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Swearing at Work is Bleeping Good For You

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the now-shut-the-bleep-up-you-bleeping-bleep dept.

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coondoggie writes "This is the kind of news that your HR folks don't want to hear, but researchers today said letting workers swear at will in the workplace can benefit employees and employers. The study found regular use of profanity to express and reinforce solidarity among staff, enabling them to express their feelings, such as frustration, and develop social relationships, according to researchers at the University of East Anglia (UES). Researchers said their aim was to challenge leadership styles and suggest ideas for best practice. "Employees use swearing on a continuous basis, but not necessarily in a negative, abusive manner. Swearing was as a social phenomenon to reflect solidarity and enhance group cohesiveness, or as a psychological phenomenon to release stress, " the study stated." I'm sure the discussion and tags on this story will be completely G Rated ;)

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It is called open communication (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011229)

Yea, people can communicate withought swearing. But this limits 'how' you communicate.

Limiting vocabulary impeads what you are really trying to say.

I can appreciate that some people are offended by some words. That doesn't always mean that the words are inappropriate.

Re:It is called FUBAR (1)

monk.e.boy (1077985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011259)

fubar

Re:It is called FUBAR (1)

monk.e.boy (1077985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011299)

Oh, I did went an' fo'got: SNAFU

But comming from the UK, we tend to use "that's a bunch of turd burger" a lot

And instead of Burger King, we use Turd Burgerler King. Or Kurger Bing.

:-)

Please MOD informative. ;-)

Re:It is called FUBAR (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011423)

>But comming from the UK, we tend to use "that's a bunch of turd burger" a lot
I think that's just you and your friends - I've never come across (fnarr) any of those phrases except Turd Burgerler used as slang for someone of the non-hetro persuasion.

Re:It is called FUBAR (1)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011567)

I always refer to them as "Murder King".

Re:It is called FUBAR (2, Informative)

CyberLord Seven (525173) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011569)

For those that don't know.

FUBAR

Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition. I think this is a phrase that originated in the military during WWII (The Great Patriotic War, to the Soviets). SNAFU

Situation Normal, All Fucked Up. I think this one originated in the military around the time of the Korean War or Vietnam.

Re:It is called FUBAR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011999)

But comming from the UK, we tend to use "that's a bunch of turd burger" a lot

Now my spelling is pretty bad, but what really gets me is the number of people that cannot spell coming correctly

Re:It is called open communication (4, Funny)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011453)

Limiting vocabulary impeads what you are really trying to say.

That's "impedes," d---head.

Re:It is called open communication (5, Interesting)

cloricus (691063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011909)

One thing that I really cannot stand is people who self censor or are scared to swear when it is socially acceptable (they deleted two days of work, or dropped a log on their foot). If you are going to swear do it, don't cross out letters, don't imply that is what would be there (for example the way they are editing it out of songs now your brain fills it in anyway). If you are not adult enough to brush off those who are so immature that they get offended you need to go back to high school and toughen up a bit.

I'm still considering if it is wise to see if slashdot has a swear word filter. :P

Good for you? (1, Interesting)

psychicsword (1036852) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011231)

I can see your point, but I still think you are full of shit [thealders.net]
That is fucking bullshit.
They must be talking out of their ass!

Next they will be saying that Porn is good for productivity

Re:Good for you? (4, Funny)

Applekid (993327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011297)

Next they will be saying that Porn is good for productivity
It is, until a little while later when all I get is sleepy.

Re:Good for you? (5, Funny)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011305)

Next they will be saying that Porn is good for productivity
I work at a sperm bank, you insensitive clod!!!!

Re:Good for you? (0, Redundant)

monk.e.boy (1077985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011343)

I work at a sperm bank, you insensitive clod!!!!

You wank off other blokes for a living?

ugh

Re:Good for you? (4, Funny)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011419)

No. Like most things these days, it's all self service apart from the paperwork.

Re:Good for you? (4, Funny)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011329)

Fuck ya! Does this research apply to jobs in daycare or elementary schools? "Ok you little shits, we're having a pop quiz."

Next they'll be saying that sex on your desk is good for productivity. And I'll keep on saying it...

Re:Good for you? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011525)

Umm yea, kids need to be yelled at occasionally. Yea you don't want an angry teacher. But sure, why not if the kids really deserve it, let em have it..

Nope. (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011793)

There is a difference between using profanity at your customers, be they students or whatever, and using profanity among your co-workers.

Throwing down on your customers is never good. That's your job so when you start doing profanity, you're screwing up your job performance, and you deserve to be fired...unless you're in a job where the customers expect profanity (comedian, whore, phone support).

Being able to walk into the kitchen, or the breakroom, or whatever, and say, "Goddamn motherfucking asspirates should choke on a cock and die die die!" and not be fired, is therapeutic.

Mods on crack again? (1)

wanderingknight (1103573) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011507)

How can this be flamebait considering the fucking topic?

Re:Good for you? (1)

tsbiscaro (888711) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011553)

Pics anyone?

Well, duh. (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011237)

No shit.

Re:Well, duh. (3, Insightful)

sacherjj (7595) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011527)

Actually, I'm finally at a work place where the IT department isn't F this and GD that. Frankly, I like it. You emulate those that you are around the most. I actually enjoy an environment that doesn't reward those talking like a salty sailor.

Re:Well, duh. (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011651)

I often find that people who are uptight about curse words/swearing tend to be the ones that have nervous breakdowns and quit. Swearing and free speech in general is a good thing, IMO.

It's not about rewards. (4, Interesting)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011849)

It's about the office environment. If everyone is happy, and the bosses aren't sadists, then you don't get as much swearing. I swear when I get angry or frustrated, not when I'm hopping around, having a good day, feeling good about myself, etc.

Profanity doesn't make for a bad environment; bad environments make for profanity. And a bad environment that stifles profanity is a terrible environment.

HEY! (1)

El Puerco Loco (31491) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011667)

Watch your fucking language!

'bout ****ing time (5, Funny)

athdemo (1153305) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011249)

I mean, ****, why am I always being ****ing censored at work. We're all ****ing adults here, right? ****.

University of East Anglia (UES) (1, Informative)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011257)

Shouldn't that be "University of East Anglia (UEA)" ?

Re:University of East Anglia (UES) (1)

zeromorph (1009305) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011393)

It actually is:
http://www.uea.ac.uk/

But better to miss the key, than sending a whole university to Abu Dhabi (UAE [wikipedia.org] ).

I have to go back to my flipping work....

Fucking Post (1, Funny)

Iskender (1040286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011263)

Fucking Post!

odd...I know people who got fired.. (1, Informative)

huckda (398277) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011273)

for use of vulgar language in meetings...
how can getting fired be healthy for you? (unless your in a dead end job and need the catalyst to get off your duff and go get a career)

Re:odd...I know people who got fired.. (3, Interesting)

thegnu (557446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011435)

for use of vulgar language in meetings...
how can getting fired be healthy for you?

The point of the article is that being in an environment that allows greater freedom of expression is good for you. Not that swearing when it's inappropriate or against policy is good for you.

Though I've sworn at a client that was late in paying me $3000. But I was essentially in a situation where I had to demonstrate the fact that I owned (pwnd, rather) all their data before they paid me. So I felt rather justified.

Re:odd...I know people who got fired.. (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011467)

unless your in a dead end job and need the catalyst to get off your duff and go get a career
All jobs are "dead end". Have a look at the depth of the management hierarchy next time you're in work. The whole paradigm of "a career" is an HR idea to motivate you to work 60 hours for the price of 40.

The only sane way to "make progress" is to work as an independent.

 

Re:odd...I know people who got fired.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011605)

OK.

- My boss (owner of the company)
- Me

Re:odd...I know people who got fired.. (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011713)

- My boss (owner of the company)
- Me
Good luck making progress in that situation.
 

mod parent down - RTFsummary (1)

kieran (20691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011505)

TFA about the difference between places that premit swearing and those that don't. Obviously. It's hardly "letting workers swear at will" if you fire them for it.

Re:odd...I know people who got fired.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011523)

God damn fired for swearing? I'm pretty fucking sure I could win that bullshit lawsuit.

TFA misses the point. (5, Interesting)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011685)

It's not about the profanity, it's about the freedom to express your opinion without a ton of self-censoring. If you're working in a situation where you're going to get fired for swearing in a meeting, regardless of how frustrated you are, that's going to affect your performance and it's going to add a lot of stress, because you're going to be forever worrying about what you say to whom.

I used to have a mostly-female chain of command, and it was more difficult. Had a boss who decided I was a morale problem because I was willing to say what the whole department was thinking. Got called into the HR director's office once because I snapped at a co-worker in her earshot; no profanity mind you, just frustration. Not to say that there's anything wrong with women, but you can't cut loose on a female in a corporate environment without repercussions.

In contrast I absolutely lost my shit in front of my current boss (who is a corporate VP) over a complete snafu that I'd seen coming, and warned all the responsible people about and planned against, and goddamn it if they didn't do the ONE THING, THE ONE GODDAMN THING I TOLD THEM TO NEVER DO, and he let me run down, slapped me on the back, and said, "Done is done, let's get it fixed" and we went on from there.

Just nice to be in a situation where you can express your feelings, and sometimes there is a lot of profanity-inducing anger there, and not have to worry about your job. I'm pretty low key; I can keep it bottled up if I have to, but it makes for a less pleasant environment.

Re:TFA misses the point. (-1, Troll)

tarp (95957) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011733)

That's why I see no place for women in business. They aren't the most rational beings either...

Yes, I'll probably get "modded down" as a sexist troll, but this is the truth, plain and simple. There are always exceptions to the rule, but I'd say 75% of women act irrationally 99% of the time.

Uh no. (3, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011963)

I'm sorry you got that from my comment.

My only problem with working with females is in this particular context; if I say something off the cuff, in frustration, they'll view it as more significant than a guy would.

This is because they are, in many ways, better at communication than a guy would be, and more sensitive to nuance.

So you've got to watch what you say, because they pay attention, and they'll think about it more. A guy just hears, "wawawawa" noises contexted with a tone of voice. A female will hear what you actually say, and then think about it, then try to reconcile it with your subsequent and prior actions.

This is just a generalization. Lots of guys behave in what I'm representing as the "female" mode, and there are a lot of women who pay as little or less attention to what you're saying as a guy would.

Re:TFA misses the point. (1)

Sierpinski (266120) | more than 6 years ago | (#21012019)

That's why I see no place for women in business. They aren't the most rational beings either...

Yes, I'll probably get "modded down" as a sexist troll, but this is the truth, plain and simple. There are always exceptions to the rule, but I'd say 75% of women act irrationally 99% of the time.


You, sir, are an inspiration to all guys. Having met three-quarters of the women on the planet, and having gotten to know them so well that you know they are almost always irrational, that gives hope to the common man.

Just remember though, 47.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Re:odd...I know people who got fired.. (1)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011911)

Perhaps the point is that firing people for something as ridiculously trivial as vulgarity, isn't healthy for your company. Managers: Let your people harmlessly blow off steam, or be at a competitive disadvantage.

FUCK YEAH! (1)

morari (1080535) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011277)

Take that work-based internet monitor!

Fuck yeah (0)

analog_line (465182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011281)

It's about fucking time someone fucking realized that a bit of fucking swearing is good for stress levels? Shit, how many fucking times have I told people this shit?!?!

Jackasses.

Actual news release (5, Informative)

peipas (809350) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011309)

Here's the actual release [uea.ac.uk] from the source, rather than a Network World recap.

Re:Actual news release (1)

Doctor Crumb (737936) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011837)

How many people do you think even read the fucking article? Like hell they're going to read the actual release.

Our HR department... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011315)

...doesn't care if we are swearing. As long as we aren't swearing at each other in (too much) anger.

But it's normally the customer we're swearing about.

Farscape and Galactica are great for this (3, Interesting)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011323)

Now where the yotz did I put that frakking driver CD? I swear, if this FRELLING printer breaks down one more time, it's getting it right in the mivonks. Useless pile of dren, I knew we should have gone with the 4250.

Of course, it does have the downside of my coworkers looking at me like I'm insane, but then that really shouldn't come as news to anyone. If they haven't figured out that I'm magra-fahrbot by now, well, I can't be blamed.

Pah, noob (4, Funny)

mccalli (323026) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011399)

Belgium, man. Just Belgium.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Pah, noob (4, Funny)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011463)

:-) We got fed up with our 5yo going on about bottoms and farts all the time so we told him the one thing he must never say is the rudest word in the universe i.e. Belgium and now that's all he says.

Re:Farscape and Galactica are great for this (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011415)

You forgot the rutting Firefly swear words, you gorram insensitive clod!

Slashdot: News Echoed From (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011327)


  other sites [rawstory.com] .

Why don't you report the news about how this criminal [whitehouse.org] has stolen the U.S.
Treasury for private profit?

Thanks for your support.

PatRIOTically,
K. Trout

Hey Boss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011333)

told you so... now go blow me, like I did your wife at the xmas party

~warning: certain words may be career limiting

For what it's worth... (1)

TofuMatt (1105351) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011335)

... since I was sixteen (my first job), swearing has been the norm in every workplace I've been in. I used to have a bit more of a polite mouth, at least when it came to profanity, before I started working.

Sounds like reasonable points though; the people I work with closely at my job are all people I don't filter my tongue around. My bosses, yes, but even so, they often swear.

Fuck yes (5, Funny)

slayermet420 (1053520) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011339)

It's about motherfucking time the real world caught up with the fucking military.

Re:Fuck yes (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011619)

Way to go dumbass. Now we have to sleep in the office, and if they drill me one more time on workstation disassembly-reassembly, I swear I'm gonna bring down the entire network.

Welcome news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011351)

It's about fucking time.

Good (1)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011353)

Good now I am going to go tell my boss to @#$% off and give me a raise!

My office neighbor... (2, Interesting)

Cornflake917 (515940) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011375)

My office neighbor gets scary when he is having trouble figuring something out on his computer. He swears and bangs the table and it makes me scared. I don't think his behavior is helping anyone :-(

Re:My office neighbor... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011489)

And you wouldn't be creeped the fuck out if he suddenly became very quiet instead? Would you rather him stifle it and hold it all tightly in until one very tragic day?

Re:My office neighbor... (1)

Cornflake917 (515940) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011647)

He has a wife and two young daughters, I doubt he is going to go Seung-Hui Cho on us any time soon. There is a pretty clear difference between people with anger management issues, and suicidal psychopaths.

You think? (1)

edunbar93 (141167) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011387)

I'm sure the discussion and tags on this story will be completely G Rated ;)

Oh fuck off!

Call me sad but.. (3, Interesting)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011389)

Whilst in the right circumstances I can swear as much as the next person, at work and out in public, I don't like hearing it especially when people use it in every sentence without it even needing to be there. I have always considered really strong language to be the 11 on the amp - it's for when you need to get over the fact that something is really extreme i.e. big, massive, humungous, **ing huge.
Personally I'd find it stress inducing if I was surrounded by people swearing non stop all day. It has it's place and I'm happy with that but I don't want to hear it non stop, it demeans the person talking like that.
That said, I was sort of impressed by the moron chav who lived in the flat below mine once who managed a 16 word sentence which was all f**k or varients apart from 4 words and it made sense.

Yeah, well (5, Funny)

NickCatal (865805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011433)

Somehow I don't feel like this allows you to say 'This place is filled with fucking idiots' every 5 seconds

But at least I can think it

In other words... (1)

InlawBiker (1124825) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011455)

People are happier at work if they can act like themselves. I'm sure it's not just me - over the last 10 years it's become more and more difficult to work in an office for fear of breaking HR rules. Humor, sex and profanity have been all but eliminated from some offices - what fun is that?? Greg.

Re:In other words... (2, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011809)

Try working in an area that is almost 50/50 black and white sometime. The racial tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. You have to be careful of every single sentence you utter. Even the most innocuous remark can get you into serious trouble. It's to the point that, if you do a collage for a bulletin board and you don't have an equal mix of black/white and male/female pictures on the board, you can get into real trouble (I bullshit you not, this has actually happened before--and not just once).

It sucks because it puts me in an awkward position of having to find racially diverse photos for every publication (since I oversee most publication design). Anyone with any experience with stock photos knows that blacks are not exactly well represented, since they're harder to light than whites and are a small minority in most states. And having to do our own photos is expensive and a huge lighting nightmare (If you don't believe it, try lighting a photo with guy whose skin is coal black standing next to a guy who looks like he just stepped off the boat from Ireland sometime). And God help me if I don't parse every sentence in every publication carefully. Someone slips in the word "Niggardly" without me catching it, and I'm out the door.

Re:In other words... (1)

gsslay (807818) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011997)

People are happier at work if they can act like themselves.
And what if swearing is not themselves?

This benefits and reinforces solidarity only among those who are willing to join in with the swearing. I can't imagine it does much for those who get uncomfortable around constant cursing. So really a policy of "swearing's ok" is every bit as oppressive as one that says "not ok". Either way you're cramping someone's style. Which do you think is the lesser of the two evils?

Personally I'd go with the option that's least likely to offend those in and visiting the working environment.

Also consider that swearing, by its very nature, often revolves around phrases that can very easily be used, intentionally or not, as a form of sexual harassment. You read stories all the time of cases where a company has been taken to court over sexual discrimination, and their defence is "it was only office banter". But it's often the case that "office banter" is just the excuse used to disguise real harassment. That's why your HR dept doesn't like it.

Words (1)

MM_LONEWOLF (994599) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011459)

So swearing is good for you? Personally, I believe that there is nothing wrong with swearing. What are swear words but various words that people are taught to take offense to? What does "shit" mean? Excrement. But why is one way to express a bodily function more offensive that another word that means the same thing. Same story with "fuck" and "intercourse." But really, I'm just waiting for someone at a high school somewhere to sue for the right to swear at school.

Re:Words (1)

trongey (21550) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011811)

I've wondered for a long time why some words are supposedly bad while other words that mean exactly the same thing are OK.
On the other hand, I suspect that a lot of people would be really mad if their ability to say words they're not supposed to say suddenly ceased to exist.

maybe initially (3, Insightful)

Floritard (1058660) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011465)

Wouldn't it lose it's luster if everyone were swearing all the time? I'm all for the unrestricted use of language everywhere, I think it's childish not to be, but wouldn't any positive side effects be related to the fact that being allowed to swear at work is unusual and kind of a privilege? Of course, once everyone got completely used to swearing, we'd all be better off anyway IMH fucking O.

Unfair! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011477)

I think that label on the link to the article is totally unfair!

I may not have read the article itself.

                                                  Will.

super bowl (4, Funny)

Aeron65432 (805385) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011481)

Reminds me of my favorite superbowl commercial, [youtube.com] I don't know how many times this got passed around the office.

Long time coming (2, Insightful)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011515)

Forcing people to behave artificially causes people to not be able to bond and communicate.

This rather obvious realization has been surfacing over the past few decades. 20 years ago professionals were expected to wear suits and ties to work. Today, most employers I've worked for only require that of sales people, or on certain ocassions. The average employee can wear jeans, at in their cube, swear, and scratch their butt. I think this leads to a more relaxed and more productive work environment.

Interestingly though, in the 80's, it was socially acceptable to have a drink during lunch. Now it is taboo to drink during work hours at all.

dude... (1)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011555)

Who the F*** lets pays these asshats to come up with such useless drivel. It makes me wanna $*&*#*# swear. Oh, nevermind, I feel better now.

In other news: breathing makes you live.

 

Don't overdo it. (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011571)

I think the occasional swear is perfectly fine. It doesn't bother me in the least and I've sworn myself more times than I can count. However, I also think there are many situations where it's inappropriate. I wouldn't do it in front of a client, for example.

I do believe it can be cathartic. But from personal experience once swearing gets abused, let's say when under stress, it also seems to aggravate the frustration. It's like stewing in anger.

And it's too easy for this to be turned into a habit. The last thing I need is to have every second word spoken by fuck or shit. Like it or not it makes a person seem immature and uncultured when swearing is abused.

Wish I could say not me... (1)

Interested Bystander (1106793) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011579)

Wish I could say I don't, but my truth switch is stuck 1 and won't let me toggle to 0. I do not think it helps lower stress and I have seen it get someone a diversity class refresher. Maybe it is like salt (a little helps and too much raises your blood pressure).

Better at work... (1)

The G (7787) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011581)

I'm glad that swearing at work is good for you, because swearing at home is illegal [volokh.com] .

Brits have known this for ages (4, Informative)

mihalis (28146) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011615)

I grew up in Britain but now work in America. When I figure I can get away with it, and when the situation calls for it, I sometimes let loose with a well-timed swear word. I can sense that my fully american colleagues are always a little bit shocked, however I also feel it REALLY gets their attention, and thus can be a good thing.

For example, I told my (then current) boss that the interference from her (then) boss had gotten completely out of hand. The way I phrased it was "I have nearly gotten to the point of just telling him to fuck off". That would be such a flagrant breach of protocol that I'm glad I didn't, however just /mentioning/ the word made the situation crystal clear (mention as oppose to use - it was hypothetical swearing).

In fact, work is almost the last frontier where swearing is still effective, and so it's the only place where's really still worthwhile. I suppose if I swore at customer support from some vendor it would also have an effect, but I have too much sympathy for what those people put up with.

Out on the street, or on public transport, however, swearing is just like noise on the signal. Any ten-year old kid can be overheard using "fuck, shit, motherfucker". One of the few words that still has some kick to it, for some reason, is "cunt". I think the most memorable usage was still in the Bridget Jones movie...

Obligatory bash.org Quote (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011625)

<Gerard> Damn bitch fuck damn.
<Tom> PG-13 Gerard
<Gerard> Dang gosh golly dang


(http://bash.org/?230424 [bash.org] )

Idiotic and out of touch with the real world (2, Interesting)

rbanzai (596355) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011649)

I once worked at police department, a very swear-friendly environment. I wound up swearing ALL the time, including around my family. I had to work hard to break this new habit. In the jobs that followed (outside of emergency services) it was obvious that people who swore alot not only seemed unprofessional they appeared to be poor communicators that could not express themselves without obscenities.

It's not a prohibition on swearing that's keeping people from expressing themselves at work; it's restrictive environments created by management where one doesn't express oneself out of fear of retaliation.

I enjoy swearing when it's the right time, but work is not the place for it, and swearing is not a workplace communication enhancer; it's a tool of anger, frustration and an inability to express one's full feeling on a subject.

Re:Idiotic and out of touch with the real world (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011925)

Agreed! One time at work, my boss announced the latest stupid rule from his bosses. I just said that that was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. I didn't need to throw in any "F" words or "S" words. (BTW, my boss agreed with me but avoided actually saying so)

OTOH, I swear at my home computer frequently.

Working in the Navy (4, Interesting)

Protonk (599901) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011701)

One of the best parts of being a sailor was, well...swearing like a sailor. But in the time that I was in, the powers that be decided that it wasn't in the best interest of the navy to have sailors acting like...well, sailors. So no carousing, smoking, swearing, etc. Swearing "wasn't professional" and it didn't reflect the best interests of the Navy. I've even seen a swear jar implemented. No joke.

And this was on a submarine. No women. Limited cases of sexual harassment.

Fuck that. You could always tell the fools in the Chief's quarters (think mid level management) by how well they hewed to these rules. If they smoked, drank and swore, they were usually good guys. If they were teetotaling pricks, then they were not to be trusted. This, more than almost any other metric, helped to determine good bosses from bad for us.

Re:Working in the Navy (4, Funny)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 6 years ago | (#21012013)

And this was on a submarine. No women. Limited cases of sexual harassment.

No women? Limited sexual harassment? As opposed to none? I suppose all the jokes about you Navy guys are true to some extent...

profanity: sex, excrement and religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011721)

Are there other topics that profanity based other than
sex, excrement, and religion?

What is the common theme?

Re:profanity: sex, excrement and religion (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011817)

Wait wait you forgot about insulting immediate relatives and casting doubts on the legitimacy of someone's birth...

Re:profanity: sex, excrement and religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21012057)

Don't forget race and sexuality you nigger faggot.

Seemed to work... (1)

Deadstick (535032) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011725)

...for a former coworker of mine. He had previously worked as a tech rep aboard an aircraft carrier, and the Navy made him leave because the sailors were picking up his language. His health was always just fine.

rj

Swearing (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011739)

Fine, just make sure you don't fucking do it in Pennsylvania [liveleak.com] or you may end up in jail.

I disagree (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011775)

Does it really add anything to call someone a G-D fucking moron instead of just calling them a worthless moron when they are wrecking havoc on you and your team? Personally, I don't think so. In fact, I think it can show a great deal of control over yourself that will make others look up to you at least a little as a leader in a tough environment when you aren't cussing, but others (especially managers) are cussing like sailors. I've had a manager like that before, where we'd be discussing a product or an initiative casually, and his end would be filled with profanity. Personally, it made me feel uncomfortable to have a manager who felt so free in a business environment to let it all hang out because it made me wonder how seriously things in general. I say that as someone who doesn't feel it's his place to stop others from cussing, preferring to just set a different example.

Thank fuck for that! n/t (1)

Nuitari The Wiz (1123889) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011789)

n/t

I must be sheltered (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011791)

I don't think I've ever worked for a company that discouraged profanity. One place I worked a decade back, the installation of a new cluster was routinely referred to as "the clusterfuck project".

Forever War (1)

Diakoneo (853127) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011823)

Reminds me of Joe Haldeman's The Forever War [wikipedia.org] . They made the soldiers swear at the drill sergeants thinking it would improve moral. It just became lame to them after a short while...

Military Tradition (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011827)

The study found regular use of profanity to express and reinforce solidarity among staff, enabling them to express their feelings, such as frustration, and develop social relationships, according to researchers at the University of East Anglia (UES).


Sounds very much like camaraderie and morale; old military standbys. Perhaps there is a good reason swearing seems to be ingrained in military culture.

Just be sure the customer is on hold... (1)

mmullings (1142559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011847)

We recently had a CSR that was having a bad morning.
When she finally blew up with something to the effect of 'damn stupid fucking idiots', the customer on the phone asked her if she could put her on hold first before verbally assaulting her.
She was red faced once she realized that the hold light was off.
Only a couple of hours went by, then she got her walking papers.

Yikes. Bad Idea. (1)

strick1226 (62434) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011853)

Uhm... I call BS on this.

Seriously, though... how could it possibly help matters?

The majority of jobs I've had in which the employees cursed incessantly were not necessarily more productive. In fact, having an angry boss is one thing--a __cursing__, angry boss is something else altogether.

Moreover, while I can understand this would make most women uncomfortable in the workplace, I can also vouch for my experience in offices staffed predominantly by females--it's very uncomfortable for the few men, at that point.

The whole thing reeks of unprofessionalism, in my opinion. I can understand the occasional pained and shouted curse in relatively unpopulated areas, such as server farms etc.--but I certainly wouldn't encourage my employees to use profanities as much as they feel like it--I see a lot of possible lost sale calls etc.

All in all, I suppose a lot of it comes down to the context of the situation--but it just sounds like a bad business strategy for HR to adopt.

fat bastard alert ... (1)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011855)

"regular use of profanity .. among staff, enabling them to express their feelings .. and develop social relationships"

You mean now the workers can swear back at the managers, as distinct to being swore at. If so then why is it that when I called my 'team leader' a fat bastard, he got me fired. It was like this, I was on the call desk and he happened to cross my field of vision and I sub-vocalized the expletive. Those headphone mikes are so soo sensitive and besides he shouldn't have been listening in on my calls anyhow.

The danger with using profanity is you can't just switch it off in front of the customers, as a French/Algerian receptionist in a Hotel once put it when addressing me, ' you stupid fucking (insert nationality) bastard ' .., yes taco I mean you .. ;).

You see it was something she picked up in the back office whenever I was referred to. That was also about the time they used to send me on racial sensitivity courses :)

The only use profanity can be put to, is in places like the army, where it is used in the breakdown of recruits in furtherance of turning them into complaint automatons. It's verbally directed agression and that's all. Whether directed at you or you have to listen to it all day. I wonder does professor Baruch have any experience in the real world ... the kvetch ...

Will MS add... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011869)

some sort of Windows service pack/feature with Swearing enabled? okay... not on "home edition" but for "Professional versions".

Such as:
Start > Shut down

"Why the f**k do you want to shut me down?"
okay, just day dreaming.

I have a few words in response: (1)

Jaxoreth (208176) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011877)

shit piss cunt fuck cocksucker motherfucker tits

Red Storm Rising (1)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011881)

One of my favorite snippets from Red Storm Rising..

"Let's have an attitude check!"
"I hate this fucking place!"

"Let's have a positive attitude check!"
"I positively hate this fucking place!"

"Let's have a negative attitude check!"
"I can't stand this fucking place!"

"Let's have a short attitude check!"
"Fuck it!"

Another thing (4, Funny)

suv4x4 (956391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21011887)

I found that wrecking stuff is a very good way to relieve stress.

Furthermore, I always thought of punching a client in the face, or nuts, and I think being allowed to do that would definitely help my stress, and the solidarity among me and the rest of the employees.

Stupid @!@#%!# (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011927)

That is the dumbest !@#!@$& thing I have ever heard!

Swearing may bring a group together but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21011977)

If solidarity can be built around shared emotional experience and being intimate and transparent with each other, than perhaps swearing does that to a degree.

In some weird sense, swearing around others probably involves letting your guard down, and accepting each other at a deeper level.

I don't think that means that swearing is the best way to bring about these things. To me, that's like saying that because a death in a family can bring a family together, that we need more deaths to do that.

I think that while swearing may bring some people who don't know each other a little closer together for the reasons I mentioned above, the nature of swearing simply doesn't lead towards a truly happy, contented environment where people are building each other up.

It just makes for an effective dysfunctional family.
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