that came at a heavy cost, and I personally regret the loss of California. However, the new Mexifornian economy is strong and El Presidente Schwarzenegger is doing a great job."

Re:Actually this is a news leak (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20847267)

One local radio talk show host has suggested that we give up on California and just hand the whole plot of land back to the Mexicans, since they keep screaming that it was stolen from them in the first place. Maybe this was just the dry run.

gov.c eh (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 7 years ago | (#20845939)

Pardon, eh? I saw the typo of 'ca.gov' and corrected it to 'gov.ca' and the next thing I knew the terminator kicked the door down, eh...

Gotta wonder ...... (1)

edwardpickman (965122) | about 7 years ago | (#20845991)

Would this have happened if they voted Republican? It's not really a joke since Bush has snubbed California ever since the 2000 election.

Re:Gotta wonder ...... (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | about 7 years ago | (#20846615)

Schwarzenegger is republican

Re:Gotta wonder ...... (1)

Trolan (42526) | about 7 years ago | (#20846779)

He may be a Republican, but he's an oddity in the past 20 years or so in which California has tended to the blue side.

He's also married to a Kennedy, after all, which helps water him down.

Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20846025)

In soviet California...domains delete you!

It's back... (2, Informative)

rdwald (831442) | about 7 years ago | (#20846283)

Is it just me, or does http://www.ca.gov/ [ca.gov] still work? I mean, I just went there and got a page reading "Welcome to the State of California." I guess this problem's already been resolved.

Re:It's back... (1)

complete loony (663508) | about 7 years ago | (#20847053)

Some DNS caches may still take a while to purge incorrect data.

Re:It's back... (1)

kimvette (919543) | about 7 years ago | (#20847283)

Nope, seems to be working. I don't use my ISP's dns; I run bind locally.

California fell off the edge of the internet (1, Insightful)

peektwice (726616) | about 7 years ago | (#20846555)

When I was a small child, I was told by other children that one day, California would have a large enough earthquake to fall off the western edge of the U.S. In more recent years, I have come to believe that politically speaking, California has fallen off the left edge of the U.S.
It appears that at least metaphorically, and temporarily, this falling off of the rest of the world has finally happened. California fell (or was pushed) off the internet.

PEBKAC in action! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20846597)

Relates to the PEBKAC Still Plagues PC Security [slashdot.org] , yes? Ha!

CA's DMV site [ca.gov] is working fine here, tho. =)

.RU TLD is protected against this... (1)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | about 7 years ago | (#20846639)

In Soviet Russia, TLD deletes you!

DTS really stands for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20847145)

"Department of Tard Services".

Those people are totally clueless, their jobs mostly consist of taking "help desk" type phone calls, then turning around and calling the vendor who might know how to actually solve the issue. And they're MS zealots.

Not long ago they were paying 20 full time people to manually delete spam (using Outlook) from certain state email accounts.

This is an outrage! (1)

Pollux (102520) | about 7 years ago | (#20847197)

Someone should email the governor and complain!

---

(If you don't get the joke, look up his email address some time when you're not too busy.)

Not really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20847207)

So we have to assume that California really had a worldwide network domain before ME ? xoxo

Blame Canada (3, Funny)

knuth (6137) | about 7 years ago | (#20847399)

Maybe they got confused and thought Canadians wre infiltrating the U.S. federal government. What if, horrors, they were separatist Freedom [wikipedia.org] Canadians?

Sure! (1)

WheelDweller (108946) | about 7 years ago | (#20847477)

...and you really want to give these people control over your healthcare? :>

Indeed!

Coincidence? (1)

hcmtnbiker (925661) | about 7 years ago | (#20847521)

Coincidence that Canadian dollar actually surpasses the US dollar and then this happens? I think not...

For some reason (1)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | about 7 years ago | (#20847549)

I keep thinking of that scene in Ghostbusters when they shut the containment field down...

I think of the city engineer as compared to the poor network admin they got to do this.

still can be accessed (1)

arjun21 (1160609) | about 7 years ago | (#20847607)

www.ca.gov i have tried the url above, and i can go to the webpage without problem, it can be accessed as usual.. i think DTS mistakenly notified the writer's brother. and it is a shocking news if really a federal goverment had deleted leading domain. is it the federal goverment(people working there) that stupid?
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