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Do OpenOffice Users Save In Microsoft Format?

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the compatibility-or-purity dept.

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superglaze writes "Looking through an article on the smartphone office suite Quickoffice, I noted a claim by a company executive that OpenOffice users usually save their documents in a Microsoft format, e.g. .doc. Hence the company has no plans to support .odf. I guess I can see the rationale for this — it helps if you're sending a document to an MS-using company — but what's this community's general experience of saving in .odf vs. .doc format?"

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Count at least ONE who doesnt. (3, Insightful)

DaedalusHKX (660194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026727)

Been saving in ODT, PDF and TXT for ages... add HTML to that.

Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (0, Offtopic)

Foldarn (1152051) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026783)

*OFF TOPIC* but your sig isn't the right quote. The last 2 words are "You dig."

Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (1, Funny)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027103)

It's "Digg"

Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (1)

DaedalusHKX (660194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027115)

True, haven't watched the movie in years, but just went and checked. You're right. Thanks for reminding me to fix it. There, fixed.

Count Two (3, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026863)

I stick to OOo's default format no matter what.

If I'm in the position of being able to return a .doc and call the shots, I return it as an ODF and tell them to get I've made numerous switchers that way, all but one of whom thanked me for it.

Re:Count Two (5, Insightful)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027131)

pretty sure you're full of it, man. IF you already had office paid for, why would you want openoffice? I think openoffice is excellent, but when I gave up on Office 2007, I installed Office 2003.

If some moron told me to install an entire office program (A sluggish one that cloned the one I already have, at that), I would email his boss and ask for the correct file format. It's common sense. IF you abuse your position to have people install redundant software, you probably won't be in that position for very long. It's like sending your files in Spanish. .doc is the format of business.

Microsoft has a stranglehold, but it's on a dinosaur. Software like this should not be locally installed, it should be online so you can easily collaborate. Beating Microsoft by copying them is silly because they will always be a step ahead.

Re:Count Two (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027239)

Good thing I'm an engineer, the format of engineering is PDF.

How much piss can I consume without getting sick? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21026911)

"Piss is actually quite safe to drink," says Dr. W. H., "assuming the person making the piss has healthy kidneys and isn't dripping with the clap." But isn't piss a waste product, packed with stuff your body wants to be rid of? "The production of urine begins with an ultrafiltration of the blood by the nephrons in the kidney, which contain superteeny openings that let only the smallest molecules through. This means that bacteria and viruses are rarely seen [in urine]--HIV and hepatitis viruses are pretty much a nonissue as long as the kidneys are in good working order."

But quite safe doesn't mean totally safe.

"All bets are off if you're drinking the piss of someone who's got horrendous kidneys," Dr. W. H. adds. "The biggest danger would be drinking urine from someone with an infection that's living downstream from the kidneys, such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, or some type of bladder infection."

Presuming you're drinking a healthy person's piss, how much is too much? "There have been cases of people dying because they drank gallons and gallons of water incredibly quickly and diluted their electrolytes to the point of cardiac arrest," says Dr. W. H. "However, that's sort of a risk that's inherent in any liquid, and not really unique to urine."

Another thing for piss guzzlers to consider: "Certain small molecules are concentrated in the urine," says Dr. W. H. "Such as [trace amounts of] drugs, recreational and otherwise." I've heard from clean-and-sober piss drinkers who lost their jobs after testing positive for drugs their sex partners were taking, SC, so if you have a job that requires regular drug testing, or if you're Britney Spears, you might want to date straight-edge piss tops exclusively.

"If you know your partner and you're both healthy," Dr. W. H. concluded, "guzzle all the piss you want. If you're hooking up with strangers and you're not sure what's coming out of his dick or her twat, then you're asking for it."

'.doc' is not a single format (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21026917)

'.doc' is a whole shitload of different formats, some very differentm some only a little different. However, it is because of the differences that sales for new versions of MS Office are driven. If the old programs could read the new formats, then we wouldn't have that problem. Why else do you think that MS Offfice 2007 munges your old files [] ?

If MS published the specs for the old binary formats, we wouldn't ahve that problem either. Or if MS Office supported an open format like OpenDocument we wouldn't have that problem.

The way off the treadmill is openformats [] even for MS Office.

Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (4, Insightful)

seanellis (302682) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026999)

I save ODF locally, PDF if someone else needs to print it, RTF if I need to send it to someone to edit, DOC if I need hell to freeze over.

(OT: Has everyone seen the new Open Rights Group T-shirts?)

Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (1, Funny)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027195)

I save in .doc only if I got the document in .doc, and then not always. Any new document I save in .odf. I normally send .odf documents by email, and when somebody tells me "I can't open it" I send them this link. []

Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (5, Funny)

Skevin (16048) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027225)

I use .odf when I'm feeling vindictive. Sometimes, a company will send me an email, whose entire body is otherwise stored in a .doc file, when it could have otherwise fit in just the regular body. I re-save the document as an .odf, make my changes or answer their questions, and then send it back to them.


Re:Count at least ONE who doesnt. (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027243)


You can have a pretty fine document in just rich text. And it's tiny too.

Saving (1)

Walpurgiss (723989) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026739)

Unless I know I'm going to have to open a document at school in one of the labs where they forced everyone to Office 2007, I don't bother changing the file format OO.o saves as. Whether that's odf or some other format I don't really know. But for me, as long as I can open it I don't bother to look and see how it was saved unless I know I need it a certain way, in which case I can just save as.

Users are lazy (4, Interesting)

Darth Muffin (781947) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027073)

My users at least are lazy. They'll just save it in whatever format the software defaults to. They don't know or care about different document formats, they just know they "do this to open a document", "do that to save it", etc. Windows explorer defaults to hiding document extensions, so why should they even bother learning? Default it to save to MS office format and you'll save headaches since it will "just work" when they email it to someone.

Re:Saving default (1)

lfp98 (740073) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027295)

If you open a .doc file and edit it, the default in openoffice is to save it as .doc, so no big surprise a lot of things get saved as .doc. I tried to change this and could not find a way to do it.

Sadly, yes (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026751)

Interchangeability is important. The .doc and other formats replaced WordPerfect and .rtf standards as de facto interchange formats. That's what happens when you use software that monopolized a market.

Re:Sadly, yes (1)

Stripe7 (571267) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026871)

I usually save in the default openoffice format, if I have to send it to work export it into MS format and send it in as the office is based on MS products.

Re:Sadly, yes (1)

samsonov (581161) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026933)

I have had to use mainly .doc (and .pdf on occasion) in writer, .xls and .ppt too. It is mainly because a lot of clients I deal with don't have oo.

Re:Sadly, yes (1)

HartDev (1155203) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026967)

I am hoping that by working with OO that we could start telling our clients to just download and use and save hundreds of dollars by not using MS office.

Don't give in! (4, Insightful)

epiphani (254981) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026981)

Interchangeability is important. The .doc and other formats replaced WordPerfect and .rtf standards as de facto interchange formats.

I save in .odf, and when I need to distribute documents, I export the docs to PDF. They're clean and easy to read, and the export is very accurate. PDF is also basically universally supported.

The MS formats are so particular that the given version of office that people are using will maul my document. OO exports to PDF well, I dont need to check on it.

Re:Don't give in! (5, Insightful)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027155)

PDF is basically universally supported... for reading.

If you need to exchange documents with someone that needs to edit them, PDF is not an option.

Re:Sadly, yes (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027097)

I usually save it in whatever format I got it. So, that is .doc more often than not. Why convert? If I create something I save it in the default OO format, but that is rare. But it makes you wonder if the "survey" is a lot of people saving modified .doc files.

Save in ODF (2, Interesting)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026757)

Honestly I always save in ODF on my MAC and then just convert to whatever I need to when I need to send a file to someone else. I get people asking for PDF or Word so it's easiest if I save as ODF and convert from there rather than saving as WORD and losing some of my formatting to convert to something else.

I save in ODF (1, Funny)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026763)

If the receiver don't know how to handle this, I send them in PDF, and if they want a editable format, I point them on web site and call them to install it. If they incist for .doc document, I tell them that this format have too much security problem and I can't send them in this format, and since I'm working in Computer Security Management, they believe me :-).

Re:I save in ODF (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21026869)


MOD PARENT UP! (1, Insightful)

businessnerd (1009815) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027185)

Please mod parent up. The GP needs to stop smelling his own farts.

As for me, when I was in college, I always saved as ODF unless I knew the document was going to leave my hard drive. If a professor asked for something submitted through e-mail, or if I was collaborating with a peer, I'd convert it. Now that I'm in the working world, I do most work on my work supplied laptop running XP, and most of what I do is very collaborative anyway. At home, for personal use, it's ODF all the way. My fiance, who is now a linux and OO.o user, always saves as ODF, unless the circumstances demand an alternate format.

ODF for me, DOC for thee (3, Interesting)

Craig Maloney (1104) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026765)

I save my items internally in ODF format, but if I have to send something to another person without OO.o, I need to save it in .doc format. Honestly, if someone could convince the world that ODF is an acceptable format, I'd love to save the step.

Re:ODF for me, DOC for thee (4, Interesting)

Erioll (229536) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026865)

I have my "editable" one in the native format, and just do a "save as" for .doc if I'm sending it to someone. Then unfortunately I need to go re-open my actual .odf file, which is a pain.

Honestly, what I'd like (and might be available, I haven't looked) is the option to automatically save in multiple formats whenever you push the save key. If it automatically "worked" in .odf, but was always exporting along the way to both .doc and .pdf, that'd be ideal for me.

Re:ODF for me, DOC for thee (1)

Azarael (896715) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026949)

Same here. Additionally, I deal with a lot of large spreadsheets and the odf version is often %50 smaller so the first thing I do with these is ditch .xls.

Re:ODF for me, DOC for thee (1)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027153)


I could be a dick and send them .odf knowing they don't have it and don't want it. But I just send .doc to save time.

Pushing OO is great when people don't have microsoft office to begin with, but once they have it, they don't want to try it.

Re:ODF for me, DOC for thee (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027277)

ODF for me, DOC for thee

Sounds vaguely familiar. Isn't that the one that begins "Had we but world enough, and time," or maybe the one about "Bare ruined choirs, where late the sweet birds sang"?

Neither....PDF! (1)

microTodd (240390) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026781)

I don't save in either with Writer. I save in PDF. That way ANYONE can open my document, no matter who they are

Re:Neither....PDF! (4, Insightful)

Marcion (876801) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026837)

I also do PDF quite bit, it also makes you look a bit more professional, as PDFs have a nice snobby image.

However, my main format, especially when collaborating is .txt. The best supported open format in the history of computing. Plain Text forever!

Re:Neither....PDF! (2, Insightful)

s.bots (1099921) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026983)

.txt is superb for collaborating, and once all the work is finally done, then you can apply the formatting. All too often you can find yourself dicking around with format because you had to save an unfinished document with formatting.

Only the clueless ones do (1)

Werrismys (764601) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026785)

Since .doc etc are undocumented closed pieces of crap, one risks losing anything from formatting to everything when using them. So, use ODF until the need arises to send the file as attachment or such (and in that scenario PDF is a better choice).

Depends what the document is for (1)

Kleedrac2 (257408) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026793)

If it's for personal use .odf ... if I'm sending it to someone via email/web it's .pdf ... only if I'm receiving, editing, then replying do I leave a document in the .doc format (ie - I never generate .doc ... I do pass them back if that's how they come to me.) As for these "statistics" which tell us we all use .doc I'd say it's just the usual FUD ;)

Depends on the situation (1)

elevtro (1012599) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026795)

For all my personal use I use the .ODF, but if I am sending those documents to other people I will use the format they request, either .doc, .rtf, .txt etc. Sadly to note, I rarely come across other people who request the .odf format.

Yes (1)

mattb112885 (1122739) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026799)

I'm not a company exec but I used to use Open Office for writing progress reports to send to my research mentor. When I used it I had to save everything as .doc files because Open Office can read Doc files but Word (which my mentor, and seemingly everyone else in the world, as much as I'd like that to change) can't read open document files, at least not word 2003. I ended up giving up on Open Office because when I tried to convert files with equations (needed for the progress reports) into .doc format, the equations did not transfer, and I couldn't find a way to fix it.

Re:Yes (3, Insightful)

Falstius (963333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027069)

What makes this even worse is the abominable equation editors that are used with word. At school here they've made it even worse by installing MathType for equations in word, which is even worse to use and not even compatible with the built in equation editor so I can't edit the equations at home even using MS Office.

I don't use OpenOffice because it is free, I use it because it is better.

Open Oriface Users Don't Do Anything (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21026803)

What are they going to save, their rants about how OO is just as good as Office?

Open Source is for complainers.

Microsoft is for doers.

Suck it hippies.

I do (0, Redundant)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026807)

I use .doc (MS) and .rtf (if you need to ask...) for all of my stuff, as those are the most widly supported.

So far, OO only seems to have problem with font size of superscripted items, and page margin sizes.

Re:I do (1)

Paradigm_Complex (968558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027029)

Back in the day when I used Windows, I tried to open a .doc in MS Word only to find it.. didn't go. Seems the .doc was made by a newer version of Word than what I had. From that day forward I used .rtf for 90% of my documents. It gets everything done I find I may need and is supported by pretty much every "advanced" word processor out there. All the text documents I've got saved over the years from school and the like are in .rtf. If you need a more complex format and appreciate the whole open concept, ODF fits the bill, but for the most part I don't understand why .rtf's are so rare. The only time I use .doc is when I'm sending it to someone who requires .doc for the sake of .doc, even if they're office suite supports .rtf fine. I've submitted .rft's to completely computer illiterate teachers who double click on them, and ta-da it opens in MSWord just as well as it would have as a .doc... but it also opens in abiword, OOo and anything else you'd care to use. Rich Text Format kicks ass.

It depends (1)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026811)

I save my own stuff in odf. I save to .doc if I need to send someone in my department (computer science... yes, even here) something they need to edit, and otherwise I send people a pdf.

my experiences (2, Interesting)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026813)

When I installed it for someone who was too cheap to pay the ridiculous $175 fot Office 2003, I got a call real quick when they brought a "powerpoint" project to school that was saved in non-microsoft format and it ruined their whole presentation. They weren't very happy. If more people supported it, it wouldn't be a problem. If Microsoft would quit being jerks about it and supported opening open formats that Open Office uses, that would be ever better!

Re:my experiences (2, Interesting)

mpapet (761907) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027203)

That's funny because I had a presentation go horribly wrong when I opened the presentation in the customer's office and Office 2003 needed to download new features to open the presentation. Their IT man wasn't in the office that day. Killed a few trees with that presentation.

Lesson #1: Microsoft's Office suite has as many gotchas as

Lesson #2: Don't ever trust your potential customer when they tell you, "Don't worry we've got all that.."

And they are the reason (4, Insightful)

John Jamieson (890438) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026815)

It is software companies like this that force us to save in MS formats!

depends... (1)

dkd903 (1156359) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026817)

back in college, everyone in the editorial team uses ms`s products, so I have to save my write-ups in .doc but the thing which I should mention her is that the same write-up is saved by me in .odf too coz the odf file goes to the website admin of the college who then publishes the write-up online, all text files being in odf format. PS: the spell check of firefox doesnt recognise doc as a spell mistake whereas it recognises odf as a spell mistake. this I just noticed.

Unless I have an explicit reason (1)

wtansill (576643) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026821)

I use the native Open Office formats. If I have to send something to someone else, I usually dump a PDF. I've not saved a file in a .doc or .xls format for quite some time now. I'll save to a .doc file if and only if the receiver has an explicit requirement for that.

.DOC (4, Insightful)

GWLlosa (800011) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026823)

I have and use OpenOffice, but frequently wind up writing stuff that I'm going to want to send to a friend or allow him to grab off my share or whatnot. Rather than dick around with the whole format thing, its easier to just use .doc. Saves time and hassle.

you can't always edit .doc (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027269)

MS Windows often cannot edit OO .docs properly, particularly the embedded pictures. I used to store OO in .doc, but I am now tending towards .odt. I send out pdfs most of the time.

If a Windows user wants to edit my .odt files they can just load OO: no big ask!

ODF-only here (2, Insightful)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026839)

Finished documents are sent in PDF format. Internal documents are strictly ODF.

I only send a .doc when I absolutely need some MS vict^H^H^H^Huser to contribute to the document.

And, even then, only when I can't make him/her install OpenOffice.

that is nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21026841)

I send the Document in .pdf when i do something like that. And otherwise I ofcourse use the native openoffice format - why should I Im-/Export into other File Formats?

The better question - where does such a Company get its knowledge from? A MS Partnering Consulting Firm?

Good laugh for my evening ...

And why should a simple user without much knowledge have the insight to even use some export functions instead of saving in a native format of the application he uses? The whole article seems to be a joke ...

Not me (1)

Steven_M_Campbell (409802) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026857)

I certainly don't save in MS formats except as a way to send said documents to the MS impaired. I've even taken to a habit of sending both to the MS impaired folks just because it's fun to explain to them that the little od? file that is usually 1/10 the size of the MS format contains all the same information and formatting.

Yes (0)

BlowHole666 (1152399) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026883)

I think people save in .doc because most places use that. Now if I am not giving the file to someone else they may still tend to save it as .doc just because you never know how and when you will use that file. Also, the open office format can only be opened by OO. The .doc format can be opened by OO, google's office thing, and anything by MS. Just like you may not always want to save an image file as a uncommon standard but rather opt to save it as common standard (even if it is not an elected standard).

Interopability (2, Interesting)

fredricodagreat (1005203) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026889)

I use it but I save in DOC format. Here's the problem: None of the computers I go to have support for ODF. A document that you can't open is absolutely useless. We live in a Microsoft dominated world and since most businesses use DOC format, that is what we, the users of free office software are stuck using until more support for ODF comes to more computers. With Ubuntu on the rise, this may become more and more common, but as of now, we are pretty much stuck using doc format if we want to open these docs on any but our own.

Re:Interopability (1)

kebes (861706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027241)

Here's the problem: None of the computers I go to have support for ODF.
You may be interested in checking out Portable Apps [] . They have a bunch of open-source apps that have been tuned to work in a "portable" mode, so that you can launch them from a USB key for instance (or running off the network, etc.). For instance you can use a portable version of Firefox and Thunderbird so that your web-browsing preferences and all your email are accessible from any computer.

By carrying a copy of the portable suite [] , you can easily launch OpenOffice on any computer you happen to encounter.

Obviously this isn't a viable option in all cases (e.g. a corporate policy that disables USB ports), but it can be quite useful in many cases (faster than downloading and installing the app just to convert a file).

They pretty much have to... (1)

bushboy (112290) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026923)

Unfortunately, if you are writing a document which is going to be distributed outside of your organisation, you have to.

As much as it would be great if more organisations were using open office, when there's an 99% monopoly, your shooting yourself in the foot if you don't.

Argue till your blue in the face against me here, but you know it's true.

in a word, yes (3, Informative)

kevin.fowler (915964) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026925)

Eveything I need to send document files to uses Word or PDF. Most places I send pr's or ad copy to use the old standby formats. No ODF at the local newspaper yet.

Not me (1)

ericlondaits (32714) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026931)

No way... I've been using Open Office since the start (used Star Office before) and have good reasons not to trust the office compatibility (haven't tried the last version of Open Office, and it might have gotten better, but it'll be a while before I trust it with my information or with my commercial information exchanges).

I use the free Word 97 Viewer (available in MS's site) to view .docs sent to me, and save in propietary formats for storage, and PDF to send over email to other people. When I needed to do colaborative editing of documents (which is not often) I managed to do it with copies of Microsoft Office installed elsewhere or the new Google Docs. If it came to that, I'd install MS Word (which is not *that* expensive by itself) and be done with it.

A friend of mine who also had to use Open Office when he worked with me once figured out that most compatibility problems we had in terms of document layout were due to Open Office assuming different defaults than MS Word for certain things... so, if you explicitly set certain properties you wouldn't normally bother with, your document would look the same when opened in MS Word. However, it's not worth neither the effort nor the risk to do this.

I always save documents in openoffice format. (2, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026971)

If I am sending the document to someone who has explicitly requested the document be the document in Office format, only then will I save in that format (and even then, I still have it saved in openoffice format also, since that will always be my working copy). For all other cases where I am sending, I export to PDF.

Re:I always save documents in openoffice format. (1)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027165)

>For all other cases where I am sending, I export to PDF.

This has a psychological impact on some people. They can't markup your text in their word processor.

.odt or .pdf (1)

eelke_klein (676038) | more than 6 years ago | (#21026975)

All documents at home and at work are saved in .odt. If we need to send something to a customer we send a pdf.

Mostly .odt (1)

glpierce (731733) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027007)

I almost always save in .odt, and if I need to share a document with someone who doesn't have (pretty much everyone), I send them a .pdf. Only on rare occasions, when I need to edit a document on a computer without or on the even rarer occasions that I actually want someone else to edit a document do I save in .doc format. I should note, however, that I also use Word somewhat frequently; when someone sends me a .doc, I'm not interested in dealing with conversion issues, and Word also launches faster on XP. As for spreadsheets, I generally use Excel (sorry, Calc just isn't up to snuff yet).

We used to. (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027037)

Internally we used to default all OO.o installs to save as MSFT formats. we changed that recently.

We changed all internal to OO.o formats and all documents that exit the company must be sent as pdf. we did this for 3 reasons. compatability, security, and simplicity.

compatable. even a solaris machine can display a pdf. simplicity. PDF is actually the most universal document format no matter what Microsoft says.

Security. We had a problem with a salesperson that sent a contract to a client. the client sent it back and accepted it. The salesperson used the file sent back by the customer as the legal document and did not check it for changes. we got SCREWED because the asshole client changed several things silently in their favor.

If we sent them a PDF, they cant play that game as all contracts have to be sent to legal for acceptance as the oridional document format. this solved this problem.

Re:We used to. (1)

claar (126368) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027221)

> If we sent them a PDF, they cant play that game ...

Just don't think that PDFs cannot be modified. The full version of Adobe Acrobat has plenty of editing abilities, not to mention more sophisticated manual shuffling of the bits.

A good way to not piss off Microsoft (1)

Socguy (933973) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027043)

Sounds to me like they don't want to anger the beast. Why else would they want to support a format that hasn't yet been officially accepted as a ISO standard and comes with 5000+ pages of incomplete documentation?

For the record: I save as .odf and I don't give a sh*t if somebody can't figure out how to open them.

Only as a convenience when sharing a document (1)

The Taco Prophet (538981) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027059)

I really only save in .doc format when I'm trying to make things convenient for others who may wish to read it and may not use OpenOffice. And even then, I only offer it as an alternative format in addition to the native OpenOffice format, and I generally include .pdf, .txt, and .html versions of the doc as well.

As a side note (and not particularly relevant, I guess), I use OpenOffice extensively at home, and love it. But I don't use it at work because it and Word don't play nicely together with the community documents that our team maintains. I'm not sure which of the programs is actually to blame, but given that OO.o is the odd man out at work, I have to use Word to update the docs so they don't get mangled. D'oh :(

Only for sharing documents (4, Informative)

56 (527333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027063)

I work at a tech desk at a university library and see a significant number of people who use open office, mainly Mac users. All of the people who have come to the desk with open office issues save in .odf. Their problem is that they want to print at the library, which requires the use of one of our information commons computers and therefore Word. So I have to show them how to save their documents as .doc files in order to load them in Word. None of them knew how to save as a .doc file and only one of them was even aware that open office saved as .odf.

Default to native, export to doc (1)

chrysrobyn (106763) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027071)

I always default to native formats, and export to MS if necessary.

There used to (and may still) be a bug in the OOo spreadsheet, Calc, when it exported to .xls. If I had a cell that calculated a value from another tab that was itself a calculated value that referred to another cell (on any tab, even the current one), that would not export cleanly. When the xls file launched in Excel, it would show "!ERR" or something. If you clicked on the cell, then its equation and hit enter, it would evaluate correctly. It was as if this certain situation was unable to export an initial value for whatever reason. My solution was very inconvenient. I ended up exporting to PDF to get through a meeting, then opening it in Excel and re-executing every affected cell in order to sanitize it for management to be able to dink with the inputs. If I had defaulted to saving in .xls, I would not have been able to take the fast export to PDF to get through that meeting.

Doc here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21027081)

All my clients use Word.

The Peter Principle. (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027085)

Save all my own files in ODF format. Anything I'm sending to someone else goes as PDF or DOC. I suspect pretty much everyone else will do the same. There's that network effect for you.

Of course the executive will only see DOC files, and well, because he's retarded mentally like so many of his ilk, assume that everyone uses DOC for everything.


ODT / PDF (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027095)

ODT for my own rw copy, PDF attachments, homework, etc.

Prefs, in order (1)

jlrowe (69115) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027105)

I have been using OpenOffice for several years now. From before 1.0 anyway.

In order

1. PDF

2. Openoffice ODF

3. MS Office

I do save a lot of files in PDF, from news sources etc.

Save in native formats (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027107)

Save in OpenOffice formats, usually export to PDF, sometimes export to .DOC.

I have a fully licensed copy of Word 97, but haven't bought a Microsoft Office product since then.

some of each (1)

Aram Fingal (576822) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027125)

Like many of the other people responding, I save in different formats, depending on the situation. Often it's ODF for myself and MS Office for a final copy sent to someone else. PDF and HTML certainly have their place as well.

I think ODF is the better archival format because the binary formats of MS Office are not even 100% compatible across different versions of MS Office today. They are convoluted and difficult to support. Microsoft is sure to phase out support eventually. Once you get into the newer xml based format for MS Office, the difference is not so great but I think you're still better off with an open standard in the long run.

at home... (1)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027127)

I use OOo at home and save everything in ODF format (as does my wife). If we need to send something to someone, PDF is usually the winner.

Interesting (1)

Exter-C (310390) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027137)

Personally If I write a document in openoffice I will save it in the default format if its for my use. If I however need to send it to someone I will save it as a PDF. If they need to edit the file and they are on windows I will send it in windows document format. Generally Word 95 to be easy.

Saving to .doc appears to be faster (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027143)

This is my experience, saving a 72 page document with graphics and usual formatting (bold, italics, and a few pictures).

Saving to .doc appeared faster. In other words, the save operation concluded in less time as compared to .odt. I am yet to find out why.

One data point (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027151)

I always save if OpenDocument format. When it comes time to send a copy to someone else, I send a PDF, unless they need to be able to edit it. If they do, then I save a copy in MS Office format and send that, unless I think they're likely to have OOo -- or might be interested in installing it.

Regardless, my working copy is always in OpenDocument format. The only time I use MS Office formats as working formats is if I'm collaborating on a document with people who don't have OOo, and then I actually use MS Office to do it.

.doc for me (1)

WebmasterNeal (1163683) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027159)

I think the whole purpose for files is the ability for yourself and others to open them. Since very few non-opensouce fanboys use Open Office it doesn't make sense to save them in any other format but doc, txt, or other general formats. I really don't care what format prevails, just as long as there is only one common format.

Yes, Rather Than Convert for Sharing (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027173)

I save as DOC and XLS formats because I don't want to have to convert the files when I share them. Since I'm using only the common features, I don't lose anything in the "foreign" format. Often I want to just email someone quick a spreadsheet, and I don't want to take 10x as long to open the OO.o doc in OO.o, Save As, clean up, and then maintain two different formats of the same doc as I revise it in collaboration with the people with whom I'm sharing it.

If those OO.o files were really proper objects, rather than just data, they could expose an "Attach As..." function that calls OO.o code when an email (or other) process sends them a message to attach to an outgoing email (or whatever). Such "OO" (Object Oriented) functionality could make all these file formats just a transient state, with objects stored in whatever native state they want, and interacting with any app compatible with their roster of interchange formats.

Yes. (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027201)

Most of my work is shared with many people, so whenever possible, I try to save any documents done with OOo to DOC. ODT is not bad at all; it's just that most people would not be able to see it, and would not want to go through the hassle of Google Docs.

I can easily see more corporate/professional types saving their docs in this format too, either by force or by obligation. I'm sure that when Microsoft supports ODT (which is a 95% bet on never), then more people will recognize and embrace it.

odf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21027205)

When I give documents to a user who uses MS Word, I create a .doc copy of my document. Why should I keep my documents in .doc just because the other may only be able to read and write .doc? That'd be ridiculous.


Always use OD (1)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027211)

I always save in open document format in OOO. I only convert to MS Office format or PDF if I have to send a doc to a non-OOO user.

MS formats as a last resort (1)

fonteyne (765704) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027213)

Let's see, OpenOffice on every computer I have (NeoOffice on my MacBook Pro) and I save in ODF. Only when somebody HAS to have the document in MS format do I ever do a save as. And that file goes out and off my HD just as fast as I can send it. If it comes back in, it gets converted to an ODF format, worked on, then saved as ODF. A few folks actually are thankful I can send them in ODF or PDF rather than any MS Office format. Saving to an MS Office format by default in an ODF capable office suite is stupid and kills the whole point of going with an alternative to the proprietary MS Office formats. Talk about setting the ODF adoption back.

Going to ODT (2, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027219)

My documents are going towards ODT.
When I save to ODT, the documents are stable.
When I save to .DOC the indices and contents get messed up. Custom masks get messed up.

However, I do use OOo to fix corrupted word documents. I open them, save them as ODT, then resave them as word and then word does not crash on them any more.

ODF is superior, in many ways (1)

phok (704836) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027227)

I personally don't save in .doc or .xls format unless I absolutely need to send it to someone who probably doesn't have OO.o. Otherwise, I find that the OpenDocument files are a lot smaller than the Microsoft Office ones. I also use ODF because it correctly transfers files between and KOffice, of which I use both. I saw somewhere that someone had made a plugin for SVN that correctly handled ODF, which I thought was a great idea, and something that can't be done with the other formats.

I never save in MSOffice formats (1)

dskoll (99328) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027237)

I never save in MSOffice formats and I almost never distribute docs in that format. OpenOffice is free; if someone wants to collaborate with me on editing files, it's far cheaper for that person to obtain OpenOffice than it would be for me to obtain MSOffice (which I couldn't run anyway since I have no Windoze boxes.)

I save in ODF (1)

redcaboodle (622288) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027245)

I save all my stuff in ODF und use PDF if I have to give a document to anyone else.

I suppose I would use doc if the recipient needed to edit the document but I usually avoid it.

Personally I find that argument asine. To make the basic car analogy it's like still using horse-and-buggy in 2007 since when the motor car became available not everyone bought one on the first day, so obviously noone needs it.

i don't (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027247)

Same as some other commenters -- I save in ODF for myself (actually still have a couple SXWs from older OO versions), and if I need to send it to someone else I use PDF. On the rare occasion I'd need to send it to someone else to edit (and I know they don't use OO), I'd use RTF if possible, though occasionally DOC is unavoidable.

At work we all have MS Office anyway, so it's all DOCs here.

ODF all the way baby! (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027255)

I *used* to save docs to RTF for long term storage, and native format for normal use, but now am using ODF because since its standardization I have at least as good a chance of being able to read them in a 10 years as RTF.

It Depends (1)

Basilius (184226) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027263)

Doesn't it always?

If it's a personal document not meant to be sent anywhere, I save in OOo's standard formats.

If it's a document I expect to share, and expect others to edit, I save in MSFT Office formats.

If it's a document I expect to share, and don't want others to edit, I save in PDF.

Use the right tool for each job.

I Use ODF (1)

pfleming (683342) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027265)

I try to use ODF internally. Of course when sharing/sending a document to someone else the "appropriate" format has to be determined. If everyone loaded, then it wouldn't be an issue. Most people collaborate using MS' formats due to the monopolistic behavior, not because it's better.
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I save in ODF (1)

belmolis (702863) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027273)

I always save in ODF if it is my own document. If I receive something in MS Word, immediately convert it to ODF if I may want to edit it, otherwise to PDF. The only time I save anything in MS Word format is if I have to provide it for someone else.

Generally (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027281)

Generally, I save in ODF, but if I need to send a document, I either use Word format or PDF; doc format if it's going to someone who needs to edit it, PDF for those who just need to view it. But for archival purposes, the primary reason for even using OpenOffice is because it's ODF, so I at least have some hope of reading the file in ten years.

Plaintext, ODF and LyX (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027287)

Depends a bit what it is I'm writing. In general thou:
Essays go as ODF
Academic stuff go as LyX

When I need to send it to somebody else I export a PDF. Has worked fairly well so far. The day somebody wants a spreadsheet I will play with gnumeric and see what it manages. So far that situation has not been an issue however.

I always use Microsoft formats (1)

wheatwilliams (605974) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027291)

I use NeoOffice on Macintosh, which of course is derived from OpenOffice.

I always set it to save all relevant documents in Microsoft Windows 2003 format, and I set the Macintosh Finder to open .doc, .xls and .ppt files with NeoOffice by default.

This is because the documents I receive as email attachments, and the documents I email to others for collaboration, need to be in Microsoft format.

Practically speaking, I can't think of any situation in which I would prefer OpenOffice native format to Microsoft Windows 2003.

Sources in ODF, distributions in PDF (1)

jforest1 (966315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21027299)

Yep. I do it this way, because Adobe makes readers for every OS. If someone wants to edit, I direct them to OpenOffice, which also works for multiple OSes. --josh
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