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Greenpeace Admits Targeting Apple Grabs Headlines

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the green-but-not-so-much-for-peace dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Gizmodo published this morning allegations by the bromine industry claiming that Greenpeace's report on the iPhone was inaccurate and alarmist. They got an official rebuttal to the bromine industry by Greenpeace, but the most interesting part is their acknowledgment that their targeting of Apple, even while they have similar reports on every manufacturer, is a deliberate attempt to grab headlines. While it's logical and not surprising, I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it."

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Time for (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21079949)

a good old fashioned hippie ass whoopin'

HOW TO GET A FEMALE TO LET YOU FUCK HER! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21079957)

In today's society, it is relatively easy to get laid, but it does always help when you have a GAME-PLAN! This is what I am about to offer you, A planned way to get your prick into a female's vagina (cunt). Getting a woman to willingly drop her pants for you is not what would be classified as an easy task, but the ultimate result of a warm and wet pussy snugly wrapped around your throbbing cock is certainly well worth your most earnest effort! First, Don't bother trying to go after the most popular or the best looking female in your life! That Bitch already has every stud in the world trying to BANG her... Search out a plain looking female who looks like she would be flattered by attention... This does NOT mean to pick a female who is not worthy of your attention. The selection of the TARGETED female is your initial step in the procedure!

THE INITIAL ENCOUNTER AND COURTSHIP

Your selected Bitch should possess the following traits: She should have an out going personality, a friendly smile and fairly large tits! She should be very limited in The Dating Game, and she should not have a current boyfriend. After all, this isn't a lesson on how to pick up a Bimbo or a common whore! This is a lesson on how to PREY on a young and innocent female! You now want to show an interest in this female. Start out by smiling at her when-ever you see her... After a few days, if you don't already know what her name is, BUMP into her by accident, and act embarrassed, but keep smiling at her when you do this... Then take this opportunity to introduce yourself to her by exchanging names, and be sure to compliment her that 'She is one of the most attractive females that you have seen in months!' and it just so happens you have common interests! (CHEAT! Find out one of her interests and study up on it!) After all, this is the female that you have decided that you want to FUCK! Now start SWEET TALKING your target! Mention to her that you heard that she is also interested in WHATEVER! She will jump at this chance, unless you are a FUCKING DORK, and then you should have gone after the DOG that looked she should be BARKING AT THE MOON!

BREAKING THE ICE

At this point, you should already be sending out sexual signs to let the female know her mind and brains are NOT your only interest! Look down at her tits WHILE you are talking to her. DO NOT GAWK AT THEM, but simply let her know that you've noticed that she has a PRETTY decent set of tits! If she is still receptive of your advances, you are already 20% there!! It is now time to BACK OFF !! You have accomplished your first step in your journey toward Sexual gratification! She will need a day or two to digest your encounter. With any LUCK, she will have bragged to a few of her friends about you. This will REALLY put the final nail in her Vaginal coffin, and make her an extremely easy target! When ever you see her, keep smiling, and keep letting her know that you are STILL very interested in her. If you have a chance to chat with her, REMEMBER to pay her compliments like 'How PRETTY her hair looks, or what a LOVELY dress she is wearing, or how INTOXICATING her perfume is! It is now time to move in on your prey like a frigging MAD dog in HEAT!!

LET THE CHASE BEGIN!

It is now time to turn on your charms. You should be acting friendlier and certainly more aggressive toward her as each day and hour passes. It is now time to ask her out on a date that will involve your MUTUAL interest. (Let the scenario be that you both enjoy going to the movies.) This part takes some BALLS, but if you want to get laid, you gotta DO IT! Ask her to go to that movie with you! You will have to pay her way. The first date should be nothing more than holding hands in the movies and maybe an occasional kiss. Unless she takes the initiative, DO NOT attempt to sexually molest her, not yet anyway! After your FIRST date has ended, make it a point to let her know what a GREAT time you had being with her, and set up another date in a few days.. (This will again give her time to BRAG to her girl friends about the WONDERFUL guy she has started to date!) She is now to falling into the 'PEANUT BUTTER LEGS' (Easy to spread) trap! Your GETTING LAID game plan is now 40% complete! It is now time to start the physical assault of the Bitch that you have targeted!

BAITING YOUR HOOK

To begin your physical assault of your chosen female! You must realize that you simply can not rip off her clothing and just FUCK her! It must be done with a smooth and sophisticated technique... It is now mandatory that you relate to this female that you care DEEPLY about her! You must make her feel that she is the ONLY female in the world that you have any genuine feelings for... Once she believes that, ANYTHING is possible!! The next step is to lure her into your apartment when nobody else is home. If this is not possible, get her in a car and drive to a secluded area. If there are no secluded areas, or lover's lanes in your neighborhood, try the back of the Cemetery or in back of an empty warehouse or even in a vacant garage. You have now arrived at the CRUCIAL point where this female must be reassured that she is 'THE SPECIAL GIRL IN YOUR LIFE' (At least for this evening!) It is now the proper time for your Sexual Assault on her to begin! Foreplay is the most crucial and final step in your master Game Plan! It requires gentleness, and the understanding of her inner fears. Unless you have selected a totally clueless bitch, she has some idea of the situation that she is about to get herself into. Also, keep in mind that females enjoy sexual stimulation as much as males, so you will actually be doing her a favor, if you do it right! It must be pleasurable for her, or she may decide to reject your advances! Look this female directly in the eyes, smile slightly and tell her that she has the most beautiful eyes that you have ever looked into! Before she can reply to your compliment, reach out and stroke her hair. Again smile and tell her how soft and lovely her hair is. While you have your hand on her hair, tell her how sensuous her lips are. At the same moment, curl your outstretched hand around the back of her neck, and pull her face toward yours. Next, give her a tender kiss in the lips. Do not make it last for more than two seconds. Look directly into her eyes, tenderly smile at her, and again kiss her, but this time make it last for about 10 seconds, and do it with a bit more passion.

INITIATING FOREPLAY PART TWO

Reassure her that you care very much about her, and her feelings. This part is extremely crucial! Most of all make DAMN sure that she understands that you RESPECT her! If she falls for that line of SHIT, you are about 60% there! In order for you to receive pleasure from a female, you must first give her pleasure! Tenderly take this female into your arms and gently hug her. While you are hugging her, put your head on her shoulder so your mouth is near the side of her neck. Next start to gently kiss the side of her neck. Move your mouth slightly after each kiss, but continue to work in the same general area for about one full minute. This action will send shivers of excitement through her whole body. At this point you should once again kiss her on the lips. As you kiss her, gently slide your hands to her back and with your fingers spread wide apart, firmly pull her body toward yours, as you slightly massage her and relax her. Rub her shoulders, the back of her neck, and the lower sides of her back. Continue these actions, as you continue to kiss and caress the Bitch. While you are kissing her neck, take a moment to take a deep breath and gently breath into her ear. (DO NOT BLOW INTO IT, JUST BREATH INTO IT!) This will arouse her PASSION and get her FEMALE SEX JUICES flowing!

INITIATING FOREPLAY PART THREE

At the first moment that you notice her mouth opening slightly while you are kissing her, slide your tongue into her mouth and move it around her tongue, and begin to kiss her slightly harder. Start to breath slightly harder to let her know that she has started to get you excited! As you play kissy tongue, slide one of your hands onto her chest, and very gently rub it across her tit! She should not have any objection at this point. Keep deeply kissing her and slide the other hand onto her other tit. Begin to gently message her tits in a circular motion, while you also gently squeeze them. Remember, you are not milking a friggin' cow; you are seducing a female! It is now time for you to start upwrapping (undressing) your sexual like unbuttoning your own shirt with one hand, days before this event takes place. Before you take the Bitch to the secluded area, you should make mental notes of the type of blouse, dress, pants, nylons etc. that she is wearing. Remember where the zippers are; see if her blouse buttons are in the front or the back. If she is wearing a sweater, you may have to slide your hands underneath it.

INITIATING FOREPLAY PART FOUR

If your selected Bitch is allowing you to fondle her tits through her clothing she will also allow you undress her to the point that you can play with them she is naked from the waist up. To do this, you must first carefully unbutton her blouse or even assist her in removing her sweater. Next you will be faced with removing her bra. Some of these little suckers can be tricky! Most bras are hooked in the rear. The larger the tits, the more hooks you'll find! If you put your finger on one side of the hook and your thumb on the other side then squeeze, the hook can be undone with one careful that you don't tear any of her clothes, because her mother or father might figure out what you have done to their daughter, and that could lead to you receiving a severe beating! Unless the Bitch helps you to totally remove the bra, don't bother trying to get it all the way off. Once the hooks are undone, you can slip your hands beyond her stomach, up to her tits, and fondle to your heart's desire! Next, it is time to start sucking on her nipples! This causes a wonderful sensation in a female's body it actually activates her 'I WANT MORE' button! Naturally, after 5 or 10 minutes of this TIT action, you will be happy to oblige her!

INITIATING FOREPLAY PART FIVE

Do not just suck on her nipples. Move your tongue around it also. Foreplay is a body massage done with your hands, fingers and tongue. The entire intent of this exercise is to arouse the Bitch's sexual excitement... At some point during your sexual attack, you may encounter some resistance. The Bitch may say something like 'PLEASE STOP!' This is a simple ploy used by many females, because they don't want you to think that they are a tramp! Ignore those stupid requests. You might consider putting her at ease saying that you promise not to go any further than you have already gone. (Lie to the Bitch! Tell her that you er h her! Tell her WHATEVER she wants to hear!) Continue to kiss her, lick her, hold her, squeeze her, rub her, suck on her nipples and fondle her... Continue your sensual and sexual body massage... There is a wonderful mechanism built into all females! It is an audible report of the progress of your assault. Listen for her to start breathing HEAVILY! This means that her defenses are weakening and her body is now ready for the next step of your Game Plan! You are now ready to attack her most private area! It is time to direct your efforts and energy to getting your hand into her pants, so you can start rubbing her cunt!

IT'S TIME TO GET DOWN & DIRTY!

Before you can get at her cunt, you must continue to undress the Bitch. This is a CRITICAL moment, because fear and panic may arise when she realizes just how far she has already allowed you to proceed! You must overcome any and all her objections at this point or ALL of your efforts will be lost! You may have to promise the Bitch that you will not go 'ALL THE WAY!' You just want to make her feel GOOD because you CARE about her and you er h her, and be sure to let her know that if she cares about you, she will let you rub her between her legs! When you first begin to rub her pussy, it should be done over her clothing, until the sensation of sexual bliss begins to further enhance her physical joy. Her breathing will become noticeably increased and she will reach the point where she will start to make moaning sounds. You should still be kissing, hugging and rubbing her while you start to loosen her pants. Assuming that the Bitch is breathing very heavily, and is now in FULL heat, you should be able to unbutton or unzip her lower garments so you can make enough room so you can comfortably slide your hand between her legs. First, gently, then firmly rub the hairy area above her cunt!

HOW TO PROPERLY FONDLE HER CUNT

You have now reached another crucial point in your molestation of the Bitch. There are two ways to rub a cunt: The RIGHT way and The WRONG way. If you do it the wrong way, and it is not satisfying to her, or even worse, if you cause her any pain, you can TOTALLY forget about getting laid! The very first step is to get her legs spread far enough apart so that her cunt is accessible to your hand. Curl your hand into a fist with your middle finger sticking out and reach down between her legs and gently slide it upward. Doing this will accomplish several different things. First, it will separate her cunt hairs. If you don't get them separated, it will be painful for the Bitch, so make sure you do it enough times so that your finger slides smoothly from the bottom to the top of her cunt. It will also open her cunt lips, and it will expose her clitoris (clit) so that you can start to rub it. As your finger travels from the bottom of her cunt lips to the top, you will notice two things. First her cunt will be wet. Second at the top of her cunt lips there will be a piece of skin that slightly hangs out or may even seem a little bit swollen. That is her Clit! That is the magic button of her pussy! Take two fingers and slide them back down to her cunt lips and insert them just far enough into her cunt to get them wet. Now slide them back up to her clit and rub it from side to side. Do not rub it up and down! You will know when you are doing it right, because the Bitch will start to groan with extreme PLEASURE! You may also alternate by rubbing in a circular pattern. Keep in mind that the Bitch is getting close to achieving an ORGASM (Getting her rocks off). At this moment, if she hasn't already done so, take her hand and place it on your prick so that she can start to give you mutual pleasure. Be sure to whisper to her 'OH GOD! LOOK AT HOW HOT YOU HAVE MADE ME!' This will enhance her sexual and animal desires even more! Let her know just how WONDERFUL your body is beginning feel. Keep rubbing her Clit, and keep kissing and caressing entire body. The moment as soon as she finishes getting her rocks off, keep hugging and kissing her! Reassure her about how much you love her and what a wonderful experience you enjoyed with her. Do NOT let her feel guilty about it, because the BEST is about to happen! You are now going to try to FUCK this HOT little Bitch!

HEADING FOR HOME PLATE

If you have properly followed ALL of the steps, there is no reason that the Bitch will refuse to let you FUCK her. After all, you serviced her well, and it is now time for her to repay you for what you did for her. If she hasn't already unzipped your fly and pulled your prick out, do not hesitate to do it for her. Take her hand and wrap it around your cock, and show her how to move it up and down so that it feels best for you. Do not let her rub it too much, because you will soon need it for BIGGER and BETTER things. While the Bitch is rubbing your cock, you should be rubbing and squeezing her tits, and again rubbing her pussy. By now, her clit is very sensitive, so you should now insert one finger directly into her cunt and concentrate on an area often referred to as the 'G' spot. It is inside her pussy and since pussies are like snow flakes (no two are alike) the 'G' spot can be located almost anywhere inside. You will need the Bitch to inform you when you have located her inner button.

INSERTING YOUR PRICK INTO HER PUSSY

It is now time for your reward if you followed your game plan properly! By now this Bitch should be BEGGING to get fucked, but if she isn't, do not dismay! It doesn't mean that you won't get laid, it just means that you may have to use a few TRICKS of the trade to get what you want from her. You should now have the Bitch totally undressed from her waist down. This means that her pants, pantihose and undies should be totally off of her body! If she objects to this simply assure her that this Many younger females have an extremely tight pussy, so the SECRET to being able insert your cock into her is LUBRICATION! Most inexperienced females are afraid of having their cunt soaked with things like baby oil, so the next best item that you have is your spit. While you are hugging her with one of your arms, discreetly put as much spit as you can onto the fingers of your other hand, and smear it all over her cunt. Get her pussy as juicy as you can, so that penetration will not be a problem. The next and final step is really easier that you would think. Simply hug the Bitch and pull her as close to you as you can. Make sure that you slide your leg between her legs as you do this. Your body should now be laying directly on top of her. Without any hesitation, you should slide your other leg between her legs, and spread hers far apart! Now is the EXACT time to lunge your cock forward toward her warm and wet hole! You probably will have to direct your cock with your hand until you find the opening of her gash. Just move your cock up and of the way in! By now, the Bitch may object to getting fucked, but there is nothing she can do or say about it. To alleviate her from having a panic attack, simply assure her that you PROMISE not to CUM inside of her. Help her to forget her fears. Ask her about how GOOD her pussy is feeling. Ask the Bitch if you are humping her too hard. Keep the humping rhythm going at a pace that she seems to enjoy. If she is not humping back, simply slide your hand under her ass and pull her toward you each time you thrust forward into her. She will soon understand what she should be doing to mutually please and satisfy both you and her. Remember that a woman's cunt gives her the same amount of PLEASURE that a prick gives a guy, so sensual pleasures are received by both you and the Bitch.

HOW TO PROPERLY FUCK A WOMAN

Fucking a woman properly is a complicated process. It is much more complex than just shoving your cock in and out of her cunt until you blow your load! If you fuck a woman properly, she will BEG for it again and again. You can turn a Bitch into your personal sex slave once you have mastered the art of sexually satisfying a female. The most important asset that you can use when you are fucking a Bitch is 'CONTROL'. Your prick rubbing inside of her cunt will give the female an orgasm as strong and powerful as a male! Believe it! If you stuff your prick into some Bitch's pussy and blow your load in thirty seconds, I can guarantee you that you will never fuck that Bitch again unless she has recently had Electrical shock treatments. The secret to fucking a Bitch properly is simply to keep humping, fondling, and kissing her until she CUMS! Yup! Broads CUM too, just like guys, but they can CUM more than once! If you keep fucking a Bitch, she will CUM three, four or five times! It may take her a couple of minutes between each orgasm, but it WILL happen if you keep fucking her! If the word 'CONTROL' comes into play.

HOW TO PRACTICE CONTROL

Control simply means preventing yourself from CUMMING. It isn't easy. But it can be accomplished by two different methods. The first method is physical. When you start to get the feeling that you are about to CUM, you should FORCE yourself like you are trying to PISS. It isn't easy, but it works. Your prick is HARD so you won't be able to piss, but the bodily function of straining to piss will send a message to your BALLS that you don't to 'SHOOT YOUR WAD' yet. The second method to prevent you from CUMMING is mental. This means that you have to STOP thinking about what you are doing, and think about something that has NOTHING to do with sex. Think about a problem or some situation that you are currently dealing with. Get your mind off of the fact that you are having sex because it will only excite you, and that will make you cum. CONTROL is the 'SEXUAL SECRET' to being THE GUY that every Bitch wants to LAY! Once you have mastered this technique, you will DESIRED by every Bitch who has heard about your STAYING powers, and believe me, Bitches do gossip about shit like this, so your sexual reputation will rapidly grow!

YOU ARE NOW READY TO BLOW YOUR LOAD!

You are now humping and thumping your Bitch. She has CUM several times and it is now time for you to 'BLOW YOUR LOAD', but you must first ask the Bitch if she is currently taking Birth Control pills. If she is, Go for IT!!!

Re: HOW TO GET A FEMALE TO LET YOU FUCK HER! (-1, Offtopic)

gerbalblaste (882682) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080049)

You really do hate women, don't you.

Re: HOW TO GET A FEMALE TO LET YOU FUCK HER! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080501)

If I hated them would I spend the effort to try to correct their unseemly behavior with the occasional beating?

No, I wouldn't.

Re: HOW TO GET A FEMALE TO LET YOU FUCK HER! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080679)

The poor little kid who wrote this needs some intense therapy.

Re:Time for (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080485)

How is flamebait ?

1. It is Simpson's joke
2. Greenpeace is an organizaton without ethics. So that why we French blow them up. BOOM! Sink there ship and say goodbye smelly hippie! Into New Zealand ocean water you go!!! Hahaha.

Life Meets Art (0, Flamebait)

Hoskald (125486) | more than 6 years ago | (#21079951)

See the novel State of Fear...it's not too far off it seems...

the media is lazy (4, Insightful)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21079959)

They got an official rebuttal to the bromine industry by Greenpeace, but the most interesting part is their acknowledgment that their targeting of Apple, even while they have similar reports on every manufacturers, is a deliberate attempt to grab headlines.

Well, that's the double-edged sword of having the "hot" product in any market. I'm sure if they had done a similar report on the XBOX 360, the media would have been all over it in a similar manner.

Re:the media is lazy (5, Insightful)

Capsaicin (412918) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080091)

Well, that's the double-edged sword of having the "hot" product in any market

Sure, that's the Nike woosh has become an icon for the NoBrand movement, even though all the other major sportsgoods manufacturers indulge in the same practices blamed on Nike.

The submitters moral indignation is a bit hard to stomach. How can it be "logical" and "not surprising" while at the same time being "cavalier" and even "hypocritical." What's hypocritical about stating the obvious truth? They are only being frank and declaring the truth that they are a pro-environmental publicity company.

Re:the media is lazy (4, Insightful)

User 956 (568564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080197)

Yeah, I think the key thing here is that Greenpeace has an end goal of getting attention. Once they get attention, then their goal is to say their message.

However, they have to get attention, and so they do stuff like this, which is not necessarily targeting Apple because they have a vendetta against apple, but targeting Apple because they know the media is lazy and sensationalist, and will carry any story that will sell newspapers and commercial airtime.

Re:the media is lazy (5, Funny)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080329)

I just hate to see such a humble, unassuming company as Apple, content to attend modestly to their own private matters, dragged out into public scrutiny. This kind of thing can ruin a quiet little family company like Apple Computer.

Re:the media is lazy (2, Insightful)

MicktheMech (697533) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080231)

To be fair, Nike was one of the pioneers in the Japan-South Korea-China factory moves. That said, I agree with you.

Re:the media is lazy (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080479)

"while they have similar reports on every manufacturers, is a deliberate attempt to grab headlines [CC]. While it's logical and not surprising, I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it.""

I'm not shocked. Half of the people who heard the first story are going to think it's true, and this follow up is just spin. Another quarter will miss this update entirely. And so more than half of those afflicted with this wrong information will think GREENPEACE when they see an iPhone. Brilliant, but sinister.

hit them where it hurts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21079963)

Apple needs hit them where it hurts, the wallet.

Why? (4, Insightful)

HBI (604924) | more than 6 years ago | (#21079965)

Greenpeace has been pulling stunts like this for publicity since the 1980s, why should it surprise you that they are alarmist and seeking headlines by bashing one company in particular?

Regardless if you agree with their goals or not, they left credibility behind a long time ago.

Re:Why? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080011)

Apple has been pulling stunts like PC v/s Mac for publicity. Regardless of your masterbating on Apple, Apple has no credibility when it comes to environment.

Riding the hype (5, Interesting)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080153)

I don't think it correct to say that Greenpeace specifically targets Apple because they are Apple.

What Greenpeace does is to ride the hype wave and nobody but Apple has recently released any majorly hyped, or hype-worthy, electronic products.

Greenpeace rides the hype wave in other areas too (ie. not just electronics). This is a very effective way of operating since it relies on the fact that people are already tuned in to the subject and Greenpeace can tack on an environmental angle with far less resources.

Re:Riding the hype (4, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080381)

Effective, that is, until people figure out that you are bending the truth to promote your "message", at which point your reputation as alarmists damages the very issue that you are trying to promote.

The strategy works (0)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080619)

It made people aware that there are environmental impacts associated with buying new gizzmos.

Alarmism gets media attention. The later extraction of the truth is boring and not newsworthy. You just need to see how many people still believe in WMD and that Sadddam is an Al Qaeda leader to see that people don't see the truth.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

FiniteElementalist (1073824) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080177)

Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Greenpeace is one of those "environmental" organizations that uses the issue of the environment as a trojan horse for other social or political causes. The positions of the political environmentalists is often regardless of or sometimes even contrary to real environmental problems or their solutions.

I'm not excluding rational environmentalism from the discourse, I'm just of the opinion that Greenpeace has very little of it.

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

Nephilium (684559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080319)

The problem is that rational environmentalism has seemingly fallen to the wayside to be replaced by anti-globalization activists (who use the technology they decry in order to organize) and luddites who want to get rid of all technology after period X (where X equals their idea of the human ideal).

Nephilium

Re:Why? (1)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080361)

Um.. No.

Greenpeace is about the environment - you can argue about the effectiveness of their actions but to say its a cover for something else is tinfoil-hat-esque.

Re:Why? (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080529)

Greenpeace stopped being about the environment a long long time ago. All they ever do is target large corperations and blame them for the world's ill's. They have this staggering anti business bias, you'd have to have your head up your ass not to see it.

Re:Why? (1)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080663)

This might seem like a huge cognitive jump but large corporations usually cause large amounts of pollution. This is bad for the environment hence greenpeace is involved.

As for the "Anti-business bias" - they are an activist group for god's sake not a centrist party! Their aim is not to balance economies but to raise awareness of a single issue - the environment and nothing else!

Re:Why? (2, Interesting)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080603)

Regardless if you agree with their goals or not, they left credibility behind a long time ago.
No kidding. On Michigan Avenue and State Street in Chicago Greenpeace deploys brainwashed high school kids begging for money in the streets like common vagrants. It doesn't cast their "movement" in the best light.

How about Greenpeace gives back to average hard working Joes the money its little stock-panicing publicity stunts suck out of retirement accounts?

Hypocritical of Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

filterban (916724) | more than 6 years ago | (#21079971)

Some might argue that Slashdot is just as guilty as Greenpeace of using Apple's success to grab headlines / make money.

Personally, I don't really care, because we're all in it to make or raise money. PETA says and does offensive things to grab headlines, the WWE does, and 90% of the articles on CNN and even Digg are sensationalist headlines designed to get you to "click through".

Who cares?

even Digg? (4, Funny)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080027)

no. the top five photographs of all time is the absolute truth about those pictures. the top five reasons to vote for Ron Paul are real, reasonable reasons. the funniest clip of colbert ever on youtube, is well, the funniest ever. that's not offensive or sensationalist - it's the honest to Dawkins truth.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (1)

Nazlfrag (1035012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080295)

...the WWE does...

In the red corner, weighing in at 32 pounds, he's the green machine, the beatnik who wont quit, the artist of alarmist, it's the Vegan Warrior!

And in the blue corner, weighing in at 400 pounds, it's the executive with a directive, when he's not pollutin' he's retributin', Mac the Litigator!

LET'S GET RRREADY TO RRRRRRRUUUMBLE!!

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (5, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080413)

Some might argue that Slashdot is just as guilty as Greenpeace of using Apple's success to grab headlines / make money.
It's this blog that's trying to grab headlines by slamming Greenpeace. I kept reading and reading the GreenPeace response looking for the outrageous part, and all I saw was them standing by their analysis of the iPhone and concern over bromine.

Finally, in the last sentence of the article, I read "While it might not make as many headlines as the iPhone it doesn't mean that we are not focusing on all manufacturers to remove toxic chemicals from their products."

THAT'S IT!??

Come off it. Apple is the poster child for high-tech consumerism right now, and has invested heavily to reach that status - so they get the brunt of the criticism as well. BFD.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (1)

EveLibertine (847955) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080555)

Apple also isn't as green as they'd like you to believe, but they definitely should fall short of grabbing the attention of GreenPeace.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080653)

oh come on. Greenpeace is the worst of the cynical capitalists. Only their members think it's about the environment. The power structure is all about power and money, and the environment is just a nice excuse.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080451)

Some might argue that Slashdot is just as guilty as Greenpeace of using Apple's success to grab headlines / make money.

But /. at least tries to be honest about it, and the editors seem sincerely interested in Apple and their customers. That lacks the element of rank hypocrisy that Greenpeace's actions have.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (1)

EveLibertine (847955) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080521)

A lot of people care. A lot of people care about the issues that these organizations purport to promote, only to find illogical misrepresentation of the facts.
For most of these people, there is enough wrongdoing on the parts of various businesses and industries for these organizations to not have to make up fake issues.

I know the nature of the actions here don't seem surprising, and even make a lot of sense if you look at it from a perspective of pure promotional marketing or something. But it is unnecessary to trade credibility for all of it, and that's the issue that is getting people riled up. If you assume that these organizations just want to sell pamphlets then these actions make sense, but if you assume that they're trying to affect change then it is all very counterintuitive.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080523)

I think it's a bit more insidious when groups like Greenpeace and PeTA (both of whom use this as their usual MO) do it than when entertainment companies do it - maybe even worse than when news sites do it. When GP and PeTA spout nonsense and slather it all over billboards and in flyers they hand out in elementary schools, they are doing it a) under the guise of a nonprofit corporation, paying no taxes on what is essentially a giant publicity/fundraising scam and b) claiming to represent those who care about (the environment, animals). B leads to people thinking that all people who care about X, or at least all who go out and do something about it actively, are as crazy as these groups. This prevents many levelheaded people who would agree with the broader movements from getting involved, because they don't realize that the majority of people involved are sane and do NOT support either of these organizations.

Basically, they manage to do more harm than good for the causes they claim to support, while getting a huge tax write-off for all of it. Yes, news companies pull the wool over people's eyes when they get sensationalistic, but at least they generally don't have any kind of protected status while they do it.

Re:Hypocritical of Slashdot? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080539)

I do. When truth can be dismissed because of some greater good chances are that in the end nothing good can come of it. The simple truth is that Greenpeace is now better than Fox News.

In other news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21079973)

...water is wet.

links (4, Informative)

yali (209015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21079979)

Links without slashdotted anonymizer (really, if you think Gizmodo is tracking you maybe you shouldn't be on the Web) here [gizmodo.com] and here [gizmodo.com].

Greenpeace is despicable these days. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21079981)

Greenpeace is such an extreme organization these days that its founder up and quit since the organization deviated from their original goals.

Re:Greenpeace is despicable these days. (3, Insightful)

Nephilium (684559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080343)

That happens to other organizations as well... look at MADD.

Nephilium

What's this with anonymouse? (3, Informative)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 6 years ago | (#21079991)

Why are the URLs hidden behind anonymouse? If I want to browse anonymously, I'm going to use Tor, I don't need some stupid anonymizing site that pops up little boxes over what I'm looking at.

The real url to the store is this: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/electronics-industry-analyst-group-dismisses-greenpeace-claims-on-iphone-313411.php [gizmodo.com]. I suspect the submitter of doing this one purpose.

Re:What's this with anonymouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080093)

Why are the URLs hidden behind anonymouse?
Because the post is submitted by an anonymous coward.

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080003)

While it's logical and not surprising, I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier

Yes, if you troll Apple fanboys, it's much more ethical to take a leaf out of Slashdot's book and simply pretend otherwise :).

Apple users alienate (-1, Troll)

jihadist (1088389) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080005)

Apple users, Linux users and Amiga users have all alienated people with their superiority complex. They've made themselves targets by claiming to be doing everything better.

Greenpeace is great, but they never talk about many of the serious environmental problems, like too many humans only about 10% or fewer can live American-style before we wreck the planet.

Re:Apple users alienate (1)

stewbacca (1033764) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080053)

LOL, another insecure posting about imaginary superiority complexes. Please tell me how I am so superior just because I have a nice computer that costs a little extra? Here's a hint: I don't care what you think about my computer, so therefore, I have no superiority copmlex.

Re:Apple users alienate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080071)

Greenpeace is about as credible as PETA these days, using alarmist extremism to get attention because so very few people support them anymore. The best thing to do is simply ignore their ravings as the delusions of lunatics.

Re:Apple users alienate (1)

Khaed (544779) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080401)

I saw how long you UID is, so I looked at your posting history.

Don't you have better things to do that troll /. bitching about Apple?

--- Someone who has never owned an Apple product

Re:Apple users alienate (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080593)

"Greenpeace is great, but they never talk about many of the serious environmental problems, like too many humans only about 10% or fewer can live American-style before we wreck the planet."

Fuck i wish i could put you in a picture and frame it.

On the one hand you say greenpeace is great, but then you say they don't tackle any important environmental issues. WTF? how can they be great if they don't meet their primary function?

you then go on to say we have too many people in the world (put your hand up if you think your one of those "too many" ?). finally you confirm my previous statments about greenpeace types by putting a link to an anti globalisation website in you sig.

PURE GOLD.

not surprising (5, Interesting)

squarefish (561836) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080029)

I used to work on factory trawlers in Alaska and although we fished species that travel in very clean schools, attacking that particular part of the industry brought them the most attention, even though most of their information was incorrect.
I will say that I witnessed procedures and practices that bothered me and probably affected the overall industry in the end. However, the crap Green Peace used was totally fabricated and didn't have any basis in truth.
I quit fishing in 98', started using macs in 02' and now the fuckers are attacking something I like and profit from again. I didn't know 10 years ago that I would be working in IT with macs, but I feel like the fuckers are following me.
What's even more ironic is that all the tree-hugging hippies I have known over the years, even those from Green Peace, have been Apple users!

Re:not surprising (1)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080191)

What's even more ironic is that all the tree-hugging hippies I have known over the years, even those from Green Peace, have been Apple users!


That's what immediately struck me about this fiasco as well, but given their tactics it seems to make some degree of sense. Groups like Greenpeace often want to set themselves apart from other movements/environmentalists/leftists in general, and this is a good way in which they can do that. Of course, I think it's pretty stupid, but this seems to be how they operate...

Beyond that, I think the publicity that they get from attacking Apple was too high of a motivator for this to dissuade them. Visibility seems to be their main tactic to spread their message, and while it may not get them practical results in each instance (especially in your previous encounter!), they hope that it will send a ripple through the rest of the industry and possibly change some policies. Personally, I think this is a stupid method (take a look through some of the other comments to see how many seething trolls they've spawned), but one that has been none-the-less effective at the corporate level, as suprising as that may sound. Companies are likely to make changes if they feel it will earn them some good PR, so Greenpeace tries to motivate them to do so, seemingly by any means necessary.

hypocrisy? (2, Interesting)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080077)

*disclaimer for the countless trolls reading this thread and posting such intelligent things as "hippie ass-whoopin" etc...*
I'm a leftist, sharing many of the ideals of groups like Greenpeace, PETA, etc.. *and* I do not agree that the tactics of groups like PETA, Greenpeace, etc.. are the most rightous or effective means of furthering their goals.
*end disclaimer*

but seriously... how exactly is it hypocritical? PETA, Greenpeace, etc.. all make very clear that they are motivated to attract attention to their cause by going after high-profile targets. They've been pulling ridiculous publicity stunts for years and years. It would be hypocritical of them if they said they *did not* engage in such behavoir. It doesn't mean they have a lack of concern for their cause in general, it's just that this is their method of supporting it.

That said, if anyone can show me exactly where Greenpeace stated or even implied that they would not selectively target companies for maximum publicity, I will retract my previous statement.

Seriously man, are you a pussy? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080241)

"I'm a leftist, sharing many of the ideals of groups like Greenpeace, PETA, etc.."

Supporting Greenpeace just marks you as naive; which just means you're young.

But supporting PETA marks you as a suburban housewife with too much time on her hands. Seriously man. It's hard to take them seriously at anything more than "best way to paint your nails before going out to protest cosmetics".

Re:Seriously man, are you a pussy? (3, Insightful)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080301)

I suppose this is what I get for addressing trolls specifically, huh.

BTW, when calling another a pussy, it helps not to have the name "coward".

Re:hypocrisy? (1)

Nephilium (684559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080363)

but seriously... how exactly is it hypocritical? PETA, Greenpeace, etc.. all make very clear that they are motivated to attract attention to their cause by going after high-profile targets. They've been pulling ridiculous publicity stunts for years and years. It would be hypocritical of them if they said they *did not* engage in such behavoir. It doesn't mean they have a lack of concern for their cause in general, it's just that this is their method of supporting it.

Hypocritical would be high ranking members of PETA using products derived from animal research to survive, and putting down animals in their shelters while protesting shelters that do the same thing.

Oh wait... they do that...

Nephilium

Re:hypocrisy? (1)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080419)

besides the point that your post is rather off topic (the question was not whether or not they were, in general, hypocritical)... I'm curious: when has PETA protested euthanasia at shelters? I've heard of some no-kill shelters doing this (which is a load of horse-shit. No-kill shelters *reject* animals, which means we have to euthanise all the animals that they don't want to), but I hadn't heard of PETA protesting the practice as a whole (as you've noted, they've sponsored it). As a shelter volunteer, I'm very concerned about this. Could you provide a reference?

Re:hypocrisy? (1)

RalphBNumbers (655475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080473)

Ok, first things first: you don't seem to know the meaning of the word hypocrisy. They are hypocrites because they do something that they condemn in others, not because they do something they claim they don't or won't (that would make them liars, but not necessarily hypocrites).

In this case Greenpeace are hypocrites because they are profiting at the expense of the environment. (By attacking companies based on how much publicity (and therefore donation money) they can gain, rather than how much pollution said company is responsible for relative to it's peers, Greenpeace not only lets heavier polluters go relatively unchallenged, they also send a message to all companies that their wrath cannot be abated by a better environmental policy, giving companies even less reason to bother cleaning up their act.)

I suppose they might also be hypocrites because they are indulging in the type of media manipulation that I suspect they have complained about their targets using in the past, but that is clearly secondary to the "profiting at the expense of the environment" thing imho.

Re:hypocrisy? (1)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080661)

Ok, first things first: you don't seem to know the meaning of the word hypocrisy. They are hypocrites because they do something that they condemn in others, not because they do something they claim they don't or won't (that would make them liars, but not necessarily hypocrites).


Hypocrite: a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

That is, were Greenpeace to espouse that they were above such actions, they would be hypocrites. Another example would, yes, be if they pointed these flaws out in others, thus implying that they have such virtues. I understand how you could have interpreted what I said to mean "lying" without my intended interpretation, as I was a bit vague, but both of these interpretations were covered by what I said. You should really be more comfortable with a definition yourself before you charge others with illiteracy. It's very... what's that word again?

In this case Greenpeace are hypocrites because they are profiting at the expense of the environment. (By attacking companies based on how much publicity (and therefore donation money) they can gain, rather than how much pollution said company is responsible for relative to it's peers, Greenpeace not only lets heavier polluters go relatively unchallenged, they also send a message to all companies that their wrath cannot be abated by a better environmental policy, giving companies even less reason to bother cleaning up their act.)

  • I don't buy your argument that this is "at the expense of the environment". If the environment suffers because of an absense of highly effective, pro-active effort, then your post just hurt the environment. That's silly. Greenpeace is niether the sole entity for environmental action, therefore a lack of action on their part does not imply damage to the environment. Give us normal activists some credit! :)
  • given that they use whatever money they receieve to fund their initiatives, what exactly do you mean by profit? I'm guessing you mean "squander" or "embezzle". Money is power, thats why *every* political action group seeks it. If this made them hypocrites, then every political action group is hypocritical.
  • you're leaving out the most important part of what I've already said: their plan is to raise awareness through these stunts, not (just) money. They think it's doing good. I think that's debatable, but it *is* their stated intention.

I suppose they might also be hypocrites because they are indulging in the type of media manipulation that I suspect they have complained about their targets using in the past, but that is clearly secondary to the "profiting at the expense of the environment" thing imho.


This is specifically what I was looking for, although it doesn't mean your previous argument wasn't "off topic", I just don't agree with your conclusions.

Re:hypocrisy? (1)

sco08y (615665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080559)

but seriously... how exactly is it hypocritical?

Alright, most people use hypocritical when they mean "holding a double standard." The standard example is of Sen Craig who attacked gays while secretly soliciting sex from men in bathrooms.

But the simple meaning of it is when you say something without believing it, which is pretty clear in this case. They're bringing these charges without caring in the slightest whether or not they're true.

And this isn't just hypocrisy. It's also short-sightedness: they're sacrificing their long term credibility and that of an entire movement for some short term publicity.

That said, if anyone can show me exactly where Greenpeace stated or even implied that they would not selectively target companies for maximum publicity, I will retract my previous statement.

That's ridiculous. So I can't trust the NRA to wrongly harass someone and make me look like a fool for pledging to them just because they didn't explicitly say they aren't publicity whores?

It's implied that any organization has certain principles, Greenpeace states there's [greenpeace.org] and they even have a mission statement [greenpeace.org] on the Canuck site. Publicity whoring will generally destroy your credibility, thus it is implicit in the fact that they have a mission that they are not going to behave like imbeciles.

Reasonable people might disagree as to what constitutes publicity whoring, but Greenpeace is an example of an organization that has clearly crossed that line a long time ago. PETA is even worse... they're self-parodying.

Re:hypocrisy? (1)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080701)

Well yeah. I mean if you want to point at them for being hypocritical you would really be wanting to make waves about how they were killing all those animals, and dumping them in the garbage a while back.

Captcha = Abortive
I swear those things are context sensitive.

Why surprised? (0, Troll)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080097)

Greenpeace is full of hypocrites. They run their organization on fossil fuels then protest the fossil fuel industry. They take money to not protest against companies. They are just a variation on the protection racket

Don't see what's so objectionable about PR-savvy (1, Troll)

graymocker (753063) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080101)

Why is activism directed at the most high-profile target wrong? One of the big activist-buzzphrases is "consciousness-raising," after all. If you believed that the chemicals in a certain class of consumer products is harmful to the environment, it makes perfect sense to go after the market leader and cultural icon in that class of consumer products. That Greenpeace has decided focus attention on Apple as the optimal strategy for achieving their political goals does not imply that they find similar manufacturing practices of other companies unobjectionable. It's simply that they make more political progress when they direct all their available resources to this particular subject.

Unfortunate trend of our times... (1)

shri (17709) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080113)

>> quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical

With media outlets like Drudgereport looking for punch headlines.

With news being read on Google and Digg (more links = top stories).

"Bloggers" turning into the fourth estate...

With the leader of the free world going "You're either with us or against us".

All that matters is .. get the headlines, get your 300 mentions in the viral media and move on.

Mission accomplished I'd say.

Yup (5, Informative)

alexborges (313924) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080143)

Greenpeace has a very long story for even TAKING MONEY to attack someone. Id go as far as to say that, for example, they promoted the idea of dolphin killing tuna fishers everywhere else but the US. They were paid off by american tuna fishers who dont kill dolphins NEAR THE STATES, but they happily do so with dolphin from the philipines.

They also promoted the idea that a harbor project for the large (largest in the world, actually) salt mine down under in Baja was a risk to the gray whales, so that the harbor project was stopped. The pier was projected so big, that a damned whale coud pass under it from ANY possition.... SIDEWAYS. That time they were paid by competing Australian salt miners.

I, for one, have never ever believed anything coming out of greanpeace. They are nothing but a rent-a-hoolingan shop.

Re:Yup (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080289)

I'm from Australia and I don't believe we have any salt mines. Unless they've started mining Lake Eyre. Perhaps you mean Austria? Lotsa salt mines there.

Well DUH! (2, Insightful)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080151)

I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it.

Why do you think the original founder of Greenpeace QUIT?

comma attack (1)

cicatrix1 (123440) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080155)

While it's logical and not surprising, I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it.

Yes, that, is, very, weird. ,

No surprise here (4, Insightful)

davmoo (63521) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080165)

Greenpeace is to the environment and public safety as Pat Robertson is to Christianity.

I love animals and believe we need to clean up the earth and all that, but every time I hear about Greenpeace and one of their stunts, I want to go kill a baby seal and wear its fur. Just like every time PETA does some of their bullshit I go eat lunch at KFC.

Re:No surprise here (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080369)

"Greenpeace is to the environment and public safety as Pat Robertson is to Christianity."

An accurate representation of maintstream leadership appealing to the simple majority...

Greanpeace is an attention whore... (0)

taskiss (94652) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080167)

BUT, when Al Gore does it, he gets a Nobel Peace Prize.

Slashdotters are a funny community.

Re:Greanpeace is an attention whore... (1)

cicatrix1 (123440) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080609)

Wait, we get to vote on the nobel peace prize? Sweet. It doesn't even matter that the two situations are really not at all the same, either. </sarcasm>

Greenpeace is not an environmental organization (5, Interesting)

Spasmodeus (940657) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080187)

Like any political organization that has been in place for too long, its purpose is no longer to accomplish the goals it was founded for, but to simply perpetuate its own existence and increase its power base.

"Environmental extremism arose in the mid-1980s. It arose because the majority of people accepted all of the reasonable points in the environmental agenda, and the only way to remain adversarial and confrontational and anti-everything was to adopt even more extreme positions - eventually abandoning all science and logic altogether."

~ Dr. Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace.

Re:Greenpeace is not an environmental organization (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080703)

I was approached by a Greenpeace rep at a shopping center a few months ago, and they failed to convince me that their cause was a worthy one. I think the particular angle they were going on about was to try and prevent the building of any nuclear power plants in Australia (I may be misremembering though). Whatever the issue was, it was something I knew enough about to know that they were putting one hell of a lot of spin on it to try and further their cause.

The other thing that annoys me about them is when they claim to be conducting a peaceful protest. If you deliberately try and obstruct someone (eg putting yourself between a harpoon and a whale) then you are _not_ holding a peaceful protest, no matter how much you moan and carry on about nearly getting harpooned yourself. By all means protest if there is a cause you feel strongly about, but don't pretend you are taking the 'non-violent resistance' approach when you aren't.

I heard a radio interview with a previous member (and possibly founder?) of greenpeace who left the organisation fairly early on because they were becoming too impotent. The organisation that he then started (mainly focused I think on anti-whaling) makes no claims that their protests are non-violent, and they way he described their antics they obviously were focusing more on vigilante justice than protesting. I think I have a little more respect for that...

Greenpeace... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080189)

Craziness second only to PETA. [furisdead.com]

Do you have a puppy you take for walks or play ball with? Or a kitty who likes to chase string? Everyone knows that its fun to love and play with our animal friends.
But how would you feel if someone took away your kitty or puppy, stomped on their head, and ripped their skin off their bodies?

Nothing like a little ultra-extremism.

Not just about headlines (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080211)

All of you with an ideological bone to pick are frothing at the mouth out of pure ignorance. Not only is it *not* hypocritical to go after high-profile targets, thus extending the reach and efficacy of your message - but it's downright good strategy to go after a target that's more likely to fold and thereby become an industry leader in the values and policies you advocate. In fact, this approach is *standard*. Groups across the ideological spectrum follow this playbook, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

You can certainly criticize Greenpeace for the particulars of this campaign, but criticizing them as "hypocritical" for going after the highest-profile target most likely to achieve success for their campaign? Cry me a river.

Greenpeace is in it for the money (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080237)

The alarmist headline grabbing fear mongering publicity stunts are just to make money. On a credibility scale they are right up there with Rent A Mob and Rent A Crowd.

Seriously... (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080263)

When will Greenpeace STFU? They pull this shit in attempt to make themselves look legitimate, but just makes them look more crazy, and less something people want to have anything to do with. I'm all for saving the whales, and whatever other tree hugger crap they are for, but seriously. Be civili, or GO AWAY!!!

Greenpeace are bastards just like everyone else (1)

Theovon (109752) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080285)

This wouldn't be the first time someone who ostensibly was out to "do the right thing" resorted to blatantly unethical tactics. The fact is that most people can't understand the difference between some learned set of rules they call "morality" from the more general concept of right and wrong called "ethics." This is why fundies have no problems killing abortion doctors or terrorists killing thousands of innocents. Their moral high-ground is the only definition of right and wrong to them, and that gives them license to do anything the hell they want in the name of their morality. It's been this way throughout all of human history, and it's unlikely to change. People get it in their minds that anything counter to what they believe is evil and should be eradicated.

say it isn't so! (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080291)

Green Peace alarmist!!!!!

no, it just can't be!!

they are like anyone else, they spin shit for their own agenda.

News flash: Advocacy groups use marketing! (3, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080303)

Greenpeace is an advocacy group. It uses the same marketing techniques as politicians, for-profit companies, and everyone else. They go for the big target. I think they're being honest in admitting it.

I Have No Issue With Their Process (2, Insightful)

Justifiable_Delusion (759339) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080309)

As we citizens have chosen to ignore what our responsibility to the planet is, it has come to groups like GreenPeace to push us and remember. We have chosen to grasp the philosophy of if I am the only one to do it, it won't hurt anyone. That obviously is a foolish logic.

I am quite happy that they take angles like this. And I am quite happy that people react. And I am quite happy that they attack the high profile targets. Thats their job.

Good work GreenPeace. Keep it up.

Duh! (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080311)

I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it.
Glad you could wake up. The coffee pot is over there. If you take the last cup, start another batch.

Totally works too! (4, Funny)

saikou (211301) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080349)

Admitting targeting Apple to grab headlines grabs headlines too :)

Now, how long until this recursion dies with out of memory error...

Lying to advance the cause? WTF? (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080373)

It amazes me that anyone takes these alarmist groups seriously. It's clear that they outright lie to raise publicity; at least they're admitting it now.

How then, I must ask, do they feel this sort of practice helps their cause?? Does credibility and trust mean nothing to them? Aren't they the least bit concerned that their lying will cause people to start doubting the worthiness of their efforts?

I realize that a lot of people value rhetoric and good intentions over accuracy and truth. But with such tactics, how can any reasonable person consider the likes of Greenpeace anything other than a fringe element whose care first and foremost about drawing attention to themselves.

Can't serve two masters (1)

BlueParrot (965239) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080385)

I consider myself an environmentalist, and this is one of the reasons I have a serious problem with a number of organisations similar to greenpeace. A number of technologies that can do a lot to help the environment, have been irrationally opposed, or hung out, not because of any rational considerations, but for these organisations to make themselves look important. The most notable example is Nuclear power, but there are plenty of others. Over in Sweden the environmentalists are heavily opposing carbon capture and storage ( arguing that it is "just an excuse to continue using certain [evil] technologies". ) despite it being pretty much the only technology we know of that could end the emissions from our steel industry. Electric heating has been shot down as "inefficient" despite being orders of magnitude cleaner than oil and gas (Sweden's electricity production is very clean ).

Seriously, the more I hear about these organisation the more it becomes obvious that they are oblivious to the real issues involved and just want to make themselves look important. In my eyes greenpeace has about as much credibility when it comes to environmental issues as the bush administration. Now just to make things perfectly clear, I think the Bush administration is a bunch of dishonest, selfish and corrupt bastards, and I wouldn't trust a thing they say when it comes to environmental policy, same goes for greenpeace.

greenpeace - useless since the 80's (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080481)

it's been a long time since they stood for anything more then alarmist propaganda.

you only need to read their website to see to know fuck all about the issues their protest so vocally about.

Cavlier and hypocritical? No surprise. (-1, Flamebait)

WheelDweller (108946) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080497)

There's a reason why the founder left; it's gotten so far off-mission he couldn't stand it anymore.

The problem with the left is that the newbies are swept in on the lie that they're open minded, inclusive, real thinkers-and-feelers. To them, the world is so important, they just have to feel bad about it. (Thought not really doing anything about it; maybe send money.)

But as it progresses, you see a lot of real hate from there. Just tune into Air America; the hate is on display. I don't say this to start a flame war, but to illuminate a problem. A few weeks ago something Limbaugh never said was put in front of a Senator for response. It snowballed and snowballed while the truth was sitting right there on Limbaugh's site. As it gained momentum after a few days with all the liberal media (the majority of expressed thought in this nation) continued to bash him for something that never happened. Nine days later and still no correction on AP. CNN let the little detail of the truth slip by. It would appear that all the open-minded, enlightened "journalists" never bothered to check the transcripts; they wanted the story to be true.

That's about the time the ember hit the gasoline.

Harry Reid, another public servant with no intention of finding the truth, had 40 of his Democrat friends sign a letter meant for the owner of ClearChannel to have him shut down. This private citizen was in the crosshairs of American Abuse of Power gone mad...but Rush is the owner's friend...while repeating the story over and over through the days of the week with no sign of the left seeking the truth, he put it up for auction on eBay, matched whatever the highest bid would be, and waited a week.

It broke eBay three times. The top bid was $2,200,100 or so, with all the money going to MC-LEF, a charity for the people the Left insisted Rush had attacked: children of dead Marines and/or Government workers.

At the very last moment, Harry Reid spoke in ways suggesting that, though they (he and Limbaugh) had differences, "they were working on making the most of this" suggesting he had *anything* to do with it at all. And that'd be the hypocrisy, right there.

Conservatives are about truth, ideas that work, and doing things without governmental controls, but the private sector instead. Liberals have one facade they portray to grab the whiny-hearts, the undecided, the people who know no history, and those with hate to spare. It's a big tent, the Democrat party...tree huggers, herbalists, hippies, union thugs, foreign spies, and bigots. There's just one idea: making people victims. When they're victims, they election on "we'll get those republicans, this time!" and they never do.

Ask any black man. How long has the "War on Poverty" been going on? I suspect with the gang-shootings that take place in those welfare hotels, more have died there, than in the Iraq occupation. This is cruel, people: as descendants of slaves, we have a duty to help them more than just throwing crumbs and letting them watch TV and wish for a better life. Welfare isn't an answer for *anyone* past the first year. Everyone needs to work, start a small business, and live the good life. Don't they deserve it, too?

Greenpeace is just another robot organization of this party. They feel empowered by Gaia herself to slash out at people "destroying" the planet...but we're not. And the vanity of such an idea is beyond me. Have these people never seen a satellite photo? We're so VERY small on this planet....and it was made for us to occupy.

Who points out people as black/American Indian/whatever? The Left.
Who tries to buy votes with taxpayer money as a central plank? The Left.
Who would have you programmed, rather than think for yourself? The Left.

Democrats talk about "bringing jobs to the area"? Like so many fireflies. Republicans talk about how YOU can start your own company, how YOU can have the American Dream. It's part of their mindset, and part of the campaigns. It's also why so many support things like JA and other organizations. Democrats want you down, and to stay there. Republicans know if you're up, you can help others up, too.

So when we talk about [any] Leftists showing themselves as hypocrites and fascists, not surprising. I've seen the Oreos thrown at a black Republican running for office in Maryland. I've seen people throwing pies at Ann Coulter. And I've seen 30-50 years of tired Liberal policies that don't work, and we can't make them stop.

20 year, lifetime term limits, now, for every elected office. The Congress should change more than 3% each election.

You Know... (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080563)

Every time you troll the nations newspapers in a dickish attempt to gain publicity at the expense of others, Jesus kills a whale.

Now to even out the environmental Karma on a global scale, I'm going to have to travel to Japan and eat a whale. Nice going, Greenpeace!

Surprising? Why? (1)

vandan (151516) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080667)

While it's logical and not surprising, I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it.

Greenpeace needs media attention. Since they're not exactly best of friends with big business, it's really no surprise at all that they try to leverage whatever they can to thrust themselves into the spotlight. If they didn't take this approach, they wouldn't reach as many people. Reaching as many people as possible is the name of the game. There are bad ways of doing this ( email spam, fax spam, 'market researchers' calling at dinner time ), and there are creative ways of doing this. Apple are in the spotlight, and are fair game.

Got a minute for Greenpeace? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21080683)

I was accosted once on PSU campus in Portland, Oregon by a Greenpeace canvasser, on a particularly rainy, crappy day, worse than the usual. "Have you got a minute for Greenpeace?" he asked.

"I'll get back to you when it isn't raining," I replied.

At they're honest . . . (1)

Cyberllama (113628) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080695)

hile it's logical and not surprising, I find it quite shocking to see them be so cavalier, and even hypocritical, about it."

Isn't it only really hypocritical if they don't admit it?

Greenpeace trolls the media. (2, Insightful)

Kyle (4392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21080699)

Greenpeace admits that it's easy to troll the lazy, sensationalist, fact-immune, hypocritical, navel gazing, self righteous, egotistical, ignorant, self serving, ... media.

News at 11.
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