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Super Smash Bros. Brawl Delayed

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the omgsonic dept.

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Dr. Eggman writes "As feared when it was announced that the Japanese launch was being pushed back to January 24, Nintendo has announced that Super Smash Bros. Brawl has been delayed in North America as well. 1up.com cites the new launch date as February 10th. On the bright side, however, 16-bit era fan's prayers have been answered: Sonic the Hedgehog is officially in the game."

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16-bit era fan's prayers... (4, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941737)

Apparently there's just one fan of the 16-bit era??

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

CRiMSON (3495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941761)

8bit4life!

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

Detaer (562863) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941817)

It also seems as though this one person has their own era.

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942999)

Probably just a /. UID. I hope the poor guy (or girl) logs on while this is still on the games page.

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941981)

Actually, my son was very happy that Sonic is now included. He's a big fan of Sonic.

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (4, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942229)

Actually, my son was very happy that Sonic is now included. He's a big fan of Sonic.
I guess we found out who the 16-bit era fan is, then...

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20942303)

As opposed to the article submitter, who himself goes by the name "Dr. Eggman?" Unless, of course the submitter is the gp's son...

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

Alistar (900738) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942665)

I always got the impression that Dr. Eggman didn't like Sonic very much. Having your attempts at world domination thwarted all the time tends to put a damper on any relationships.

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944305)

I always got the impression that Dr. Eggman didn't like Sonic very much.

Having your attempts at world domination thwarted all the time tends to put a damper on any relationships.
That's true... In fact, every time I've seen those two meet up, they've tried to kill each other. In fact, I've seen Dr. Eggman actually succeed at killing Sonic a number of times...

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (2, Funny)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942445)

Me too. They've got good burgers [sonicdrivein.com] .

Re:16-bit era fan's prayers... (1)

kerohazel (913211) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941987)

Apparently there's just one fan of the 16-bit era??
Not only that, but since "16 bit fan" wasn't preceded by any article - definite or indefinite - we can only assume it's someone's name. And the only thing upsetting about that is that some bastard beat me to it.

Insightful? (1)

nog_lorp (896553) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944809)

Parent = +1 funny. Maybe if it existed, +1 observant or astute, but INSIGHTFUL? What? I would be the most insightful person in the world if correcting grammatical errors was insightful. Seems like everything gets modded insightful nowadays.

It's upsetting (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20941811)

But I'd really rather prefer a late game to a bugged game.

Re:It's upsetting (0, Offtopic)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942027)

You should be grateful you only have to choose one or the other. I live in Europe.

Re:It's upsetting (1)

WidescreenFreak (830043) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942125)

Exactly. It's amazing how many people bitch and moan about delaying a game that they're expecting without giving any consideration as to why that game is going to be delayed. It's just as amazing how many game companies seem to think that delaying a game is like some kind of suicide call. I'd much rather wait for a game to come out and work as it should instead of getting an unplayable product rushed to market just to match a deadline (eg: Ultima: Ascension).

Re:It's upsetting (3, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942259)

It's amazing how many people bitch and moan about delaying a game that they're expecting without giving any consideration as to why that game is going to be delayed
While there's usually a good reason (in the case of Smash Bros. it's going to be really, really good to miss the holiday season), it's always disappointing that the developer wasn't able to more accurately estimate the amount of time the game would require. Yes, i would rather wait longer than I expected for a good game; at the same time, I would have rather had them wait another month before giving a release date and have that release date be accurate.

Re:It's upsetting (3, Insightful)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942647)

Name me a software product that has ever shipped on time. By on time I mean the original planned release date.

Re:It's upsetting (2, Funny)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943101)

Name me a software product that has ever shipped on time. By on time I mean the original planned release date.

Duke Nukem Forever. Release date: "When it's done."

Re:It's upsetting (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943165)

Touche. Jolly good show old chap.

Re:It's upsetting (1)

TriezGamer (861238) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944537)

Except that it hasn't shipped on time, since it hasn't shipped.

Re:It's upsetting (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944375)

More like name me a Nintendo release the shipped on time, or even the 3rd or 4th release date.

Re:It's upsetting (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944515)

Or a Konami, Square-Enix, Blizzard, id, Valve game while you're at it?

Re:It's not upsetting (4, Insightful)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942257)

But I'd really rather prefer a late game to a bugged game.

Not only that, but I wouldn't mind if they spaced out their "tent pole" games through out the year, and not just the 3-4 months at the end. I realize Quarter 4 is when they do most of their business, but games like Smash Bros, Mario, Zelda, Halo, Final Fantasy, MGS... don't need to come out for Christmas to sell. They will sell in the millions no matter when they release, so why not spread them out a little more?

Re:It's not upsetting (1)

daveywest (937112) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945073)

But a holiday release is the difference between 50 million units and 100 million units. Nintendo would have been smarter to put more programmers on this. Here we are a year after release, and they now lack a major holiday product. What's the Japanese word for Opps?

Re:It's not upsetting (1)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945605)

Since when is Super Mario Galaxy not a major holiday product?

Re:It's not upsetting (1)

Bloomy (714535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20946315)

Nintendo isn't afraid to put out "tent pole" games at different times. A front runner for the year's top selling game was released in April (Pokemon Diamond). Lump Diamond and Pearl together, as Nintendo likes to do, and Halo 3 and Madden really have their work cut out for them this year. When Twilight Princess was bumped from the holiday 2005 timeframe, they announced spring of 2006. Then they decided to add Wii functionality, and that pushed it to holiday 2006 for the Wii launch. New Super Mario Bros and Wind Waker were other major titles that had spring releases, Mario Sunshine was an August release, and the next Mario Kart is slated for spring.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if Mario Kart slid to the fall, with Brawl being their spring release. With Metroid and (hopefully) Mario out this year, and Brawl and Mario Kart supposed to be on the horizon, what's their flagship holiday Wii title for next year? Can they have another Zelda ready? They could push Animal Crossing as a top tier franchise, but do they have any other established franchises to build a holiday season around?

Good news (2, Insightful)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941813)

That should give me plenty of time to finish Mass Effect and Revenant Wings before beginning a Wii hunt to play Smash.

Can't care less about Sonic, though. Just hope he's not a broken character, since in Smash speed is paramount (hence space animals and Sheik being top tier).

Re:Good news (2, Informative)

revlayle (964221) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941903)

Check out the video below the character info on that page link to smash bros. site, it show's sonic's moves pretty well, and decently utilized

Re:Good news (2, Informative)

edwdig (47888) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941943)

The supposed character tiers in Smash Bros are a pretty stupid idea. They come from tournament play where matches are limited to 1 vs 1 and the rules are set to eliminate as much randomness as possible. Items get turned off and a large chunk of the stages aren't allowed.

It's basically trying to turn Smash Bros into Street Fighter and isn't at all representative of how the game is normally played.

Re:Good news (3, Funny)

Hitto (913085) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942055)

No items
Fox only
Final Destination

Re:Good news (3, Funny)

carou (88501) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942843)

No items
Fox only
Lame.

Whooosh! (0, Redundant)

Hitto (913085) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943229)

Joke
--->
Carou

Re:Whooosh! (1)

Filip22012005 (852281) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943841)

Joke
---
Hitto

Re:Whooosh! (3, Informative)

Wildfire Darkstar (208356) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943897)

More correctly:

Joke
-->
Hitto

The "No x... y... Lame" bit was a reference to CmdrTaco's "No wirless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." verdict concerning the iPod at the time of its release.

Re:Good news (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943155)

Hehehehe

Well if you're wondering, it's any character, usually 4-stock, no items, and 6 or so stages (Final Destination, Yoshi's Island, Kirby Dreamland 64, Fountain of Dreams, Battlefield, Pokemon Stadium). Sometimes a 10-min timer on top of that but I've never seen it run out. Oh, and best 2 out of 3 unless it's the finals where it's sometimes best of 5.

Re:Good news (1)

Soiden (1029534) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944795)

Actually, I think no one's wondering. No, that's a joke. I don't like the Past Stages very much. And I prefer 5-stock than 4.

Re:Good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20942253)

they're just trying to legitimize it as a fighting game when everyone except rabid SSB fans know that it is not a fighting game. Don't get me wrong I love the game, but its not a fighting game.

Re:Good news (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942713)

It's not one in the traditional sense of KOing an opponent, but if it's not a fighting game, what is it then?

Re:Good news (3, Insightful)

Workaphobia (931620) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942827)

A fun game. It's not based on raw skill and straightforward proper-sequence button mashing. There's some strategy, prediction, knowing your opponent, and moments when all that goes to hell because the other guy got a star, heart, and hammer at the same time. Tournament players don't know what smash is because they're too busy studying how to break it rather than have fun.

Re:Good news (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943215)

Tournament players know what Smash is better than most. They've played the HECK out of Smash using its usual setups, and have simply discovered ways to play the game competitively that your casual players wouldn't have even thought of. They are the most dedicated, die-hard Smash Bros fans you'll ever meet. I can promise you that most of the folks in the Smash tournament scene would be very offended at what you wrote because it's so unbelievably inaccurate. The game *can* be based on raw skill under certain setups; that's how strong Smash's customizeability is! And yes, competition in a level playing field can be load of fun (Starcraft/Halo anyone?), especially after you've had the game since 2001.

Re:Good news (2, Insightful)

Workaphobia (931620) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943963)

> "They've played the HECK out of Smash using its usual setups, and have simply discovered ways to play the game competitively that your casual players wouldn't have even thought of."
True, but they also play the game competitively in ways that are obvious, yet I simply wouldn't do. Mostly this pertains to choice of characters.

> "They are the most dedicated, die-hard Smash Bros fans you'll ever meet."
For certain definitions of what Smash Bros is, yes. For the way I play, and what Smash Bros really means to me, they are the worst group of players.

> "I can promise you that most of the folks in the Smash tournament scene would be very offended at what you wrote "
Of that I have no delusions.

> "because it's so unbelievably inaccurate. The game *can* be based on raw skill under certain setups; "
That's not the point I was making. When I say it's *not* based on that, I mean that any situation under which chance (in the form of items) and asymmetry is not a factor, is not a proper instance of a Smash Bros game. I know you can take the Smash Bros title and play on final destination with sword characters and fox, and get a fairly even game out of that; but that is not Smash Bros.

> "that's how strong Smash's customizeability is!"
Agreed. I just wish there were more tournaments that required you play pichu or ness on the Ice Climber's level, so we could actually see some professional usage of that customizability, rather than finding the absolute minimum variance in options and playing the hell out of it.

> "And yes, competition in a level playing field can be load of fun (Starcraft/Halo anyone?),
I refuse to acknowledge Halo's existence. As for Starcraft, suppose that the races weren't as perfectly balanced as they are: would you condone the removal of all but one race, just to ensure balance via symmetry? Would you get rid of all maps that didn't have exactly the same resources, positioned in a manner that worked with the game engine to make sure that worker units had exactly the same opportunity to harvest them at a particular rate? At what point do you stop and say, "This isn't the game I bought, this isn't why I play it"?

> "especially after you've had the game since 2001."
Check.

Re:Good news (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945051)

Well, if I'm understanding you correctly, you don't like that the tournament scene is as restrictive as it is when it comes to setup. Well, besides the fact that nothing is stopping you from hosting a local tourney yourself with whatever rules you and those likely to attend agree on ^_^, I do want to make the point that tourney rules are so limiting because Smash has SO many stages and options and such. Most games don't have such customizeability to begin with, and so there is no sense of "missing out" on something when they are played competitively.

Starcraft is a wonder of a game as far as balance goes, but it has taken a lot of patching to get to that stage and people played it competitively plenty before that. Smash isn't the most balanced game on the planet (few fighters are, to be honest; nearly every fighter I know of has "tiers" or "power rankings" of some kind), but because under certain setups your skill can really show through and very nearly make up for any imbalance that remains, people use those setups ^_^

It all just reflects a desire many gamers have to "get good" at a game and to be able to test their skill against others. In Smash the tournament rules provide a good way of doing it.

To say that "it's not Smash Bros" isn't really fair. What if you really enjoy playing 3-player Coin Battle with 5-min timer on Poke Floats all the time? Someone would have to be a jerk to tell you "that's not Smash Bros! play stock with all items except Heart Container, Tomato, and Hammer on! THAT's Smash Bros!" To say nothing of the other modes, like Homerun Contest.

I'm not saying playing Smash with MLG rules is the "right" way to play it, but I find it a fun way to play it and I appreciate that the game gives me the chance to enjoy it in that fashion.

I spoke in person to Reggie Fils-Aime, Satoru Iwata, George Harrison, and even Shigeru Miyamoto (though he seemed not quite as interested, heh) about the Smash Bros tournament scene back in 2005 when it was growing and gaining a strong online community and they were at the least intrigued, and certainly understood that there was a strong fanbase for the game that played it "seriously." Nintendo Power had just changed looks then, and shortly thereafter even featured a story about smashboards.com (where most of the tournament community goes to organize get-togethers, discuss strategy, get to know each other, etc.). Speaking of which, Iwata told me back then that he was "trying to make the new Smash a release title for the Revolution," hehe. I guess we all knew it wasn't gonna happen.

Re:Good news (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942871)

It's the most fun with 4 people fighting. The chaos and unpredictability of it all is what really makes it work.

Re:Good news (1)

Alexandra Erenhart (880036) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943805)

I love that, my friends and I used to spend hours, and hours, and hours just playing the game (N64 back then, then the GC version came around) and laughing. 4 players is the best setup.

Re:Good news (1)

edwdig (47888) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942811)

I think you're close on your idea. Except it's the rabid fighting game fans trying to justify why they like SSB. Kinda like the diehard RPG fans calling Zelda an RPG to justify liking it...

Most SSB fans realize there isn't really a good genre to put the game into, although fighting is probably the closest.

Re:Good news (1)

Krakhan (784021) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942909)

I'd say it works more as a hybrid fighting/party game. Of course, it's also not a fighting game in the traditional sense, but definitely one nonetheless. Hence, why I asked the question of how one would classify it.

Re:Good news (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943001)

Well one of the awesome things about Smash is you CAN play it as a "purist fighter" if you want to! The "usual" Smash setup is good fun for a while, but playing the game competitively in the controlled tournament environment is a good way to extend the game's lifespan (SSBM has been around without a sequel for quite some time, after all) because it lets you learn new techniques, strategies, etc. that really just don't have practical applications in the "party" setup of something like 4-player FFA with items on.

It's not rabid fighting game fans trying to justify anything. You've probably never met someone who played much Smash in the tourney scene. Well, I have, and I'm not a rabid fighter fan. Just a gamer who likes all sorts of games and finds ways to enjoy them in as many ways as I care to ^^

Re:Good news (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944893)

Why are 4 player free for alls and tournaments exclusive? One of the more interesting parts, I think, is the strategies that evolve in a 4 player game. It turns out to also be quite suitable for fun play.

Re:Good news (2, Interesting)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943107)


Arguably, it is in its own genre.

Much like Mario Kart isn't really a racing game SSB is not really a fighting game. MK is a Kart game (and there are plenty of others) and SSB is a... lets call it a Brawler. The only difference I can see is that, to the best of my knowledge, there aren't any other games like SSB.

SSB is a fighting game in the same sense that Mario Strikers is a soccer game.

King of the Hill (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943117)

Literally. I've always called SSB the ultimate king of the hill experience. It's a fighter, true and proper. I think the definition of fighter is getting blurred by buttons and combo systems. Any game where the point is to beat up one other guy with your fists, and everyone shares the same camera, is going to be a fighter.

Re:Good news (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943095)

Smash lends itself surprisingly well to tournament play. You'd be surprised. "Tiers" notwithstanding, skill (technical and mind-games) goes a VERY long way, and the usual tourney setup is very good fun. There's nothing bad about fighting games, after all, and Smash under certain settings becomes a very good one. It's a testament to the game's great customizeability. If I want to play a 4-player free-for-all match where I am having fun with people who've never even touched a GCN controller before, I can. If I want to play an intense 1v1 (or, far more fun IMO, 2v2) match against some highly skilled folks, I can do that as well ^_^

Also, the "tournament setup" is VERY representative of how the game is played by a lot more people than you'd think. Just check out smashboards.com or something and that should give you some idea. The game is even hosted by MLGPro along with Halo for some good prizes, so it's a very legit competitive game.

Re:Good news (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943775)

I hate it when people demand to play like that. I have friends who like to play no items, on Final Destination, and I refuse to play smash bros with them for the most part. The items, and the random crazy shit that happens, are what makes the game fun! Cut that out, and you cut the soul of the game out. Not to mention that Final Destination is entirely too trippy for my eyes.

I doubt he'll be broken (1)

metroid composite (710698) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945135)

I saw an analysis not too long ago that compared his displayed moves to that of some Pikachu/Luigi amalgam (both of which are low tier). He has short limbs, hell his arms are shorter than Pichu (who is bottom tier despite being very fast). He has no projectile that we've seen. Furthermore, Sonic is known for running speed, not necessarily attack speed or attack lag, both of which are more important when it comes to tiers. What really matters, though, is priority. Both Shiek and Fox have very high priority. For that matter, Jigglypuff manages to be decently high on the tier list based on priority and basically nothing else. Unfortunately it's very hard to gauge priority by watching a trailer.

Missing the Holidays (4, Interesting)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941969)

I can't believe they're allowing that game to slip past the holiday season. I'm sure the Wii will still sell out, but that's a major title that a lot of people were expecting. I wonder whether this was caused by development issues or to boost their sales numbers in the retail slump between Christmas & Easter. On a side note the article lists a 2/10 US release date (only mentioning it since it's not in the summary).

Re:Missing the Holidays (3, Insightful)

Javi0084 (926402) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942031)

Nintendo has Mario Galaxy for Christmas, that will probably sell out too.

Re:Missing the Holidays (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20942045)

you sure about that?

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

John Courtland (585609) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942149)

I'd rather it work right than be released before Christmas.

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942489)

Not a big deal. They have Mario Galaxy in mid/late-November and that should keep people pretty happy for a while. Right now the only big title for the start of the new year is Mario Kart Wii, so this new release date will give them some extra momentum for the 1st quarter.

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942675)


like you need more momentum than what Kart brings.

I don't have any hard numbers but it sure looks to me like the Kart franchise is the biggest one Nintendo has.

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944917)

I don't have any hard numbers but it sure looks to me like the Kart franchise is the biggest one Nintendo has.
No, Smash is. At least it was the best seller on the Gamecube, followed by Mario Sunshine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games [wikipedia.org]

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

Altus (1034) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945469)


well I was thinking about it more in terms of the whole line of MK games. In each generation the Mario kart games are top performers. Clearly SSB is right up there too though. Honestly it might be better for Wii sales to have them spread out a bit release date wise. Both of these games (as well as Mario Galaxy) are going to put a pretty big strain on the supply of Wii's.

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

Bloomy (714535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945499)

No, Pokemon currently is.

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

aztektum (170569) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944265)

Hitting a release date over the holidays means squat to me personally. I don't have time to sit and play the 15 games I would like all within one month anyway, especially over the holiday season. That only works out for the kids who are off from school. I'd rather they not release a turd and get it out "when it's done." So even if they are doing it to boost "after holidays sales", I say who cares.

On a side note, the summary did mention the release date...

1up.com cites the new launch date as February 10th.

Re:Missing the Holidays (1)

Soiden (1029534) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944861)

I think that they actually are doing this to not destroy Galaxy's release. Less than a month after Galaxy, is Brawl, and they need to give Galaxy more time to sell well. Consider Mario Kart Wii, it will be released in April, 2 months after Brawl. I'm guessing they'll delay that one too, but not too much, to give Brawl some time to sell.

Why "The Pokemon Trainer" (2, Interesting)

kisrael (134664) | more than 6 years ago | (#20941977)

Why is it "The Pokemon Trainer" and not "Ash"?

Re:Why "The Pokemon Trainer" (1)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942057)

Because that's the character's name [smashbros.com] . Yes, it does look like Ash [wikipedia.org] , but they're not saying that it is.

Re:Why "The Pokemon Trainer" (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942433)

Right, but why?

It smacks of an odd rights and character ownership issue, or maybe even Voice Acting...

Re:Why "The Pokemon Trainer" (3, Informative)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942329)

Ash was the name for the character in the anime. The default name for the character in the game is whatever color Pokemon cartridge you have.

I don't know about you but choosing "Red" as my character sure sounds like a winner ;)

Re:Why "The Pokemon Trainer" (2, Informative)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942471)

Because that's the Male character from Pokemon Fire Red and Satoshi/Ash does not look like that? Pokemon If anything that is "Fire red" as the Pokemon naming system goes from the comics.

Sonic - not a rumor this time! (3, Interesting)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942007)

In case you missed out on the press [wikipedia.org] , Sonic was rumored for inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Melee [wikipedia.org] (released for the Gamecube back in 2001-2002). Here [detstar.com] is a quick rundown, with requisite pretty pictures.

Actually, the intriguing bit is whether or not it will be possible to have Sonic go Supersonic [wikipedia.org] , a common theme in most Sonic games. To start the rumor mill going: the official Sonic-in-Smash-Bros. trailer ends with a quick glimpse at him in Supersonic mode....

Re:Sonic - not a rumor this time! (1)

DelitaTheFridge (912659) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942161)

If you look closer, you can see that there are 14 emeralds, not 7, and 7 of them are bigger than the other 7. This indicates that he is indeed going Hypersonic, not just Supersonic.

Re:Sonic - not a rumor this time! (3, Informative)

the dark hero (971268) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942209)

Rumor mill? Psh. I'll bet my wii that its gonna be a final smash [smashbros.com] .

Re:Sonic - not a rumor this time! (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942321)

It's pretty much a given since some other characters get transformations as their final smashes.

Re:Sonic - not a rumor this time! (1)

Kilraven (1101873) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942407)

Does this mean Sonic finally gets to beat Mario in something? Since sales are out of the question.

Re:Sonic - not a rumor this time! (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942579)

oooo sick burn!

Re:Sonic - not a rumor this time! (1)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942651)

Otherwise, we'll have to wait for The Olympics [wikipedia.org] ....

Probably his final smash (1)

Asmor (775910) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942685)

Every character gets a final smash-- basically a super move. For example, Bowser turns into a giant Bowser, and Samus does some crazy charged shot and then her armor falls off.

My guess is that Supersonic is Sonic's final smash

Success? (4, Funny)

Fex303 (557896) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942087)

From the article:

The delay "in no way affects the success of the Wii," said George Harrison, Nintendo's Senior VP of Marketing and Corporate Communication.
It doesn't affect the success of the Wii as a paperweight, no. But I was actually hoping to play some fucking games on mine.

Also, I can't help but notice that the old release date announcement has been quietly taken off the official Smash Bros site [smashbros.com] .

Re:Success? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942157)

It doesn't affect the success of the Wii as a paperweight, no. But I was actually hoping to play some fucking games on mine.

Beat Metroid Prime 3 yet? If not, the game's extremely good and well worth buying.

Re:Success? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942199)

Hey we still have Mario Galaxy this year, along with...umm...yea.

Re:Success? (4, Funny)

pokerdad (1124121) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942875)

Also, I can't help but notice that the old release date announcement has been quietly taken off the official Smash Bros site.

Yeah I hate it when inaccurate information is taken off of websites to prevent confusion.

Re:Success? (1)

Fex303 (557896) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944693)

Yeah I hate it when inaccurate information is taken off of websites to prevent confusion.
My point was there was no announcement that the date had changed, they simply took away the announcement. It would have been nice for there to some sort of acknowledgment that they've had to change the date.

Not quite a paperweight... (1)

SuperMonkeyCube (982998) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943055)

Did you play Resident Evil 4:Wii Edition? Lots of replay value there. I'm still playing Mercs from the GC version!

I'm sure someone else mentioned Metroid 3. How about the upcoming Soul Calibur Legends? Umbrella Chronicles? If you're upset that none of the things I mentioned are fighting games, how about Bleach, the next Guilty Gear game, or Samurai Showdown Anthology?

Personally, I think that if Capcom had kept going with Power Stone, they could have made it a success on the Gamecube - but I understand that few games have the raw Licensed Character quality that SSB has. Maybe you need something more off the wall?

Onechanbara's what you really want, isn't it?

Hey, I tried.

Re:Not quite a paperweight... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945591)

Onechanbara's what you really want, isn't it?

Personally I'd rather see Earth Defense Force.

Re:Success? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20943519)

I'm still waiting for someone to blame this on Sony/rootkits/Blu-Ray...

Re:Success? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20944519)

I'm still waiting for someone to blame this on Sony/rootkits/Blu-Ray.


Nah, its all Epic's fault for focusing on Gears of War.

It's no surprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20942155)

I bet 90% of the people expecting this game saw this coming, so it's no big surprise. And about Sonic, I'm sure that only 16bit fans expect it; I mean, I don't think current Sonic games have even one fan >.>'

Network Play polish (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942275)

If they use the extra time to polish up and make the Network Play as solid as possible, then the delay is more than worth it. If they decide at the end that they just can't make it work, or use some pathetic matching system like buddy codes it'll be a huge blow to anyone who believed the Wii was a legitimate online multiplayer platform.

Re:Network Play polish (1)

arcmay (253138) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943105)

Agreed. If they add voice chat and some kind of persistent leaderboard for online play, nobody is going to complain about waiting until February. Nobody.

Re:Network Play polish (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#20945631)

Not happening. Nintendo still has the "for kids" image so they are afraid of doing something that could make the "think of the children" crowd turn against them.

Re:Network Play polish (1)

justinmikehunt (872382) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943717)

Well as it is now, in order to keep stats and whatnot when playing, you have to have exchanged friend codes with whom you're playing... You can play against random people, but never see their name, can't talk to them, and no stats are tracked. So for all you know, it may still be the computer ;-) Ign for more info [ign.com]

after all these years (1)

kickinit (693705) | more than 6 years ago | (#20942439)

waaaaah omgSonicVsMario,, in an official game. sorry, words are failing me. this is momentous

WTF?? (1)

mcmire (1152897) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943069)

ZOMG, being able to play Sonic will be so awesome! Will they add Tails too???!1

Noooooo.... (1)

Workaphobia (931620) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943435)

So who hear joined me in screaming out a nice, James Earl Jones cry upon reading the subject title?

Still, as has been echoed above, I'd rather an awesome game than an early game. ...
Ok, somehow I hit the lameness filter for too much repetition. Somebody's gotta tell Taco or whoever else is in charge of that, that English is 75% redundant. Maybe I should just post an ascii representation of the gzipped contents of my post. Hm.. is my post long enough yet? Apparently so.

We'll all still buy it anyway (1)

Chardish (529780) | more than 6 years ago | (#20943615)

It's a bit upsetting that Nintendo feels that they can do this just because every single person who owns a Wii and liked the first & second games is a guaranteed sell, anyway. This isn't quality control - it's cost-cutting. Nintendo should have had more developers on this project from day 1 if this was the case.

Re:We'll all still buy it anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20944039)

You're completely right. No other game company has ever delayed a game, and certainly there couldn't have been unexpected problems during the game's production. Nintendo is just screwing with you for fun.

Re:We'll all still buy it anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20944703)

First of all, I'm going to guess that you don't know anything about game development or software engineering. Sometimes problems happen, projects are never delivered on time, and assigning more developers to a project frequently only makes it go more slowly. Ever heard the phrase "too many cooks in the kitchen"?

Second, you're wrong about every person who owns a Wii and liked the first two games being guaranteed to buy this. You can cut out the "owns a Wii" part, because the people who liked the first two games and don't have a Wii are going to buy one in order to play this game.

Why are they happy NOW? (1)

nog_lorp (896553) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944855)

Don't see why the addition of Sonic would mark "making fans of 16-bit games happy". If I remember correctly, a majority of the characters in SSBM were from games that started in the 16-bit era. Zelda, all the Mario characters, the Ice Climbers, etc. Most are OLDER than Sonic.

Re:Why are they happy NOW? (1)

Pancake Bandit (987571) | more than 6 years ago | (#20946133)

The ones you refer to are 8-bit, not 16-bit.

And when I was younger, everyone was either a Nintendo fan or a Sega fan. We clashed so much that we would have loved a game where you could pit Sonic against Mario.

Does It Really Matter? (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#20944925)

If it's delayed, it's delayed. Melee was extremely polished and it looks as if Brawl will surpass it in every conceivable way. Heck, I still play Melee semi-frequently. The Wii is selling well, they can afford to delay Brawl for a few extra months to perfect it. Besides, finally knowing that Sonic is official more than makes up for it. Though honestly, how surprising was the addition of Sonic? Brawl has had Solid Snake as a third-party character since day one, and with the Mario/Sonic Olympics game coming, it was inevitable that we'd see one of the most requested characters announced. His fighting style looks to be great as well!
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