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OS X Leopard Ships On October 26th

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the big-cat-in-my-laptop dept.

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David in AZ writes "According to the Apple website, Mac OS X Leopard will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Mac OS X Leopard goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, Apple announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Apple's online store. "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129.""

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The student edition is now $47 more (5, Informative)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994899)

It used to be that for software anyway, the student discounts represented a significant savings, which was great for poor college students. But starting with iWork and iLife it seems that the student discount is only about 10%. So whereas Tiger cost $69 for the edu version, Leopard costs $116.....

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20994999)

If you're a poor student consider opting for the "Bittorrent Edition" instead.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (0, Troll)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995077)

Gee... I already have most of those cool new features, and ever time my OS ships "The greatest upgrade ever", it costs me nothing... man, I love linux, and Ubuntu/Debian in particular.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (5, Insightful)

Crizp (216129) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995265)

If that works for you; fine. Some of us, though, have grown tired of fucking around with flaky wireless drivers, bad 3D support for new gfx cards etc. But we still like to be able to go to the core via the command line when necessary. We just usually like to get work done.

So get over yourself, it obviously isn't for you. And before the "Linux noob" comments come; my servers are Slackware and have been since at least ten years ago.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995507)

What do you care about 3D support, other than to move your desktop windows around? You can't play any games on that shitbox of yours...

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995387)

I already have most of those features

Oh really? Please tell me what feature of Linux comes even close to Time Machine? No rush...I'll wait.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (2, Funny)

RockoTDF (1042780) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995427)

rsync.

In all fairness, I love both Linux and OS X.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (1)

jaxtherat (1165473) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995501)

it's a pity that anyone wishing to build their own Mac has to opt for the "Bittorrent Edition" as well... :(

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (0)

mc moss (1163007) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995003)

Those education discounts were very helpful and were the reason why I bought some apple products. However, they discounts are becoming smaller and smaller throughout the years. My guess is that shareholders are probably complaining about the steep discounts that apple offered as it became more prominent.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (0, Redundant)

sribe (304414) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995233)

Hey somebody, please mod this up! Parent post is not true! Anybody can go to Apple's web site right now, navigate to the education store, pick their (or any random) school, and verify that the education price is $69. I hesitate to accuse someone of deliberately lying, but I do wonder, because an essentially identical post was made about Tiger the day it was announced, and of course turned out to be false.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (2, Informative)

mc moss (1163007) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995367)

Unfortunately, it is true. I just went to the education site and the pricing is as follows for Leopard: single user - $116.00, family pack - $ 199.00

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (3, Informative)

spud603 (832173) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995385)

I just did what you recommended and I get:
Single User $116.00
Maybe it depends on the school?

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995407)

I just went to the Apple Education Store, looked at Leopard, and it is indeed showing up at the higher price of $116.00 for me.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995411)

Uh, I just looked at the Apple Store Online (Education), and it's $116 there. So...mod parent down. Yay.

Lies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995461)

The two school stores I checked listed it at $116, which is also the same price as the standard Apple education store. Perhaps it is still $69 somewhere... who knows. In any case, Apple education discounts are not nearly as good an they once were. Oh well, instead of receiving $69 of my money, those greedy bastards can have $0 instead.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (5, Informative)

VCAGuy (660954) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995273)

I think it still is, though it appears that Apple has reduced the places where you can get those steep discounts at...their online "Education" store pricing is higher than it used to be, but since they don't bother with compliance checking, I think I can understand why. I attend UCF, and a quick check of our computer store's ordering page shows that Tiger (M9639Z) is $69, and that Leopard (MB021Z) will also be $69. iWork '08 cost me just $39...a quick check of a another Florida university's computer store showed the same pricing.

Cracked Release for ordinary PCS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995285)

The real question is when will Semthex and other kernal hackers break it and port if for ordinary PCS?. My guess is about two weeks.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (3, Funny)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995369)

I've never really understood the student discount thing. If they can afford to sell things significantly cheaper than full retail, why not just apply it across the board?

I just can't separate that from price discrimination against those not in school.

Ooh, wait.
1) Create fake school.
2) ???
3) PROFIT

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (2, Interesting)

Helios1182 (629010) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995459)

Price discrimination is how the economy works. You try and get as many people as much as possible, then get those that didn't buy it at the original price to buy it for less, so on and so forth. That is why they release a $29 hardcover book, then a $15 paper back, and then a $10 reprint.

Re:The student edition is now $47 more (1)

necro81 (917438) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995437)

For what it's worth, if you know some people who could go in on it with you, there's the 5-license family pack for $199, or only $40/person. There's just one copy of the media, but there's nothing stopping you from duplicating it so you each have a copy.

This is true of the single-license, too. There isn't anything like license validation, activation, or genuine advantage in OS X, so I guess there isn't anything preventing you from pirating the hell out of one single licensed copy; the extra price you pay in the family pack is for piece of mind (if you have an objection to outright piracy), and four extra "proof of purchase" coupons (whatever that's worth).

Yawn (0, Flamebait)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994903)

I will keep the Gutsy Gibbon on my Mac Mini. Thanks anyway.

Re:Yawn (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995027)

God, shut the fuck up. you're a tool.

Re:Yawn (0, Troll)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995103)

Yes, I use the best "tool" for the job.

OS X sucks, the hardware is great though.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995175)

No, you're confused. The software is great, which is the only reason people are willing to drop money on their shitty overpriced Dells.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995089)

Is that on a G4 or an Intel mini?

Re:Yawn (1)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995139)

A G4 (unfortunately). I have to use Gnash instead of Flash (Gnash isn't complete yet) - however I can boot OS X whilst running Linux using MOL (Mac On Linux).

Re:Yawn (1)

PenguSven (988769) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995315)

wow, so despite the previous poster saying that linux has "most of the features" of leopard, it seems FLASH PLAYBACK isnt one of them. yeah you linux geeks are way up there with tech!

Re:Yawn (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995519)

Linux doesn't have flash playback on a G4, no. Linux systems running Intel or AMD have had it for some time now, though. Troll.

Macbooks (2, Interesting)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994927)

Does this mean that Macs sold after this date come with Leopard pre-installed as well?

Re:Macbooks (3, Informative)

BZWingZero (1119881) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994937)

Very likely. Its also likely if you just (within a week or two ago) purchased your mac you might be able to get the new version free of charge. I know this happened with my parents computer and Panther awhile back.

Re:Macbooks (4, Informative)

8127972 (73495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994961)

Not likely, but you have the ability to get Leopard cheaply if you buy a Mac after October 1st.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ [apple.com]

I'll get my new kitty that day. (1)

The_Isle_of_Mark (713212) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994929)

Finally a built-in multi-desktop. Oh and decent delta backup built-in as well.

The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1, Insightful)

8127972 (73495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994931)

"And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129."

Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois? Or does he secretly aspire to be Ballmer? Don't get me wrong, I have a Mac and I don't like M$ as much as the next /.'er, but the bashing of M$ and Vista is starting to get old.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (4, Insightful)

CommandNotFound (571326) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994973)

I wouldn't exactly call this 'bashing'. More of a jab. With six version of Vista, MSFT pretty much walked into that punchline.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994977)

Apple has always been a very agressive company (which has its good and bad points), and this is pretty much a continuation of the norm for Steve.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (0, Flamebait)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995001)

Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995021)

Three words: Reality Distortion Field.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (5, Informative)

Jaxoreth (208176) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995111)

Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?
Because it's a major upgrade, not a point release.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995149)

Ten point four to ten point five? Or is this actually OS XI?

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995195)

We already did that joke [slashdot.org] .

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (5, Informative)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995213)

In order to maintain the longevity of the OS X name, full milestone upgrades of OS X are called point releases. People lambaste OS X for that numbering convention, as if OS X milestone releases are not as significant just because Apple isn't moving the first digit of the version number with each release. It's a really stupid critique, FWIW.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995261)

Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?
This isn't a simple point release. OS X 10.5 is really more like OS 15. They want to keep the OS X naming convention for as long as they can. That gives them another 5-8 years at the current pace of a release every 1.5-2 years. Their actual point releases are more like 10.Y.Z, where Y is the new version and Z is the point release.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (2, Funny)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995015)

Agreed. Especially when you're releasing OSX SP6.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995279)

'Service Pack' is the worst marketing of a version release ever. MS would have been much better off if they had used a version number and had added new features each time in addition to fixing bugs, which if they did add features in the SPs it was buried cause I only ever got the impression that they were roll-up bug fix updates.

BTW Apple actually does release SPs.... they just call them Security updates and point-point releases... ie: 10.4.11 is just around the corner for those who are not going to buy 10.5

Nope (1)

simong (32944) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995313)

OS X version 6. The differences between 10.0 and 10.5 are enormous, especially internally, pretty much in the same way that BSD and Linux have evolved over the past seven years.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

Negatyfus (602326) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995069)

What gets even older is the spelling of MS with a dollar sign. Stop it. It makes you look stupid.

List Moms....pfftt... (2, Insightful)

djupedal (584558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995143)

What gets even older than that is the spelling of Microsoft as MS. Stop. It makes you appear laughable.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995191)

m$FUCKOFFm$YOUFUCKINGCUNT!

You must be new... (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995075)

"Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity?

C o m p e t i t i o n - the American way.

Reminding your core customers why your product is better than the crap sold by the other guys is not new.

Maybe you'd prefer no advertising at all - wouldn't we all...talk to MS about that idea and let us know when they stop laughing.

Re:You must be new... (1)

rtyhurst (460717) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995241)

Well, there's that.

But also, to put it as simply as possible OS X works; VISTA is a bloated buggy nightmare.

Seeing as how Apple has around 6 percent of the market and climbing

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/06/10/18/apples_share_of_us_pc_market_jumps_to_61_percent.html/ [appleinsider.com]

they might want to keep pointing that out.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

Rufty (37223) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995097)

'Coz "M$ & Vista" copied a *load* of OSX features, but badly. (Expose, Dashboard, Spotlight, .MAC ...)
What he should do is just copy back (ZIP folders...

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (0, Offtopic)

eshefer (12336) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995127)

to quote BillG at the joint interview at all things digital this year: "steve is well known for his restraint".

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995157)

Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity?
Being mainly a linux user I don't understand your reference (something about "ultimate"?) - however, I do think the artificial limitations on most versions of Windows are very annoying. Somebody at Microsoft actually went to extra effort to restrict you to only 5 network connections. Or the fact that only one remote user can log in at once. It's just very, very Lame.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (3, Insightful)

value_added (719364) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995171)

Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois?

Because it's an easy and slow moving target?

I don't recall how many versions of Vista exist, and have given up trying to keep track of what is wrong generally with Vista, but if late night talk show hosts were more technically inclined, I'd wager there would be as a steady stream of jokes about Vista, at least as many as there are about embarassing celebrity goofups and blunders of the day.

So laugh. It's funny. Hell, I don't even own a Mac, and I'm laughing. But I doubt I'm alone in saying that I am paying close attention in anticipation of my next computer purchase.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995299)

but if late night talk show hosts were more technically inclined

No, wouldn't matter. The audience isn't; that limits the material.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (3, Interesting)

stuntpope (19736) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995317)

It's just competition, doesn't annoy me. Fairly standard practice for a company to say, "unlike the competition, our product does this", especially when you are not the market leader. Market leaders are assumed to be the best, so competitors have to knock them down a notch and challenge the assumptions. Look at Ford's recent ads. Guy pulls up at night next to a competing product, and starts going over all the ways the Ford is better than the other car. Mazda has an ad where a Toyota owner is ridiculed for going the "normal" route of buying a Corolla, instead of the "more feature-full" Mazda. Hey, I managed to get a car analogy in here!

And "The Steve's" point is spot-on. With Apple, you don't have to decide between levels of product like you do with Windows. Home Basic? Home Premium? Ultimate? Apple is saying they designed an OS with lots of new features, and you get all those features if you buy the product. Simple as that.

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995425)

This is one of the more reasonable jabs he's made IMO.

However, the interesting thing is: How many OS X releases between XP and Vista? How much would you spend total on all of those vs. Vista Ultimate?

Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... (1)

Dr. Smoove (1099425) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995481)

It's called "Marketing," and every business does it.

Not everybody gets it at $129 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20994971)

Everybody is misleading. OSX cannot be installed on any generic computer like the slapped together zombie that is Windows.

Re:Not everybody gets it at $129 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#20995113)

Amen. Microsoft at least has the decency to let you choose what kind of PC you put your license onto.

Re:Not everybody gets it at $129 (1)

Falladir (1026636) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995183)

For purposes of that claim, people without Apple hardware aren't really people. It's part of the old-school Apple mindset.

Let's see (5, Insightful)

Centurix (249778) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994975)

"According to the Microsoft website, Windows Vista will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Windows Vista goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Microsoft's retail stores and Microsoft Authorized Resellers, Microsoft announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Microsoft's online store. "Vista, the nth major release of Window, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Bill Gates, Microsoft's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $600.""


hmmm...

Re:Let's see (1)

Stewie241 (1035724) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995389)

Hmmm... Has the US dollar gone THAT low? Here, you can get the top version of Vista upgrade for $300. The home basic or whatever it is is $120. In addition, I believe that most major retailers selling computers with Windows bundled on it offered free upgrades to Vista if you purchased your computer three months before Vista was released (might have been more). Apple is cutting the cheap upgrade period at less than four weeks, and is charging its users to upgrade. Oh well... I don't use either, so doesn't matter to me.

Interesting (5, Interesting)

Thyamine (531612) | more than 6 years ago | (#20994991)

I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it.

I'm trying to avoid the whole fanboy thing, but it's hard to not like it. I mean, the pricing of the hardware is certainly high, but once you dive it it's quite nice.

Re:Interesting (5, Funny)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995059)

Wait until you ditch OS X and install Linux... you will need tissues and moisturiser.

Re:Interesting (2, Insightful)

abigor (540274) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995349)

Why would he want to purposely cause himself pain? I use Linux every single day, but my main desktop is a Macbook, for very good reasons.

Re:Interesting (1)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995405)

There are two basic rules to using linux. DON'T PANIC. Always carry a towel.

Re:Interesting (0)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995443)

Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it.
Don't Macs still come with three OS upgrade coupons?

problem is... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995029)

I still dont see a reason to go there. But then I also still use an incredibly outdated G5 2.3Ghz Dualcore Power mac.

The premium price I will have to pay, I usually use the wife's student ID to get it cheap but not anymore with the latest raft of Apple pricing, makes me yawn and let it slide past.

Is there anything that really is important in it that is a must have or is it all eye candy like apples website makes it look like?

Re:problem is... (4, Informative)

spud603 (832173) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995151)

There's a lot that was done on the base level that will improve general usability. Finder is fixed (we hope). It's UNIX compliant now. Better use of 64-bit and multi-core processors.
Also, some of the "eye candy" will be very useful: easy backup and multiple desktops built in (I've been using a 3rd-party solution [berlios.de] for this for a while now that works remarkably well, but has a number of glitches).
I'm not beating down the door for 10.5, but I am looking forward to some of its conveniences.

Re:problem is... (4, Informative)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995341)

Finder *is* definitely much improved. On a lower end system, its much faster and has enough features and speed increase it makes using Path Finder negligible.

Re:problem is... (1)

Jaxoreth (208176) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995383)

But then I also still use an incredibly outdated G5 2.3Ghz Dualcore Power mac.
So you're paying the Mach-on-PowerPC performance tax. Consider moving to Intel and/or running Linux on the G5.

The premium price I will have to pay,
Yes, if the upgrade you want.

Best upgrade? (5, Insightful)

p00n0s (1117823) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995045)

"Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs
Well they wouldn't get far claiming it to be worst upgrade they've ever released...

Re:Best upgrade? (2, Insightful)

Bazman (4849) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995303)

Or even the second-best upgrade they ever released. Marketing eh, dontcha love it?

looking forward to it (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995065)

I'm looking forward to the release, but I don't think I'll buy it until the first patches come out. A lot of press said Panther and Tiger were pretty solid, but I found a lot of little "quirks" and bugs that needed squishing after the public release. It's also inevitable that I'll have to work around some new "feature" in some of my photography scripts because something tiny changed. And then there's the impact to various macports which I'll have to wait for patches (or learn enough of the codebase to hack a fix).

Re:looking forward to it (1)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995483)

For me, the most exciting thing is the multiple desktops. I have for a long time been needing this functionality. Expose is nice, but when you have 20 windows open everything gets so small that it can get annoying. Seeing as my MacBookPro only supports 2G of ram, though, which as never been a problem with Tiger even when Fusion is running, but I hope that Leopard is equally kind on ram...

Yes, but... (1)

Liquid Len (739188) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995079)

will it run on the old G4's ?

Re:Yes, but... (1)

Library Spoff (582122) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995163)

It will.

But will it run patched on my Athlon 64x2? *ahem*

Re:Yes, but... (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995243)

Of course it will. After all, Apple told you for years that their machines were so expensive because PPC was infinitely superior to x86.

Damn, "Time Machine" sounds cool... (5, Interesting)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995129)

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html [apple.com]

Automatically hourly incremental backups to an external disk, with everything done readable in the filesystem as simlinks so you can look at arbitrarily hour-snapshots for the past day, day snapshots for the past month, and weekly snapshots thereafter.

COOL!

300+ features... (4, Informative)

Techguy666 (759128) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995137)

Here's a list of all the new features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html [apple.com]

I'm praying that it's not just more bloat like Vista. It seems like Leopard is good on paper, better Boot Camp for those who still need Windows; better iCal for the people who use their Macs for organizing their life; Instruments, Core Animation, Unix certification, built-in Sandboxing for programmers; and other doodads for Joe-user such as a cooler Photobooth... But then, do I need my address book to make calls to Google Maps or the OS-wide dictionary to reach out to Wikipedia? Those last two are cool but I get worried when my "OS experience" is tied in anyway to whether I have network or Internet access.

Re:300+ features... (1)

k3v1n (262210) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995337)

I agree. Apple (or anyone for that matter) can go a lot further by embracing the developer community and enabling them to create whiz-bang features that maybe not everyone wants.

Re:300+ features... (0, Flamebait)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995339)

I call rubbish. Look under Boot Camp. They are counting Leopard's ability to read and write FAT 32 as a new feature. For all I know, it's probably been there since 10.0, maybe in previous versions of Mac OS.

Hype train leaves the station (0, Flamebait)

Hoplite3 (671379) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995147)

All aboard the hype-train! Next stop, RDF station.

That's certainly too cruel. Apple always makes some nice advances to their system and especially their system libraries. There are some nice things they're talking about with the new version, but I think the greatest trick is to get $100+ from mac fans every two years or so. The short cycle seems a bit exhausting.

Dear Microsoft (1, Funny)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995155)

I found this product release that you may find interesting. Curiously it seems to be the anti-thesis of your recent 'Vista' release.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/ [apple.com]

"And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129."

Today, more people are using OSX than Vista, and at Vista's current growth rates, this may inevitably remain a fact.

Sucks to be you,

Tman.

Wikipedia built in... (4, Interesting)

Vokkyt (739289) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995227)

From the Dictionary Section:

"Wikipedia in Dictionary

Harness the power of Wikipedia when you're connected to the Internet -- built right into it's Dictionary. You get a great Mac OS X user interface with super-fast searching and beautifully laid out-results."

From the Parental Controls:

"Wikipedia Content Filter

Limit access to profanity in Wikipedia."

Huh...interesting.

language distortion field? (5, Insightful)

drjzzz (150299) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995251)

The "Technology [apple.com] " highlights include:

Bonjour
Holisticly provide access to ethical communities vis-a-vis client-focused

That's it, just a string of buzzwords, not even grammatical, followed by a link to "learn more [apple.com] ". Somebody attended too many marketing or web2.0 presentations. Or maybe they want to put the mystery back in. Turns out, it automagically configures an "instant network". The intro is curious. Does the "ethical community" description mean that security sucks?

Re:language distortion field? (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995415)

Nah, Apple is just using the language of the taret audience (BonJour users). I've sat through far too many of those crappy corporate video conferences that I actually understood it to be grammatically correct.

Re:language distortion field? (2, Interesting)

martinX (672498) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995503)

I looked (being of a suspicious nature), and you are right. WTF is "Holisticly provide access to ethical communities vis-a-vis client-focused. "

I suspect someone put in some filler text that someone else forgot to take out...

Especially since "Holisticly" is the wrong spelling.

The 300 release (2, Funny)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995267)

300 reasons to upgrade: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html [apple.com]

Another 300:

Steve Jobs: [points to Microsoft Programmer behind Baller] You there, 'Softy! What is your profession?
Microsoft Programmer: I am a trainee QA, sir.
Steve Jobs: [points to another 'Softy] And you, what is your profession?
Microsoft Guy: 3rd level branch tester, sir.
Steve Jobs: Branch tester.
[turns to a third 'Softy]
Steve Jobs: And you?
Microsoft Guy: Graphics guy, I repainted XP to make it Vista...
Steve Jobs: [turns around to OSX Team] Apple Employees! WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION?
Apple: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
Steve Jobs: [turning to Ballmer] You see, old friend? I brought more mac than you did.

Microsoft: A thousand downloads of the 0day Vista sploits will descend upon you. Our BSOD's will blot out the sun!
Apple: Then we will iLife 08 in the shade.

ok. any excuse for 300 quotes.

Translucency is so overrated (4, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995277)

If translucency were so great in the real world, we would be printing on onion skin and writing on glass things. But I think translucency is more to show that they can do something in 3d, done by people that have no real vision as to what to do with it.

Well done (1)

Mahenda (1113667) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995355)

I'm glad it is true now, and that price is amazing as well. Now if also Pixel http://www.pixelimageeditor.com/ [pixelimageeditor.com] comes out of Beta state until end of the year, that will make me trully happy!! Again good job Apple, can't way to buy Leopard ASAP!

Re:Well done (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995379)

Why is the price amazing? $129 is no secret. That's what all their major upgrades always sell for.

Anybody know? (1)

Iphtashu Fitz (263795) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995373)

If they offer it free to people who recently bought Macs? I recently started a new job as did a fellow coworker and we both received new Mac Pro's within the last month. It sure would be nice to get a Leopard upgrade.

I'll wait thank you. (0, Troll)

seanyboy (587819) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995399)

I'm going to hang back on ordering this. It's a year late, and Apple still haven't managed to release the Gold Master to developers. My feeling is that in order to get it out on time it hasn't been as well tested as previous versions.

SLOW (1)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995423)

I would think about buying this except that my mac mini can't even handle the OS it has right now. It runs terribly slow (bearly usable) just running a web browser, iTunes, and an IM client. I can't image how slow my computer would run with these new features.

New Systems or just OS upgrades? (3, Interesting)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995453)

I follow some of the Apple 'rumor' sites. Curiously there are no known updates on the Mac Pro and the Mac Book Pro seems to be rumored for an upgrade in the Winter. Apple seems to be weaning off the Mac Mini (as I hear the Mini has had poor sales). It seems new hardware will have Leopard included but will not be upgraded.

Consider most iMac users will *require* an enclosure if they want to use Time Machine as it will only work with an add-on drive and not on the system disk.

This leaves me to ask, will we see a go-between on the Mac Pro and the iMac? I'd really love to see a lower cost tower than the Mac Pro. Expandable hard drive bays, upgradable video card and an extra DVD drive in the same case would be most welcome. My iMac G5 is in need of replacement and the footprint of the system when I account for the external DVD and dual-HDD enclosure doesn't make it seem as worthwhile for space saving.

First untied x86 version? (1, Interesting)

bre_dnd (686663) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995457)

Something else that is interesting about this is that it will be the first untied x86 version -- you can actually buy a x86 version of MacOS without buying Mac hardware to run it on.

Development (0, Offtopic)

raffe (28595) | more than 6 years ago | (#20995521)

Can anybody give some more info regarding development on mac? I have done java development so I guess eclipse works but what about native? Anything else except objective-c ? Does XCode work for other languages as well?
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