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openSUSE 10.3 Public Release

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the chameleons-sneak-up-on-you dept.

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Shizawana writes "The latest version of openSUSE was released this week. The site has a sneak peak of all the new features and additions, including highly anticipated changes to the YaST package management. The official announcement of the release offers a few highlights as well: 'The openSUSE team is proud to announce the release of openSUSE 10.3. Promoting the use of Linux everywhere, the openSUSE project provides free, easy access to the world's most usable Linux distribution, openSUSE. openSUSE is released regularly, is stable, secure, contains the latest free and open source software, and comes with several new technologies. openSUSE 10.3 will be supported with security and other serious updates for a period of 2 years. This version contains new beautiful green artwork, KDE 3.5.7 and parts of KDE 4, SUSE-polished GNOME 2.20, a GTK version of YaST, a new 1-click-install technology, MP3 support out-of-the-box, new and redesigned YaST modules, compiz and compiz fusion advances, virtualisation improvements, OpenOffice.org 2.3, Xfce 4.4.1, and much more! Read on for details of what is new and available in openSUSE 10.3, and for all the necessary download links.'"

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have they fixed bugs? (2, Interesting)

sentientbrendan (316150) | about 7 years ago | (#20856111)

I remember trying out suse 10.1, and a fresh install was full of bugs. Various suse utilities seemed to break immediately after running update.

Have they made much progress towards more stable releases (marketing blurb aside)? Is it worth checking out?

Re:have they fixed bugs? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856203)

You must be a dumb ass. I have been running it since 9.2 and have had no problems. Best distro I have ever used. So quit being a dumb ass.

Im sticking with Fedora (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856221)

Fedora might be more quirky...but it's from a company that never made any deals with the Devil.

Once bitten twice shy.

Re:Im sticking with Fedora (2, Funny)

bluelip (123578) | about 7 years ago | (#20856281)

Nah, it's just that Redhat wants to be the aforementioned devil.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856253)

You fucking idiot. SUSE RULES! You fuckinh Ubuntu "user"... Death to all Ubuntu newbies. The worst thing that happened to Linux is Suckbuntu. Now we have these "linux wannabe suckers"

Re:have they fixed bugs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856259)

"This version contains new beautiful green artwork"

So, it IS new AND beautiful. Stop complaining, it's PRETTY!

I'm formatting all our servers in anticipation.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (2, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | about 7 years ago | (#20856273)

Parent is not a Troll. zmd.exe (the default updater) is a mono app, and is prone to hanging. I've had to kill zmd and restart novell-zmd several times to get updates to work whenever I notice that a cron-run update is still in the process list 8-10 hours later.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (3, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 7 years ago | (#20856429)

Just throw off zmd from your system and use opensuseupdater instead of zen-updater.

Before I did that, openSUSE managed to make a dual-core system almost unusable: One core was running zmd at nice 0, the other one was running beagled-helper at nice 0. Now I only get one core filled up from time to time, and therefore only need to kill or at least renice when I need full processor power. For normal operation one core is enough, and beagle can have the other one.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (4, Insightful)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | about 7 years ago | (#20856491)

Just remove mono and zdm.exe, and use guru or the smart updater. Mono sucks, pegs the cpu, and IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion) there is NO excuse for having a file that ends in .exe on a linux box.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (2, Informative)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | about 7 years ago | (#20857075)

If you knew what you were talking about you would have known that opensuse 10.3 doesn't even have ZMD, not turned on, not included by default, not installed.

Besides that .exe files are PE executables, wine uses them just fine, so does mono. Do you refain from using Wine out of some fear of PE executables? DO you even know what a PE executable is?

Re:have they fixed bugs? (0, Troll)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | about 7 years ago | (#20857277)

Screw that. In the real world, Mono is a disease, Wine is something you drink. Sure, wine might be necessary for getting some external (read Windows) crap to run, but there was NO excuse for making a wine-requiring product a core "feature". "PE", or "Portable Executable" isn't. Its proprietary to Windows only.

Most of us who use opensuse day to day have gotten rid of zdm.exe, killed off beagle, and would like very much for Miguel to take mono and shove it. We already have a better OS than Microsofts' ... why mess it up trying to immitate their crap?

Re:have they fixed bugs? (2, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 7 years ago | (#20857919)

But Miguel works for Novell, since Novell bought his company Ximian, so they can't just leave his crap out of SuSE.

This is one of the reasons why I now use Ubuntu (kubuntu actually), even though I had used SuSE since 6.3. 10.1 was the last version of SuSE I used, and after the zmd debacle and the stupid agreement with Microsoft, I decided to move to greener pastures.

Ubuntu is much nicer; the company really does believe in open-source, they don't believe in signing deals with Microsoft, they don't include Mono crap by default, and apt-get and the universe repositories are far better than rpm and slow, slow, YaST.

Personally, I no longer care if SUSE has cleaned up its act. Too little, too late. Ubuntu is leading the way now.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 7 years ago | (#20857369)

If you knew what you were talking about you would have known that opensuse 10.3 doesn't even have ZMD, not turned on, not included by default, not installed.

GGP was talking about opensuse 10.1, not 10.3. Please read more fully before reacting.

Besides that .exe files are PE executables, wine uses them just fine, so does mono. Do you refain from using Wine out of some fear of PE executables? DO you even know what a PE executable is?

Actually, I don't know what a PE executable is, but it's irrelevant to the discussion since zmd.exe runs via mono by default (on opensuse 10.1, 10.2, SLED 10). That extra interpretation eats up my CPU(s). Only thing worse would have been if they wrote their daemon in lisp or perl.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (2, Funny)

und0 (928711) | about 7 years ago | (#20858587)

Only thing worse would have been if they wrote their daemon in Python or perl.

There, fixed for you.

Re:have they fixed bugs? (2, Informative)

Maelwryth (982896) | about 7 years ago | (#20856407)

I installed it last night........it's beautiful. Definitely worth checking out :).

Re:have they fixed bugs? (1)

smilindog2000 (907665) | about 7 years ago | (#20856871)

No can do... gotta stay away from pure evil.

Yes They Have (3, Informative)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | about 7 years ago | (#20856493)

Yes they have fixed those very annoying bugs from 10.1 -- I have been using SUSE since 9.1 and you speak of my most hated release. It seemed Novell crammed a bunch of their Zen Management tools into the 10.1 release and they mostly came out broken. By 10.2, SUSE was back to its standard, highly-polished state.

Sometimes you gotta go backwards before you can go forward. I am usually on top of new SUSE releases, but I'm so pleased with 10.2 I will stay put until a KDE4 version of SUSE is released.

Re:Yes They Have (0, Troll)

neurovish (315867) | about 7 years ago | (#20856697)

By 10.2, SUSE was back to its standard, highly-polished state.
A polished turd is still a turd. How can you still trust a distribution/company that screws something as fundamental and important as updates as Novell did? Does 10.3 still rely on Zen and mono?

Re:Yes They Have (2, Informative)

NoseyNick (19946) | about 7 years ago | (#20857111)

% cat /etc/SuSE-release
openSUSE 10.2 (i586)
VERSION = 10.2
% rpm --query zen
package zen is not installed
% rpm --query mono
package mono is not installed

10.2 doesn't, nor did 10.1, nor 10.0. What are you talking about?

Re:Yes They Have (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 7 years ago | (#20858251)

The standard 10.2 install included zmd and mono, for sure.

Libzypp has since replaced zmd, and I think they made it the default in one of the 10.2 updates, and then updated the disk images.

But I'm 100% sure that the standard backend at 10.2 release was ZMD.

Re:Yes They Have (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | about 7 years ago | (#20857133)

No

Anything else? You could have just turned off ZMD like the rest of us did, its not even included anymore.

And by the way, the software manager and updater work perfectly now.

Yes. (4, Informative)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | about 7 years ago | (#20856581)

Try it you might like it :)

No but seriously the update manager was based on zen-updater in 10.1 and 10.2. That functionality has been removed in openSUSE because a.) you don't need ZENworks stuff updating from your house and b.) it's bloated and kind of broken

Re:have they fixed bugs? (2, Informative)

grommit (97148) | about 7 years ago | (#20857097)

Yeah, 10.1 was easily the worst release of OpenSUSE. 10.2 fixed a lot of problems but IMO it wasn't as good as 9.3. I've tried out 10.3 RC1 and it is *much* better than 10.2. They've done a lot of work on this release and it definitely shows. I had been trying out other distributions recently to see if I want to switch away from OpenSUSE but if 10.3 stays as good as my initial look at it, I'll be sticking with OpenSUSE for a while.

Great! (-1, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | about 7 years ago | (#20856123)

This version contains new beautiful green artwork, KDE 3.5.7 and parts of KDE 4, SUSE-polished GNOME 2.20, a GTK version of YaST, a new 1-click-install technology, new and redesigned YaST modules, compiz and compiz fusion advances,
Great... Let bash MS for adding more "bloatware" (Use this word only when it's related to MS). When Linuzz, MacOZ or other non-MS system adds it, please call it "great enhancements".

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856291)

Great... Let bash MS for adding more "bloatware" (Use this word only when it's related to MS). When Linuzz, MacOZ or other non-MS system adds it, please call it "great enhancements".

Unlike MS bloatware, you don't have to install any of that stuff. MS usually forces you to install whatever crap they deem an "enhancement", whether you want it or not (for example, Internet Explorer).

Re:Great! (1)

El Lobo (994537) | about 7 years ago | (#20856387)

Not completly true, but the point is: the argument usially used when MS adds, for example, animations to the Windows, 3d font rendering, transparent borders , etc is: " is they only used those programmers and resources to fix bug or to do SOMETHING USEFUL... instead they do that crap. But when MacOZ or some Linuzzz distro adds it, nobody thinks about those infamious resources... no, that is the RuLeZ!!!!!!

Re:Great! (3, Informative)

jeevesbond (1066726) | about 7 years ago | (#20857197)

I know, don't feed the trolls, I'm sorry but someone might actually believe this idiot and it's not going to take much effort to prove them wrong.

Look at this image: http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/yast-list_thumb.png [opensuse.org] that is YaST giving the user the option to install whatever desktop environment they like, under the cursor is XFCE [xfce.org] whos tagline is '...and everything goes faster'. It's very lightweight, ideal for older computers and does not include any of the things you're complaining about.

Welcome to the GNU/Linux world, where you get the choice of what software to run. That's rather the point with Vista, Microsoft will force people to upgrade to it even if they have to buy a new computer to do so. My apologies if that offends your sensibilities as an MS fanboy, but I'm afraid we don't support bullying in the form of forced upgrades 'round these parts.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857691)

the argument usially used when MS adds, for example, animations to the Windows, 3d font rendering, transparent borders , etc is: " is they only used those programmers and resources to fix bug or to do SOMETHING USEFUL... instead they do that crap.

Microsoft, being the organisation employing those coders, gets to tell them what to work on. The majority of open-source developers write code on a volunteer basis. Nobody gets to tell them what to work on. It's not even remotely the same situation.

PS: If you want people to actually take you seriously, quit the name-calling and immature attitude, stop SHOUTING, use a spelling checker and don't use multiple exclamation marks. Each of these things is like a sign telling everybody else you are a child.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856371)

What, they made you get rid of "linuzzz" in the sig, so you moved it to the article tag?

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856377)

All of the things mentioned are optional. Try disabling some of the Windows equivalents sometime.

Re:Great! (1)

BokLM (550487) | about 7 years ago | (#20856419)

What are you talking about ? If you're talking about Compiz Fusion, then it's optional. KDE4 is optional. I don't see how it is bloatware.

Re:Great! (1)

Xybre (527810) | about 7 years ago | (#20856481)

Hrm, I disagree. Those are all legitimate enhancements. If you don't want them, they're not baked into the operating system. On Windows, even though Aero is pretty (like Compviz) it's part of the OS, and is always there. Same with the browser. On the other hand, SUSE's parent company, Novell, has signed agreements with Microsoft, which is disconcerting. I myself run Windows at home, as I am realistic, no current OS is as good as the one which does what I need, and Windows does that. Linux, BSD, Solaris, Sky, Menuet, etc are trying to, but just simply don't. On the other hand, I trust the checks and balances of a user community driven project over that of a corporate committee. As a consequence, my Windows runs a lot of Open Source software, or paid software made by independent developers (like yourself).

Re:Great! (4, Interesting)

sumdumass (711423) | about 7 years ago | (#20858689)

I think you hit on something here. The idea of bloatware is something you are stuck with. If the ability to remove or replace the boat was available instead of being forced onto the user, it would be enhancements instead.

Or at least that is the way I see it. If product X (whatever that may be) offers options and feature A, B, and C, as long as they let me disable them and not load it when I don' need or want them they are specifically options. But if they force me to load and use them when I don't want to need to, then it is bloat. "Bloat" seems to revolve around your needs and wants and ability to not use things in the program or operating system.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856513)

Listen, El Lobo, we know you are the anti-twitter-wannabe, with your own cult of followers (apparently, you are so many that you could tag this article "linuzzz").
But you don't have to post your bullshit about how PROUD (as in "pride parade") you are of windows in every linux-related article. Pretty soon everybody will get tired of you and you'll have to create a new account here.

Re:Great! (0, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | about 7 years ago | (#20856889)

I am PROUD just because...in this place it seems like using Windows is a shame. Well, I'm not ashamed of that. Oh, and I use Linuzz as a server, and I have a Mak as well, but nobody here finds THAT to be insulting. Go figure.

Re:Great! (1)

El Lobo (994537) | about 7 years ago | (#20857161)

BTW... It seems that many people feel insulted cause my tag of Linuzzz but every single article about MS is taget M$, haha, etc... No reaction... Oh, and I don't care about being labeled troll (BTW, my karma at this moment is excellent), which means that not evry slashdoter here is thasst fanatical and a lot of moderators actually agree with my ideas.

Oh, and BTW, I never post annonymously.

Re:Great! (1)

brunascle (994197) | about 7 years ago | (#20857237)

but every single article about MS is taget M$
no, none of them are. you cant put a $ in a tag.

You've been trolled by a...press release? (1)

msimm (580077) | about 7 years ago | (#20856517)

I'm not a fan of Suse but if you work hard on something and then have to write a announcement I'd say brag too. Of course hands on use and time will tell (I hated the last release). But getting upset because they talk nice seems kind of silly.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857203)

Heh. Is it any great wonder that the article was tagged '!ellobo'?

Re:Great! (1)

ericrost (1049312) | about 7 years ago | (#20858283)

You're welcome, it only takes one tagger early in the article, but it never stays there for long if its just one :)

No Microsoft Logo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856125)

So where is it...

Thoughts (3, Informative)

TopSpin (753) | about 7 years ago | (#20856127)

SUSE is being pretty aggressive in terms of key packages like gcc, glibc and the kernel. 10.3 provides GCC 4.2.1, glibc 2.6.1 and the 2.6.22.5 release of the kernel.

My one serious complaint with YaST is the time wasted waiting for the package manager to download metadata every time you enter it. I've taken to just leaving it running on a separate desktop. Please, YaST folks, apply some caching; it should take at most only a few seconds to bring up package manager if it has been run in the last few hours. If I should need to ensure absolutely current metadata provide a simple means to force a full update, otherwise get the thing open as quickly as possible. Yes, it's probably possible to work-around, tweak or otherwise get this behavior now... I want it out of the box.

Re:Thoughts (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 7 years ago | (#20856309)

My Fedora machine is running 2.6.22.9, what's so modern about 2.6.22.5?

YaST is a piece of junk. If you use rpm to install a package, you have hopelessly screwed up YaST and it will never behave correctly again. It's why I gave up on SuSE. Maybe there's a way to fix it, but there are plenty of distributions that behave correctly and don't require putzing around.

Re:Thoughts (4, Informative)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 7 years ago | (#20858213)

That hasn't been my experience, and I install quite a few packages via rpm command line.

YaST was borked for 10.1 and 10.2. It made sense to try and use an alternative package manager.

As 10.2 matured, YaST started to work properly, but was slow.

In 10.3, YaST is quite speedy, very capable, and runs very solidly. Plus, the one-click-install thing works really well.

Re:Thoughts (4, Informative)

mj01nir (153067) | about 7 years ago | (#20856463)

From the 10.3 announcement:

The package management team have been working hard on improving the new openSUSE package management, and there is a lot to show for it now. It is reliable, more mature, and an awful lot faster. There is no more parsing during startup, greater compatibility with tools like yum and smart, and increased speed for the most common use-case: installing a package.

Sounds promising.

10.2 Caches (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | about 7 years ago | (#20856541)

They finally added metadata caching in 10.2 - but you're right it was way overdue.

Re:10.2 Caches (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 7 years ago | (#20856805)

Not out of the box. With Opensuse 10.2, I still have to wait for timeouts when I want to install something from one repo while others might be unavailable, or remove a repo that's been shut down.

Re:Thoughts (1)

grommit (97148) | about 7 years ago | (#20857167)

I wouldn't say that it's fast now but it is definitely faster than any previous version of YaST's package manager. Ubuntu's package manager is extremely fast and it would be difficult to match that speed but thankfully I don't install/uninstall/reinstall packages very often so 10.3's package manager speed is fine for me. I would like it if the OpenSUSE team would work on having the package manager do multiple package processes at the same time such as downloading the next package while the previously downloaded package is being installed. Currently it is a very linear Download > Apply Delta > Install/Update > Download Next Package process.

Re:Thoughts (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 7 years ago | (#20858081)

I'm using it, and yes, its fixed. It's cached, and at each package manager startup it checks the cache versus the online version, and even if it needs update the cache update is an order of magnitude faster than a normal startup of the package manager used to be.

It's quite useable now; time from clicking "software manager" to a usable interface is similar to using SMART.

Speed seems to be one of the primary focuses of this release; from the package manager to the boot sequence.

Re:Thoughts (1)

griego (1108909) | about 7 years ago | (#20858517)

Go into "Installation Source" in YaST and turn off Refresh for the slower repositories. Then refresh them manually once a month or something.

Patent (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 7 years ago | (#20856133)

a new 1-click-install technology

I smell a patent lawsuit with Amazon ... :-)

Finally I can be worry free. . . (3, Funny)

saterdaies (842986) | about 7 years ago | (#20856135)

knowing that Micro$oft won't sue me since I'm using an MS approved Linux from Novell! :)

Re:Finally I can be worry free. . . (4, Informative)

kjj (32549) | about 7 years ago | (#20856217)

Actually you can still be sued if you just download a copy because you are not a Novell customer. The coverage does not extend to anyone outside of those paying Novell for a support, not even developers who contribute to the Novell code base.

Re:Finally I can be worry free. . . (1, Flamebait)

marcello_dl (667940) | about 7 years ago | (#20857497)

I'd add that unfortunately openSuse is a distro that is more likely to contain lawsuit material from MS. With all the respect for the achievements of openSuse team, i'm not touching it.

Re:Finally I can be worry free. . . (2, Informative)

hasbeard (982620) | about 7 years ago | (#20856233)

Actually, I don't think OpenSuse is covered by this agreement.

Re:Finally I can be worry free. . . (1)

saterdaies (842986) | about 7 years ago | (#20856521)

The comment was actually meant as a joke, but it's good to see people taking it seriously :) Just wanted to get a little dig in at Novell.

Re:Finally I can be worry free. . . (1)

BokLM (550487) | about 7 years ago | (#20856579)

I guess the people who answer understood it was a joke. But a comment that say something wrong, even if it is a joke, still says something wrong.

Re:Finally I can be worry free. . . (1)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | about 7 years ago | (#20856691)

Never, ever, feel tempted to write the word 'Microsoft' with a dollar sign instead of an 's'. It wasn't even funny the first time, several decades ago, and it just makes you look like a prat.

I love my MonopoLiniux (0, Troll)

Filter (6719) | about 7 years ago | (#20856751)

I love my MonopoLiniux, keeps me free from lawsuits of MS IP!

ok (2, Interesting)

User 956 (568564) | about 7 years ago | (#20856139)

Promoting the use of Linux everywhere, the openSUSE project provides free, easy access to the world's most usable Linux distribution, openSUSE.

That's an interesting statement. Is there a distribution that aims to hinder the use of Linux everywhere?

Re:ok (1)

niteice (793961) | about 7 years ago | (#20856205)

Windows.

Re:ok (2, Insightful)

Arcturax (454188) | about 7 years ago | (#20856207)

You haven't heard of Windows?

Re:ok (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856439)

yes. Gentoo!

OSX (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 7 years ago | (#20856957)

There is a Unix, OSX.

Re:ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857667)

Is there a distribution that aims to hinder the use of Linux everywhere?
Yes, it's called openSUSE by Microsoft.

Sneak peak (3, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | about 7 years ago | (#20856149)

How do you sneak a mountain?

Re:Sneak peak (2, Informative)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 7 years ago | (#20856277)

How do you sneak a mountain?
You walk on it with sneakers?

Re:Sneak peak (1)

Duct Tape Pro (318982) | about 7 years ago | (#20857395)

How do you sneak a mountain?
Easy. You swap its name with some other mountain. Then tell people you snuck both mountains into each other's place. No one will have observed you sneaking either mountain, so your sneaking skills will be proved superior.

Sneak peak? (2, Interesting)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 7 years ago | (#20856151)

Is that a peak that sneaks up on you? Like a volcano or something?

Re:Sneak peak? (1)

theskipper (461997) | about 7 years ago | (#20856839)

Wanna bet the spell checker caught "sneek" before the article was posted?

(my karma's finally excellent...just kidding Zonk!)

Re:Sneak peak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857323)

In Soviet Russia peaks sneak up on YOU!

21% (1, Informative)

Metaphorically (841874) | about 7 years ago | (#20856177)

21% downloaded already. Thought I am considering switching from the x86_64 version to the 32-bit version this time. My only really solid reason for this is the lack of a 64-bit Java browser plugin, and I don't even use it that much (but the kids like Runescape, so qhat can I do).

Re:21% (2, Informative)

ericrost (1049312) | about 7 years ago | (#20856303)

Ubuntu gutsy has a 64 bit flash and java.. I was surprised it wasn't advertised in the new features (as they didn't have adobe flash for 64 bit in feisty). Come on in, the water's fine.

Re:21% (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | about 7 years ago | (#20856625)

I've been toying with the idea of going to Kubuntu for a while but I haven't had the inclination at the right time :)

It isn't that 64-bit Java doesn't work, it's that there's no plugin for a 64-bit browser. This is even a problem on Windows XP x64 (the red-headed step-child of XP). I could, supposedly, install a 32-bit version of Firefox and use the 32-bit Java plugin but I didn't get that working.

I did discover that 64-bit Konqueror somehow figured out how to run Java applets (though there's no sound) and the kids use that for now.

Re:21% (3, Informative)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 7 years ago | (#20858141)

32-bit java on 64-bit firefox on 64-bit suse works just fine.

nsplugin has grown in leaps and bounds.

Re:21% (1)

Metaphorically (841874) | about 7 years ago | (#20858291)

I guess that settles it, I'll do the 64-bit install and see how things look. Thanks.

"Giver" (1)

planckscale (579258) | about 7 years ago | (#20856279)

The little Giver app looks nice. If I had a new network to set up, I would consider this distro for all the clients, 20 barebone machines with OpenSuse installed and maybe Google Apps for a suite - simplicity!

Re:"Giver" (2, Funny)

rustalot42684 (1055008) | about 7 years ago | (#20856821)

Do they have a "Receiver" app too?

One of Many Sneak Peeks (5, Informative)

apokryphos (869208) | about 7 years ago | (#20856289)

The Sneak Peek linked to is only the final one in the series, there was many more:

Thank you Fluendo for the free MP3 support (2, Informative)

schwaang (667808) | about 7 years ago | (#20856849)

I remember when that was announced a while back, nice to see it in a major free distro.
Too bad the source code isn't freely distributable, but I'll take the binary with thanks.

Re:One of Many Sneak Peeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857023)

One of the things I really like the look of is: Giver [opensuse.org] . It automatically sees other Giver users on the local network and allows sending and recieving files to and from them. It also integrates with many desktop apps, so you can drag and drop from F-Spot, Tomboy etc.

This really is a blessing for those of us who use GNU/Linux at home (or home office) but don't have the time/inclination to setup a proper network with LDAP/Kerberos.

Re:One of Many Sneak Peeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857523)

Sounds userful. How does security work with "Giver"? Are users authenticated and files encrypted in any way?

Re:One of Many Sneak Peeks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20858267)

They went the Microsoft way: giving up security for the sake of performance. For example, the firewall used to be started at bootup, but in 10.3 they are waiting until after the network and the GUI is/are up. Yes, it only leaves your computer vulnerable for a few seconds at bootup, but that might be all it takes to get in!

One Click Install? (5, Funny)

GroundBounce (20126) | about 7 years ago | (#20856499)

Does this violate any Amazon patents?

Is openSuse blessed by Microsoft? (-1, Troll)

pembo13 (770295) | about 7 years ago | (#20856525)

Is openSuse a Microsoft blessed distribution? Does it come with the enhanced Windows compatibility that I have heard about?

Can we get over these childish trolling comments? (1)

flydpnkrtn (114575) | about 7 years ago | (#20856653)

openSUSE is just that - the Community edition. Please relax.

Re:Is openSuse blessed by Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857005)

It's even got the Mono MS poison software installed :)

I think it would help if this risk was clarified.. (1)

cheros (223479) | about 7 years ago | (#20857759)

The principal problem is that Novell has been tainted by the Microsoft reverse philosopher's stone: turning gold into lead (witness the ISO process). As said entity hasn't exactly endowed the world with graceful, law abiding and ethical behavior (and is known to not exactly be a friend of Linux) it is natural that anything in close proximity ends up sharing the stench. Maybe that was THEIR whole idea of partnering with the house that holds IMHO the best distro (I *said* iMho :-).

It would thus be a very good idea if someone could point at a list of reasons why their deal with Novell will not introduce risks in OpenSuSE - and I mean well argued, logical reasons, no emotional claptrap, we see enough of that from both sides already.

I'm asking this as a longtime fan of SuSE. I was disappointed to see that OpenSuSE is the only 64bit distro that doesn't see both disks on the SATA controlled HP DL320 G3 I have to play with, so off it went and on came Fedora 7 but I'm willing to try 10.3 (as a matter of fact, the DVD is being downloaded on another machine right now). But for a production box I'm reluctant to go near it because I don't have the time to identify if there IS a risk, which means I have to follow the "smoke means fire" algorithm, IMHO not good enough but I (like many others) don't have the time to go through the whole involvement.

The only thing I *do* know for sure is that this deal is with a multiple times convicted monopolist who has yet to change its behavior in any noticeable way, which doesn't really incline me to assume no risk.

sh17 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20856557)

*B

openSUSE is the leading KDE-centric distro (1)

traveller604 (961720) | about 7 years ago | (#20856891)

In my opinion anyways and I love it. Installed 10.3 last night. It feels far faster than 10.2. Stability, can't say. Hasn't crashed yet at least.

Fisher-price theme? (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | about 7 years ago | (#20857055)

Damn, what's with the blue plastic window borders?
I won't say anything else on the account of flaming or trolling, but damn. Fisher-price?
Please note that my home is MS Windows-free. (3 OS X, and 1 Linux)

Torrents of installation repository? (1)

NoseyNick (19946) | about 7 years ago | (#20857057)

SUSE has always been good at providing Torrents of the CD and DVD ISOs, but I was wondering if there's a torrent of the installation repository available? I prefer to dump the install repository on one server somewhere, then net-install all my other machines, but I've always had to mirror with wget -r, and I'd rather torrent the lot...

... as in, a torrent for the entire tree of RPMs and stuff, not for an ISO file?

Re:Torrents of installation repository? (1)

wwrmn (42399) | about 7 years ago | (#20858645)

It's simple:

1) Torrent DVD
2) mount -oloop DVD.iso /mnt/cdrom
3) cp -ar /mnt/cdrom/* /path_you_want

Viola! You have a net installation depot.

Unless I'm missing something...

MP3 support (1)

bioglaze (767105) | about 7 years ago | (#20857079)

How can they provide MP3 support out-of-the-box? Does it mean that they can't distribute their distro in the US?

Re:MP3 support (1, Informative)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | about 7 years ago | (#20857449)

It doesn't provide MP3 support out of the box--that was misleading. The first time you try to play an MP3, Amarok says, "You currently can't play this file. Would you like to downloa MP3 support? Yes / No" or something along those lines. So really it's one step away from MP3 support out of the box. The difference looks like a legal fiction to me, but it is technically not shipped with an MP3 codec.

Re:MP3 support (2, Informative)

eimikion (973712) | about 7 years ago | (#20857543)

Not true. There is a gst-fluendo-mp3-2.7.rpm package on the goldmaster DVD. MP3 playback works out of the box. Eat this, american law system.

Just after installation of 10.3 (5, Informative)

eimikion (973712) | about 7 years ago | (#20857427)

I've just installed a new OpenSUSE. All these little bugs from previous releases are gone. Yast software installer finally works with a good speed. Desktop responsiveness is amazing - KDE 3.7 works faster than GUI of Windows 2000. The default green artwork is very nice and gives a distinct feeling to this distro. Hardware detection is very good. My graphic card - nvidia 7600 and audio card - Creative Audigy 2 were working out of the box. Even installation of ADSL modem was a breeze - it is a cheap Sagem modem, used by the all telcos controlled by France Telecom, and most linux distros has problems with it.

What is especially important to people in countries with stupid law (read USA) - OpenSUSE gives you mp3 playback out of box, due to legal fluendo gstreamer plugins. In addition, there are provided Flash 9, newest Java runtimes, RealPlayer and seamless Wi-Fi support.

In the last year I've tried quite a few linux distros - Fedora, Ubuntu, Sabayon, Mint, Mandriva... nothing even come close to the OpenSUSE. Quality of Deutsch engineering.

Slow Dowload (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#20857549)

Anyone else trying to download this and noticing really slow speeds? Also interesting is the apparent ease to install this version with a flashdrive. Hmmm..

Tired of SuSE (1, Offtopic)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 7 years ago | (#20858443)

I recently overlayed my laptop installation of SuSE with Ubuntu Feisty because of problems I had with YaST. YaST update performance was so slow and unreliable I gave up and started using the various SuSE yum repositories. That worked pretty well for me for a while, and I certainly appreciated the good multimedia support in SuSE. About the only thing I didn't like was lack of usable ACPI with my laptop.

However a couple of weeks ago the bubble burst. A yum upgrade pulled in some new packages, a kernel and so on. When the upgrade was done I lost my wireless connectivity, and reverting back to the old kernel didn't help. Basically I was hosed. I did a fair number googles, posted some questions and got pointed to pages written by others with similar problems with the Intel 3945abg that I had. Eventually I gave up. I thought of waiting for 10.3, but decided to try Ubuntu first. I am glad I did. Not only did the install go MUCH faster, but the Debian package manager Ubuntu uses is WAY nicer and faster. Hardware detection was nearly flawless, and even the ACPI works. The overall performance of the GUI is also considerably better than SuSE's.

As far as I am concerned the problems I had with YaST plus the obvious quality of apt-get etc. have made me an Ubuntu convert.

Now I am really looking forward for Gutsy, and would not go back to using SuSE on a bet. The only thing I have found that SuSE handled better was the multimedia stuff, and I am working on understanding what I can do to make my Ubuntu do what I need in that regard.

Now for DVD support (1)

RogerWilco (99615) | about 7 years ago | (#20858477)

I don't realy care how they do it, f I can download it, or need to buy a box of the shelve, but I would like it if somehow SuSE came with DVD support. My Medion laptop I bought 1.5 years ago has a separate linux partition with a DVD player. It boots when you push a special "play DVD" button, without running Windows & friends. Even comes with the source for the kernel and other stuff that's on there, not the DVD players software though.
But my conclusion is, that commercial closed source DVD playing software exists for Linux and I don't see that if every Windows PC can have PowerDVD on it, then a Linux distro can't do the same, at least for it's non-OSS off-the-shelve boxes.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer a free legal DVD player, but am also willing to pay for a non-free one, if it saves me a lot of hassle.
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