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Leopard Upgraders Getting "Blue Screen of Death"

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the they're-called-haxies-for-a-reason dept.

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Z80xxc! writes "Some Mac users upgrading to Apple's new Leopard operating system are encountering long delays on reboot — an experience they liken to the Windows 'Blue Screen of Death.' While some of those upgrading were able to access their computer after waiting for as long as several hours, others were forced to do a complete reinstall. Some suspect that a framework called 'Application Enhancer' by Unsanity LLC may be causing the problem, but there has been no official word from Apple at this point."

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Archive and install (4, Interesting)

sagefire.org (731545) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142199)

Archive and install!

It's the safest way to upgrade. Yes, it's less convenient, but way better than finding out that some 3rd party tweak is not compatible the hard way...

Re:Archive and install (0)

anethema (99553) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142211)

Describe this 'archive' you speak of. Do you mean just burning whatever files you want or do macs have a way of saving applications properly etc.

Re:Archive and install (5, Informative)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142257)

There are three options on any Mac OS install

  - Plain old upgrade. Just lays down the new OS on top of the old one

  - Archive and install. Takes a backup of your current stuff, lays down a clean OS, and recovers your stuff from the backup it made

  - Erase and install. Erases the disk/partition, and installs the OS.

(2) or (3) are the best option. I use (3) because my home directory is on a different disk to my boot disk, and I did that on purpose so I could do nice clean installs. (2) works well too though.

Re:Archive and install (0)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142461)

No point re-partitioning and/or re-formatting unless your partition table or your filesystem is b0rked.

Re:Archive and install (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142577)

I use (3) because my home directory is on a different disk to my boot disk, and I did that on purpose so I could do nice clean installs. (2) works well too though.

But don't you have to then reinstall all of your apps? That's like Win98 logic.

Re:Archive and install (4, Informative)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142767)

I use (3) because my home directory is on a different disk to my boot disk, and I did that on purpose so I could do nice clean installs. (2) works well too though.

But don't you have to then reinstall all of your apps? That's like Win98 logic.

Why would he - this is a Mac, not Windows.

Re:Archive and install (1)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142725)

There are three options on any Mac OS install

Just to clarify a bit, Most OSes have the same options.

Windows has the same three options: 'Upgrade' 'Clean Install with Everything Backed up in Old Folder' 'Clean Install Wiping Drive'.

Re:Archive and install (4, Informative)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142319)

On macs apps are self contained entities (normally) thus archiving means moving all the apps out of the application folder and into another folder. You can then at your leisure drag them back one by one.
It also moves all your preference settings and fonts to another folder, and cleans out the startup items list. (fonts and preferences are the only two things that normally leak beyond the app container (there's a few other exceptions for special apps, but as a rule installing an app does not barf all over your computer with DLLs and Registry hooks. On macs, the OS polls the App in Applications folder for its capabilities and files it likes to open, so the app does not need to modify a registry. as a result unistalls are normally as simple as dragging the app out of the application folder.

So after an archive and install you drag back the things you want to keep. The only hassle is sometimes you need to look for the associated preference setting which is where most apps store their activation key.

A few non apple apps behave linux like and shove things into /usr/local/bin or libs or /share/man. So restoring those takes a bit more work. But on the otherhand those are exactly the kind of Cruft you want to blow out between major system updates. So archive and install is the way to go in previous updates

Rumor was that apple worked hard to make the non-archive and install mode (update) smart enough to remove all the bad crap and leave the okay crap. Apparently not!

But if it is APE then well then that's kinda understandable its the singlemost invasive kernel mod of all.

APE is *not* a kernel mod. (2, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142739)

But if it is APE then well then that's kinda understandable its the singlemost invasive kernel mod of all.

APE is not a kernel mod. It runs entirely in user mode.

Re:Archive and install (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142255)

There have been plenty of issues with archive and install as well. Just backup your home directory to that lovely new HD you got for time machine, and then unplug it and Erase and Install Leopard. I had no issues.

Then restore the data from the backup drive, erase the backup drive and then you can turn on time machine.

See, those years of doing Windows upgrades finally paid off for something :P

Or, if you actually get the blue screen:

1. Reboot into single-user mode (hold Cmd-S while booting machine)
2. Follow the directions OSX gives you when you get to the prompt (I think these were them - just type the two commands it tells you to):
fsck -fy /
3. Remove the following files:
rm -rf /Library/Preference Panes/Application Enhancer.prefpane
rm -rf /Library/Frameworks/Application Enhancer.framework
rm -rf /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Application Enhancer.bundle
rm -rf /Library/Preferences/com.unsanity.ape.plist
4. Exit, to continue booting normally
exit

Via: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1195031&tstart=0 [apple.com]

Re:Archive and install (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142323)

Um, how the hell is this offtopic? Mods, put down the crack pipe.

Re:Archive and install (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142567)

Oh, yeah, you expect Aunt Tillie to be able to do that? All these command-line fixes just show how Mac OS X is not yet ready for the desktop, and how Linux is superior because "it just works." ;)

(Laugh. It's funny.)

 

Re:Archive and install (4, Informative)

shawnce (146129) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142843)

Safer to do the following given the spaces in the paths (or escape the spaces in the path using \)...

3. Remove the following files:
rm -rf "/Library/Preference Panes/Application Enhancer.prefpane"
rm -rf "/Library/Frameworks/Application Enhancer.framework"
rm -rf "/System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Application Enhancer.bundle"
rm -rf "/Library/Preferences/com.unsanity.ape.plist"

Funny (-1, Flamebait)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142317)

You seem to make out like apple would conciously allow ANYTHING not coded by them to work on one of their machines. Of course a third party tweak isn't going to be compatible, plus Macs are the only operating system I know where a third party app could actually take down the whole system during an upgrade. Wisen up, stick with pure apple or switch to linux.

Re:Funny (5, Informative)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142779)

If you had Linux apps that worked the way APE does, it would bring down the entire system, too. The only reason you don't is that Linux doesn't have a community of people who long for the olden days of Mac OS 9. I'll explain.

Back in Mac OS 9, apps didn't have protected memory, and thus you could write extensions to the OS that quite literally rewrote parts of applications and the OS itself. Mac OS X uses a more proper model like Linux. However, some people still want to do those sorts of mods to the OS. The result was that the Unsanity folks created APE. APE basically sits down at the linker level and starts an additional thread with its own code running inside the address space of the target application. This thread then loads plug-ins that modify the behavior of the app.

You should immediately see the problem with this. You have a bunch of people who don't have anything to do with the author of an application writing code that mass-modifies dozens of applications, libraries, etc., essentially doing binary patching on the running OS. There's no other phrase to describe this other than mind-bogglingly dangerous. In a biological comparison, it's like rewriting the genetic code of the entire planet using only a single person as a template---as soon as you hit a person with slightly different biology, the patch goes completely wrong. Similarly, when APE tries to operate on new versions of the OS, new versions of applications, new versions of frameworks and libraries, etc., it tends to result in cutting a path of destruction rather than enhancing anything.

What blows my mind is that APE isn't smart enough to check the OS version and NOT LOAD. It is truly unbelievable. How hard is it to say if [ "$(sw_vers -productVersion | sed -E 's/([0-9]+\.[0-9]+)\..*/\1/')" != "10.4" ] ; then syslog -s "unknown OS version." ; exit 0; fi? Every OS release, APE causes some sort of major problem for a lot of users. Every OS release, people just keep coming back and reinstalling it even after seeing the fallout. I just don't get it. It's like Stockholm Syndrome or something....

IMHO, the Unsanity team should be taken out and beaten with wet noodles until the mere sight of a Chinese restaurant causes them to have nightmares for a year.

Leaopard is great!!! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142465)

It's great to see Apple finally showing off to their users exactly the kind of programitic skills they have been showing us Windows users for years. Quicktime, iTunes, etc... no matter what it is, it has a huge chance of completely bricking a Windows machine.

The OSX side has achieved total parity with their Windows side!

BTW, I upgraded a few machines to Vista this week. It went smooth as butter. Maybe this is an opportunity for Apple users to "make the switch"...

Re:Archive and install (1)

bitserf (756357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142593)

This is what I did and I still encountered the blue screen.

Re:Archive and install (2, Informative)

sgant (178166) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142749)

That's the way I did it. Took about 25 minutes to install everything and I was back up and running with no problems.

The only thing I've changed is the 3D dock to a 2D dock. It looks nicer...even nicer than the old dock. I'm one of the few it seems to really like the new Stacks feature, but I understand the gripes of others that used nested folders (I never did). I love the new Finder and Spotlight...even though I'll still be using Quicksilver. Spaces is useful for me so far. All my applications are up and running with no problems.

The new Mail and Safari are VERY fast. Opening Mail now is instant now. Again, another "feeling" description: everything feels faster. I know, there's really no way to quantify that statement, but Leopard does seem to have sped up my system.

But hey, there are always problems in upgrading an OS. Does anyone remember when Apple came out with Tiger? Everyone was coming out of the woodwork saying "I'm sticking with Panther".

Leopard... (-1)

Brian Lewis (1011579) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142209)

Time to put the Leopard back in it's cage :)

Re:Leopard... (1)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142699)

Actually, I think any new OS will have child diseases... It is impossible to test the OS for every combination of hardware/software. OK, Apple have it relatively easy, because the number of hardware combinations is not so hight (almost everybody use Apple keaboards + Apple mouses, plus Apple programs on a MAc). AND THIS happens anyway, and not only once.... Imagine in what position Microsoft is when delivering a new OS to millions of combinations of machines which could be using some "Rockefeller modems" and "CheWonChue video cards" with some "Elemental Drain Ropes" software which installed a custom driver for a "Kim Ill Sun Audio card"... Anyway, when this happens to MS it is "defective by design" ot "hahaha". And I think on 2000, Vista and XP this happens amazingly rarely... Apple have less combinations to worry about, but few will laugh at them here anyway... They are not MS.

People don't do in-place upgrades on Windows. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142865)

Windows doesn't have this problem because people don't do straight in-place upgrades on Windows.

Biggest problem so far is airport disks (2, Informative)

johnjaydk (584895) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142221)

So far the biggest problem is with airport disks. The support is a bit wonky.

In addition Apple have pulled support for time machine on airport disks in the last minute. Big stinker. It's bad enough that Aperture can't use airport disks for vaults...

Re:Biggest problem so far is airport disks (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142393)

Airdisk probably isn't fast enough for it to be feasible.

Re:Biggest problem so far is airport disks (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142473)

time machine only backs up files that are actually changed. The initialization (when everything is copied) would be slow, but after that it wouldn't normally be a problem.

Re:Biggest problem so far is airport disks (0, Troll)

johnjaydk (584895) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142471)

Who the fuck thinks that's off topic? It's Leopards support for airport disks that sux ...

Actually, it may work (1)

hargettp (74445) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142491)

I upgraded to Leopard with my LaCie drive attached via Firewire, so that Time Machine would recognize it. I also let it set over night to do the full backup (which I think it did--saw 150GB disappear from that disk). Now today, that same LaCie drive is back where it belongs attached to Airport Extreme, and anytime that that volume shows up on the network, Time Machine seems to recognize it. That is, I am able to enter the Time Machine restore interface, and I can start or stop a backup.

I want to plug that drive back into my laptop directly over night, then see how it goes tomorrow. I am optimistic that as long as the initial set of backups are completed, the incrementals may be manageable via AEBS. Given that Macs always recognize volumes as the same regardless of whether they are attached directly or over the network, I'm hoping Time Machine won't mind.

Re:Actually, it may work (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142733)

Have you actually checked those incremental backups? Word is that you can trick Time Machine into recognizing AirDisks, and it will pretend to back up to them, but it fails to actually do any backing up during the process.

Re:Biggest problem so far is airport disks (1)

Amiga Trombone (592952) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142765)

So far the biggest problem is with airport disks. The support is a bit wonky.

Yep. Had that problem. First it saw it, then it didn't. Then it refused to log into my Airport network. Then it trashed my Keychain. Also had to re-install my printer drivers. Also an attempt to preview a file on a network attached disk, it spun for about 20 minutes before coming back with anything. Then spotlight took about an hour and a half to index a 90GB drive.

It's not a total disaster, it's just an old G4 iBook I use for email and iTunes, which thankfully both work. Still, I'll wait for a point release before I install it on any machine I actually use for work.

Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142223)

Though it's funny to imply that OSX gets blue screens of death it's really just a case of some third -party software not being compatible with the new operating system.

Re:Right... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142269)

Except that when it's windows, the comments are more along the lines of "the OS shouldn't let stuff like this happen! M$ is TOTALLY at fault here!!!1!1!!1!1"

Re:Right... (2, Insightful)

trifish (826353) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142327)

Yep, and it would be tagged as "defectivebydesign" and "haha". You know, MS is a near-monopoly so their products do deserve a good deal of good old unfair bashing...

I hate monopolies! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142565)

I hate monopolies, and I am posting from my Apple computer, which uses Apple's OSX, and has an Apple mouse, keyboard, and monitor. I connect wirelessly through my Apple router, email with my Apple webmail account. I'm also listening to music on my Apple iPod, which I purchased from my Apple iTunes account.

Damn that evil Microsoft monopoly!!! Always forcing everyone to use their products!!

Deserve the "unfair"? (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142783)

You know, MS is a near-monopoly so their products do deserve a good deal of good old unfair bashing...
How is it possible to "deserve" something "unfair"?

Re:Deserve the "unfair"? (1)

scottrocket (1065416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142871)

Turnabout.

Re:Right... (1)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142481)

Not when the third party application in question stand a very high chance of causing this behavior. From Applications Enhancer's website [unsanity.com] :

Once loaded, the APE module performs the needed modifications (such as redefining the minimize window action, or customizing the standard Apple menu) on the launched application memory space
In other words, it changes the executable code in memory of a running application. Gee, what are the odds that changing the underlying application would cause such a module to *not* wreak havoc on a system?

Pretty good, actually... (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142823)

Gee, what are the odds that changing the underlying application would cause such a module to *not* wreak havoc on a system?

Pretty good, actually, given that only a fraction of users have problems. It's when you're binary-patching the kernel at runtime that you really have to start worrying... I've done that, on occasion, once I was still up to my elbows in debuggers five minutes before a demo for the CEO because two drivers decided to give completely different entry points the same name. It's a shame that Apple makes it necessary to do this kind of shenanigans... and I wasn't planning on upgrading until after Unsanity had gotten their stuff working reliably under Leopard anyway.

happened to me :*( (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142225)

I was born and raised on a farm just south of Atlanta. Our
          farmhouse is one of the old style homes with a porch running around
          three sides of the first floor. I used to climb out on the porch roof
          and run around to the old apple tree on the side of the house when I
          wanted to get out without my parents seeing me. One night when I was
          sneaking out to go with some friends I passed by my younger sister's
          window and noticed that her shade wasn't pulled all the way down.
          Leaning down, I looked into her room to see her in front of her full
          length mirror dressed only in bra and panties. Apparently she was
          admiring her budding fourteen year old body since she twisted and
          turned, watching her reflection. She turned sideways and sucked in her
          breath, forcing her chest outward and her flat stomach even flatter.
          Her hands went to her breasts and she lifted them higher, watching the
          white flesh bulging out of the top of the cups. I decided that my
          friends would have to do without me that night, and I sat on the porch
          roof and watched her reach behind to unsnap her bra, letting the cups
          slide down her arms and onto the floor.

                  Her nipples were as big around as a silver dollar and the whole
          nipple stood out from her firm breast, but there was no evidence of the
          hard, pointed nipple like my girl friend has. She cupped her breasts
          and lifted and massaged them, watching all the time in the mirror. Her
          fingers pinched at the nipple flesh, rubbing and caressing the exciting
          redness. Rolling her panties off her legs, she opened the soft petals
          of her pussy with her fingers, watching the pink flesh appear through
          the soft brown down of her cunt hairs. She licked her finger and
          rubbed her clit, twisting it and poking as she watched with
          fascination, her juices starting to run down her soft, shapely thighs.
          Suddenly her hand started moving faster and faster, and I pulled my
          cock out and started rubbing along with her. As my cum spurted from my
          prick in long streams of sticky, hot fluid, she shuddered and came, her
          body jerking in response to the pleasure. From that night on, whenever
          she went to her bedroom, I would climb out on the roof and try to watch
          her. Fortunately for my schoolwork, she usually closed her shade so I
          could go back to my homework, but occasionally she left an inch or two
          uncovered and I could watch her undress and play with her body.

                  One night when my folks went to Atlanta to a party, she took my Lab
          upstairs when she went to bed. I was kind of ticked off anyway since I
          had to stay home on Friday to babysit, so I pouted in the den watching
          television. Then I remembered! I raced upstairs and out onto the
          roof. I could see from the light on the roof that the shade was
          partially open so I crept up to the window. Kathy was on her back on
          the edge of the bed with her legs spread wide as Prince licked her
          cunt, his long pink tongue painting her entire pussy with each stroke.
          I could hear the slushing sounds as his saliva mixed with her pussy
          juices, the overflow dripping off her ass onto the floor. Her fingers
          were busy caressing her tits, pulling and squeezing the prominent
          nipple flesh as her body convulsed in orgasm. Excited by the taste and
          aroma of her juices, Prince's cock was poking pinkly from his black
          crotch, and he tried to mount her, but she resisted, sitting up and
          stroking his head. She got off the bed and sat at his side. She
          coated her tits with peanut butter and brought Prince's mouth to her
          tits. His tongue flicked out and licked the sticky substance from her
          body while she jacked him off with her hand. She dipped her hand into
          the jar and coated her cunt with the brown butter, drawing Prince's
          head to her crotch as she lay face up below him, her dainty hand still
          jacking his prick. As the ball rose in the dog's prick, Kathy started
          to twist and squirm from the pleasure of his cunt licking. Long
          streams of cum shot from his cock and coated her chest and stomach as
          she hunched her pussy into the air, groaning with the pleasure as the
          second wave of orgasm wracked her young body. Watching her getting it
          on with my dog caused me to cum twice also, but I was still hard when
          she turned off the lights and got into bed, Prince sleeping on the rug
          by her bed.

                  I waited for her to have plenty of time to get to sleep and then
          turned off all the lights in the house. I carefully opened her door
          and crept into her room on hands and knees. Prince's tail started
          wagging and hitting the floor, so I had to quiet him by stroking his
          massive black head. I crept closer to the bed and listened to the even
          sounds of her sleep as I touched her arm gently to make sure she was
          sound asleep. I raised the cover and sheet, putting my head under with
          my small flashlight in my mouth. Her pajamas had small buttons down
          the front, with snaps on the front of her bottoms. Her breasts poked
          the front of her pjs into twin peaks of beautiful roundness as I
          carefully undid three buttons, exposing an inch of tender flesh to her
          navel. Gently, I pulled the top back to each side, completely exposing
          her small but magnificent breasts. Her beautiful, large nipples looked
          as if they were begging to be sucked, and it was all I could do to
          restrain myself. I licked one finger and rubbed the moistness into her
          sensitive flesh, making one nipple gleam in the flash light.

                  She twisted in her sleep, her legs spreading slightly so that I
          could see a few tufts of light brown hair through the loose legs of her
          panties. I took my cock out and began stroking as I carefully pulled
          her pants leg to one side, exposing her entire slit. Downy light brown
          hair was only starting to cover her cunt, so her pink pussy lips shone
          in my flashlight, and I could smell her erotic aroma. My hand beat
          faster and faster, drawing the third blast of cum that night. As I
          rubbed the sticky white cum into my skin, I felt Prince's tongue
          licking my fingers and the knob of my cock! The unexpected warmth and
          wetness was fantastic, and I started cumming even again as his tongue
          licked the entire length of my shaft.

                  Completely sated, I suddenly realized what I was doing. If Kathy
          awakened or if my folks came home, I was dead. Gently I slipped out of
          the covers and crept to the hallway, with Prince following behind.
          Softly closing her door, I ran to the kitchen and got the jar of jelly
          and took Prince to my room. I coated my cock and balls with grape
          sweetness and let Prince lick and suck the purple passion from my
          shaft. Once I was soaking wet from his saliva, I spread jelly on my
          crotch, from my balls to my ass hole and let him lick it while I
          masturbated. The sensation of his tongue on my ass hole and balls was
          more than I could stand, and I forced his head over my cock as I
          started to spurt once again. The warm wetness of his mouth was
          wonderful as I came for the fourth time that night. And I had been mad
          because I wasn't going to be able to have any fun!

                  That afternoon, my mother told me I was going to have to babysit
          again that evening because my father was in the working on a "big deal"
          and they had to go to Atlanta again to meet with his prospective
          partners. I had to argue and sulk or she would immediately get
          suspicious, but secretly I was excited at the prospect of repeating my
          erotic encounter of the night before. Mentally and secretly I urged
          Kathy to go upstairs and get ready for bed. She was lying on the floor
          in front of the TV with her calves in the air. From my position, I
          could see the crotch of her white cotton panties under her short skirt
          and just the hint of the thrust of her breast pushing out the front of
          her sweater.

                  At 9:00 she reached up and turned the TV off, rolling onto her side
          and spreading her legs so that her skirt bunched up at her waist,
          completely exposing her crotch. "I enjoyed what you did last night,"
          she said. "After you left, I rubbed myself off two more times. But
          you've seen me and I haven't seen you. I want to see you and touch
          your thing while you touch me again." She got up and told me to wait,
          leaving the room and walking to the stairs.

                  I started rubbing my prick through my jeans and I could feel it
          growing down my left leg, the shaft squeezing through the tight, blue
          material. I heard Kathy walking down the stairs and she appeared
          before me in her pajamas, the same ones that she had had on the
          previous night. "Take off your shirt," she said, and I complied.
          "Don't touch me," she warned as her fingers explored my chest and
          shoulders. Her fingers went to my nipples and she rubbed and prodded
          them, asking, "Are they as sensitive as mine?" As I nodded "yes" she
          pinched one between her fingers saying, "Sometimes I like to pinch mine
          hard. It makes my pussy tingle and start to get wet." I felt the
          sharp pain radiate to my cock, and it grew even more.

                  "Oooh, did I hurt you? Let me kiss it and make it well." Her
          mouth descended to my nipple and I felt her warm lips engulf the hard
          skin and her tongue licking its tender surface. "Does that feel good?
          I like it when Prince licks mine," she said as she stepped back and
          began to unbutton her pajama top. Holding the front together she
          asked, "Do you think my breasts are funny looking? All the other girls
          have hard, pointed nipples and mine are just one rounded shape. Mine
          are larger than theirs and all of my nipple pokes out, not just the
          tip." I assured her that her breasts were exciting and beautiful. I
          told her that I wanted to kiss hers just like she kissed mine.

                  She took her top off and cupped her breasts in her hands, pinching
          her nipples between her finger and thumb, pulling the tender flesh out
          from her body. I reached for her breasts and began to stroke the soft
          mounds of white teenage flesh. At fourteen, her breasts were still
          growing and there was no sag. They were shaped like melon halves, and
          were nearly as firm. She put her hands on top of mine and crushed her
          breasts with my palms, rubbing the firmness up and down as my calloused
          skin drug her tits along. "Suck them," she commanded as her hands
          forced my head to her chest. I opened my mouth and took her entire
          tit, licking the nipple as I sucked her breast. I could feel the ridge
          of her nipple against my tongue as my saliva bathed the soft whiteness,
          making it slippery and shiny.

                  "I want you to bite them," she said, pulling her tit from my
          sucking mouth. I took her nipple between my front teeth and nibbled
          softly, pulling at her tenderness gently. "Harder!" she commanded
          through clenched teeth, and I increased the pressure on the sensitive
          skin at the base of her nipple. She grabbed my head and twisted and
          pulled it, causing my teeth to drag and pull on her nipple as she
          moaned, "Enough! I can't take any more. Kiss it and make it well."

                  I opened my mouth and began to lick and gently suck the blood back
          into her tortured flesh as her hands started to unbuckle my belt and
          unzip my jeans. Stepping back, she told me to take my pants off. I
          shoved my jeans down and took off my shoes and socks. As I stood, my
          cock poked toward her like a flag pole, its surface red and shiny. Her
          small hand reached out and touched just the head of my cock as she
          giggled, "It looks like a mushroom." Her soft hand stroked its entire
          length and played with my balls. "They're funny," she said as her
          fingers tested the contents of my bag. A small bead of cum appeared in
          the slit and gleamed as her finger smeared it all over my knob. She
          put the finger in her mouth, tasting my cum. "Its kind of salty," she
          said, "but I think I like the taste." Putting both hands on my shaft,
          she inquired, "Can I make it squirt? If I keep rubbing you, will it
          cum?" I nodded "yes" as her soft white hands jerked my bone hard cock,
          making my sperm rise out of my balls and shoot pearls of whiteness onto
          her stomach and hands. Rubbing my cock on her belly, she looked at me
          and asked, "Can I kiss it?" She leaned down and let her tongue flick
          pinkly out at my cock, caressing the head with its warmth. God, this
          was much better than Prince!

                  Leaning back, she looked at me and asked if I liked having her lick
          my cock. Nodding "yes", she stood and asked if I would lick her also.
          As I reached for her, she quickly unsnapped the front of her pajama
          bottoms and let them drop to the floor, reaching down and spreading her
          pussy lips. "I want you to lick me," she said, spreading her legs and
          fingering her clit. I knelt at her feet and touched her clit with my
          tongue. Her aroma was overpowering, and I really didn't mind the taste
          of her pussy as my cock continued to revive.

                  "That's it. Lick my button. Suck it into your lips and work it
          with your tongue," she whispered as I continued to lick and tongue her
          cunt. I ran my tongue down her crack to her vagina, letting my tongue
          snake wetly up her pussy as she moaned softly, "Oooooh yes! Stick your
          tongue inside me. Suck up my juices." I felt a furry head pushing
          against mine and another, larger tongue sloshing inside her cunt.
          Prince had come into the room and was trying to get his mouth on her
          pussy. Her body shuddered and twisted as she climaxed, her sweet pussy
          juices flowing into my mouth. Her legs gave way and she collapsed on
          the couch, her ass hanging over the side, and Prince and I competed for
          her pussy.

                  "Let me lick yours while Prince licks me," she offered. I climbed
          up and put my cock at her mouth, watching the dog continue to lick her.
          She moaned again and came in waves of pleasure while her tongue and
          lips continued to caress my bone-hard prick.

                  Suddenly, Prince reared up and put his front paws on each side of
          her body and drove his slim prick into her soaking pussy. She tried to
          scramble away, but he had her impaled on his pink cock, hunching up and
          down rapidly. "Oh God! I can feel the ball inside me. It's rubbing
          up and down," she said as the dog continued fucking her, faster and
          faster. Finally, Prince jerked quickly as his spunk shot up into her
          virginal cunt, filling her pussy with his sperm. As he came, I started
          cumming in her mouth and she let my cock drip its whiteness on her face
          as Prince started licking my knob.

                  Later that same evening, Kathy sat on my cock and let Prince shove
          his prick into her ass hole. But that's another story.

Re:happened to me :*( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142499)

you got the name of the dog wrong.
his name was OBVIOUSLY "el qaeda". look for a upgrade soon.

jesus h christ (3, Insightful)

deathtopaulw (1032050) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142243)

people are so fucking stupid
"oh no this 3rd party application which adds dubious and useless enhancements to my system is causing my computer to not work upon upgrading to a completely new version!"
bust out the slashdot article I guess

Re:jesus h christ (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142307)

Using APE is an insanity of the first order anyway. Dealing with Unsanity's refusal to help is what made me dump all their products.

Me: "Hi APE is causing crashes on my mac"
Unsanity: "No it's not, it can't. This is why.... "
Me: "OK, that makes sense thanks"

two weeks later

Me: "Hi, APE definitely is causing crashes on my mac"
Unsanity: "No, it can't be, because... "
Me: "I just did a fresh install. it survived multiple reboots in its completely standard configuration. I installed APE, now X, Y and Z all crash"
Unsanity: "Well it's not APE, because APE does ... "
Me: "I removed APE, and instantly it's working again"
Unsanity: "Well it can't be APE, because ... "
Me: "Fuck you"

Mod parent up (5, Interesting)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142403)

This is hardly the first time Unsanity's stuff has caused problems with a new version of OS X. If people are too damned dumb to uninstall their unsupported-hack add-ons before upgrading, that's their problem, not Apple's.

And no matter how much better OS X is than Windows w/r/t the "it just works" aspect, things can and do still go wrong sometimes. A little pre-upgrade basic system maintenance never hurts (at least repair permissions and verify/repair the target disk from Disk Utility on the Leopard CD), and neither does making a bootable clone of the system in case you have to revert.

~Philly

Re:jesus h christ (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142425)

"oh no this 3rd party application which adds dubious and useless enhancements to my system is causing my computer to not work upon upgrading to a completely new version!"

I've had these dubious and useless enhancements added to my Macs for years. 0 problems to date. These enhancements are tied very closely to the OS rev, and I would not expect them to work past an OS change.

Re:jesus h christ (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142447)

I can't understand why anybody who considered their Mac to be more than just a toy would even think about installing something like APE.

Re:jesus h christ (1)

Nigel_Powers (880000) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142561)

So tell me...

Does this APE shit have to be intentionally installed by users?

For example, I've never even heard of it before this. What are the chances that it's on my iMac?

Re:jesus h christ (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142675)

APE is a third party product that is not a part of OS X.

However, recently Logitech has started using APE as a part of their driver package for their mice and keyboards, in effect installing something known to cause headaches behind people's backs.

Therefore the many people that use Logitech products may have APE without explicitly having installed it.

Either way, I can hardly see how Apple is at fault.

Re:jesus h christ (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142701)

Does this APE shit have to be intentionally installed by users?
It's usually flung at you. It will stick to your system if you don't clean it soon enough.

Almost... (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142639)

It's "this 3rd party application which adds absolutely essential enhancements to my system isn't compatible with he new OS".

Re:jesus h christ (2)

goldspider (445116) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142641)

Why not? It's not as if Windows gets a pass around here when poorly-written 3rd-party apps cause a kernel dump.

Re:jesus h christ (1)

bitserf (756357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142793)

This reminds of the Automatix debacle on Ubuntu - Have people forgotten that? Or does Ubuntu get a free pass because it is Linux? :) Third party applications that muck with the system in unsupported ways are bound to cause these kinds of problems. All I know is, I'm not installing that APE crap again.

the offical word from unsanity is it's broken (5, Informative)

bombastinator (812664) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142285)

Unsanity is officially listed by the company not to worik with 10.5

http://www.wire-heads.com/istrip/index.php?strip_id=26

Leopard install with Application Enhancer (4, Informative)

conspirasseur (1119387) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142291)

I have done this on two Macs so far, my PowerBook G4 @1.5 GHz and a G5 iMac @2.1 GHz Both have Application Enhancer as well as Fruit Menu, WindowShade X and other Unsanity products installed. They still show up in System Preferences, but are not functioning. I'm hoping for updates soon. However, their presence in my systems had no ill effect on my Leopard upgrades.

Application Enhancer is trouble (2, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142293)

I had used Application Enhancer for a while, but Photoshop became very crash-prone; a friend reported Safari crashes after installing it. I wouldn't suggest it to anyone.

Also, rule of thumb: 100% clean installs are always the safe way to go. Back up your stuff, wipe the HD, then restore as needed.

Re:Application Enhancer is trouble (1)

UnxMully (805504) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142531)

Also, rule of thumb: 100% clean installs are always the safe way to go. Back up your stuff, wipe the HD, then restore as needed.

I couldn't agree more, though in my case I use a upgrade as an opportunity to clean my system of any of the junk I've installed and not used since the last upgrade. This time it was Office 2004 (replaced with iWork 08) and Thunderbird (rec.sport.rugby.union was getting bad for my blood pressure) plus a whole host of other utilities and bits and pieces I've tried and used once. Not that having them there causes problems, I just like to tidy up now and again.

Re:Application Enhancer is trouble (2, Insightful)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142557)

Also, rule of thumb: 100% clean installs are always the safe way to go. Back up your stuff, wipe the HD, then restore as needed.

Unfortunately, it then takes many hours to reinstall all the little utilities and applications and settings one has come to depend on.

Re:Application Enhancer is trouble (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142685)

go get a Mac and learn the easy way of life.

Since the majority of OS X applications are really nothing more than special folders, you can drag and drop them to the new system as fast as you can copy them. when you run the app it will look for new preference settings and failing to find them will result in the default state back but prefence files are stored in one directory in your home directory. you can copy them to.

you don't spend hours reinstalling apps off of CD's and looking for obtuse serial numbers. that's only for the backwards that is windows. Hell Linux you can do something similar most of the time.

Re:Application Enhancer is trouble (4, Informative)

AusIV (950840) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142869)

Hell Linux you can do something similar most of the time.

I'm not aware of anything quite as straightforward as copying files to an external hard drive and copying them back, but with Ubuntu it goes something like this:

$ dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log
Then on the new system:

# dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.lo
# dselect
Then Ubuntu goes back to the repositories and grabs everything again.

Then don't be a pioneer. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142695)

If you're using a lot of OS extensions, then don't be a pioneer. Let other people install early.

Re:Application Enhancer is trouble (1)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142743)

while that is, for the most part true, I think it points out a larger problem that apple has, for the most part, addressed - why can't the OS come bundled with "all the little utilities and applications" you've come to depend on? aside from professional audio recording software and a GUI FTP client, I don't have much software that I use regularly at all that didn't come with the mac - as for your settings, they can be exported on a mac (maybe on windows too - I don't really know it that well) - would be neat to get to a world where the CD that comes with your computer has all the programs you need on it ....
-w

How has Apple addressed this? (1, Interesting)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142849)

I think it points out a larger problem that apple has, for the most part, addressed - why can't the OS come bundled with "all the little utilities and applications" you've come to depend on?

How has Apple addressed this when two of the Haxies I use, as well as two kernel modules I've installed, are there to work around problems Apple themselves are responsible for?

Blue screen of pre life - DEFECTIVE BY DESIGN! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142297)

Any OS that needs address space randomization, app signing, and a sandbox to protect people from the executables they download must be DEFECTIVE BY DESIGN!

sums it up nicely: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142325)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard [wikipedia.org]
-
few key words: "the smallest of the four 'big cats", "Leopards that are melanistic", "it has disappeared from much of its former range " ...

Safe Mode (5, Informative)

Monkeys with Guns (1002565) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142339)

Anyone experiencing this should try holding shift while booting. Any additional frameworks, kexts, and whatever will be left out and the system will boot cleanly. If that works, then the offending software should show up in a log and can be identified and removed.

There is no need to reinstall when something can be removed easily with a safe boot. Too bad Apple doesn't talk up safe booting more so people will know it is there.

come on, Apple, move into the 21st century (5, Insightful)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142763)

Too bad Apple doesn't talk up safe booting more so people will know it is there.

Too bad Apple doesn't do the user-friendly thing, which is to offer users "safe mode" when the previous boot failed. That's what both Linux and Windows do, and it's the right thing to do (well, even better would be detecting and disabling broken extensions, but I guess that's too hard for any of them).

When posting replies to this article (0, Flamebait)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142345)

Just remember, if windows got taken down by a third party app, not only would you be screaming and shouting about bill gates and phalluses, but also you would be baying for the blood of anyone who dare use windows. Hippocracy is not pretty people (unless you are wearing purple, in which case it totally complements the outfit)

Re:When posting replies to this article (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142375)

Hippocracy is not pretty people

I don't see what hippos have to do with this, but if you're making some comparison about the weight and gracefulness of a hippo with MS then I'm with you...

Re:When posting replies to this article (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142433)

"Hippocracy is not pretty"

Hippos may eat apples but they sure aren't pretty animals.

Re:When posting replies to this article (5, Funny)

ORBAT (1050226) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142463)

Hippocracy? Is that the system of government where horses are the ruling class?

Don't be surprised when the dept of oats and grain (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142519)

Has a budget of billions of dollars.

Lets not even think about how much they will spend on the dept of Apples, Carrots and Molasses.

Re:When posting replies to this article (1, Insightful)

astrosmash (3561) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142505)

Just remember, if windows got taken down by a third party app, not only would you be screaming and shouting about bill gates and phalluses, but also you would be baying for the blood of anyone who dare use windows.

No I wouldn't, James. Who are you talking about? Care to provide an example?

Neither Slashdot readers, Apple users, nor Microsoft users operate as a collective unit. Just because User B says something that contradicts User A, it does not make either a "hippo"-crite.

Re:When posting replies to this article (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142601)

Just remember, if windows got taken down by a third party app, not only would you be screaming and shouting...

Not under circumstances like this, we wouldn't. Some of Unsanity's programs are pretty invasive little things that fuck around with the OS in ways that Apple doesn't support. From their site:

What exactly is Application Enhancer? It is a combination of a Framework and a system daemon. Application Enhancer performs its task by loading plugins (Application Enhancer modules) containing executable code into the running applications. Once loaded, the APE module performs the needed modifications (such as redefining the minimize window action, or customizing the standard Apple menu) on the launched application memory space, never touching any files on disk, utilizing set of functions defined in the Application Enhancer framework.

So yeah, if you have even a vague understanding of what this product does, it shouldn't be any surprise that it could cause problems if you threw it on a new/unknown version of the operating system. This isn't just a "3rd party application". It's not like if Windows crashed when you installed Firefox (which Microsoft would get criticized for), but more like if Windows crashed when you tried to use an obscure and invasive 3rd party WindowsXP hack on Windows Vista (which Microsoft would not get criticized for).

And it's not even clear that OSX itself crashed (as in a kernel panic). For as few details are available, it could just be that Finder or the installer crashed, which wouldn't be surprising if APE is screwing around with those applications' memory space.

Re:When posting replies to this article (1)

JamesRose (1062530) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142703)

So yeah, if you have even a vague understanding of what this product does,
In my experience, general slashdot trollery about Windows wouldn't stop to find out what the program does.

iBSOD (4, Funny)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142369)

It really IS catching up with Vista!

Clean Install (3, Informative)

cyberbian (897119) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142401)

Any time there is a major OS version, it's foolhardy to 'Upgrade' in that there is no way for the vendor (in this case Apple) to possibly test for each potential configuration. While it's true that this may make the move to a new platform base take longer (with needed software reinstallation) it's the best way to ensure a smooth transition, and also assist the end-user AND the software vendors in question to bug squash.

It's easy to point fingers, and the upgrade process should in truth be discontinued altogether (imco) and rather provide utilities that will help a user migrate personal settings and preferences to a new build via a back-up utility of some type. To be fair, Apple does a GREAT job by providing the archive and install method which goes half-way but does not provide the opportunity to 'archive and clean install' which would be the ideal case.

For myself, I can't wait to step into the time machine, and also get the new features available in the OS X Server product.

Um, they DO that. (0, Redundant)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142611)

It's easy to point fingers, and the upgrade process should in truth be discontinued altogether (imco) and rather provide utilities that will help a user migrate personal settings and preferences to a new build via a back-up utility of some type.

Archive and install.

is microsoft to blame? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142429)

My wife recently underwent minor surgery and as a result, we had to cool our
sexual relations. At first I said I could live with a abstinence and her
nightly handjobs. But with each passing day, I felt hornier and hornier, like
an eighteen year old. Luckily I was able to find some satisfaction and relief
in the arms of Nancy.

She's twenty and a sight for my sore horny eyes. As a receptionist, she's more
than capable on the job. As a casual sex partner, she's above average. I've
been an ass man for the the longest time and would get a thrill watching Nancy
parade her pussy around the office. She always wears tight slacks and when I
focus on the lines of her panties I just about bite through my lower lip. One
night, she had agreed to help with extra paper work. As we talked, I told her
of my wife's recuperation. Nancy was genuinely concerned and sympathized when I
casually mentioned out current kick of abstinence.

She blushed a little but was really turned on. She came up to me, pressing her
pussy against my groin. "I can understand what you're going through right now.
And besides, I wouldn't mind getting it on with you. I'd enjoy it."

"An older man?"

She yanked my hammer. "A better man."

I wrapped my arms around her and we started tongue kissing. It wasn't long
before her clothes were piled in a heap next to mine. I took a long moment to
admire her nymph like beauty. Parting her thighs, she lowered herself once I
sat between her legs. She was really in her prime, her pretty pink pussy
dripping with sweet tasting juices. I brought her off with my mouth and Nancy
said it was the first time a guy was able to do that. Grateful and more than
eager to please, she asked, "How can I give you pleasure?"

I touched her asshole and she squirmed. "Alright," she whispered getting on all
fours.

Her white ass was soft to my touch. I buried my face between those satiny
cheeks and lubricated her opening first with my tongue, then with a finger of
pussy juice. That relaxed her and that beautiful beige asshole puckered,
spreading wider and wider. She was hot, gently gyrating her ass in my face and
moaning. When the bulbous head of my dick brushed her back door, she sobbed. I
worked my way in slowly so as not to hurt her. When I eased in most of the way,
I started pumping nice and steady. She met my thrusts by pounding her buttocks
against me and urging me all the way. I hammered good and hard, flooding her
hole with my cum. After resting fifteen minutes, Nancy and I did it again.

Re:is microsoft to blame? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142575)

So "you" are Apple, right? And "Nancy" is the customer, getting a right royal reaming in your hands? Which maybe makes Vista the sick wife who just isn't up to the job anymore?

Or maybe "Nancy" is Apple, and "you" are MS, violating Apple with your throbbing mighty marketshare and making them realise that they'll never be more than a casual flirtation? And I suppose Vista is still the sick cripple?

Ah, forget it...

Boot verbosely (5, Informative)

kithrup (778358) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142487)

Command-v during the boot chime (or "sudo nvram boot-args=-v" to set it permanently). This shows a lot of "scary" unixy output, but it's great for diagnosing a boot problem.

Of course, I'm a cli guy :).

Java 6 NOT included in Leopard (0, Offtopic)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142493)

Lots of people are pissed off about this:

http://javablasphemy.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Re:Java 6 NOT included in Leopard (1)

bitserf (756357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142693)

Well, why doesn't Sun provide downloads for Java 6? Can't expect Apple to do all the work for *Sun*'s product.

Re:Java 6 NOT included in Leopard (3, Interesting)

ValentineMSmith (670074) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142817)

It would be wonderful if it worked that way. However, Apple has decided that they (not Sun) will be the source of Java for Mac boxes. This moderately irritates me in that I'm a Java developer, and would like to be able to test with Java 6. So, to do so, I have to keep a copy of Parallels and Ubuntu around.

who cares? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142495)

apple users are a bunch of rump roasting faggots. i hope they get the gas chamber.

How is this anything like a BSOD? (3, Informative)

devjj (956776) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142503)

It isn't. A kernel panic is the Mac OS X equivalent of a BSOD. If the machine takes hours to launch after an upgrade, or doesn't launch at all, it's a different kind of failure. I speak from first-hand experience, as this happened to me. Thankfully I keep good daily backups.

Here's the fix (2, Interesting)

nilbog (732352) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142507)

You can either give up on an upgrade and do a fresh install or an archive/install. If you want to be able to upgrade, try this to manually get rid of APE: Please note that this does involve manipulation of files from the root prompt. This is not for the faint-of-heart, or those who are unfamiliar with the UNIX file system/command structure. 1. Reboot into single-user mode (hold Cmd-S while booting machine) 2. Follow the directions OSX gives you when you get to the prompt (I think these were them - just type the two commands it tells you to): fsck -fy / /sbin/mount -uw / 3. Remove the following files: rm -rf /Library/Preference Panes/Application Enhancer.prefpane rm -rf /Library/Frameworks/Application Enhancer.framework rm -rf /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Application Enhancer.bundle rm -rf /Library/Preferences/com.unsanity.ape.plist 4. Exit, to continue booting normally exit

Oh, irony... (4, Funny)

xyankee (693587) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142543)

What makes this all the more ironic is that in the new CoverFlow Finder, PCs on the network are displayed with a Blue Screen of Death [rose-hulman.edu] ... teeeheee!

Re:Oh, irony... (1)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142663)

I think the funniest part of this easter egg, is that it is a screen shot of the BSoD from Windows 95/98. So for Apple to mock MS they have to go after a 10 year old OS, when Apple was still using horrible System 9. Ouch...

They should have a least used an NT based BSoD, that would have been more funny.

More stupidity that Apple fanboys love --- (1)

barbam (1134455) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142845)

OOOOOOH!!! MICROSOFT BSOD IN WINDOWS 95!!! OOOOOHHH PING OF DEATH!!!! OOHHHHH, MICROSOFT BAD AND UNSTABLE!!!! Give me a break. Server 2k3 / XP / Vista are as good or better than any competing OS when it comes to stability.

Not so funny now eh, Apple? :P (1)

bitserf (756357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142579)

Yep, I got it - I didn't have the patience to wait that long, so since I had backups, just whacked everything and did a clean reinstall.

For a while I was worried though, since I had dropped my MacBook about 3 feet the day before, and thought it was a hardware problem.

best practices (2, Informative)

squarefish (561836) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142589)

1) backup your home directories [apple.com] first
2) do not let the install do a straight upgrade, use the archive and install option or erase/install if you have reliable backups and can afford a little risk and a little more work
3) remove any programs that integrate themselves with the OS (hint: these will often add new preference options to the system preferences pane). These programs almost always have issues during an upgrade and are often not supported right away by new operating systems due to their nature.

These are just some basic guidelines, but if you have any specific questions or concerns, ask Apple and search for answers prior to installation. Not rocket science, but most users have never upgraded their own OS before and Apple makes it appear that anyone can do it without the slightest worry. That's close to the truth, but not close enough.

Apple does seem to be having a lot of... (-1, Flamebait)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142591)

... quality issues lately. Releasing problematic version of its flagship operating system doesn't help.

Unfortunately for Apple, it's OS competitor has a much better track record in the quality of new releases.

indeed (4, Funny)

m2943 (1140797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142827)

Unfortunately for Apple, it's OS competitor has a much better track record in the quality of new releases.

You're right: Ubuntu kicks Apple's ass not just in terms of included functionality, graphics, and price, but also in terms of smooth upgrades.

This seems like pilot error. (2, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142669)

There are similar Windows applications that modify the OS. They have been known to not work on new versions of the OS. Even the most extreme Microsoft skeptic wouldn't say it was Microsoft's fault if Windowblinds had to be upgraded to work with Vista.

If you're doing an upgrade to the OS, and you're using any third party system extensions, you remove them before you upgrade. That's pretty basic.

Deceptive summary (2, Insightful)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142691)

I was worried when I first saw it until I found that it was a 3rd party app causing the issue. The summary would lead me to believe it was a defect in Leopard. It would be nice to mention it's a 3rd party issue and not Apple's fault in the summary.

Works fine for me (1)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142751)

But then again i read about Unsanity and what Application Switcher was doing. Simply put if you read what the makers say about their own software you wouldnt run it during an upgrade. That is all.

Awful summary (1)

belg4mit (152620) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142771)

It conflates two issues, BSOD and lag. I was about to lmbaste Mac users for stupidly confusing the two,
but after checking the article it was only the submitter and editor.

I'm new... (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142781)

to OS X and Macs (bought my first Mac, it is a Macbook, last night on newegg and it will probably have Tiger on it anyway) so forgive my ignorance but does this Application Enhancer come with OS X Leopard? It sounds like it is an application that some users would already have installed as a separate installation from a previous OS X version and it just happens to cause issues once Leopard is installed. If this is a wrong assumption and Application Enhancer is part of Leopard, why would Apple bundle something like that if it isn't certified by Unsanity as being compatible with 10.5?

fuck you apple faggots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21142787)

serves you right for being a bunch of fag bitches. too bad you weren't sent to a special camp for fags so that you couldn't mingle with the real people. faggots are costing us more than the iraq war! faggots need to go!

More Apple Junk- (0, Troll)

barbam (1134455) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142789)

What do you know, more stuff from Apple that disappoints / breaks / sucks. I can't believe how many idiots out there have bought Apple products! The iPhone is junk. Looks like this OS is junk. It's amazing how stupid people are.

3 Upgrades, no significant issues (1)

topham (32406) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142833)

I've upgraded 3 Machines, all Intel based and haven't had any significant issues. I did however have a significant delay while doing the install on my iMac. It took about 30-45 minutes once the install application said "About a minute". Other than that delay everything went perfectly smooth.

Although I still have to upgrade my G5; and that could turn out differently.

Unsanity's APE is a nasty hack (4, Informative)

iliketrash (624051) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142841)

Unsanity's Application Enhancer uses the debugger framework to access and modify an application's memory space. Since Leopard randomizes memory, one might expect that trouble would ensue.

The Unsanity hacks have been a source of trouble for many users for several years. Unsanity has vehemently denied that their products are the trouble, and by a twisted piece of logic, it is the application itself which is misbehaving when things go wrong. It's not hard to find heated discussions of these things on message boards and sites like versiontracker.com and macupgrade.com. The source of the disagreements might be related to how long a person leaves an application open, with the probability of mayhem increasing with time since launch. These remarks relate to pre-Leopard versions of the OS; it seems that Unsanity is finally caught with their pants down and no place to crap.

Shocked! (1)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21142867)

OMG, hacks that aren't even supported on the old version of the OS can cause problems on the new versions of the OS? This is a rather disturbing turn of events. Next thing you know you won't be able to randomly yank out pieces of hardware while the system is booting!

Unsanity is a company that basically does nothing but make products guaranteed to cause crashes and instability by doing crazy things to system-level components, all for the sake of bling. If you're running their "haxies" (gag, whoever came up with that word needs to be kicked in the groin repeatedly) you're asking for trouble on any version of Mac OS. This is not news, this is the status quo.
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