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RIAA Sues Usenet.com

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the not-the-same-as-suing-usenet dept.

Music 495

Several readers pointed us to Torrentfreak's coverage of the RIAA's latest move: the major record labels have launched a copyright infringement lawsuit against Usenet.com. The complaint, filed in the federal District Court in New York, accuses Usenet.com of providing access to millions of copyright-infringing files and slams it for touting its service as a "haven for those seeking pirated content." Usenet.com has been refusing the labels' requests to block access to alleged "copyright infringing groups."

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FIRST POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002609)

first post

FIRST REPLY TO FIRST POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002737)

I miss the GNAA.

Ahh crap (5, Funny)

Barny (103770) | about 7 years ago | (#21002621)

Guess IRC and finally Gopher will be up next :/

Re:Ahh crap (5, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | about 7 years ago | (#21002657)

Took 'em years to get around to Usenet, though. Why? Perhaps they've only just heard about it?

Re:Ahh crap (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 7 years ago | (#21002811)

Took 'em years to get around to Usenet, though. Why? Perhaps they've only just heard about it?


It was me, I tell ya! That's right, Sammy, it was me. I was tired, ya see, tired of being your pirate pimp! So they's come it to me, see, these guys in a big Limo, see, and they tell's me, they says "Now look here, Thumbs, we knows you've got the goods on this Usenet gag. Spill the guts and we'll forget all about you selling Chinese Madonna CDs down by the docks."

Re:Ahh crap (5, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | about 7 years ago | (#21002985)

Why? Perhaps they've only just heard about it?

Usenet.com isn't Usenet.* It's a Usenet access provider that markets itself pretty transparently (although not transparently enough to be illegal, I'd guess) as a warez service.

* Translation for all you "my hello.c is so 1337!" dweebs: Usenet.com != Usenet

Re:Ahh crap (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002991)

Probably because they can't track who is using it as easily as P2P programs or torrents. To go after users will require them to get logs from the providers, which won't happen without a subpoena. Also, it seems like they're going after Usenet.com because they were branding their service as a way to get copies of content. I wonder if they will go after other providers, who are advertising the ability to have 20GB/month worth of conversations with other usenet users, but make no mention of copyrighted material that is available?

Re:Ahh crap (4, Informative)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | about 7 years ago | (#21003051)

Don't confuse 'Usenet' with usenet.com. 'Usenet' is an internet-wide discussion system, with thousands of usenet nodes and of no central control.

Usenet.com provides paid access to Usenet newsgroups, and happened to land a nice DNS name.

Re:Ahh crap (0, Redundant)

Cygnostik (545583) | about 7 years ago | (#21003203)

Hehe, 'a nice DNS name' huh? hehe. Isn't that kind of redundantly worded? :-P I think "domain name" might be a little more accurate. "DNS" is "Domain Name Service" (or other similar variations) where domain name is already in it...

First rule of Usenet (5, Funny)

gmezero (4448) | about 7 years ago | (#21003299)

USENET FAQ

Posted: 00:00:00 UTC on January 1, 1970
Version 0.0.1

Authro: Kibble
Group: Alt.First.Post

The first rule of Usenet is you don't talk about Usenet

Traitor! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002669)

Allright, fess up! Who told the dinosaurs about Usenet?

Re:Seriously (0)

User 956 (568564) | about 7 years ago | (#21003121)

The first rule of Usenet is, you do not talk about Usenet.

Re:Ahh crap (1)

woot (70857) | about 7 years ago | (#21002697)

UUCP is the way of the future.

Re:Ahh crap (3, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | about 7 years ago | (#21002803)

Guess IRC and finally Gopher will be up next :/
Jasper: [whispering] Are they talking about the bordello?
Abe: No! The burlesque house. So just keep your mouth shut.

Re:Ahh crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003315)

pure gold!

Maybe you should have done a FUCKING search of the (0, Troll)

R00BYtheN00BY (1118945) | about 7 years ago | (#21003077)

Maybe you should have done a fucking search of the contents of the page before shooting your mouth off? Let's see, ctrl-F, type kdawson, yup - highlighted right there at the top. But no, you couldn't be bothered to do that. You had to jump in and start questioning people because your tiny little brain didn't pick up the fucking reference. Have some sympathy for others and don't fucking post here ever again you stupid cumdumpster. I hope your mother gets diarrhea tonight.

Re:Maybe you should have done a FUCKING search of (5, Funny)

Barny (103770) | about 7 years ago | (#21003125)

Hrmm, angry you are...

I sense the AOL is strong in this one, yes?

I read it for the articles (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002629)

Pay no attention to those alt.binaries. subscriptions.

Re:I read it for the articles (5, Funny)

nogginthenog (582552) | about 7 years ago | (#21002931)

Those groups are useless anyway. Everyone knows Usenet is a 7-bit system that doesn't support binaries...

Re:I read it for the articles (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 7 years ago | (#21003053)

Pay no attention to those alt.binaries. subscriptions.

Oops. Too late. I found alt.binaries.furries ... yowzaa!

GG RIAA (3, Insightful)

visualight (468005) | about 7 years ago | (#21002653)

Now everyone will know about usenet and how to access it.

Re:GG RIAA (2, Funny)

Volatar (1099775) | about 7 years ago | (#21002725)

Like me! *commits massive piracy*

Re:GG RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003111)

ME TOO!!

Re:GG RIAA (1)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | about 7 years ago | (#21003153)

Wait...you can pirate off Usenet? Well...I'll have to, investigate this, now where's that new album...

Think of the pigeons! (5, Funny)

SirJorgelOfBorgel (897488) | about 7 years ago | (#21002661)

I guess pigeons will be next. Woe is ye, oh little beasties of high capacity and ludicrous latency!

Re:Think of the pigeons! (5, Funny)

n dot l (1099033) | about 7 years ago | (#21002837)

LOL. I'd love to see this one hit the courts: "RIAA vs RFC 1149 [faqs.org] ".

Re:Think of the pigeons! (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | about 7 years ago | (#21002851)

Ixnay on the IPoAC net.

(We don't want them to spend lots of time on it, now do we?)

Re:Think of the pigeons! (3, Informative)

Gabest (852807) | about 7 years ago | (#21003041)

Well, think of the latency of a donkey or mule (I had a two year long download once), a pigeon should outperform those easily.

Re:Think of the pigeons! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003201)

Good god man, you could have typed the bits faster than that!

Re:Think of the pigeons! (3, Funny)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | about 7 years ago | (#21003091)

Instead of pidgeons, how about swallows? what is the air velocity and weight capacity ratio of an unladen swallow again?

What's next? (5, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | about 7 years ago | (#21002665)

RIAA sues HTTP.com, RIAA sues USB 2.0, RIAA sues self?

Re:What's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002755)

Ahahahaha reading this made me think of the Rob Schneider parody on South Park:

"Rob Schneider is a stapler!!"
"Rob Schneider is a carrot!!"
"Rob Schneider de derpa dee der!!"

RIAA sues space-time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002907)

That ought to cover it.

Re:RIAA sues space-time. (1)

Brian Gordon (987471) | about 7 years ago | (#21003137)

Alternate universes?

Two very silly companies (2, Insightful)

jdub_dub (874345) | about 7 years ago | (#21002671)

Well, it kinda serves them right... making money off the freely-accessible Usenet.

But at the same time, it's kinda pointless. Suing the freely-accessible Usenet??

Re:Two very silly companies (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002719)

Not all ISPs provide full Usenet access. I know that when I was in college my school had a no alt groups policy. So there is a reason to pay for Usenet.

This news is really bad. We may end up seeing all Usenet providers that provide all of the alt groups getting sued into oblivion. This could be the end of Usenet as we know it.

Re:Two very silly companies (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 7 years ago | (#21002835)

This news is really bad. We may end up seeing all Usenet providers that provide all of the alt groups getting sued into oblivion. This could be the end of Usenet as we know it.


Yes, God forbid it should ever turn back into a text-based public messaging system.

All those UUencoded and Binhex encoded gigs of Warez, Porn and MP3s, bloated beyond all reason.

Re:Two very silly companies (5, Funny)

BosstonesOwn (794949) | about 7 years ago | (#21003015)

Well back to stealing porno mags from the old mans stash.

God I feel bad for ripping off my 80 year old dad's playboys from the 70's ! Oh wow never knew there could be that much hair down there !

Re:Two very silly companies (1)

SpzToid (869795) | about 7 years ago | (#21002763)

It seems only that the RIAA has sued 'usenet.com'. Apparently the RIAA thinks this is the end of the matter, and usenet.com, being a private entity, will settle everything, for everyone?

Re:Two very silly companies (1)

gethoht (757871) | about 7 years ago | (#21002983)

Freely accessible maybe, but it's not free to operate.

Someone along the line has to have a newsgroup server with decent retention, which is a shit-ton of storage required, and also all that bandwidth coming and going is hardly free.

Misread - RIAA USES Usenet (3, Funny)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | about 7 years ago | (#21002681)

I misread the title as "RIAA Uses Usenet.com".

Wow, what a difference two letters make, huh?

Re:Misread - RIAA USES Usenet (5, Funny)

LoonyMike (917095) | about 7 years ago | (#21002727)

Did you just say that RIAA uses some sort of suenet?

Re:Misread - RIAA USES Usenet (1)

popmaker (570147) | about 7 years ago | (#21002957)

They probably do! It would be an automatic web-service that goes alphabetically through everything on the internet and rates it according to "suability". With "Usenet" being rather far down in the alphabet it took them some time to get there.

Re:Misread - RIAA USES Usenet (4, Funny)

Stormx2 (1003260) | about 7 years ago | (#21002815)

I misread the title as "RIAA Uses Usenet.com".

Wow, what a difference two letters make, huh?
Have you also noticed that some things are green... and that some aren't? The excitement never ends.

Re:Misread - RIAA USES Usenet (1)

Chosen Reject (842143) | about 7 years ago | (#21002951)

I'm color blind you insensitive clod!

Re:Misread - RIAA USES Usenet (3, Informative)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | about 7 years ago | (#21003069)

My cats breath smells like cat food.

next up (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | about 7 years ago | (#21002703)

The complaint, filed in the federal District Court in New York, accuses Usenet.com of providing access to millions of copyright-infringing files

Next up, the RIAA sues Nike, for their involvement in a "massive, global-scale sneaker net"

yoos net?? (2, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 years ago | (#21002747)

(hey you kids, get off my damn lawn!)

sorry.

anyway, what is this usenet stuff; and do I have to upgrade my copy of kermit to run it?

Flawed logic? (1, Insightful)

flogger (524072) | about 7 years ago | (#21002749)

If usenet is at fault, then phone companies are at fault for every "bad thing" discussed over the airware or landlines.

Re:Flawed logic? (1)

DivineGod (1160361) | about 7 years ago | (#21002847)

Yes. The logic is the same as with trying to shut down torrent trackers and the like. If they aren't hosting any infringing content they aren't liable, but RIAA and other members of the MAFIAA wants to have them taken down anyways.

If they want to take them down for facilitating the distribution of copyright protected work then yes, by that logic they should also sue the companies providing the bandwith.

Re:Flawed logic? (4, Insightful)

droopycom (470921) | about 7 years ago | (#21003307)

Actually, usenet.com (like any host taking part of the usenet network) is actually hosting the content.

Many usenet host (in universities or ISP) do not store binary groups (just because it take too much space on their servers). But some ISP do, and just turn a blind eye on the piracy, because they know they will attract more customers.

Thats what make it so attractive for pirated content: this are professional grade servers on the other side.

I'm surprised it took RIAA/MPAA so long to go after them.

Wack-a-Mole (1)

BlahSnarto (45250) | about 7 years ago | (#21002761)


Does this mean i can get retribution for someone posting pictures of by
beloved snuggles on alt.binaries.erotica.gerbil.ductape?

hmmm (2, Interesting)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | about 7 years ago | (#21002765)

I think we all should just plead the Fifth one way or another. If the RIAA is targeting this old bastion of nerddom, what's next? Are they going to search Slashdot for their targets based on self-incriminating statements?

My RIAA Inspired Favorite Gift These Days (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002781)

Step one: Pick up a 500 gig external drive
Step two: Dump my 450 gig music collection to it in the background
Step three: Give the gift of music to friend or family member

Great for holidays and birthdays - or even the latest RIAA sues non-computer owning 95 years old deaf cripple story pops up and I'm feeling motivated.

Nothing but love RIAA!

Re:My RIAA Inspired Favorite Gift These Days (1)

wanderingknight (1103573) | about 7 years ago | (#21002885)

Don't worry--hard drive manufacturers are next.

The average user does not know about usenet (1)

schatten (163083) | about 7 years ago | (#21002783)

And because of this lawsuit, as it gains momentum from the RIAA, this will create a Streisand Effect [wikipedia.org] , and others will be introduced into another realm of the internet that isn't on a web browser.

I can just see it now, as the RIAA pushes to close up groups, another group will be formed. It is just too easy to do and so difficult to filter. This will be a venture climbing uphill through sand.

Re:The average user does not know about usenet (1)

DigitalCrackPipe (626884) | about 7 years ago | (#21002973)

Not sure how it would be really difficult to do some filtering - if posted content exceeds a gigabyte per day, flag that group for review (by who... that's more the question). It might start a cat and mouse game, but would probably decimate the utility to those who look for easy downloads. And if I remember correctly, it takes some work to create a new group.

I was always amazed that so much data could pass in plain view, with all the recent attention on peer-to peer networks. I suppose usenet really was far enough underground to avoid attention (or it got more subtle since I last saw it, which I doubt).

Re:The average user does not know about usenet (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | about 7 years ago | (#21003065)

And because of this lawsuit, as it gains momentum from the RIAA, this will create a Streisand Effect [wikipedia.org] , and others will be introduced into another realm of the internet that isn't on a web browser.
Please, no. We don't need another Endless September [wikipedia.org] . The last one just ended only 1 2/3 years ago [news.com] .

I warned you people!! (5, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | about 7 years ago | (#21002805)

See what happens when you talk about Usenet?

Re:I warned you people!! (5, Funny)

Xemu (50595) | about 7 years ago | (#21003099)

When someone discusses Usenet, inevitably, someone (me! me!) will point out that what the RIAA is doing is very similar to what Hitler and the Nazis were wishing for.

Hitler considered it appropriate for the state to adopt a view of what is a life worth living (ein lebenswertig Leben) and cast this ideal in aesthetic/ethical, or quasi-biological terms, and, he gave the state the means to the implementation of this ideal. The RIAA is, like Hitler, telling us how life should be lived and paints this ideal in ethical terms and they want to have the means to implement this ideal.

There. Did it. Happy now?

Re:I warned you people!! (2, Funny)

cliffski (65094) | about 7 years ago | (#21003195)

your theoretical right to download a copyrighted britney spears album is equivalent to Auschwitz how exactly?
its bullshit analogies like yours that make a complete laughing stock out of anyone who would suggest there is credibility to a debate over copyright reform.

You should stand as a witness for the defense in every single RIAA court case. you would be more effective than 100 RIAA lawyers at making their case for them.

Re:I warned you people!! (5, Insightful)

Chapter80 (926879) | about 7 years ago | (#21003231)

your theoretical right to download a copyrighted britney spears album is equivalent to Auschwitz how exactly?
I think you missed the joke. [wikipedia.org]

Re:I warned you people!! (5, Funny)

Mean Variance (913229) | about 7 years ago | (#21003331)

Hitler considered it appropriate for the state to adopt a view of what is a life worth living (ein lebenswertig Leben) and cast this ideal in aesthetic/ethical, or quasi-biological terms, and, he gave the state the means to the implementation of this ideal. The RIAA is, like Hitler, telling us how life should be lived and paints this ideal in ethical terms and they want to have the means to implement this ideal. There. Did it. Happy now?

Godwin's Law has been triggered. Stop the thread.

Re:I warned you people!! (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | about 7 years ago | (#21003335)

Whoever modded you interesting doesn't appear to have gotten it [wikipedia.org] .

This is what happens! (2, Funny)

Frogbert (589961) | about 7 years ago | (#21002819)

You see! This is what happens when you arseholes talk about Usenet!

We warned you about the first rule of Usenet! But no, you guys just didn't listen.

Now look what you did.

Going a bit too far (1)

Hmmm2000 (1146723) | about 7 years ago | (#21002865)

I think the RIAA will next sue the power utilities because electricity enables illegal file transfers.

Styx (1)

dunezone (899268) | about 7 years ago | (#21002869)

Oh Mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law
Law man has put an end to my running and I'm so far from my home
The jig is up, the news is out
They finally found me
The renegade who had it made
Retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
This'll be the end today
Of the wanted man

Does not compute. (5, Funny)

IcebergSlim (450399) | about 7 years ago | (#21002883)

WTF? Usenet predates the WWW and is essentially just a protocol; they might as well sue "email" as well.

Re:Does not compute. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003037)

Please, don't give them any more ideas.

Although, if they want to sue spammers it might not be all bad.

Re:Does not compute. (2, Informative)

Chapter80 (926879) | about 7 years ago | (#21003297)

WTF? Usenet predates the WWW and is essentially just a protocol; they might as well sue "email" as well.
Note, they did not sue Usenet, they sued Usenet.com.

Usenet is a protocol. Usenet.com is a company. (Not that I agree with this strategy. just explaining...!)

Please (4, Insightful)

blhack (921171) | about 7 years ago | (#21002891)

Please, for the love of god, don't let this story go any further....please nobody post this to digg, or reddit, or any other place that will get it even more publicity. What the MAFRIAA wants is for all of us to be up in arms, and if we get the 14 year old ZOMFG HACK-ZORES on the case that is exactly what will happen.

usenet will go the way of bittorrent.

NOthing to see here folks, move along. /quickly now //QUICKLY!

Re:Please (1)

LordSnooty (853791) | about 7 years ago | (#21002945)

usenet will go the way of bittorrent.
What, still perfectly usable for most things, except movies perhaps, but if you find a private tracker the world is your oyster? Also, I'd like to see them find out just who is connecting to what news server.

Re:Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002989)

No because these days, you need to pay to get access to good servers, and most visitors on digg, are not old enough to own credit cards.

Re:Please (4, Informative)

moore.dustin (942289) | about 7 years ago | (#21003031)

What way did bittorrent go exactly? My 'torrent use' has not been effected in the least from anything the RIAA or bittorrent themselves have done. As for usenet, even if it is shut down, only the name will take a hit. The whole community will reorganize 3 days later at a new domain, the same community, and a new vigor of secrecy. I mean really, the RIAA cannot do anything to stop us(Us being geeks/nerds). No matter what they do, we change our ways, improve our position against them(RIAA), and continue to do what we want, share files. Darknets and private trackers are already commonplace because of the RIAA - it just goes to show that the only thing that can control what the community does is the community itself.

Re:Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003087)

As for usenet, even if it is shut down, only the name will take a hit. The whole community will reorganize 3 days later at a new domain, the same community, and a new vigor of secrecy. I mean really, the RIAA cannot do anything to stop us(Us being geeks/nerds).

The crowing about what a hardcore nerd you are suffers from the fact that you obviously don't have the slightest idea what Usenet is. Or what "vigor" means.

Re:Please (1)

zoward (188110) | about 7 years ago | (#21003239)

If the RIAA is suing Usenet.com, they obviously know that Usenet exists, and what's being posted on it. I suppose they hope that suing Usenet.com will have a "chilling effect" on the people who post and/or download files there now.

Usenet? (1)

Stanislav_J (947290) | about 7 years ago | (#21002913)

What is this....1996?

What is this....1996? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003095)

We wouldn't know.

We're too busy downloading movies, music, games and apps, without any of that p2p bullshit to notice what year it is.

Okay, newbies, usenet.com is NOT usenet (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 7 years ago | (#21002921)

Geez, what is this, digg? usenet.com is just a company that gives payed access to usenet. The RIAA can't sue usenet anymore then it could sue HTTP (not that it wouldn't want to) but it sure as hell can sue Usenet.com the same as it can sue a company employing a webserver that hosts copyrighted files.

I have no idea if usenet.com can be considered guilty under current laws, they do have the files in question on their servers and charge people money to download them, so they are directly profitting from these files. On the other hand, by the nature of usenet they have no control over what appears on their servers (they better not be blocking kiddie porn or they lost that defence).

Are they a phone company just passing information, or are they a filesharer profitting from doing so.

Intresting case BUT stop pretending that the RIAA is stupid enough to sue USENET, it is sueing a company that sells access to usenet. People here are quick to blame politicians for not knowing enough, but count the posts that don't even seem to know the difference between these two.

Re:Okay, newbies, usenet.com is NOT usenet (1)

jandrese (485) | about 7 years ago | (#21002975)

Given how 90% of the ISPs these days provide Usenet access through companies like Giganews, and third party Usenet providers like Usenet.com aren't very common, this could easily be just the first strike against every major Usenet provider.

Looks like someone forgot the first rule of Usenet.

Re:Okay, newbies, usenet.com is NOT usenet (1)

kcornia (152859) | about 7 years ago | (#21003025)

I am amazed how far I had to read to get to this distinction. Looks like they're going to try to set precedent by winning a case against a small guy, then they'll trot it out to all the other usenet server hosts and try to get usenet shut down or irrepairably changed (e.g. back to the discussion board it started as).

I can honestly see a potential future where they've clamped down on p2p, usenet, and even gotten the government to block torrent sites hosted outside the country. That would halt a vast majority of the piracy of their content.

Who knows if they'll succeed and/or to what degree, but their overall plan is starting to become clearer.

Re:Okay, newbies, usenet.com is NOT usenet (1)

Otter (3800) | about 7 years ago | (#21003139)

Intresting case BUT stop pretending that the RIAA is stupid enough to sue USENET...

In fairness, the freaking from the tag is "from the not-the-same-as-suing-usenet dept." Maybe kdawson could use blink tags.

I have no idea if usenet.com can be considered guilty under current laws, they do have the files in question on their servers and charge people money to download them, so they are directly profitting from these files.

I think the argument being made is that they advertise copyright violation as a key reason to use their service, not just that they happen to have some warez on their servers.

But who is to say what they were thinking? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 7 years ago | (#21003253)

Yes we all know that Usenet.com is not usenet the disaggregated cloud of data. But who is to say that this really is the RIAA's attempt to actually "sue usenet". Do they in fact know the difference? It's an awful coincidence that out of all the for-profit news providers, Usenet.com is specifically the one they went after (and no others!).

You honestly don't believe that the simplest explanation here is that the memo came down to "sue usenet" and this is what resulted?

Note to jury: Usenet only contains text (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002939)

And if it's 7-bit you must acquit.

usenet.com != Usenet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21002943)

Usenet.com is one provider. Usenet is all of the ALL of the providers, all over the world.

Eventually... (1)

thepartyanimal (1149043) | about 7 years ago | (#21002959)

RIAA will sue itself for providing the music to pirate.

Bah.. (1)

l0cust (992700) | about 7 years ago | (#21002993)

Its a pointless strategy. Sue the students because they were downloading pirated stuff, sue the kids and their grandmothers for allowing file sharing on their systems, sue the torrent sites for listing the pirated materials, sue sites like vcdquality for providing a release database, and since all that has worked out so wonderfully, now they are going to sue usenet for sharing copyrighted content. There was a time when I used to care about which new tactic they are going to apply next and who is the next on their hitlist, but after all these years watching the "warezed" content simply grow, I couldn't care less now.

I don't exactly blame them for doing this(apart from bitching about it when they go after some grandma who hasn't even touched the computer in question), they also know they are fighting a losing battle. They can only delay the inevitable by the scare tactics but the outcome of all this was already decided when people started sharing copyrighted material on the net while actually believing that they were not doing anything wrong.

First step: sue usenet. (0, Offtopic)

MrCawfee (13910) | about 7 years ago | (#21003005)

Next step: sue TCP/IP.

For their next trick (1)

Rix (54095) | about 7 years ago | (#21003017)

They'll be suing Claude Shannon.

Yes I know he's dead. That's not stopped them in the past.

Ah for the good old days of Usenet (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 7 years ago | (#21003033)

When it was just used for posting news items, and some experimental electronic music we generated at the labs at SFU and UBC ...

alt.binaries.warez.* (2, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 years ago | (#21003055)

Still exists? ive not seen them on an ISP for years.

Why not just have a blanket suit against all people that have internet access. Then tax us all for our 'assumed guilt'. Sort of like the 'music CDR tax'.

Re:alt.binaries.warez.* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003213)

From the third party servers provided by Road Runner (read, Time Warner: member of the RIAA)

$ grep "alt.binaries.warez" newsrc-1 | wc -l
157

Re:alt.binaries.warez.* (1)

fsulawndart (860628) | about 7 years ago | (#21003245)

news.comcast.net You get 1 gig a month with comcast!

Can the RIAA be countersued? (2, Interesting)

IcebergSlim (450399) | about 7 years ago | (#21003101)

As the legitimate owner of ~400 legally purchased CD's, do I not have the right to download MP3's to use on my own MP3 player instead of ripping them myself? Downloading an MP3 instead of ripping it is often faster, and usually gets me a better quality audio file than if I were to rip it myself. As a paying customer of an NNTP provider, should I not be allowed to pursue my fair use rights in this regard? And if the RIAA is interferring with this, can they be sued for violating my rights?

Just wondering...

Re:Can the RIAA be countersued? (1)

brouski (827510) | about 7 years ago | (#21003285)

Probably not, no, as the whole point of copyright is to give the copyright holder rights of distribution.

But pray tell, how is it that a downloaded MP3 is usually of higher quality than what you would rip yourself? It doesn't exactly take a dual core to rip CD's.

Where will it end? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21003105)

Here is an idea, sue the government for providing education that helps spread literacy. The root of all this infringement is literacy and illiteracy is the ultimate DRM.
Any copyrighted work can be reproduced through the miracle of colored or textured surfaces! They had it right in the middle ages, illiteracy was a great way to control people, just look at the Catholic Church at the time.

who after usenet (0, Flamebait)

FudRucker (866063) | about 7 years ago | (#21003133)

are the RIAA going to sue next? the intertubes? sue electricity? the world?

the RIAA is losing it (mentally)...

Pointless (4, Informative)

jemenake (595948) | about 7 years ago | (#21003147)

If the RIAA's main complaint is that Usenet.com is offering access to alt.binaries.*, that's a little pointless. Now that NZB files are all the rage, the various pieces of each posting don't even have to be in one newsgroup, because the reference them by message-id. So, I could chop "Stairway to Heaven" into 20 pieces, post one piece to soc.singles, another piece to alt.flame, etc. etc... and then post the NZB somewhere and any NZB-aware program will be able to go get them. So... trying to shut off alt.binaries isn't going to stop anything.

Not Giganews? (1)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | about 7 years ago | (#21003155)

I'm surprised it wasn't Giganews who got sued, they seem to be number one in binary newsgroups. I'm pretty sure that Giganews unlimited subscribers are a formal subset of internet pirates... not that there's anything wrong with that :D

Maybe the RIAA is going after the little guy first.
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