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360 And Halo 3 Push Past the Wii's Sales

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the back-on-top-for-about-a-week dept.

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GameDaily has the NPD numbers for September, and they're impressive if only because for the first time in months Nintendo isn't dominating the top of every list. Total sales across the industry hit $1.36 billion (a 74% bump over last year), mostly fueled by Halo 3 sales. The game (across all skus) sold some 3.3 million units, while Xbox 360 platforms hit about 528,000 units sold last month. Ironically, the Wii had its second best month ever and the DS sold big numbers thanks to Phantom Hourglass. "Nintendo's Wii, despite not really having any significant new software releases, was close behind with 501K units sold. The DS handheld also did quite well, selling another 495.8K. Looking at Sony's platforms, the PS3 sold just 119.4K units, while the surging PSP sold 284.5K and the PS2 maintained healthy sales at 215K." The piece also offers up analysis from an NPD researcher, who feels Microsoft is likely to maintain some good momentum through the holidays.

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Great news for MS! (5, Funny)

machinecraig (657304) | about 7 years ago | (#21040211)

Sounds like MS can keep their lead as long as they release a Halo-class game every month! If only they had thought of that sooner!

Re:Great news for MS! (5, Interesting)

Gravatron (716477) | about 7 years ago | (#21040695)

Isn't it a bit odd that Sony or MS have to release a major game to increase sales, but nintendo can sell on it's hype alone? I mean, the wii's game drought is worse than Sony's, but they still beat them in sales. And Poor MS can bring out game after game and still not catch up most weeks.

I owned a wii, and sold it a few months later. It just wasn't as good a console as the hype made it out to be. My ps3 and 360, on the other hand, more than paid for themselves since I got them in the summer. Not being able to play galaxy or smash brothers hurts, but thats made up by the titles on the other two.

Re:Great news for MS! (5, Funny)

b96miata (620163) | about 7 years ago | (#21041293)

Paid for themselves? Are you making money off your consoles?

Re:Great news for MS! (-1, Troll)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | about 7 years ago | (#21042945)

wtf are you playing on your PS3? honest question. AFAIK all the PS3 games suck or are on 360 (and so far the reviews indicate the 360 has slightly better graphics on multi-platform titles, plus achievements)

Re:Great news for MS! (3, Insightful)

aichpvee (631243) | about 7 years ago | (#21041159)

Shouldn't be too hard, they churn out mediocre games all the time.

Re:Great news for MS! (5, Informative)

ArtDent (83554) | about 7 years ago | (#21041405)

Seriously. And that's just in America. They'll need to do it every two weeks to win worldwide.

What you just heard was the sound of Microsoft rather unimpressively blowing its load.

They just released what will probably be the biggest game ever on the console (or is there going to be a Halo 4?), and only managed to squeeze past Wii by 27,000 units (about 5%). And this in the 360's strongest territory.

Worldwide, Wii outsold 360 in September, 1,075,000 to 735,000. The 360 managed to hold a lead over Wii for a mere two weeks and is now trailing again.

Re:Great news for MS! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21041735)

I still don't get why everyone's comparing the $2 special, Gen1.5 "Wii" against true "next-gen" (Gen2.0) consoles?

On a technological basis, the Wii is more accurately compared to a PS/2 and/or Xbox than either the PS/3 or 360... The machine is vastly subpar on spec, and it's kitschy. Neither of which makes it good, and since it's 4+ yr old tech under the hood, they can virtually sell them in dollar-stores... Gee, I wonder why it's selling out? -- It's b/c everybody who can scrape two-bits and a shoelace together can buy one and con themselves into believing they're part of the "Gen2.0" set...

-AC

Re:Great news for MS! (2, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | about 7 years ago | (#21041969)

I still don't get why everyone's comparing the $2 special, Gen1.5 "Wii" against true "next-gen" (Gen2.0) consoles?


Maybe you are just super-young, or maybe you just aren't as hopelessly nerdy as me, but the Wii/360/PS3 is considered the 7th generation....GC/Xbox/PS2 were considered 6th...

Re:Great news for MS! (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | about 7 years ago | (#21042211)

Heck yes 7th Generation... Generation 2.0? what? Is he crazy? that makes ps2/game cube/xbox Generation 1? What, did Microsoft officially start console gaming so they're Generation 1? Comedy...

Why did wii sales spike? Probably because parents got to the store where they were going to buy an Xbox 360 for their kids and then they saw the price tag and then the sales guy told them about the "red ring of death" and they thought... screw that! I'm buying a wii and a million games for the price of just the Xbox 360 (and no, I'm not counting the 'basic' version of the XBox as the cheapest, no one buys that thing). Plus, although it's winter I don't need another space heater.

Re:Great news for MS! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 7 years ago | (#21042399)

Plus, although it's winter I don't need another space heater.


I bought my 360 at launch...It didn't me long to realize that it would heat up the entire room rather quickly. In the summer, this sucks complete monkey balls.

In the winter (due to where I live) it's CHEAPER to run the 360 to heat the family room to "comfort" status than it is to use our central heating system...go figure.

I would have to say that the heat output is really the only complaint that I have about the system (well, that and the fact that it blows as a DVD player...can't read 1 out of 10 DVD movies I put in there)...RRoD and all that noise, I've never had a single issue with any of the three 360's that I own (knock on wood)...two of those 360's are tucked away inside a media center, no less!

Re:Great news for MS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042291)

Difference class of systems, what did you expect? They're not competing directly. I could fart more power than the Wii has.

Re:Great news for MS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042297)

MS has been beating Nintendo in game sales for a long time now, and this trend doesn't look likely to reverse. Last month they completely dominated the sales charts for games. Nintendo may be selling lots of systems, but they are not keeping up with game sales.

I wonder... (1, Interesting)

ZiakII (829432) | about 7 years ago | (#21040221)

I wonder if people are still having a hard time finding the Wii? I sucked it up and bought one on ebay, but I wonder if the Wii's availability is playing into effect of how hard the system is to find?

Re:I wonder... (1)

PlatyPaul (690601) | about 7 years ago | (#21040297)

Well, where I live [rochester.ny.us] it's still extremely hard to find Wiis around. That said, I managed to buy 2 in the past 2 weeks (one for a friend, and one for my parents), but only by physically visiting dozens of stores (and, accordingly, learning from the stock staff when their typical shipments arrive). I still think I got lucky on it, too.

I expect that it will become impossible again when Mario Galaxy drops. I'm still wondering if I should preorder that one to make sure I get a copy....

Re:I wonder... (1)

aesiamun (862627) | about 7 years ago | (#21040751)

I've had really good luck with Target in Greece and Target in Irondequoit. I bought 4 in one day between those two stores. I have family on the other side of the state and it's even more difficult to find them there...

Re:I wonder... (1)

PlatyPaul (690601) | about 7 years ago | (#21040787)

Well, if you need more, the Target by Marketplace Mall gets shipments early on Sunday mornings and is typically stocked by around 11AM. Cheers!

Re:I wonder... (1)

jZnat (793348) | about 7 years ago | (#21041513)

You're almost guaranteed to find a video game no matter how popular it is on release due to the relative ease of manufacturing DVDs compared to any other sort of hardware. If SMG was a cartridge-based game, sure, I'd recommend that you pre-order it, but there's generally never a shortage of games when they come out.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042427)

How about World of Warcraft?

Re:I wonder... (5, Funny)

sho222 (834270) | about 7 years ago | (#21040311)

but I wonder if the Wii's availability is playing into effect of how hard the system is to find?

Did you think about that statement before writing it?

Re:I wonder... (1)

ZiakII (829432) | about 7 years ago | (#21040491)

Did you think about that statement before writing it?

Sadly I reread it twice and it seemed to make sense in my tired little head......

slightly off-topic... but have any one who quit smoking have problems sleeping when they quit? (going cold turkey)

Re:I wonder... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | about 7 years ago | (#21040567)

I didn't...but I switched from smoking one substance (which is legal but shouldn't be) to smoking a different substance (which is illegal but shouldn't be)

How long since the quit? (2, Informative)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | about 7 years ago | (#21040655)

If it's the first few days, yeah, you'll have that.
Your body's going through withdrawal symptoms and keeping you awake.

Your sleep should return to normalcy in a week or so.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Fx.Dr (915071) | about 7 years ago | (#21040893)

NyQuil - become good, close friends with it. It saved my sleepless butt countless times back when I quit, and best of all, no hangover.

Re:I wonder... (1)

rootofevil (188401) | about 7 years ago | (#21041853)

aye, thats the ticket. addicted to cigarettes => addicted to nyquil.

have you heard the dennis leary bit about nyquil? i think you should find it. its about alcoholics and nyquil, but just as applicable.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Amouth (879122) | about 7 years ago | (#21042841)

that is the "No Cure for Cancer" album.. very good.. highly recommend it..

Re:I wonder... (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 7 years ago | (#21041847)

but I wonder if the Wii's availability is playing into effect of how hard the system is to find?
Did you think about that statement before writing it?
He just opens his mouth and words fall out.

Re:I wonder... (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | about 7 years ago | (#21040331)

I bought mine two or three months ago. At the time, I wasn't seriously trying to get it, I just figured if I stopped in a store and if they had one, I might buy it. I think I ended up going through three or four EB/GameStops and Targets (don't laugh... too hard) before I saw one. I thought for a few, and figured since they were non-trivial (not quite hard mind you) to find, I'd get it.

They aren't hard to find, you just have to do a bit of leg work.

Re:I wonder... (4, Insightful)

rizzo420 (136707) | about 7 years ago | (#21040357)

yes, people are still having a hard time finding it. none of the stores i've been in have it around here (target, walmart, best buy, etc). i don't shop at places like eb games or gamestop very often, so i don't know about them.

i assume when you said

but I wonder if the Wii's availability is playing into effect of how hard the system is to find?
that you meant "is the wii's popularity playing into effect of how hard it is to find?" the answer to that question is an obvious "yes". the wii is loved by the elderly, the young, the middle aged, the hard core gamer, the casual gamer, while the 360 and PS3 are mostly for people looking for good graphics and games like halo 3.

i was surprised to see that the PS2 had better sales than the PS3. that should say a lot to sony.

Re:I wonder... (1)

giafly (926567) | about 7 years ago | (#21041359)

I was not surprised to see that the PS2 had better sales than the PS3. That should say a lot to Sony.
Fixed.

Finding a Wii (1)

tgibbs (83782) | about 7 years ago | (#21041597)

yes, people are still having a hard time finding it. none of the stores i've been in have it around here (target, walmart, best buy, etc). i don't shop at places like eb games or gamestop very often, so i don't know about them.


I've never seen one on the shelves. But list price non-bundled Wii's do pop up occasionally on the web sites of major retailers like ToysRUs and Sears. I was clued in to order one from ToysRUs by the WiiTracker web site [wiitracker.com]

Re:I wonder... (2, Interesting)

Jarjarthejedi (996957) | about 7 years ago | (#21042209)

I always ask myself when I see these questions where in the world the people asking them are. Over here in the SW I could right now leave my house and drive down to one of my local gamestops (there are 3) and buy a Wii, all three have them in stock (or at least had at the time Halo 3 came out when I last visited them). Best Buy has had them on the shelves since around April, Circuit City had them last time I went there (over the summer). There's no shortage of Wii's where I am, so I'm always curious that there's apparently still a shortage elsewhere...

Re:I wonder... (1)

rizzo420 (136707) | about 7 years ago | (#21042839)

i'm in rhode island and i know that the stores here, as well as the stores nearby in massachusetts and connecticut don't have them. i've had one since january, so i'm not out looking for them, but whenever i'm in a store that would sell them, i check. they don't have them.

Re:I wonder... (1)

Nazmun (590998) | about 7 years ago | (#21042345)

Theres also ebayers that buy up every single Wii as soon as they pop-up. Most sellers take pictures of their stockpiles of the wii system and show them on ebay.

I wonder how much the scarcity is playing into the popularity of the wii (omg it's not available it must be awesome!). That might be another reason for nintendo to not be producing any more units then they had per month. If it is true it has to be working since the hype for the system is the strongest since release.

Re:I wonder... (1)

spirit of reason (989882) | about 7 years ago | (#21042825)

The 360 and PS3 are also better suited for anyone looking for a shred of complexity in their games (though not by design; that's just how Nintendo has chosen to market their machine) -- that is, games that try to effect a more complete simulation. You just don't find games like Virtua Fighter 5 or Forza Motorsport/Gran Turismo on the Wii. And sure, the 360 also has Halo, but you wouldn't get anywhere without somenstream games, right?

Re:I wonder... (1)

spirit of reason (989882) | about 7 years ago | (#21042869)

that last line should read "some mainstream games"

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042979)

that should say a lot to sony.
like... the ps2 has more and better games than the ps3

Re:I wonder... (0, Redundant)

trdrstv (986999) | about 7 years ago | (#21040393)

I wonder if the Wii's availability is playing into effect of how hard the system is to find?

Yes it does. Thank you Capt. Obvious.

I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (1, Redundant)

webmaster404 (1148909) | about 7 years ago | (#21040275)

At least here in the US, it is a challenge to find a Wii, most places are sold out of them I have only seen one when I was looking around in tech stores and the discount stores (Wal-Mart etc.) are sold out of them too, 360s are found in almost all of the stores same with Halo 3, lots of boxes, sure the Wii hasn't had a "Killer Hit" yet like the 360 has with Halo 3 but the games that are released are fun to play and with Brawl and Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn coming this winter, I would imagine that Wii sales will be way up this Christmas season, also, Nintendo is making a killing with the Virtual Console, something that still makes sales go up because there still will be games available for purchase that you won't be able to get for the 360 and PS3. Nintendo has exclusive first party titles that are strong, the PS3 and 360 really don't have as much, and I for one welcome our new Wii masters.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (2, Informative)

jlf278 (1022347) | about 7 years ago | (#21040335)

If you really want a Wii for retail and live anywhere near New York City (or know someone who does), Nintendo World in Rockefeller Center rarely runs out of stock.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (1)

apdyck (1010443) | about 7 years ago | (#21040585)

I'm inclined to agree that the Wii will pull ahead during the holiday season. How many parents will be buying a new console for their child for Christmas? Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I have recently been pricing out both a Wii and a 360 (the girlfriend wants both), and I noticed that they both have similar base prices (with the 360 still being more expensive), however the Wii is the only one that will work the way I want it to out of the box for that price. Buying a 360 requires the additional purchase of an external hard drive, and I see no point to buying the base system. That, in combination with Microsoft's incredibly large SKU catalogue, mean that it is rather difficult to decide which system to buy. The Wii, on the other hand, requires only the purchase of a nunchuck controller, and includes a game in the box. When confronted with this, how many parents will say "It's cheaper, it has a game, and it's designed for the whole family", and then purchase the Wii?

The real question, though, is will Nintendo have the supply to meet the demand for their system? I would imagine, given the comments so far, that they may be having supply issues. If they were able to meet demand, who would be in the lead?

Then again, you'll get the suckers like me who buy a Wii AND a 360, bowing to pressure from outside sources (namely my girlfriend). I guess Microsoft is going to get my money either way, but I won't contribute to them being in the sales lead!

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (2, Informative)

Endo13 (1000782) | about 7 years ago | (#21040649)

Just an FYI.. the Wii package does in fact come with a Nunchuck controller. The only reason you'd need to buy anything extra is if you need a second controller or want the Classic controller for virtual console games.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (1)

apdyck (1010443) | about 7 years ago | (#21040765)

See, now that's why I need to do more research. When the Wii initially came out, it did not include the nunchuck, and now they do. I know that they didn't, because my brother bought one the day they came out, and was complaining bitterly about it. That being said, that makes the Wii even more attractive as a system to buy this Christmas. Of course, I would want to get a second controller and a classic controller, but I'm still going to need additional controllers when I buy my 360, too.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (1)

lalas (85981) | about 7 years ago | (#21040989)

The retail package from launch has included 1 controller and 1 nunchuck.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (2, Informative)

Zelos (1050172) | about 7 years ago | (#21041107)

The Wii definitely always shipped with a Nunchuk, your brother must have got a mispackaged console.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (1)

ShapeGSX (865697) | about 7 years ago | (#21040817)

All of the new 360 SKUs have games included in the box.

The $280 Arcade model has a 256MB memory card for game saves, now has a wireless controller, and includes 5 arcade games (Boom-Boom Rocket, Pac-man, Uno, Feeding Frenzy, and Luxor 2) on a DVD.

The $350 Pro model includes Forza 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

The $450 Elite model also includes Forza 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

Re:I doubt the 360 will be ahead. (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 7 years ago | (#21040733)

While it is definitely a little difficult to find them (you don't just walk into a store and expect to buy one), it's not really THAT difficult for somebody wanting to buy one. I stop in the local Wal-mart 2-3 times per week during my lunch break just to look around and kill time (small town - not much else to do). 90% of the time I go look around the electronics department for a while, and though the Wii is USUALLY out of stock, in the last few months on 4-5 occasions I've found one (or in one case, 3) units available for purchase. I still haven't bought one myself. Maybe eventually, but having tried it, I still find the Wii-mote gimmicky. I'm just more of a gamepad type player (well, I do like DDR, but that was for a single game - if they tried to apply that jump mat as a control method to every game I'd probably not like it either).

I will admit though, that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are always in stock. Haven't bought either of those either, but I think Mass Effect is finally gonna push my stubborn self into buying a 360.

Wow so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21040365)

the ps2 is outselling the ps3 at almost 2:1? Wouldn't this be like the gamecube outselling the wii or the xbox outselling the xbox360? And nobody thinks that's slightly odd for Sony?

Re:Wow so (3, Funny)

Endo13 (1000782) | about 7 years ago | (#21040677)

the ps2 is outselling the ps3 at almost 2:1? Wouldn't this be like the gamecube outselling the wii or the xbox outselling the xbox360?

Yeah.

And nobody thinks that's slightly odd for Sony?

Not really. Everyone's used to it by now. Been that way since about the second month after launch.

Re:Wow so (2, Interesting)

paranode (671698) | about 7 years ago | (#21043069)

PS2 is still the most played game console and has an immense library of games to choose from. There is a very large market for affordable game systems with fun games. This is why the Wii is dominating right now. The PS3 suffers from a smaller selection of good games and the price being too high for all but the serious gamer.

Microsoft will win next generation (1, Funny)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | about 7 years ago | (#21040449)

Microsoft is in a great position to WIN the next generation of gaming consoles.

This generation couldnt have played out better for them. Sony made all the proper mistakes to allow XBox to reign supreme, and the success of the Wii is a blessing in disguise, because it gives microsoft....ideas!

XBox has the best name recognition now for "modern gaming" amoung both techies, because of all the successful mod'ing, and more casual users because of Microsoft's excellent marketing. The fact that the Wii was so successful only means that Microsoft now has a new target in casual gamers. Already they've announced the "XBox arcade Version" to target casual users.

Microsoft Next-Gen: Our console does everything in a familiar interface. We have a TON of downloadable games, both free and micro-payment versions. Oh and one more little thing.....our new motion-sensitive remotes will work on your XBox AND your Windows PC.

Game over.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | about 7 years ago | (#21040589)

That looks like a really nice VR you're living in. Now all you need to do is find some way to make the GSOD show up later rather than sooner. Best of luck.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

Seakip18 (1106315) | about 7 years ago | (#21040709)

XBox has the best name recognition now for "modern gaming" amoung both techies, because of all the successful mod'ing, and more casual users because of Microsoft's excellent marketing.
The primary reason for these mods is because people see the good the console can do, but disgusted by microsoft's policies. Take for instance the Hard drive on the 360. Is it necessary to apply a proprietary connection for what is already standard data storage and THEN charge a person out the ass for it? [newegg.com]

I'm not even going to get into how bad the media center extender works. Unless Microsoft suffers a stroke and suddenly lets people view videos in whatever codec they want, your essentially locking people into that. Otherwise, people continue to HAVE to innovate just to get the thing to meet their expectations.
Sheesh, might as well just get a project called Gbox and GBox360 with all the work the community has to pick up, thanks to microsoft.

So in conclusion, shill, go beat your bongo drum in another circle.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | about 7 years ago | (#21040869)

I'm hardly a shill, i dont even own a console except for the Wii that my wife and daughter mostly play with. I'm into more complicated PC games.

I understand your point about the mods being done because "they have to be", but that's what techies like. To modify stuff to suit their needs. If you gave a techie two machines, one that did EVERYTHING, but they didnt like the UI, and one that lacked features (but could be modified to have them) and a nice interface.....they would chose the later. They (we) get off on it. That's why i still build my own PC even though the price difference of brand name is very little.

My point is just that microsoft has a formula that almost always works, and seems to be working here: Generation 1 = laughable. (embrace) Generation 2 = up to par with features but still not quite right (extend). Generation 3 (extinquish)

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (2, Insightful)

Seakip18 (1106315) | about 7 years ago | (#21041241)

Disclaimer: I actually have an Xbox360 in my living room right next to a gamecube...RE:4 ftw.

By that same logic, shouldn't Vista be a dominating force then? I don't mean to be rude, it's just that I think your overestimating Microsoft's ability to listen and change.

Since you stated in your example, Microsoft by no means wants you to mess with their stuff. If that were so, then why are not seeing more third-party controllers for the Xbox 360? I mean, currently, $45 dollars for a wireless controller? I'm not saying other console makers are different(yet).

I do agree with your point about the techie will build a system to fit his/her needs, but there is a point where they say "fuck it." and go a different route, say a media pc running MythTV or the such. At that point, xbox is good for your haloz and occasional viva pinata (sorry, to lazy to find the right characters.)

I will say, their online service, while very pricey to someone who has been a pc man, is refreshing to use. I wish Nintendo would roll with something similar but not as a expensive.

The move to separate Xbox into it's own division was a blessing of sorts. But what is going to happen when Halo 3 excitement dies down and stops pushing xboxes? Bungie is now on their own, freeing them to pursue other projects and other consoles.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042401)

You're on Slashdot, please fucking stop using "ftw" bullshit here. Thanks a lot.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

toolie (22684) | about 7 years ago | (#21042967)

If that were so, then why are not seeing more third-party controllers for the Xbox 360? I mean, currently, $45 dollars for a wireless controller?
Completely and totally off-topic here, but what the hell, I'll ask anyway.

Is there a reason that a third party hasn't produced a controller for the PS3 that swaps the left analog stick and the control pad? Does Sony not allow that kind of modification? I think I'd be more willing to play more games on the PS3 over the 360 if the controller was better designed. I pre-ordered Assassin's Creed for the 360 simply because it doesn't hurt my hand like the PS3 controller does. GH3 and Rock Band are going on the PS3, though, because I don't have to use the God forsaken controller.

I guess it probably has something to do with brand image. Is the brand image worth having a less ergonomic controller though?

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (5, Insightful)

spxero (782496) | about 7 years ago | (#21040909)

Wow.... just wow. The Wii's success is a blessing? I would say that's more of a curse, as Nintendo is not only making money on software sales, but on hardware sales as well. How much money is the 360 bringing in? Not as much, seeing as how the 360 is not going to be profitable until 2008. [gamedaily.com] (And this is despite shipping and selling almost a year ahead of time)

And with 8.19 Million units sold [wikipedia.org] vs. the 360's 6.72 million units sold [wikipedia.org] I think it's a little easier to tell who the winner is.

Console mods for the 360 may be successful, but they're also being blocked [news.com] from the main reason for having a 360.


I hate responding to trolls like you, but come-freaking-on. Does it hurt to lie through your teeth like that?

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (2, Insightful)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | about 7 years ago | (#21041331)

Microsoft is good, excellant....maybe even the BEST at defeating a known business opponent. What they're NOT good at is emerging into new markets on their own.

The Wii is a blessing because it gives Microsoft someone to beat. Not only that, but a competitor OTHER than Sony. If it were not for the success of the Wii, the Sony would have continued it's dominance of the console market, and Microsoft would have still been "number 2 of 2".

Now they're "number 2 of 3", with their previous opponent behind them....and a new one who isnt used to playing in the big leagues.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042341)

Right. Name a single company that Microsoft has "defeated" that did not involve either abusing illegal monopoly tactics or throwing so much money at it that MS ended up losing money in the end. I can't think of any. The latter seems to be their solution right now; the Wii is stomping the XBox 360 right now, despite coming out a year later and having less powerful hardware, and the PS3 is losing because Sony has made a series of incompetent mistakes.

You may not realize this, but Nintendo knows a lot about playing in the "big leagues." They dominated console sales before the original Playstation came along; at the time, Sony came out with a great platform and Nintendo made some serious mistakes. Despite not coming in first place, the N64 and Gamecube were still profitable, which is more than the Xbox can say. Oh, and have you ever looked at the handheld market? The Nintendo Game Boy (and now the DS) has had a strangehold on the market for as long as it's existed. The PSP is the biggest opponent Nintendo has ever had in that area, and the DS has still outside the PSP by more than 3:1 worldwide. All of the other competitors they've ever had aren't even worth mentioning. Microsoft wishes their OS dominance was as good as Nintendo's handheld dominance has been.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (2, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | about 7 years ago | (#21042483)

The game isn't over yet, and the PS3 isn't all that far behind the 360...

If this generation should tell Microsoft anything, it should be that beating the PS3 with the 360 doesn't guarantee them beating the PS4 with the Xbox3.

My prediction for the next generation? We won't know who's going to win it until at least 18 months after the last gen-8 console is released. Hell, we're not even going to know who wins *this* generation until well into 2008. Can Nintendo hold on as the leader when HDTV adoption increases over the lifespan of this console generation? Will the PS3 stay at the back of the line when some good games come out? Can Microsoft hold on to second place if they only have strong sales in one region?

A new generation is a clean slate. A successful previous-generation machine means almost nothing. Sony had two winners in a row because they were both the best system+games combination in the market; not because the PS1 won market share in advance for the PS2. This generation's winner will be chosen the same way, as will the next. If Microsoft has the best selling box this generation, and that makes them think - even for a second - that it means they're assured the lead for the following generation too, Sony, Nintendo, and maybe some other company we haven't heard of yet will eat their lunch next time around.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042525)

Your still looking at this the wrong way. Nintendo is not even competing in the same relm of Xbox 360 consumers, they are going for a competely different market. And if they pick up some of the traditional consule users along the way, all the better. But that not the target area. The target area is every one who doesn't play consule games right now.

And that market is a hell of alot bigger then people who do play consule games. Hell, with Nintendo's pricing they probably LIKE it when some one buys a 360. Buying a 360 means you are pretty much into consule gaming, and are more inclined to pick up the Wii down the line with the various Nintendo only games.

Microsoft and Sony are in a foot race to get as many people to get gamers to buy their consule. Nintendo is out for a fun sunday drive picking up as many people who want to come along.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1, Troll)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 7 years ago | (#21042599)

Sure, giving Microsoft a target gives them a goal, but it isn't like Microsoft has shown the ability to leap past a continually advancing target. There are plenty of examples where Microsoft is always behind the competition:
vs Google in search
vs Apple in MP3 players (now phones)
vs Nintendo in consoles...

If Xbox 420 is anything like the Zune 2 or the reboot of the Live services it will be:
A Wii, but black, slightly larger, and HD.

Meanwhile Nintendo will release, if the DS and Wii are any predictors of future design:
Download only games; add-on optical drive for backwards compatibility
HD (duh)
Lightweight wireless heads up see through monocles
Paired Wii-motes (one per hand) play, up to a total of 16 remotes (for 16 player games)
The ability to hook up 4 LCDs (1 per 4 people) or the ability to network 4 consoles together with a single game
Built in projector or projector add-on to reduce the necessity for 4 HD sets (perhaps limited to 720p)

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21041463)

Where on earth are you getting those numbers in the links you provided? The Wii is ahead, but it's actually more like 12.4 million for the Wii and 11.8 million for the 360 (source: www.vgchartz.com).

I'm a Wii fan too but it's not right to misrepresent things like that.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

SethraLavode (910814) | about 7 years ago | (#21041763)

If you're going to comment on misrepresentation, you might want to stop using vgchartz as a reference, as they are fond of the "make shit up and then retroactively adjust the numbers after reliable ones come out" method of accounting.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | about 7 years ago | (#21041915)

Nevertheless, the numbers he quoted sound a lot more accurate than the ones posted by GP. IIRC, Xbox360 had sold some 8 million units by the end of last year already. Frankly I'm surprised to see Wikipedia so inaccurate.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | about 7 years ago | (#21041977)

Ah. His numbers were for US sales only (which he failed to mention). No wonder they seemed too low. Incomplete data FTL.

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

brkello (642429) | about 7 years ago | (#21042543)

Does it hurt to not be able to tell when someone is joking?

Re:Microsoft will win next generation (1)

mcsqueak (1043736) | about 7 years ago | (#21042849)

Wow.... just wow. The Wii's success is a blessing?

Yes, it is. In a business environment, multiple strong competitors are always a good thing. It DRIVES the company to do better. Nintendo knew they sucked it up last generation, and came out with something that is simply a joy to play (full disclosure, I own a Wii). Without competition we'd get something like what Microsoft has in the operating system world... not pretty.

Sony, on the other hand, thought they had this whole generation wrapped up. I'm sure their business development meetings are REALLY fun these days, what with being beat by a "kiddie console". ;)

Re:Nintendo will win next generation (4, Insightful)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 7 years ago | (#21041219)

You forget one crucial component:
Nintendo will have the $249 next gen HD capable console (that will also be profitable) and compatible with the Wii and it's extensive install base.
Nintendo will continue to have MORE ideas, and will poach the great ones from Microsoft as well.

You think Microsoft will win because they can copy Nintendo?
That's like saying Microsoft's Zune will win because they copied the iPod... and then the iPod Touch gets released. Oops.

Re:Nintendo will win next generation (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 7 years ago | (#21041921)

You forget one crucial component:
Nintendo will have the $249 next gen HD capable console (that will also be profitable) and compatible with the Wii and it's extensive install base.
Nintendo will continue to have MORE ideas, and will poach the great ones from Microsoft as well.
That's the point I never understood, how could backwards compatibility be considered anything but crucial? Especially during a launch, one of the biggest selling points of the new system is you also have access to all of the old system's libraries. If a new customer is coming over to your side, say Sony's, and they never had the previous system, you've just sold them on getting a chance to play the whole library of old games, too. There was some excuse for incompatibility issues back in the days of carts. With today's optical media, there is no excuse whatsoever.

Re:Nintendo will win next generation (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 7 years ago | (#21042507)

"Nintendo will have the $249 next gen HD capable console (that will also be profitable) and compatible with the Wii and it's extensive install base.
Nintendo will continue to have MORE ideas, and will poach the great ones from Microsoft as well."
That is my perdiction as well. But betting on more super winning ideas... That is risky.
What everybody seems to have forgoten is that the Video Console game if changing for Microsoft and Sony.
I keep feeling that they don't care about games at all. They are just a way to get the console into the home. I get the feeling that they are both aiming at IPTV.

Re:Nintendo will win next generation (1)

brkello (642429) | about 7 years ago | (#21042607)

Yes, because the people who make the console that sells the most in one generation, sells the most in the next generation. Oh yes, and Nintendo has never made mistakes in the past. Right?

Re:Nintendo will win next generation (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | about 7 years ago | (#21042977)

That logic applies to all the consoles. PS1->PS2, for example, and the PS3 is a flop.

Of course Microsoft has never been on top...

Troll huh (1, Insightful)

JeremyGNJ (1102465) | about 7 years ago | (#21041509)

I almost cant believe it. I make a post with an opinion and make various points to back it up and people mod me as trolling?

The slashdot community need to grow up.

Re:Troll huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21041769)

You must be new here.

Re:Troll huh (3, Funny)

zsouthboy (1136757) | about 7 years ago | (#21041819)

We're going through puberty, you insensitive clod!

Hopefully they get meta'd correctly (1)

Liquidrage (640463) | about 7 years ago | (#21042313)

You have a valid gripe.

Even if they don't agree with your point, you at least tried to make one.

It's a MS story so people here often are complete idiots about it unless you make a case for why MS sucks.

Re:Troll huh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21043085)

I almost cant believe it. I make a post with an opinion and make various points to back it up and people mod me as trolling?
Because you made a number of points based on evidence that is rather doubtful, making you sound like a lost Xbox fanboy. Let's examine it.

Microsoft is in a great position to WIN the next generation of gaming consoles.
Oh yeah? Being in second means you are going to win? Already a doubtful position, better come up with something GOOD to back it up.

This generation couldnt have played out better for them. Sony made all the proper mistakes to allow XBox to reign supreme, and the success of the Wii is a blessing in disguise, because it gives microsoft....ideas!
That's the best you can do? Microsoft can't come up with anything without stealing it? What if Nintendo comes up with something even better next generation? What about brand loyalty from all the people who got the Wii this generation?

XBox has the best name recognition now for "modern gaming" amoung both techies,
Woah woah, let's just stop right there. Most of the techies I know are more interested in the Wii, and most of the techies here on slashdot seem to be the same. The people who are geeky tinkerers that I know seem more interested in cracking the Wii controller protocol (which has been done) and using it for random fun projects.

The main demographic interested in the xbox seems to be bonehead athletes who recently found their gaming soul. They like Madden, and Halo only because they've never played an FPS with a mouse. Ask any true hardcore gamer, and they will say, "yeah, halo is fun, but the controller sucks compared to a mouse."
The other demographic that seems to like the 360 is the kids who while growing up, their parents got them an xbox instead of a playstation, and now they've gotten attached to it, and thus are 360 fanboys. I suspect you fall into this category. Nothing particularly wrong with it, happened to me too when I was growing up, but don't be surprised if people label you as a fanboy.

Microsoft sucks in the first generation. Then they do better and win in the third.
OK, you didn't say that in this post, but I say you make that general point elsewhere. The problem is, it just isn't true. Lately they have shown themselves incompetent to come out with any quality product. Vista? After 5 years, that's what they come up with? Microsoft has traditionally won, not with quality products, not with superior advertising (monkeyboy), but by undercutting the competitors in price, and with sharp business practices; ie FUD, making deals at the right time, knowing when to stab your partners in the back, etc. Sometimes they've won in the third generation, sometimes in the first, and very often not at all. Right now the Wii is in the lead, and it really seems like a distorted twist of logic to claim that it is good for Microsoft. That is why you got modded troll (and subsequently funny).

Tit for tat... (4, Insightful)

Aphrika (756248) | about 7 years ago | (#21040453)

Figures like this are expendable - just wait until you get the sales figures for Wii vs. 360 after Mario Galaxies is released...

Re:Tit for tat... (1)

Floritard (1058660) | about 7 years ago | (#21041291)

Not necessarily, if only because of supply shortages. It isn't as hard to find as it used to be, but I still routinely see Wiis sold out at local gameshops. When I ask the clerk out of curiousity (I have one already), they often give me the "we get shipments on x-days and y-days, try and be here when the store opens" reply. If Mario Galaxies sparks any interest at all, the supply ceiling will be hit again in no time.

All that said, as a Wii owner I am starting to get a little apprehensive about the future game library of this little machine. I'm not so loudly bemoaning the current vacuum as some, perhaps it's all the recent PC game goodness I've been enjoying. I'm really not interested in any of the recent console games on the PS3 or 360 either, but then again I won't be getting Force Unleashed or GTA4 on my Wii. Myself, I can still see a metric shit-ton of cool ideas for the wiimote, gimmicky as people are more recently wont to call it. The thing just works when used properly. However there does seem to be a real dearth of third party software even in the pipeline, despite all the rumblings of companies switching focus to the platform, which all too much resembles the two previous consoles Nintendo put out. I still feel burned for buying an N64 back in the day, and I skipped the Gamecube altogether because of that. I still like the wiimote (RE4/Metroid is great), and the machine is plenty pretty for me when devs put the time into it (Galaxies looks nice), but who knows if this was all just another Nintendo launch bubble. If Galaxies does anything this holiday season, it will just stave off the concerns for the console's future that people like myself might be pondering.

Re:Tit for tat... (1)

wilbz (842093) | about 7 years ago | (#21041433)

Unfortunately, there probably isn't going to be a significant shift in Wii sales simply because they are already selling out continuously . The only thing you will see after Super Mario Galaxy is released is lots of sales of Super Mario Galaxy, the Wii numbers will not shift significantly.

Having owned a Wii since early 2007, and having just recently purchased a 360, I couldn't be any more excited about the upcoming Holiday season. The only real question is how I'm going to afford giving anyone else any gifts after I give so many to myself.

Apples and Oranges (2, Insightful)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | about 7 years ago | (#21040675)

So they compare a month in which the 360 had a "big" game released and the Wii didn't have any major releases, and saying that the 360 sold more than the Wii in that particular month is news somehow? Plus, the Wii is still having supply issues (at least in the US)...for the most part you still can't go into a store and pick one up off the shelf, whereas there are piles of 360's everywhere, this has to play a part too.

Re:Apples and Oranges (1)

steveo777 (183629) | about 7 years ago | (#21041491)

Not so sure it's apples and oranges. Maybe Fuji apples vs Golden Delicious. Games are going to continue to drive 360 sales all the way through the holidays into Christmas. Remember that Halo 3 is the biggest game for the 360 right now. Hotly anticipated. But in November we'll see the release of Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect. Sales will increase for those games, and just because it's the coming up on the holidays. Yeah, the Wii and PS3 will experience that as well, but you don't have a lot 'A' games coming out on those systems, either. Just my two cents.

Personally I cannot wait for Fire Emblem on the Wii, and Mass Effect for the 360. It's going to be a sleepless November for me...

The Real Story (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 7 years ago | (#21040799)

360 surpassing Wii by only a couple dozen thousand units isn't nearly as interesting as the 360 outselling the PS3 5:1. Sony's gotta be hurtin'.

Now, if Smash Bros. and Mario Kart weren't pushed back, and if Wii wasn't in such short supply, I wonder if the 360 would keep it's lead. Either way, can the 360 sustain the current lead for the next 3 months?

Re:The Real Story (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | about 7 years ago | (#21041253)

If the 360 was outselling the PS3 5:1 when games like GT5, FFXIII, etc... etc... were coming out, you MIGHT have a point. As it is, the PS3 had no major releases, while the 360 had literally the biggest new release of it's history, and only managed to boost output 5 times over the PS3. Not too impressive. Whereas the Wii would have readily outsold the 360 had units been easily available.

Re:The Real Story (1)

Liquidrage (640463) | about 7 years ago | (#21042077)

Not too impressive? Get back to me when the PS3 outsells the 360 5:1 when the PS3 has a major release.

Not to mention that 360 has been out much longer and the market is already more saturated with 360's. Not to mention the 360's been outselling the PS3 anyways all along.

The PS3 just doesn't offer anything other then blu-ray player. They can't compete with the casual fun of the Wii. And it can't compete with XBL. Sony had everything going for them after PS2 and blew it.

Re:The Real Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042997)

I wouldn't hold your breath for it, but this generation is still very young.

The 360 is FAR from the be-all-end-all game console. You have to be a complete stooge to think it is. A PS3 offers much more than just a Blu-ray player, crawl out from under that rock and take a look.
The market is not "more saturated" with 360s, whatever that means. The market is not saturated with anything next-gen right now. I don't suppose you've thought about what will happen when those who bought PS2s over the last year decide to upgrade to a PS3 should the price keep falling. Sony still has a VERY strong presence, more than both XBox generations combined.

Re:The Real Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042149)

Yeah, it's fantastic that two years into this generation, the 360 is only outselling the PS3 by 500%. One day, someone's going to make a good game for the PS3, and I'm telling you, things will change then!

Re:The Real Story (1)

Qfour20 (181633) | about 7 years ago | (#21042743)

360 surpassing Wii by only a couple dozen thousand units
**head explodes**

All kidding aside, I couldn't agree with you more. I really think that all of the "sales numbers" that compare ps3 to wii or x360 to wii or caribou migration to wii are meaningless at this time. These statistics are comparing apples to oranges. What is really being compared is:

How many consoles microsoft/rootkit (err... sony) can SELL
to how many consoles nintendo can manufacture

-q

Halo 3 move 3.3 million units (2, Insightful)

brokeninside (34168) | about 7 years ago | (#21041017)

That's quite a few units. If I remember the numbers correctly, the latest version of Madden didn't sell that many units across all of the platforms its on the first month hit was out. It looks like about 1 out of 3 XBox 360 owners purchased Halo 3.

MS vs Wii (3, Insightful)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | about 7 years ago | (#21041065)

I still fail to see how MS or PS3 are competing against the Wii. Maybe the fact that they all play games, but MS and Sony are the two really competing for a similar market.

Anyway, Halo was huge for the Xbox and will continue to push sales for a while. The downside of this seems to be that alot of other really good games are being drowned out. The Orange Box hit the 360 with very little fanfare and poor marketing, despite being one of the best collection of games I've ever seen. In November, Assassins Creed, Blacksite, and Mass Effect will be released. Although Blacksite initially looked really good, I can't see buying it now that I have Halo 3 and 3 updated Half Life titles.

Re:MS vs Wii (2, Interesting)

Liquidrage (640463) | about 7 years ago | (#21042013)

The 360's greatest selling point is Live.

While it's often dissed here. Live is truely fantastic and next-gen in service and application.

I can download movies, TV shows, new games, demos (free), trailers for upcoming games. If it weren't for the fact I'm a sports junkie it would be cheaper for me to ditch digital cable and only download my shows and movies off of XBL.
I can keep track of my friends, invite them to games or get invited into their games. It keeps track of achievements and a lot more.

I run a major hockey site. On our hockey site we have a video game subforum. In there I have a dynamic Xbox Live leaderboard. Any member of our forum can go into our site, add their XBL gamer tag, and be included in the list. We can do friends invites right from our hockey forum. I can actually send a message from our hockey forum to one of our members while they are in Xbox playing a game. It also shows what games they're playing, what they've recently played, and we can compare achievements easily. *for privacy folks, you can choose to hide all this stuff so others can't see it*

the Wii has it's niche as the casual party machine. The Xbox has it's niche due to live. It isn't competing with the PS3 any more then it is the Wii. In fact, XBL Arcade is probably closer to the Wii in terms of competition then what the PS3 offers. XBL just works. Easy to use, lot's of content to offer. The PS3 doesn't have a real niche and it's why no one buys them. Anyone that buys a PS3 for anything other then a blu-ray player is nuts.

Re:MS vs Wii (1)

Immerial (1093103) | about 7 years ago | (#21042811)

"The 360's greatest selling point is Live.

While it's often dissed here. Live is truely fantastic and next-gen in service and application."

I agree with you that Live is well done but the dissing is appropriate here. It's another Microsoft proprietary world full of DRM on a subscription model. Basically a Microsoft dream come true. I love the privacy note you added... what you are missing is the fact that you are trusting Microsoft with that privacy. What I don't like is that I am already paying for my internet connection and I have to pay XBL on top of that. What would be great is some open version on MBL. Don't get me wrong... I love playing on MBL but it is evil!

Re:MS vs Wii (1)

pokerdad (1124121) | about 7 years ago | (#21042621)

I still fail to see how MS or PS3 are competing against the Wii.

They are competing for the finite money that consumers have to spend, and they are competing for the finite money developers have to invest. (also, in homes where non-gamers parents are buying a system for gamer children, the differences you note between the systems are irrellevant; most of these homes will get only one system, meaning the products are competing directly)

Perhaps most importantly the three systems are competing for consumers' time; for those gamer that only have 5 hours a week to game, any one system provides more than enough to do. (making a second or third system superfluous)

Mini-vans are about as different from SMART cars as 360s from Wii, but in both cases consumers may weight one versus the other and make a choice. (in fact I made both of these choices this year)

The Numbers Are Skued (1)

chrisG23 (812077) | about 7 years ago | (#21041069)

What does across all SKU's mean? That across all stores that are selling it, the sum total of their individual inventory system and internal designations for the game equal the total number sold? Why not just say that the game sold X number of copies.

I must be new here. In Soviet Russia the state welcomes your new SKUlord masters. I should get out, onto a lawn.

Re:The Numbers Are Skued (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21042227)

What does across all SKU's mean?
It means there were 3 versions of Halo for sale. Regular, collector's edition, and legendary (with the cat helmet). All 3 of those combined sales are reported in the figures.

PS2 outselling PS3. (1)

gravis777 (123605) | about 7 years ago | (#21041363)

Kinda see now Sony's decision to remove backwards compatability from the PS3. With the PS2 still selling as strong as it is, the PS3 would be a direct competitor to their own product. Let's drop backwards compatability and then sell both consoles

Explore other market with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21041603)

NEW Windows Vista with HALO3 integration! Shoot folders,run over progress bars Blow up BSODs.

Re:Explore other market with this (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 7 years ago | (#21041781)

Not new.

Google for psdoom...

Wii selling out (1)

Taulin (569009) | about 7 years ago | (#21041945)

Since the Wii is still selling out, isn't its sales figures just a number on how many units they shipped? I know it is pretty close since I can't find them in Austin, and even my relative in Illinois can't either. Because of this, you can't really compare numbers since Wii sales are capped currently.
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