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Very High Tech - Elevator Garages in an NYC Hi-Rise

Zonk posted more than 5 years ago | from the moving-on-up dept.

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theodp writes "If the hassle of getting groceries from the parking garage to your 12th floor condo has been holding you back from buying a deluxe apartment in the sky, wait no more. Wired reports on the En-Suite Sky Garages at 200 Eleventh Avenue (Flash) in Chelsea, where an 8,000-pound-capacity freight elevator will whisk your Bentley directly into your pad. The convenience doesn't come cheap — a garage-equipped 2BR starts at $4.7M."

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Cheaper than parking on the street (4, Interesting)

jihadist (1088389) | more than 5 years ago | (#21068937)

New York parking prices are insane and with all the traffic, it's cheaper and faster to bicycle through the freezing snow and angry muggers. Maybe that will eventually make it a "green" city.

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 5 years ago | (#21068973)

New York... with all the traffic... bicycle through the freezing snow and angry muggers.

Sounds like a terrific arcade game! :)

Sort of... (4, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 5 years ago | (#21068995)

It's like Grand Theft Auto, only you're playing the hooker.

Re:Sort of... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069205)

So Wrong! Sooo Funny!!! Sadly, so true....

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (1)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069011)

Multi-level too. Yay :-)

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069269)

Not exactly the same. [wikipedia.org] Your comment did remind me of that game though.

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (2, Insightful)

hax0r_this (1073148) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069079)

1. Too many cars 2. Don't get a car 3. Less cars 4. Get a car Too many cars isn't going to result in less cars. High gas prices, on the other hand, might.

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (5, Interesting)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069235)

Too many cars isn't going to result in less cars. High gas prices, on the other hand, might

Perhaps, but only perhaps. Over here in Europe (assuming you're American, sorry) gas prices are already very high. Filling up my car is a good 70€ these days, and I live in one of the "cheaper" countries in Europe.

Yet, every morning, there is a steel queue in direction of the closest city. All going to work. It's 8:15 now. Would I leave for work now, getting to my workplace, would take about 35 to 40 minutes. Leaving in an hour or so, will cut that back to 15 minutes or less. Parking is no problem for me, my workplace provides those. Others are less lucky and easily pay 15€ or more a day.

Of course, I'm one of the bad guys in the game too. My workplace is 10km from here, I have a bicycle road practially from my home to my workplace. I used it a few times in the summer. It's fun, but you get at work completely sweaty (it's a hilly country and most of the time I'm going uphill). There are no showers at my workplace, and you see where I'm going. :-(

Public transportation you say? Takes ~50 minutes. 25 minutes walking to the train station, 10minutes train, waiting for the bus another 5 minutes, the bus standing in traffic 10 minutes. That's of course when I'm lucky and don't miss a train or a bus. Yes, I also did this before.

So, just jacking up the gas prices won't help much. From my point of view the time saved is worth the price, so unless gas prices become unaffordable for the common man, nothing will change.

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069301)

That's exactly what is going to happen. Private transportation is a privilege for our rich masters. It is our proper lot in life to sit in the dust waiting in huddled masses, contemplating our inferiority to the highborn elite as they pass by us in motorized carriages. That's why gas prices are being raised beyond our means by forces beyond our control.

One Word: Scooter (2, Insightful)

BlackGriffen (521856) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069333)

Though bicycling is preferable, even if it does get you sweaty.

Re:One Word: Scooter (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069373)

Yeah, it's yet another purchase, yet another insurance. Mileage is great of course. Evidently, the scooter isn't allowed on the bicycle road and thus would force me to take the road with all the cars, making it very very dangerous.

I don't even want to imagine how it handles on snow and ice... Even if I would take the bicycle road, do you really think that the bicycle road has a "priority status" for cleaning up? Nah, don't think so. Besides, my wife would kill me if I bought anything resembling a motorcycle. She already forces me to wear one of those silly bike helmets. Bah!

The day, I'll work in the same office as you, I'll promise to take the bike to work every day. I hope you'll sit within one metre of me.... :-D

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (2, Interesting)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069415)

Of course, I'm one of the bad guys in the game too. My workplace is 10km from here, I have a bicycle road practially from my home to my workplace. I used it a few times in the summer. It's fun, but you get at work completely sweaty (it's a hilly country and most of the time I'm going uphill). There are no showers at my workplace, and you see where I'm going. :-(
___

Get an elektrobike, that's what I did. It's exactly for that, no sweat. It 'removes' the hills from your road, it's like biking _down_ the hill.

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (1)

Xiph1980 (944189) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069451)

sorry, didn't see your reply.
Guess I saw that line as a comment...
Modded you redundant for what I thought was just a repeat of previous poster. Aiming to undo my modding by posting this post ;)

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (1)

MaXMC (138127) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069445)

You could cut like 15 minutes of the Public transportation trip by using the bicycle to the station...

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069601)

Why get a folding bike and ride to the station? Take it easy and you don't sweat, I assume our vaguely in condition. You can then fold up your bike and get on your bus, get off the other end and ride to work.

Even better on your way home you could ride all of the way.....

http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/ [bromptonbicycle.co.uk]

Re:Cheaper than parking on the street (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069261)

...bicycle through the freezing snow...
Sounds like some global warming would do you good. :)

Only 8k lbs (1)

partowel (469956) | more than 5 years ago | (#21068943)

Oh where can I put my 10k lbs of food now?

Its not enough.

How can they be so inconsiderate?

Re:Only 8k lbs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069027)

Your homepage is down. YOU SUCK!

When I'm rich (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21068959)

When I'm rich I'm going to wave at all you peasants from my sky garage.

Walk you peon!

They will sell (1)

kryten250 (1177211) | more than 5 years ago | (#21068975)

I live in NYC, you don't see 500k+ Mercedes Benz McClarens parked in front of the corner store every night. If you can afford a car like that then the asking price isn't much. I doubt many volvo's will be on the elevator.

Re:They will sell (4, Insightful)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069323)

It would be much more cost effective to pay somebody else to haul your groceries up the stairs.

one at a time please! (4, Insightful)

lucas teh geek (714343) | more than 5 years ago | (#21068999)

yay, now along with being stuck in traffic every morning, you also get the pleasure of waiting for your turn to use the damn lift every morning before you can even leave home.

Re:one at a time please! (5, Funny)

kryten250 (1177211) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069145)

Reminds me of the kids at toy stores who keep pushing the button. I bet 'that' won't be a problem. --If I see a kid push it more than 5 times then I act flustered and say "That's too fast! It's gonna crash!!" and run away. The looks alone are worth it...

Re:one at a time please! (2, Interesting)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069285)

Very funny, but I suspect this thing is going to be controlled with a keycard coded to your aparment. Insert keycard, you and your car go to the parking, you leave car, open door and you're in your hallway. So, no button-pushing pranksters, I fear.

one at a time please!--Jetsons. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069335)

I think my idea's better. The apartments go up and down and the cars stay put.

Re:one at a time please! (4, Insightful)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069405)

If you're that rich, are you going to queue up to go to work in the morning? Naah, wait for the rabble to clear first.

Elevator Garage? (1, Insightful)

teebob21 (947095) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069003)

What a colossal waste of living space and energy. This is a prime example of convenience trumping common sense. The kinetic energy alone to lift a 1000kg car up 50 meters to your garage exceeds 1.3 kW, even at a leisurely 6 minute round-trip pace. (1000kg*50m*9.8m/s^2*360sec = ~1300 W)

Now lets say you take the car out every day: 40 kW per person per month, 480kW/year person. If only 100 units are available in the building, that's 48MW of power used annually. Just to park the damn Bentley! The ironic bit is that the rich fat cats that will pay for this sort of convenience are the same ones that cry about "hurting the environment" every time someone wants to build a development outside the city (granted, the point may be valid). Start practicing what you preach, eh?

Re:Elevator Garage? (2, Insightful)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069049)

I dont know why you assume that the people that will be living in there are hypocrites.

People that care about the environment and live in new york just do not own cars. New York is rare in that it is much more convenient if you do not own a car and it is a complete pain in the ass if you do (and insist on using it). So if you care about the environment the choice is pretty simple.

I think people that will be living in that building just do not give a shit about the environment and need some way to get the out of the city and to the hamptons without having to use public transportation of any kind.
 

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

teebob21 (947095) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069147)

People that care about the environment and live in new york just do not own cars.

I agree with you that those who actually care are making the choice to use public transit when possible. Those who insist on their own Bentley to get out to the Hamptons, as well as a lift to park their car on the 17th floor yet still make a public showing of their "support" for environmental causes are hypocrites.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

heyguy (981995) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069297)

You're right - those who are hypocrites are indeed hypocrites.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069053)

The ironic bit is that the rich fat cats that will pay for this sort of convenience are the same ones that cry about "hurting the environment"
But they bought "carbon credits"..... HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

Robert1 (513674) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069061)

Don't be dense. I'm sure as the elevator is lowering cars its being braked by a giant magnet and reclaiming most of the energy it used to lift the car. Just pretend its a giant a hybrid car.

Re:Elevator Garage? (5, Informative)

jdhutchins (559010) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069081)

Units, units my friend. While watts is a unit of power, it is not a unit of energy- you probably meant to think kilowatt-hours.

Your equation for energy required to lift a car was wrong- regardless of the units you put on the end, Work = F*distance, not F*time (which is change in momentum)

Your calculations *should* have been:

Work required to lift a 1000kg car 50 meters: W = mg(deltaH) = 1000 * 9.8 * 50 = 490kJ
Work required to lift your car every day for a year: 178.85MJ

In more familiar units, since 1 kWh = 3 600 000 J,
Energy required to lift the car: 0.1361 kWh
Energy required to lift your car per year: 49.68 kWh
Energy required for 100 units: 4.97MHh

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

teebob21 (947095) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069105)

I see you caught this sooner that I could type the post correcting it. I should have gone to bed an hour ago, instead of typing the OP...but thanks to mods who see an outlandish claim and don't bother verifying, it'll still probably get modded up. :)

Re:Elevator Garage? (4, Interesting)

Rudisaurus (675580) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069243)

Re modding up -- that's sadly true; they already have. :)

GP beat me to it. But just to put things in perspective, the energy required to lift your 1000 kg car once is roughly equivalent to leaving a 100 W light bulb lit for 81 mins. Surprisingly modest, actually.

Cheers, Rudi

Re:Elevator Garage? (4, Funny)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069457)

Aren't electric motors amazing? They tell me they're going to run cars some day =)

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069549)

"Aren't electric motors amazing? They tell me they're going to run cars some day =)"

Erm... I think the elevator works that way because they have a counterweight on the other side. I may be mistaken about that, but I don't think it's simply a matter of an electric motor single-handedly lifting 8,000 lbs.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069633)

The counterweight cancels out the weight of the lift, so the electric motors only have to lift the weight of the car, not the car+lift.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

complete loony (663508) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069527)

Plus with the right setup you could get a lot of that energy back when the car goes down again.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

kf6auf (719514) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069623)

Oddly enough, the power it takes to lift a car 50 meters is also the power generated by lowering a car 50 meters. If you generate power on the way down, the net effect is pretty small (due to losses like friction).

Re:Elevator Garage? (0)

teebob21 (947095) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069089)

Correction: My initial numbers were wrong. Using conventional units of measurement, the one-way lift power would be approximately 136.1 watt-hours per lift. For a single day use of 100 lifts, that's 13.6 kW-h daily use. Per year, this is roughly 4967 kw-h. The typical US household averages about 10000 kW-h annually. Forgive my late night physics and math.

Re:Elevator Garage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069141)

So in other words, if one hundred people all use this elevator daily, the total energy cost is equivalent to less than one half of one average US household. Or to put it another way, each individual will add 0.5% of one average US household to his energy usage. Oh, how horrible and wasteful this must be....

Re:Elevator Garage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069427)

Your numbers are still wrong. Please: If you are to dumb for math, please refrain from making us as dumb as you are by posting your wrong assumptions. Thank you for your cooperation.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

j_sp_r (656354) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069651)

You forget you need to accelerate(!) and de accelerate the lift+car+counterweight. Because those lifts will be fast, so burn energy faster then necessarily needed.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069091)

Just to park the damn Bentley!

Perhaps you haven't been to New York lately, there aren't any places to park in the city. What few slots remaining are either auctioned off for well over a hundred grand (highest I've heard was 225k with a waiting list) or run by shady theiving assholes like impark.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

Jartan (219704) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069157)

This is a prime example of convenience trumping common sense. The kinetic energy alone to lift a 1000kg car up 50 meters to your garage exceeds 1.3 kW, even at a leisurely 6 minute round-trip pace. (1000kg*50m*9.8m/s^2*360sec = ~1300 W)


Except it's an elevator. If they build an elevator to lift cars without a counterweight or it's equivalent I'll be baffled. I'm sure there will be plenty of things to spend your environmental anger on in such a high style building but I doubt even a car elevator is one of them.

Re:Elevator Garage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069185)

You interchange talking about energy and power. Watts are a measure of power, not energy. The SI unit for energy is the Joule. The common measurement of energy involving watts is the watt hour (3600 Joules) or the kilowatt hour (3.6 * 10^6 Joules).

The correct formula for energy to lift the car (unrealistically assuming 100% efficiency) is Energy = mass * acceleration * distance = 1000kg * 9.8m/s^2 * 50m = 490,000 J = 136.1 Wh = 140 Calories (kilocalories) = 2.6 Oreos = 0.0041 Gallons of Gasoline.

Secondly, who lives in NYC and uses their own car to commute to work everyday? Either you are poor and use the Subway or you are rich and you have car service. This is a car to take on a drive to the Hamptons. That would use a heck of a lot more energy than lifting the car up. Heck, driving a Bentley any significant distance in NYC traffic would exceed the energy use of the elevator.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069217)

The kinetic energy alone to lift a 1000kg car up 50 meters to your garage exceeds 1.3 kW, even at a leisurely 6 minute round-trip pace. (1000kg*50m*9.8m/s^2*360sec = ~1300 W)

The watt is a unit of power, not energy. Your figures work out to 490,000 Joules to lift the car, which is 0.14 kWh. At 10-20 cents per kWh, that is less than most people tip the parking valet.

Now lets say you take the car out every day: 40 kW per person per month, 480kW/year person. If only 100 units are available in the building, that's 48MW of power used annually.

You're confusing power & energy again. If 100 people ride the elevator once a day, every day for a year, that would be 5 MWh of energy, which isn't a whole lot.

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

Bo'Bob'O (95398) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069299)

Going 50 feet upwards takes the same energy no matter how you get there. Less so when you hoist it straight up with an efficient direct drive AC motor from a well maintained power plant then from an internal combustion engine. Without all the extra driving around, it's more efficient then having to park in a parking stricture, and FAR more efficient then having to drive around and find an empty spot.

Re:Elevator Garage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069447)

Actually, you only need to use the energy once. This is a repetitive process, so you can store energy going one way, and repay it going the other. The counterweight does this effectively. If you tune the counterweight to each car (perhaps with water?) the whole process could be almost energy neutral (discounting friction and the energy required to haul up the counterweight the first time).

I remember this from my early schooldays. But then, I'm not American.....

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

jaxtherat (1165473) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069303)

I don't see why this is flamebait... Sure, him maths is all off, but the idea is right. This is such a bloody waste... Oh sure, the consumer pays accordingly, but surely there should be some limits to our excesses :(

Re:Elevator Garage? (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069531)

Elevators use counterweights and pulleys. It's not actually exerting the energy required to lift a car off the ground against gravity. Therefore it's a lot less wasteful than the car it's carrying.

Described in 1970 Heinlein Book (5, Interesting)

GoSmalltalk (42449) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069015)

This was described fully in Heinlein's "I will Fear No Evil". While the book wasn't exactly great Heinlein, it does describe apartment buildings with elevators for your cars. They are needed because in that worldview, crime was so rampant that your car was an upolstered tank, and your home was a fortress. Happily, that particularly dark vision has yet to come. However, it was written in the years of "burn, baby, burn" and very high crime, so it is certainly fodder for speculative fiction.

Re:Described in 1970 Heinlein Book (4, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069101)

Happily, that particularly dark vision has yet to come.

Dark vision?

That was Heinlein's depiction of a libertarian paradise!

Wow, so soon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069033)

It's like Japan 5 years ago or something.

That's no joke -- when the Americans are only 5 years behind the Japanese, you know something's up.

Re:Wow, so soon! (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069385)

Or Sydney, 20 years ago. Vehicle storage buildings are nothing new. People use them because they have a very low footprint. You can stack a lot of cars in a very small lot.

A company I worked for used to build them. They got out before I started because maintenance calls were a bitch. Imagine what happens when one of these jams and people *need* their car.

Re:Wow, so soon! (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069603)

5? More like 20+. They had elevator equiped parking garages when I lived there in 1989, and they weren't new then.

wow! (5, Funny)

j-stroy (640921) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069045)

That means I could make out in a car and an elevator at the same time! If I had a girlfriend, and 4.7 million.. But just think of it! A girlfriend!

Re:wow! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069067)

Sad thing is that, in the case of most people on this site, $4.7 million is easier to obtain than a girlfriend.

Re:wow! (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069073)

If you can afford nearly five million bucks just to get your car to the door of your apartment, believe me, getting a girlfriend won't be a problem.

Re:wow! (1)

Tuoqui (1091447) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069099)

It will if you're like 800lbs from not walking from the garage.

Re:wow! (2, Insightful)

MLease (652529) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069357)

Actually, the combination of 800lbs and a multi-million net worth is very attractive to some. They figure they'll probably only have to put up with you for a few weeks after the wedding before you drop dead of a heart attack or stroke, and they inherit everything. Sooner, if they're hot enough....

-Mike

Re:wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069463)

Actually, the combination of 800lbs and a multi-million net worth is very attractive to some.

Is that your excuse for eating all the pies?

Re:wow! (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069471)

Hah! You're not counting on the combination of an airhead and a trust conduit. Death at an early age from weight-induced heart attack? Not that bad if you're getting some hot sex up till the end, AND your fortune goes to a non-profit dedicated to instead of the gold digger. Check. Mate.

Re:wow! (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069209)

You can even get two chicks at the same time!

Re:wow! (1)

Anpheus (908711) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069635)

Dude, if I had a million dollars...

Re:wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069469)

Now, i actually have a girlfriend (really, i'm only posting anonymously because i have moderated in this thread and this would be a waste of mod points) and i can tell you a little secret: Having a girlfriend (and fucking) is not what you believe it to be when jerking off. While there are surely sluts out there who you can fuck whenever you want, most girls will involve work or lets say, most relationsships involve lot of maintenance. Most guys end up making themselves virtually slaves of their girlfriends (doing nasty things like cleaning up, stopping sitting all day at the computer and so on and on) just for the chance of one (or two, if your are lucky) fucks per week. Now i really like having real life sex and this is what still keeps me in my relationship, but if i could decide again with what i know now, i would probably not get a girlfriend but save my nerves (and money) and get to a hooker every now and then.

Re:wow! (1)

iamacat (583406) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069607)

Well, did you try to expect more from your girlfriend than fucking you 1-2 times a week? Like dressing sexy, stopping sitting all day yapping with girlfriends on the phone and so on and on. After all, human relationships are supposed to have depth. It's no fun hanging around with someone who is messy and doesn't talk to you much. If all you are interested is sex without any effort on your part to make yourself attractive, by all means dump your girlfriend and find a good hooker. Why would you want to spend your life being a slave and waste time on things you are not interested in.

Groceries (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069093)

I used to live on the 23rd floor of a high-rise in Chicago. Groceries were never a problem. The 1st floor of the building was a grocery store and they delivered with purchases of $20 or more (excluding alcohol and cigarettes). Likewise all the local grocery stores would deliver to your apartment free of charge with a minimum purchase. You could phone or fax your grocery order in and pay for it on delivery (even pay with a check) or you could go down and select your items, pay for them, and one of the box boys would lug the stuff up for you.

It would've been possible for a hermit to never leave the building. The local laundry picked up and delivered for free. The drug store would deliver prescriptions for free. And we had a full gym with half-Olympic pool on the 5th floor. There was even a dog-walk service available for a small fee. That's how things work in inner cities.

Your all missing the point - it's about security (5, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069113)

Security for both you and your car. no bitch can key your $250k car and no homeless bum can jump you in the car park.

I would totally pay for one if i had the cash.

Re:Your all missing the point - it's about securit (1, Redundant)

scott_karana (841914) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069489)

Your $250K car is really worth a $4M elevator?

Re:Your all missing the point - it's about securit (1)

beh (4759) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069569)

And - and secure underground parking would not solve this issue?

Besides - now you don't just have a gas guzzling car, but you can waste loads of energy just getting it up to your floor.
(Unless, of course, you'd want the house to make Al Gore's home electricity consumption look "moderate")

The whole sounds pretty braindead to me (plus - I don't want to see what happens when the first depressed rich guy commits suicide by driving his car out through the wall on the 10th or so floor -- structural damage to the building; not to mention passers by underneath; ...)

On top of that, I'm not sure I'd even want the exhaust gas from the car (just the bit from driving in/out of the elevator) in my flat.

Oh - and if I have USD4.7m to spend on a flat - what makes you think I have a one-car household; or will I get my own personal parking deck holding 3 or 4 cars)?

Consider (5, Insightful)

fishbowl (7759) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069161)

The kind of people who "live" in the really expensive NYC real estate tend to not spend much time there themselves. These apartments are status symbols. Places to send your clients who want something better than a Times Square hotel room. Places to have an occasional party. That sort of thing. The person who has a Bentley and a $5 million apartment in NYC also has a "ranch" outside Denver, a mansion on the Big Island of Hawaii, and an island in the Caribbean... and somebody on the payroll to deal with the Bentley, and drive it, and park it. Not for the owner. For the people the owner is trying to impress...

Re:Consider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069249)

You see, someone holds a different perception than you. Rather than post a convincing view in reply, they just gave you the "flamebait" label.

That's what you get for not "hailing to the chimp"!

Re:Consider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069331)

I wonder why this was marked flamebait. It does sound quite reasonable.

America discovers car elevators... (2, Informative)

LanceUppercut (766964) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069245)

How long these have been in use in Europe? Thirty years? Twenty five? Even in Russia nobody looks at car elevators as something unusual...

Re:America discovers car elevators... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069349)

Noooo! America MUST be the first... Benjamin Franklin INVENTED car elevators....

Has anyone over here patented the idea yet? Now we know what the dots are.

1) Look at what they're doing in Europe
2) ..... (patent that)
3) PROFIT!!!

Re:America discovers car elevators... (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069443)

You are talking about multi level parking spaces, right? where the car is placed on top of another car in a ground level garage? They've had those in the states for a while too.

I have never seen anything like what the articles describes in Europe or Russia, and I think I would have noticed. This is about bringing a car up thirty stories to your personal apartment.

Plenty of fodder to attack america with is you are really keen on doing so, but we are still the home of many inventions. We ain't Japan, but we produce our share of patents.

Re:America discovers car elevators... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069551)

We ain't Japan, but we produce our share of patents.


You mean you fabricate your share of patents...

It's been done (3, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069265)

This isn't the first. There's at least one apartment building in Dubai with a similar setup. There's CarLoft [carloft.de] in Germany. There's one on Charlotte, NC. It's even been done in New York before; there was a writeup in Elevator World.

Learn something new everyday (4, Funny)

not-quite-rite (232445) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069343)

You subscribe to Elevator World?

Wow

You have opened my eyes to a whole new world - Elevator Geeks!

I can picture it now....

"How to overclock your elevator in 5 easy steps..."

"Escalators - Are they the campers of the Elevator market?"

"Pictures of the top 10 elevators, and their designers - Sealed Section" (very naughty!)

Etc :P

Re:It's been done (1)

Shadowplay00 (1042912) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069353)

Elevator World?

Terrible, terrible idea (1)

samwichse (1056268) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069279)

This is the worst idea I've seen in a long time. Just imagine the situation each weekday morning as half the tower's population is queuing up to leave.

It's not just like waiting for an elevator. This thing can't stop partway and take on more cars. You're looking at a full trip down then back up for each car that leaves. One car at a time. Not only that, but I can hardly imagine it will travel even close to the speed as an express elevator.

I foresee a lot of people getting sick of this thing and just parking elsewhere. On the plus side, that's a hell of a nice freight elevator when you need to move in/out. You could drive a forklift right from the ground floor to the apartment door.

Sam

Re:Terrible, terrible idea (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069483)

Most of the people who can afford this luxury aren't 9 to 5ers. They're independently wealthy, and operate on their own schedule. Because of this, I don't foresee contention for the elevator being an issue.

Re:Terrible, terrible idea (1)

G Fab (1142219) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069505)

We need blade runner style pyramid buildings, where the elevator brings you up and your drive back down.

(joking)

What would really rock was if we had community cars. Pay as you go, but go where you want.

Re:Terrible, terrible idea (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069625)

What would really rock was if we had community cars. Pay as you go, but go where you want.

Cities in Europe have had this for nearly 20 years now. Heck, we even have [goget.com.au] some [flexicar.com.au] here in Australia . Surely equivalent companies exist in major US cities ?

Sounds good to me! (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069281)

So, does this mean that if I get one of these Chelsea pads, the elevator comes with a Bentley? Sweet! w00t! even.

I've always wanted a Bentley, now if I can scrape up 4.7 mil for an apartment that comes with a Bentley filled elevator, I can finally have one!

Hmph... (1)

TC1116 (1172495) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069351)

I'm not impress until I see the rotating parking lot in I,Robot.

"Very High Tech"???? (1)

Garridan (597129) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069437)

What are the editors thinking? How is this "very high tech"? It's a frikkin' elevator. OMG, you can put a car in it? Stop the presses! Somebody came up with a new way to get money out of rich people who like throwing money away! And it uses pulleys!

Re:"Very High Tech"???? (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069497)

It's a pun, dude. 'High' tech. Elevator. Height. Up.

Re:"Very High Tech"???? (1)

Igmuth (146229) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069621)

Yes, we know it uses pulleys, but does it run Linux?

Forgive me... (3, Insightful)

Xeth (614132) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069439)

...but how is a high-capacity elevator high tech? I always assumed that being "high tech" involved overcoming some sort of engineering or scientific hurdle. A wrist computer, flying car, video cell phone, etc.

Is there any reason this thing couldn't've been built with 1950s elevator technology?

Re:Forgive me... (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069515)

Where do elevators go?

Up... High... ...it's a pun.

Driving in Manhattan (4, Funny)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069459)

If you're dumb enough to drive in Manhattan, you probably need a machine to park your car for you.

And when the elevator breaks down... (3, Insightful)

dacut (243842) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069481)

... you're stuck with your Bentley in your flat, 23 stories up. All dressed up and nowhere to go.

Where do your neighbours park? (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069493)

Is it just me or did that video in the flash page not show where your neighbours managed to park?

It's all well and good having a lift to your door on a higher floor (although they could have made it a bit taller and a bit more worth it than those few stories) but what if you live in the area of the building that was blacked out? There only seemed to be the one car lift, so you're stuck walking up the stairs while you get to hear your neighbour revving their car in and out of their garage and car lift every morning and evening!

Japanese Car Elevators (1)

unidyneVII (867801) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069499)

Japan, in its urban areas, has had elevators like this for efficient parking-garage-packing for ages.

Similar building in Berlin (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069543)

This has already been done in Germany, and the whole building revolves around the concept of the garage: http://www.carloft.de/ [carloft.de]

Since when are elevators high tech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21069561)

What, does it come with a Japanese robot valet or something?

so now.. (1)

Twin Pines Mall (1175669) | more than 5 years ago | (#21069591)

*in Dr Evil's voice* welcome to my above-ground lair !!
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