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Official - Bungie Departing Microsoft

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the holy-cats dept.

XBox (Games) 266

jasoncart writes "Microsoft today confirmed the news that has been speculated for some days, that Halo developer Bungie is 'on the path' to becoming an independent company. Microsoft describes this as an 'evolution' of their relationship, but no concrete reason is given for this move. 'Shane Kim, corporate vice president of Microsoft Game Studios, said the company was "supporting Bungie's desire to return to its independent roots". However, he added, Microsoft "will continue to invest in our Halo entertainment property with Bungie and other partners, such as Peter Jackson, on a new interactive series set in the Halo universe". "We look forward to great success with Bungie as our long-term relationship continues to evolve through Halo-related titles and new IP created by Bungie," he added.'" MTV wonders out loud ... if Bungie doesn't make Halo 4 who will? The official press release from Bungie gives you the same information from the other side, as does an interview with Frankie at GameDailyBiz. Update: 10/05 21:25 GMT by Z : In the wake of the announcement Kotaku has a quickie email interview discussing the future of the company.

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Huh? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868407)

MTV wonders out loud ... if Bungie doesn't make Halo 4 who will?

Isn't that kind of a moot point, since they *are* going to be continuing the Halo series?

Re:Huh? (5, Insightful)

EricR86 (1144023) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868497)

Personally, I would love to see Bungie (finally) create a non-Halo title. They make good games, it'd be nice to see a good game that isn't a moderate evolution of a previous one. Enough with the sequels.

And If I was a game developer working on the same title for years on end - I'd probably want a change too.

Re:Huh? (4, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868747)

And If I was a game developer working on the same title for years on end - I'd probably want a change too.
Not so with Microsoft; they know how to milk a cash cow when they find one. Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money from the game is made. Halo: the T-shirt, Halo: the coloring book, Halo: the lunch box, Halo: the breakfast cereal, Halo: the flamethrower--the kids love this one--last but not least, Halo: the doll. *squeeze* "Gimme mah money, bitch!"

Re:Huh? (4, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868819)

I take it you really want Spaceballs: The search for more money to finally be released.

Re:Huh? (1)

bburns (232534) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869367)

Not so with Microsoft; they know how to milk a cash cow when they find one. Merchandising! Merchandising!
Umm, I don't get it. What experience does Microsoft have in merchandising? Office the coloring book? Office the lunch box? Anyway, the merchandising is just advertising. Microsoft isn't going to make hundreds of millions of dollars on merchandising. They are going to make hundreds of millions of dollars on games.

Re:Huh? (4, Insightful)

efity (1044316) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869547)

Microsoft doesn't know how to milk people for money, you say? Let's look at two of Microsoft's base products, XP and Vista. Now they could just release two full-featured packages, one of XP and one of Vista, but that's not how you profit.

This is how you profit: Making ten versions of two products, with minor differences in between versions, but charging $100 more to advance to the next level.

XP Home Edition
XP Professional
XP Tablet PC Edition
XP Media Center Edition
XP Professional x64 Edition
Vista Home Basic
Vista Home Premium
Vista Business
Vista Enterprise
Vista Ultimate

While it's not exactly merchandising, it's pretty damn close.

I like them. (2, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869073)

I don't mean another game that's called Halo, and is set in exactly the same storyline.

More like one set in the same universe. It's my understanding that basically every shooter they've ever put out, including the Marathon games, is set in the same universe. Maybe even the shooter/rpg before that... what was it called?

But imagine being a Marathon fan leading up to the launch of the original Halo. Cortana actually sent out emails to various fan sites ahead of time, so people were analyzing all the ways in which her emails could be related to a sequel to Marathon... and then they got Halo, which was so completely different, yet in the same universe, with kind of the same theme.

I would love to see them do something like that again. Imagine something as much better than Halo as Halo was better than Marathon.

Re:I like them. (1)

Zeal17 (602971) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869297)

Before Marathon was Pathways into Darkness.

Re:I like them. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869343)

I would love to see them do something like that again. Imagine something as much better than Halo as Halo was better than Marathon.

Many here would extrapolate that as Marathon -> Halo -> Daikatana.

Re:I like them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869443)

Imagine something as much better than Halo as Halo was better than Marathon.


So... Daikatana?

Re:I like them. (1)

Bobartig (61456) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869747)

I want to see Oni II with 1) Non-impossible end-game content, and 2) multiplayer support.

Of course, the Oni franchise was transferred to G.O.D., and has henceforth disappeared off the face of the earth.

Re:I like them. (1)

CaptMonkeyDLuffy (623905) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869809)

Set in the same universe? Not exactly. Their first shooter release was the Shooter/Adventure hybrid Pathways into Darkness. There were never any direct references to occurences in PiD in the Marathon series, but there are some common references (name of one alien race mentioned only in the pregame story in PiD also appears in Marathon, nature of another foreign entity in PiD is very similar to one mentioned in Marathon...). For all intents and purposes, there is nothing contradictory to state that they aren't the same universe, there are hints that they are, and if you dig deep in the "there's hidden meaning in all those terminal entries" aspect of the Marathon plot, there may be a strong tie between the main character in both... Then came Marathon. If one wanted to nitpick, due to the 'alternate reality hopping' involved in the last installment, technically Marathon itself doesn't entirely occur in one universe... Finally Halo. Long before the release, there were hints that it might be in the same universe('from game resident' messages that made reference to key aspects of Marathon and Halo, in particular linking Durandal and Cortana(the primary AI characters from both series respectively)). Then the details on the game came out. Time period and technology posessed by humans in Halo are completely out of whack with what the Marathon story and backstory would imply. Technology behind AI's is entirely different. Technology behind cyborgs is entirely different... Unless someone's going to completely rewrite one or the other, too many conflicts to simply merge into one. However, I will admit there is one slim wierd fan-wanky way to justify a connection despite that. Technically, the main character from Marathon would have been able to 'escape the inevitable closure of the universe' If the Halo-verse is a universe that comes into being after the Marathon-verse closes...

Re:I like them. (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870163)

Time period and technology posessed by humans in Halo are completely out of whack with what the Marathon story and backstory would imply. Technology behind AI's is entirely different. Technology behind cyborgs is entirely different...

Well, let's see...

Time period is different. But it's my understanding that in Halo, cyborgs have generally been outlawed, which is why they did the Spartan program -- they can't _quite_ make him cyborg, but they can genetically engineer him and give him all kinds of toys.

AI is also not incredibly different. You could easily claim that Cortana is deliberately limited, and certainly the AI (what was her name? Leela?) that you start out dealing with is much more like Cortana. At least until Cortana is left alone in that Covenant capital city...

And then Halo 2 ends, so I'd better go play Halo 3 and get the complete picture.

Re:Huh? (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869527)

Personally, I would love to see Bungie (finally) create a non-Halo title. They make good games, it'd be nice to see a good game that isn't a moderate evolution of a previous one. Enough with the sequels.

If you've played any of Bungie's older titles you'll know that they've got a history of turning out good games. The Marathon series was fantastic, and while Myth was never my cup of tea it was very popular at the time. Even Oni was decent. It'll be good to see Bungie get back to their independent roots... Maybe see them turn out some more cross-platform titles now that they aren't tied to Microsoft.

However, I'm not sure I want to see them stop making Halo games. Sure, the gameplay itself is basically the same as any other shooter...but the setting is very interesting. I wouldn't mind seeing more games set in the Halo universe.

Re:Huh? (1)

vought (160908) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869937)

I would love to see Bungie (finally) create a non-Halo title.
Personally, I liked the Marathon series and Pathways to Darkness. You know, the non-Halo tiutles Bungie developed in the 1990s.

Marathon 2 was probably the best.

Re:Huh? (1)

Glendale2x (210533) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870059)

Finally? They have created plenty of non-Halo titles. The Myth series, the Marathon series (best storyline ever, if you're into that kind of thing), Pathways into Darkness...

And what's with this acting like Bungie becoming separate from Microsoft is something new? They *were* and independent studio before Microsoft hired them to make Halo exclusive for the Xbox. Otherwise, maybe we would have seen some modern chapters to Marathon without being dumbed down. They've made games worlds better than the Halo series - this is not new. What's news is hopefully they're getting back to their roots.

Re:Huh? (5, Informative)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868535)


Just because they own the IP and made the first few games, does not mean that they have to make all the games in perpituity.

For example, Id Software, despite providing the engine and making Quake 1-3, did not develop Quake 4 -- it developed by Raven Software.

Re:Huh? (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868847)

bungie didnt make myth 3 either, so they are already used to passing the torch on game franchises.

me? id love to see oni 2. that game was hecka fun.

Re:Huh? (1)

MagusZeal (1156955) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868957)

But wasn't Quake 4 horribly by all accounts when compared to the others? I've yet to hear someone say it was worth the cash. Hell I'm still worried GH3 will be horrible as well.

Re:Huh? (2)

TheDreadSlashdotterD (966361) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869281)

Quake 4 was worth the cash for the single player alone. That's just my lousy opinion though.

Re:Huh? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869381)

Quake 4 multiplayer seemed like Quake 3 playing on overly bright Quake 2 maps. Quake 4's single player was new and pretty interesting.

Re:Huh? (1)

MagusZeal (1156955) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869557)

Considering how many people I know who buy games entirely for the multi I'll have to give a look at the campaign later on then.

Re:Huh? (0)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869505)

Quake IV was decidedly disappointingly, but in the end was fun enough to play through considering how short it was. The problem with Halo is that it began life as an average (mediocre) video game, console kids just don't know any better when it comes to first person shooters.

Re:Huh? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868999)

Just because they own the IP and made the first few games, does not mean that they have to make all the games in perpituity.

Sure, but the MTV link is speculating about what would happen if they gave up the IP, which was reasonable speculation but isn't what happened. It seemed odd to bring it up *after* the details of the Bungie deal came out.

Re:Huh? (2, Informative)

dabraun (626287) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869539)

Just because they own the IP and made the first few games, does not mean that they have to make all the games in perpituity.


Sure, but the MTV link is speculating about what would happen if they gave up the IP, which was reasonable speculation but isn't what happened. It seemed odd to bring it up *after* the details of the Bungie deal came out.


Actually, Microsoft is keeping the IP, not Bungie:

"Microsoft will retain an equity interest in Bungie, at the same time continuing its long-standing publishing agreement between Microsoft Game Studios and Bungie for the Microsoft-owned "Halo" intellectual property as well as other future properties developed by Bungie."

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/oct07/10-05BungieEvolvesPR.mspx [microsoft.com]

Re:Huh? (3, Insightful)

EricR86 (1144023) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868547)

Personally I'd love to see them develop a non-Halo title. Bungee makes great games, it'd be nice to see their creative talents leaned in a different direction. Enough with the sequels. And I can imagine if I was a game developer working with the same series for years on end (since 1999?), I'd probably want a change too. If they develop a non-Halo title, for PC, I'd be one of the first to try it.

Re:Huh? (1)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868915)

Last time I checked there was no Halo 4, Halo Wars is being developed, and that looks great (though I still don't know if they plan to port it to PC) but Bungie has a tradition of sorts of ending their games after the second sequel and moving on, I don't see them making a Halo 4. Microsoft might try something like that with a different group but it would never do as well as Halo 3 without Bungie (unless it magically because awesome :P).

I really, really doubt there'll be a Halo 4. Much more likely to have Halo Wars, perhaps a Space Battle game (that would be fun, and yet boring at the same time what with the fact that Covenant ships are 3x better than human ones. I can't see that working out well), maybe a prequel playing as Johnson (which I guess you could call Halo 4, though it won't have the MC) but I can't see another MC game coming out.

Re:Huh? (5, Insightful)

Gaerek (1088311) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869121)

No Halo 4? You mean, $170 Million in the FIRST day of sales isn't enough incentive to make Halo 4? I'm sorry, but there's way too much money wrapped up in that franchise. It's not going anywhere soon.

Re:Huh? (2, Insightful)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869785)

Halo 3 was huge because it is at the climax of the story. It can't help but sell. Why do many sequels fail? They are the same character in the same world but with a new story. The old story is done and gone. Halo 2 is a different kind of sequel because it continued the story of Halo: CE and Halo 3 finishes the story. Just by playing Halo: CE and Halo 2 one can figure out the basic premise of Halo 3. The tag line says it all. What would Halo 4 even be about? It would just be a standard sequel.

Most games are a single story. The enemy is introduced, you battle the enemy, you beat the game by finally destroying the enemy. In Halo: CE, the enemy is the Covenant. You battle the Covenant and get introduced to the Flood, which you battle as well. The game ends with the destruction of Halo and the Flood but the Covenant remain, thus Halo 2. In Halo 2, you fight the Covenant and more of the Flood. The game ends with neither the destruction of the Covenant nor the Flood, thus Halo 3. Halo 3 finishes the fight. Then what? Why even go on? The story is over.

Re:Huh? (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868925)

First off, it was written before they knew that bungie was going to continue the halo series, so they didn't know.

Second, they actually say right in there that the most likely thing would be for bungie to make the next halo, but for another studio to do titles between bungie releases (much like Call of Duty 3 or the NWN expansion packs).

The points are well written and thought out, although Tycho [penny-arcade.com] points out two more that would be great for the job.

Re:Huh? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869543)

I say it'll be Gearbox. Simply because those guys seem to be jumping in a lot for developers that don't want to continue work on one of their game series.

Re:Huh? (1)

thepartyanimal (1149043) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870009)

MTV may need avail himself of few reading comprehension classes.

I know... (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868419)

...that I'm not on the inside so I don't know all the little happenings that occur behind closed doors, but it's quite obvious that the Halo franchise is a boon to both Bungie and to Microsoft...I wouldn't be suprised if Halo remained a Bungie and Microsoft exclusive venture....Bungie getting more freedom to do what they wish with the franchise, and getting a healthy sum of money from Microsoft in the process.

In all honesty, both sides would be foolish to give up the current relationship they have with that franchise, even if Bungie becomes 100% independent.

Re:I know... (2, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868517)

100% agreed. With all the money Bungie has mad from the MS deal they can use it to branch out the halo franchise, invest more into R&D, make new games, etc.

And MS...well we know how much Halo has helped them. So they don;t want to ruin it either.

Yea, like releasing more PC products. (2, Interesting)

WarlockD (623872) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868785)

All they do is make Halo and even then we wait a YEAR for the PC release.

There is no excuse for that other than to squeaze as much as they can in the 360 market. I just wonder if they will be given the same freedom as an "independent"

Re:Yea, like releasing more PC products. (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868965)

From a consumers point of view, that is a shitty stupid thing to do...but look at it from a buisness point of view, or more specifically Microsoft's point of view...it makes perfect sense.

Microsoft already has a legal monopoly in the computing industry...they are only in their second generation in the gaming industry. They need something to help cement themselves into place...the halo series is one of their primary tools for doing so. While for CONSUMERS it would make more sense and would be better to release them simultaneously, it wouldn't make much sense for their console devision...I can assure you, Microsoft would most likely rather sell you a copy of a game for their console which they lose money on/barely make any money on (the console itself, that is) which is trying to establish itself rather than sell you a copy of a game for an operating system that has a steadfast hold on the industry.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that I understand.

Re:Yea, like releasing more PC products. (2, Insightful)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870043)

That is very true - Halo was used to drive Xbox sales. It's the whole "killer app" phenomenon. The point that needs to be emphasized, though, is not that consumers were losing out, but that Bungie was losing out. They were losing money they would have made if they were not forced to make Halo an almost-exclusive title, and I betcha they lost even more money on that whole "Direct X 10 Only Because We Need to Sell Vista" debacle.

If I was an employee at Bungie, I'd be thinking something along the lines of, "Oh, so look what's happened: we've gone from one of the industry's most respected niche game developers to a subsidiary which exists first and foremost to make Microsoft's shitty products more appealing, not to make great games." Then, I'd be talking to my buddies about leaving en masse and founding a startup studio - and oh yeah, fat chance of releasing anything for the 360. So I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the separation was made to meet the staff halfway and prevent a brain drain.

This may sound a bit passionate, but game developers tend to be just about the most passionate software developers on the planet - you have to be, to endure the rigors and frequent lack of reward. And given that level of passion, I wouldn't be surprised if some people were downright irate over being forced to sabotage something they put years of work into.

Re:I know... (1)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869659)

I don't know that Bungie would get a "healthy sum of money from Microsoft" at the outset. Probably the opposite. Microsoft paid, let's say 50 million to buy Bungie (I don't really know the real amount) and the heads of Bungie got rich on that deal. But since then, Bungie's value has gone up 10-fold (Rare cost ~300 million; Bungie would be worth at least twice that today). It would seem that Bungie would have to buy back it's semi-independence by paying Microsoft at least some of what it would be worth in the open market, otherwise Microsoft is simply giving away a ~600 million dollar property.

I would guess that Bungie pays back some of its present worth, and commits to continuing to have its games published by Microsoft Game Studios (in the article, the Bungie guy calls MGS "our publisher" (for both now and in the future)), and therefore gets to return to its "independent roots".

Of course, if by "getting a healthy sum of money from Microsoft in the process", you referred to revenue earned from future Bungie titles, then sure! :)

Also, I imagine that Microsoft will continue funding Bungie's development of games, as well as funding and/or running the underpinnings of Bungie.net, since Bungie.net is much more than simply an "About Bungie" site, it's used for hosting billions of Halo statistics and whatnot.

I know (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20868433)

MTV wonders out loud ... if Bungie doesn't make Halo 4 who will?
Uwe Boll. It's going to be the world's first interactive Broadway musical in space plot.

Halo 3 (2, Funny)

sunsfan1991 (1114991) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868439)

Comming soon to the Wii

Re:Halo 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20868807)

I would seriously love a Bungie fps on the Wii. After playing with Metroid Prime 3 using the Wii remote and nuchuck, I truly believe that it is the perfect way to play an FPS.

Re:Halo 3 (1)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869247)

I don't think you really want that. Judging by all of the other ports to the Wii it will be pretty crappy in comparison to the xbox360 version.

misleading (1)

Bizzeh (851225) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868519)

bungie arnt LEAVING microsoft, microsoft will continue to own and own the right too bungie, but bungie will now be free to do their own projects outside of halo.

Re:misleading (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869223)

microsoft will continue to own and own the right too bungie

Wrong. MS will retain partial ownership only.

Remember when Nintendo passed on their option to completely buy out Rare? At the time, Nintendo only partially owned Rare (49%, I think). Nintendo sold off their portion of the company out of dissatisfaction, leaving Rare open to a complete buyout by MS. MS's relationship with Bungie is now similar to Nintendo's with Rare prior to Rare's sellout - MS retains Halo, just like Nintendo retained (and still retains) Donkey Kong Country. But currently MS does not retain the rights to Bungie's own IPs like Marathon, just like Nintendo does not have the rights to Perfect Dark.

Full Marathon refresh on Wii, anyone?

Nobody should be surprised (5, Insightful)

paleo2002 (1079697) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868631)

Ever since Bungie was purchased by Microsoft, they've done nothing but produce Halo for the XBox. No PC ports, no different games, they're barely even allowed to produce story-driven single player content. Go back and look at Bungie's pre-Xbox games: the Marathon series (which was intended to tie in to Halo), the Myth series, even Pathways into Darkness was more original than Halo 3.

I was angry with Bungie when, just a few months before Halo was to be released as a Mac exclusive, Microsoft bought them out and put them to work. But eventually I began to feel sorry for them. Bungie has had its creativity stifled for quite some time now and they've finally realized it.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (2)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868657)

Ever since Bungie was purchased by Microsoft, they've done nothing but produce Halo for the XBox. No PC ports
So.. what exactly is Halo 2 for Vista?

Re:Nobody should be surprised (5, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868741)

A very very pathetic attempt at marketing.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868805)

Not made by bungie.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (-1, Flamebait)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868729)

I was angry with Bungie when, just a few months before Halo was to be released as a Mac exclusive, Microsoft bought them out and put them to work.

Mac exclusive? Why, so they can sell to all 20 people that play games on thier Macs? If you think the PC game market is small...

Re:Nobody should be surprised (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868951)

Many people bought the xbox specifically to play halo...
A lot of those same people may have chosen a mac for the same reason. (personally i don't think halo is all that great of a game)

Re:Nobody should be surprised (0)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869375)

You're kidding right? Xbox was what, $300 at most when it came out? And you honestly think people would buy a Mac if Halo would have been an exclusive title? Not very likely at all. I doubt having Halo exclusively cause that many Xboxes to even be sold.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (2, Insightful)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869585)

Halo was a big console pusher for the XBox. In fact, 5 to 10 years from now, it will probably be the only game most people remember playing on the original XBox.

But you're right, it wouldn't have sold that many Macs. One of the reasons it did so well, IMHO, is because it provided a great FPS experience to people without requiring a $1200+ gaming rig. By the time Halo2 came out, you could buy the system and the game for less than the price of a high-end video card.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (1)

dabraun (626287) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869651)

Many people bought the xbox specifically to play halo...
A lot of those same people may have chosen a mac for the same reason. (personally i don't think halo is all that great of a game)


You're assuming that Halo would have been the same game without Microsoft. I have a feeling that a) Halo wouldn't have been nearly as successful without Microsoft and b) Halo isn't really the game Bungie wanted to create in the first place. I have no idea if it would have been a "better" game or not, but to assume it would have had the same system-selling attributes without Microsoft is ... assuming a lot.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869423)

Ummm... Marathon anyone?

Also Halo was slated to be a real time strategy game originally when it was on the Mac. Not a FPS.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (0, Flamebait)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869507)

That still doesn't answer why they'd create a mac exclusive. If it wouldn't have been for Halo on the Xbox, I would have never heard of bungie or marathon. I'm betting there's plenty of people out there just like me.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (1)

Glendale2x (210533) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870255)

Look at their past titles - Mac games with some Windows ports. It's not really a stretch that they'd want to create a possible successor to Marathon as a Mac game. It probably would have been Mac exclusive at launch and then ported to Windows later, like Marathon 2.

I liked Myth alot (1)

uncledrax (112438) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868899)

What the subject says..
Anyone that read the Black Company series can find the tie ins and some overall plot similarities, but Bungie still filled in alot of their own content and added alot of unique things. It was an 'inspired by' and not a copy. I liked that.. it was good.

Probably the best thing about the Myth series was it was one of the first games I recall that had no mod tools, but was still heavily modded. Unfortunately I couldn't get into Myth 3 nearly as much as I could Myth 1 or 2.

VR Pool Party 4 lyfe!

You can still play Myth online (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869147)

Re:I liked Myth alot (2, Informative)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869403)

Probably the best thing about the Myth series was it was one of the first games I recall that had no mod tools, but was still heavily modded.
I'm so confused. What were Hammer and Anvil (which came on my Myth2 CD from Loki) if not mod tools? Were those tools supplied by Loki? I might be misremembering, but I thought my lil' brother had those on his (non-Loki) Mac version, too.

Re:I liked Myth alot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869603)

They were Fear and Loathing, a tags editor and a mesh editor for Myth 2, which came with the game. Loki might have called them something different.

Bungie didn't release Fear and Loathing for TFL because they were buggy and only ran on MacOS with a debugger.

Re:I liked Myth alot (1)

mycroft822 (822167) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869719)

Bungie actually did release mod tools for Myth 2, I believe they were called Fear and Loathing. You are right in that the Myth 1 did not have tools, but did still have a very active mod community. The reason Myth 3 was not so great is because Bungie did not make it.

Re:Nobody should be surprised (2, Informative)

Ambitwistor (1041236) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869159)

I was angry with Bungie when, just a few months before Halo was to be released as a Mac exclusive, Microsoft bought them out and put them to work.
IIRC, Halo was never intended to be a Mac exclusive: it was slated to be a Mac/PC release. In the public announcement at Steve Jobs' 1999 keynote address, they might have said it would come out on the Mac first, but I know they definitely had a PC prototype running at the time (that's what they ported the Mac demo from).

Re:Nobody should be surprised (1)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869559)

No PC ports? I am happily playing Halo and Halo 2 on the PC.

I was just thinking, wouldn't it be funny, sice they are no longer part of Microsoft, if they released a PS3 port of Halo?

Re:Nobody should be surprised (3, Informative)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869867)

I hate to break this to you, but Bungie was on its way to bankruptcy and the Microsoft buy-out saved them. There were reports to that effect at the time.

Besides that, do a web search for an "Evolution of Halo" video. It's a quicktime video made a few years ago, about 30 minutes long or so (maybe an hour), that features Bungie developers showing footage of Halo at its various stages of development, since it was first announced at Mac World, then became a PC/Mac title, and right up until the Xbox version. The video includes commentary by three Bungie devs and at one point they talk of the fact that had it not been for Microsoft, Halo would never have been completed and released, period. Bungie was on the ropes as a company before MS bought them.

Bring back Marathon! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20868685)

Perhaps Bugnie wants to get back to developing for other non-windows platforms as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_Trilogy [wikipedia.org]

Re:Bring back Marathon! (1)

dabraun (626287) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869581)

Perhaps Bugnie wants to get back to developing for other non-windows platforms as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_Trilogy [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]


Given that Microsoft remains Bungie's exclusive publisher, I don't think that's gonna happen - unless by "non-windows platforms" you mean Xbox 360.

They won't let him jump TOO far... (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868717)

They'll attach to his hip with a deep-a-ccord...

Can we say it? (5, Funny)

russbutton (675993) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868769)

Bungie is jumping...

Apparently... (5, Funny)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 6 years ago | (#20868845)

Bungie is as tired of hearing about Halo as I am!

Oni 2? (2)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869011)

Soo... does this mean that now there is like a chance that Bungie will make that Oni sequel? http://www.bungie.net/Projects/Oni/default.aspx [bungie.net]

You know... something above the "snowball in hell" and "1 in a million" level?

Re:Oni 2? (1)

mdarksbane (587589) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869725)

They no longer own the IP. Although there's always a chance of them buying it back from Take Two (since it doesn't seem as though they're really caring that much about it).

Did any other British readers read this as... (3, Funny)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869067)

Bungle is leaving Microsoft? I guess that only leaves Zippy....

Re:Did any other British readers read this as... (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869165)

Yeah, but George is going to be replacing Bill when he leaves.

Re:Did any other British readers read this as... (2, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870315)

You do realise that there are several hundred American Slashdotters reading your post and going "Huh?"

Maybe we should harness their colletive "HUH" energies and use it to put a toupee over the hole in the ozone layer...

...or something.

Good article on Bungie (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869151)

There is an interesting and surprisingly in depth article on Bungie and how they went about developing for Halo 3. They follow Bungie's development process and get into things like how Bungie solved different AI problems etc. Anyway when you have some free time, it's 6 pages long, hop over to http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/15-09/ff_halo [wired.com] and give it a read. Btw I don't own an Xbox and never played Halo but I still found the article very interesting.

What about Halo 7? (1)

Ryukotsusei (1164453) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869193)

If they don't do Halo 7, then how will we have world peace [loadingreadyrun.com] ?

Halo DS? (2, Interesting)

Darktyco (621568) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869301)

Does this mean that they are goign to release Halo DS [joystiq.com] ?

should have seen this coming (1)

dannannan (470647) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869349)

Just a few days ago Robert Scoble wrote about [scobleizer.com] how Bungie was the one bright spot in the sea of Microsoft:

Microsoft needs a new story. If I were on the management team I'd be looking hard at the Bungie team, the folks who brought us Halo 3.

Bungie splitting off makes a lot of sense, but I doubt it is the start of a trend at Microsoft. I used to work at MGS, and with Bungie -- they had a longer leash than any other group that I knew about at the company, and they fought constantly to keep it that way.

Bungie splitting makes a lot of sense ? (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869573)

"Bungie splitting off makes a lot of sense"

How does losing control of Halo make a lot of sense?

Re:Bungie splitting makes a lot of sense ? (2, Insightful)

dannannan (470647) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869933)

If you want to make games without a manager constantly looking over your shoulder telling you what your game should be like, then it makes a lot of sense.


Bungie relinquished control of Halo years ago when Microsoft bought them. While at MGS, they had to fight constantly for whatever control of Halo they could get. Keep in mind, Halo is a good series, but having Halos and Master Chiefs in your game isn't what makes it great. Just look at single-player Halo 2. Freedom to be creative -- to break all the rules and make something new, unexpected, and fun -- is where great games come from. You have to create the right conditions for that to happen, and that's what Bungie is doing by increasing their independence.

Clearly what will happen (4, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869419)

Is that Bungie get as far away as Microsoft as they can without crashing the company, hold their own for a bit, but then come run rushing back towards Microsoft though never as close, and then they will distance themselves again but less severe, and so on and so forth.

no .. (0, Offtopic)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869545)

"Is that Bungie get as far away as Microsoft as they can without crashing the company, hold their own for a bit, but then come run rushing back"

No, what will happen is that Bungie will become a niche player on Windows ..

Clearly what will happen (Score:2)

Re:no .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869795)

whoosh

get it, bungie, back and forth from microsoft like they're on a big elastic band... bungie? get it?

sheesh

So does this mean... (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869431)

We can actually go out and buy legal copies of Halo for Mac now?

Re:So does this mean... (1)

hitmanWilly1337 (1034664) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869537)

Heh, I'm still waiting for a Linux port, along with airborne pigs and demonic snowball fights.

Re:So does this mean... (1)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869953)

What do you mean? The Mac version of Halo was released years ago in 2003. What is preventing you from "legally buying" it? Was it discontinued for some reason?

getting bungied .. (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869485)

Is this what's known as getting bungied .. ?

So Bungie becomes like Polyphony (3, Interesting)

I'm Don Giovanni (598558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869493)

Besides Shane Kim's statment of Bungie/MS continuing relationship quoted in the summary, the article also says:

Bungie studio head Harold Ryan described the move as "an exciting evolution" of the relationship with Microsoft.
"We will continue to develop with our primary focus on Microsoft's platforms; we greatly value our mutually prosperous relationship with our publisher, Microsoft Game Studios, and we look forward to continuing that affiliation through Halo and beyond," he said.


The article also says Microsoft will "will retain an equity interest" in Bungie.

This tells me that Bungie simply goes from Microsoft 1st party to Microsoft 2nd party, like Sony's relationship with Polyphony (makers of GT).

 

Doesn't MS get it? (1)

pchoppin (864344) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869517)

Gaming is their true forté. Screw the whole Windows product line. MS should stick with the gaming arena.

Apparently, Bungie gets it...

Myth IV? (1)

Fearan (600696) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869577)

Anyone remember Myth I,II,III? Now that was a fun series! A giant battlefield with zombies and other cool dudes to blow up with dwarfs. It'd be awesome if there was ever another game in this series.

Apart from the Total War series, are there any other similar games to the old Myth?

Way back (1)

setrops (101212) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869661)

I remember way back reading Blues news and loonyboi had this new game from Bungie, how great it was going to be and it was comming out on PC next year. Well next year came, Microsoft baught Bungie and it became an X-Box only title.

I was so dissapointed, I don;t play console games.

I think it finally came out on the PC 1 1/2 year later but by that time my interest in the game was gone.

And I think this is what Bungie is seeing now. Yes they are probably making money under Microsoft ownership, but are also probably losing millions due to platform restrictions. who know i might buy Halo4.

Halo 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869705)

Hate to break it to you but Master Chief dies at the end of Halo 3 and peace breaks out.

The trilogy is done, there shouldn't be a Halo 4, they should make a new series.

Yay! (3, Interesting)

nerdacus (1161321) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869759)

Maybe they'll go back to making Mac games again. Won't hold my breath though.

I am baffled. (0, Flamebait)

lantastik (877247) | more than 6 years ago | (#20869931)

Halo...the most average FPS on the planet and people are nutting in their pants to own a copy. The only thing I can figure is this is the first FPS most console players ever played so they don't know any better.

The game is average, the engine is below average and the story/campaign is garbage. Deus Ex Machina anyone?

Re:I am baffled. (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870273)

I played Halo 1 on the PC, it was okay but not a patch on Half-Life 1 or 2 for single player or Unreal Tournament 2004 for multiplayer.

I thought the little chattering aliens running about turned Halo 1 into a Disney game for 10 year olds.

I played it once all the way through then sold my copy on eBay.

Vastly overrated game.

Marathon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20869973)

I'd like to see a title that officially bridges "Marathon" with "Halo." There's lots of speculation that the two universes are the same, but never official word from Bungie. That'd be cool.

Finally (1)

macdaddy (38372) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870097)

Praise Kevin Bacon! I was very pissed when Bungie sold out to MS. Bungie used to make great products, especially for the make. Their graphics were unrivaled in their day and for many years afterwards even by Id. Since then I don't believe Bungie has made a single Mac title/port (not that I recall at least). I for one am quite glad Bungie made the split.

Who will make Halo 4? (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870213)

No one.... it has been said time and again, Halo was a TRILOGY. Just like Marathon ended at game 3 and Bungie wouldn't budge on that, so will Halo and thats a GOOD THING. Id rather 3 good games, than 3 good games and loads of crappy sequels to cash in and unlike Mario or Zelda or others where they all remake themselves in some way, there is only so much you can do with a FPS at this point before it stops being a FPS.

Halo Wars = Halo 4? (1)

Nitroadict (1005509) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870231)

Why is suddenly everyone crapping their pants about if there will be a Halo 4 when there already is a 4th Halo game coming out in the form of Halo Wars ? [wikipedia.org] From what I know about Halo 3, the game is some type of prelude or beginning of some epic battle...then you have a game called Halo Wars coming along, which will be more of an RPG in the vein of MMORPG's rather than a shooter like the first 3 games have been.

Okay, so Halo Wars is being developed by Ensemble Studios, not Bungie, but seriously, this will be more or less the 4th Halo game, and hopefully Bungie moves on to make new games.

Although, personally, I wouldn't mind them back treading a bit and remaking Marathon before officially or un-offically closing the door on development for Halo games. :D

Myth! Multiple platforms... something NEW (4, Interesting)

hellfire (86129) | more than 6 years ago | (#20870259)

I'm not into FPS but I hear halo is pretty good. Marathon was good back in it's day. Another title you may not have known about was the Myth series. Hot damn I loved that series. It's classified under strategy games but it's really an early foray into tactical unit management and it was brilliant. I miss it so. It was one game that I wasn't good at, never once won an online game I played. And yet I couldn't get enough multiplayer. All that 3D work and physics modelling you see in WC3 and SC2... Myth pioneered that in "strategy" games ten years ago.

I want to see new Mac games from Bungie again. I liked playing all their games, even FPS. Doom and quake never interested me. Marathon... there was just something about Marathon. The best companies invest in the mythos and storyline of their game. Bungie does that so well. When Bungie was purchased by Microsoft and halo taken to xbox, I lost all interest.

And hell, it's about time they just came up with something completely new.
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