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Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" Is Out

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the while-it's-hot dept.

Debian 755

Many readers are sending the news that Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon has been released. Download options include mirrors and torrents. Wired has a review based on the release candidate: "Gamers and hardcore media hounds may still feel left out... but we found playing music and watching movies in the new Ubuntu to be every bit as pleasant as it is under OS X or Windows... Wi-Fi, printing, my digital camera and even my iPod all worked immediately after installation — no drivers or other software required... I did have to install additional codecs to get MP3 and Windows Media Audio support."

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755 comments

What? (5, Insightful)

3p1ph4ny (835701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024101)

TFS: hardcore media hounds may still feel left out...

Amarok. There's nothing like it on any other platform.

Re:What? (1)

ben kohler (1109391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024179)

amarok is great, unless you consider "media" to include anything but audio

Re:What? (2, Interesting)

deftcoder (1090261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024197)

Agreed!!

Amarok + www.last.fm account = tons of great music + great music recommendations!

Re:What? (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024567)

Banshee and Rythymbox (the default GNOME app) have Last.fm support

Re:What? (1)

Rhapsody Scarlet (1139063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024395)

Amarok. There's nothing like it on any other platform.
Well not exactly, you can run it on Mac OS X via the X11 layer, and it'll be available for Windows starting with version 2.0.

Re:What? (1, Insightful)

DuncanE (35734) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024419)

Yeah, but what about us gamers. I still boot into windows everyday at home. Most of the time I'm browsing the web (Firefox), playing media (VLC) or using office software (OO), but every day or so I want to start a game (currently Supreme Commander and Company of Heroes). While the browser and the office stuff runs fine under Ubuntu, the games don't.

So while I can compile Kernels and grep across the OS in too many ways to remember... I still boot Windows.

I don't really have a solution. MS seems to have the games all locked up. WINE is making slow inroads but with the arrival of DirectX 10 they are another gen behind.

And why are games REALLY important? Because if I boot to windows then what am I gonna recommend to my family and friends?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024423)

Nothing quite like it.

Except it reminds me too much of iTunes in terms of interface. Don't care for either.

Winamp/XMMS (depending on platform) work quite nicely, have fairly slim requirements as media players go, and IMO, look good without taking up scads of screen real-estate.

Dyslexics question:
Which end is the gust coming out of the gibbon?

IU Mirror (5, Informative)

cow ninja (306125) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024119)

Indiana University's mirror is still going strong:
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu-releases/7.10 [iu.edu]
- or -
http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/ [iu.edu] (separate server)

Ubuntu release days are fun for mirror operators. It lets us test our hardware and bandwidth.

(Internet2 connected)

Re:IU Mirror (4, Funny)

DaveCar (189300) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024259)

Indiana University's mirror is still going strong:

Not for long ...

Re:IU Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024281)

If I go to the first link I get between 5-8M/s download speed, from the second link I only get between 60k to 120k (average probably 80k) download speed, (I'm at a University that is connected to Internet2 and my current computer is connected at 1Gb to our campus network.) I'm sticking with the first link.

Re:IU Mirror (1)

nfsilkey (652484) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024625)

iu.edu doesnt appear to grok I2 (at least from what hops are returned in traceroutes from utexas.edu to iu.edu).

Re:IU Mirror (1)

BacOs (33082) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024673)

That's odd, considering the Abeline NOC is at IUPUI (Indiana University/Purdue University at Indianapolis) in Indianapolis.

Re:IU Mirror (1)

Moixa (1045566) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024439)

YEAH LET'S SLASHDOT THEM so nobody can download Gutsy

release notes (4, Informative)

balster neb (645686) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024515)

Unfortunately the summary doesn't link to a good list of features.

The release notes for the beta version give a good overview of what you can expect:

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta [ubuntu.com]

With 3D desktop effects and NTFS write support enabled by default, and fast user switching and improved X configuration, this is one of the most significant Ubuntu releases in a while.

Internet traffic spike (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024139)

Looks like big sections of the various Internet backbones are going to be saturated for a couple days :-/

Re:Internet traffic spike (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024185)

Even the torrent tracker appears to be down.. gentlemen, is this the first time a tracker has been slashdotted? Or is it just down anyway?

7.2Gbps via official torrents (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024305)

I did some calculations from the torrent tracker statistics page [ubuntu.com]

Over the first 3 minute sample I took, I calculated total torrent pool bandwidth at 6.5Gbps (gigabits per second).

About 10 minutes later (as of right now) I completed a 5 minute sample and calculated the bandwidth usage to be 7.2Gbps.

The tracker is going up and down a fair bit under the load, but those statistics should be fairly indicative of the number of people downloading Gutsy Gibbon via the official torrents.

Just do .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024145)

sudo update-manager -d

to upgrade.

Re:Just do .... (1)

adyroman (878107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024163)

That's probably going to work relatively slowly now, bittorent should be a better alternative for both users and mirror admins.

Re:Just do .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024283)

yea ... it is showing ~ 12 hours to completion.

But it does give a nice GUI automated upgrade path.

I am in no rush, just work away while it happens in the background.

Debian package management at it's best.

Re:Just do .... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024393)

I wonder if it would be a good idea to build the torrent protocol into the Debian package management ? That way we could get the best of both worlds, fast download on days like these and and great package management.

Re:Just do .... (1)

LuckyStarr (12445) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024683)

Now that would be neat.

Re:Just do .... (0)

ericrost (1049312) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024165)

I know there are a lot of people who did, because I was d/l'ing some packages this morning to install a plugin and getting shit for throughput from canonical's repos.

Re:Just do (n00b question).... (2, Interesting)

AnonymousJackass (849899) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024329)

Please bear with me -- I'm still on the Ubuntu learning curve... If I do as you suggest there, will that upgrade my "Feisty" to "Gutsy Gibbon" without losing my files, accounts, directory structure, etc? Will I need to reinstall video drivers and reconfigure my screen resolution settings again? (The latter was a real headache the first time around...) I can't find a straight-forward answer anywhere.

Re:Just do (n00b question).... (1)

BZWingZero (1119881) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024397)

In all likelyhood you shouldn't need to. Accounts and directory structure will carry over with the dist update. You may need to redo the video drivers and reconfigure the screen resolution. Before upgrading back up your xorg.conf. Gutsy does have much better GUI-based tools for configuring screen resolution than any of it's predecessors. Upgrade when update manager tells you there is a new distro available instead of downloading the disk and doing a clean install. It will make transferring everything like the accounts easier.

Re:Just do (n00b question).... (1)

Tteddo (543485) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024435)

Actually the real update command is gksu update-manager --dist-upgrade

Re:Just do (n00b question).... (1)

BZWingZero (1119881) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024693)

"gksu update-manager -d" works as well.

Re:Just do (n00b question).... (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024627)

Yes. I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy Tribe (alpha) 5 and it was near-flawless. I assume going straight to the final version works as well.

Re:Just do .... (1, Troll)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024421)

Do you really need to enter the command line to simply upgrade without downloading the ISO? If so I have my doubts as to how newbie friendly Ubuntu truly is.

Re:Just do .... (2, Informative)

websitebroke (996163) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024479)

In Xubuntu:

Applications->System->Upgrade Manager

Click on upgrade distribution.

Done.

Re:Just do .... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024541)

No. It'll pop up with an automatic "distro upgrade" notice from time to time. All the user has to do is click and then type in their password.

Re:Just do .... (2, Informative)

notthe9 (800486) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024665)

Do you really need to enter the command line to simply upgrade without downloading the ISO? If so I have my doubts as to how newbie friendly Ubuntu truly is.


Nope. The update-manager app can do it, and can be launched from menus. Further, if you have it looking for updates automatically it will tell you that you have something by showing up in the system tray, and offer you to click a button to upgrade to the new release if you care to.

That being said, being able to click a button somewhere to upgrade your operating system isn't much of a requirement for user-friendliness. If someone is very clumsy with computers, there's no harm in staying with 7.04. I've seen the Ubuntu community gladly help people running versions 2.5 years old. If it ain't broke, no need to fix it.

Re:Just do .... (1)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024677)

No you don't. I did the last update through 'Synaptic Package Manager', it's basically a GUI for apt-get. Most 'hardcore' Linux people will ignore a GUI if there is a perfectly good command line for it. So when you ask how to do something you get a quick command and not how to find the GUI. On that note I welcome the graphical editor for xorg.conf with this version of Ubuntu

New logo? (5, Funny)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024225)

Hey!

I didn't know that Ubuntu's new logo was a red spiral!

Re:New logo? (1)

Parag2k3 (1136791) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024317)

Go go Debian based distro!

Re:New logo? (2, Informative)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024371)

Ubuntu is a shoot off of Debian. Debian's logo is a red spiral. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LinuxDistroTimeline.png [wikipedia.org] A fun little history lesson.

Re:New logo? (5, Funny)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024563)

Joke ->   *

You ->    O
         /|\
          /\

The summary contradicts itself (5, Insightful)

GPS Pilot (3683) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024227)

If you have to install additional software to get MP3 support, the music-playing experience is, almost by definition, not as pleasant as it is under OS X.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (5, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024285)

Well, that is the price you pay for living in a country where software patents are allowed. MP3 is a patented format, so you can never truly listen to an MP3 for free. Part of the cost of Mac OS X is MP3 support, same for Windows Vista. A Linux distro can never distribute software that requires royalties, and so, technically, no Linux distro can legally distribute MP3 software in the US.

Lucky for you, there is Ogg Vorbis, which is technically superior to MP3 anyway, in terms of quality per byte.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024359)

Lucky for you, there is Ogg Vorbis, which is technically superior to MP3 anyway, in terms of quality per byte.

Betamax was technically superior to VHS. How much good did that do the people who bought Betamax VCRs?

Re:The summary contradicts itself (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024427)

A lot of good, actually. Until Betamax stopped being produced.

Really though, I doubt that Vorbis is going to go the way of Betamax. PNG is a case-in-point: it was created for the same reasons Vorbis was created, and it remains a widely used format (and it is technically superior to GIF).

Re:The summary contradicts itself (0)

Rhapsody Scarlet (1139063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024527)

Betamax was technically superior to VHS. How much good did that do the people who bought Betamax VCRs?
Your analogy fails at the point where you mention people who 'bought' Betamax VCRs. You don't pay for a Vorbis codec, therefore it's a zero-risk thing, making it more likely to succeed.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024379)

A Linux distro can never distribute software that requires royalties, and so, technically, no Linux distro can legally distribute MP3 software in the US.

This is quite simply not true. There is no reason why a Linux distribution cannot contain a disc of non-free software to supplement the free stuff, as SuSE did the last time I bought a box.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (2, Informative)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024481)

And probably part of the cost involved licenses for mp3. The question is, will canonical at some point in the future buy a license for everyone who downloads Ubuntu. How much would something like that cost?

Re:The summary contradicts itself (2, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024487)

That disc is not a part of the distro -- it isn't on the distribution disc, and that disc cannot ship as part of a GPL package. It is common to maintain non-free repositories (Livna, for example) or sell non-free add-ons (as Mandriva does), but they must remain separate from the distro itself (Red Hat is so worried about legal trouble from Livna that they don't even officially mention it, and it is hosted in France). The GPP's point was that he had to go and install extra software to get MP3 support; getting a non-free disc from Novell counts as installing extra software. The system doesn't have MP3 support out-of-the-box, and it cannot, until the MP3 patents expire.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (1)

notamisfit (995619) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024583)

They don't *have* to be separate from the distro -- that whole "mere aggregation" thing.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024523)

He should have said "make redistributable" instead of "distribute".

Re:The summary contradicts itself (1)

dns_server (696283) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024483)

There are 3 distributions with LEGAL mp3 support mepis, linspire and suse (not sure about open suse), there may be more.

These distributions are legal as they do license the patents which can be done by everyone if they choose to pay for it. There is also the legal option of getting mp3 support from fluendo who also has payed the license fees and allows you to download support for free.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (4, Insightful)

Tim C (15259) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024505)

A Linux distro can never distribute software that requires royalties
Not true, there are a number of options:
1) Charge for the version of the distro that includes the software, pay the licence fee to the licensor, disallow redistribution of the licensed code
2) Give the distro away for free, pay the licence fee to the licensor, disallow redistribution of the licensed code
3) Reimplement the required code, distribute only in countries with a more enlightened attitude towards software patents (eg the EU)

Lucky for you, there is Ogg Vorbis, which is technically superior to MP3 anyway, in terms of quality per byte.
Superior or not, that doesn't help me with all the music I have in mp3 (and no, I'm not about to re-rip it).
The OP's point is valid - the experience is not as good out of the box as that of OS X or Windows, with regards to music playing.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (0)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024637)

"1) Charge for the version of the distro that includes the software, pay the licence fee to the licensor, disallow redistribution of the licensed code
2) Give the distro away for free, pay the licence fee to the licensor, disallow redistribution of the licensed code"

OK, you do that, and if the FSF has no problem with you doing it, then I'll be surprised. You could include it as an extras disc or repo, but not as part of the distribution itself. You cannot make a Linux distro with non-redistributable code included in it, that is the point of the GPL. If you could do such a thing, then Microsoft would be distributing GNU code with Windows, overtly, and just demanding that you not redistribute Microsoft's code. Microsoft does make an add-on calls "services for UNIX," that includes GPL code, but you have to obtain it separately.

"Superior or not, that doesn't help me with all the music I have in mp3 (and no, I'm not about to re-rip it)."

Lucky for you, oggenc and mpg123 can be used to re-encode your music. Actually, you might want to do this anyway, to free up some disc space (I am in the process, because my disc is beginning to get a bit full).

"The OP's point is valid - the experience is not as good out of the box as that of OS X or Windows, with regards to music playing."

No, that is not true, because out of the box, Windows doesn't have ogg support, so my collection of ogg-encoded music would be difficult to play. Not sure about OS X's ogg support, so I won't comment on it, but it really depends on how your music in encoded. By the way, Wikipedia distributes its media content in Vorbis format, so if you are using a system without Vorbis support, your use of Wikipedia is diminished (this is remedied by the Java media player, of course).

Re:The summary contradicts itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024619)

Funny how Gentoo has no problems with MP3 support. There are plenty of MP3 applications in Portage.

Gentoo, unlike other distributions, actually has testicles.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (5, Informative)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024493)

If you have to install additional software to get MP3 support, the music-playing experience is, almost by definition, not as pleasant as it is under OS X.
On Ubuntu it takes about 2-3 clicks the first time you try to play an MP3 (and no additional clicks afterwards). Might not be as 'pleasant' as no clicks, but completely negligible.

What still is an issue is DVD encryption. Sadly DeCSS can't be legally obtained in the US. Much as I am opposed to software patents, some practical solution needs to be given, while we continue to struggle to change the patent system. Paying a few bucks for legal DVD playback in the US seems the only feasible option at this point, and Ubuntu should facilitate this somehow, if only by providing links to third parties that provide this service (e.g. Fluendo I believe were working on this).

Re:The summary contradicts itself (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024641)

Often the Linux community tries to push the open source equivalent on you, ogg. However, with a little bit of time you can find so many alternatives, that the problem becomes information overload, since its all free, I'll take the little bit of frustration, inorder to find the "product" closest to my wish list. Kudos to the Ubuntu distro team, even our head of IT at work (3000 employees), says if he was to replace windows on the enterprise it would be with Ubuntu.

Re:The summary contradicts itself (0)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024651)

Oh noes! I might have to perform an extra step to download some codecs via a very helpful wizard to listen to all my stolded musics! It's tooooo haaaarrrrddd!!!

Sheesh, can ya find something a bit more relevant to complain about?

Re:The summary contradicts itself (2, Informative)

lazy-ninja (1061312) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024685)

Yes, but you try to open an MP3 and it immediately asks "hey do you want codecs so you can play these?"

You click yes, it does some quick downloads for you and off you go.

Seems painless to me. I would rather "pay" a few seconds of my time than $$ for bundling it the OS.

Ob: Bittorrent (5, Informative)

spikedvodka (188722) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024231)

As always people... Don't use the download link from the main page. spend the extra time to get a .torrent like [URL:http://ubuntu.gds.tuwien.ac.at/cdimage/releases/gutsy/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent]

Currently: 1938 seeds, 4389 peers. and it's going *very* quickly.

Re:Ob: Bittorrent (1)

deftcoder (1090261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024383)

Rraaaaaaah! I just finished installing Debian stable ( + full-encrypted disk :o ) again on my laptop.

I was actually going to download Ubuntu, since I like to keep a livecd handy for fixing people's comps, but decided to hold off for Gutsy. I prefer Debian to Ubuntu, personally. :P

I guess I'll install ktorrent now and let her rip. Thanks for the link!

Re:Ob: Bittorrent (1)

ch0ad (1127549) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024403)

i would but deluge has a nasty bug causing it to max out one core of my cpu :( i cba to set up another client just for this, as as soon as it's downloaded my system will be wiped!

Has support from Dell and Novell (5, Interesting)

ZipprHead (106133) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024243)

I'm actually really excited about this. We've got a demo running here. We installed it on a two year old notebook and everything just worked. Pointed Evolution [gnome.org] to our Exchange server, and it just worked. Which IMHO is key, I love to hack things just as much as the next guy, but if I have to hack things just to get them to work the first time, its a major turn off.

It's got a slick UI and the package manager is well done.

Add in support from Dell [dell.com] .

All that is missing now is a really awesome developer environment [microsoft.com] .

Re:Has support from Dell and Novell (5, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024347)

"All that is missing now is a really awesome developer environment."

I would just cite emacs, but since you seem to be interested in something more...graphical...I'll just list these three:

* Eclipse [eclipse.org]

* KDevelop [kdevelop.org]

* Netbeans [netbeans.org]

Re:Has support from Dell and Novell (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024509)

I'm using Eclipse with CDT to write some C++, but it's "code completion" broke almost immediately and now not only doesn't offer completion, but sometimes offers completely wrong things. It can't jump to function defined in the very same file, can't do that from simple right click, it's message parsing is a bit weird (I had to read whole error from GCC myself to find out what is wrong) etc.
Definitely not comparative to VS.

Re:Has support from Dell and Novell (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024695)

Well, admittedly, I don't really like Eclipse. For Java/EJB, I would go with Netbeans, and for just about anything else, its Emacs or KDevelop (KDevelop for Qt, GTK, or wx projects, especially if those projects are fairly large).

Re:Has support from Dell and Novell (1)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024447)

if I have to hack things just to get them to work the first time

Thats the same problem I have with my wife.

Re:The important things in life (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024257)

Meh. I'm eagerly awaiting the 'Destitute Dyke' RC2.

Good (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024269)

It's been reasonably stable[1] for me recently. The ra2500 wifi pretty much just works. The printer pretty much just works, the apps pretty much just work.

To be honest I'd forgotten all about it, it just gets out of the way (unlike Windows) I think they're really into usability tweaking and performance optimisation territory.

In particular the Window List. I use mine in a vertical panel rather than the more traditional horizontal panel and someone's mucked about with it so that it flips to two columns as soon as I have 8 apps open whether all the space is used or not. Well, this is Linux, people 8 is nothing, I often have 20, 30 apps running...

[1] Where reasonable is defined as 3 nines.

Re:Good (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024713)

It's been reasonably stable[1] for me recently.

It was for me, too... up until about a week ago, when gdm started crashing repeatedly on boot. I now have it disabled, and must startx manually. 'course, I can't find any mention of anyone else encountering this, and I haven't noticed any updates to gdm or X lately, so I have no idea if it's fixed, yet.

October 18? (1)

SpiritGod21 (884402) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024291)

I've been running Gutsy for a month now (alpha, obviously). If you're trying to decide whether to upgrade or not, I can vouch that it is quite shiny (though the GUI for dual-monitor support fails with my work desktop's ATI card, unsurprisingly). I'm really liking it.

That being said, I've got OpenSUSE 10.3 on my work tablet and it has been fantastic. October's the new nerd-Christmas!

The Linux revolution has already happened... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024295)

No, there won't be a Linux revolution, we're already past that, thankfully. I think with ~15% of marketshare (yeah, we're nowhere near that, but we will) it will be much harder for Microsoft to continue with their lock-in plans. We are at a point where Linux spreads itself, now we only need to encourage the gamedevs to use OpenGL and the _use whatever OS floats your boat era_ is becoming a reality.

More interestingly, (0, Offtopic)

empaler (130732) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024303)

The Postal Movie premiered today. Yay Uwe!

Re:More interestingly, (1)

phobos13013 (813040) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024429)

I take it yr story got rejected...

Don't download the new Ubuntu... (5, Funny)

JK_the_Slacker (1175625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024315)

THINK OF THE CHAIRS!

MythTV Related Question (0, Offtopic)

dyslexicbunny (940925) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024369)

I'm not really a Linux user but I was building a tivo box and the /. talk on Ubuntu spurred me to give it a shot (I like it a lot). I saw how much easier it is to install remotes in Gusty than in Feisty (not as terminal heavy, a preference thing). But how easy is it to get digital cable boxes integrated and working? I have digital cable and getting that working is a big thing for me.

I think I've got everything in Feisty where it needs to be but I just have to bum the coax to test if it works tonight. Otherwise, I'll have to try to figure it out. There's the guide [ubuntu.com] on adding the DCT700 remote but it looks like I'll have to use the Comcast remote and I'd rather use the MCE remote that came with the Hauppauge card (thinking beyond Comcast).

Re:MythTV Related Question (1)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024537)

I have digital cable and getting that working is a big thing for me.
If you're only using the unecrypted digital cable, the HD-5000 [cyberestore.com] might suit your needs. Its supported by the Kernel (i.e no drivers / compiling), but will only receive unencrypted QAM from your cable provider.

If you're using Digital Cable with encrypted content (i.e a premium package), you'll obviously need to retain your cable box (and receive the video into your mythtv with a PVR-150 or similar), and can control your cable box by various means - IR Blaster, Firewire, Serial cable etc.. Search the mythtv forums [mythtv.org] to see which is easiest and best.

The MCE remote [newegg.com] works well under LIRC, and is easy to setup.

Feisty Doesn't Know (0, Redundant)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024405)

How come my Feisty (Ubuntu v7.04) update-manager doesn't know that there's a new distro upgrade available? There should be an icon in my Desktop panel offering a 1-click upgrade if I want.

I think it's weird that all the different apps, especially OS supporting apps, that are upgraded in the new release aren't demanding to be upgraded, even retaining the previous OS version without upgrading it, if dependencies allow (which is usually mostly the case for most apps that don't depend on a new kernel or something).

The Ubuntu upgrade system should offer steady upgrades between milestone OS releases, as it does, but much steadier. The OS release date should be more a convenient watermark, a snapshot with more through testing that developers use as a target, rather than an exclusive release that leaves users of previous OS version behind.

Re:Feisty Doesn't Know (1)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024513)

Could it be waiting a few days until its servers aren't quite so heavy with people downloading the ISO?

Re:Feisty Doesn't Know (1)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024577)

I believe the command is "sudo update-manager -d" The -d will look to update the distro, and give you the button.

Re:Feisty Doesn't Know (1)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024725)

If you want gutsy apps in feisty, use backports repos.

If you want to update feisty->gutsy, click on the update manager (the orange star on the top right corner),
and then:

click on "New distribution release 7.10 is available ||Upgrade||"

What was your problem exactly?

yawn...... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024409)

yawn...

another convoluted, confused and in the end, useless linux distro. another name to befuddle the non tech heads. Another half and half OS that will never get wide coverage.

Dont get me wrong, most of my servers are BSD, but this mass of linux desktop OSes is just a waste of time.

Re:yawn...... (1)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024441)

The strength of linux is diversity. Ubuntu happens to be a desktop oriented OS, you don't need a desktop oriented OS. So, move along.

Re:yawn...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024571)

sadly, the diversity of linux, it's ridiculous nerd names and the lack of standardization ensure that linux distros remain the in the realm of hobbyist.

Seamless on IBM T41 (1)

helixcode123 (514493) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024425)

I installed the release candidate last week on the family T41 laptop. Everything "Just Worked" including sound and wifi. I'm actually thinking of starting to recommend Ubuntu (instead of MAC) to some of my acquaintences that ask my opinion on what to get for their new computer. That said, I'll likely wait for the next LTS (Long Term Support) version due out this spring before upgrading my work laptop though.

Props to Shuttleworth (-1, Troll)

Dark_MadMax666 (907288) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024433)

Yeah he really seem to move forward his little pet project. Something I considere quite a feat . But from practical point of view ... yawn.... I already have all I need from XP, Ubuntu has a loOOoooooooong way to go to even reach that humble benchmark, and it is so for absolute majority of users out there, so all its achivement are sadly irrelevant .

will it wipe my /home? (1)

ch0ad (1127549) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024449)

i have /home on a separate partition... will it wipe my home dir or not if i make a new user with the same name as my current user?

Re:will it wipe my /home? (0, Offtopic)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024507)

Don't know but i may wipe your butt :)

Re:will it wipe my /home? (4, Insightful)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024557)

I'd recommend backing it up regardless of what people say. I've never heard someone complain about having a backup they didn't need, yet I've often heard people complain about not having a backup they needed.

Damn! (5, Funny)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024451)

Damn, and I've only just finished compiling the last... wait. Wrong distro. Sorry.

So what's next? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024467)

Huffy Hummingbird?
Hapless Hookworm?

Re:So what's next? (4, Informative)

LuckyStarr (12445) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024553)

Hardy Heron [ubuntu.com] .

Re:So what's next? (1)

Joeyray (262122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024585)

Hardy Heron

Re:So what's next? (2, Funny)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024661)

Hardy Heron I believe. Sadly it's so intuitive to shorten it to "hardon" that people probably will.

Re:So what's next? (0, Troll)

adyroman (878107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024669)

Horny Hard-on.

Ubuntu or OpenSuse? (1)

adnonsense (826530) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024469)

On my main PC (development / surfstation) I'm currently running Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) which I'm quite happy with, but for various reasons I'm planning to wipe it and install a new distro from scratch. I've been waiting for this Ubuntu release before I make my move, but just recently OpenSuse 10.3 came out and I'm hearing good things of it too. Has anyone tried both and got an opinion?

I'm looking for a distro which will give me a good environment for development in (mainly databases and script languages) while making the "desktop" side of things not too much of a hassle. The development aspect is pretty much distro-agnostic for me (as long as there's a reasonably recent gcc etc. I'm happy); it's more the "user experience" I'm concerned about, because I don't want to spend too much time messing about under the hood getting browser plugins, mp3 codecs etc. etc. working.

Re:Ubuntu or OpenSuse? (1)

JonJ (907502) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024679)

Yeah, I've tried both. OpenSUSE refused to add update servers, refused to work with my wireless card, and would randomly crash firefox. Whereas both the Fedora 8 Test 3 and Gutsy beta would actually be quite stable compared to the released version of OpenSUSE 10.3.

Seems very newbie friendly (5, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024547)

We've just tried this one out as soon as it was released, and there was quite some differences in installation on our modern laptop hardware compared to 7.04 at least. Proprietary graphics driver installation couldn't really be much easier from what I can see -- besides by making it automatic, but I suppose there are reasons other than technological ones behind that.

After the few guided clicks to get that done, a reboot later and suddenly Compiz was also activated without any user actions needed. Hmm, so how do you configure those 3D effects then? No way we could find, but from reading an online computer magazine, we found out that the Compiz Config Settings Manager wasn't included. We installed that one, and it then integrated nicely into the Desktop Settings as a new "Custom effects" option. Why that one wasn't part of the distro by default is still unknown to us though. It seemed like an obvious choice to let the user customize the window effects?

Otherwise, I think Compiz didn't lag or anything even once when maximizing windows or rotating the desktop, etc, and this was on a laptop without a *that* hot graphics card. So we were impressed about how smooth the UI was. No interruptions from some service suddenly kicking in to work a bit like every user of Vista has no doubt grown used to take for granted by now with the SuperFetch, System Restore, Search Indexer etc services. They seem to kick in at the most inappropriate times -- not even when the computer is idle! Come on! Maybe Ubuntu's new desktop search indexer make it suffer too, but nothing we could see anyway.

After doing this, we unplugged the network card, and voila, it automatically discovered our WLAN. We didn't have to do anything, really.

So let's try open the (already mounted and ready) NTFS drive with Windows Vista on it? Oh, we can simply drag a file there now too -- cool! NTFS-3g apparently installed and ready.

We seemed to have to install Windows Media Audio support though and as we're still quite some Linux amateurs, we have still not got around that part as the work day is over. It's been fun experimenting though, and getting up to date with what a modern "desktop Linux" distro can offer. Looking at the feature list of Ubuntu 7.10 [ubuntu.com] , and summing that one up with the new features of GNOME 2.20 [gnome.org] gives one a mighty impressive list of new features compared to just 6 months ago.

Linux desktop development (GNOME, KDE, desktop distros, ...) really seem to be picking up some pace lately. And we're just months away from KDE 4. This is exciting times to follow for sure, and for the first time I'm starting to become a believer in "Linux on the desktop".

I have some pretty high demands of novice usability though, which makes me hesitate still as for some distros. E.g. SUSE Linux 10.3 had a few quirks on my home stationary computer. Its NVIDIA driver install having me to use the command prompt and special "SUSE for NVIDIA" instructions is unacceptable for amateur usage IMHO, although I finally got it done. It also even failed to install the distro to the hard drive the first time around, because it couldn't mount the SATA drive it had just formatted (??). A reboot, and then it could do it like it was no problem at all. *shrug* That also gave an early feeling of "still aimed for geeks" that I'd so much like it to see it move away from.

But back to Ubuntu 7.10 -- so far no problems here, and I was left with an excitement to play with it more after the day. :-)

Feist + Eye Candy (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024599)

I've been using Ubuntu for a few years now. I think I can safely say that from a user perspective there aren't any major difference between Feisty and Gutsy besides the eye candy. Despite this, I am seriously loving the fact that people are going nuts over how awesome Gutsy is when those same people were meh about Feisty and Linux in general. It just shows that all these people who have been putting down Linux because of its lack of hardware compatability, etc. really just wanted eye candy this whole time. Meanwhile, the real problems with desktop Linux, that they would use as ammo for hate, are as present as ever.

Re:Feist + Eye Candy (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024731)

. I think I can safely say that from a user perspective there aren't any major difference between Feisty and Gutsy besides the eye candy.
We had a better install experience with 7.10 thanks to improved driver support.

Other than that, I'd rate things like NTFS-3g by default and everything that comes with GNOME 2.20 taken together as pretty major. Yes, neither of these are custom coded stuff for Ubuntu, but it will do a big difference to many novice users jumping on the train. And the Ubuntu stuff isn't too bad either, with new printer autoconfiguration, desktop searching, etc. And yes, these are very much from a user perspective.

Coming soon: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21024603)

Coming Soon: Ubuntu 8.04 Horny Hippo.

Have they made it any easier yet to encrypt your (1)

mbrod (19122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024613)

hard drive from the get go?

Live CD works but no Compiz (1)

coolsva (786215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21024727)

Tried this latest release, mainly to check the Compiz window manager. Unfortunately, the live cd does not permit visual options other than the basic. Still does not detect my video card (although did set the correct resolution). Plus, mplayer is not in the default, can only get kmplayer if I want (bummer, I have gnome not KDE) All in all, improved since 7.04 but nothing to write home about
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