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The Death of the Greenphone

CowboyNeal posted more than 6 years ago | from the we-hardly-knew-ye dept.

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phobos13013 writes "Trolltech announced this week that they will discontinue development on their Greenphone platform. The Greenphone was advertised to be the first phone with a user-modifiable environment. Trolltech CTO Benoit Schilling stated that they are not really a hardware company and so will focus their efforts on FIC's Neo 1973, now available. However, Schilling hinted at a future Wi-Fi-enabled endeavor (possibly a VOIP phone)."

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121 comments

netcraft confirms it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123127)

My first contact with fisting was, of course, in San Francisco.
I was out on the coast for a round of job interviews in the Bar
area. My fluffy-sweater acquaintances in Cincinnati had scoped out
the territory the previous summer and were full of dire warnings
about South of Market in general and The Hothouse in particular,
so of course that was the first place I headed. Now, fisting
wasn't exactly a deep, dark mystery to me...somewhere along the
line I had acquired the book from the movie classic "Erotic Hands"
and I'd been jerking off to that for quite a while. You might say
I was into the concept if not the reality.

Well, The Hothouse was everything I had been warned it was...humpy
dudes wandering around in body harnesses leading their slaves on
leashes, the whole trip. I nearly came when I walked into the
shower room hunkered down on a plastic hose while he sucked his
buddy's oversize cock. I checked out the sling rooms, but I spent
most of the night doing conventional if rougher-than-usual sex.

I fell asleep with my door cracked. The next morning I woke up
with this warm, wet feeling on my arm. I looked up and there was
this hairy, muscular little dude impaled on my arm to the elbow!
Holy shit! He looked down at me and grinned "Good morning" "Good
morning yourself fucker." " Can you dig it!" "For sure, but I've
never done it before" Well, that turned his motor on, and soon
became oblivious that he wasn't gonna dismount my arm until he had
showed me all the right moves. We ended up with me punch-fucking
him doggy--style with a cheering audience of six or seven
leathermen. Well, my arm was busy most of the morning, but my
asshole stayed virgin.

I sorta filed the experience away and chewed on it until my next
trip to the coast. I only knew one dude in Cincinnati that was
into handball, and we were friends, not fuck-buddies, so I didn't
get a chance to practice again until another job interview took me
to San Diego. The job panned out. and I moved to California.

Now, you have to understand where I was coming from. Cincinnati
is one of the most tight-assed Republican cities in the Midwest.
There was one gay bar and no baths. If you wanted steam you had
to drive to Cleveland, Toledo or Chicago. So the first couple of
years in San Diego I was like a kid in a candy shop...baths, bars,
and Balboa Park!

I fisted if I was asked, and if I was in a "top" mood I got off on
it to a certain extent, but something was missing. What that
"something" was I found out one night at the old Fourth Avenue
Baths in Hillcrest. I was cruising the "open" rooms and came
across this hot little blond surfer-type. We started getting it
on, and our hands both started to go for the ass about the same
time, so he called a halt to go fetch the Crisco and poppers. Now,
fisting wasn't particularly on my mind...I figured we'd trade fucks
and that would be that. How was I to know that gay surfers in San
Diego get into handball?

Well. pretty soon we were pretty busy finger-fucking each other
while we sixty-nined. Then he called a halt and sat up and looked
at me. "Wanna go further?" "As in what?" "Fisting, man." "You
or me?" "Whatever," he muttered. "Well, I've never had it, but
I'm up for trying." Bingo! The idea of a virgin really pushed his
button, so pretty soon I'm on my back with my ass propped up on a
pillow and him sitting cross-legged below me.

"Your head's gonna get it done for you" he told me. "You gotta
want me inside you. It's just like takin' a big cock. It'll hurt
like hell goin' over the widest part of my knuckles, but then once
it's inside you're gonna lose your mind!" Well, we had smoked a
couple of joints and I was pretty mellowed out and the dude wasn't
tryin' to hurry me. We rapped about all kinds of shit, but all the
time there was this gentle but insistent pressure at my asshole.
"How much you got in?" I'd ask him from time to time but he
wouldn't tell me. "Don't worry about it...just relax and enjoy."

I kept playin' with my cock and that made my ass tighten up, so he
pulled the laces from his boot and tied my hands behind my head so
I couldn't jack off. Now I don't usually do bondage with a
stranger, but we were really into each other's heads by now, and
I figured what the shit, my legs were still free to kick if he got
radical.

We kept on like this for about an hour...then he looked me in the
eye and said, "Pull your knees back to your tits." "is this it,
man? I'm not sure I'm ready." "You're ready...your fuckin' ass
is just beggin' for my hand. Cummon, pull 'em back." He got up
on his knees and started pushing my legs down with his chest until
his face was right over mine. "Common, man, take my fuckin' fist.
You can do it!" He shoved a popper under my nose and my ass caught
fire! One fiery bolt of pain and he was in! The fucker had his
goddamned fist up my butt. "Slow deep breaths, man...take slow,
deep breaths. Get used to it, then we'll play." Now I was leakin'
gum like a firehose by this point. I couldn't imagine it getting
any more intense/painful/better, but it did. He gave me a few
minutes to calm down, then he shoved the popper under my nose again
and started to make a fist inside me. "AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH! Take
it easy man!" "Just makin' the fist, dude. Now I'm gonna do a
little twistin'." "Well, he did a little twistin' and I did a lot
of twistin' and yellin', but he just kept at it, slow and steady.
I drifted into a semi-trance impaled on this hot little dude's
hand. Experienced bottoms say that there's a good deal of yoga and
meditation involved...now I understood what they meant.

He looked down at me and grinned. "REady for a little depth?"
"You're running this trip, man. You got me fuckin' tied up and
held down so I can't move anything but my eyelashes. Guess if you
wanna go for dept I'm gonna have to go along! "Fuckin'-A-right!
You just slide down on my arm fucker. We're gonna go for the
elbow!" Now, that might sound a little bit radical for the first
time, but once he'd gotten in past the knuckles it was a matter of
degree. Actually, his outstretched hand and forearm was easier to
take than the clenched rotating fist. "Can you sit up?" he asked
me after awhile. "If you help me" "I want you to see, man.
You've got my fuckin' arm up to the elbow!" I didn't believe him,
but he pulled me up until I was bent like a pretzel and I could see
my red, tautly-stretched asshole around the beginning of his
muscular bicep. "I gotta cum, man," I moaned. "I gotta cum so
fuckin' gad!" "Oh, yeah, shoot your fuckin' load! Cummon,
motherfucker, shoot it!!" He was givin' me long, slow strokes with
his arm...all the was out to the wrist and then all the way back
to the elbow! He grabbed my cock and it was all over. I must have
shot for five minutes! The first load landed on the wall over my
head. "YYYYEEEOOWWW! OK. OK, ease out, man,ease out! He slowly
withdrew his arm and we collapsed.

"Like it?" he grinned. "Like it! Jesus, I loved it! You have
great hands man." "You might be sore for a day or two." "That's
cool." "Wanna do me?" "As soon as I catch my breath." We
stretched out and dozed for awhile then I started to get itchy to
get into his ass. It only took him about half and hour...he was
experienced, but I have fairly big hands. He started to get a
little worried, though, when I started sneakin' a couple of extra
fingers up along side my hand. "Hey, uh, I don't think I can take
much more." "First time for everything, dude." I chuckled. "Yeah,
well, I guess, only go easy, man, OK?" "No problem...just relax
and enjoy." Well, about another fifteen minutes I was shakin'
hands with myself inside this dude's steaming hole, and it was his
turn to beg. "Oh Christ, let me cum, please! Jack me off, man.
I gotta cum!" Well, that presented a problem since both my hands
were busy, so I took his aching cock in my mouth. He arched his
back and his asshole tightened around my wrists until I thought
they were gonna break. He shot so hard I thought I was gonna
drown! "JJJJJEEEEESSSSSUUUUUSSS! Take it out...please take it
out!" I slowly pulled one hand after the other out of his
exhausted hole. We staggered to the showers and soaped each other
down, and then we crashed. We exchanged phone numbers and played
a couple of times after that, either at the baths or at the FFA
parties. I lost track of him, and the Fourth Avenue Baths closed
down, but I'll never forget him.

anal sex (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123145)

It's not going to do anything but make your dick stink.

This article is not a Troll (2)

Traxton1 (154182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123147)

TrollTech still throws me off and makes me think its fake, but the Greenphone did sound really neat.

Re:This article is not a Troll - But this user is (1)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123389)

Apparently.

Modded troll for disagreeing with a furry-toothed-geeks view of Wikipedia. Pah.

How many nails can a linux coffin hold ?? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21125055)

How many nails can a linux coffin hold ??

Ponder and contrast your answer ..

Extra credit question ::

How many nails are currently in the linux coffin ,, within ++127 // --128 ??

Not acceptable answers are :: how much do you got ,, as much as john wayne '' s colon ,, and as much as oprah '' s VaJayJay ..

Re:This article is not a Troll (5, Informative)

Misanthrope (49269) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123851)

Trolltech is the creator of the QT toolkit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(toolkit) [wikipedia.org]
Which is what KDE uses.

Bummer (1)

ZaMoose (24734) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123183)

I was pretty excited about this project after reading about it in Linux Journal a couple of months ago. Too bad that it won't see the light of day.

Maybe OpenMoko can fill the void left behind...

Re:Bummer (4, Interesting)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123347)

It's a bummer in several ways. First, we geeks don't get hard-ons for crappy hardware (as the poster below suggests). Sleek advanced hardware, totally open for us to explore while trying to change the world, however, gets my blood going. When the hackers cracked the iPhone and put some of the best software management tools I've seen in place, without even a damned header file... that was cool.

I own an NEO1973. I'm glad to support the project, and desperately hope that it will succeed. Here's something I read today from the OpenMoko mail list: "The Neo is, was, and will be, a product for geeks and therefore never was intended to be a mass market product. Geeks do not look at fancy glamour but for useful attributes." I have no idea who this guys is talking about. I'm about the biggest geek I've ever met (yeah, I know some of you are bigger :-) but what the hell?

The NEO1973 battery is tiny, screen too small, touch capabilities poor, integration level low, plastic instead of anodized aluminum, and worst of all... there's not the same kind of inspired software leadership. The community wants to build the world's best phone, but a guy like Linus is required to lead the effort. I think the OpenMoko guys have incredible vision, but not the complete vision, and the leader needed make it succeed is currently missing. Get the right guy involved, and they could change the world... crappy hardware and all.

Unfortunately, you're right (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123629)

OpenMoko and the 1973 will fail just as the Greenphone did. There is no leadership behind the project, no vision, just a bunch of well-intentioned geeks who want to make something cool. With no cohesive plan, though, the Neo1973 will never succeed.

iPhone is still "it" for those of us who want a powerful *NIX-based cellphone -- even if we have to fight Steve Jobs tooth and nail for it.

Re:Unfortunately, you're right (4, Insightful)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123903)

OpenMoko and the 1973 will fail just as the Greenphone did.

The Greenphone didn't fail, because it was never meant to be anything but a development platform to fill the void while there was nothing else good out there. Now that there are other open phones, its job is done. Aside from the sensationalized headline, this really isn't news at all.

Re:Unfortunately, you're right (0, Troll)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124671)

The iphone seems pretty weak to me, whether you're a "geek" or not. The only person other than a complete apple fanboy who I could see wanting it is an idiot (you seem to be one) who thinks that being able to say "it runs *nix" is in any way a measure of quality. By any other measure it's just an over-priced piece of crap with a shitty interface on a crappy network.

N come mod me troll or flamebait because you know I'm right, apple fanboy bitches.

iPhone the first UNIX phone? (3, Interesting)

rvw (755107) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125953)

iPhone is still "it" for those of us who want a powerful *NIX-based cellphone

I think you don't need to say *NIX anymore. OS X Leopard 10.5 is certified UNIX, and as the iPhone is based on OSX, isn't the iPhone the first UNIX phone?

even if we have to fight Steve Jobs tooth and nail for it.

I thought Apple is going to open up the platform for developers.

Re:iPhone the first UNIX phone? (1)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 6 years ago | (#21128359)

"I thought Apple is going to open up the platform for developers."

That's one thing. And I commend Apple for opening it up for 3rd party applications.

The remaining problem (worth fighting Steve Jobs himself) is that people want to use it on networks other than AT&T. I live in Brazil and, if I were to use an iPhone, I would first have to crack it. I don't like the idea. It's a GSM phone after all - people should be able to use it with whatever SIM card they want.

Re:iPhone the first UNIX phone? (1)

dwater (72834) | more than 6 years ago | (#21128689)

> I thought Apple is going to open up the platform for developers.

Well, Steve said that, but he previously said he wouldn't. Why should we believe him now?

I say just wait and see, then believe it when it happens.

Re:Unfortunately, you're right (4, Insightful)

Simon Brooke (45012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125969)

OpenMoko and the 1973 will fail just as the Greenphone did. There is no leadership behind the project, no vision, just a bunch of well-intentioned geeks who want to make something cool. With no cohesive plan, though, the Neo1973 will never succeed.
  1. If OpenMoko doesn't succeed, it will be largely because of posts like the above. Enough negative sentiment will doom any project, however cool.
  2. OpenMoko isn't a product, it's a platform. Sure, the Neo1973 [openmoko.com] isn't the all-time ultimate mobile phone - it's a development platform. That's why in addition to the pre-built phone you get a development board you can house in your own enclosure with your own battery, screen, and other hardware bits. If you don't like Neo1973, build your own phone round the platform.
  3. When I first started using Linux in 1993, doomsayers were saying it was obsolete [oreilly.com] and would never fly. Guess what? They were wrong.

I'm not saying OpenMoko is the world's ultimate phone project. Of course it isn't. But it's a good, big start, and it deserves support. If you don't support it, don't complain if, in ten years time, all you can get are closed, proprietary phones [apple.com] you can't even load your own software on.

You know, I'm getting old. I belong to a generation which, when someone gave us cool hardware, we grabbed and built cool software on top of it. Now, if it isn't all pretty and polished right out of the box, it gets condemned as rubbish. Guess what? Linus Torvalds was just a college kid when he wrote the first kernel. His professors didn't even rate him as very good. Certainly no-one thought he had leadership potential. And as for a cohesive plan, his cohesive plan was to build a scheduler which could schedule two tasks.

Stuff happens. It will surprise you. OpenMoko may, indeed, not be a great success. But if it's a bit of a success, other people will be able to come along and build on it - it is open source [opensource.org] . In fact, that's already happening - that's what this story is about. The GreenPhone is not 'dead', it has mutated. Instead of building their own hardware platform, the Trolls [troll.no] are developing the 'green suite' on the OpenMoko platform. [zdnet.co.uk] So you can still have your greenphone - the only thing is, it will be black and silver, or white and orange [openmoko.com] .

Re:Unfortunately, you're right (2, Interesting)

simong (32944) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126325)

The OpenMoko software is more important than the hardware. The Neo1973 is open hardware designed to a specification, but won't ever be a successful commercial product because no phone company is going to subsidise it. There is a bullet to be bitten, that there are few smartphone platforms that are open enough to match the aspirations of OpenMoko, but I can see it being ported to other smartphone chipsets such as those used by HTC or indeed non-dedicated chipsets like the OpenSparc S1 [sunsource.net] . It wouldn't surprise me at all if was running on an iPhone in the next year either. That's where the software's strength will lie: while phones are not PCs, and are probably harder to develop drivers for (one of the reasons, I believe, why the Nokia N8x0 doesn't have a phone module), there will be a group of people who want to get it out there and onto as many phones as they can.

Re:Unfortunately, you're right (1)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126803)

You've made some good points... I certainly intend to support the project, and I've got the hardware and a strong desire to code for it. The NEO1973, and probably even it's successor (code named the GTA-2), probably will never sell in volume, because we geeks willing to pay more for a device that is relatively poor hardware for the money are few and far between.

But, as a poster above points out, OpenMoko is the important part here, not the NEO1973. We can forget about poor hardware if the software platform ever takes off. Linus wasn't a good leader for Linux originally, I suppose... he kind of grew into the role. We might have similar leaders for OpenMoko, but there are some real differences. The development plan is not yet published, and may even be a company secret. For example, the touch screen driver is written for a pen, and fingers basically don't work. Who's updating the driver? I can't find out. Is there a photo app in the works, or should we write one? I've applied to write two projects (an e-book reader and a port of PocketSphinx for voice control). No response on either. I get a strong feeling that any OpenMoko requests are first translated into Chinese, and then approved or not by Taiwan corporate types. Why haven't I heard "no"? I suspect culture. Never say "no". IMO, the situation is bad enough almost to warrant forking the code, but I don't have time to drive it. I'd follow anyone who does.

Re:Unfortunately, you're right (1)

CoreDump01 (558675) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130515)

OpenMoko and the 1973 will fail just as the Greenphone did. There is no leadership behind the project, no vision, just a bunch of well-intentioned geeks who want to make something cool. With no cohesive plan, though, the Neo1973 will never succeed.

iPhone is still "it" for those of us who want a powerful *NIX-based cellphone -- even if we have to fight Steve Jobs tooth and nail for it.

FIC (a multi-billion-dollar Asian company) is behind OpenMoko and the Neo1973. I know some of the OpenMoko employees via IRC (and even from before they joined OM) and I know they do have indeed a "Vision", and a mighty cool one at that.

Mark my words: The Neo1973 is not the last gadget we will see from the OpenMoko folks, they have mid- to long-term strategies. Also they are set to build a truly open phone with OSS drivers for every component (excluding the GSM modem of course). The next revision of the Neo1973 (codename GTA02) will seriously kick ass with hardware accelerated video, generous on-board storage, accelerators (think wii remote) and - finally - WIFI.

While the IPhone has the coolness factor, the Neo1973 in its current form is already way more open (customizable kernel, rootfs and even bootloader), way more hackable (debug board / console and JTAG access is available and documented, people are already compiling their own distributions for the phone (that is how QTOPIA made their images for Neo1973 in the first place btw)).

It would require a terrific effort to bring the IPhone even close to the Neo1973 in terms of hackability.

Re:Bummer (3, Insightful)

torpor (458) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126135)

I also have a neo1973, and am thoroughly enjoying the geek factor - just this week I got it an Apple wireless keyboard for it, set up and running, and I have to tell you all that there is nothing quite so fun as sitting somewhere, hacking code on my phone, using the phone itself. Python+neo1973+apple bt keyboard == the coolest godamn bit of hardware in the room, and I've got tons of stuff in here .. from BeBox to SGI to Access Music to .. well, lots of stuff.

And yes, there is hardware in front of me that had a *lot* of potential. The BeBox, for example. The BeBox and the NEO1973 have a fairly decent set of common traits; both started out as exciting hardware platforms from excited engineers who "thought of all the potential, but never implemented any of it" ..

The difference with the neo1973 and openmoko in general is that the BeBox lesson has been learned, and learned well .. OpenMoko will move onto whatever hardware it can support, and it will move rapidly. Its already being planned for a number of other devices in the near future - not just phones, but such things as synthesizers, musical gear, etc. In that capacity, it looks to fair pretty well .. all the tools are there in the base OS to give developers a real boot in the ass and make something nice for their end user.

But the thing to keep in mind in all of this is: the *hardware* *has* *to* *be* *there* *first*. OpenMoko is just a software platform. If it gains traction, watch as numerous other hardware vendors come along, take the risks, and reap all the rewards of not having to bootstrap a software environment for their users from scratch ..

Re:Bummer (1)

ealar dlanvuli (523604) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126665)

Astroturf or troll or karma whore? I can't decide.

Obviously these aren't your real thoughts.

Re:Bummer (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21127989)

The NEO 1973 is a first cut. Nokia, however, seems to be reaching in the same direction. IF
they have open drivers for the WiMax hardware and Sprint does the right things in securing
their G4 network they're building right now, we'll have EVERYTHING you're talking to in the
smartphone through the G4 capable version of the N810.

As for the comment about us "not looking at fancy glamour but for useful attributes," heh
I think he's missed the cluetrain there. I want BOTH, thank you very much. Nokia seems
to have figured that one out and if they manage to convince Sprint to allow the WiMax drivers
to have open source drivers on the N810 or whatever ends up being that smartphone on Sprint's
G4 network and Sprint does the right thing by doing proper securing so that you don't have
to lock down the phone to get their due, then we may still get what you're hoping for.

As for the NEO1973 being weak, I think that's more because you're dealing with engineering
prototypes than production items. I've not laid hands on any of them yet (no budget to
do more than the Nokia stuff I'm futzing with right at the moment...) but what you've said
strikes me as being akin to that sort of thing. I should know, I've dealt with QUITE a bit
of that sort of stuff when I was doing board support packages for a Linux Set-Top distribution
in days past. It still bothers me that someone over there in OpenMoko has it in their head
that we're all about function and nothing about flash. I'm less concerned about it, yes.
But if it's there, it's 100% or more better than without it if it doesn't get in the way
of ability.

Shouldn't be a surprise (4, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123207)

Really, look at the demographics. Who buys all those pink iPods? Teen girls. The kind of people that spend all day talking and texting on their phone. Who gets a hard on over linux? Introverted geeks. The kind of people that want pizza delivery robots so they can avoid all human contact.

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (5, Funny)

Derek Loev (1050412) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123353)

Who buys all those pink iPods?

idk my bff jill?

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (-1, Troll)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123677)

Die you motherfucking moronic damned abuser and rapist of the English language!

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21124179)

Not the most eloquent crafter of sentences yourself, are you?

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (3, Funny)

Trogre (513942) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124397)

Lets all just keep our sox on. U do lk 2 b angry alot. Y dont I c f I cn talk you down. k?

Peace out.

Ooh, I didnt like that popping sound. r u ok?

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (1)

ozphx (1061292) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125247)

In response to your question:

Yes, I may have 'dicked' your best friend Jill. Probably it didnt last forever, unless she was loose.

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (1)

MarkRose (820682) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125293)

idk my bff jill?

wtf omg me 2!!!!

Its a development platform not a consumer device (1)

Yaur (1069446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124689)

Developing for mobile is a pain generally... having a phone that is easy to develop for would be a good thing for both mobile developers and consumers.

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (1)

Instine (963303) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125851)

Only if they are samuri Pizza delivery Robots for Costa Nostra Pizza, who also bring terra bytes of code fresh from the hive mind, and... *explodes in a shower of geekstacy*

Re:Shouldn't be a surprise (2, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126447)

Really, look at the demographics. Who buys all those pink iPods? Teen girls. The kind of people that spend all day talking and texting on their phone. Who gets a hard on over linux? Introverted geeks. The kind of people that want pizza delivery robots so they can avoid all human contact.
Sooo, what you're saying is that by using pink delivery robots we could expand the home pizza market ?

Don't pull your leg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123263)

It might make your knee grow!

Odd (2, Insightful)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123277)

It would appear that they'e sold out of phones.

And yet they're quitting development?

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

They'll be back, I think, with something else. There's plenty of reasons for a corporate entity to want to provide customized phones to its employees, or to give them out as a promotion, or stuff like that.

It's too cool a gadget idea to throw away.

Re:Odd (0, Offtopic)

Derek Loev (1050412) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123431)

It would appear that they'e sold out...
And yet they're quitting development?
DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Yeah, Jim Bakker [wikipedia.org] said the same thing.

Re:Odd (1)

kcbanner (929309) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123437)

The business suits don't know what the world "cool" means in terms of their bottom line.

Re:Odd (2, Interesting)

phobos13013 (813040) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123525)

Dont worry, the SOLD OUT likely means the community that bought them all up will make sure the longevity of this phone persists similar to the persistence of the Zaurus users who still have pkg sites available for both Qtopia and X environments. Though, I guess it does depend on how many phones it takes to officially sell out (200 or 20,000!)

Regardless, yea, it may not be for the masses, there IS more than a significant market for this, and yes, i think the Neo is the next step for this. It just takes at least some kind of corporate-backing and a committed community!

Re:Odd (2, Informative)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125437)

It's sold out because it was very probably only made in a very small edition. It's intention from beginning to end was to be a development platform, not an actual product. With the Neo1973/OpenMoko, people opening up iPhones and similar stuff, Trolltech seems to regard the chain reaction they intended to start as either started or unstartable (my money's on the former). No reason to go on, let the actual hardware guys handle it.

Geek-friendly (4, Insightful)

cynicsreport (1125235) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123363)

It is a common misconception that these phones can't be economically feasible because only a small number of 'geeks' will use them. Yes, I would like a 'geek-friendly' phone, but more importantly, I want a 'developer-friendly' phone. One with a nice API to access bluetooth and wifi capabilities.
When that happens, the general non-geek population benefits due to the availability of quality software that will run on the phone.

So, step 1: make the phone easy to use
Step 2: make the phone customizable
Step 3: make the phone developer-friendly
Step 4: let me use the same API for different phones; I'm sick of recoding half of my program to make it compatible with a different phone!

Re:Geek-friendly (0)

smilindog2000 (907665) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123569)

Good vision... will Google share, and promote it? A bunch of super-business-savy guys like the leaders at Google just might agree with your vision... and they're in the right spot to profit from it. Apple recently announced that in February they will ship a development platform for the iPhone, opening it up for the world to hack. Some speculate that this is in response to the backlash to iPhone firmware 1.1.1, which blocks 3rd party hacked software for most people even today. Others at OpenMoko may fear it is in response to their efforts, and speculate that Google will make gPhone a closed system. I believe Apple fears gPhone, which is possibly the biggest threat to Apple's dominance in the mobile computing space. I'm hoping Google has your vision, and will take it to it's logical conclusion...

Re:Geek-friendly (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125459)

Right. Google's the biggest threat to Apple's "dominance" (aka a lot, but all those "cool types" who bought the iPhone to "be cool" won't care. Right.

Re:Geek-friendly (0)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125477)

Right. Google's the biggest threat to Apple's "dominance" (aka <1% of market share) in the "mobile computing space" (aka cell phones). It's not BlackBerries, Treos or the usual WinMobile-PDAs every serious business-type user uses and it's obviously not Nokia with it's giant market share and multimedia-friendly "mobile computers". Also LG/Prada, Versace (IIRC they're trying to launch something like the LG/Prada phone, might be another italian fashion brand, too.) may well be more exclusive by a lot, but all those "cool types" who bought the iPhone to "be cool" won't care. Right.

Gnaah. Slash ate my whole post. Here we go again, sorry 'bout that.

Re:Geek-friendly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123675)

Step 4: let me use the same API for different phones; I'm sick of recoding half of my program to make it compatible with a different phone!

Maybe you should try windows ce with .net mobile.

Re:Geek-friendly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21124293)

just use j2me

Re:Geek-friendly (1)

whyloginwhysubscribe (993688) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125933)

I think that his point is that even with j2me there are still different APIs for different brands of phone...

Re:Geek-friendly (1)

acalthu (1045630) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126399)

Windows Mobile?

Re:Geek-friendly (1)

MadJo (674225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126507)

Missing step 5:
Step 5: Profit!

Is it just me? (1, Interesting)

bradcb212 (1141199) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123391)

Or does anyone else think this would be a great way to spy on your kid, your spouse, etc.. I wonder how many techie nerds bought this out of jealousy or fear... Why couldn't you program this open-phone to auto pickup from a certain number, disable the speaker, and transmit audio? All without a single ring, vibration, or visual cue.

Yes, it's just you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123533)

nt

Re:Is it just me? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21124807)

Why couldn't you program this open-phone to auto pickup from a certain number, disable the speaker, and transmit audio?
Morals?

Re:Is it just me? (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125517)

Why don't you do just that with an iPhone, Neo1973/OpenMoko or any Symbian-based phone (that's just about each and every Nokia out there and lots more)?

Re:Is it just me? (1)

grommit (97148) | more than 6 years ago | (#21127111)

Offtopic be damned.

No, it's not only you. Unfortunately, there's plenty of controlling jackholes that don't trust their wives. Please do your wife/children a favor and tell them that you're a dirtbag that doesn't deserve her and she should leave.

Ugh, thinking of spying on the one person in the world that you're supposed to trust more than anybody else. How the hell do you sleep at night? Oh, that's right, you probably don't. You're probably rummaging through your wife's stuff looking for.. something.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

bradcb212 (1141199) | more than 6 years ago | (#21127299)

Dude... I agree with what you're saying. I don't have a wife or kids. Maybe I should put "hypothetically speaking" in big capital letters for you next time. I was just proposing that there's probably people doing that already... Lighten up... I'm not asking for help in building a "prove my wife is cheating on me" kit... And for the record, people hire private eyes all the time for this kind of thing and for good reason. Are you proposing that every man that's done that and caught his wife in the act is in fact a dirt bag? Do you really think such things are so black and white?

fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123405)

i'm out of shitpaper. i'm sitting here on the shitter posting on slashdot and i fucking run out of shitpaper!

whats the chance of that?

i need to call up a digg buddy to wipe my ass i guess...

$700 for a phone? Screw that. (2, Insightful)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123485)

I thought apples iPhone was insane at $500, and this thing is/was $200 more than that? No wonder it was a failure.

The $300 neo 1973 replacement is still a bit steep for me, but at least it's in the ballpark.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (4, Interesting)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123935)

Why does no one understand that the Greenphone was purely a developer platform?

It was never meant for consumers, and the fact that it works as a phone is purely secondary to its main function of providing a test bed for developing mobile phone applications for Trolltech's platform. Comparing it to consumer, mass market phones doesn't make any sense.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125001)

It was never meant for developers, either. For ${deity}'s sake, it only supported GPRS. Name one developer who's going to spend lots of his own, personal cash on a phone that maxes out at ~38kbit/sec for data. I don't care HOW customizable it is... a phone that only supports GPRS is a paperweight. Of course, they'll blame its failure on Linux, or the niche market, or its price, and totally overlook its REAL failure -- its lack of support for at least EDGE.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (3, Insightful)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125147)

Name one developer who's going to spend lots of his own, personal cash on a phone that maxes out at ~38kbit/sec for data. I don't care HOW customizable it is... a phone that only supports GPRS is a paperweight

I think you still don't understand. Developer platform doesn't mean "phone marketed towards the developer/geek market" it means "device that developers use to test their software on". It's really only that, and the lack of EDGE is not really an issue (unless the network speed is crucial to your testing).

Of course, they'll blame its failure on Linux

Trolltech is hugely supportive of Linux (sponsoring developers to work on X, KDE, and freedesktop.org projects like harfbuzz), and the Greenphone wasn't a failure so finding a scapegoat isn't necessary.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21127119)

Trolltech is exploitive of Linux. They're providing QT to the KDE community so as to promote the sales of their development platform. While many people don't see this as a problem, I personally do.

The "KDE Myths" page, should be more upfront and less marketing speak, the truth is that many people simply don't care about restrictions to closed software development. The original Qt licenses were absurd, today's is at least as legal as the GPL. Unlike Redhat, Sun, Netscape, or other FOSS-positive companies, they're not selling support and giving back to the community. They're using the GPL to create a problem which the LGPL was designed to solve, but TT charges a per-developer license fee to circumvent.

http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/65/ [urbanlizard.com]

"... The LGPL is a solution to a problem that Qt doesn't have. The whole point of the LGPL is to make the development of proprietary programs possible: but Qt already allows everyone to develop proprietary programs, by providing an alternative commercial license [for a fee] to those willing to do so. ..."

Given that projects like OO and Mozilla depend on dual-licenses, is it conceivable that OO might ever actually use the native KDE toolkit?

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21128815)

Trolltech is exploitive of Linux. They're providing QT to the KDE community so as to promote the sales of their development platform. While many people don't see this as a problem, I personally do.

You're confusing mutualism with parasitism. Of course Trolltech benefits from having KDE use their toolkit. They get free testing and bug reports from hundred of OSS devs. KDE benefits as well, because they get an excellent C++ toolkit without having to waste time developing it themselves. Given the complexity of something like Qt, this is a massive advantage for KDE.

The rest of the Linux world benefits from being able to develop high quality GPL applications based on Qt, and taking advantage of the improvements to cross-desktop projects.

Given that projects like OO and Mozilla depend on dual-licenses, is it conceivable that OO might ever actually use the native KDE toolkit?

OO has their own toolkit, and will probably never migrate to either GTK or Qt. That said, OO on Linux has a KDE "wrapper" around it, which makes it fit into a KDE environment well. However, I'm not sure if the widgets are being rendered by Qt/KDE, or if they are just styled to look like them. I can't see any differences to regular Qt/KDE widgets though, so I think Qt is actually doing the rendering.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21125283)

You must be a troll ?

You don't seem to understand what the purpose of the Greenphone dev kit is.
As a development platform, the need for any network at all is not necessary.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (2, Insightful)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125699)

it only supported GPRS. Name one developer who's going to spend lots of his own, personal cash on a phone that maxes out at ~38kbit/sec for data.

Errm, I might.

I mean, of course I want UMTS, but at the moment there are no open platforms that support it - the Neo1973 is GPRS and GSM only and I'm seriously considering getting one. To be blunt, I'm sick of crappy closed devices that aren't developer friendly (and in the case of my Symbian UIQ phone and VxWorks phone, totally unstable even when you're using them for what they were _designed_ to do).

To me, having a decent speed connection is secondary to actually being able to do useful stuff on the phone, which the current closed platforms do not let me do.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

richlv (778496) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125549)

well, if i remember correctly, they charged for the sdk. which probably killed a lot of enthusiasm from the oss crows. now, what i really hope for - that openmoko and the associated devices will be both very geek friendly and very user friendly, thus making it an ideal device to get for me and to recommend for everybody else.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 6 years ago | (#21128299)


Why does no one understand that the Greenphone was purely a developer platform?

I do understand that, I just don't think it really matters. If the developer version cost $700, how much was the consumer version of whatever this thing would become going to cost? Does the developer version have a whole lot more hardware that the consumer version doesn't? Or did they just price the developer version really high to try to re-coup costs? I didn't see any target prices for the consumer level version, so I'm only left to wonder. I sure as hell wouldn't want to develop software for a phone that costs somewhere around $600-$700. It's just not mass-market enough. If they raised the price to try to re-coup costs, it seems like they really don't have enough cash to market this thing to large amounts of people.

The thing is that the price reflects a lot about what you can't see, or what you aren't told.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21128649)

If the developer version cost $700, how much was the consumer version of whatever this thing would become going to cost?

There were never any plans for a consumer version. As a developer, you're not buying the Greenphone to develop for some future iGreenPhone, you're buying it to develop for either your own device (before the hardware is ready) or for other open phones based on Qtopia.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129073)

That makes a little more sense, though it still seems like a strange idea. I assumed "developer edition" meant it was for software developers, not hardware developers.

Re:$700 for a phone? Screw that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21124391)

Yabbit, at $300 it's ugly as sin, has few features, and you have to program it yourself. Wake me when the promises are something other than vaporware and I'll listen to propaganda about replacing this iPhone I enjoy immensely.

This plus QT are going nowhere (-1, Flamebait)

ftide (454731) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123635)

Trolltech is dead tech. It always had a dumb name.

The timing of this move and both the economical and legal reasons ( i.e. telecom issues ) for it happening are very questionable. On this day Microsoft reports the strongest quarterly earnings in years and vmWare gets a boost in profits too whose server virtualization Redmond is all over. Yesterday facebook.com reports microsoft will now control facebook's ad buys and delivery of its ad syndication which by todays standards in transparency and oversight actually means microshit will fully control facebook's user data and therefore the content integrity of facebook user profiles.

Look at the dates. Look at *what* is in Slashdot's cited article to see this professionally sick pattern of behavior ( brackets contain words I use for emphasis ) --

'' Trolltech has discontinued its Linux-based "Greenphone" development platform. Touted upon its introduction as the first _Linux-based_ mobile phone with _user-modifiable firmware_ ( big time SoA opportunity ), the device will be superseded by various third-party products, including not only open phones, but also portable media players, navigation devices, and home automation equipment, the company says. Trolltech made a big splash with the Greenphone at _LinuxWorld 2006_. As the first Linux-based mobile phone with user-modifiable firmware, the phone was designed to provide wireless carriers and [componentized, service-level] third-party [access to] [Service oriented Architecture] ''

Re: This plus QT are going nowhere (0, Offtopic)

ftide (454731) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124165)

First, cynicsreport's post above mine should have at least gotten a score of 2 or 3. Read the post from beginning to end -- giving him/her a 1 is simply mislabeling that diligence. He doesn't mention S.o.A. but is clear enough on referring to API inclusiveness which is what most programmers today understand.

My post: flamebait?? Perhaps off-topic but certainly not flame bait. Where is your rationale with calling me a flamebaiter? I am engendering communication and coordination on development issues and the ownership factors that affect them here. Everyone knows microshit has a long reach maybe they've gotten to the core beneficiaries of slashdot too.

It's not my fault that <p> paragraph breaks sometimes don't work at the beginning of HTML posts and between italics mark-up. Fix the damn code!

Re: This plus QT are going nowhere (0, Flamebait)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124711)

Try -1 flamebait, -1 troll, -2 stupid. Now stop whining and go back to blowing bill gates or steve jobs or whoever's nuts it is you were sucking on last.

Re: This plus QT are going nowhere (1)

ftide (454731) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125209)

nice try

Oh good, cynicsreport got credit where credit is due: ''Score:3, Insightful''

Neo 1973 (1)

Propaganda13 (312548) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123825)

Has anyone gotten to play around with or develop for the Neo 1973?
I like the idea, but I need to play with a phone before I buy it.

I wonder how hard it would be to adapt a NEO 1973 to VOIP. It's got USB, but I don't think it could handle a USB NIC.

Re:Neo 1973 (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123875)

The Neo 1973 GTA02 (the 'mass market' version) has built in b/g Wifi. ;-)
More info:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 [openmoko.org]

Re:Neo 1973 (1)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125481)

Except that the GTA02 doesn't exist yet. Even the hardware specs aren't set in concrete.

Re:Neo 1973 (1)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 6 years ago | (#21128121)

Actually it does exist. However it is currently only in prototype form -- a few have been made going to key developers who are putting it through its paces to see if any final hardware bugs are found, before the production run starts.

If no showstoppers are found in the current prototype run, then production should ramp up and they should be available by December. Of course that could slip again if major problems are found (which is a good thing -- I don't want broken hardware, I'd rather wait an extra month to get something that works).

Re:Neo 1973 (2, Informative)

physicsnick (1031656) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124215)

If by 'play with it' you mean play with the interface, then you can install OpenMoko on all sorts of phones and PDAs to try it out. Just yesterday I installed it on my Palm T|X. If you don't have a compatible touch-screen PDA, you can always virtualize it on your desktop using something like QEMU:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU [openmoko.org]

Re:Neo 1973 (1)

gradedcheese (173758) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124703)

It _is_ a USB NIC. That is, when you plug it into your PC via USB, it charges and also comes up as a USB network interface... It's a really neat platform, though not very consumer-ready. The next version has about twice the clock rate and some other nice improvements, and that one could probably be used as a pretty good phone as well as a development platform.

Re:Neo 1973 (1)

torpor (458) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126343)

I've been playing with the neo1973 for a couple months now and I must say its a wonderful environment. This week I got it set up with bluetooth keyboard support, so now I can code 'on-the-go' .. having onboard python is exceptionally cool for a phone, and its really just a 'normal' linux system for me now, with the advantage that it has a big fat connection to the phone network for connectivity ...

The OpenMoko development scene has its pros and cons, but for the most part its a very active community and has a lot going for it right now.

Plus, the neo1973 itself is a cool bit of kit. You can dual-boot either QTopia or OpenMoko environments, depending your preferred style, and there is even a NetBSD port on its way for the phone. So there is a lot of activity, but it may be that this is just not being promoted widely enough by the core developers right now, because there are other things to do - like release GTA02 (version2 of the neo phone) in December, and such things.

For now, the neo1973 is a very useful hacker toy .. but by January/February, I would say that it'll have a few nice applications onboard that attract consumers. I for one am working on a suite of music applications for it - sequencer, sampler-playback (soundboard-like toys for phone calls) and a mini-synth .. my interests as a developer/musician mean this little machine can give me a really unique instrument for performance. Perhaps you have similar ideas: the point is, its wide open. Get one and get on with it.

Trolltech's Canopy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21123839)

Trolltech is controlled by Canopy. And who else do we know that Canopy also controls? The initials are S-C-O...

Re:Trolltech's Canopy (2, Informative)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 6 years ago | (#21123969)

This was never true, and is even less so now: http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/60 [urbanlizard.com]

Re:Trolltech's Canopy (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124521)

This was never true...
Actually, up until 2005, Canopy owned 5.7% of Trolltech. Pretty minor, but not "never".

Re:Trolltech's Canopy (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124723)

Only 5.7% never has been and never will be a controlling interest. They NEVER "controlled" Trolltech, which is exactly what the original post was claiming. The truth is waiting for your apology.

Re:Trolltech's Canopy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21124927)

Jesus. Get a grip and a life.

Re:Trolltech's Canopy (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125035)

Did I hurt your feelings with simple math, or just your brain?

Re:Trolltech's Canopy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21125281)

I'm finding your obsession with yourself quite amusing.

A joke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21124155)

How do you stop five black men from raping a white woman?

Throw 'em a basketball!



(its rape because the white woman in this joke is not fat)

Neo1973 (1)

Compuser (14899) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124343)

Is this thing available? The website says that I (the consumer) should come back in October. I guess I will check again in 5 days
but it is not looking good. My contract is up soon so I might not mind trying Neo but they sure don't look ready for business.

Re:Neo1973 (2, Informative)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125751)

is this thing available? The website says that I (the consumer) should come back in October. I guess I will check again in 5 days
but it is not looking good. My contract is up soon so I might not mind trying Neo but they sure don't look ready for business.


Current estimates [openmoko.org] suggests the Neo1973 GTA02v4 (the production version) will be shipping at the end of December. But I think all bets are off as to whether the software will be of "production quality" by then (whatever "production quality" means these days - every production phone I've owned in the past 5 years has been an unstable piece of crap anyway).

I understand that you can run Qtopia on the devices though, which is a bit more usable as a phone than OpenMoko at the moment, but from what I've read there are serious battery-life problems when running Qtopia.

Re:Neo1973 (1)

Rhaban (987410) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126217)

If current estimates suggest it will be shipping in december, I think one can reasonnably suppose the next delay is scheduled for the end of november.

Re:Neo1973 (1)

ketilwaa (1095727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21127301)

But I think all bets are off as to whether the software will be of "production quality" by then (whatever "production quality" means these days - every production phone I've owned in the past 5 years has been an unstable piece of crap anyway).


Follow the meta bug for getting the Neo release ready here [openmoko.org]

Re:Neo1973 (1)

lixee (863589) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125761)

The Website hasn't been updated to reflect problems the project has encountered. Expect the GTA02 to be available by December.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo1973 [openmoko.org]

In the Year 2000 (2, Insightful)

KrackHouse (628313) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124451)

Assuming we all had Neos with mobile broadband access and TrixBoxes(Asterisk) running at home what would the future look like? Open Source VOIP? Would we have something like email addresses instead of phone numbers? FYI, my biggest IT coup was installing asterisk at work and having it email everybody voice messages as email attachments. Best bang for your buck if you're about to ask for a raise.

Re:In the Year 2000 (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 6 years ago | (#21125957)

What would the future look like. I mean come on, can't you guess ?
#asterix. luser001: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser002: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser003: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser004: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser005: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser006: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser007: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser008: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser009: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser0010: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser0011: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser0012: it's not working can someone fix it ?
#asterix. luser0013: it's not working can someone fix it ?

Re:In the Year 2000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21127303)

Something like the 1960's star trek. All Women in short miniskirts... awesome for some frightful for others and geeky men walking around in bad spandex saying, "set phasers to love".

basically hell. utter and complete hell. do you really want that?

Who knows? (1)

Soloact (805735) | more than 6 years ago | (#21124477)

Just an observation, Perhaps they're scrapping this idea to focus on the next line of UMPC/phone/you-name-it Computers, that are getting smaller and smaller (PicoITX anyone?) as time goes on. At least this would seem, IMHO, a better direction for such future portable devices than focusing on just the phone portion of development.

Re:Who knows? (1)

acalthu (1045630) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126437)

You should take a look at the HTC Shift then.

mod uP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21125653)

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Trolltech are their own worst enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21125905)

We were considering their Qt platform for cross platform development. It had everything we needed, it is well thought out and well implemented. However it is also buggy.

Some of the team expressed concerns, so we arranged a conference call with them.

Every answer was one step departed from what we expected/wanted. We hoped for, "yeh we've fixed that one", "that one will be fixed on Monday", "well send you a new version next week". These were minor easy to fix things, some of them had been listed on their bug database for 8 months already.

Instead we got, 'this is how we prioritize bugs', 'we've assigned that one a medium priority', 'the programmer accepts it's a bug' (so the programmer drives the spec not the business???), 'we'll give you a discount for hiring our consultants for 3 days to fix the bugs' (if the bugs can be fixed in a few days why didn't they fix them in the gap between us reporting them and the conference call FFS, if it can't you're just trying to sell us consultants which we don't need).

Our assumption was that there would be a whole string of bugs we would hit, and what we expected from them was that these very trivial bugs we'd hit during evaluation would be fixed in a few days. But what we got was sales patter and evasion. I withdrew my support for Qt and it was abandoned.

They need to get their act together.

do it right or don't do it at all (2, Interesting)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21126963)

The Neo runs X11 on a 640x480 screen and allows multiple toolkits to run on the same screen. If TrollTech wants to run in that environment, that's good.

On the other hand, if they are going to port Qt/Embedded and try to take over the phone, like they have done on other phones, they should forget it; those attempts at monopolizing the platform are unwelcome.

Overall, I'm kind of doubtful that TrollTech has much to contribute anyway. Devices based on Qt/Embedded have had lackluster commercial success, and the platform has serious usability problems in my opinion. Maybe the company should stick to writing toolkits and leave the end user experience to people who have more experience with that.
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