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Mandriva Linux 2008 Now Available

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the latest-bits dept.

Mandriva 189

AdamWill writes "Mandriva Linux 2008 is now available for download on the official site and on the network of public mirror servers. In 2008 you will find KDE 3.5.7 and the new GNOME 2.20 already integrated, a solid kernel 2.6.22.9 with fair scheduling support, OpenOffice.org 2.2.1, cutting-edge 3D-accelerated desktop courtesy of Compiz Fusion 0.5.2, Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.6, and everything else you've come to expect. We have integrated a reworked hardware detection sub-system, with support for a lot of new devices (particularly graphics cards, sound cards, and wireless chips). There is a wizard to import Windows documents and settings, a new network configuration center, and a set of improvements to the Mandriva software management tools. Read about the new features in depth in the release tour, or view the release notes. The One installation CD is the recommended download: it comes with a full KDE desktop and application suite, NVIDIA and ATI proprietary video card drivers, Intel wireless firmware, Adobe Flash and Sun Java browser plugins, all included."

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Link leads to archive (5, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#20915909)

Proper link should be: http://www.mandriva.com/en/download.html [mandriva.com]

Re:Link leads to archive (4, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916083)

Yes, I submitted a correction to the story about five minutes after I submitted the story. The editor obviously missed it :(. That is indeed the correct link. There are also torrents at http://torrent.mandriva.com/public [mandriva.com] .

This is news? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20915925)

Is there anyone still using this has-been of a distro?

What happened to Matisse? (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#20915935)

Mandriva already had shiney window manager effects didn't they? Have they dropped Matisse in favor of Compiz?

Re:What happened to Matisse? (2, Informative)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916075)

Its still in Drak3d as far as I can tell, you can use that or Compiz Fusion.

Re:What happened to Matisse? (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916219)

Metisse is still there. You can choose between Metisse and Compiz Fusion with drak3d. Mandriva has shipped Compiz since the release of 2007. 2007 came with Compiz. 2007 Spring came with Compiz, Beryl and Metisse. 2008 comes with Compiz Fusion and Metisse.

Re:What happened to Matisse? (-1, Troll)

gladish (982899) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917059)

well the next time I hear someone complain about microsoft not "innovating", I'm going to point out all the UI stuff in linux that is clearly lifted from mac osx and windows. I'm referring to that youtube video of compviz that's linked from the wiki. it's sort of interesting, all I ever hear is about the linux desktop movement. it's still all about playing catch-up with windows and mac.

Re:What happened to Matisse? (4, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917315)

I'm going to point out all the UI stuff in linux that is clearly lifted from mac osx and windows.
OK, go ahead. We're all waiting in anticipation.

Before you reply, bear in mind Compiz was around months before Vista.

Re:What happened to Matisse? (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917351)

Brain dead desktop users value familiarity above all else. Linux desktop apps get criticized for their GUI every time they do something different. Look at the GIMP for instance. Or all the bitching about cut+paste.

IMO, the linux GUI has been ahead of windows for a long time. Look at X-forwarding, virtual desktops, window shading, always-on-top. None of these things work in windows.

Re:What happened to Matisse? (3, Informative)

mashade (912744) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917513)

Compiz and Beryl came way before Vista's release, buster.

Admittedly, many of the composite features are similar to what's been available in MacOSX for a while, but it's hardly a ripoff of Exposé.

Mandriva (2, Funny)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916003)

I'm a bit of a "man driver" myself, sweety.

XXXX

bells and whistles (0, Troll)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916005)

What is the deal with every single large distro out there incorporating 3d acelerated desktops and shining bells and whistles as the main features in all new releases? Sadly, this says mush about the state of computing today (and not only Linuzzz, but desktop computing in general). We had a time when functionality was the fundamental thing, and shining features were secundary. The, in the end of the 90s, bells and whistles became more importand, and real features were cecondary. Gladly, in the begining of the 00s we semmed to have a resurrection of the sobriety: good features were added and pwoplw were cautious when adding flashing crap. Now, we have the return of the insanity, once again, and no desktop Linuzz or no-Linuz distro seem to miss some fatual features like a rotating cube, transparent borders or trembling controls...Oh well...

Re: bells and whistles (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916057)

Yeah and we can definitely get rid of those flashy, unneeded, unused, and bloated spell checkers!

Re: bells and whistles (3, Informative)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916089)

Compiz Fusion does have some advantages that aren't just bells and whistles: Expose-style "show me the windows" so you can see what's in different applications and which you really want, negative and ADD modes, fading so that only your most prominent window is catching your attention, a widgets layer so you can have things easily accessible but not on any desktop, screen annotation, window grouping/tabbing,...

Okay, so most people put it in for "I can make my windows do silly transitions", and it would be better if more functionality were added instead, but the eye candy can be the basis for functionality as well :)

Re: bells and whistles (1)

Virgil Tibbs (999791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916163)

basically the idea is that these distros lure people off OS X and vista. while eye candy is definly not what most people want, it lures people...
you are right, the bells and whistles are motre important atm... mainly because a lot of developers have decided that the core apps are up to the job, but doing stuff better than MS is worth it...

Re: bells and whistles (1)

dokebi (624663) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916165)

After reading your comment, and then your sig, then your comment again,
Where were you when Windows replaced DOS?

oblig: (1)

Virgil Tibbs (999791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916217)

using GNU/linux

>>**

varients accepted:
using GNU/unix
uning GNU/minix
using GNU/some_thing_else

Re: bells and whistles (1)

kwabbles (259554) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916697)

Laughing my ass off when VLAD from Australia released the first w32 PE virus, only months after Bill Gates said Windows 95 executables can't be infected.

Re: bells and whistles (1)

Atti K. (1169503) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917653)

Yeah, yeah, remember the old days, when we launched win.com to play Solitaire (and maybe start Winword once in a while)? ;)

Re: bells and whistles (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916175)

What is the deal with every single large distro out there incorporating 3d acelerated desktops and shining bells and whistles as the main features in all new releases?
Well the article summary mentioned updates of KDE, Gnome, OpenOffice.org and Firefox, plus the part about a new kernel with CFS. But I guess you just saw "compiz" and decided to post your opinion straight away.

Re: bells and whistles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916195)

We had a time when functionality was the fundamental thing, and shining features were secundary.
You've never used any of the previous Mandrake releases, have you? Shiny and buggy is the name of the game for them.

Speaking of functionality, Firefox2, Konqueror, and Epiphany ALL have integrated spell checkers. You no longer have an excuse for such jewels as:
  • acelerated
  • mush (this would get through the spell checker, but I have to insist)
  • secundary
  • importand,
  • cecondary (you should at least misspell consistently!)
  • semmed
  • pwoplw
  • fatual
  • I am sure there is at least one more that I missed
I mean, come on dude, English is my second foreign language and this is obvious even to me. A modicum of discipline, please

Oh, go to Hell. (4, Informative)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916203)

This guy's pissing me off, and I'm going to tell him one thing Mandriva Linux has that is very practical that no other Linux has unless you want to start your own mirror system. Domain based parallel application installation. In particular, using LDAP and Kerberos, you can use Kerberos authentication to mass deploy an entire network of application in one command. It uses LDAP to check it, Kerberos to authenticate it, SSH to copy it, and urpmi to install it. This is something I have not seen with any other Linux.

Linux has Active Directory authentication out of the box, an easy front end to ndiswrapper, an easy method for adding Internet software repositories. I really hate this guy. e all work so hard and he tramples on everything we have done.

Mark my words, I will see you using a Linux Desktop yet!

Your english is astounding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916657)

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Re:Oh, go to Hell. (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916715)

I tend to type badly when I am mad as Hell.

Re:Oh, go to Hell. (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917393)

You do know that a bash/csh/ksh script that reads a list of targets and iterates scp and ssh commands through a conditional loop (pointed to that list) is pretty easy to build, right? Couple that with pre-existing SSH keys on your target machines, and you're all set. Doesn't take more than a couple of hours to set up - less if you already have the script built from something earlier.

LDAP is just the icing on the cake (Hell, I use NIS for my auth...)

/P

Re:Oh, go to Hell. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917459)

Why do you care if he uses a Linux desktop or not?

Re: bells and whistles (4, Insightful)

bondjamesbond (99019) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916229)

Gosh, ask Steve Jobs. He's made quite a good living selling shiny things with bells and whistles.

Re: bells and whistles (1)

wanderingknight (1103573) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916233)

Yeah, because Aero is not Vista's most loudly trumpeted feature.

Oh, wait...

Re: bells and whistles (1)

XHIIHIIHX (918333) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916897)

It has other features? Everything else seems as FU as ever. Oh, wait, tab completion is on by default, that's a good thing.

Re: bells and whistles (2)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916261)

It's not the main feature of 2008. We just mention it because we know it's important to many users. The 3D desktop stuff in 2008 just an incremental upgrade over previous releases - we had Compiz, then Compiz and Beryl, now we have Compiz Fusion.

Non-Free (1)

Virgil Tibbs (999791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916029)

It's interesting they are including all this NON-Free stuff by default, it seems like they are trying to be linux mint.
I don't applaud their inclusion of proprietary binaries in GNU+linux as default

Re:Non-Free (5, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916297)

We give you the choice. The One and Powerpack editions include non-free stuff for convenience. For those who value free software principles, the Free edition includes nothing but free software. if that's your preference, use the Free edition.

Re:Non-Free (2, Insightful)

jackharrer (972403) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916555)

That's the true spirit of GNULinux - choice. That's why GNU/Linux is for everybody - you can have it in whatever flavour you like!

Re:Non-Free (-1, Flamebait)

SpacePunk (17960) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917705)

Well, in all fairness, GNU-Linux did put the 'free' in freeloader.

AskSlashdot follow up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916059)

This seems to be a follow up to the ask slashdot about POS linux [slashdot.org] ?

Ubuntu (4, Insightful)

Virgil Tibbs (999791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916069)

Ubuntu has basically stolen all the hype mandriva used to have hasn't it?
Mandriva used to be one of the only 'gratuis' distros which had a nice desktop by default
didn't it pioneer the way towards 'point and click', 'just working'?

Re:Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916457)

I used to use Mandriva Linux,known as Mandrake back then, until they started pushing too hard the commercial edition, purely accidentally this coincided with the emergence of Ubuntu.

There's one major difference between the two distros though, Mandriva is RPM while Ubuntu is DEB based.

Re:Ubuntu (0, Troll)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916549)

Ubuntu has basically stolen all the hype mandriva used to have hasn't it?
Mandriva used to be one of the only 'gratuis' distros which had a nice desktop by default
didn't it pioneer the way towards 'point and click', 'just working'?
It worked great until you want to install new software. Granted, I haven't used Mandrake...er... Mandiva since I switched to Debian-based-distro's (like Ubuntu) years ago, but I distinctly remember having do download mdk.rpm's or something of the sort to install apps. Of course, then I'd have to hunt for their dependencies. When I couldn't some particular dependencies, I would have to download the source and hope it compiled without error. RPM-Hell is why I dumped Redhat! Why would I go into a deeper ring of Hell with Mandr*?

Again, it's been a while since I've used it. If they have a better (read: automated with many applications) package manager, then good for them, but unless it beats apt-get/aptitude or emerge, I'm not interested.

Re:Ubuntu (4, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916717)

You never actually had to do that to install software on Mandrake / Mandriva, though some people got the idea that they did. Ever since the very early releases Mandriva has had a dependency resolving package manager, urpmi, and a proper set of online repositories. For information on how the system works in the current release, see http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software [mandriva.com] .

Re:Ubuntu (2, Informative)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917257)

RPM-Hell is why I dumped Redhat!

I constantly see this touted. I've tried various distributions with different package formats. Frankly I found debian to be the exact same as RPM based systems. Both have their problems. Both have their advantages. Both have pretty much the exact same problems, differing only in implementation details. IMO, to say one is better or worse based only on the package format is to be ignorant of the subject matter. Heck, I actually had a harder time managing packages on debian based systems than I had on RPM based systems at one point in time. And I'm sure the inverse is true for others. It all depends on what you're trying to do.

There is no such thing as a magical package format which makes dogs love cats, in a romantic kind of way. Ultimately, it all boils down to the utilities available to manage those packages. And these days, they are all more or less the same. With tools like urpmi and yum, anyone that has RPM hell is suffering from a self imposed affliction. Heck, it is pretty easy to turn tar files directly into RPMs these days too. Most RPM distros addressed "RPM-hell" some three to five years ago, if not longer. It happened about the time debian guys started claiming they had resolved the issue. Seems so many listened, they missed that most other distributions had too.

I do agree RH (commercial version) was probably the last, or at least one of the slowest, to address this of modern distributions. Not long ago up2date was their tool of choice. These days it is yum.

Long story short, anyone complaining of RPM-hell is either living in the past or flat out suffering from denial.

Re:Ubuntu (1)

crush (19364) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917381)

I appreciate that you say that you haven't used an RPM based distro for several years. I think you'd find if you tried one now that the tools (such as YUM [duke.edu] and PUP [fedoraproject.org] and SMART [zorked.net] ) simplify package managament greatly. When you add to this that the quality and quantity of RPM packaging (now 5000 packages for Fedora [redhat.com] ) is going up there really isn't much of a case to make for debs and distros based on them being superior. Add to this that there are examples of "Deb-hell" if you look for them [linuxchix.org] .

The reason that debs used to be superior was because of the Debian community working together to package Free software according to agreed high standards. It's a pity that more people don't explicitly acknowledge that Ubuntu is just a slightly tweaked distro sitting on top of all this work done by the Debian community.

Re:Ubuntu (0, Redundant)

cmorriss (471077) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916873)

Ubuntu has basically stolen all the hype mandriva used to have hasn't it?
Mandriva used to be one of the only 'gratuis' distros which had a nice desktop by default
didn't it pioneer the way towards 'point and click', 'just working'?

Yes.

Re:Ubuntu for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917209)

It is definitely Ubuntu for me.

I just can't bring myself to using a distro whose name is dangerously close to "Mangina"

What about Mandingo Linux? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916087)

No love for the black man?

Re:What about Mandingo Linux? (1)

bondjamesbond (99019) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916137)

I don't get it.

Re:What about Mandingo Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916223)

Re:What about Mandingo Linux? (1)

Virgil Tibbs (999791) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916303)

not a very funny joke was it AC?

Shouldn't blacks just use Ubuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916315)

I mean, well, y'know...

Re:Shouldn't blacks just use Ubuntu? (1)

bondjamesbond (99019) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916525)

I don't get it... again.

Re:Shouldn't blacks just use Ubuntu? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916731)

You really enjoy announcing your ignorance. A rare quality, but good for you!

(I know... you don't get this either. *pats likely-nappy head*)

transitionary distro? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916237)

How does this compare to say Ubuntu for people who are still somewhat new to Linux? Last time I remember Mandriva requiring manual editing of the grub file off the bat which isn't so bad now, but I question if it'll put off new users.

Re:transitionary distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916385)

No, you've never had to do that. Are you just trying to troll? It's obvious you have never used Mandriva, in any case, so at best you're a liar.

And now we present... (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917503)

Anyone have a copy of "Why trolls post anonymously?" I've been looking all over for a copy and could use it right about now.

Re:And now we present... (2, Informative)

Random Destruction (866027) | more than 6 years ago | (#20918141)

I used Mandrake 9.0 up until they switched to mandriva, and never had to edit a grub file manually. Especially considering it used (still uses?) lilo instead of grub. I'm with the AC here.

Re:transitionary distro? (1)

jiawen (693693) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916469)

I started Linux with Mandriva 9.1, then later used 10.1 and 2007. They slowly got things working better in some ways, but every major release meant tons of important broken packages. In 2007, Firestarter, XEphem and Gweled were quite completely broken, as I remember it. Setting up my Wacom tablet meant huge headaches every major release. They never got a decent package management system (rpmdrake is a huge pain to use; dependency hell was all over the place, the GUI quite often didn't actually select the packages I clicked on and many more problems). Et cetera.

Around that time, Ubuntu was getting a lot more press. I tried it and have never gone back. Ubuntu has its problems -- there was some package missing from Gnome that required quite a bit of hunting down to get my themes working, for example, which wasn't a problem in Mandriva -- but overall, it's vastly superior. Package management, Wacom setup, a million little interface choices -- Ubuntu steals headlines from Mandriva for good reason.

Mandriva was a good distro to start with. It gave me a lot of explanation and hand-holding where I needed it. But given a choice, I would've used Ubuntu right from the start and never tried Mandriva.

Re:transitionary distro? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916505)

As I recall, ever since Mandrake became Mandriva, lilo has been the default boot loader. I always go back during the install and change it to grub, but I've never had to edit the grub configuration file, although I like to add vga=791 as a kernel parameter but that is more of an icing on the cake than an essential part of the configuration.

I never did like Ubuntu. It always had this weird sudo setup and set the root password to some random password. I believe that at one point someone discovered that the password was written to the install log. That whole setup with trying to force people to use sudo is totally stupid. And the way all the VTs are setup also annoyed me. On Mandriva I could always do "xinit /usr/bin/startkde -display :0 -- :0" and then start gnome "xinit /usr/bin/startkde -display :1 -- :1" on another VT but Ubuntu messed all that up by taking over too many VTs.

Re:transitionary distro? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916623)

I never did like Ubuntu. It always had this weird sudo setup and set the root password to some random password.
In Ubuntu the root account is disabled by default. You cannot login as root and you cannot su to root unless you manually assign it a password. Most users have no reason to do so, however.

Re:transitionary distro? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916759)

BTW, the trick is "sudo -i". Cheers, H.

Re:transitionary distro? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916785)

grub has been default since 2007.1 (since it has a better graphical mode, lilo's graphical mode was a horrible hoary patch we didn't feel like keeping on life support any longer). lilo is still available as an option, of course.

Re:transitionary distro? (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916981)

Grub support was probably mandated by the drive to support Xen. Xen kernels usually require grub.

Re:transitionary distro? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916685)

Mandriva is a 'heavy' distro and includes everything including the kitchen sink. That being said, the Mandriva wizards are second to none. So if you have a machine with a large disk drive (and nowadays that is everybody) then Mandriva is for you. For a total newcomer, Mandriva is excellent, better than Ubuntu, since the wizards are better. It is the only distro where you really can do everything with a mouse.

Re:transitionary distro? (2, Informative)

ewhenn (647989) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917313)

Personally, I find it *easier* than Ubuntu.

I installed 2007 Spring as my fist linux distro in 5 years. Mandriva auto detected everythign and set it up. My Wireless and sound worked out of the box. Not something I can say for Ubuntu. Ubuntu was a PITA to get wireless working. And I never got sound working on Ubuntu. That alone was a deal maker for me. I don't want to mess around for hours trying to get stuff to work. I jsut want it to work. I actually like Mandriva better than XP for internet/office stuff.

Keep in mind this is coming from a novice with linux, so if you want someone who's opinion would be comparable to the everyday-joe's opinion, yeah you found it here. I can stick a disk in and follow the on screen instructions, and that's about it. Mandriva worked, Ubuntu didn't.

Compiz Fusion (2, Interesting)

bostons1337 (1025584) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916257)

Seems to be most new linux releases are adopting Compiz Fusion in place of what they had/didn't have before. Ubuntu's new release (Gutsy Gibbon) will be using Compiz Fusion by default also. Hopefully Compiz Fusion isn't too buggy, its on the newer side, or there are going to be alot of angry Linux users.

Re:Compiz Fusion (1)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916465)

Compiz Fusion seems to be stable enough (been using it since it dropped into Ubuntu 7.10 alphas), the only problems with it I have experienced have been bugs in my proprietary nVidia driver. I used Beryl before that, which was also quite stable (and has some features I'm missing in Fusion). I must say that even with my antique GeForce 3 card, it is a more responsive window manager than unaccelerated Metacity (and I've seen less CPU usage). Which says something since even after requiring more powerful hardware, people say that Vista's Aero runs slower and consumes more CPU time.

Re:Compiz Fusion (1)

Pootworm (1000883) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917291)

I picked up openSuse 10.3 the other day, which also ships with Compiz Fusion. After using their (amazingly wildly easy) nVidia driver installer (point-click-restart X-done) and enabling desktop effects, I got a beautiful white cube. Everything up to that point had been sailing smoother than ever I've encountered with a Linux distro, so I was hoping it'd all Just Work. It didn't. No, I didn't go rooting through FAQs and mailing lists to find out why, I just booted back into Gentoo. Seems close though. So close. Incidentally, a Vista install on the same computer choked to death on my onboard flash card reader. I _did_ go rooting through FAQs and mailing lists for that, and I think I probably would have arrived at some Compiz answers in a tenth the time it took to find anything related to the problem I was experiencing with Vista. Of course, nVidia's drivers are fine in Vista...*wince*

64 bits? (3, Interesting)

N7DR (536428) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916349)

Their wiki says: "Mandriva Linux 2008 is available in three editions: One, Powerpack and Free, for both i586 and x86-64 architectures", but so far I have been unable to find the 64-bit version of either One or Free (One is the "free + proprietary" version; Free is the "free only" version).

I can't tell if my inability to find the 64-bit version of One or Free is due to their confusing site design, my incompetence, or because those versions don't actually exist. Several places on their site say that all versions are available from "the official download site": http://www.mandriva.com/archives/ [mandriva.com] But there's no indication there at all of how to get the 64-bit versions (at least, not at the time I'm writing this). I can't say that I'm impressed by the apparent lack of internal coordination on their website for this release: several links point to the Spring 2007 edition as still being current.

I hate to draw the conclusion that this is (yet) one more sign of Mandriva's decreasing relevance, but I would be very surprised if Ubuntu's upcoming release exhibited any of these kinds of quirks.

Re:64 bits? (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916531)

I'm pretty sure the 64-Bit files are on the Install CD. I read that it will install a 64-Bit client if you have a 64-Bit processor and you have to override it on install if you want the 32-Bit. Though, I don't know if that's only on the DVD version.

Re:64 bits? (1)

N7DR (536428) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916745)

Can you cite what leads you to believe that? If they have done that, I think it's a change from the past, and I can find no obvious statement to support you.

Mind you, I can't find a way to download the DVD version anyway. I must have the wrong kind of mind to grasp the organization of their site.

Re:64 bits? (4, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916987)

The Free x86-64 edition is available, from the download mirrors or at http://torrent.mandriva.com/public [mandriva.com] . There's no x86-64 One at the present time, I'll have to update that text. If you get to www.mandriva.com/archives/ , that means you hit a broken link. We just changed www.mandriva.com , concurrent with the 2008 release, but the new site is still having some kinks worked out. www.mandriva.com/archives/ is the old version site, preserved for now in case we need it. As it's the old site and it won't be used any more, nothing on it was updated for 2008. We are currently sending all broken links under www.mandriva.com to www.mandriva.com/archives/ , on the basis that whatever you were looking for is probably still in there somewhere. As we get all the kinks worked out of the new site, you won't see this happening so much. We would've liked a few more days to polish the new site, but we couldn't push 2008 release without the new site, and we didn't want to delay the release solely to finish the website. Slashdot initially ran this story with a broken link to www.mandriva.com/download.html (should have been www.mandriva.com/en/download.html ), so you may have got to the /archives page that way.

Re:64 bits? (2, Interesting)

GreggBz (777373) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917033)

A great percentage of the complaints against Mandriva stem from their maze of homepages and subverted, hidden or missing download links. It's just not completely obvious where to get Mandriva. It should be.

I've been totally impressed with the 2007.1 (Spring)

It's a little more complete then Ubuntu, is closer to the Red-Hat we use where I work, and has a much improved package management system.
Also, the ATI drivers are good and the hardware compatibility has been at least as good as Ubuntu in my experience. The media support and embedded player in firefox has been about flawless, something I did not have with Ubuntu. The updates also seem speedy and have worked flawlessly.

I think my biggest beef with Ubuntu is the RootSudu. I understand the whole disable root login notion, I just can't get used to it. I work faster when I'm really root. I'll just use a strong password.

All that being said, Ubuntu is still very good, and you're right, Mandriva is so damn hard to download. I usually end up cribbing the mirrors listed in the installer and poking around the the ftp/http directories when they release a new version.

Re:64 bits? (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917319)

"A great percentage of the complaints against Mandriva stem from their maze of homepages and subverted, hidden or missing download links. It's just not completely obvious where to get Mandriva. It should be." as I said, we're still working on the new page. once that's completed it'll be as easy as you can wish. I mean, go to www.mandriva.com . Note the gigantic green button marked "Download". :)

Re:64 bits? (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917395)

I work faster when I'm really root. I'll just use a strong password.

Faster to trash your machine, yeah.

Re:64 bits? (3, Informative)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917405)

I've been totally impressed with the 2007.1

Mandriva definitely went through some growing pains. Okay, okay, it was growing leprosy. The three releases prior to 2007 had some real crufty bugs and lots of things which just didn't work right. These problems brought into question the viability of the entire distribution. Since 2007, they have finally come full circle and now offer a high quality, robust (fat) distribution, like what originally made them popular. The 2007.1 release only continued to improve and polish.

Don't be afraid to try Mandriva. I've tried many different distributions and went elsewhere during their dark days, but I came back. Personally I like it much better than Fedora and especially Red Hat. I consider in on par with Ubuntu for package completeness. And the wizards is a real bonus for most inexperienced users.

Re:64 bits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917947)

I think my biggest beef with Ubuntu is the RootSudu. I understand the whole disable root login notion, I just can't get used to it. I work faster when I'm really root. I'll just use a strong password.


sudo passwd root

chmod 4750 /bin/su

Docs [ubuntu.com]

is this one better than 2007? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916409)

Pretty much all the latest "releases" from mandriva look like untestrd betas: broken package dependencies, not working releases etc, the worst one being 2007.0. Somehow i doubt this one is any better than the previous releases. Mandriva has always been the one to put the latest and quite often not the greatest, not thoroughly tested software. I agree with the previous poster: Linux has mostly become about appearance and not about functionality/usability.

Re:is this one better than 2007? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917335)

I have one of the 2007 versions.It has been running constantly since I installed it just after the release, short of a couple power failures. I've had no trouble with it. Maybe you're just stupid?

Outdated Firefox? (1)

quarkomatic (960271) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916441)

Why wouldn't it come with the latest version of Firefox, 2.0.0.7?

Re:Outdated Firefox? (2, Informative)

Lumenary7204 (706407) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916561)


Why wouldn't it come with the latest version of Firefox, 2.0.0.7?

Because the people who compile and package the distro from source need to draw a line somewhere, and test for proper functionality with what they have.

If they kept updating distro packages every time a minor thing changes before release, there would never be time for any real testing, and overall quality would suffer.

Bleeding Edge... (2, Informative)

Lumenary7204 (706407) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916641)


However, if you're adventurous and would like to build your own Linux box with all bleeding-edge components, you could try the guidelines posted on the "Linux From Scratch" website (not an endorsement, just a place to start):

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [linuxfromscratch.org]

Re:Bleeding Edge... (1)

jcasper (972898) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916961)

... or if you don't want to go all the way to building your whole system from scratch (which is educational initially, but takes a lot of time and effort to keep up to date afterward), you can use a distro like Arch Linux [archlinux.org] which generally has the latest version of everything, but still has the convenience of package management with pre-built binary packages, etc.

Re:Outdated Firefox? (1)

quarkomatic (960271) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916761)

Well, surely it will be available from the package manager as an update, since 2.0.0.7 addresses a critical security vulnerability. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox2.0.0.7 [mozilla.org]

Re:Outdated Firefox? (3, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916813)

as I said, that vulnerability does not affect Linux. See the advisory, http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2007/mfsa2007-28.html [mozilla.org] : "On his blog Petko D. Petkov reported that QuickTime Media-Link files contain a qtnext attribute that could be used on Windows systems to launch the default browser with arbitrary command-line options." (my emphasis)

Re:Outdated Firefox? (3, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916669)

2.0.0.7 included only a security fix that is not relevant to Linux users. Since we were already in version freeze, it would have been silly to break it in order to include a package that has absolutely no benefit.

2007, 2008? (4, Insightful)

mrslacker (1122161) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916473)

Someone tell them that it's not 2008 for another 12 weeks. Is this going to be like cars, where the "2008" models were actually made in early 2007 - and when you sell it, it looks a year newer than it actually is?

Sorry, car analogy.

I hope this isn't the same as RC1 (3, Interesting)

kwabbles (259554) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916481)

RC1 was out what... maybe 1 month ago? I tried it and after countless bugs, widgets/controls that didn't work, and other annoying nuisances that I didn't feel like fixing - I dropped it. I was surprised to see a final version released so soon.

Improvements? (2, Interesting)

multisync (218450) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916591)

and a set of improvements to the Mandriva software management tools.


I hope by "improvements," they mean returning some of the functionality the software management tools used to have. There was a time when the software manager would give you basic information, like the total number of packages selected and their sizes, overall progress etc. Then, a couple of releases back, all of that info disappeared. There may be a way of getting "verbose" output, but the default is decidedly minimalist.

Re:Improvements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20916973)

No, no, the said improvements come in the form of 50 new Microsoft patents never before violated a Linux distro :p

Re:Improvements? (1)

presidentbeef (779674) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917051)

Agreed. And I still haven't gotten completed used to the new layout for adding/removing/updating software.

Default desktop is extremely ugly (4, Interesting)

QCompson (675963) | more than 6 years ago | (#20916919)

While the feature-list and included packages is very impressive, the default KDE desktop is truly hideous:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/uploads/9/9a/2008-kde-desktop.png [mandriva.com]

I realize this is a matter of personal taste, and that one can easily alter the look of the desktop, but still... I challenge someone to claim that the taskbar and menu-button look nice. Even the easter bunny wouldn't pick that light pastel blue as a default color. First impressions do matter.

Re:Default desktop is extremely ugly (2, Insightful)

jsight (8987) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917083)

Despite their reputation for being desktop oriented and polished, they have always had a tendancy to do this. I'll never forget the early versions with stars as checkboxes. And colors selected such that it was never obvious whether the star meant that it was selected or was not.

Ubuntu took their market share easily thanks to tremendously foolish management mistakes with the Mandrake/Mandriva distro. I think the gap is just widening even more now.

A religious war! Perfect for /. "discussion"! (0)

shanen (462549) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917251)

Gee, an announcement of a new distro! Is that an invitation to discussion? On /.?

An announcement of a new distro would certainly seem to be an invitation to discuss the features and merits and even compare them to other distros. Of course, if you do a good job of presenting your position, then people who disagree with you but who are too lazy or incompetent to say why they disagree will simply make make your position go away. After all, the negative mods are anonymous, so no one will ever know who the lazy cowards are, right?

Actually, I do have a fair bit to say on these topics. I was just testing two new distros last night, and I could say something about the features and problems I found. I do have a favorite distro and several years experience with it, and my company uses a different distro, and I've experimented with at least one one other (off the top of my head). Even though I don't know Mandriva, it would be reasonable to ask about various features in relation to Mandriva or to seek general advice about distro testing.

And the more carefully I present interesting or useful information, the more likely it becomes that my post will disappear into the black hole of negative mods. Why don't I feel motivated?

I could even go deeper than that to consider the question of freedom. Hint: It's about choice. Obviously there would be no freedom to pick OSes if Microsoft had its way, but within the Linux community the interesting question is how much choice is too much? At what point does excessive choice simply blind you to the possibilities?

I could easily contextualize any of these topics based on my experiences with the various distros. I might even be amusing with some of my dumb questions, or possibly be enlightened by unexpected wisdom--but most likely writing too clearly will offend some cowardly anonymous moderator who will simply shoot my comment in the head with a truly meaningless "overrated" mod.

In engineering terms this is called negative dynamic stability. I suppose that the /. "editors" might sincerely want to encourage dialog and discussion, but they have created a framework where such comments will be targeted for destruction. It does not work very well. No wonder /. is becoming an increasingly minor anachronism while the rest of the Internet continues to grow and develop rapidly. It's called coasting to oblivion.

Actually, the part that pisses me off is that there is almost no humor left on /. these days. I'm not joking, even recursively. [Or am I?] I do appreciate humor, but I'm sadly humor impaired when it comes to producing jokes. Is the death of humor on /. due to the punitive moderation of +funny, or have the authentically interesting and humorous people simply been completely bored (and negatively moderated) out of the place? The ghosts of /. want to know why! (That was supposed to be a joke about a tabloid newspaper advertisement, but I can't even remember the original ad, which makes it hard to imagine the joke.)

Now I predict that if I have made my comment clearly enough, a bunch of anonymous negative mods will be piled upon it, presumably destroying my karma and causing me to effectively disappear as a contributor to any future discussions. But you know what? Given the quality of the typical discussion on /., I see no reason to care.

Re:A religious war! Perfect for /. "discussion"! (1)

shanen (462549) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917345)

For Slashdot's moderation system to function properly, we need as many users as possible to Meta-Moderate. You are currently eligible... why not hop over and help?

Is this nagging supposed to be an expression of thanks for my contribution? Shucks. Why don't I feel properly thankful for the invitation to waste more time "validating" a broken moderation system? Can you get it through your head that my point is that the moderation system is *NOT* functioning properly. It is a censorious poison that is destroying thoughtful discussion.

Then again, that's probably what some people like most about /., eh?

Re:A religious war! Perfect for /. "discussion"! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917981)

Shut up you nerdy ass pussy.

What's in a Name (0, Flamebait)

srobert (4099) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917355)

I won't use Mandriva. You know why? Because I don't like the sound of the name. I would have tried Mandrake before they changed the name but never did. Mandriva sounds like a dribbling or driveling, drooling man. Is this a valid reason for rejecting a distribution?

Re:What's in a Name (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917403)

No, it's not. You're being petty.

Re:What's in a Name (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917575)

I noticed all the informative posts from you in this thread and figured you were involved in Mandriva development. So, since no one else has said it, congratulations on the release!

Re:What's in a Name (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917645)

Thanks a lot. :)

I'm Adam Williamson, my official tagline reads:

Mandriva community representative | Bugmaster | Community newsletter editor | Proofreader | Packager

basically, I have SVN and SSH access to break just about the entire company, and none of the required formal training to use it. :D

Names and languages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20917535)

Did you know that in Russian "srobert" means "a guy named Robert who takes a dump"? (you have to interpret it with a grain of slang)

I am sorry that I am posting this; I do not mean to be offensive; I'd hate it if someone used it against me (my name is also Robert); but this is true, ask anyone. Do not let the fact that I am posting this as an AC trick you into thinking that this is a lie.

Re:What's in a Name (1)

SpacePunk (17960) | more than 6 years ago | (#20917783)

It's not a valid reason. Although the name is 'trendy' in business naming terms in that it signifies 'something', but really means nothing. Look at all silly-assed nonsensical names out there that companies are using. There's at least one company that I've heard of that does nothing more than to think up silly nonsensical names for other companies.

Package repositories? (1)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 6 years ago | (#20918113)

I'm genuinely curious. One of the main things that has kept me from both Fedora and Mandriva is the package management/repositories of Debian-based systems. I just cannot live without that anymore. I mean, software might be available in RPM format, but then you have to hunt dependencies yourself. No thank you. And last time I tried, it was possible to get repository-like functionality via tools like yum, but you still had to track down a thousand different repositories (the safety of which was typically unknown).

Is this any better now? Do you still have to hunt for 3 hours on the interwebs to figure out how to install anything that didn't come with the distro?

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