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'I Was a Hacker for the MPAA'

Zonk posted about 7 years ago | from the definition-of-catharsis dept.

The Internet 385

Wired has up an article with a man named Robert Anderson, who was recruited by the MPAA in 2005 to inform on people in the BitTorrent community. In a tell-all interview with the site, Anderson explains how the powerful media organization encouraged him to obtain the information they were looking for: "According to Anderson, the MPAA told him: 'We would need somebody like you. We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.' In 2005, the MPAA paid Anderson $15,000 for inside information about TorrentSpy -- information at the heart of a copyright-infringement lawsuit brought by the MPAA against TorrentSpy of Los Angeles. The material is also the subject of a wiretapping countersuit against the MPAA brought by TorrentSpy's founder, Justin Bunnell, who alleges the information was obtained illegally."

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obligatory (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070311)

Mister Anderson...

Re:obligatory (4, Insightful)

mfh (56) | about 7 years ago | (#21070469)

No, Neo would never work for the robots.

Re:obligatory (5, Interesting)

im just cannonfodder (1089055) | about 7 years ago | (#21070501)

This maybe a silly question but isn't hacking illegal in the usa as part of GW,Bush's anti terror laws? If this is the case shouldn't the mpaa members all now be under investigation by the cia/fbi?

Re:obligatory (2, Insightful)

Feyr (449684) | about 7 years ago | (#21070749)

patriot does not apply to true american companies and bush's cronies, especially if it prevents them from making money and/or protecting the True American Dream

They would give him anything? (1)

Eastside2000 (930929) | about 7 years ago | (#21070313)

Talk about a hacker on steroids

More like a cracker with no brains (5, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | about 7 years ago | (#21070341)

If they would give him anything, and he only got 15K?????? What an idiot.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains (2, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | about 7 years ago | (#21070385)

That's what I was thinking! What is this hacker only 12? Did they pay him in gummy bears??
This sounds a little hyped up. Sounds to me like he took advantage of the situation to sell them some information he gathered knowing they would want it, and nothing more.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains (5, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 7 years ago | (#21070783)

I think you guys are on to something. They offer him riches and power and 15k is what he settles for.

Selling your soul is one thing, but selling it cheap is unconscionable.

Remember, though, when it comes to the buying and selling of souls: You get what you pay for.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains (2, Funny)

rvw (755107) | about 7 years ago | (#21070583)

If they would give him anything, and he only got 15K?????? What an idiot.
Yeah but they promised him he would meet Elvis! That counts for something too I would think.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains (5, Funny)

Hijacked Public (999535) | about 7 years ago | (#21070793)

I read that as they promised him anything.

He probably asked for $10 million and they probably agreed. After deduxcting various ancilliary expenses, office rental, studio time, roadies, electrical power factor multiplier, candy bars, in office Jolt delivery, the deposit on his office key, and various other miscellaneous Usual & Customary Fees, and taxes, his check was about $15k.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains (4, Funny)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | about 7 years ago | (#21070857)

If they would give him anything, and he only got 15K?????? What an idiot.

Maybe he signed the same contract most as most RIAA artists (there doesn't seem to be much between RIAA and MPAA).

Re:They would give him anything? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070701)

Did he called himself "Anonymous"?

Wow. Dark Side ahoy! (5, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | about 7 years ago | (#21070321)

...if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.

"...and we will rule the Galaxy together!"

"Noooooooooooo!"

15k? (2, Insightful)

langelgjm (860756) | about 7 years ago | (#21070523)

If Hollywood thinks that 15 grand makes you rich and powerful, I think they need to examine more than their business model.

Re:15k? (2, Funny)

ubrgeek (679399) | about 7 years ago | (#21070553)

They paid him with the profits from Ishtar.

Re:15k? (1)

ultranova (717540) | about 7 years ago | (#21070699)

If Hollywood thinks that 15 grand makes you rich and powerful, I think they need to examine more than their business model.

They promised to make him rich and powerful, but then altered the deal, and Robert Anderson couldn't pray that they wouldn't alter it any further, having already sold out... for sweeties.

Cheapskates (2, Funny)

suso (153703) | about 7 years ago | (#21070337)

Wow, they are even cheaper than I thought. $15,000? I know there were other benefits, but I would have laughed in their face.

Re:Cheapskates (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070393)

Besides that, $15'000 for "a house, a car, and everything you want" ... Where in this planet will he find such insanely cheap prices ???? Name the country, I have my passport ready !!!!

Re:Cheapskates (0)

rolfc (842110) | about 7 years ago | (#21070475)

You should try Burkina Faso.

Re:Cheapskates (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070481)

Any one of a number of african shitholes. But (a) roving gangs might gang-ass-rape you then slit your throat and (b) any pretty women you meet will be HIV positive and in denial.

Re:Cheapskates (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070895)

The $15K makes one wonder...If that is the price they are willing to stop piracy, how come they want to extort $220K for like 30 MP3's (was it RIAA vs. Thomas or some such?)
Maybe this suing of citizens is a good business now that their revenues are showing the signs of people not wanting to pay for their brain-dead-PC-movies or without-soul-mass-produced-music.
Maybe piracy isn't so bad, it gives them a way to get even more money from each CD, $220K = MANY CDs.

I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070339)

After reading about crap like this, I'm happy that I no longer consume the shit spewed forth by the mass media. Just over two years ago I sold my TV and DVD player, gave away the DVDs and CDs I had to relatives and friends. Since then I haven't watched TV, watched a movie (on disc or in the theater), listened to mainstream music, or otherwise involved myself with their product.

Instead of buying mainstream CDs, I go listen to local bands play at a variety of pubs and other venues, and buy directly from them if I like what I hear. The local theater productions are often far better than the latest Bruce Willis shitflick out of Hollywood. Instead of watching TV, I go biking, rockclimbing, and I also play recreational badminton.

So I'm glad to say that my funding of this sort of bullshit has been minimal, if at all. I urge more people to take a path similar to the one that I've chosen. You'll be far better off, both in terms of the entertainment you do experience, the money you save, and the fact that you're not funding the mainstream media in any way.

Re:I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media. (5, Funny)

DanielJosphXhan (779185) | about 7 years ago | (#21070575)

Wow. But do you use your x-ray vision and power of flight for the good of humanity?

You no longer consume mass media? (4, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | about 7 years ago | (#21070577)

Yet you're on the Internet?

Riiight!

Re:You no longer consume mass media? (2)

Machtyn (759119) | about 7 years ago | (#21070651)

the Internet is media, yes, but it is NOT Hollywood. Hollywood does not have a hold on the term entertainment, and they aren't the only players in "entertainment media".

Here's a good article [pcmag.com] about it by /.'s favorite John Dvorak.

internet != mass media (3, Informative)

weighn (578357) | about 7 years ago | (#21070809)

Re:You no longer consume mass media?
Yet you're on the Internet?

Riiight!
Mass media [wikipedia.org] is a term used to denote a section of the media specifically envisioned and designed to reach a very large audience such as the population of a nation state.
Mainstream [wikipedia.org] is, generally, the common current of thought of the majority.

So, if AC just reads /. as opposed to, say, Digg he/she does not consume mass media. Objection overruled.

Re:I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media. (5, Funny)

Choad Namath (907723) | about 7 years ago | (#21070739)

I also play recreational badminton.
So was it this line, or your overwhelming smugness that caused you to comment anonymously?

Re:I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070853)

Now where did that 'Pompous Douche' mod go to?

Hm (5, Insightful)

Kaitnieks (823909) | about 7 years ago | (#21070359)

If this is really true, it must mean that MPAA seriously believe they can close illegal interweb media distribution channels. Either they underestimate scale of the problem or overestimate their own power and influence, in any case they live in a dream world.

It isn't true. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070479)

Once again the gullible and non tech-savvy media have been suckered by a pathetic attention whore who has never "hacked" so much as a tall clump of weeds in his backyard. He's probably smoked a lot of it though.

Re:Hm (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 years ago | (#21070505)

What do you expect? After creating dream worlds for decades, it's only logical that they start living in them, too.

Re:Hm (4, Funny)

Artifakt (700173) | about 7 years ago | (#21070565)

It sounds fantastic, but I almost believe this story. Paying someone just $15,000 and thinking it would both make a major dent in their problems and get the kind of service they would need is all of a piece with 'living in a dream world'. The pattern fits - the MPAA has shown in other actions that they would think it's smart to spend lots on politicians, but hire somebody technical with the promise a good job and a pay off in chump change. Look at the small companies they have picked to implement various DRM schemes, and how easily those schemes have failed.
      In unrelated news, NASA has hired New Jersey laundrymat owner Marco Delgrepio to create a permanent lunar colony. For now, they're only offering him $15,000, but if he just beats some invading space aliens by uploading a virus from his apple powerbook, he'll get a car. It's a really nice car.

Re:Hm (1)

east coast (590680) | about 7 years ago | (#21070943)

You kidding? Do you know the number of people I know who won't download a couple of songs anymore because of the fear of lawsuits? These people are now legal consumers.

Not to mention the potential out-of-court payoffs to be had if the MPAA can bring up charges. 15K is a good investment if they can turn it around.

This is becoming the norm (0, Offtopic)

bogaboga (793279) | about 7 years ago | (#21070365)

The other day, one former Bush insider was also "telling all!" And just last night, I watched the former CIA spy saying something similar about her former job and bosses. What's going on? Are these new trends?

Re:This is becoming the norm (0, Offtopic)

mentaldingo (967181) | about 7 years ago | (#21070447)

Yeah I've noticed the same thing recently... What about the employees exposing Fox [youtube.com] which was on digg yesterday (yeah I visit digg occasionally. Mod me down).

Ob. Matrix Quote (0, Redundant)

cocotoni (594328) | about 7 years ago | (#21070367)

It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're Robert Anderson, program writer for a respectable Movie association. You have a social security number, pay your taxes, and you... help your landlady carry out her garbage. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the hacker alias "Neo" and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not.

Re:Ob. Matrix Quote (1)

Jugalator (259273) | about 7 years ago | (#21070439)

And I, Robert Anderson, think I'll take the pill with a swastika on it.

Re:Ob. Matrix Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070513)

This must be how they recruited Agents Smith, Brown and Jones.

It's every CS job description !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070445)

Well, you dont have to look as far as the Matrix to feel that basically every CS job fits the description ...

You have a bunch of nerds (self included) with high speed Inet access, stacking up their harddrives with all the MP3/Divx/Porn/Animes/Warez they can find ...

So, how to cut piracy ?
1) ban internet traffic from any single university & grab those students having some computer
2) send the mafIAA to every computer-related worker's home, raiding for blank CD/DVDs
3) do the same for poor suburbs with any remote chance for interWeb access ...
4) brainwash all those taken in step 1,2&3 with maf-IAA sponsored messages
5) (mandatory) Profit !!

Re:It's every CS job description !!! (1)

Fallen Seraph (808728) | about 7 years ago | (#21070785)

You have a bunch of nerds (self included) with high speed Inet access, stacking up their harddrives with all the MP3/Divx/Porn/Animes/Warez they can find ...
Those are, incidentally, the names of the 5 hard drives I have in my desktop :)

Mr. Anderson the hacker... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070381)

Mr. Anderson the hacker... let the matrix jokes begin!

"Didn't know"? Right. (5, Insightful)

MoonFog (586818) | about 7 years ago | (#21070387)

The MPAA does not dispute it paid Anderson for the sensitive information, but insists that it had no idea that Anderson stole the data. "The MPAA obtains information from third parties only if it believes the evidence has been collected legally," says MPAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Kaltman.

Essentially, the MPAA said "we will give you anything if you rat these people out and obtain evidence for us", yet "didn't know" he was doing it illegally? Please, just shows how desperate they can be and what kind of morale these people have.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (2, Informative)

blake1 (1148613) | about 7 years ago | (#21070417)

Sure it's a questionable practise, but it's no different to what any number of corporations would do in a similar circumstance. If they don't ask how he got the information, they don't know, their hands don't need to be cleaned.

You find this suprising?

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (3, Informative)

MoonFog (586818) | about 7 years ago | (#21070441)

Surprising? Not really, expected more like it, but this is an organisation that constantly calls entire P2P networks into question because there MIGHT be illegitimate content on them. They even slam the protocol itself, claiming it is illegal, and are caught red handed doing illegal deeds themselves. Schadenfreude more than surprise I'd say.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (5, Insightful)

gsslay (807818) | about 7 years ago | (#21070435)

Is there not something deliciously ironic about one set of criminals complaining about the illegal, immoral activities of another?

Actually, the situation is just a bit too cloying for my tastes.

Let me read your emails then (4, Insightful)

emj (15659) | about 7 years ago | (#21070691)

It's easy to say that, but the right to privacy applies to criminals too. Perhaps we would have an easier time getting criminals caught if we wiretapped everybody, then they will have the same right as everyone else, and can't complain.

The reason you want criminals to get away, is because you don't want to be treated the same way. These rules apply whether you are an angry spouse, big company or the police.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | about 7 years ago | (#21070589)

Indeed- And what would be the rationale behind contacting Anderson in the first place if RIAA truly believed he would obtain the info legally?
OTOH this anderson better have proof for what he's saying.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (1)

Threni (635302) | about 7 years ago | (#21070597)

> Please, just shows how desperate they can be and what kind of morale these people have.

If this guy ever goes to prison - for this or some other crime - he'll discover pretty quickly what his fellow inmates think of grasses. I wonder how much dental work you can get for $15,000? I guess he might have a chance to find out.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (2, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | about 7 years ago | (#21070621)

Essentially, the MPAA said "we will give you anything if you rat these people out and obtain evidence for us", yet "didn't know" he was doing it illegally? Please, just shows how desperate they can be and what kind of morale these people have.
Please, RTFA.

Anderson approached them, saying pretty much, "I can get you this info, how much is it worth to you?"

Then, when they met, he told them that he had "an informant" who had access to the info. Two degrees of separation? There's plausible deniability right there. Do I believe they knew the info was obtained illegally? No. Do I believe they made any kind of effort to find out? No as well. But it doesn't really matter, since they can plausibly deny that they had knowledge of how the info was obtained.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right. (4, Insightful)

CmdrGravy (645153) | about 7 years ago | (#21070663)

To be fair if I instructed my minions to:

"Get this project finished to everyones satisfaction and I don't care how you do it"

I'd be a bit surprised if they came back to me the next day and said

"Hey boss, that project thing. It's all fixed up real nice now. Real nice"

And it turned out they'd done it by killing all the people who were waiting for it.

I think most rational people when told to use whatever means necessary take it for granted this means whatever means available within the law. Particulary if you've signed a contract specifically saying that.

This Anderson bloke is basically an idiot, the MPAA paid him peanuts, probably knew full well he was going to break the law to get them the information they wanted but let him go ahead with it anyway having insulated themselves as much as possible from any actions he sees fit to take upon himself.

Oh Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070391)

"If you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful"? Does anyone really think the MPAA's lawyers are dumb enough to give a quote like that?

Re:Oh Please (2, Funny)

Hanners1979 (959741) | about 7 years ago | (#21070493)

You're right, there's no way an MPAA lawyer would say that - It's bound to constitute copyright infringement from some cheesy movie or other.

Re:Oh Please (4, Insightful)

BlueStrat (756137) | about 7 years ago | (#21070519)

"If you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful"? Does anyone really think the MPAA's lawyers are dumb enough to give a quote like that?

Apparently, you've never had any dealings with talent scouts or record label A&R reps. They routinely promise the world to their prospects, but end up bending them over with no lube. This is entertainment industry SOP.

Cheers!

Strat

Re:Oh Please (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | about 7 years ago | (#21070929)

I'm somewhat surprised he got away with 15 kilobucks in the positive...

Welcome to Hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070395)

Free open source projects, pirating, and all that jazz are no different. They just swap money for free gear and being chummy. You guys think that just because the MPAA represents companies you can make some big deal out of being better. Well, you're not. You're just the same. One day, you'll wake up and realise this, and guess what? You'll be hated by another generation of wannabes and losers who want to take a slice out of your ass. Welcome to hell.

Re:Welcome to Hell (1)

gomiam (587421) | about 7 years ago | (#21070407)

Get back to troll university, you still don't cut it.

Re:Welcome to Hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070591)

"Free open source projects, pirating, and all that jazz are no different. They just swap money for free gear and being chummy."

Hell? It sounds more like Richard Stallman's idea of Heaven.

When hypocrites attack... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070399)

So an association of businesses used legal methods to protect their legal and legitimate income stream. and now a bunch of whiny entitlement-head Slashdotters will bitch about it because they're too dumb to figure out that thir own financial security depends on the same laws and the same system.

Re:When hypocrites attack... (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | about 7 years ago | (#21070455)

Way to stand up to them anonymous coward. You sure showed us with those cutting remarks.

So sorry that some people feel there needs to be some balance in copyright and patent laws. That it shouldn't be cranked up to the max where we have a SWAT team busting down people doors, while at the same time it should not be dropped to zero protection where anyone with the ability to perform duplication (anyone with a computer) could start copying creative works willy nilly.

(My comments are not meant to imply that Hollywood studios are manufacturing creative works)

Re:When hypocrites attack... (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 7 years ago | (#21070537)

So if I resort to illegal practices to protect an outdated business model that's no longer viable it's all right and fine? So those hackney drivers should've been allowed to slice car tires and blow up trains? Workers of a Detroit car plant should pool their last cents and rent a sub to sink those carrier ships from Japan?

Interesting point of view.

Re:When hypocrites attack... (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about 7 years ago | (#21070619)

No, GP specifically said "legal" methods, so you haven't answered their point. Of course, if the methods are illegal, as seems to be the case, you're quite right.

Re:When hypocrites attack... (4, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | about 7 years ago | (#21070633)

So an association of businesses used legal methods to protect their legal and legitimate income stream.

      Mr. Coward, please tell me why I can't:

a) watch a DVD that I purchased legally on my television via the TV-Out port on my video card, using my computer's DVD drive to read this legal DVD? Macrovision prevents that. There are ways around it, but they are illegal due to the DMCA.

b) watch a DVD that I purchased legally in linux, because apparently Hollywood hasn't bothered to write an official DVD-decoder for that operating system, yet they maintain that if anyone else does it, it's a DMCA violation?

Re:When hypocrites attack... (1)

Technician (215283) | about 7 years ago | (#21070811)

a) watch a DVD that I purchased legally on my television via the TV-Out port on my video card, using my computer's DVD drive to read this legal DVD? Macrovision prevents that. There are ways around it, but they are illegal due to the DMCA.

Have you tried it with GeeXbox?
http://geexbox.org/en/index.html [geexbox.org]

They don't mention it is illegal in some countries in the about page.
On my video card, it does not enable Macrovision as that would require a royalty.

Re:When hypocrites attack... (1)

Artifakt (700173) | about 7 years ago | (#21070667)

So an association of businesses just invoked the "All I said was "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"" defense to justify themselves, and now a bunch of mere peasant slashdotters are pointing up how they are acting like a historical tyrant because they're too dumb to realize the king has a divine right to oppress them?

Re:When hypocrites attack... (1)

dave420 (699308) | about 7 years ago | (#21070675)

Those methods weren't legal.

Re:When hypocrites attack... (1)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21070741)

So an association of businesses used legal methods
Stop right there. There's nothing legal about buying stolen property especially if you know the property is stolen. It has yet to be determined if the MPAA knew the property was stolen.

Mr. Anderson (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070421)

Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a 100mbps connection when you are unable to share?

Mod Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070625)

Someone please mod this funny/insightful. It's just great

Subject (1)

Legion303 (97901) | about 7 years ago | (#21070431)

"Rich and powerful" on $15K? Are they high?

Re:Subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070579)

No, but he is!

MPAA losing money (2, Informative)

carlosap (1068042) | about 7 years ago | (#21070437)

From Piratebay Top Torrent Movies ...

I.Now.Pronounce.You.Chuck.And.Larry[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo SE 5257 LE 11556
MPAA Lose: Total: (5257 + 11556)* $19.99dlls = $336,091.87dlls

Pirates.Of.The.Caribbean-At.World's.End[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo 10-17 19:11 Decargar 900.29 MiB 5182 7394
MPAA Lose: Total: (5182 + 7394) * 19.99dlls = $251,394.24dlls

1/2 Million Dollars just in 2 movies, so yes!, they have to do something.

Re:MPAA losing money (3, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | about 7 years ago | (#21070483)

MPAA Lose: Total: (5257 + 11556)* $19.99dlls = $336,091.87dlls
MPAA Lose: Total: (5182 + 7394) * 19.99dlls = $251,394.24dlls/qhote>
Who would have thought dynamic libraries were so popular on p2p networks. I wonder what people do with them.

Re:MPAA losing money (4, Insightful)

deftcoder (1090261) | about 7 years ago | (#21070487)

You're forgetting that the overwhelming majority of people pirating those films would NOT pay to see them.

So, let's say about $100 USD per film and call it even.

Re:MPAA losing money (1)

Machtyn (759119) | about 7 years ago | (#21070695)

mod the above insightful. Just because someone downloaded it, does not mean they would have purchased it if the download was not available.

Re:MPAA losing money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070527)

That's the kind of accounting right management companies make all over the world. And it's totally wrong.

Many people download a film they have already seen, cos they liked it. But they don't like it enough to get the original DVD => No profit loss.

Many people download movies that they deem not worth of paying to go to the cinema. Should there be no p2p, they would not see the movie anyway nor buy the DVD => No profit loss.

The films I really like, I watch them in cinema. They movies I love, I get the original DVD too. The movies I don't care about, I download them and watch them when I have nothing better to do. But no way I was going to go to the cinema to see them.

Also, add the fact that lots of us download a ton of movies and get to watch about 1% of them.

So the real figures of lost profit are probably about 10% of what they claim.

They need to realize that their business model is no longer valid. Technology has made it obsolete, same way mobile phones made traditional phone companies business model obsolete (that's why you now get free calls from/to "fixed" phone numbers).

Re:MPAA losing money (3, Insightful)

saltydog56 (1135213) | about 7 years ago | (#21070709)

What a crock of shit. If the tired old "I would not have bought it anyways ..." tripe is the best logic you can come up with it is clear that you must have lost a bet with God and as a result, had to submit to a lobotomy. Clear and simple, you are pinching a service which you have not paid for.

Just because the jackasses in the entertainment industry are a bunch of slime maggots does not mean that you have the right to use whatever means you can find to circumvent their business model - the bottom line is that the movies and music you are stealing is their property, created at their expense, not yours. So of course they have the right to control the distribution of the fruits of their labors. No matter how screwed up they are.

If you were caught picking the lock on the back door of a concert hall in order to get into a concert for free would you expect the coppers to send you on your way after you explained that you really did not want to see the band anyways because their music sucks?

If you were caught jumping the door on a city bus to get a free ride would the judge turn you loose after you explained that there was no loss of profits because there were empty seats anyways? I think not.

How is this any different than taking your handi-cam into your local strip club and filming the goings on for your next "skanks gone wild" movie on the basis that the wench was going to be on the pole anyways?

All you are doing is making a lame attempt at justifying your lack of respect for the rights of others.

Re:MPAA losing money (1)

toQDuj (806112) | about 7 years ago | (#21070871)

Your argument is misplaced.

Parent argued that the amounts mentioned were not representative for the actual loss. You argue that the parent is lobotomized and resort to countless bad analogies to make the point that parent is stealing the propoerty of the entertainment industry (I won't go into the stealing vs. copying argument here).

Please stick to the point in future posts.

B.

Re:MPAA losing money (3, Informative)

dave420 (699308) | about 7 years ago | (#21070609)

And if those people aren't actually going to buy the movie:

I.Now.Pronounce.You.Chuck.And.Larry[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo SE 5257 LE 11556
MPAA Lose: Total: (5257 + 11556)* $0 = $0

Pirates.Of.The.Caribbean-At.World's.End[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo 10-17 19:11 Decargar 900.29 MiB 5182 7394
MPAA Lose: Total: (5182 + 7394) * $0 = $0

Or, if the people who download it will buy it on DVD or go to see it at the cinema, then there is no correlation between those who download and lost revenue. None at all.

Re:MPAA losing money (4, Insightful)

Technician (215283) | about 7 years ago | (#21070743)

How many of those downloads are the same as a lost sale? I doubt the quality is the same as the retail DVD and could fetch the same price. Was it a lost sale, or a lost rental? At full retail price, would the lack of a download make a retail purchase? The prices given are as always, shown as the MAX possible loss for the most impact. Many people who would never pay full retail would buy if the price was reasonable. I for one don't spend over $15 on DVD's. Most of the time, I spend under $10. Calling DVD's at twice that price a lost sale at $19.99 because it can be downloaded is a pipe dream. It's a lost sale because it is $19.99.

Re:MPAA losing money (1)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21070747)

1/2 Million Dollars just in 2 movies, so yes!, they have to do something.
A reasonable person would suggest thyey stop making shit movies. Unfortunately the MPAA companies aren't run by reasonable people.

Promises, promises (4, Funny)

smchris (464899) | about 7 years ago | (#21070525)

We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.' In 2005, the MPAA paid Anderson $15,000

Where does Anderson live, Lesotho?

Ironically (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21070769)

Where does Anderson live, Lesotho?


Ironically, Neo is a common name in Lesotho.

Was a dark and stormy night (4, Funny)

packetmon (977047) | about 7 years ago | (#21070529)

"If I can only perl -pi -e 's:torrent:torrentspy4daMPAA:g' torrentSourceCode.c I can become a martyr with my story" said Mr. Anderson as he duped numerous websites into believing his story.

Career options (1)

Tropal (755884) | about 7 years ago | (#21070561)

Well if that's how much they're going to pay, I'm just going to become an undercover shopper...I'm sure I'll stop more DVD theft than this guy and get paid more than $15k.

What an effing crock! (4, Interesting)

Fuzzypig (631915) | about 7 years ago | (#21070587)

Biggest pile of Elephant wank I have ever seen! "If you hack TorrentSpy", "you can have anything you wish for", so here's a measly $15k! If he was tasked with saving a multi-billion dollar industry on his own, surely they could have a a quick whip-round at the MPAA directors meetings and probably raise 10x that in small change!!! Hacing TorrentSpy??!! WTF!? Hardly rocket science is it, its a publicly open web-server pushing out glorified text files telling you where file sharers are sharing copyrihted material! A few pokes about on WhoIs, the odd phone call here and there, leaving the IP collector on a few weeks on a few very popular torrents, work out the ISPs of those sharers and Bob's your Auntie's Live-In Lover, bish-bosh-zoom $500k please!

I'm sorry, but this smacks of FUD from the MPAA/RIAA bullshit, brain-storm meeting! How can we scare off casual "pirates"? I know, says bow-tied twat number 1, lets make up shit about professional hackers gathering your details and bringing down the fabric of society, or at least one of the 75 popular torrent sites.

The article misspoke . . . (5, Funny)

Nebuul (1008475) | about 7 years ago | (#21070641)

It's pretty clearly obvious that they did not give him $15,000. What they ACTUALLY did was give him a free song download *valued at $15,000*

Jesus, please read the article before writing summaries!

Hmmm... so, this guy is a hero now? (2, Insightful)

forestbrooke (1171427) | about 7 years ago | (#21070697)

Isn't it ironic, that goodness is now "I did something evil before... but heyy, look at me now! am sorry and I am talking about it!" I think this guy would have been better off if he had refused MPAA and blew open the "bad intent" (well... one of them...) of the stupid execs all over the place! Kind of lame, to acknowledge now, after of course licking the green off the $$$. But, I guess that is the trend now...

Quotes from his diary... (4, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | about 7 years ago | (#21070731)

Anderson: Okay, here's the plan. We get the data and then hold the RIAA ransom for... 15 HUNDRED dollars!
Number Two: [clears throat] Sir, strictly speaking, fifteen hundred dollars will not go very far these days. My butler alone makes over fifteen hundred dollars a week.
Anderson: Really? Okay then... we hold the RIAA ransom for 15... THOUSAND dollars!

MAFIAA hacker? (3, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 7 years ago | (#21070777)

Ho boy, he's not going to have a good time when he makes it to the big house. If there's one thing hardened cons can't stand, it's a snitch. And if there's a subset of snitches they really can't stand, it's people who mess up file sharing for everyone else. This one guy had posted a bunch of torrents that were supposed to be really good movies but were instead just mislabeled copies of Britney Spear's Crossroads... that poor bastard got shivved in the shower.

Wait, what's that? He's not going to jail? *throws down hat, stomps on it* What the hell is this country coming to?

WTF? (1)

mosch (204) | about 7 years ago | (#21070779)

'We would need somebody like you. We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.' In 2005, the MPAA paid Anderson $15,000....."

That is a really fucking weak-sauce redefinition of rich and powerful. $15k? Christ. I wouldn't wipe my ass with $15k.

Re:WTF? (1)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21070873)

Can you tell me where you live and what time you typically empty your bowels? I'll be fishing through the sewers apartment connects to during those times for $15,000. I figure most people go once a day, so that's a pretty good wage for wading through shit.

Re:WTF? (1)

jimicus (737525) | about 7 years ago | (#21070907)

Put another way, $15k for a perl script which spiders torrentspy.com, parses all the IP addresses in all the torrent files it can find, does a whois on each of them and returns the results - a few hours work at most - seems like a pretty sweet deal.

If he had hacked Microsoft (4, Insightful)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21070813)

If this person had hacked Microsoft and posted the Windows source code online you would all be heralding him as a true freedom fighter. However because he hacked someone you like you say what he did was wrong.

I guess the motto here at slashdot is "you must respect people's rights, unless we don't like them."

Re:If he had hacked Microsoft (3, Funny)

Enrique1218 (603187) | about 7 years ago | (#21070949)

If this person had hacked Microsoft and posted the Windows source code online you would all be heralding him as a true freedom fighter. However because he hacked someone you like you say what he did was wrong.

Not really. There is nothing valuable in the Windows Source Code./P>

I can see how they recruited him (4, Funny)

Jesus_666 (702802) | about 7 years ago | (#21070837)

They sat him in front of a notebook where he got a blowjob while someone put a gun against his head and John Travolta counted down from sixty until he caved in to the pressure and used ls /usr/bin to crack the 128-bit encryption securing TorrentSpy's login form.

Hollywood uses that method a lot.

Give him anything he wants... (1, Redundant)

merikari (205531) | about 7 years ago | (#21070847)

... just not the red pill.

a rat is a rat anywhere in the world... (3, Insightful)

goga_russian (544604) | about 7 years ago | (#21070855)

a rat is a rat anywhere in the world... and we all know what happens to rats. america promotes the culture of 'telling on someone', ratting on your friends to save ur ass, or make money. please dont admire a rat.

I am outraged!!! (0, Offtopic)

ThirdPrize (938147) | about 7 years ago | (#21070865)

I haven't read the FA, the summary or even the title of the story but I am outraged. Outraged that something like this could happen somewhere and someone may or may not do something about it.

what bullshit (4, Insightful)

cliffski (65094) | about 7 years ago | (#21070901)

"We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful"

outside of hollywood movies, nobody talks like this. this is all the ramblings of some deranged kid.

Re:what bullshit (1)

night_flyer (453866) | about 7 years ago | (#21070931)

I dont know, thats the way hollywood thinks, they dont have a grasp on reality...
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