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Will Wright Opines That Wii Is the Only Next-Gen Console

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the can't-we-all-just-get-along dept.

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PhoenixOne writes "In an article that will probably tick off a lot of PS3 owners, Will Wright calls the PS3 and 360 'incremental improvement(s)'. 'The Wii feels like a major jump - not that the graphics are more powerful, but that it hits a completely different demographic. In some sense I see the Wii as the most significant thing that's happened, at least on the console side, in quite a while ... I still, for the most part, prefer playing games on the computer - to me the mouse is the best input device ever. Every generation it's like 'the PC's dead! The PC's dead!'. But it carries on growing when consoles are flat for five years. At the moment I can get better graphics on my PC than I can on the PS3.'"

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Sure, Will. (-1, Flamebait)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129009)

Will loves the Wii because it expanded the same market he targeted with the Sims, and is apparently targeting with Spore (by making it so excessively easy that idiots can play it). It's really no wonder that he singled the Wii out - it's got the same demographic that he caters to.

Re:Sure, Will. (4, Insightful)

TruePoindexter (975295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129081)

Or perhaps it actually went and did something new instead of rehashing the same crap all over again this time slightly shinier. I'm just saying...

Re:Sure, Will. (4, Insightful)

CGDR2 (1178215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129191)

How the fuck does the creator of The Sims have any right to accuse people of rehashing the same old crap over again?

Re:Sure, Will. (1)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129221)

Hey, the Sims "Livin' Large" was innovation!

Re:Sure, Will. (5, Interesting)

BoberFett (127537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129527)

The Sims was innovative when it was new. What's more likely: that Will Wright has slaved away personally over every one of the dozens of Sims expansion packs or that Electronic Arts controlled the massive expansions for that series?

Wright had as much to do with Sims expansions as John Carmack does with community Quake mods.

Re:Sure, Will. (2, Insightful)

Targon (17348) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129827)

When "The Sims" first came out, it really was a new game, and not a clone or rehash of other games. The thing that so many people find annoying about "The Sims" is the continued push of new content packs, and the expansions. Others dislike the community that revolves around the franchise because it is very different from the RPG or the FPS crowd, each of which has their own feel and community.

Many people also look at the content that has been made available for the consoles as being what the console is all about(because of marketing). That has to be seen as a very valid opinion, because without games, any console is just a piece of electronic junk in the same way that a PC without applications is a piece of electronic junk. The SOFTWARE is what makes any of these things worth buying. So, are the games for the PS3 or 360 any different in terms of gameplay compared to the last generation? The Wii has changed the gameplay(due to the controller(s) used), and the games available are different, and as a whole are not just newer versions of stuff seen in the last generation of console games.

Make no mistake, new shooters on the new consoles may have new graphics and have notable improvements, but aside from story, how different in terms of gameplay are games on the new consoles compared to game on the old consoles?

I do NOT consider the Wii to be next generation, but it's different. In many ways, the differences are an improvement since there is more to games than running around in a World War II game trying to play the hero, or shooting everything that moves while following a very linear storyline with no options or chance of changing via actions.

Re:Sure, Will. (0, Flamebait)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130117)

Or perhaps it actually went and did something new instead of rehashing the same crap all over again this time slightly shinier. I'm just saying...

New like the power glove? Not new, but old idea done fairly well in a few titles (wii sports, zelda, metroid, mario party 8) and very poorly in others (almost every other title). The idea itself is an old one. and the 360 and ps3 brings things that aren't just "shiny".

Re:Sure, Will. (-1, Flamebait)

Seumas (6865) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129197)

Well, even geniuses can be stupid from time to time.

I own all three consoles and I play the Wii the least. There just aren't many great games and almost no games that are truly enjoyable for single player. Sure, I can play Devil May Cry with the wii controls, but I have to sacrifice audio quality, screen size, screen resolution and general graphics quality.

Now, if the games were absurdly fantastic, that could make up for it. But there are just so few games. And the ones that I keep looking forward to buying always end up being total ass.

As for Spore . . .I said it a cople days ago and I'll say it today -- it just won't hold a gamer's interest for long. It looks like something we're all going to buy and play out of curiosity. Then after a few days, we'll get tired of the repetitiveness or the lack of involved skill and quit playing.

Re:Sure, Will. (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129481)

Then after a few days, we'll get tired of the repetitiveness or the lack of involved skill and quit playing.
It looks like a "casual" game. Which means that there's not really much skill involved, it's just something you can enjoy with little effort, to unwind at the end of a hard day's work, etc. Not everyone is an adrenaline junkie.

"Casual" games are very much like tv, something to do to be mildly entertained with little or no effort involved.

Re:Sure, Will. (2, Insightful)

Cutie Pi (588366) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129515)

Well, but you're not part of the core demographic of the Wii or of Spore.... The fact that you own all three consoles tells me you're not a casual gamer. I have a Wii, and my wife plays it more than I do. She wouldn't touch the other consoles with a ten foot pole, but she loves the Wii games. Even the simple ones that you're disparaging. The "audio quality, screen size, screen resolution, and general graphics quality" don't really matter to her as much.

True gamers have never liked titles like The Sims or Spore because they don't have an end goal. You actually have to be creative in these games to enjoy them; it has little to do with "involved skill".

Re:Sure, Will. (3, Funny)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129755)

She wouldn't touch the other consoles with a ten foot pole, but she loves the Wii games.

It's easier to use the 360 if you switch to a smaller pole... try 6" or maybe a foot at most.

Re:Sure, Will. (1)

theoneandonlyed (1136797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129595)

Why do you have to sacrifice screen size? Using my TV's "fill" mode, the Wii takes up all of a 47" 16:9 screen.

Re:Sure, Will. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129797)

There just aren't many great games
Compared to PS3? Xbox 360 had a year and a half headstart and the confidence of third-party developers. Wii was written off and its popularity has game publishers scrambling to catch up. While 2007 has been a banner year for Wii in terms of adoption, 2008 will be the year it really comes into its own in terms of software.

Re:Sure, Will. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129995)

it just won't hold a gamer's interest for long.

It seems that you do not know that the largest age group of gamers is 40+. And that their sex is female.

Hardcore gamers typically occupy the 18-34 demographic and are mostly male (not all, but most).

This shift happened years ago. Pogo and all those other Java-based games available online changed things as the internet became popular with the general population. It is no longer what system specs do you have, or what your frame rate is with those specs (or what console you own). It is about sitting down and losing a few hours playing a game that you had originally devoted only fifteen minutes.

Yes, many people do not consider anyone outside of the 18-34 demographic to be gamers, but they are. They are the ones that are being targeted with the Wii. These are people that have influence over others. If someone's mother, father or grandparent is wanting to play a game with them on a Wii, then that is saying something. That is saying that gaming is finally hitting the general population.

I am not saying that hardcore gamers are people to just let fall by the wayside. They are not. However, they are not the most important demographic anymore. There are not enough of them to carry a PS3 or Xbox 360 into profitable margins in the first few years. Yes, I did just read something about the Xbox division of MS making a profit during a quarter this year, but that is not for this conversation.

Hardcore gamers were the life blood of many gaming companies for years. Many have changed what they liked. They have expanded their horizons and found other games that can draw them in. I am one of them. Although I did not consider myself a hardcore gamer, I did play many games associated with the hardcore crowd. I played them ten to fifteen hours a day, sometimes more. However, I have moved on. I started playing RTS games, and have even moved on to TBS games now. I play RPG games and quite a few Java-based games, but not as much as years past.

So, although, there will always be a hardcore gamer market, the industry has grown beyond them. They will still have their games coming to them, but they will have to live for awhile knowing that what they consider to be the best is not what is going to be talked about. Almost feels like a videophile talking about how much better Beta was over VHS, only to watch VHS take off leaving Beta fewer and fewer customers and therefore releases and then availability.

I agree... (5, Insightful)

midifarm (666278) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129013)

All about gameplay baby and NOT pretty graphics. While they're nice to have, I'd rather have fun and be somewhat active than sit and look at pretty pictures. Viva le Wii!!! Peace

Re:I agree... (4, Interesting)

TheGeneration (228855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129253)

I've always felt like Nintendo's game have more soul. The addition of the Wiimote takes that up a notch. Now the on screen characters and gameplay make you feel in your heart and mind while the Wiimote makes your body feel as well. It's a nice touch.

Re:I agree... (5, Funny)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129371)

I've always felt like Nintendo's game have more soul...Now the on screen characters and gameplay make you feel in your heart and mind while the Wiimote makes your body feel as well.

Dude, you and Wario need to get a room.

To metamoderators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21130363)

Not insightful. And I doubt that the poster was aiming for insightful. It's pretty much a "Yeah, Me too"/"I agree" post. Not that there is much wrong with that, but it shouldn't be modded up.
If someone disagrees, feel free to argue.

Another note: as this (the one I'm writing right now, not my parent's) post is off-topic, and should probably be modded as such, click on "Fair" if it is.

Re:I agree... (2, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129365)

I also agree. Unfortunately, most of the wii games have absolutely no quality gameplay and for the most part the only enjoyable Wii games are the ones that require at least two people to play.

As for the other points:

. I still, for the most part, prefer playing games on the computer - to me the mouse is the best input device ever. Every generation it's like 'the PC's dead! The PC's dead!'. But it carries on growing when consoles are flat for five years. At the moment I can get better graphics on my PC than I can on the PS3.'"
Yes, I prefer playing games on the computer, too. And yes, a good computer today has better graphics than any of the consoles. It's been that since the day each of the consoles were released. However, I'm getting tired of having to spend $2,500 every year to build a top of the line gaming machine. If I want to play Unreal Tournament III at the best quality on my 2560x1600 30" monitor, I'm going to have to upgrade this dual core GF 8800 machine that I just built in February.

I've been a PC gamer my entire life, but the rat-race of keeping up with the hardware is getting absurd. And while today's $2500 PC puts a PS3 to shame, you can buy a PS3 and a couple of games for the price of a PC video card.

Re:I agree... (2, Funny)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129539)

> Unfortunately, most of the wii games have absolutely no quality gameplay

Thank you!!

I finally acquiesced and played the new Metroid game, which my Wii-apologist friend assured me was the pinnacle of interface design for the system. I couldn't play it for more than about 4 minutes without my hands starting to ache, but okay, fine, I'm not used to the Wii.

Then I watched him try to throw the grapple line to pull doors open. He got it to work about one out of four tries. >_

ALL THAT SAID... the bowling and golf games are tight. =)

Re:I agree... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129655)

The constant hardware upgrades and the DRM are precisely why I called it quits on PC gaming. Sure, GRAW with all the settings maxed out is a Beautiful Thing, but when it interfered with DeCSS - telling me that I couldn't do what I want with my PC - I uninstalled the garbage and haven't touched it since.

Re:I agree... (3, Insightful)

omeomi (675045) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130389)

Yes, I prefer playing games on the computer, too.

I enjoy computer games (and console games), but I think "to me the mouse is the best input device ever" seems a bit stupid. I'm surprised such a statement came from someone as esteemed as Will Wright. The best input device clearly depends on the application. Is the mouse the best input device for a word processor? How about Tetris? Anybody ever play Monkeyball, and then try to play Neverball with a mouse? I bet you'll find yourself wishing for an analog control stick...Of course the mouse is better for, say, an FPS or an RTS war-game, but it's not the be-all and end-all of input devices...

Re:I agree... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129495)

It's too bad that the only fun game for the wii is Wii Sports. It's probably just because it's the Wii's first year, but man the software is really dull--almost as bad as the ps3.

With regards to Will, I think he should look up how a console generation is defined. It doesn't really make sense to call these an incremental update when the same thing separates the Playstation from the Playstation 2: graphics and horsepower. Same with the Atari to the NES to the SNES.

Re:I agree... (1)

nick_davison (217681) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129729)

While they're nice to have, I'd rather have fun and be somewhat active than sit and look at pretty pictures.

Yeah, I say that too. Sadly not what my browser history confirms.

I swear I'm going to go on a real date one of these years!

Re:I agree... (3, Funny)

trezima (1168921) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130043)

Sex is overratted and too expensive.

Re:I agree... (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129779)

All about gameplay baby and NOT pretty graphics. While they're nice to have, I'd rather have fun and be somewhat active than sit and look at pretty pictures. Viva le Wii!!! Peace

Gameplay? Like as in 10s shake the controller vigorously mini-games that comprise warioware? I have a wii and I think most of people who exalt it's gameplay are just jumping on a bandwagon. It's basically taking older game concepts (NES era) tacking on a *shake* mechanic replacing button mashing mechanic and calling it a game. Some games are truly innovative (wii sports) others are just old games with *shaking* replacing button mashing (Rayman/Warioware). True innovators (Katamari Damacy, Viva Pinata, Cooking Mama) will find interesting things to do with the controls available. Everyone else puts out the same old shit with slightly different gimics (more pretty lights, bump mapping, shake controller vs pushing button, etc..)

Re:I agree... (1)

obergfellja (947995) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129857)

in other words... just Wii on anything that a 3 in it, because it's not good enough for casual gamers.

Hrm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129027)

I never play mine. Camped for it, but so far just not compelled to actually use the thing. The abysmal attach rate indicates that I am not the only one. Posted anon because I'd like to keep my little karma.

Re:Hrm (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129387)

I will agree a bit to this statement, however, that was before I picked up Metroid Prime 3... Have I been playing the Wii as much as I played other game systems when I got them, no, but I think the reason for that is that I now have a full time job, whereas when I got my last system, I was still in college and had considerably more "free" time. Heck, I havn't even beaten the last Final Fantasy yet (or X:2), and I use to chew thew them in under 2 weeks (and then look for all the hidden stuff, like the true hardest enemy in the game... the final boss is usually a piece of cake compared against the real hardest guy... just look at Ozma in Final Fantasy 9 (oh you didn't find him huh?))....

Anyway, I think another factor is that I have the system out downstairs and not in my own room, and I think a lot of people have it this way as well. It is a better "party" system, and good for company.

Re:Hrm (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129645)

I really like the idea of the Wii but could see the novelty wearing off very quickly. I got my 360 cos i wanted to play PC type games from the comfort of the sofa. I spend all day sat at a PC, don't want to do it at home as well. The 360 amd the Wii have very differing target markets. Not a bad thing, but a bit like comparing apples with aardvarks.

On the other hane one of the pubs near me has Wii games nights. The thought of beer and hand held controllers sounds mighty dangerous to me.

Not that it matters to Will Wright (4, Funny)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129037)

Seeing as Spore currently is on track to be Next-Next-Gen anyways. I guess it's safe to say it'll be on the Wii 2 rather than the Xbox 720 at this point.

Old Argument... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129065)

This argument has been around since before the wii was released. "Wii is not the best next generation console, but the ONLY next generation console". Blah blah blah blah ... and continues on...

Balls Out Boys! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129153)

Its Wii strokin' time!

Real article (5, Informative)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129193)

A link [guardian.co.uk] to the real article from The Guardian would have been much nicer.

Poor 360'ers (2, Funny)

grommit (97148) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129203)

"In an article that will probably tick off a lot of PS3 owners, Will Wright calls the PS3 and 360 'incremental improvement(s)'.

So you're saying that 360 owners are resigned to knowing that their system is mediocre at best?

Re:Poor 360'ers (4, Funny)

lluBdeR (466879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129379)

Ever use Windows? I don't think Microsoft is capable of much else.

Space Heater (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129471)

Don't be sad... On the bright side, it'll keep you warm at night!

Re:Poor 360'ers (5, Insightful)

Churla (936633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129839)

I think you missed some of his point.

It's not that the 360 or ps3 are bad systems. It's that what they really added to the previous generation was a little better graphics, a little more storage space, small upgrades in individual aspects of the product.

What the Wii did was introduce a really different way of playing the games, and in the process has tapped into a market the ps3 and 360 couldn't dream of. Ergo, the impact of the Wii on the console gaming genre is larger even through the technological advances involved aren't.

Re:Poor 360'ers (1)

Targon (17348) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129875)

It isn't about the hardware, it's what the game developers do with it. The PS3 MIGHT be seen as being a next generation console with last generation games, but with better graphics than we saw on the last generation console.

Game devs are afraid of trying anything new, because the high cost of development makes it a risk many refuse to take.

Re:Poor 360'ers (1)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130095)

So you're saying that 360 owners are resigned to knowing that their system is mediocre at best?


I think some people with those nasty blinking red lights would prefer mediocre.

Technically speaking Will has a point (1)

LoofWaffle (976969) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129229)

The test to see if something is truly a console should be something like "Can you system be reprogrammed to complete Folding@Home units?" The PS3 can definitely say "Yes" to this and I'm sure the XBox could too, if it didn't have its current game library available.

A creative mind appreciating creativity (5, Insightful)

TruePoindexter (975295) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129247)

I'm not at all surprised. Here's a man who is famous for creative mind asked what he thought about the new consoles. Of course he's not going to find the PS2 + 1 and the XBOX +1 (well + 360 in this case) interesting. They simply are more of the same. Better graphics with HD support. Even more bloat trying to act as a media hub. Wireless controllers. These are all nice things but really nothing that took any creativity. Really those two consoles are the sum of minor upgrades to bring them in line with newer technology.

The Wii itself is actually even worse in this regard, it's the past generation of tech being sold...again. The innovation and creativity is in the controller and that's what he respects. In this way the Wii isn't a Gamecube + 1 it's more like a Gamecube + Demographic widening idea. Is he doing anything of note for the Wii/DS? I'd be curious to see what he comes up with.

Re:A creative mind appreciating creativity (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129533)

Spore is being developed with a DS version in mind for release after the PC. Of course, EA (and Will too) wants to spread Spore to all platforms (even phones) eventually.

Re:A creative mind appreciating creativity (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130269)

I wouldn't exactly say that-- the console's controller is innovative, yes... but nobody would care about that, if not for the games. The games are a lot more innovative on the Wii, IMO, than on the other consoles.

You don't find games like WarioWare on the other systems. The motion controls do help it a ton, though.

And who cares if the Wii is running on Gamecube-level hardware (I'm pretty sure it's not, though)? Does that really give the PS3 an edge over it, disregarding graphics? I've played quite a few games on both the 360 and the PS3 that had framerates that would PLUMMET at times, making the game temporarily unplayable. I've never had this problem on the Wii (as a matter of fact, every game I have seems to run beautifully and without a hitch). So the PS3 has higher-resolution graphics that slow the system down to a halt, but it's technologically superior? That's like saying your Vista box is better than my Ubuntu box because you've got 3gb of ram and I only have 2.

Completely (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129291)

I agree completely. I wouldn't care if graphics were stuck where Zak & Wiki and Metroid 3 and Mario are. They all look just fine. If someone could figure out a way to make actual curved surfaces fast, that would be an improvement, but those games look fantastic. Heck, even RE 4 and some of the other 'Cube games looked good enough.

The Wii is different. I read something the other day where someone important commented that we have 50x more power this generation than last (or something like that) and we are using it to calculate 50x as many polygons and stuff like that. They are mostly being used for better graphics. Not more physics. Not more AI. Just more stuff in the background of games that don't effect things as much. There are a few games doing things differently, but the average game is still a PS2 or XBox game with more polygons and shiny things.

This will improve some as people get more familiar, but the Wii is the only system that is trying to do something different at this point in more than 1 or 2 games.

Re:Completely (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129939)

I agree completely. I wouldn't care if graphics were stuck where Zak & Wiki and Metroid 3 and Mario are. They all look just fine. If someone could figure out a way to make actual curved surfaces fast, that would be an improvement, but those games look fantastic. Heck, even RE 4 and some of the other 'Cube games looked good enough.

In SD maybe, in HD zelda looks really bad. The graphics are pretty sloppy, the 3d isn't set up for widescreen so when you turn the sides of the screen distort much more then they are supposed to. Since the wii knows I have a wide screen I'm surprised they don't' adjust for this. Wii sports cartoony style looks fine.

Re:Completely (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130027)

Zelda didn't look bad, but you will note that I didn't mention that game. I didn't have those problems on my HDTV.

Remember though that Zelda was developed almost entirely on the 'Cube, and was later released on it. It was, in most ways, a last-gen game. It was very fun, but it was not a "look at what Wii graphics can do" game. It looked good though.

Even Metroid Prime 3 was, from my understanding, developed to a large degree on the 'Cube (though I think they stepped it up after that). That's a very good looking game.

The screenshots and videos of the Mario Galaxy floor me to a degree. I was very surprised at how nice they looked.

The 'Cube started out looking nice. Look at the space levels with all the Tie Fighters in Rogue Squadron. Then things progressed until we got Resident Evil 4.

More will come. Despite some games (WiiPlay, WiiSports, etc are designed to look simple, other games that copy that seem to be doing it because they are lazy) the Wii is clearly capable of quite a lot.

But my point is: Zelda is not a good example of what the Wii can do.

Re:Completely (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130403)

I didn't have any of the problems you had, and I have my Wii attached to an HDTV.

You're sure you weren't playing the Cube version of Zelda? The Cube version wasn't widescreen. The Wii version was.

I kinda disagree (5, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129305)

I'd originally dismissed the 360 as just like the last generation, just with more shiny. But all of the internet and xbox live services really push this into realms I've not yet seen. The 360 is certainly one direction the next generation can take, even if you disagree with it. The Wii is another approach. I haven't played one or anything but I hear it has an arcade like the 360 and can explore that avenue. Exploring new demographics is a great idea and they've certainly built up some impressive hype to go along with it.

The only console I'd really bag on at this point is the PS3. Whatever they tried to do with it, it ended up a failure. I don't really see that conclusion changing any time soon, a late lifecycle resurrection or the like.

I'm still happy with the idea of multiple game systems vigorously competing against one another. The last thing we need is a video game monoculture that stifles all development.

Re:I kinda disagree (3, Interesting)

PJ1216 (1063738) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129917)

the PS3 is set-up to have a lot of potential. it was released early to help push blu-ray. its unfortunate, but from that standpoint, not having the ps3 out there really would have hurt blu-ray. their hand was forced. as they continually update it, more and more features are being added that didn't exist in any previous generation console. while some of them may exist in the xbox360 or the wii, just the same, they didn't exist in the previous generation of consoles. its setup more as a entertainment system as opposed to games only, which, is just another direction next-gen can take.

though, honestly, i don't think he's referring to next-gen in these terms. he's talking about gameplay. as much as you want to say the live services are going into new realms, when you get down to it, its only changing the way you interact with the other players. the gameplay theory is the same. if you played a game on the xbox, you're going to have a very similar learning curve on 360 games as you did on the xbox. however, the whole theory used to develop the Wii was completely different. you could be a master on all other consoles, but be no better than a beginner on the wii.

the gameplay on the PS3 & x360 is *not* that revolutionary. yea, the ps3 uses motion-sensing, but barely. you're talking about added features, which Wright isn't talking about. All of those things are just bells & whistles. The Wii is different. The gameplay is completely different. The way you socialize may be different on the 360. But that's not really next-generation. It may change the way you communicate or plan attacks, but again, its just modifications on a pre-existing framework.

At least, thats my opinion.

Re:I kinda disagree (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129981)

I hate to be the person to jump in and say this, but: PC games have had online play since the dawn of time.

It's not something that Microsoft invented for the XBox, and it's not even remotely new. Although they've done a very admirable job of putting a nice interface on it, and marketing it to every 14 year old in North America. It's nothing particularly new, special, or innovative.

Nintendo shook things up, turned things in a direction where they've never gone before, and then had the balls to sell their console for half the price of everyone else (ie. so that their target audience could actually afford it, which is a concept increasingly lost to the console vendors these days)

Likewise, if you really think we ARE going to be developing more consoles like the XBox and PS3 from now on, we'd probably benefit from a console monoculture (ie. a standardized platform, considering that all Microsoft and Sony have been doing is to make incremental upgrades to their products). Platform-exclusive games also *suck* for the consumer.

What kind of PC? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129333)

Idiotic. Can you get better graphics than a PS3 with a 500$ PC?

Re:What kind of PC? (1)

LoofWaffle (976969) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129509)

No, but then Sony is taking a loss on the PS3. Assuming they sold it at cost, I could get better graphics out of a system that was 8-9 hundred. Sure I'd sacrifice Blu-Ray and raw processing power, but I'd make up for it by having a bigger game library that goes back quite a few years.

The graphics of Paint Shop Pro (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129631)

Idiotic. Can you get better graphics than a PS3 with a 500$ PC?
Yes. It's called Paint Shop Pro, Photoshop Elements, or GIMP. A console does one thing: play games from large publishers. A PC can do more: games from smaller publishers or tasks that aren't games at all.

He does make a good point (3, Insightful)

PJ1216 (1063738) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129341)

but, really, what it comes down to is semantics. I mean, look at the different generation iPods, yea, there were some leaps, but sometimes it was just an improvement in hard disk space and tweaks to the interface. the way people use the term "next-gen" is in terms of the competition available. the wii's competition has been deemed to be the ps3 and the xbox360. technically, it's competing with the ps2 and xbox as well, but its main competitors, the ones that everyone keeps an eye on, are the ps3 & x360. each generation is just the group of the current competitors of that era so to speak.

So, while he does raise a VERY good point, its really just a different use of the term next-gen. its the next generation of each console (sony's, ms's, & nintendo's). while the wii is revolutionary, it doesn't mean you *can't* call the other consoles next-gen. technologically speaking, they are quite revolutionary (ie: ps3's cell processor) in their own regards, but the basic concept behind them hasn't changed.

The sad reality... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129345)

I still don't have a Wii since it was released earlier this year as I can't find it locally or on Amazon. I go to Best Buy all the time to see the Halo XBox 360s that no one wants.

Re:The sad reality... (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129603)

When I finally got mine, (just before Christmas, but it felt like finally) what I did was go into Wal-mart around 4pm to find out when their merchandise shipments came in so I could go in around that time and find out if Wii systems came in. I asked about it and the person at the desk got a phone call to pick up their division's merchandise: I got the first of 3 systems that came in that day. What's more, I got the idea from a family friend who got two systems the same way (after a couple more trips into the store, though.)

Re:The sad reality... (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129653)

That's less true than you think. I walked into a Zellers a couple months ago [zellers is basically like a Target or K-Mart] and they had two just sitting there in the display case.

I think nowadays you're more likely to find one than say 6 months ago.

Tom

Supply will double in Christmas (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129901)

If you want a Wii and can't find it yet, you should know that supply will double in Christmas [slashdot.org] according to Nintendo themselves. They've probably been stockpiling units for the important holiday season.

The question is, when are they going to start releasing those units? You have to be attentive, because it's likely that demand is so high, that even doubled supply will still not be enough.

Re:The sad reality... (1)

letsgolightning (1004592) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130417)

I used wiitracker [wiitracker.com] to find mine. It looks like they have a bot that checks all the different sites every ten minutes and updates the main page. It took me about two weeks of looking at this page every so often, but I eventually got one through Amazon. As an added plus, since I bought it online, I didn't have to pay what would have been about $18 in sales tax.

Cheap VR (1)

confused_demon (1161841) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129355)

I completely agree with the idea that the xbox360 and the PS3 are 'evolutionary' rather than 'revolutionary' consoles. They basically do the same thing the Xbox and the PS2 did, but better.

The Wii, on the other hand, has a truly innovative interface, which only promises to get more interesting as new devices (like that platform for WiiFit) come out for it. It feels more like VR for the home than a traditional game console.

I understand that the 'hardcore' gamers in my generation are upset with the Wii, and how it's making gaming somewhat less cool because their parents (and grandparents) are getting into it. However, Nintendo is going to be laughing all the way to the bank for this round of the console wars. The next generation of high-end consoles looks like it's going to have to include impact vests, Wii-like controlers, and Wii-fit like boards. Gamers, even if you don't like the Wii, you better figure out how to use the controler, because that's where everything is going.

Re:Cheap VR (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130015)

I understand that the 'hardcore' gamers in my generation are upset with the Wii, and how it's making gaming somewhat less cool because their parents (and grandparents) are getting into it. However, Nintendo is going to be laughing all the way to the bank for this round of the console wars. The next generation of high-end consoles looks like it's going to have to include impact vests, Wii-like controlers, and Wii-fit like boards. Gamers, even if you don't like the Wii, you better figure out how to use the controler, because that's where everything is going.

No, we just fear that the wii will encourage studios to repackage old games but replace "mash A" with "shake controller" (rayman rabits) and stop making any deep or quality games. And so far our fears have been realized with the current wii library. The wii is a boon to people who didn't play before. It drops a lot of the "grammar" gamers have taken for granted and goes back to the Atari-NES days of simple mechanics and a easier to understand interface. However 90% of the games aren't any different then the NES games. You just replace one mechanic (mash A to run faster) with another "shake to run faster". The ones that adapt something new (wii sports bowling) do it well but it's not the common case.

Re:Cheap VR (1)

confused_demon (1161841) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130273)

That's partially because the current generation of game developers aren't really trying to think outside the box. Instead, as you point out, they're just repackaging the same tired stuff that they've been doing since the 1980's.

What I'm looking forward to is going to be a FPS on the Wii that takes advantage of both the 'gun' and the Wii-fit board thingy. You'll aim & shoot with the gun, and move around by shifting your balance forward, back, or to the side. Or a boxing game where the hand positions are determined by the controller (and nunchuck) and the 'dance' is done via the Wii-fit board. It will be even cooler when things like impact vests let you feel when you get hit (and where you get hit) rather than just a flasing light or a change in your life bar.

I'm not saying that such a game has to be on the Wii, it's just that the Wii is the only console with an interface capable of such immersive games. Personally, I _hope_ that at least one of the two other consoles adds Wii-like controls.

Re:Cheap VR (1)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130373)

That's partially because the current generation of game developers aren't really trying to think outside the box. Instead, as you point out, they're just repackaging the same tired stuff that they've been doing since the 1980's.

What I'm looking forward to is going to be a FPS on the Wii that takes advantage of both the 'gun' and the Wii-fit board thingy. You'll aim & shoot with the gun, and move around by shifting your balance forward, back, or to the side. Or a boxing game where the hand positions are determined by the controller (and nunchuck) and the 'dance' is done via the Wii-fit board. It will be even cooler when things like impact vests let you feel when you get hit (and where you get hit) rather than just a flasing light or a change in your life bar.

I'm not saying that such a game has to be on the Wii, it's just that the Wii is the only console with an interface capable of such immersive games. Personally, I _hope_ that at least one of the two other consoles adds Wii-like controls.
Oddly all yrou ideas have already been done. Metroid is the FPS, wii sports has that Boxing game, and there is a vest there exists a vest that takes the rumble signal from a console (PS2 or xbox or GC) to hit you with a rumble in the vest. They have a chair that does this too. The "movement" via wii board isn't around yet but many of the light gun namco games used a floor pedal to dodge. Actually it's not wii exclusive to have those things, but it's just neat peripherals. Like guitar hero or the games with the eye toy. Much of the "wii is revolutionary" is hype. the wii is just a bigger market now for the neat peripherals and comes with a neat peripheral by default.

New WII game (1, Funny)

Roskolnikov (68772) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129363)

Concept is simple, a bunch of folks standing in a circle holding wii-motes shaking them towards the center.

I agree with an earlier post, the sims would look no better on a WII than an XB360 or a PS3, each of the new systems is innovative in
their own right but using something like an innovation in control as an indicator of 'next-gen' status is a little silly.

Re:New WII game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21130011)

You're looking for something like this [loadingreadyrun.com] .

What happend? (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129381)

Usually I agree with Will Wright (regardless of your opinion of his games, you cannot deny the impact he has had on the industry) however, in this case, I think he is a little off the mark.

The Wii does something new and exciting, yes, but so do the PS3 and the 360...it's not just "shinier graphics", there are many things that game developers are able to do now that they were unable to do before...that extra computing power can go towards smarter AI, larger level design (for example, compare the size of the levels and objects on screen in Beautiful Katamari to the first three Katamari games.)...it's similar to CGI in movies...it is allowing us to achieve things in movies that were previously nigh-impossible.

And let's not forget the online portion as well. Yes, Live was around with the original Xbox, but look at what Live has grown into...a massive marketplace, tons of video and game demos right at your fingertips, not to mention Arcade titles...ditto for the PSN, so much stuff it's nearly overwhelming. The Wii has done well with the Virtual Console in this area, although out of the three I would have to say it has the furthest to go.

The Wii has made some baby steps towards innovation, but it's going to take games where the waggle is no longer labeled as such (Prime 3 is a great example of this, btw.) More powerful CPUs and GPUs don't just make things extra shiny...they make gameplay possible that was not possible before...just like a Wiimote.

Re:What happend? (5, Insightful)

IceCreamGuy (904648) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129807)

that extra computing power can go towards smarter AI, larger level design (for example, compare the size of the levels and objects on screen in Beautiful Katamari to the first three Katamari games.)...it's similar to CGI in movies...it is allowing us to achieve things in movies that were previously nigh-impossible.
How are the things you mentioned not "incremental improvements?" All of the aspects of video games you just mentioned have been around since Doom, they've just gotten better ever since then... incrementally. Motion control, in the sense that the Wii has it, is new, as in never been done before in a console. What can you do on the 360 and PS3 that you can't do on a PC? Nothing. What about on the Wii?

Maybe the wording he's using is a little off; "next gen" has always meant "incremental improvements" over a wide array of features and capabilities. But "next gen" in the context that Will Wright seems to be using it truly does only describe the Wii.

Re:What happend? (0)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130287)

I have four questions for you.

Yeah? And? So? What?

The difference in processing power between this gen and last gen is huge, much larger than the differences in previous generations...these difference grants us the ability to do things in games we could only dream about before. Look at games such as Assasin's Creed, or the next Splinter Cell. Do you think you could have had the kind of interactivity with the environment in previous generations as what Assasin's Creed or the next Splinter Cell are showing? This isn't just shinier and fancier...this is stuff that directly affects the game, stuff that entirely changes your interaction with the environment.

Splinter Cell is a good example of this....look at previous Splinter Cell games. Here you are, master spy, and unable to interact with things unless it is required to advance through a stage...you were the best trained spy in the world, and can only dispatch your enemies in a few pre-set ways. Now look at the new Splinter Cell. Do I wait under this desk, only to pop out at the last second? Or do I sneak up behind the poor bastard and chuck him across the table scattering objects everywhere...objects which could be used to impede the progress of the enemies now alerted to my presence. Or, better still, do I just grab a chair or computer and chuck it at their heads? Of course, I could always knock this desk over for some short-lived cover after sniping one of them in the back of the head with my pistol...

Or Assasin's Creed. Do I run up and murder that guy in front of a crowd, and then proceed to run through the town streets (with countless civilians screaming at me, btw) looking for something that I can use in order to get higher up? Or do I slowly creep on top of a building (of which there are multiple ways of climbing), toss a dagger at his face, and watch the ensuing chaos below. Or do I murder him in plain sight, start killing guards, and then scurry up ANY wall I choose, requiring the guards (using their AI, of course) to find their own way up...and then proceed to toss them off the roof as they climb up one by one.

Games like Splinter Cell and Assasin's Creed will essentially enable you to play through a level however you want...Obviously, there is going to be a starting point and an ending point, however now instead of only having a handful of options of how to get there, your options are limited only by your own imagination.

That's not very "incremental" to me. That's changing the way I play a game. Just like a Wiimote.

Re:What happend? (1)

Targon (17348) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130019)

Your comment touches on the real problem with the current generation of consoles without saying it. The consoles are able to do a lot more than the previous generation of consoles, but at this point, the only real improvements have been to the eye candy/graphics rather than being focused on the potential of the new consoles.

Games for the PC have been advancing a bit faster because game developers know that they can develop a game for what they expect the PC will be able to do, and make the game scale based on different computers. This allows a game dev to theoretically aim for 5 million polygon characters to interact with, but since the devs KNOW that not everyone will have that cutting edge equipment, they also make plans on how to scale the graphics down from "the best" settings.

Console game developers can NOT expect that what they are working on will apply to whatever the latest console is in four years, so they need to push games out faster, and hope the game is ready to ship before the next generation console stops sales of the game they designed to run on current consoles.

Re:What happend? (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130025)

AI was rarely limited by CPU power in the past. How many times have you seen articles of a game due for release in 6-12 months that claims "groundbreaking AI", but when it comes out is has the same piss-stupid AI as any other game?

The limitations on AI is with dev time. When deadlines are looming, it's the first thing cut.

Re:What happend? (1)

8tim8 (623968) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130289)

The Wii does something new and exciting, yes, but so do the PS3 and the 360...it's not just "shinier graphics", there are many things that game developers are able to do now that they were unable to do before

Maybe, except that the things you list are, essentially, "shinier graphics" sorts of things that you get through more horsepower in the console. Bigger levels, smarter AI, more online...these are pretty obvious things that *any* next generation platform could supply.

More powerful CPUs and GPUs don't just make things extra shiny...they make gameplay possible that was not possible before...just like a Wiimote.

But the experience with the PS3 and 360 is essentially the same as previous generations, there's just more of it. The experience of playing with the Wii is fundamentally different: a different control scheme lets you have a fundamentally different experience.

To put it another way, from what I've heard the Wii isn't all that much more powerful than the Gamecube, especially if you look at the PS2->PS3. But I haven't heard *anyone* bitching that the Wii is just the same as the GC, with a bit of flash thrown in. People are talking about the Wii as a legitimate contender in this generation against consoles that are (by everyone's admission) *much* more powerful. That's what the difference here is.

Re:What happend? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130313)

Read my reply to a post further up in this thread. My post there is my same answer to you.

No way! You mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129411)

...a PC game developer thinks the PC is the best gaming platform?!?

In all seriousness, the man is an innovator, and he'll naturally be drawn to the most innovative machine, which the Wii certainly is. It'll probably be the first "next-gen" system I'll break down and buy. Even though he praises the Wii, he's basically saying it still can't touch the PC. Well, he takes the CYA approach when he says, "To me, [the mouse is the best input device]." Well thank you for your input Mr. Wright, but to me, it's not. So please make some games for the Wii.

But that's exactly what next generation is! (0)

m50d (797211) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129431)

Generations are *meant* to be incremental improvements - the very name implies they're nothing new, mostly the same thing, just done better. PS3 and Xbox360 are exactly "next generation"; they're the same improvement over PS2/Xbox/GC that those were over PSX/N64. The Wii is the console that *isn't* next generation - less improvement in power, fewer similarities, instead it's gone off and done something different. Perhaps it's the "console mutant"?

Re:But that's exactly what next generation is! (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129731)

You're trying to say that there is a difference between "next gen" and "next big thing". Microsoft and Sony very much don't want that to be the case.

From a certain point of view, he is right. (4, Insightful)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129469)

I don't know why it would tick off PS3 owners (or Xbox 360 owners, for that matter)....

1. If your point of view is that "next generation console" means "console that introduces a new model for interacting with the system", then it is generally true that the Wii is the true next generation system (though the PS3 does cautiously dip its toe in that water).

2. On the other hand, if "next generation console" means "console that provides the core functions of a next generation TV-based entertainment environment," then the Wii misses the boat and the PS3 (and perhaps the Xbox 360) is the true next gen console.

3. Now, if one asserts that what makes a console "next generation" is that it taps a new or expanded audience of users, then it is not the console that is "next generation" at all. In this case, one might understandably describe the audience as "next generation gamers".

In summary, having a new or expanded class of users means there is a "next generation" audience. Having a new or expanded class of functions means there is a "next generation" device.

Re:From a certain point of view, he is right. (5, Insightful)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129677)

If you're going to go by features, the first next-gen console was the original Xbox.

1) Large local storage built-in to the console
2) Online gameplay with matching service
3) Downloadable games
4) HD support (at resolutions higher than 480p; I know 480p is a HD resolution, but it's not what people mean when they say "HD.")
5) Built-in ethernet which can be used for the aforementioned online features, and also for setting up local LAN play

Notice how every single console that's come out since the Xbox has integrated all of these features. But no console before the Xbox had them.

Re:From a certain point of view, he is right. (0)

spiderbitendeath (577712) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130055)

1) - fine, it had a harddrive built in, that's nifty

2) - Been done long before the xbox was a twinkle in shareholders eyes. Back to the Atari age.

3) - See last point

4) - My Gamecube and Dreamcast both did 480p, big deal. Dreamcast did it before the xbox.

5) - Dreamcast came with standard modem, upgradable to network. Gamecube supported networking, and Atari supported more networking features in their Jaguar than any company since. Shortwave Radio, modem, and direct serial connections. Only thing I see noteworthy is the xbox building the network adaptor into it.

The only thing being done differently with this generation of consoles is Nintendo's Wiimote, and everyones' built in storage. Everything else has been done over and over again since the begining of consoles.

Re:From a certain point of view, he is right. (2, Interesting)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130319)

2) - Been done long before the xbox was a twinkle in shareholders eyes. Back to the Atari age.

Link?

4) - My Gamecube and Dreamcast both did 480p, big deal. Dreamcast did it before the xbox.

How about reading what I typed?

5) - Dreamcast came with standard modem, upgradable to network. Gamecube supported networking, and Atari supported more networking features in their Jaguar than any company since. Shortwave Radio, modem, and direct serial connections. Only thing I see noteworthy is the xbox building the network adaptor into it.

How about reading what I typed?

The only thing being done differently with this generation of consoles is Nintendo's Wiimote, and everyones' built in storage. Everything else has been done over and over again since the begining of consoles.

If the Wiimote (a different control scheme) is enough to be declared (in Will Wright's opinion at least) that it's in a new console generation, then so is a built-in harddrive.

next generation TV-based entertainment environment (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129695)

On the other hand, if "next generation console" means "console that provides the core functions of a next generation TV-based entertainment environment," [PS3 and Xbox 360 qualify.]
Can you explain "next generation TV-based entertainment environment" in other words that don't give me two squares on my buzzword bingo card?

Re:From a certain point of view, he is right. (0, Offtopic)

hsoft (742011) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129735)

Isn't *everyone* right, "from a certain point of view"?

<luke>From a certain point of *view*?!</luke>

Re:From a certain point of view, he is right. (1)

loafula (1080631) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129799)

Next generation means literally and only that these consoles are the next generation (now current generation) of consoles. In that sense, all three are next-gen. I have to agree with you that the Wii misses the boat on this. As developers start taking advantage of the capabilities of the 360 and PS3 more and more, I think the Wii is going to be left collecting dust much like the gamecube.

Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21129535)

I opine that I bought a wii at launch, thought tennis was fun, loved zelda (though calling it a 'wii' game is a stretch, and haven't found anything fun since.

Warioware? I'm not the frantic mini-game type. Super Paper Mario? Not enough gameplay. Metroid Prime 3? Too dark, too hard to navigate.

Where's the innovation? Where's the fun?

It would be nice (0, Redundant)

zehaeva (1136559) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129553)

if you linked to the actual interview [guardian.co.uk] rather than a quick blog quote from the interview.

SPORE is getting to him (0, Troll)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129559)

I think too much development has fried his brain. The Wii does have a cool control scheme. But to completely discount processing power and graphics capability is simply foolish. To many of us, the jump to high def is a major leap in consoles. And if that is only incremental, why isn't changing the controller on a gamecube an incremental change?

I think he's way off on this one. Sorry Will.

Re:SPORE is getting to him (2, Insightful)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129795)

HD graphics doesn't enable console games to do anything new; they do the same stuff as N64 games, but better looking (and with some features borrowed from PCs, like networked multiplayer). The wiimote enables games to do things that are truly new for mainstream consumer entertainment products.

Re:SPORE is getting to him (3, Insightful)

Interl0per (1045948) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129811)

I'll respectfully disagree here, the article is reporting an opinion of an influential developer, not trying to define anything specific. Wright's echoing the same insight that everyone else has had on the Wii; Nintendo is playing a different game (pardon the pun) from the "Big 2" everyone was watching a couple of years ago, and winning new customers from the disaffected masses that aren't willing to sacrifice feeding their children in exchange for a high-polygon paperweight :) It's not just about the box, it's about strategy IMO.

Re:SPORE is getting to him (1)

ObiWanStevobi (1030352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129955)

They found new customers that don't want intense games, therefor they are the only "Next Gen"? Nonsense, all he is doing is disregarding the gamers that have made the industry as strong as it has been.

For the "PC is dead"... (0)

webmaster404 (1148909) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129759)

For the "PC is dead" comment, it should be that the Microsoft PC is dead. Because vendors are so hesitant either realising source code or spending money for a very niche market there aren't that many major games for Linux. And Microsoft with Vista has scared hard-core gamers away with lacklustre performance, bad or non-existent drivers and the fact DirectX10 is being made to work on both Linux and XP. Not to mention how M$ core developers are developing only for the 360 rather then making releases for the PC at the same time. As for the Wii, it has tons of potential but most of the games don't have much substance yet, it will take some major games such as Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl to get development moving for the Wii. If you take a look at the Nintendo DS the first year or two very, very few "substantial" games came out, only tech-demo like experiments until major games came out for it that were traditional games that used the 2 screens well. For the Wii though, the one thing that is saving it is the Virtual Console and exclusive titles. You can almost guarantee most Nintendo first or second party titles will never show up on the PS3 or 360 such as Mario, Super Smash Bros., Fire Emblem, Zelda, and the list goes on and on. The only reasons that people have told me that they bought a 360 was for Halo 3, most people I talked to about getting a Wii wanted either the innovative controls, first-party titles or the Virtual Console.

The Wii is a christmas fad (0, Flamebait)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129767)

The attach rate is appaling because the majority of non gamers buying the console are,... shock horror not that into games!
They aren't buying games for the system, it's that toy they will pull out of the closet every xmas because last year grandma had fun with Wii bowling.

The majority of games are diluted versions / ports from other systems or kiddie games.
The few Nintendo games on the system that are good are well... such a small amount of the library.
The wii remote is not as accurate and 'fun to use' as it's marketed as, it'll never be a proper gun pointer, it's not accurate for sword / light saber swinging - it's just a clever motion detector not an accurate one.

I am normally the first man to say graphics aren't everything but there is still a baseline and that thing is seriously dated, it'll soon be at the point where people look at it as the atari.
My family had an atari when I was a kid and it was the same thing, the cool toy we pulled out twice a year, we NEVER got other games for the system, attach rate like 3 initial games, nothing else.

The Wii may sell lots of hardware but hopefully it diminishes back to gamecube levels, so Sony and MS can pick up the slack, I want to see those 2 competing better so we, the gamers get more choice and lower prices.

Oh while I'm at it, I can not tell you how many friends, friends of friends, people I speak to on forums have told me they own a Wii and it's sitting under their TV doing nothing, I don't think I actually know one person who actually IS happy with the thing.

It's a very popular fad right now andhopefully it will soon die away.

Re:The Wii is a christmas fad (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21130311)

Do you think that someone who spends more than $400 on a gaming system may be more likely to buy games on a regular basis than someone who buys a $250 gaming system? Do you think that systems which are selling so poorly because they exclusively targeted the "Hard-Core" gamer maybe sell more software because the small portion of the market that are "Hard-Core" gamers buy more games than the majority of gamers? Do you think that some people may have looked at the gaming drought (and low quality ports that were released by shitty third party developers) and decided to play some classic (and still enjoyable) virtual console games rather than support shitty developers?

The Wii's attach rate is really not bad when you compare it to the Playstation, PS2 and Gamecubes attach rates at a similar point in their life (and consider that the Wii comes with a pack-in game which will lower the number of games some people buy).

Seriously, next year these elitest gamers who have the misguided idea that the Wii's sales will just drop off or that third party developers care about attch-rates (see awful attach rate of PS2) are in for a rude awakening. 75% of PS2 owners spent less than $200 on the PS2 and at the rate Microsoft is dropping the price of the XBox 360 and the fact Sony is still losing hundreds on their $400 "Affordable" PS3 the PS3 and XBox 360 will (at best) sell at 25% to the PS2's audience; which means they will sell at the same level as the Gamecube did.

Re:The Wii is a christmas fad (1)

Piata (927858) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130423)

I skipped the last console generation because nothing really interested me. Over the years I've owned a Coleco, an Atari, Sega Genesis, N64 and done a lot of PC gaming. When the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube came out, I pretty much lost all interest in console gaming. Everything just felt the same with a new coat of paint and there were much better games on the PC. The Wii changed that for me. Yes there's going to be a low attach rate for casual gamers, but to be fair no one outside of Nintendo is really putting anything good out on the Wii. If every developer keeps putting out shitty ports and mini-game collections, of course no one is going to buy anything!

That said, I currently own Metroid Prime 3, Resident Evil 4, Rayman: Raving Rabbids, Zelda (TTP) and Mario Strikers. By the end of Christmas I'll likely own Mario Galaxy, Zak and Wiki, and whatever else might catch my fancy (Battalion Wars 2 looks intriguing).

I'm really curious how you came to the conclusion that diminishing Wii sales would give the gamers more choice and lower prices. [b]Wii games and the console are at a lower price point than MS and Sony[/b]. The wiimote creates potential for a whole new breed of games and ways to interact with entertainment.

If the Wii isn't your type of console, that's fine but don't spread FUD like "no one is happy with it!" I think it's great and it definitely has a much better catalogue of games than the PS3 which has yet to produce a game I might actually want to play. The install base for the Wii is huge and the problem is developers who don't know how to make good games that people want to play, not the people buying the console.

STFU Already (1)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129961)

Wii and PS3 owners claim 360 is not next-gen because 360 doesn't have neat motion controls.

PS3 owners claim Wii and 360 are not next-gen because they still use DVD9 storage for games.

360 owners claim Wii is not next gen because Wii can't output 720p.

360 and PS3 owners claim new PS3 is not next-gen because it can't play PS2 games.

It's getting old. Let's just agree that all of the systems are "next-gen" and fight the console war based on merit.

gameplay *is* graphics but... (1)

Flint Dragon (597473) | more than 6 years ago | (#21129979)

Wii fans completely disregards graphics. That's nonsense. Why can't they see that graphics DO make a game better as well as gameplay? I have a Sony WEGA tube tv and thought standard def programming was pretty nice and sharp. I recently, finally, got a HD signal to my tv and it does look better and I was happy with it. I didn't REALLY get excited about HD until I went to a friend's house to watch a football game in SD and was thinking, this picture is crap. It is fuzzy AND not have widescreen makes everything look cramped. That's when I started appreciating HD now. I played the latest Metroid Prime on the Wii. I dug the control interface using the Wiimote but I can only imagine how great the game *could* be on HD. Wii = "last-gen.5" because they would be truly next gen with HD graphics.

What about Spore, Will? (0, Flamebait)

p0tat03 (985078) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130099)

Hah, this is rich, coming from Will Wright of all people, the man behind Spore. Seriously, have you guys taken a look at the underlying technology behind Spore? We're talking about real-time animation and gait construction, procedural generation for EVERYTHING, from geometry to textures to AI behaviour, all the way down to your animations.

If anything, Spore is a prime example of all that "next-gen" power being harnessed to do great things for gameplay, instead of putting on just more shiny.

This also makes Spore the prime justification for having beefier CPUs, RAM, video cards, and a whole lot more bus bandwidth than we had before. I highly doubt Spore will run on a Wii, but it will for sure run on PS3 and 360. All that processing power is being put to good use, and he's complaining about MS/Sony making consoles that will actually be able to execute his idea, and pledging his allegiance to a piece of hardware that WON'T?

We are a LONG way from the day where our computers are so fast that nothing more can be done on the gameplay side with more performance. The fact that few developers are pushing their games in this direction is no reason to stop making our machines faster.

As an avid gamer but not hardcore... (1)

netsavior (627338) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130135)

I guess I am an avid gamer, but aparently not a hardcore one (all of my free time is spent on games, but not all of my money). I own aprox 500 Console games, my annual budget for console games is probably in the $400-$500 range. In other words, I play games when the price is right and I own many games from many generations. I bought a Wii and about 5 games, and I will probably not buy more till next year. I still have never owned an Xbox of any kind and do not have a PS3. The games I really want to play are still being released for PS2 and the new ones I care about are on the Wii. I bought a PS2 years after the fact, for GTA3 games. From what I read about GTA4 they have scaled back the flexability of gameplay in order to make it prettier, so it will probably not make me buy one of the 2 graphics machines out.

The Wii is revolutionary, admit it or not, it is.
No game, no system, no genre has been able to solve my biggest obsticle to gaming: Wife Aggro. The Wii solves this readily. My wife, my 2 year old son, my dad, my friends, we can all play Wii.
Last generation Nintendo was the only one of the big 3 to turn a profit on day 1 and day 500. They will continue to churn out their profit slowly and steadily like they always do. MS and Sony will continue to feed money into the advertising machine untill they turn a profit.

Turning 1 billion dollars into 1.2 billion dollars is not nearly as impressibe as turning 200 million dollars into 400 million dollars in my opinion, even though the end result is pretty much the same. But then again shiny things like HD Graphics don't really get my motor rolling.

'Only' Next Gen Console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21130189)

Okay, so a GameCube with some IR leds and a gyro is labeled as the 'only next gen console'? Suuuuuuure.

Disclaimer: I have a Wii and a PS3 and right now the Wii is simply collecting dust while I use the PS3 almost every day (movies, streaming videos from my laptop, playing the few good games currently out that have ONLINE CAPABILITIES, etc.)

Fuck Spore, where the hell is Little Big Planet?

Nonsense. (1)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130231)

Having played on the Wii a good bit now has convinced me that it isn't the revolutionary next step people claim it to be. Sure, it's got some great games and the controller is quite entertaining. The Wii, for me has provided a gaming experience no different from that offered by the Gamecube. What has made the console so approachable to non-gamers is not the controller but rather Nintendo's marketing and their game design. The controller may allow for some flexibility with game design, but not to the profound extent some believe.

Nintendo has sold the Wii, and to a lesser extent the DS, as being for non-gamers. And reinforcing this message they've developed games like Brain Age and Wii Sports. It's not that an Xbox360 or a PS3 couldn't be suitable to non-gamers, even without a fancy controller. It's that Microsoft and Sony haven't marketed their system as such, especially Sony. Recent marketing seems to indicate that Microsoft is trying to appeal to that market. Unfortunately, they don't yet have the sort of games yet that to that demographic.

Graphics certainly aren't the ultimate determining factor in whether a game is any good. I'm not looking for games to be photo-realistic and in fact, while impressive I find games done in that style to be quite bland. On the other hand, in this day and age I expect graphics to look crisp, especially coming from a PC gaming background. I can't tolerate a pixelated, hazy mess. I find it irritating that my DS isn't capable of doing much more than Doom-era 3D graphics. It apparently is completely incapable of doing transparencies in 3D, hence the lame particle effects.

One thing that strikes me about PS3 graphics is how impressive they are in person. It's at a point where they look like the touched up promotional graphics developers release during production. Although, I concede that doesn't change the fact that there aren't many compelling games available for the console. Those capabilities, however, do ensure that the PS3 will have better longevity than the Wii, provided good games are released soon.

This is not to put down the Wii at all. I think the Wii demonstrates Nintendo's commitment to a basic concept They entered this generation with a clear message and have stuck to it. They were willing to develop an unconventional controller. And they marketed their system well. Of course it helps that they also have their own game development division which does phenomenal work. Even if the Wii didn't have that controller it would likely still do well because of the games.

I think everyone will agree, it's the games that make the system.

Last Night I gave up PC Games for good (0, Flamebait)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21130245)

I own a 360 and it's awesome when it's not flashing the red ring of death like now. Mine is being repaired so I though I'd try PC Games. Opps.

So with my Xbox in-transit back to me I was having withdrawls not being able to play any games. I stopped by Gamestop and picked up Shadowrun for the PC.

Then I get home and try to install it and fine that it requires VISTA! Here is the kicker though. It is a Native DirectX 9 game that was written for XP! Bill Gates and his cronies decided to force their game studio to do Vista only releases. The install won't even run on XP. Luckily I found a crack. Then I had to update my Video Card Drivers to get it to run. Next I found that the game REQUIRES you to sign into Windows Live! What the... So I have a Gold account so I sign in. Then it asks for an update so I click yes. No-GO. It just gets stuck and then says I'm not connected to the Internet.

At this point I shake my fist at the sky and scream "I'll get you BILL!". Ok not really but something like that but with more obscenities. So then I read that the update will not work if you have more then one network interface installed. I had three. A Wireless which I used, a Wired NIC and a VPN Client. So I remove the other two and still no dice. Finally I read that the Cisco VPN client is buggy so I uninstall that. That knocks out my Internet Connection. I followed the damn guidlines right on ciscoDOTcom. I hate Cisco. So I reinstall the damn Internet Connection and run the game. Now it acts like it is updating. I am almost esstatic but a little too soon. The game updates, restarts and then asks me to upsate again, and again, and again. It's stuck in a loop.

At this time it was 10PM and I needed to work the next day so I packed it in and went to bed. So 3 hours of troubleshooting later and I still can't play the game that I paid for with my hard earned dollars.

I think I'll stick to console games from now on.
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