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Verizon Offers 20/20 Symmetrical FiOS Service

kdawson posted about 7 years ago | from the what-a-concept dept.

The Internet 375

BlueMerle writes with news that Verizon is offering 20 Mbps symmetrical service for current FiOS customers in NY, CT, and NJ. It will cost $65 a month. Cable companies aren't in a position to match this capability.

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Decisions, decisions.... (2, Interesting)

Bongo Bill (853669) | about 7 years ago | (#21097121)

On the one hand, finally, a competitive level of Internet service.

On the other hand, Verizon.

Well, it's a non-issue for me, since I'm not in any of those states, but it'll give me time to think about it between now and when (if) they start offering it in my area.

Re:Decisions, decisions.... (2, Interesting)

kakofb (725561) | about 7 years ago | (#21097883)

ADSL2+ can deliver the 20mbit downlink component, and with Annex-M up to 2.6mbit upload.
I'm sitting on such a connection right now, here in Sydney. If the U.S. had line sharing legislation you could too!

Line sharing is a fantastic thing. It allows small ISPs to have their own DSLAMs in exchanges, while using existing copper networks to people's houses. Sure ADSL2+ is not anywhere near as good as FiOS can be, but it is far more open and competitive. I have the choice of at least 10 ADSL2+ providers on my exchange (Internode, iiNet, Telstra, Primus, NexTep, TPG, Optus plus all the ISPs that resell Optus DSLAM space).

Heh (3, Insightful)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | about 7 years ago | (#21097125)

It's only as fast as the server you're connecting to...

Re:Heh (2, Funny)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 7 years ago | (#21097299)

Well, to get the most of it, you'll have to connect to a bunch of different servers at the same time.

Re:Heh (2, Interesting)

dascritch (808772) | about 7 years ago | (#21097355)

Yeah... no way to saturate my 100Mb/100Mb FiOS here in Toulouse. (offered by Orange, price is 45E monthly)

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097477)

Why do people like you assume net users only do one thing at a time? You must live alone.

Re:Heh (-1, Troll)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | about 7 years ago | (#21097613)

My original point still applies whether you're making 1 or 100 simultaneous connections, you twat.

Re:Heh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097751)

No, no it doesn't, you schmuck.

Re:Heh (1)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | about 7 years ago | (#21097811)

Hey, now that's just RUDE :)

Re:Heh (1, Interesting)

cheaphomemadeacid (881971) | about 7 years ago | (#21097727)

Oh nice, oh as long as you don't use it for anything but web and email, max 5GB/month [google.com]

quote from article:
Verizon's user agreement for the BroadbandAccess plan prohibits continuous streaming of audio or video and peer-to-peer file sharing, all of which generate heavy traffic.

and

It also reserves the right to disconnect or slow down traffic for anyone using too much data, but since this spring, the cap has been explicit rather than undisclosed: 5 gigabytes of data per month.

Re:Heh (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 7 years ago | (#21097759)

They also block port 80 if anyone is getting ideas.

Re:Heh (1)

admdrew (782761) | about 7 years ago | (#21097897)

They also block port 80 if anyone is getting ideas.

I'm guessing just *inbound* port 80 traffic? ;)

Would be kinda amusing if they blocked all outbound connections on 80.

Re:Heh (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 7 years ago | (#21097959)

Yeah, I figured it was implied. ;)

Would make for some boring internet without port 80.

Re:Heh (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | about 7 years ago | (#21097949)

They also block port 80 if anyone is getting ideas.
The last time I had Verzion DSL (several years ago), their tech support either wouldn't admit that they block port 80, or were too stupid to know that they do. I'd say either one is equally likely.

Re:Heh (1)

rmgrotkierii (190011) | about 7 years ago | (#21097991)

I normally don't feed trolls, but if you RTFA you would find out it was the company Verizon Wireless and not for Verizon FiOS plan for residential plans. :)

One word: (3, Funny)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about 7 years ago | (#21097153)

Bittorrent.

Obligatory AYBABTU reference (5, Funny)

DrYak (748999) | about 7 years ago | (#21097207)

Narrator: In A.D. 2007, war was beginning.

MPAA/RIAA: What happen ?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bittorrent.
Operator: We get signal.
MPAA/RIAA: What!
Operator: Main screen turn on.
MPAA/RIAA: It's you!!
Pirate: How are you gentlemen!!
Pirate: All your files are belong to us.
Pirate: You are on the way to distribution.
MPAA/RIAA: What you say!!
Pirate: You have no chance to stay in business make your time.
Pirate: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
Operator: Mafiaa!!
MPAA/RIAA: Take off every 'LAWYER'!!
MPAA/RIAA: You know what you doing.
MPAA/RIAA: Move 'LAWYER'.
MPAA/RIAA: For great suits and settlements.

Re:One word: (2, Interesting)

marcello_dl (667940) | about 7 years ago | (#21097253)

I was thinking more like: one server in the office, a colocated or virtual small backup server for emergency, LAMP or equivalent (i prefer postgres and rails) and be done with the google model of "all your data are belong to us".

Still you're not free, until you stop depending on one ISP alone.

Re:One word: (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 7 years ago | (#21097311)

No, just like all residential services, they will probably have some stipulation about not being allowed to use it to host servers. Also, I'm not sure they off a real SLA, so it would seem that you might be down when you most need the service.

Re:One word: (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 7 years ago | (#21097779)

They block port 80 requests for sure. I'm not sure about other common ports.

Availability (1, Funny)

pinkocommie (696223) | about 7 years ago | (#21097175)

Call up your local Verizon office to find out availability. I called the 8xx-get-fios number and they hadn't even heard of the plan.

Re:Availability (5, Funny)

johncadengo (940343) | about 7 years ago | (#21097375)

I called the 8xx-get-fios number and they hadn't even heard of the plan.

Knowing the average slashdot user, it's probably because you requested the "Twenty-twenty symmetrical fiber optics to the premises internet service." Next time, just ask for the "really, really, really fast internet. Please."

Cable Companies can match or exceed this in 2008 (5, Informative)

ctrl (49474) | about 7 years ago | (#21097187)

With the advent of DOCSIS 3.0, cable companies can "bundle up" upstream channels for up to 120 Mbits. Standard DOCSIS 3.0 cable modems will have 4 downstreams and 4 upstream channels, for a total (theoretical) throughput of 200 Mbit/s DS and 120 Mbit/s US.

While the throughput is shared, there's something to be said about PowerBoost as well - they may be able to offer a 20/20 service with boost capability up to 40/40 or 80/40... or if you pay to download movie they may allow you to download that movie @ the full 200 Mbit/s.

Cable companies will be able to compete - but only if they don't keep shooting themselves in the foot with things like BitTorrent filtering.

Re:Cable Companies can match or exceed this in 200 (1)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21097251)

if you pay to download movie they may allow you to download that movie @ the full 200 Mbit/s.
How can they tell if I've paid for any of these? [sanctuaryforall.com]

Re:Cable Companies can match or exceed this in 200 (2, Informative)

fabu10u$ (839423) | about 7 years ago | (#21097825)

I had read that the real bottleneck in the DOCSIS system was the total bandwidth allocated to upstream traffic on each coax system. Apparently it has to be a separate band to keep from interfering with downstream television and data.

If true, the cable operators will have to keep deploying more fiber nodes to break the coax network into smaller and smaller pieces to be able to compete. Eventually they might have to run fiber to each house...?

No love for Socal? (3, Interesting)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 7 years ago | (#21097191)

I pay almost that much already for Charter high speed cable that's a fraction of those speeds. My upstream is half a meg. With 20/20 I could actually keep my BT ratios positive. I might need to buy some more HDDs though...

I doubt charter will ever improve in my area until they have some real competitors. Right now they're the only game in town if you want the fastest connection.

Re:No love for Socal? (1)

packeteer (566398) | about 7 years ago | (#21097245)

With 20/20 I could actually keep my BT ratios positive.

Haha...

You think they would let you host bit torrent all day with that? Ya right, they would either charge an overuse fee (they are in nearly every unlimited internet package from major soulless corporations) or they would just shut you off.

Re:No love for Socal? (3, Interesting)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21097277)

Why else would a home user need 20/20 if they aren't uploading torrents? Surely Verizon realizes this, right?

Re:No love for Socal? (1)

nojjynb (1003593) | about 7 years ago | (#21097459)

I'm using it for a couple of game servers...

Re:No love for Socal? (1)

teg (97890) | about 7 years ago | (#21097737)

Why else would a home user need 20/20 if they aren't uploading torrents?

Update picasaweb/.mac/flickr etc with personal photos, send emails with large attachments, upload to youtube, improving the experience while working from home on a VPN (saving documents to a server) are some samples of legitimate purposes benefiting from high bandwidth.

Re:No love for Socal? (3, Informative)

MLease (652529) | about 7 years ago | (#21097839)

There's a subtle implication there that uploading torrents is automatically an illegitimate purpose. However, many Linux distributions are available that way, as one example of a legitimate purpose for uploading a torrent. Torrent != piracy.

-Mike

Ummmm... to run a little web server. (2, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | about 7 years ago | (#21097765)

I could definitely use a little web server for my work - sending files to clients, etc. 20Mbit would do the job nicely.

At the moment I have to upload files to a third party server with my slow upload then send them a link. With my own connection they could get the files directly from me, no "wait while I upload it..." delay.

Re:Ummmm... to run a little web server. (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 7 years ago | (#21097795)

Verizon blocks port 80, so no web server from you (unless you want to say, go to blah.blah.com:801)

Re:No love for Socal? (2, Interesting)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 7 years ago | (#21097281)

I guess with all the problems with charter, at least they don't do any of that. I max out my connection (upstream at least) nearly 24/7 all month (Google says that's about 148GB) and have never been charged more or gotten so much as a warning. If I ever did get a connection with a company that limits it, I'd be sure to find out exactly how much I can safely use and get as close to that as possible every month.

Re:No love for Socal? (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about 7 years ago | (#21097287)

To my knowledge Verizon Online (not Mobile) has never shut off someone due to service overuse.

Re:No love for Socal? (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 7 years ago | (#21097711)

To my knowledge, Mel Gibson has never fellated a baboon, but I'm not clear on how espousing my ignorance contributes anything to thread. Perhaps you could explain that to me.

Re:No love for Socal? (1, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 7 years ago | (#21097805)

To my knowledge, Mel Gibson has never fellated a baboon, but I'm not clear on how espousing my ignorance contributes anything to thread.

Well, I know for a fact that he has, so any point that you were trying to make is nullified.

Re:No love for Socal? (3, Informative)

Port1080 (515567) | about 7 years ago | (#21097757)

I had FiOS for a few months (granted, it was their 5mb/2mb package) and ran BT more or less 24/7 and never ran into any problems. Verizon has a whole host of other issues (their billing department, especially, is a joke), but as far as using your bandwidth goes they really don't seem to care if you max it out. They also don't make any serious attempt to block P2P, although they do block some of the common web services ports (i.e. you can't run an http server on port 80, ftp server on 21, etc).

Re:No love for Socal? (3, Funny)

speaker of the truth (1112181) | about 7 years ago | (#21097269)

With 20/20 I could actually keep my BT ratios positive. I might need to buy some more HDDs though...
How many Linux ISOs do you download that you can't get your ratio back into the positive in a relatively small amount of time? Also why aren't you burning the ISOs onto DVD or CD? Surely it wouldn't be that expensive?

Re:No love for Socal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21098007)

Well, my ratios are always positive. What do you have to do to make them negative? Download -10 MB, but upload 0 MB? How do I do that? Go back in time?

Yeah but what's the service level? (4, Insightful)

cerberusss (660701) | about 7 years ago | (#21097209)

It's a very nice speed, especially it being symmetrical, but the question is: is this still consumer-grade stuff? Is it best-effort quality, i.e. may drop out any time? No redundancy whatsoever?

Or can we expect some guarantee concerning the uptime of the line? Looking at the price it's probably a best-effort thing so that makes it useless to host servers on such a line.

Re:Yeah but what's the service level? (4, Insightful)

flynns (639641) | about 7 years ago | (#21097373)

I, uh. I really don't care, not for 20MBit up AND down for what it costs to have 12MBit down / 1Mbit up.

Re:Yeah but what's the service level? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 7 years ago | (#21097731)

You'll care when they shitcan you for using more than 12Mb/1Mb.

Re:Yeah but what's the service level? (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 7 years ago | (#21097771)

I think his point is that without a service level guarantee, there's a good chance you'll frequently see your "20M up" perform worse than your cable modem's 512k because Verizon oversold their backbone connectivity.

If Comcast thinks it has to resort to connection reset shenaningans for users making full use of their 512k up (might be higher for Comcrap - I think OptimumOffline is 1.5M up), how much of that 20M up do you think Verizon will let you use?

Re:Yeah but what's the service level? (1)

Smidge204 (605297) | about 7 years ago | (#21097945)

Indeed, this was my first question.

My OptOnline upstream got capped at a blazing 17 KB/sec for an entire year when I let sometyhing upload overnight at ~230KB/sec (The full 2.0 mbps offered). I don't know how long that ran, but the next morning an a full year afterwards I couldn't upload anything faster than 17KB/sec... and trying to do so starved other apps to the point where they would time out. I've been careful to manually cap my upload speeds at 80 KB/sec to keep far away from that invisible line and still have room for other stuff.

20M upstream is really, really tempting, but I'll sit back and keep an eye out for complaints. To date I have yet to hear of any FiOS troubles, though. I was already considering getting FiOS (the only thing preventing me was the cutting of the copper stories) and this makes it so tempting it hurts!
=Smidge=

Re:Yeah but what's the service level? (1)

MSZ (26307) | about 7 years ago | (#21097449)

And, are those extra RST packets free?

I bet it'll be 20/20 to the head-end/access router/whatever it's called, then one not-so-big uplink. Few users downloading stuff will saturate it, and then the fun will start.

Coming soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097239)

Anyone know if Verizon lists what states/cities they're planning on providing fios to in the future? I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it was ever available in my area. Knowing in advance would be great and allow me to mark a big red circle on the day I can get rid of Comcast, haha

Re:Coming soon... (1)

SScorpio (595836) | about 7 years ago | (#21097801)

Unfortunately no, they generally don't release roll out schedules. This supposedly prevents the competition from planning around their plans. This does screw the consumer thought since we're stuck in limbo dreaming of the fast cheap web access.

Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of country (3, Interesting)

linuxguy (98493) | about 7 years ago | (#21097259)


I am a Verizon FIOS customer of their 5/5 service in Portland,Oregon and pay $209/month for it. I wouldn't mind being able to get the 20/20 service in my area. When is Verizon going to show us some love? Verizon reps if you are reading this, the FIOS customer base in the rest of the country is really feeling unloved right now.

The NY/NJ/CT customers already had the higher 10/10 service available and you went and upped them to 20/20. While the rest of the country is stuck with pokey (relatively speaking) 5/5.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (5, Informative)

tigerd (890439) | about 7 years ago | (#21097305)

damn you guys in the states have it hard. My connection was just upgraded from 8/1 to 20/2 for free. 50 dollars per month. Welcome to Denmark :) And its even cheaper in Sweden.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097465)

In my area where FIOS is available the local cable company offers 10/1 service for $50 USD/month. It's not 20/20 but for apartment dwellers who can't convince their landlord to allow FIOS installation it's not a bad deal. I'm sure it would still be 3/256k were it not for FIOS competition forcing speeds up.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (2, Informative)

empaler (130732) | about 7 years ago | (#21097547)

Sounds like Cybercity just upgraded in your area (they are, AFAIK, the only ones doing the free upgrades, yes?)

My connection costs... just shy of 500 dkk/month for 20/20. That's around 100$. Granted, I opted for 10/10 at half that price, because I honestly don't need 20/20 - and that's even though my boss is paying my ISP fees (and he would gladly up it if I asked him)

(Før du spørger: Det er gennem min boligforening :) - men ikke lige så rart som min kammerats 60/20 til 150kr/md)

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (1)

tigerd (890439) | about 7 years ago | (#21097713)

Perspektiv Bredband - best price on the open market, I think :)

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (1)

hatchet (528688) | about 7 years ago | (#21097655)

Damn you guys in denmark have it hard:> In slovenia (limited locations currently) you can get 50/50Mbit optics (FTTH) for 50eur/month. Similar VDSL speeds (almost full coverage) availbale for 70eur/month.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (1)

stinerman (812158) | about 7 years ago | (#21097983)

You gotta remember that with the exchange rate $209 is about 50 Euros.

I kid, I kid (at least for now I do).

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097357)

Dude, you're getting ripped off.

Verizon FiOS Packages and Prices [verizon.com]

30/5 for $179.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (1)

Technician (215283) | about 7 years ago | (#21097363)

What's the real price?

The gripe I have with Comcast is the price advertised is the price if you subscribe to the triple play package. Internet is 33 bucks a month provided they are also your subscription TV and VOIP provider aslo at 33 bucks a month each.

Anybody have a clue how much it is for Just the Broadband minus the telephone and Subscription TV?

With Comcast, Broadband Internet service is over $60 a month. 33 bucks sounds like a good deal until you find it subsidised by the telephone bill and basic cable.

I don't do subscription TV. A single item without the other 2 is over 50% of the price for all three combined. Maybe they figured I wouldn't be surfing while watching TV or something saving them broadband. Having the computer surf passing out MP3's while you watch TV is probably why they blocked torrents. The computer can work 24/7 keeping the pipe full while you can't.

I think the real reason to have the triple play tied to the cost of Internet service is to have leverage against Dish Network. The phone company resented the bundling of the landline phone customers and fought back with the same triple play plan and better Internet. The bundled service price wars are in full swing which sucks if you don't want a package. This bundeling hurts companies like Vonage and Packet8 who don't have packages. One of the VOIP providers recently folded. http://www.sunrocket.com/ [sunrocket.com]

I hope Qwest starts rolling out fiber soon. The price for just Internet on cable is kinda expensive. Over the air HDTV is less compressed than on cable.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (1)

the_greywolf (311406) | about 7 years ago | (#21097431)

Anybody have a clue how much it is for Just the Broadband minus the telephone and Subscription TV?

I pay $67/mo (including modem rental) for internet-only "high-speed" cable in Whatcom County, Washington. I get 10Mb/sec down and 900Mb/sec up.

I'd gladly pay $2 less for FiOS. :)

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (4, Insightful)

Technician (215283) | about 7 years ago | (#21097527)

I pay $67/mo (including modem rental) for internet-only "high-speed" cable in Whatcom County, Washington. I get 10Mb/sec down and 900Mb/sec up.

I'd gladly pay $2 less for FiOS. :)


That's roughly what I pay for Comcast Internet at 3 meg down and 250K up. As a bonus, they protect you from Media Sentry and RIAA lawsuits by preventing them from downloading anything from you as evidence. Unfortunately, nobody else can download from you either. Your torrent uploads are mostly limited to 0.0K for max transfer sizes of about 0.1 Meg. I guess it's hard to be sued if you don't upload and provide evidence of sharing. I got Gutsy on a torrent and my DL was over 600 meg of data. My upload to support others was 0.1 meg.

I'll be glad when serious competition shows up here.

Re:Verizon FIOS customers in other parts of countr (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | about 7 years ago | (#21097543)

Over $200? As in around £100? For Internet access?

Okay, so I'm only on "up to 2MB" ADSL, but we pay £15 per month. We could get up to 8MB if we wanted to pay £25-£30. Okay, so it's not synchronous, which will up the price, but three times as much as an up to 8MB connection? I'm glad I have low bandwidth requirements and am in the UK!

~£30 for 20/20 wouldn't be too bad if I felt I needed the bandwidth, though :)

Sigh... (4, Interesting)

Cyno01 (573917) | about 7 years ago | (#21097333)

Just paid my monthly $170 yesterday for 3/1.5meg internet, an HD DVR, 16 HD channels and digital cable with everything but showtime. Its expensive because i live in the boonies sort of, but its also worth it because theres nothing to do out here.

Re:Sigh... (4, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | about 7 years ago | (#21097385)

"Its expensive because i live in the boonies sort of, but its also worth it because theres nothing to do out here."

Shit, man - print tickets, throw up some chainlink, projector that stuf on the side of the barn, put on a t-shirt that says "No Head - No Backstage" and go nuts...

Re:Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097589)

You really should consider adding Showtime to the mix. They're one of the only premium channels that actually produces content worth watching.

Hitting comcast like a clawhammer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097337)

This is what I'm talking about... COMCAST needs to die now...

Do you hear that Charter? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097347)

Someone is finally coming to take your lunch. You have to suck pretty bad to make Verizon look like the good guy.

I get 20-24,000kbps for $59AU a month... (1)

Travy.b (815549) | about 7 years ago | (#21097403)


Not meaning to troll, but with the plan I'm on I frequently receive speeds of 1.1-1.6 Megabytes per second while grabbing a torrent. The downside?? I only get 40 gig a month, once I hit that I am capped to a rediculous 64Kbps :O

I can't believe US consumers have been throttled for so long given I've had this connection for about 18 months now - sure it has a cap, but I rarely reach it anyway.

Re:I get 20-24,000kbps for $59AU a month... (1)

barry_the_bogan (976779) | about 7 years ago | (#21097669)

and here in Hong Kong I get 1000Mb/s both ways with no download limits for the princely sum of HK$240 (~US$30). Only hitch is that's only for HK traffic, international traffic crawls along at 20Mb/s :(

I live in Sunnyvale, the heart of Silicon Valley (2, Interesting)

MichaelCrawford (610140) | about 7 years ago | (#21097453)

You'd think I could get some kind of fiber service, but no, and when I googled for it I found this huge long thread on Usenet that was all about how Silicon Valley doesn't have good Internet because the phone company won't invest in upgrading their infrastructure.

We have Comcast cable, but I didn't opt for a cable modem because I found Comcast in a list of ISPs that block BitTorrent [azureuswiki.com] .

Not that I was looking for warez: no, I operate a legal BitTorrent tracker and dedicated seed to offer downloads of my own music (see sig). I need free access to BitTorrent just to monitor them, as sometimes the BitTorrent seed software (btdownloadmany.py) falls over.

Just my luck that I live beyond the range for DSL. After a lot of research I came across Stephouse [stephouse.com] , which offers something called "ISDL", or DSL over ISDN, which can go somewhat farther than regular DSL.

It works, but I pay $99 a month for 144kbps. At least I'm able to monitor my torrents, but I'm not able to watch videos on Youtube.

I'm very happy with Stephouse as a provider though, they have a remarkably permissive TOS, and their support people have been great.

What's in a name? (3, Interesting)

doyoulikeworms (1094003) | about 7 years ago | (#21097521)

I really wonder if Verizon could offer, say, 25/25 for the same price, but chose 20/20 because it's a "better" name.

I mean, what are the chances that the cost effectiveness sweet spot just so happens to be 20mbps up and 20mbps down?

Re:What's in a name? (1)

xbrain (1178815) | about 7 years ago | (#21097985)

You guys are lucky. In here, Malaysia :- the max speed that can goes are 10mbps and it using the Metro-e system. The normal ADSL is 1Mb down and 128Kb up . So headache with the monopoly of the Telekom company here.

I'd still go with cable though (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097573)

As Verizon can and will cut your service for any reason they deem fit, change the price of service, and control your home network. you're forced to use their router and you have to pay for each computer connected to the internet.

I'll take a cable connection that gives me slightly more leeway in the meantime.

Re:I'd still go with cable though (1)

Port1080 (515567) | about 7 years ago | (#21097789)

you're forced to use their router and you have to pay for each computer connected to the internet.

Umm, no. I've had Verizon DSL and FiOS, with multiple computers connected in both cases, and never had to pay anything. They do require you to use their modem for FiOS and for DSL (and the modem generally has router capabilities, but you can easily hook your own router up to the modem and disable its router provisions. As far as cutting service and changing prices - sure they can do that, but so can cable companies. In my experience, they do it no more often than cable co.s, and they're far less likely than cable co.s to try to filter your service (like Comcast is doing with bittorrent).

Re:I'd still go with cable though (1)

jaymzter (452402) | about 7 years ago | (#21097869)

The one thing holding me off FIOS is I heard they block inbound connections. Is this true? If I can't SSH into my box from the road when traveling then I'd rather not use the service.

Set your own ratio? (2, Interesting)

Brit_in_the_USA (936704) | about 7 years ago | (#21097603)

I would certainly be nice for those of us stuck with cable to be able to adjust or choose our own upload / download ratio. Perhaps with a simple web interface on the cable company support site, or even dynamically do it for us.

20Mb per sec (1)

dgun (1056422) | about 7 years ago | (#21097619)

So in about 6 or 7 minutes I can fill up that 1 GB of storage? Or do I add wrong?

Re:20Mb per sec (1)

baker_tony (621742) | about 7 years ago | (#21097701)

You're confusing b with B. bits and Bytes.

Re:20Mb per sec (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 7 years ago | (#21097837)

No, I think he's got it right. I have a 3Mbps connection and I can pull in a GB in under an hour.

Re:20Mb per sec (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 7 years ago | (#21097807)

Megabits, not megabytes.

Sort of recall that it took 30 minutes or so to transfer a CD over a 10BaseT (10 Mb) network back in college. So MAYBE 20-25 minutes for a gig if you could saturate your connection, which you probably won't be able to do because of bandwidth overselling.

Benchmark data (5, Informative)

pmontra (738736) | about 7 years ago | (#21097639)

I'd like to share my experience with a similar service I've been using since year 2000 in Italy. I have a symmetrical 10 Mbits fiber optic connection from Fastweb http://www.fastweb.it/ [fastweb.it] . Their offers that can compare to the Verizon one range in the 50-60 Euros per month, so Verizon is definitely cheaper.
The question somebody asked, directly or unspoken, in this forum is: do you really get all that speed? In my case the answer is yes. I FTP at 1000 kB/s (kilobytes) with the other guys in the Fastweb network and it's common to download files at more than 400 kB/s from US servers. CDNs usually bring that figure in the 700-900 kB/s range. That bandwidth isn't guaranteed by the contract but it never shrunk noticeably in these eight years, despite the fact that the customer base grew 100 times or more. On the other side, none of the 10 or 20 Mb/s ADSL connections I saw here in Italy (with other ISPs) were faster than one tenth of their nominal bandwidth, when downloading files from the same services I use.
So, if you trust your provider to invest in its interconnection with the Internet at large, those 65$ can be worth the expense. If you think that it will somewhat cap your bandwidth, stay with what you have. In my case I got a six-months-for-free offer and I jumped in at the very beginning of the offering :-) but otherwise I'd have waited some month and read what the other customers said.
Finally, do you really need all that speed? My answer is yes: you find a way to put it at use once you got it and you don't want to go back.

Why advertise this to me? (-1, Redundant)

Colin Smith (2679) | about 7 years ago | (#21097649)

I don't live in the US so why has this advert been posted on the front page of an international web site? It should have been posted to Google Ads where it would have to be paid for.
 

Re:Why advertise this to me? (1)

urcreepyneighbor (1171755) | about 7 years ago | (#21097857)

If it weren't for Al Gore - an AMERICAN, you wouldn't be using our tubes!

Re:Why advertise this to me? (1)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | about 7 years ago | (#21097873)

I don't live in the US so why has this advert been posted on the front page of an international web site? It should have been posted to Google Ads where it would have to be paid for.


So you're saying that Slashdot can only post stories about things that impact everyone at once? Well, we can skip copyright law changes in France or Canada. We can skip censorship in China. We don't have to know what's going on Sweden when police paid for by non-Swede cartels raid colocation facilities. We can skip news stories about any IT cybercrimes that are homed in Russia.

I don't know where you're from, but in my world, hearing about things like this offering is useful. While I'm NOT in the US, some day (soon?) this may be offered here. Now that I've heard about it, I can make informed inquiries to my ISPs, who will register my interest towards their future buildout plans.

Re:Why advertise this to me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097971)

Why don't you start "SmugPassiveAggressiveEuroDot", then?

That way you won't have to see any US stuff ever again.

Re:Why advertise this to me? (1)

Yetihehe (971185) | about 7 years ago | (#21097987)

If you don't live in US why are you here? It's most US-centric news here.

Sounds enticing but... (1)

ziny (971499) | about 7 years ago | (#21097657)

Living in NY this sounds like a great upgrade to my current FIOS service but somehow I wish I was living back in my old hometown of Fairfield, Iowa. The local ISP, LISCO, is rolling out FTTP that features 100/100 Mbps as standard service in a package that also includes phone service with 1500 minutes of long distance for $60/month! Is this possibly the best deal in the country? Makes me feel like I'm getting taken for a ride by Verizon. http://www.liscofiber.com/pricesresidential.htm [liscofiber.com]

Re:Sounds enticing but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097799)

You can get internet service like that in fucking IOWA? I can't get anything faster than COMCRAP in the fourth largest city in the USA! My god, what the fuck is wrong with this picture?

Cable vs FiOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097687)

I couldn't have been happier when FiOS was first implemented in my area. The day it came out, I scheduled for an appointment and cancelled my HORRIBLE Time Warner Cable internet service.
What really makes me laugh is all the commercials from Cablevision and TWC about their 'Advanced Fiber Networks'. All you get from them (in NYC, residential plans) is *maybe* 5-8Mbit down and 384Kbit up. With FiOS I get 20Mbit down, 5Mbit up and I pay the same - $44.95/month.

Still, the best part of it all is that the cable companies in this city are finally met with some competition - and how do they respond? By stepping up a campaign of misleading television and radio advertisements; NOT through improvement of service.

Verizon? (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 7 years ago | (#21097693)

Cable companies aren't in a position to match this capability.

I doubt Verizon really is either, but it sure sounds good.

Re:Verizon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 years ago | (#21097875)

I'm Milan we have had 10/10 MBps since 2000...

Off-site... (2, Interesting)

evilviper (135110) | about 7 years ago | (#21097709)

This is extremely impressive, and may well be a game-changer...

When Verizon finally rolls-out FIOS here (they've said it's coming "soon" for a couple years), I'll probably sign-up for TWO connections... One for my home, and the other for a family member (within driving distance) or perhaps a friend. In exchange for free ultra-high-speed internet access, all they have to do is leave my back-up server running. rsync will finish pretty damn fast over a 20Mbps connection...

This really opens the possibility of a lot of online file-hosting services going out of business... It's no longer special that they have high-speed upstream, so why pay so much for an over-priced, terribly-limited, managed file hosting service?

Now if somebody could just convince Verizon to enable multicast on all their routers...

I Hope They Get To Oklahoma City Soon (1)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | about 7 years ago | (#21097717)

Paying $59 for 12mb download and 2mb up is highway robbery compared to this... Up yours Cox Communications.

If this is indeed true... (2, Interesting)

jskline (301574) | about 7 years ago | (#21097719)

Then you can expect the bot-herders will be swarming up heavily to find machines to own that are on these networks. You can do a much better job of taking down Yahoo and I forget who else is on the shit-list of some of these idiots with this kind of uplink speed! It's like having your bots all co-located at an ISP on a DS3 or bonded T1's ready to do your bidding...

Lower speed = lower cost? (1)

s31523 (926314) | about 7 years ago | (#21097733)

Don't get me wrong, 20Mbps up and down rocks, but what if I am content with a meager 5Mbps up/down? I would love to get that for, say, $35 per month... I suppose this just isn't worth it from Verizon's point of view, but I think having this as an option would attract many more people, and steal more cable broadband customers. I bet many people have the same thought process as I do, that is, 20Mbps is nice, but I am fine with 3Mbps which costs me $35 per month (if thats true). Point being many people wouldn't justify the extra $30 per month to go from 3-5Mbps to 20Mbps...

FIOS at any speed sounds good, but... (1)

sjonke (457707) | about 7 years ago | (#21097735)

... it isn't available anywhere, or hardly anywhere. Perhaps they should concentrate on expanding coverage rather than upping the speeds available to a very select few?

64th (-1, Offtopic)

phiber9 (943697) | about 7 years ago | (#21097791)

64th poster. haha

20 Mbits is fine, but the backbone needs updating (3, Informative)

twfry (266215) | about 7 years ago | (#21097831)

I very recently moved to Seoul and finally setup the internet yesterday. First thing I did was to test the speeds and here are the results.

Speed test in Korea: 94.7Mb down - 11.4Mb up
Speed test to Japan: 11.4Mb down - 7.8Mb up
Speed test to USA: 2.7Mb down - 0.9Mb up

My DSL in the US is working at ~630Kb up (have ATT which promises between 512Kb - 764Kb up). So even if I upgraded the service, my slingbox would barely perform better.....

20/20 how far? (2, Insightful)

Organic Brain Damage (863655) | about 7 years ago | (#21097855)

Think we could get 20/20 all the way to the backbone for $65? That'd be nice, but somehow I'm guessing it will hit a bottleneck.

Verizon, but wow (1)

angelwalkwithme (984267) | about 7 years ago | (#21097867)

I just want to say that I'm very excited for this service to come out. In light of the Comcast p2p throttling news (which is really not that much of anything new), I think this is great news for techies. I love my 15/5 FIOS service from Verizon because it's been consistently fast and reliable and the 20/20 is going to be one more victory for technophiles. My only paranoid concern has nothing much to do with this service, but it concerns me that there is no real competition against Verizon at the moment and I can see them steamrolling all of the other ISPs with their FIOS products and then using their clout to start doing sketchy things like Comcast is doing.

no servers, period (2, Informative)

m2943 (1140797) | about 7 years ago | (#21097899)

http://www.verizon.net/policies/popups/tos_popup.asp [verizon.net]

3.7.5 You may not use the Broadband Service to host any type of server whether personal or commercial in nature.

Competition is Great (3, Interesting)

Yeef (978352) | about 7 years ago | (#21097967)

I've been using Optimum Online for about five years now and it's always been a pretty bad service up until recently. My connection would drop for fix or six hours at a time with no explanation a few nights a week. I'd call the support line and they'd fix something on their end and get it working again, but then it'd just drop a few hours later. It got to the point where it wasn't worth all the time spent on hold calling them every time it happened so I just began to work around it. On top of that my upload speeds were capped at about 17 kB/s which was a lot less than other people with the same plan as me were getting. Unfortunately, it was the only broadband service available to me so it was either learn to deal with the annoyances or switch back to dial-up.

Then about two years ago Verizon started rolling out their fios plans around here. A couple of my friends got it and loved it. It was a lot faster than cable and about 10 dollars cheaper to boot (or the same price for an even FASTER plan). So of course, I wanted to switch myself. So I looked at their site for details and started to get a little worried when I saw that they needed to install fiber in the ground. I knew it'd be a problem because I live in an apartment building, but their site claimed my address was eligible, so I figure it can't hurt to schedule an install. Of course the day the installer comes he tells me that I'm not eligible which was no big surprise.

But something great happened. I don't know if it was a coincidence or if Optimum had somehow found out that I tried to switch, but a few days later I noticed a huge increase in my speeds. Ever since then I've been getting down speeds in the range of 12~13 MBps or so and up speeds at about 2~3 MBps. My connection very rarely ever drops and when it does it's only for a few seconds.

If that's the effect that a single competitor has I can't help but wonder what sort of service we'd be seeing if we all had half a dozen or more broadband choices.
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