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Data Centers in Strange Places

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the where-is-my-underwater-data-center dept.

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johannacw writes "Would you house a data center in a diamond mine or an old chapel? These organizations did, with great success; many of these facilities offer the latest in cooling and energy technology, among other advances. 'If you want an even more hardened environment for your data, you might look at the aptly named InfoBunker in Boone, Iowa, about an hour outside Des Moines. [...] The 65,000-square-foot, five-story site is dug deep into the ground. No one gets in without passing though the 4.5-ton steel door and then a three-step process. A scanner uses radio frequency to read the would-be entrant's skin as a biometric identifier. He then needs to use a keycard and enter a code on the keypad. This three-tier security is standard for high-level military installations, McGinnis explains.'"

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Seems excessive (5, Funny)

Skewray (896393) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933269)

Why would I want to physically access my botnet?

Re:Seems excessive (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20933329)

Never mind YOU accessing it, *I* will access it by dropping in through that laser-guarded air conditioning vent in the ceiling, duh.

hmmm (3, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933309)

Would you house a data center in a diamond mine or an old chapel?

Only if I had enough bunk space for my horde of minions, but yes, probably.

Step right this way sir (5, Interesting)

Sentri (910293) | more than 6 years ago | (#20935245)

For the trifling sum of 1.5 million dollars you too can be lairing it up in style...

"The Missile Base consists of 57 acres of real estate. The center secured portion of the property is protected by the original barbed-wire-topped chainlink fence. There is a paved road leading into the property with dual entry gates.

Above ground is the original 40 X 100 shop building, two concrete targeting structures, two manufactured homes, two 8 X 8 X 40 storage containers, and the silo tops of the three missile silos, two antenna silos, one entry portal and a few other misc structures.

Below ground is a huge complex consisting of 16 buildings and thousands of feet of connecting tunnels. The major underground structures are:

Three - 160' Tall Missile Silos
Three - 4 story Equipment Terminal Buildings
Three - Fuel Terminal Buildings
Two - 6 story Antenna Silos
One Air Intake/Filtration Building
One 100' diameter Control Dome Building
One 125' diameter Power Dome Building
One - 6 story Entry Portal Building
and a few other misc buildings and areas."
- http://www.themissilebase.com/ [themissilebase.com]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Titan-Missile-Base-Central-Washington_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ1607QQihZ009QQitemZ190132455924QQrdZ1 [ebay.com]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/10/10 [penny-arcade.com]

If only I had the money and the crazy and the US citizenship necessary :-p

I always wonder. (5, Funny)

ender81b (520454) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933321)

I mean, honestly, is it just me or are all these "exotic" data centers just a way to boost your CIOs ego at gatherings? Is it really necessary to have military security? Do your competitors care that much? Furthermore, would they be willing to risk criminal charges to try and steal a few thousand hard drives full of potentially useless data?

Basements with backup power, secured doors, & a good fire system in my opinion. Then again, I'm not a CIO. Once I become one though, well, I imagine MY data center will have a golf course. And blackjack. And possibly hookers.

that's a futuristic plan. (2, Insightful)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933355)

Once I become one though, well, I imagine MY data center will have a golf course. And blackjack. And possibly hookers.

And don't forget the full stock of Olde Fortran malt liquor.

Re:that's a futuristic plan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934497)

/* include fat blunts and bitches with lighters */

Old bunkers often have good Cooling and Power (5, Interesting)

billstewart (78916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934641)

A friend of mine bought an old missile bunker in the UK to use as a data center back during the late-90s boom. It had redundant power-grid connections, lots of cooling, and raised floors, so it cost a lot less to condition the space for data-center use than if he'd started with a basic warehouse shell like many of his competitors, and it was close enough to London for latency not to be a problem but far enough that the real-estate costs were cheaper.


U.S. geography isn't always that cooperative - most of the missile bunkers were out in not-even-flyover parts of the country like North Dakota and eastern Montana, where there was almost no telecom infrastructure nearby and it was tens of milliseconds away from SF, NYC, or even Chicago.

And Canada has their own problems - even though most of the people live within 50 miles of the US border, the Canadian government has been doing things like offering tax incentives to put call centers in remote areas to deal with unemployment - former fishing ports in Prince Edward Island, etc. - where there's not enough local telecom infrastructure to get high bandwidth connections or diverse routes. Too bad, since they've got a pool of educated people who speak good English and something that passes for French and could use the jobs.

Re:that's a futuristic plan. (1)

cleatsupkeep (1132585) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934893)

And forget the data center!

Re:I always wonder. (5, Funny)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933361)

In fact, forget the datacenter!

If I were a CIO... (4, Funny)

Mahjub Sa'aden (1100387) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933417)

If I were a CIO, I'd turn the moon into a gigantic data centre.

Cold? Check. Solar-power ready? Check. Visible from earth so that everyone can see my giant penis^H^H^H^H^H data-centre? CHECK.

Re:If I were a CIO... (4, Funny)

rcw-work (30090) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933569)

If I were a CIO, I'd turn the moon into a gigantic data centre.

Cold? Check. Solar-power ready? Check. Visible from earth so that everyone can see my giant penis^H^H^H^H^H data-centre? CHECK.

2400-2700ms minimum latency? Check!

Re:If I were a CIO... (5, Funny)

Mahjub Sa'aden (1100387) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933599)

2400-2700ms minimum latency? Check!
Don't go confusing them with technical details!

Re:If I were a CIO... (1)

XeresRazor (142207) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933723)

Simple enough, ground-side cache servers, a couple seconds latency isn't a dealbreaker for most web pages, especially with a datacenter the size and capacity of Dahak^H^H^H^H^H the moon.

Re:If I were a CIO... (1)

Mahjub Sa'aden (1100387) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933841)

If there were, say, an array of data transfer points, combined with an elaborate system of mirrors and caches, it might actually work!

And I clearly need to take a walk to clear my head.

Re:If I were a CIO... (4, Funny)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933713)

So stick it in the Canadian north.

  1. cooling - just open a window
  2. power - lots of dammable rivers
  3. safe - nobody around for miles

Re:If I were a CIO... (4, Funny)

BorgCopyeditor (590345) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933871)

Canada's rivers may have blisteringly cold water, and currents fast and merciless enough to sweep dozens of children to their deaths each year, but that's no reason to call them damnable.

Re:If I were a CIO... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934953)

2. power - lots of dammable rivers

I'm a beaver, and they're my rivers, you insensitive clod!

Hey nay sayers (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934041)

Considering there could be an 'On site' issue with the data center that can only be fixed by you personally.

Screw latency, I'm talking free trip to the moon!

Re:If I were a CIO... (1)

blhack (921171) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934377)

but but but...we need a hot backup in case Johnny CEO's blackberry stops working when some chinese asshole decides to put red bull in his Mr. Fusion and the world implodes.

Re:If I were a CIO... (4, Funny)

ATMD (986401) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933953)

That's no moon...

It's the solar system's biggest porn collection.

Re:If I were a CIO... (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934105)

If I were a CIO, I'd turn the moon into a gigantic data centre.

I think somebody [google.com] might already be planning this,... ;-)

Re:I always wonder. (3, Insightful)

lelitsch (31136) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933605)

Make that 3rd floor with backup power. Flooding [theregister.co.uk] can be a real bitch in a data center.

Re:I always wonder. (1)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933647)

I mean, honestly, is it just me or are all these "exotic" data centers just a way to boost your CIOs ego at gatherings?
You say that like it's a bad thing. Really, is making the CIO feel cool all that much worse than whatever the datacenter is doing anyway? It's probably calculating stock prices, keeping track of financial information, caching web pages, or whatever. It's all just the mental masturbation of modern society anyway. Might as well feel cool doing it, then some concrete good will come of it.

It is a bad thing (4, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934285)

Pseudo-security is a bad thing, because it gets people to let their guard down. When they think that some magical talisman they bought (or in this case a bunker) makes the server super-extra-uber-secure, then the next thing that happens is that they cut the funding for real security.

Think of the dot-com era, really. How many times have you heard companies going "we're secure because we use 128 bit HTTPS! See that padlock icon? It means we're secure!" and then they forgot to check rights in their web site and/or just leave internal files around in the web server's directories or on some public FTP directory? Or leave their web server, some active ftp daemon, and God knows what else run with the default admin password? I can think of a couple which cheerfully left text files with user data and credit card numbers available for everyone. But, hey, they have 128 bit HTTPS, so they're secure.

Or I know of at least one corporation which bought all sorts of expensive appliances to scan all JMS messages and SQL statements for malicious stuff... but then noone actually configured rules for those. They used them effectively as some magical talisman that makes them secure just by being there, no extra work required. And some of them were bogus talismans anyway, pure snake oil that couldn't even have done the job right.

_That_ is the problem. When someone is as disconnected from reality as to think that security means preventing teams of ninjas from physically breaking in, something tells me that they probably didn't have thought much about actual security. And will think even less about it in the future.

Re:I always wonder. (2, Interesting)

Stripe7 (571267) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933667)

Data centers can be in strange locations, before the advent of data centers companies just put their computers anywhere. Two strange locations I know, a closet in the womens bathroom at a company and a closet in the another companies machine shop. One had access issues, the other had massive metal dust issues. One large company for some strange reason put all their printers in their computer room, talk about paper dust issues. One other one I remember was under the companies staircase.

Re:I always wonder. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934173)

Our offsite tape storage is in an old salt mine.

Re:I always wonder. (1)

oborseth (636455) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933777)

Possibly hookers? Come on! You know damn good and well it WILL have hookers.

No need to wonder (1)

KudyardRipling (1063612) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934051)

How long shall we keep falling into the same error time after time thinking that human nature is basically good? The kind of data that appears to need such security is the kind that (1) is produced by the everyday lives of people, (2) of which people have little or no knowledge and/or of which they do not care (to their own peril), and (3) that can (read: will) be used against them for for whatever purposes including but not limited to the political.

Cynicism is merely a secular expression of a non-secular principle.
Economic liberty without political liberty is a mockery of both.

Re:I always wonder. (3, Funny)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934113)

Hey baby...

I got a 65,000-square-foot, five-story data center with a 4.5-ton steel door... IN MY PANTS!

Basically, yes (5, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934167)

Basically, yes, they're there to boost some manager's ego. I haven't even heard of a recent data loss or theft that involved a team of ninjas breaking in and stealing hard drives. The ones I did hear about, offhand, involved stuff like:

- pissed off admin exports the customer database and sells it to a spammer

- a hired rent-a-coder working at home is given an export of the fucking productive database, just so he can work out the report formatting. So he asks for help in a forum and attaches a zip file of said productive database. Just so, you know, others can try their hand at formatting that data too. (And if you think that's a one-off thing, at a recent consulting job I've seen exactly that happen, with the dumbass PHB's blessing. They exported the productive database, installed it on a test machine, then let the external contractor -- not me, but the guy whose neverending mess I was supposed to help fix -- copy it all on his private laptop too. And since he was not supposed to connect an external laptop to the internal network, the PHB cheerfully supplied an USB stick to transfer the data with. Made me cringe. But, hey, he was cheaper than doing it in-house.)

- productive data, complete with customer names and personal data, is copied on some salesman's laptop, because god forbid that you inconvenience the sales guys in the least bit, even by making them log in to a web site. Plus, I'm sure he thinks he's a wizard with Excel and God knows what ad-hoc graphs and reports he might need to generate on the spot from that data. Then said laptop is forgotten on the airport or stolen. (I can remember a dozen or so instances of this in the news without even googling.)

- social engineering and/or lax security standards (As an extreme case, I've actually worked for a dot-com back in the day, who told their 1st level support to give anyone an admin account who calls in and asks for one. It's easier than just creating one for the regional managers -- although I'd debate whether those need one in the first place. Nah, just tell them to phone in and ask for one. Eventually after a year they realized that they have a few thousand admin accounts and nobody knows who those people are.)

- pwned machines on the internal network that haven't been patched since Jurassic. I remember one touching story about IIRC Slammer, where a company got hit hard because they were running with completely unpatched workstations, since apparently installing any service pack broke one of the internal applications they were using. And, of course, they'd rather save money than fix the stupid application.

- pwned machines on the internal network because some dumbass PHB or marketter figured out (or bribed an engineer for the knowledge) how to open a tunnel from inside to his home machine and leave it on, so he can access the company network from home. So when his unprotected, crapware-ladden home machine got pwned, it was connected to the intranet.

- pwned machines on the internal network because just about anyone is allowed to plug their laptop in

The last three are especially nice if everything is one big network zone.

- pwned machines because some dumbass programmer would rather argue that SQL-injection and cross-site-scripting are just hype, instead of fixing his freakin' application. I'm still suprised at the number of people who don't even know how to quote a string for use in a web page or in the database. Or better yet, to use prepared statements and/or some template/framework that handles that kind of thing for you. And, yes, I remember at least one article linked even on Slashdot where the idiot was arguing that cross-site-scripting vulnerabilities are inevitable and harmless.

- pwnage via any of the above methods (including social engineering or dishonest employees) because noone bothered setting productive database passwords more creative than the same as the app name, and/or using more than one account for a whole department. Or indeed for the whole company. It's too much work to actually give each user his own account and password, ya know? Better to have a case where even if you logged that someone exported the whole productive database, you don't know who, because everyone uses the same user and password on that machine.

Etc.

I'd really like to know how their bunker addresses _those_ issues, because, again, that's in practice how data gets lost.

As long as they have admins at all on those machines, those can be disgruntled, dishonest, stupid (and hey, they're cheaper than competent ones) or victims of social engineering. As long as the second level support (or sometimes first level too) has access to the productive database to help with customer problems, the same applies: someone can use social engineering on them. As long as there's some way to connect from outside the bunker to those machines (and, let's face it, a computing centre isn't very useful if it's not connected to anything), it's just as vulnerable as any other server to attacks from at least the intranet. Etc.

But yeah, some PHB will have a status symbol computing centre that he can brag about.

Re:I always wonder. (1)

blhack (921171) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934353)

Well, you know that saying that if full tilt nuclear war breaks out that the intertubes will still function? There is a reason for that...ARMED GUARDS to kill off the zombies and pr0n starved nerds of course!!

IN all honesty though, a freaking suspended glass NOC? Does it really matter whether you can see the server racks or not? //my data center will have an armory, and slides that go everywhere. (yes, those kinds of slides)

Don't forget the... (2, Funny)

cumin (1141433) | more than 6 years ago | (#20935149)

A glass NOC makes you feel like you have extra eyes to protect against somebody being where they shouldn't, but slides are cool stuff manard.

Here is a list of other stuff a _real_ datacenter should have:

  • Firemen's pole
  • Hidden doors and secret passageways (Revolving bookcase is a classic)
  • Disco ball
  • Panels of blinking leds with giant tape spools

Hidey hole (1)

MeditationSensation (1121241) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933343)

"...dug deep into the ground. No one gets in without passing though the 4.5-ton steel door and then a three-step process." Sounds almost secure enough to hide my porn collection.

Re:Hidey hole (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20933709)

Why would you need to hide your porn? .... Is that you Captain Picard?

Hmmmmm (5, Funny)

oborseth (636455) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933351)

"No one gets in without passing though the 4.5-ton steel door and then a three-step process." Sounds like a lot of women I know.

Re:Hmmmmm (4, Funny)

Joebert (946227) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933529)

I've heard the saying Big girls need lovin too, but damn.

Re:Hmmmmm (2, Funny)

s.bots (1099921) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933543)

The three step process:

1. Sex
2. ??????
3. Pregnant!

Re:Hmmmmm (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20935051)

What worries me is the number of incidents involving Jehovah's Witnesses who penetrated the tight multilayer security and left copies of Watchtower inside, on consoles, overnight. BOY they're good.

But no data security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20933377)

And then after all that security, they just let the guy plug some random floppy disk into one of the computers...

Re:But no data security? (4, Funny)

The-Ixian (168184) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933567)

floppy disk huh? I am going to go out on a limb and say that your favorite band is The Spin Doctors.

Must...contain...the EVIL (2, Funny)

insanemime (985459) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933391)

Where else are they going to contain the evil emanating from the server hosting goatse?

Re:Must...contain...the EVIL (1)

zeroharmada (1004484) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934609)

silly man... they just paint goatse on the door... much more secure than any petty locks

Patented by Google (2, Interesting)

KillerCow (213458) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933397)

From TFA:

[caption] DeBeers' data center, in the Arctic Circle, in two retrofitted shipping containers.


So, they are paying Google royalties [slashdot.org] for the technology which Google invented, right?

Re:Patented by Google (0, Offtopic)

Kiffer (206134) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933507)

Why would they pay google? It wasn't google's idea.
From your link: The idea, Cringely explained, wasn't new and wasn't even Google's, backing up his claim with a link to an Internet-Archive-in-a-Shipping-Container presentation (PDF, dated 11-8-2003) that was reportedly pitched to Larry Page.

Re:Patented by Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20933629)

And since Cringley never "gets it", that describes massive SAN-in-a-box. A SAN does not a data center make. And before you reply, the servers in that container were just to support the storage array, not actually serve as a multi-purpose data center. I personally love the idea, and can totally see a business model around massive amounts of temporary storage or compute capacity built into one or more of those PODS boxes. If you can figure out how to keep the box cold outside in a Louisiana summer, you might be onto something.

Re:Patented by Google (1)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934457)

Like this? [sun.com]

Re:Patented by Google (1)

SirSmiley (845591) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934017)

I know for a fact that militaries around the world use sea can's as mobile command posts and comms posts...google just made it commercial...military has been doing it for years

Re:Patented by Google (1)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934255)

Let me see who is going win this contest of patents; Google or Sun? Sun used a bunch of E420 server and A3500FC storage arrays in center of the isle racks. Cisco had Catalyst 6509 switches distributed with patch panels. Liebert had Mini-Mate AC units to cool all of this and 600 series UPS and Precision Power Center that was connected directly to a transfer swtich which was connected to an generator and utility power. We had all of this in a extra shipping container that we had for the W2K in 1999 for the "ultimate" disaster which didn't dome. Did anyone patent this at this time, I don't think so but we at my old company had this running for over a year from 1999 to 2001 and then the project came to an end and all of the servers, storage, switch and all other parts where used for other projects in my workplace and the shipping container was used to emergency supplies for the company.

I once housed a data center... (-1, Troll)

bondjamesbond (99019) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933425)

...in your MOM!

Re:I once housed a data center... (1)

R00BYtheN00BY (1118945) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933539)

**** OWNED **** !!!

..in Strange Places (5, Funny)

thatshortkid (808634) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933459)

What, like the back of a Volkswagen?

Re:..in Strange Places (1)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933511)

No, that is an uncomfortable place

Re:..in Strange Places (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933673)

like the back of a volks wagon?

Re:..in Strange Places (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933819)

ah fuck..thats what i get for not reading

Re:..in Strange Places (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934373)

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a winebago.

I for one... (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933577)

...would most likely yeild to the desire of my newly welcome, diamond encrusted, chapel dwelling overlords, and place their beowulf cluster wherever they see fit.

So (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933589)

You bribe the people who work in the place.
 

Best one I've seen (5, Interesting)

Render_Man (181666) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933623)

The best data center I've seen is an un-named co-lo company in Canada who has their operations on the top floor of a mall in what used to be movie theaters.

The escalators go up to the floor and promptly end at a wall. A one way mirror hides an RFID reader which 'open sesame' style activates the wall to move and let you in.

No signs, or outward indications as to it being there. Lotsa space, redundant everything and all hiding in plain sight. It was pretty cool.

Re:Best one I've seen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20933711)

A one way mirror hides...

A one way mirror! Gads, how novel!

Re:Best one I've seen (1)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933961)

Why does this remind me of the batcave?

oblig (1)

Biff Stu (654099) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933641)

Where-is-my-underwater-data-center?

I would tell you, but then I would have to kill you.

If you negotiate the minefield in the drive (1)

thewils (463314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933645)

and beat the dogs and cheat the cold electronic eyes
and if you make it past the shotgun in the hall
dial the combination open the priesthole...

There's frikken sharks with laser beams!!!

Congrats on the /.'ing Chaz! (0, Offtopic)

t0qer (230538) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933649)

From your good pal toqer :)

Infobunker web site (0, Redundant)

t0qer (230538) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933675)

http://www.infobunker.com/ [infobunker.com] . Ask for Chaz and tell him toqer sent ya.

A Note On The Three Check Security Approach (4, Insightful)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933679)

For those who don't know... there are three essential methods of identifying someone:

1. What you are. (Iris scan, biometric readings, fingerprints, etc.)
2. What you have. (ID card, USB flash drive, random number security key, etc.)
3. What you know. (Password, etc.)

You are going to see a lot more systems use a "two out of three" approach. I actually thought, at one point, that this was going to be a requirement for Vista. I guess not.

The system in TFA requires all three: what you are, what you know, what you have. While requiring three out of three might seem a little nuts, it will seem less nuts in a few years when everyone has to have at least two out of three in order to do basic things like log onto their computer.

Re: Vista 3-step requirements - fixed (0, Flamebait)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933797)

1. What you are. (Iris scan, biometric readings, fingerprints, etc.)
2. What you have. (ID card, USB flash drive, random number security key, etc.)
3. What you know. (Password, etc.)

You are going to see a lot more systems use a "two out of three" approach. I actually thought, at one point, that this was going to be a requirement for Vista. I guess not.

It IS a Vista requirement.

  1. What you are - a sucker;
  2. What you have - more money than brains;
  3. What you "know" - "I need Innernet Exploder to get on teh Web Toobs"

There - fixed it for you.

Re:A Note On The Three Check Security Approach (3, Funny)

weeboo0104 (644849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933873)

1) What is your name?
      "Cowboy Neil"
2) What is your quest?
      "To fix the bricked file server"
3) What is the Emacs key binding for going to the previous line and decreasing the indent?
      "What? I don't know tha.. AARRRRGGGHHHHH!"

Re:A Note On The Three Check Security Approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934083)

While requiring three out of three might seem a little nuts, it will seem less nuts in a few years when everyone has to have at least two out of three in order to do basic things like log onto their computer.
huh? how does more widespread use of two-factor authentication diminish it at all? do you work for Gillette or Schick?

Re:A Note On The Three Check Security Approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934471)

But remember that Vista still allows you to log in as an administrator without a password... and I bet that subsequent Microsoft OS's will continue this trend. So for home users, don't expect 2 out of 3 of these to be met :(

Re:A Note On The Three Check Security Approach (1)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934683)

In most of the three-tiered identification methods I've seen, #2 and #3 provided all the real security and #1 was only able to make any kind of decision if it had #2 and #3 to back it up.
Also, #3 also tells the system who you are unless you have given your password to someone else. If you give it away voluntarily, you are an idiot. If you give it away at gunpoint, then likely they would have found a way to drag your biometrics along with them.

Sealand... (1)

Tmack (593755) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933691)

Is a datacenter/colocation, and its own nation, and an off-shore WW2 fort. It did burn last year, but is still around [sealandgov.org] , and has been looking for investors...

tm

IIS Security (1)

TofuMatt (1105351) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933803)

Forget patches, this is how Microsoft is going to make Windows Server and IIS secure...

one isn't enough (3, Insightful)

wkk2 (808881) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933823)

Disasters come in many forms. Having more than one center is probably more important than extreme security at one site.

The sites should be separated by physical distance and political jurisdictions. Data lost isn't limited to physical problems. It can come in the form of a legal scavenger hunt. Both can put you out of business.

Re:one isn't enough (1)

KudyardRipling (1063612) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934153)

Political jurisdictions mean nothing to the current USA administration. 'Tis something about reserving the right to use nucular weapons including but not limited to bunker busting boom & 'shroomers. The military and the CIA just waltz on in and grab what they want.

It's like a Roach Motel (tm) with a bronze bitch at the entrance.

Sounds like an ex-missile silo. (1)

pigiron (104729) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933843)

It's good to see those old Titan missile silos being put to good use!

Are they allowed to sacrifice in the chapel? (3, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#20933889)

You know. The ritual sacrifice of chickens & goats required to keep the Windows servers operating normally.

 

Re:Are they allowed to sacrifice in the chapel? (1)

Tmack (593755) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934029)

You know. The ritual sacrifice of chickens & goats required to keep the Windows servers operating normally.

Probably have to, to keep all the daemons happy....

tm

And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934053)

Skynet survives the nuclear first strike...

missile silos (2, Insightful)

NoBozo99 (836289) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934081)

I wonder why someone hasn't thought of using a abandon missile silo as a data center.

Re:missile silos (2, Informative)

Tatisimo (1061320) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934159)

God forbid they use an abandon missile silo! Let them use an abandoned missile silo instead!

Re:missile silos (2, Interesting)

dharmadove (1119645) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934675)

I have done quite a bit of research on using them. I had the idea to use it for hot sites, data storage and other DR related. One of the main problems is environmental. Old Titan II silos are FULL of asbestos and other carcinogens (PCB's). There is a very large cost to cleanup, drain, and refurbish the infrastructure. Much more than the purchase price. I found one in eastern Washington near major fiber optic lines, power and transportation that was ideal (with LOTS of work and $$$). If I had a 10-20+ million for purchase / startup (environmental impact studies, engineering studies, etc.) and good investors I might have had a go at it.

Bunkers in military comm sites (2, Informative)

miller60 (554835) | more than 6 years ago | (#20935197)

The InfoBunker, the Iowa site mentioned in TFA, is one of a number of cold war missile and/or communications facilities being used as data centers. The PJM Interconnection, which runs the East Coast power grid, is setting up a data center in a Pennsylvania site [datacenterknowledge.com] once used for White House-to-Kremlin communications during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Bunker [thebunker.net] in the UK is in a former Ministry of Defense command-and-control center. Ask.com is building a major data center in the Titan building in Moses Lake, Washington, a former missile control facility.

H2O? (1)

bbdd (733681) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934137)

"Also on-site are a 16,000-gallon water supply for fire suppression"

not sure i want that in my datacenter...

Above the ceiling (2, Interesting)

maggard (5579) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934265)

File server, print server, dual tape loaders, UPS, all setting on shelves, mounted above the level a suspended ceiling, with a mirrored fail-over setup at the opposite side of the building, also above ceiling-level.

It was a medical office and they were floor-space constrained so 'going up' seemed the logical solution (there was an absurd amount of space up there.) They'd had the electrician in to put outlets up there, the shelves were reinforced and had a lip added so nothing accidentally slid off (there was even a strap with a buckle to make sure nothing ever dropped down.) The hardest part was lifting the hardware up into place.

It was a complete "you've got to be kidding!" scenario when I first saw it, but I had to admit for a crazy location it was a sweet setup and worked great for their needs.

Re:Above the ceiling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934477)

What about cooling?

Re:Above the ceiling (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934599)

Installing computer equipment above the ceiling would be a violation of building codes in many cases, especially if the above ceiling space is used for air return. The national electric code prohibits such installations by banning the use of flexible cords above the ceiling:

400.8(5) Flexible cords shall not be used where concealed by walls, floors or ceilings or located above suspended ceilings.

Generally, the only time receptacles can be installed above a ceiling is the provide the receptacle required for servicing HVAC equipment.

Church of the Poisoned (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934329)

Mind, or "Church of the Poisoned, Mined"

Re-done by Boy George...

In Soviet Russia... (0, Offtopic)

PPH (736903) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934453)

...is even more difficult to get out!

BC Datacenter Move Replaces Linksys Infrastructure (1)

djblair (464047) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934537)

BC's old datacenter was in the A HREF="http://www.bc.edu/offices/its/projects/move2006/photographs/oneill/" O'Neil Library." My favorite pic is the fourth one. I hope that Cisco 6500 isn't routed by the Linksys job sitting on top of it!

BC Datacenter Move Replaces Linksys Infrastructure (1)

djblair (464047) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934557)

Crap. Yea yea, I know I should use the preview... Thanks mom. Can you fix that for me mod?

Re:BC Datacenter Move Replaces Linksys Infrastruct (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 6 years ago | (#20935285)

Security lesson #1. Can you spot the security problem in this high-security datacenter? Sure, it's got a vault door and armed ninjas. But you didn't count on the night janitor sneaking in a wireless router and plugging it into the network.

You call that strange? (1)

UberDork (235964) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934571)

I guess it's not so much strange as silly, but lots of companies seem to want their datacentres in the most expensive real estate the company occupies - apparently so that the C-class employees can watch the flashing lights. I've never been able to understand why, if you can get good connectivity, etc, etc, you would not put your datacentre into low-cost real estate and save a little cash.

this remembers me... (2, Interesting)

medea (38161) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934605)

...of a company which built a datacenter in the late nineties into an old swiss army bunker in the swiss alps. they even made a promotional video with the traditional heidi topic.

you can have a look at it here [hochu.li] . internet-hype at it's finest... :)

the company (mount10) does not exist anymore but the datacenter still does and is beeing actively used by Swiss Fort Knox [swissfortknox.com] ... :)

cryptonomicon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934677)

How about the data haven in Cryptonomicon.

Another one you Missed (1)

scottm52 (544690) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934851)

Cavern Technologies in Lenexa Kansas (Kansas City Metro) is another one. 125ft underground, one level, several MILLION sq ft. Even their GenSets are underground!

And they sell real rooms at cage prices too. Pretty impressive stuff.

http://www.caverntechnologies.com/ [caverntechnologies.com]


"I am not an anonymous coward... I'm more of a courage challenged incogneto kinda guy"

Old At&T Autovon Switching Stations (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20934909)

AT&T Long Lines built a whole lot of these in the 1960's, they are anywhere from 5000 to 100,000 square feet, many of them are buried underground to survive a nuclear strike and they have on-site generators, diesel tanks, water tanks and other infrastructure that was intended to make them self-sufficent in case of all out nuclear war.

These would be great for a data center since they used to serve the old coaxial trunks and microwave links and new fiber lines are built along the same paths as the old system. Also some of them have microwave towers that could be useful as well (I think there was a Slashdot article on these a few years back...)

Why the door? (4, Insightful)

The -e**(i*pi) (1150927) | more than 6 years ago | (#20934935)

wouldn't it be safer to have the 3 step process BEFORE the heavy door? I mean whats the point of the door if just anyone can walk through it to get to the security checkpoint.

Preferred data center (1)

GMThomas (1115405) | more than 6 years ago | (#20935037)

Who needs an expensive complex when my mom's basement works good enough? And if there's ever a problem, I can just swivel my chair around to fix it!

Three months on six-day fuel reserve?!? (1)

GoatRavisher (779902) | more than 6 years ago | (#20935221)

The facility was constructed to keep operating in complete isolation mode -- cut off from the rest of the world and all its amenities -- for three months, according to InfoBunker's Web site.
and

Also on-site are a 16,000-gallon water supply for fire suppression, a six-day fuel reserve and a backup 750 kW generator.
Hmmmm....
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