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ATI Releases AIGLX Linux Driver

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the making-compiz-sing-and-dance dept.

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Michael writes "A month after AMD released a Radeon HD 2000 'R600' Linux driver based on their new Linux driver codebase, they have now released another driver that provides AIGLX support used for Compiz and Compiz Fusion. In addition to this long-awaited AIGLX support, this driver also addresses issues with previous Radeon product families, performance improvements, AGP fixes, and added features to their graphical control panel. Phoronix has a review of the 8.42 Linux driver with all of the details about this much-anticipated release."

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UI Toolkit of Catalyst Control Center (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21090599)

What are they using? It's really ugly. Did they roll their own? Or are they just skinning?

Re:UI Toolkit of Catalyst Control Center (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091299)

QT

So.. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21090621)

..will it run on Linux? Seriously...

Re:So.. (0, Troll)

rehabdoll (221029) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090767)

No.

Atleast not 2.6.23.

Re:So.. (3, Insightful)

noisehole (300584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093363)

how about stopping the instant whining when some company is releasing something for linux? it's really annoying.
here is the 2.6.23 patch btw: http://pluto.blackbone-ev.de/atipatch.php [blackbone-ev.de]

but getting to that link implies READING THE ARTICLE and using a mouse. yeah i know... this is slashdot...

Re:So.. (1)

smchris (464899) | more than 5 years ago | (#21097889)

Actually, I thought it was a mighty succinct comment. The article was fluff. Intentions are nice but articles with feature and benchmark tests and word on the blogs are where the drivers will prove themselves.

Re:So.. (5, Informative)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091005)

..will it run on Linux? Seriously...

From TFA: "but there are a few words of caution. Be forewarned that there is a bug in Compiz 0.3 affecting the fglrx 8.42.3 driver and there may be a few other situations where Compiz or Compiz Fusion may not work immediately. The bug found in Compiz 0.3 and that's causing havoc with fglrx 8.42.3, has been resolved in Compiz 0.6. Next month in fglrx 8.43, AMD will be introducing a workaround for Compiz 0.3 support. "

So that's a definite "Maybe".

No wonder (0, Offtopic)

moogied (1175879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090687)

"This is coming 13 months after NVIDIA had introduced its AIGLX support"

No Wonder AMD's stock is in the crapper. http://www.123jump.com/earnings-calls/AMD-Third-Quarter-Earnings-Call/23553/ [123jump.com] [for those too lazy to rtfa, "recorded a net loss of $396 million"]

Of course, there is not a large market segment that considers linux drivers when purchasing a new card... but still. It just shows lack of effort.

That's great but... (-1, Offtopic)

aicrules (819392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090771)

Vista users need not apply! http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/23/1255235 [slashdot.org]

Re:That's great but... (-1, Troll)

aicrules (819392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090793)

Dude you idiot, at least RTFHeadline if you're not going to RTFA. This is for linux....

Re:That's great but... (2, Insightful)

jagilbertvt (447707) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090851)

Mod parent down. He's replying to his own posts trying to look insightful.

Re:That's great but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21095085)

He did not! Mod GP's insightful post up.

Re:That's great but... (-1, Offtopic)

aicrules (819392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090875)

Oops, sorry about that. I will try to be more vigilant in my quest for lame +5 funny posts :(

Finally!!!! (2, Funny)

slap20 (168152) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090879)

Well it will be nice to get my cheap ATI card out of vga mode at 640x480 at 4bit color.... Maybe one day I can move up to 8 bit color.

Re:Finally!!!! (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091251)

Well, my cheap ATI card runs at 1024x768 at 32-bit color with full 3d acceleration

(Note: Mobility Radeon 9100, R200)

Re:Finally!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091589)

full 3d acceleration

How did you manage that miracle?

Re:Finally!!!! (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091655)

The open-source ATI driver (the one that's been around a while, not the new one AMD's starting) is nearly perfect with R200 (Radeon 8500/9100m) cards

Re:Finally!!!! (2, Insightful)

stinerman (812158) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091991)

Yes, it's quite good and is especially needed as fglrx doesn't support R200 chips anymore.

The bad thing for us R3xx owners is now that all the specs are open for R5xx and R6xx, I don't think there will be much more work on the older cards. I wouldn't want to do a bunch of reverse engineering for an old card when I could get docs for the new ones.

Re:Finally!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21093351)

Actually, to my understanding, the Radeon 9000 series (not 9500+) was the last graphics chip that ATI released specs for. That is why the drivers have been so much better than subsequent chips.

Re:Finally!!!! (1)

stinerman (812158) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093583)

The R2xx (8500, 9200) chips had documentation available under NDA. The R3xx, R4xx chips (9500, 9600, 9800) are purely reverse engineered.

I'll be happy for working 2D acceleration (1)

CustomDesigned (250089) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093067)

I have an ATI ES1000 (Dell SC440) that is supposed to have 2D acceleration, including xvideo. The driver reports working xvideo, but actually playing a video (on xine, mplayer, or totem) gives a blue screen where the video should be. (And the same software on older 2D only ATI cards works fine).

Re:Finally!!!! (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095379)

Well it will be nice to get my 256Mb ATi X1550 out of VGA mode at 1024x768 at 16-bit color.

Btw I am NOT joking, thats what I am stuck at on Gutsy. Not a good look on a 22" Widescreen monitor

Bullshit... (5, Informative)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090889)

...at least in my experience.

Problem one: Doesn't actually work with Compiz. While AIGLX works, XComposite does not, and loading Compiz results in massive screen corruption. Joy.

Problem two: Anybody who had XVideo problems before, will probably still have them now. Sad but true. Ditto with font selection and rendering.

Problem three: While X.org server 1.4 is supported, Linux 2.6.23 is not. Anybody running on the bleeding edge is once again locked out.

I'm sure more bugs will show up, but I'm pretty disappointed that they haven't improved the heavily broken XComposite support that they claim "works just fine."

Re:Bullshit... (5, Insightful)

FMZ (1178473) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090957)

Problem three: While X.org server 1.4 is supported, Linux 2.6.23 is not. Anybody running on the bleeding edge is once again locked out.
Umm... there's a reason they call it the "bleeding edge". Sometimes it hurts.

Re:Bullshit... (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092347)

2.6.23 [kernel.org] was released on October 12th. Once it's released it's not really bleeding edge, just leading edge. Working drivers for a released kernel is not too much to ask.

Re:Bullshit... (2, Informative)

cachimaster (127194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093273)

There are unofficial patches to make it work with 2.6.23 in the Phoronix forum. Also, i got compiz-fusion working (With a little tweaking) on Gutsy perfectly. So much for the "Ati drivers suck" meme.

Re:Bullshit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21095421)

I wouldn't call 2.6.23 "bleeding edge." Heck one of the most user friendly and widely adopted distros ships with the kernel - Gutsy - any *buntu user who has upgraded is locked out from using this driver, and I dare say that is an awful lot of the linux desktops.

Re:Bullshit... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21097411)

[blockquote][blockquote]Problem three: While X.org server 1.4 is supported, Linux 2.6.23 is not. Anybody running on the bleeding edge is once again locked out.[/blockquote]
Umm... there's a reason they call it the "bleeding edge". Sometimes it hurts.[/blockquote]

Except the 2.6.23 is the previous *release* (stable version), 2.6.23.1 being the newest release, and 2.6.24-rc1 being the bleeding edge.

Re:Bullshit... (5, Insightful)

DeadManCoding (961283) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090977)

While the system may still be broken, it doesn't matter. The Linux community (myself included) has wanted better open source drivers for video cards, and AMD is finally making good on it. I may not be able to play bleeding edge games on my Linux system, but the software is getting there, and that's the important part.

Well said. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091271)

And thank you for saying it.

Open Source Drivers? (0, Troll)

Inhibit (105449) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091515)

Let me know as soon as you find those open source drivers you're lauding over on ATI's site. Neither source nor the binary driver appear to be available from where I'm sitting.

Separate stuff. (4, Insightful)

DrYak (748999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092857)

TFA is about the current closed source ATI drivers, (the one downloadable from AMD's website).

The GP was speaking about the opensource drivers, which is a different project [livejournal.com] . Anyway, AMD/ATI has promised to help them too, and is currently in the process of releasing specs, step by step. Currently they have provided enough information for the mode setting :
- it's now possible to switch to a 2D mode using opensource drivers. Before that, VESA was the only working solution because of important change between the Radeon 2D architecture (up to R4x0 / Radeon X850) and the Avivo 2D architecture (from R5x0 Radeon X1x00 onward).

Other specs will follow step by step. Anyway, you'll still have to wait at least 1 year befor good and stable opensource drivers for Radeon HD 2900 start to popup in your favorite Linux/BSD distro. The good news from today's article is that until then the current closed source drivers are ratter good.
And AMD is promising to keep releasing specs for the opensource drivers project.

Re:Separate stuff. (1)

Inhibit (105449) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094365)

And apparently neither you nor the original responder use said drivers. The latest showing up on their site as of 9:31 EST is 8.40.1, not the driver this article purports to cover. Which is what I was why I was asking where the driver was.

This makes four pages on how it almost works not worth much. Also, performance gains through increasing the artifact count don't do much for me.. although I'd be able to say for sure if I could get the driver.

At any rate, you can check for yourself right here: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html [amd.com]

As for the open source drivers, I'll give them some kudos when they're actually available, thanks. Until that happens they haven't got drivers that are worth anything in either closed *or* GPL form.

Re:Separate stuff. (1)

Taleron (875810) | more than 6 years ago | (#21096943)

Ummm...not to rain on your fiery speech, but you might wanna check that you're looking at the right driver page. That link's for older Radeons like the R500/Radeon X1k, version 8.40.4. Not the R600/RadeonHD 2000 series, which is using 8.41.7. :)

It's still not 8.42 like the Phoronix article's talking about, but if you want the drivers that bad it might help to bookmark the corresponding chipset page. Here's the right link (it's got a little "hd" in the URL) which is where it would show up; 8.41's still up there at the moment:

http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhd.html [amd.com]

The different versions and URLs (3, Informative)

DrYak (748999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21097427)

  • 8.42 : is currently *being* released, links are not updated everywhere. But a few google request may bring you to forums where it is already available [fuckinggoogleit.com] . For exemple, Phoroinix [phoronix.com] have published a link to the driver they did test. I think the release is not official yet because of the reported problems with 2.6.23 kernel. The same google search can also bring out patches to circumvent those problems [phoronix.com] and even howtos about using the new AIGLX [ubuntuforums.org] for desktop compositing.
  • 8.41 : Is the previous release. It was mainly centered around bringing RadeonHD support on linux. Thus some bugs may have managed to slip by with older chipsets. IT IS available on the ATI [amd.com] website. But it comes with a caveat [amd.com] explaining the situation, that this driver is mainly targeting Radeon HD and that it's "use at your own risk" with previous chipset generations. You're still free to try it on X800XL if you want (Phoroinix [phoronix.com] did it in their).
  • 8.40 : is the latest release using the older code base. Currently it is what has been the most widely tested and debugged for older chipset, so that's why it's the first thing you land on.
  • There's a nice wiki [cchtml.com] about ATI on Linux, with distro specific pages, links to the latest bleeding edge versions and such.


GPL drivers are currently standard on most distribution for cards up to R4#0 (Radeon X8#0). If you want bleeding edge you can get them from freedesktop's git repository.
GPL drivers for R500 and up are currently being created. You can get the currently couple of working pieces from its corresponding irregular devel companion [livejournal.com] .

You either have to wait more time until it's trivially offered as the first choice on the ATI selector (for the binary drivers) out of the box with major distros (for the GPL driver).
Or you have to accept "bleeding edge" mean, understand that all those drivers are fresh from the oven, not thoroughly tested thus maybe not ready for the public at large, and that you need a little bit of google before assembling the necessary pieces, or use specialised resources like the afore mentioned wiki.

Re:Bullshit... (2, Insightful)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091125)

Keep in mind how new this is and how complex a GPU is these days. It's gonna be a mess for a few sometime. What I would like to know is who is more dedicated to making Linux drivers that are (eventually) rock solid? I'm planing to build a new rig soon. Should I go nVidiea because I know they have decent drivers now or ATI because once they get the kinks out it'll be better? I'm sure people are gonna say that ATI is better because they went Open Source. But nVidiea could open up any day now in response to all this and they already have a working code base.

Re:Bullshit... (1)

roscocoltran (1014187) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091245)

I you still buy nvidia when ati is opening the source code of the drivers, why would nvidia ever open it's source code ?

Re:Bullshit... (1)

hayek_fan (1167561) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092011)

Because nVidia provided adequate Linux support for years, while ATI (now =AMD for a year) fu***** up Linux users? Look at fglrx development, they didn't add a single important feature for years, the drier development looks like one-man-show.

Re:Bullshit... (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 6 years ago | (#21097109)

last I checked all that had been released were 2D specs which aren't worth much given that we already have an opensource 2D driver.

If ati releases usable opensource 3D drivers or even closed source ones that are better than nvidia maybe I will consider switching but not until then.

Re:Bullshit... (1)

pinkocommie (696223) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091255)

I've just gone with Nvidia. My reasoning was along the lines of I need to use the system now. If/when ATI/AMD get enough specs out and everything is coded correctly, I can ebay/craigslist the nVidia and switch to ATI. I'm not holding my breath, as someone else said GPU's are complex, it'll take time for it to stabilize (and yes I'd prefer the open source version as well but I'm not willing to work with an unstable/minimally functionally system either)

Re:Bullshit... (2, Insightful)

Spy Hunter (317220) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094837)

ATI committed to providing complete documentation, but did not provide the source code to their current driver. This is (partially) because their current closed driver contains proprietary IP that ATI does not own, so they can't open-source it. NVIDIA is in the same situation and will have to take the same slow route to open-source drivers when they eventually come to their senses. They cannot "open up any day now" and "have a working code base" instantly, any more than ATI could.

Re:Bullshit... (0, Offtopic)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091225)

Nobody's locked out of anything, the source is there and you are welcome to fix it.

It used to be that people complained about lack of specs useful for writing drivers. Now people complain about the vendor not writing the actual driver! Kids these days...

Re:Bullshit... (4, Informative)

qbwiz (87077) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091329)

You seem to be a bit confused. ATI has not released the source to fglrx, and they haven't yet released the spec for doing 3D.

Re:Bullshit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21095849)

Problem two: Anybody who had XVideo problems before, will probably still have them now. Sad but true. Ditto with font selection and rendering.
Nope, all gone. In fact the entire extension is gone - it no longer pretends to support it for me. The prior support did get so bad that I searched for a way to disable it, and that didn't work, but now it's simply gone.

Re:Bullshit... (1)

msormune (808119) | more than 6 years ago | (#21096829)

Maybe the solution for the bleeding edge problem is to have STABLE Linux kernel APIs for graphics cards. You know, just like how the rest of the world works.

Re:Bullshit... (0, Flamebait)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 5 years ago | (#21097943)

Maybe the solution for the bleeding edge problem is to have STABLE Linux kernel APIs for graphics cards. You know, just like how the rest of the world works.

Fuck you. Move to a different OS and try to ruin that with your retarded suggestions instead. Alternatively fork the kernel and implement what you're asking for. The best bit is that if you're unable to do that, you are automatically unqualified to tell the kernel devs that they should be doing it.

Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21090897)

This will be god-send for those who are looking to run the shiny cubes and other GUI goodies with Beryl/Compiz.

No support for 2.6.23 (1, Insightful)

rehabdoll (221029) | more than 6 years ago | (#21090921)

"The Linux 2.6.23 support isn't found in fglrx 8.42.3 due to issues with x86_64 support. However, we do expect that fglrx 8.43 will contain the Linux 2.6.23 kernel support."

Skilled folks, those ATI engineers..

Re:No support for 2.6.23 (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092381)

So, because there were issues with x64 on 2.6.23, everyone with 2.6.23 has to suffer? How hard would it have been to leave in 2.6.23 support with the caveat that it won't work on x64?

Re:No support for 2.6.23 (1)

pairo (519657) | more than 6 years ago | (#21096593)

So because there are issues with x64 on 2.6.23, everyone with x64 has to suffer? How hard would it have been to leave in x64 support with the caveat that it won't work on 2.6.23?
The difference between a kernel version and the architecture of your CPU is... well, it's easier to downgrade your kernel than install a new system.

Re:No support for 2.6.23 (1)

tmarklund (1030108) | more than 6 years ago | (#21097103)

Keep in mind that ATI:s development cycle for a given driver spans over 2-3 months, with the last month for testing (i.e. no new features). 2.6.23 was released less than two weeks ago. I think it is better they say that they don't support 2.6.23, wait to the 8.43 driver and make things correct right away, instead of rushing support and testing which would remove resources from other stuff.
Just because someone releases a new version of a software it doesn't mean that all those that use it must support it right away.

Re:No support for 2.6.23 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21097877)

Linux 2.6.23 was released 15 days ago, what the fuck do you expect?

Site not upgraded? (1)

cachimaster (127194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091047)

The site [amd.com] still has not upgraded and shows the same old 8.40.4 driver. There is some official download link? or is TFA talking about some beta version?

Am i only one? (2, Interesting)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091121)

I'm having problems with Nvidia and ATI drivers on windows and on GNU/Linux side. With different motherboards and different 3D cards and with different drivers. Many users bashes ATI because they old driver style. My friend dont have any issues with ATI on windows but linux side he has. I didnt have 9700 on Linux side but with windows i did. Now on 8600GT i get so much problems that it's just enought just to mention that i have them. Best drivers what i have seen has come from Intel and #2 position is ATI and last one is Nvidia. These are my experienses what i have collected from my PC's and my friend systems too. Many user just says something "these drivers sucks so bad that..." even without testing them. I even buyed Vista (with OEM version just 20 euros) to know it sucks. I didnt even just dumped when i feeled it was enough, i used it few months to learn what problems normal user might get and how to resolve them. And i did even have big problems even GNU/Linux and previous windows versions i can handle very well. Same thing with 3D drivers, need to know almoust every possible problem and what is good and what is bad to tell just something 'neutral'. We need more open API's and open specs to get things work... it just takes time.

Re:Am i only one? (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#21097383)

I have ZERO problems with my nVidia 8800GTS on Ubuntu Gutsy (and previously Feisty) x86-64 and Windows XP x64 SP2.

I used to have an assortment of ATI cards, but none of them have been without issues.

My X800GTO had ram trouble, and had to have the ram underclocked to run stable. I had a dead, followed by a working X1900XTX. With that card, in Windows x64, suspend (mode 3) didn't work more than once between restarts, among other issues. In Ubuntu Feisty, I had to alter xorg.conf to enable DRI (hardware acceleration) by disabling a few other things (I forget what now). I also had video rendering issues, even in VLC etc, because the card was swapping two colour channels in videos. More hacks to fix that (disabling the quality video scaling IIRC, resulting in blockier videos). Beryl (now Compiz again) showed me that it didn't support AIGLX mode, so I had to use the command line to switch to xgl. Even after that I frequently had issues with windows and menus ending up solid white or black, which could have just been beryl's fault.

With my 8800GTS I initially had issues because Ubuntu was loading the wrong driver (nvidia instead of nvidia_new or something like that). That was sorted in Ubuntu itself within a week. I haven't had any other problems with the 8800GTS, before or since.

Where's the freaking download ink? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091183)

No link in the article, nothing on ATI's website except their propiertary crap driver.

Suspending? (5, Interesting)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091387)

Can you suspend your laptop using these drivers. There was a problem using the 8.40.3 drivers and any distro that uses the SLUB allocator that causes the system to hang while trying to suspend. Since most distros (if not all) are moving to SLUB this is a pretty big issue, ATI is usually behind the 8-ball though so I'm not getting my hopes up.

Re:Suspending? (1)

TheKidder (894874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092647)

From my (limited) testing, the same problem exists. This was pretty much the only thing I was waiting for, so it looks like I'll cross my fingers and wait for 8.43.

Not quite my experience... (2, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093241)

The SLUB problem was that laptop would never complete suspend. The manifistation of it was that the half-moon would just keep blinking and never go solid. Now with 8.42 (mind you, hacked for a FireGL PCIID), it completes suspend. Resuming however, has yet to return me a working screen. However, if I kill X with alt-sysrq-k, and I can set capslock and change VTs, indicating it almost works. I'll play with the resume scripts, but it appears that the SLUB-blocking-suspend was addressed, but for some strange reason, it still doesn't resume right.

Ahh... closed source drivers.

Re:Not quite my experience... (1)

TheKidder (894874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093479)

Looks like I have a bit more experimenting to do then. I'll try a few more things and see if I can get it to work.

Let me know... (2, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093621)

So far, I've gotten it to suspend, and resume successfully in Gutsy, *but* the catch that makes it useless, is I essentially make /etc/acpi/resumed/65-console.sh *not* attempt a single chvt, and so I can never get back to X. So the kernel seems fine, but X won't come back and chvt will hang in the process. Have tried saving vbestate and post_video, and neither, but of those two there is no success. The graphics did work with the vbestate saving and post_video in text consoles though....

Re:Not quite my experience... (2, Interesting)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093875)

Interesting, I've noticed since upgrading to Gutsy my laptop (with ATI video chipset) wouldn't suspend, would shut down the PCMCIA WiFi card but then leave me at a blank screen (blinking cursor, I think, not in front of it right now). I hadn't played with it yet though. I thought it might be because I modified the sleep/resume scripts slightly, when I was having some issues with said wifi card, ndiswrapper, WPA and sleeping.

Re:Suspending? (1)

gfunicus (633515) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095819)

The new driver seems to fix my suspend *and* resume problems. Gutsy, IBM T42 with Radeon Mobility 9600.

Re:Suspending? (1)

drachenstern (160456) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095909)

Unfortunately, no.

I'm crossing my fingers hoping that an astute developer who knows the power management ins and outs of the kernel, X, and the suspend/hibernate routines figures out what the problem is in the next couple of days.

Hopefully it's a simple fix, although those always seem to be the hardest fixes, eh?

For non x86 platforms? (1)

drspliff (652992) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091735)

I've been waiting for updated ATI drivers for non-x86 platforms (e.g. PPC) for a while now due to problems with the open-source existing DRI drivers being pretty crap on my specific card (iMac G3 with Rage 128).

Does anybody know if it's likely that i'll be able to get these working, or is all the GL stuff wrapped up in proprietary x86 only code?

Re:For non x86 platforms? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091909)

Your Rage 128 is three hardware generations older than the oldest cards the proprietary driver supports.

I don't normally reply twice, but... (5, Informative)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091815)

...this is not an open-source driver.

There are three ATI drivers. There is fglrx, which is this driver that was just released. There is radeon, which is the open-source driver that controls Rages, R200s, R300s, and R400s. And there is radeonhd, which controls R500s and R600s.

fglrx has many issues. It now has AIGLX, but it still has broken XComposite. Xvideo doesn't work for many people. Direct 3D rendering is slower than on Windows. The entire driver is closed-source and shims a binary blob into the kernel. But, it still offers 3D for R400, R500, and R600 chipsets.

radeon is the dependable open-source driver for older Radeon-based and Rage-based cards. It works excellently, with direct rendering for all chipsets up to the R200 series. People are working on R300/R400 direct rendering right now; see http://tirdc.livejournal.com/ [livejournal.com] .

radeonhd is a brand-new open-source driver that controls new R500 and R600 cards. It has no direct rendering yet, but there is a promise from ATI/AMD that documents pertaining to direct rendering will be released sometime soon without NDA. This driver is still being worked on, but it offers satisfactory 2D for many people.

Re:I don't normally reply twice, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092117)

Correction: R300/R400 do have direct rendering under the open-source driver; it's just feature-incomplete (e.g. no multisample FSAA support) and slow.

Re:I don't normally reply twice, but... (1)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092603)

Direct 3D rendering is slower than on Windows [with fglrx].

If it's still slower, it's only by a tiny margin now. fglrx 8.42 is *hugely* faster than 8.40 and below. My Radeon X1400 now runs Doom 3 at 37.1 fps (1024x768, medium quality), compared to the 21 fps it got before with the same settings.

fglrx still has issues, but its 3D performance is no longer one of them.

Re:I don't normally reply twice, but... (1)

BigBuckHunter (722855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092637)

Hi there,

Good post. s/D3D/OGL. Probably was a typo/brainFart.
 
BBH

Re:I don't normally reply twice, but... (1)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093153)

XD, didn't even catch that. "Direct 3D rendering" should be "direct rendering, e.g. 3D," not "Direct3D rendering." Thanks.

The perfect driver (1)

hayek_fan (1167561) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091835)

Compiz doesn't work. That's what we waited for for over a year?

Re:The perfect driver (1)

elerran (1001939) | more than 6 years ago | (#21097063)

Actually, it worked for some of us.

My card is a Mobility Radeon 9000, and after the upgrade to Gutsy, compiz wouldn't work, neither with ati/aiglx, nor with xgl/fglrx. However, using this driver made compiz load!

My problem is I used the install method, and did not create a deb package, because using this option creates a really tall window, in which I can only see redhat and suse. Maybe ubuntu was somewhere at the bottom of the window, but it didn't fit inside my screen... :(

Tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091881)

Can someone tell me what this means for someone with an ATI card? Do we finally get Composite/Hardware rendering together?!

Does AMD have a developer/beta channel? (2, Interesting)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092009)

Because I think then many of these issues could get resolved more quickly. By "these issues," I mean things like better Compiz support and more modern kernel support. Fortunately*, I don't even upgrade my kernel more than two or three times a year (unless there's some major feature or fix that I happen to read), so not supporting the latest & greatest kernel isn't a major issue for me.

*I know that this leaves me vulnerable to security exploits, but I'd rather take my chances with that than not being able to use my programs at all because of an incompatibility. Plus, I've gone through upgrading after every kernel revision and it just gets tiring. There are many systems that are up for a longer period of time than whenever each kernel upgrade is released, so I have a feeling I'm not alone here, either.

Re:Does AMD have a developer/beta channel? (1)

Harik (4023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092407)

How many KERNEL security exploits were released in the last year?

Some occasional obscure driver bullshit, but I can't think of any in the parts of the kernel everyone will have.

Re:Does AMD have a developer/beta channel? (1)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092859)

Looks like a troll, smells like a troll, probably *is* a troll.

At the risk of feeding you:

Two examples of exploit lists from different times:
http://www.novell.com/linux/security/advisories/2007_51_kernel.html [novell.com]
http://lwn.net/Articles/118952/ [lwn.net]

To say that Linux has no security exploits is just plain stupid and naive.

Re:Does AMD have a developer/beta channel? (1)

Splab (574204) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095761)

Speaking of trolls, second link was to a 2005 exploit, so that doesn't really count as being within last year does it now? And the other link looked like a SUSE problem, so who is trolling again?

So what's the estimate... (4, Interesting)

Amphetam1ne (1042020) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092831)

..until I can get hardware H.264/AVC1 decoding in LinuxMCE using my Radeon HD card then? Months? Years? the day after the next big encoding standard is released?

Re:So what's the estimate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21098945)

please have a look at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi [freedesktop.org]
the specs are not ready yet, but this promises to be the successor to the dated xvmc (that is basically only suitable for mpeg1/2), and intel is working hard to get it done soon.
if amd and nvidia decide to adopt it too, we may well have excellent hardware acceleration for modern video codecs (like mpeg4 and avc) soon.

unfortunately there is no roadmap on the project page. :/

Nice closed-source driver, where are the specs? (0, Troll)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093935)

This driver looks nice with a few improvements over the old one.

However I was hoping to get their 3D API so we could write our own. When's that going to happen?

ati still sucks (1)

ralph1 (900228) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095137)

I tried it on gutsy and sabayon 64 bit on a 200m i guess no developers own a laptop. it did not work even after five hrs of messing around. ATI sucks on linux nothing is going to fix that.

Re:ati still sucks (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095257)

agreed, the gutsy restricted driver requires you go back to both sideport and UMA video memory instead of just the sideport/onboard memory. This used to work years ago, then recently started working a few months back but now is broken again. WTF, there are probably atleast a few million 200M laptop/mobo users.

LoB

Open Source? (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 6 years ago | (#21095865)

When they release an Open Source driver for a newer card, let me know. There occasional announcement of vague future plans just don't cut it. In the meantime I'm going to back to sleep.

p.s. Oooh! I just dissed ATI! Expect this post to be modded into oblivion within ten minutes.

Re:Open Source? (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 5 years ago | (#21098111)

When they release an Open Source driver for a newer card, let me know. There occasional announcement of vague future plans just don't cut it. In the meantime I'm going to back to sleep.

What, like the RadeonHD driver for R500/600 being developed by FreeDesktop.org based on the specs that ATI released?

p.s. Oooh! I just dissed ATI! Expect this post to be modded into oblivion within ten minutes.

Personally I've always been modded up for dissing ATI. I'd like to think that you'd get modded down for not actually knowing anything about the subject you're commenting on and not being insightful, informative or funny.

Its progress... (2, Insightful)

hitmanWilly1337 (1034664) | more than 6 years ago | (#21096139)

At least the new overlords of ATI (AMD, for those not in the know) are actually making a halfway decent effort to support nix. While granted, they have a LONG way to go to meet even the quality of nVidia's drivers, at least its a step in the right direction, instead of the old "We'll make one, but we're really not going to put any effort into it" attitude. Hey, sometimes we have to be thankful for even small miracles.

AGP support in WinXP SP2 is broke (1)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 6 years ago | (#21097753)

Glad to hear linux AGP support is getting attention. The AGP support for Direct 3D in Catalyst 7.8, 7.9, and 7.10 is broke.

Seth

But does it *work*? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#21098711)

I once made the mistake of buying a card that said "RADEON" across the front of the box in big letters, had an ATI logo in the corner... but wouldn't work with the ATI drivers, because being sold by PowerColor, it was "not an ATI card". That's *all* the debug info I got to go with my black screen.

Motherfuckers. I switched to nVidia, whose drivers aren't written by gay homeless people.
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