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Star Wars Television Series Moving Forward

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the seems-like-it-started-a-long-time-ago dept.

Star Wars Prequels 178

merg717 writes "George Lucas has confirmed that work has begun on a live-action Star Wars television series. This is the companion piece to the Clone Wars animated series, focusing on entirely new characters outside of the frame of the six movies. 'Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots" but wouldn't let any details slip about the true premise. The "extended universe" of "Star Wars" has come to life already in Lucas-sanctioned novels, comics and games that chronicle the history of the Jedi and tell the tales of bit players in the films, such as the bounty hunters from "The Empire Strikes Back."'"

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Already Been Done (2, Funny)

phobos13013 (813040) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041579)

Robot Chicken and Family Guy beat him to his own punch!

Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (2, Funny)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041599)

If I'm subjected to another 20 minuets of wookies talking to each other as the ONLY dialog I swear to the FSM! I liked the clone wars animated series, but the TV holiday special still gives me horrible flashbacks.

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (4, Funny)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041971)

Lucas is pretty much denying that The Christmas Special even existed. But we, the fans of Star Wars, never forget.

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (3, Informative)

techpawn (969834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042015)

Lucas is pretty much denying that The Christmas Special even existed. But we, the fans of Star Wars, never forget.
No matter how much therapy we get, we will never forget. Once it has been seen, it can not be unseen...

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042273)

Art Carney and Bea Arthur. Classic.

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (1)

rilister (316428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043739)

Here's an even bigger continuity problem for you: how does Luke losing Chewbacca in a theater full of hand-puppets fit into the Canon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMPdDa90pLY [youtube.com]
-maybe Lucas can pass Kermit off as a mutated Ewok?

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (3, Funny)

attributed insanity (1113991) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042219)

20 minuets of wookies
I'm envisaging wookies dancing to stately music in 3/4 time. Thanks.

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (1)

popeye44 (929152) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043161)

I have that Xmas special I found it somewhere. It's not dvd quality but it's very watchable.. Well at least as far as visually. As for watching the whole thing.. I'm not sure I could stomach it.

Re:Starwars: the series: The Holiday Special! (1)

superslacker87 (998043) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043563)

I know I couldn't. Word of advice: don't eat spaghetti before watching. It's not very pleasant on its way back up.

Merchandise (1)

threaded (89367) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041601)

Merchandise - where the real money from the movie is made!

Oh, and the sequels, and the repeat fees, and the spin offs ...

You left out the most important one: (1)

Enlarged to Show Tex (911413) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041731)

Syndication. Unless, of course, this is what you meant when you said 'repeat fees'...

However, I can't see this one lasting long enough to reach syndication, because it looks to me to be a thinly veiled attempt to see how much revenue Lucas can milk out of the Star Wars franchise.

Re:You left out the most important one: (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042337)

He is producing 100 episodes each so it already qualifies for syndication.
He is producing which also means that he is funding so there is no studio (other than his own) to place an order of 13 episodes to test the audience for future episodes.

Even if no one watches it, there will be 100 episodes in the can produced.

In the case of the Clone Wars, last I checked, 80ish episodes were finished. I imagine that 100 hours were storyboarded and the cuts for the episodes will come from that.
I suspect that the live action will be slightly different as different directors will be involved. I imagine that a director will probably get a 1 to 6 hour segment and episodes cut from that.

Re:You left out the most important one: (1)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042509)

If he edits later, does that mean he shoots first? /ducks for cover

Re:You left out the most important one: (1)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042875)

no, han shoots first.

Re:You left out the most important one: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21043749)

Greedo shot first, mothafucka!

It's not all crap (4, Interesting)

PlatyPaul (690601) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041867)

As was briefly touched on in TFS, the stories of the bounty hunters from ESB actually make for an interesting read. Skip all of the "Expanded" crap, and take a look here:

Tales of the Bounty Hunters [amazon.com]
ISBN-10: 0553568167
ISBN-13: 978-0553568165

Re:It's not all crap (1)

LameAssTheMity (998266) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042657)

By far, I think that the tale of IG-88 [wikipedia.org] was my favorite.

I wouldn't pass up the entire extended universe though, the Yuuzhan Vong [wikipedia.org] invasion [wikipedia.org] was pretty good.

I'd have to give the opposite advice (1)

vecctor (935163) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043681)

I think people should read everything BUT the NJO (Yuuzhan Vong) series of books. I stopped reading after the first few of those.

The Zhan Trilogy, the Corellian Trilogy, the Jedi Academy Trilogy and the X-Wing series are where it is at.

Re:It's not all crap (1)

Mayhem178 (920970) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043615)

Tales of the Bounty Hunters was one of the worst Star Wars novels, right down there with Planet of Twilight and Crystal Star. In fact, most of the "Tales of the " books were so-so at best. I'm sorry, but when you make Boba Fett out to be a wussy chump, you lose my interest entirely. And the IG-88/Death Star thing? Completely and utterly retarded. Just reading that story completely ruins the flavor of RotJ; so I prefer to pretend that I never read it.

As for the rest of the Star Wars novels, couldn't love them more. I don't know where you got this "Expanded crap" sentiment; I'm guessing that TotBH is one of the few, if not only, Star Wars novels you've read. The vast majority of the novels are great.

Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041647)

I really wish this weren't happening. Like Star Trek after Nemesis, the franchise needs to be given a rest on the big and small screens.

After I, II, and III, I'm not at all excited by the prospects of Space Balls: The TV Show

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (2, Interesting)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041729)

...the franchise needs to be given a rest...
Like many people in the "entertainment" world, George Lucas is a megalomaniac, and needs constant "action" to feel personally validated. At a certain point these guys didn't really need any more money, but a fate worse than being poor again would be to fade into the past. These people live exclusively in the Here and Now, the past is death.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041863)

That's what drives me nuts. Homeboy had already secured his place in American culture and the history of filmmaking. Then he ran roughshod over his old stuff in the interests of money, a new vision, and the like. Once upon a time, he was a decent filmmaker. Now he's just a pseudo-spiritual windbag. If I hear about the mythical or historical underpinnings of Star Wars one more time, I'm going to gag. (The obvious exception to this being later editions of The Hero With a Thousand Faces)

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21041805)

Now now, let's not shoot this down before it even hits the air. I mean, who knows -- maybe the series will climax with a series finale where an army of ewoks break the fourth wall, leaping through television sets at Skywalker Ranch, hellbent on jamming a stake up George Lucas's ass and slow-roasting him on a spit. It could be great. Have faith, young Jedi.

*sigh* Oh, who am I kidding. After the 'love story' between Anakin and Padme, it's clear what the real future of Star Wars is: Child Pornography.
I expect Chris Hanson will have something to say about this.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041903)

> maybe the series will climax with a series finale where an army of ewoks break the fourth
> wall, leaping through television sets at Skywalker Ranch

If only. It would be just enough like the end of Blazing Saddles to be really, really funny and circularly referential.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043063)

>Like Star Trek after Nemesis, the franchise needs
>to be given a rest on the big and small screens

I'm generally perplexed by comments like these. If people think something 'needs a rest' then don't watch it. Lots of people drop shows when they think they've gone on too long. If you think Star Wars is 'done' then don't watch.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043231)

When I say "needs a rest", I mean that further bad or mediocre iterations of the franchise are likely to damage the whole and make it less likely that a good iteration will be produced.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043313)

No, this is bullshit. Look, I'll admit, I like the prequels. I don't understand how anyone can dislike them. But even so, new material in no way affects the quality of the originals. If you don't like the new stuff, just ignore it and move on! Seriously, the people who say "This new stuff is so bad it ruined the original stuff for me" are being idiots, because it's not that damn hard to just pretend that the new stuff doesn't exist. Case in point: I don't like how they killed off Major Kusanagi in the Ghost in the Shell movie, so I just watch the anime, and pretend the movies don't exist. Takes next to no effort on my part.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (1)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043737)

I'm not saying that the new stuff makes the old stuff bad, I'm saying that if something new in the franchise turns out mediocre (or flops based on low expectations), then it lessens the chances that someone down the road will have the chance to do something interesting with the franchise.

I'll put it this way about the prequels: If they had been mindless action flicks, I might not have have been disappointed. As another poster pointed out, the action scenes were generally good and entertaining.

As an epic, however, the movies fall flat. The characters (with a few exceptions) aren't really that interesting. The movies never establish sympathy with the main character. If the whole series had been written around ObiWan (with Ewan MacGregor in the role) it might have been entirely different, but as it stands, little boy Anakin was cardboard and teenage Anakin was an angry, weepy bore. Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (3, Interesting)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#21044027)

Oh, ok, I must've misread. My bad.

For the record, I really did find the prequels interesting. The plot of the original movies is, in my opinion, incredibly boring and cliche, what saves them is their great setting, and great action scenes. In the prequels, on the other hand, there was a story I could actually really get into, and wrap myself around: the slow descent of someone who was innocent and good into evil. It really caught me. Of course, the amazing battle scenes didn't hurt either.

Re:Cue cynicism in 3 . . . 2 . . .(1) (2, Funny)

Spellvexit (1039042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043785)

You obviously didn't read the article, because Lucas is thinking BIG, man!

Quoth the maker: "They [the suits] are having a hard time," Lucas said. "They're saying, 'This doesn't fit into our little square boxes,' and I say, 'Well, yeah, but it's Star Wars. And Star Wars doesn't fit into that box.'"

It's going to blow your mind. Think Jar-Jar Binks. Think midi-chlorians. Think greedy Chinese stereotype aliens! Think epic romances spanning multiple star systems! This is Star Wars we're talking about, and it's not taking any guff!

Robots (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21041659)

Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots"
Considering the way Lucas directs actors, I would say that most of the Star Wars movies have been about the lives of robots.

Re:Robots (1)

tesmar (1033054) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043147)

Except for the guy who liked to wear a lot of gold and the short guy who cursed a lot.

Re:Robots (1)

blindd0t (855876) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043805)

Maybe they'll cast the Robot Ghost of Christmas Past [youtube.com] ? In case you don't know who that is, it's the one that really likes watermelon.

A Spinoff is already planned. (1)

CleverScreenName (1176231) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041693)

Star Wars: The Gungan Chronicles.

Sadly, you know George is already planning this.

Bring Back Billy Dee!

Great! (4, Insightful)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041699)

More marketing opportunities for LucasFilm! More toys! More action figures! More breakfast cereals!

People who think this was about things like "artistic vision" or "extended storytelling possibilities" probably like Jar-Jar Binks as well.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21041881)

Merchandising! Where the REAL money from the movie is made!

Expect lots of gratuitous cameos (4, Interesting)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041747)

Young Indiana Jones used horrible contrivances to get Indy to meet various famous historical figures. Expect any Star Wars TV series to do the same with characters from the movies. Oh and lots of phony CGI.

Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21041877)

As opposed to real CGI?

Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos (2, Insightful)

MontyApollo (849862) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041905)

At least it is not going to be the Adventures of Young Luke Skywalker.

Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos (4, Funny)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042429)

Of course not. That would be silly. It's going to follow a young Chewbacca; his awkward years. The humiliating defeat and associated downfall that drove him out of the Wookie Chess Club. The evening of the horrible swirlie at the hands of the lacrosse team. His attempts to prove himself by hand-building R2D2. And that pinnacle moment in his life when he joins the gun club and picks up his first bowcaster.

Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042887)

And perhaps the truth will finally come out

"Rah row row row rooh roww!
(Anakin, I am your father!)

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

Re:Expect lots of gratuitous cameos (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042999)

At least it is not going to be the Adventures of Young Luke Skywalker.

There's that at least. But if Young Indiana Jones is anything to go by, you can virtually guarantee that every episode will see the plot tangentially involve some recognizable character from the movies. An episode set on Tatooine is bound to see the main character "bump into" Shmi / Luke / Uncle Owen / Jabba or whoever. depending on the timeline.

Rinse and repeat for every damned episode until you get sick of it.

Cosmic Wars Ranch (0)

bakamaki (1148765) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041767)

"Here have some Jim-Jam cereal. It's just Alphabits with extra J's.

Re:Cosmic Wars Ranch (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042475)

I don't know what happened to Aplhabits cereal but it sucks now. It used to be a good puffed cereal but it tastes like cardboard now.

Re:Cosmic Wars Ranch (1)

Pete LaGrange (696064) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042953)

Your taste buds grew up.

I can't help but be excited (1)

janson0 (1060750) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041795)

Despite all the controversy about the prequels, as one who is working on his 65th Star Wars novel, I can't help but be excited about more Star Wars at any time :) Hopefully, they learned some good lessons from the prequels. Maybe...

Re:I can't help but be excited (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042195)

Despite all the controversy about the prequels, as one who is working on his 65th Star Wars novel, I can't help but be excited about more Star Wars at any time :) Hopefully, they learned some good lessons from the prequels. Maybe...
How do you do it? Seriously? I wrote letters to imams asking them to declare fatwas against Kevin J. Anderson for what he did to Star Wars. I picked up "I, Jedi" a few years back because I enjoyed Michael Stackpole's work on FASA books. It wasn't awful, it just wasn't good. I remembered the original Thrawn series as being quite good but I read those in high school. I haven't gone back to reread them for fear of finding out I just had poor taste back then.

The problem with the Star Wars books is that they're twaddle. If they use original trilogy characters, they can't have anything interesting happen due to fear of damaging continuity. They're as bad as Star Trek novels that way. If the Wars novels go with author-created characters, everything still ends up sucking, bland, and uninteresting. There's no life to the stories, no spark, no reason to care.

So how is it that you can find joy in them? Is this some sort of zen thing?

Do not want! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21041799)

Nooooooooo!

Acting (1)

Pentalon (466561) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041849)

By robots, he means high-quality, live-action actors under Lucas's direction, right?

Re:Acting (2, Funny)

x3rc3s (954149) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043009)

These are not the droids you are looking for.

"No Luke" FTW (4, Interesting)

Interl0per (1045948) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041869)

Not that I don't love the iconic characters from the OT, but this is exactly what I've been hoping to see in live action. If Star Wars Revelations [panicstruckpro.com] is any indication, these kinds of stories could be done on a modest budget with talented and under utilized actors that could elicit the fan response of a Han Solo -ish character while staying low-key enough to allow viewers to be swept up into the absolutely huge and mysterious setting. I think it would be an absolute blast to throw some of the Empire's more obscure minions into the spotlight as a foil to some rebellious or independent spacers on the fringe (a la "Firefly"), similar to some of the plots in the old animated "Star Wars: Droids" from the 80s.

Re:"No Luke" FTW (1)

tim_darklighter (822987) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042287)

Or go the route of TIE Fighter (the game) and tell a story from an Imperial soldier's/officer's point of view. That would be much more interesting than another rebel story. After all, not everyone employed by the Empire could have been pure evil. They did have custodial staff on the Death Star right? ;)

Re:"No Luke" FTW (1)

bryguy5 (512759) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042613)

Of course you would need to go a comedy route. Kind of a Red Dwarf anti-adventure. As bad as the last installments have been making it intentionally laughable would be a wise move (Lego Star Wars, Chad Vader -- all the good stuff is comedy). The Imperial Janitor Squad having to contatly clean up all the mess of blown up storm troopers and chocked to death officers along with some imperial beaurocrat.

I don't really expect George Lucas would make fun of his franchise or allow someone else to do it with official baking from his Studio.

Re:"No Luke" FTW (1)

sYn pHrEAk (526867) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043781)

Or like The Force Unleashed [lucasarts.com] ?

Re:"No Luke" FTW (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043909)

"They did have custodial staff on the Death Star right? ;)"

You should go rent "Clerks" and spare us the agony of someone posting the conversation the lead characters had about all the contractors working on the Death Star :-)

Re:"No Luke" FTW (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042317)

these kinds of stories could be done on a modest budget with talented and under utilized actors
And what are the chances that this is the path George Lucas will take? GEORGE LUCAS? Exacly.

Oblig Quote (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21041875)

"Pray that I do not alter it further." - George Lucas

Another Oblig Quote (5, Funny)

myawn (562028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041975)

"I've got a bad feeling about this"

Cry some more (4, Insightful)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041897)

Cue the whining! Oh no, Lucas is making a TV series I don't have to watch, and wouldn't have to pay any extra money for if I do watch it!

Whatever. What is with everyone thinking Lucas should never do anything Star Wars again because it won't be as good as the originals? So he isn't going to top his early work, so what? I'm sure it will still be better than most the other crap I'd normally watch. Personally, I think some of the other works have had great plots. In some cases, poor execution, but the good far outweighed the bad.

Re:Cry some more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21042319)

If you think the prequels are better than the 'crap' you normally watch, your standards must be incredibly low....

Re:Cry some more (2, Insightful)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042531)

Well done lightsaber duals? Check.

Cool looking robots fighting? Check.

Chase scene through asteroid field? Check.

Space battles? Check.

Wookies fighting robots? Check.

Yoda decapitating whatever is in his way? Check.

Excellent CGI? Check.

So there was some weak lines in it and Jar Jar was poor comic relief. Still way better than most movies.

Re:Cry some more (3, Insightful)

andphi (899406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042855)

Enormous Plot Holes? (The Jedi are mysterious, subtle, mystical monks in 4, 5, 6, and 1 and target practice in 2 and 3.)

Inverse Ninja Effect? (Two Sith vs hundreds of Jedi.)

One and Two Dimensional Characters?

Insipid Romance?

Huge CGI sets which swallow the cast?

Re:Cry some more (2, Funny)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042985)

Whatever. What is with everyone thinking Lucas should never do anything Star Wars again because it won't be as good as the originals?
you haven't seen his later movies have you?

Re:Cry some more (1)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043273)

Exactly. Every time George Lucas or Star Wars comes up, you can just sense the impending flamage like a disturbance in the Force. These people seem to think that the original trilogy was some sort of exercise in great film making. Sorry, it just wasn't. It was the same whiz-bang special effects fest that the prequel trilogy is, simply with older SFX tech. They just need to get over themselves.

For the record: Star Wars was the first movie that I ever saw in a theater back in '77. I've seen both the OT and PT more times than I can remember.

Well I hope its good, but not holding my breath! (1, Insightful)

olddotter (638430) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041935)

As a long time Star Wars fan, I was badly disappointed with the prequels. I'd like this to be good, but I'll watch it with low expectations.

Will this be a SitCom? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041941)

I have to wonder 'cause I know it's not a "reality show"... at least I hope not. "Who wants to be a Jedi?" would be a snazzy title though...

Re:Will this be a SitCom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21042197)

So you think you can use the Force?

Battlestar Galactica (5, Interesting)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041957)

Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days.

Unfortunately for Lucasarts, anything they're likely to produce probably won't turn out half as good as Battlestar - which is kind of ironic considering that the original Battlestar Galactica really began as a Star Wars ripoff (or at least was discounted as such by critics at the time).

Really, though, BSG really beat the Star Wars prequel at their own game - the vintage tech and mannerisms give the Battlestar Galactica universe the old-school, 'epic' feel that the original SW trilogy had and the prequels lacked.

The kid in me really wants to see some Star Wars in the flavor of the original trilogy, though. Perhaps being constrained to a TV budget will actually help it meet that end - real props instead of 100% CGI backgrounds and 50% CGI characters; plot-and-character-driven instead of flashy lightsaber battles, etc.

Re:Battlestar Galactica (3, Insightful)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042009)

Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days

Firefly too; Man I wish that show hadn't been canceled.

Re:Battlestar Galactica (3, Insightful)

andyh3930 (605873) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042547)

The reason why Firefly and BSG works so well is that the episodes are character driven first, great plots second and cemented with FX. You get to know them, hate them, love them, feel for them, with Firefly who wouldn't would to travel aboard Serenity. Joss wrote them as people you'd meet down the street, Star Wars and the Trek canon, its all to black and white goodies and baddies, life ain't like that. Picard trolls around the galaxy with his shiny Starship that can blow nearly anything out of the black, so they can afford their Prime Directive and when they can't they, the writers use some Dues Ex Machina to get round the problem. Thats turns boring real soon. In BSG and Firefly you have to fight, fight or die. It becomes interesting, right and wrong are shades of grey and you might think that some of the things the 'good' characters do are wrong and the 'bad' characters good. Mal shot First!! (Shiny)

Re:Battlestar Galactica (1)

just_forget_it (947275) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043285)

That's a lot of the reason people prefer TOS to the TNG-era series. Kirk regularly went against the high-minded principles of the Federation. He was a swash-buckling rebel while Picard, Janeway, and--to a much smaller extent--Sisko were all straight-laced robots that couldn't wait to quote Federation laws and uphold Federation principles at every possible opportunity. Granted, they did go against orders once in a while, but it was always a big deal and they always made the same speech to their bridge crew ("I'm about to violate a direct order from Starfleet Command, does anyone object?" -- as if anyone ever does, then the logical robot and/or Vulcan will inevitably say something out-of-character). Kirk didn't have time for principles and speeches to the bridge crew, he was about getting things done.

Firefly and BSG definitely brought out that "real life" feeling that Sci-Fi TV DESPERATELY needs. I'd personally love to see a gritty, real-life version of Star Trek. I had hoped that's what Enterprise would offer, but instead it was the same old crap with a smaller, uglier bridge.

Re:Battlestar Galactica (3, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042487)

Battlestar Galactica has proven that it's possible to create cinema-quality special effects and atmosphere on a TV show budget these days.
Visually, I'll have to agree with you. The whole bit about having to use wired phones and paper printouts on computers is a bit silly but the overall look of the show is polished and competent. The space CGI is breathtaking. The actors also managed to portray themselves and deliver lines with convincing aplomb. But, and this is key, BSG demonstrates that you still need writers and a frickin' plan to avoid going off into stupid land. As has already been demonstrated, the Cylons did not have a plan because the writers themselves never knew what it was. You don't start writing a murder mystery without having already worked the crime out in your head so you can lay the proper clues leading up to the killer. Work without a plan and you wind up with surprise Cylon sleeper agents listening to Bob Dylan on their toaster ipods.

Unfortunately for Lucasarts, anything they're likely to produce probably won't turn out half as good as Battlestar - which is kind of ironic considering that the original Battlestar Galactica really began as a Star Wars ripoff (or at least was discounted as such by critics at the time).
That's the funny thing. The best stories come when one or more people say "Damnit, I've got a tale that needs to be told. Who do I have to beat over the head to make this happen?" The worst stories tend to happen when a suit says "It's about time to crank another one off, I want some money." Sometimes the suit can find someone with a story worth telling and put them in charge but not often. The suits don't care.

Really, though, BSG really beat the Star Wars prequel at their own game - the vintage tech and mannerisms give the Battlestar Galactica universe the old-school, 'epic' feel that the original SW trilogy had and the prequels lacked.
The worst kind of writing is where characters feel like they're jerked along through a plot because of what's written on paper. The best kind of writing lets you feel like everything has already happened for real, true and human reasons and the writer is just letting you in on what happened, recording it as it occurred. The same goes for directing. The nuTrilogy looked like unconvincing cheesy greenscreen because it was unconvincing cheesy greenscreen and the actors just couldn't sell it as anything but. Compare this with actors in a theater who can convince you anything is happening when standing on a frickin' stage. It's not a failure or limitation of the craft, it's a failure of the director to make the magic happen.

The kid in me really wants to see some Star Wars in the flavor of the original trilogy, though. Perhaps being constrained to a TV budget will actually help it meet that end - real props instead of 100% CGI backgrounds and 50% CGI characters; plot-and-character-driven instead of flashy lightsaber battles, etc.
The only thing that could save a new Star Wars project is if you could get someone with a big brassy set of balls in charge, like a Joss or a JMS, give them the budget and authority to make it happen, stand back and let them go to work. But that's not going to happen. What you're going to get is a Lucas or a that idiot from Paramount whose name I'm blocking out who ran Trek into the ground after Rodenberry died, you'll just get some talentless hack or minion of Satan like Uwe Boll involved and it will turn into another festering, rotting, diseased pile of sludge with the Star Wars label affixed to it like an olive on a toothpick poking out of the top of a turd sandwich. Bon appetit, bitches.

Re:Battlestar Galactica (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043871)

So, if Star Wars DOES become as good as BSG & as Firefly, then can we say that Star Wars ripped THEM off? Ironic, turnabout. The original BSG was not nearly as good as the current BSG, nor as Star Wars, as some would say. Now, we get to see if the NEW Star Wars series/prequel/whatever will be worse than the original BSG or Star Wars. I just can't see Star Wars making people laugh, cry, alternately root for the bad guy/good guy, reflect/ponder and TOUCH, resonate with the human psyche nearly as nicely as "BSG retold" does. At least, it can't for me.

(I once walked out on Star Wars, the one in 1999, in SF, on Geary and 3rd area, and people were gasping, shocked that anyone would. Heads actually TURNED in our direction. Well, it was my then-girlfriend, and these ASSHOLES (group of 4 or 5 ppl) had a wet seat between them, and I OFFERED to take the wet seat, just so I could sit next to my girlfriend, and they snickered, the kind of males they were, jeered as if they were not going to let this couple enjoy being side-by-side. (It was a FULL house, and seemed only 3 seats were empty-- the wet one and two separated seats separated by these jerks...)

I was hurt, and it felt undignified. She was hurt, too, considering it was he first year to the US (from China) and expected BETTER of such hard-core, devoted, seemingly-nice fans of an iconic American fi... movie. So, I nodded askingly and we joined up and left. I felt a sense of sadness and gratification to WALK OUT in only 10 minutes. It was the most sad walk-out, even tho I was there for HER, not for myself (I am a Trek/BST/Crusade/etc fan), and I still have not seen that issue of Star wars.)

Uh oh.... (4, Funny)

Sneftel (15416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21041961)

Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots" but wouldn't let any details slip about the true premise

Ten years ago, I would have assumed he was kidding.

Thanks, George! (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042033)

Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we've just lost our happy memories, but what we've seen speaks for itself. The Star Wars universe has apparently been taken over -- 'conquered' if you will -- by a master race of lucky pseudo-talented hacks. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether the leader George will consume the captive audience or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping him; the hack will soon be here.

And I, for one, welcome our childhood-destroying overlords. I'd like to remind George that as a trusted member of the geekdom, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in his underground mass merchandising caves.

What are you talking about? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042241)

Did he stick a shrimp fork up your nose and poke your brain until you forgot about your childhood?

Did he use some sort of ray to change your memories?

Are you stupid?

I have great memories of going to the thater to watch star wars many, many time. I had many fantastic conversation as a boy about star wars.

No matter what stink turd Lucas lays, he can't take those memories away.

And on a more specific note: He won't make you watch it.

Re:What are you talking about? (1)

sykodoc (763810) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042573)

Please just keep the shrimp forks you keep borrowing, okay? thanks.

Re:What are you talking about? (1)

absoluteflatness (913952) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043189)

When the post you're replying to is just partially-relevant words substituted into lines from "The Simpsons", I think it can be safely ignored, or treated as a poor attempt at comedy.

Slightly better than just "I, for one, welcome our new blank overlords", but not by enough.

In Imperial Mos Eisley... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21042035)

... Han Solo Shoots first >_

George please, just stop. (1)

ThatDamnMurphyGuy (109869) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042049)

There is nothing funny down this road. No good can come of this. Let's the franchise become a classic by doing no more in it instead of raping it to death over and over and over.

And over.

Color me "who the fuck cares anymore" (4, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042097)

I'm not going to say George Lucas raped my childhood. That's hyperbolic and silly. What he did was run a very fun series straight into the ground. As a kid I was "yay, Star Wars!" As a teen I was still "yay, nostalgia!" Right up until the CGI-addled re-release I as "yay, I could watch these movies once a year and never get bored." Then Phantom Menace came out. "Huh, that was Star Wars?" By ROTS I'm "Meh, Star Wars." Watching the movies once a year around Christmastime was a family tradition. Well, I'll pick up the DVD version of the untouched original trilogy -- used, so Lucas doesn't make any more money, but that'll be my last Star Wars purchase. The expanded universe is boring, the games are uninspired, the "property" is being treated like a "franchise" and I just can't work up a shit to give about it.

Firefly was like the new Star Wars, a wild west space opera. That's the kind of wit and energy that should be brought to a new Star Wars project and it's just something we're not going to see. Lord of the Rings is now my big epic trilogy to watch over the holidays.

Re:Color me "who the fuck cares anymore" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21043355)

"Lord of the Rings is now my big epic trilogy to watch over the holidays."

Ah, yes...the walking movie.

the only star wars thing I'm waiting for is. . . (1)

rev_sanchez (691443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042133)

Knights of the Old Republic 3. Don't tie the story to the first two and add a few more bells and whistles and I'm happy.

Re:the only star wars thing I'm waiting for is. . (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043387)

I must agree. KOTOR 1 was a FAR more intriguing and interesting story than anything shown in the prequels.

Of course, there were some bad ones in that bunch too. Remember the old Jedi Knight? (aka Dark Forces 2) That was the first game I ever saw rendered on a 3d accelerated system (3dfx Voodoo, and it rocked at the time). Gameplay wasn't bad, but man the story was stupid. This guy, who looks like 30-ish, just finds a lightsaber, and through some video recordings of an old buddy he learns to be an extremely powerful Jedi. It's like a friggen Jedi home study course from ITT Tech! Now, even before the new series kinda established that Jedi training is EXTREMELY intensive and a kid at about 8 years old was considered too far gone to start training, this game still seemed incredibly stupid in that regard.

A word of advice to Lucas... (1)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042157)

What made the original Star Trek was the fact they had some of the best science fiction writers of the day doing stories for the series. The later series began using a team of staff writers and their incestuous and gratuitous ideas ultimately killed the franchise. A series like Star Wars can work, as the Star Wars universe is so large, but it has to have good stories. Soliciting from a number of writers from the upper ends of the sci-fi writing community would be great. A stable of hacks, not so good...

Re:A word of advice to Lucas... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21043185)

I'm sure some big name sci-fi writers would jump at the chance to play in a Star Wars sandbox but why not use this as an opportunity to bring back the old Star Trek system of fan submissions? Once you get past the mountains of horrible fanfic this might be a way to find some new talent.

This is a good thing (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042189)

If it sucks, don't watch it, but at least there is a chance it will be good. What would be wrong with a good sci-fi show?

Again 4 -5- 6 -1-2-3 (1)

F4_W_weasel (989270) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043765)

Look, this one is easy to bet, he will tell the story backwards, no it is not in flashback, it is really backwards...
So watch the last episode, on the pilot show...

Looks like he's chosen the cast already (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042193)

Lucas joked that the series would be about "the life of robots"
Starring Hayden Christensen.

CSI: Tattooine (5, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042245)

"Look sir, Droids!"

Re:CSI: Tattooine (3, Funny)

gotem (678274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042775)

"Forget it, something tells me these are not the droids we are looking for"

I'll just wait and see. (3, Insightful)

Amazetbm (1087099) | more than 6 years ago | (#21042799)

Instead of ranting, I'll reserve my judgment until I see what they've developed. The animated series looks like it could be half-way decent. But then again, that was only a trailer.

The Right Solution (4, Interesting)

TheRhino (87111) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043049)

McCallum is interviewing writers for the live-action series. Here's a tip for you, Rick: Stop the interviews. Hire Timothy Zahn as the head writer. Then hire any combination of Michael Stackpole [wikipedia.org] , A.C. Crispin [wikipedia.org] , Kevin Anderson [wikipedia.org] , and Kristine Kathryn Rusch [wikipedia.org] as his staff. There. Done. Let Lucas cast the vision, but leave the rest up to Zahn and his team. And for the director, get Joss [wikipedia.org] Whedon [imdb.com] . Seriously. I can't stress this enough. He would do it exactly right [wikipedia.org] .

Re:The Right Solution (3, Funny)

San-LC (1104027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043467)

Kevin Anderson? Really? You DO know he wrote Darksaber, right? And made Palpatine rise from the dead? And made a new Death Star? Good lord, if we had KJA writing for a TV show, it might as well be called "The Young and the Alliance." We'd have Admirals having amnesia every few hours and random people coming back from the dead to try and TAKE OVER THE GALAXY. Space Soap Opera, Ahoy!

Re:The Right Solution (3, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043497)

You actually want Kevin Anderson to leave his poop trailings all over a Star Wars TV show? His rape of the Dune universe wasn't sufficient?

Well, after the first three I suppose the whole property can't be any more degraded...

The True Premise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21043077)

Squeeze every last penny out of the Star Wars saga until we all hate it.

I'm sure whatever over-CGI'ed 30-minute glorified toy commercial that follows will make the Star Wars Holiday Special look like Academy Award material.

Look, I understand the nerd love of Star Wars... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 6 years ago | (#21043473)

But how much more are we going to milk this stuff?

Let it die, let new sci-fi pave the way. The problem is we have such hardcore lovers that want Star Wars EVERYTHING that we miss out on what could be really great stuff.

Case in point: Firefly.

That's a series I would have loved to see continue.

Star Wars sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21043983)

Except for the original trilogy

jar jar dies in first episode (2, Informative)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 6 years ago | (#21044101)

Guaranteed highest rated show on TV if jar-jar dies an appallingly brutal death in the first 5 minutes.
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