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Claim of a Blu-ray BD+ Crack

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the cat-meet-mouse dept.

Media 307

Google85 writes in with a brief Enquirer piece reporting on an announcement on a German site that SlySoft claims to have cracked BD+, the extra copy-protection layer in Blu-ray. Here is the German original.

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How to translate MPAA claims. (4, Funny)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176395)

The amount of time the MPAA claims it will take to crack something (in this case, 10 years) is inversely related to how long it will actually take (in this case, a few weeks).

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (3, Funny)

aweiland (237773) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176489)

If that's the line they used to get exclusive deals with studios they're gonna have some 'splaining to do.

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (-1, Redundant)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176531)

So you're saying that the MPAA should have said that it would take 3 milliseconds to crack BD+?

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (4, Funny)

Amouth (879122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176607)

it worked for NASA and their 90 day rover project

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (2, Funny)

AxemRed (755470) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176567)

I reckon that you are right. ;)

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (2, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176599)

...and the beat goes on...
...and the beat goes on...

Drums keep poundin' a rhythm to the brain...

 
 


Let me know when they've got a copy-protection method that doesn't get cracked in a few weeks or months of its debut. Otherwise it's just the regular pattern.

Maybe if they want their precious movies to avoid this, they should consider using a media that physically has no computer-based player...

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (2, Insightful)

nuzak (959558) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176671)

> Let me know when they've got a copy-protection method that doesn't get cracked in a few weeks or months of its debut.

Anyone cracked MagicGate yet?

Heck, even AACS is just weakened, not really permanently broken. Though I suspect as long as they're giving keys to software players, it's going to keep getting cracked.

Direct TV (1)

puck01 (207782) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176907)

What about Direct TV? Since they updated to the P4 or higher, I'm not aware of anyone that's cracked their copy-protection/content protection scheme....just some unverified rumors. I haven't checked up on it recently, so I'd be interested to find out if I'm wrong.

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (1)

AmaDaden (794446) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176697)

Well from a quick look at the wiki for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B#Digital_rights_management_.28DRM.29 [wikipedia.org] It seems like all they have to do to deal with a weak crack is change the disks a bit.

If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+ code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases.
Anyone have any idea how BD+ was cracked?

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (1)

Kickasso (210195) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176789)

SACD is not cracked. Not that anyone is interested.

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (4, Interesting)

AchiIIe (974900) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177003)

It's great news but keep in mind the entire procedure has not been cracked yet. There are three major layers of security in a Blu Ray Player
1) AACS (currently we have ways to sniff the code out of software, cat and mouse game for now) (Cracked - sort of)
2) BD+ (The virtual machine decrypting the AACS content) (Cracked)
3) BD ROM MARK - A small key that has been stored on the cd using alternate technological means. This is an extra key that is read using only BLU RAY players using mysterious methods.

Without the BD ROM Mark the disk can't be decrypted quite yet.
The article makes no claim that this has been cracked.

Re:How to translate MPAA claims. (3, Interesting)

Dr Kool, PhD (173800) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177325)

Wrong, ROM-Mark is irrelevant. BD-R media has no ROM-Mark and pretty much every player these days can play BDMV from BD-R. People have been ripping and burning to BD-R for some time now.

No surprise here (1)

hackshack (218460) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176399)

Why doesn't this surprise me? And this time it's not DVD-Jon!

So i guess if true (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176411)

that means Fox will have to cease all BD disks since they're so particular about BD+ being the "be all end all" encryption they need to prevent "rampant piracy"?

Re:So i guess if true (4, Interesting)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176753)

I'd like to see Fox (or any other studio) sue the MPAA asking for arbitrarily large amounts of cash to compensate them for all the piracy this weak crypto causes. It would be really nice for the tables to turn a bit.

Re:So i guess if true (1, Funny)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176847)

So you'd like to see Fox sue themselves? Brilliant!

Re:So i guess if true (1)

El_Piso (1181967) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177031)

Actually, BD+ is specifically designed so that as soon as one code is cracked, another one can be produced. Basically, now that this sequence has been cracked, Fox will start producing the same movies with a new BD+ security code. Players don't have to be updated to read this new code and those who would try to crack the new discs would have to start all over again. Sure it will take a while for the new code to be released, but it will subsequently delay those who would pirate these films at least temporarily once the new codes are out.

I honestly think the only reason people are cracking this stuff is the same reason that people climb Mt. Everest: Because it's there. Most people I have spoken to who pirate movies don't care about HD-quality video and would rather download a 2GB file as opposed to a 30-50GB file... ::shrugs:: Oh well.

Re:So i guess if true (1)

Zironic (1112127) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177299)

HD quality isn't more then 1gb per hour. Go to your favorite pirate site and check out the filesize of the 1024 res vids.

Re:So i guess if true (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177243)

They knew it would be cracked this way, but they expect BD+ to protect them trough the first weeks of release (when most money is made), unlike AACS which was fully cracked and now completely useless.

As of now there are no universal cracks in the wild for BD+ and no vulnerabilities were found in BD+ yet. The keys need to be cracked from a new software players version, every cycle of disk release. This doesn't make the scheme uncrackable, but it takes time to crack every time and that was the whole idea. It requires time, cannot be done computationally, and most importantly the work needs to be done every cycle of release.

If you read the doom9 forum, SlySoft explained that they cracked specific discs, and they said it took them 3 week to extract the keys from the software player. Now these keys will be revoked in the next cycle, and the software player they extract the keys from will have it's key revoked and will require an update. This update will use a new obscuring scheme for the keys, and it will require another 3 weeks to crack.

I reckon (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176415)

I reckon that what Slysoft reckons and what Sony reckons don't reckoncile... Man, you reckon they used reckon enough in that article on the Inq?

Re:I reckon (1, Redundant)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176519)

Man, you reckon they used reckon enough in that article on the Inq?
I reckon.

Re:I reckon (3, Funny)

Evanisincontrol (830057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176803)

Ironic that you would get modded higher than the GP.

...I reckon?

Re:I reckon (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176525)

I reckon that your reckoning of the overuse of the word is only due to ignorance. Your day of reckoning will come...I reckon.
 

ATTN: MODS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176769)

Parent is NOT funny. That's just Stevie [slashdot.org] demonstrating that, as usual, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

MOD. PARENT. DOWN.

If you'd get off your ass and get a job, Stevie, even one that you think is beneath you (like flipping burgers) you would do all of Slashdot a favor.

Re:I reckon (0, Flamebait)

dasPlookenMeister (1173763) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176971)

you better change your attitude or i'm gonna start wreckin' some shit..

SLASHDOT SUX0RZ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176419)

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crack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176807)

Is that the crack?

Re:crack? (2, Funny)

s.bots (1099921) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176861)

At one time it was a crack, then the crack turned into a crevice, then that crevice turned into a gorge.

The gorge then morphed into a GAPING HOLE OF NO RETURN.

What's so unusual about this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176459)

Bluegums are often on crack.

Dare we credit...? (5, Funny)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176467)

Dare we credit this blatant act of piracy to, yet again, a Sharpie?

Re:Dare we credit...? (1)

Huntr (951770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176751)

Hold down the shift key when you insert the disc. :p

Re:Dare we credit...? (1)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176985)

Or better yet turn off auto-run on your Optical Media Drives.

Re:Dare we credit...? (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177169)

I reckon we could do that.

Re:Dare we credit...? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177359)

Yes, but to confuse everyone, this time let's pronounce it "Shar-pay."

Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (5, Funny)

decken (883938) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176477)

TFA in English used the verb "reckon" four times in as many sentences. I reckon I ought to have struggled through the German.

Re:Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (3, Funny)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176563)

Mayhap you're right.

Re:Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176953)

This happens a lot with literal translations, a more nuanced translation will take account of word frequency as well as meaning. We wouldn't have this problem of course if there weren't multiple words for the same thing. And word frequency can vary depending on social status, geographic region, and time period. As you suggest, reckon had a high word frequency in the old west and wouldn't seem out of place at all.

Any translation that is understandable and correctly conveys the intent is a "good" translation. But a good translation isn't necessarily good prose in the new language.

Re:Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (1)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176999)

Depends where you live. "Reckon" is a quite common word in Australia.

Re:Unusual word choice, outside of a Western (4, Funny)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177097)

"Reckon" is a common word in Appalachia. If you think saying "I reckon" sounds too unsophisticated, you can always opt for the more refined "I figger."

So..... this means that (5, Funny)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176481)

we can safely expect flood of new signatures on /.? Or is this unrelated to any encryption key?

Re:So..... this means that (1)

Workaphobia (931620) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176771)

I hope not. I (seriously) just finished memorizing 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0. And I've only had the T-shirt for a few months.

Re:So..... this means that (4, Funny)

PMBjornerud (947233) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177187)

I (seriously) just finished memorizing 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.
Dude, not smart. They'll file a takedown notice on your brain for that.

Re:So..... this means that (2, Funny)

glittalogik (837604) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177309)

Can you legally order someone to take downers?

Problems? (4, Interesting)

AlphaDrake (1104357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176485)

Was it this extra layer of protection that was causing some players to have some ungodly load times that was mentioned on /. a little while ago? And if the companies spent half as much money on increasing space/fixing problems as they did useless protection schemes, we'd be on Terabyte sized dvd's by now :P

t-shirt (5, Funny)

jibster (223164) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176495)

OK, now when will the T-Shirts be up on ThinkGeek?

Re:t-shirt (4, Insightful)

legoman666 (1098377) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176547)

Slysoft is safeguarding their decryption method. So you won't see any t-shirts this time around. They worked hard to get here first, and they want to make their money off of it before others crack it also. Well deserved in my opinion.

The only surprising thing is it's not DVD Johh! (0, Redundant)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176499)

But I guess he was too busy playing with iPhone...

Re:The only surprising thing is it's not DVD Johh! (1)

DirtyHerring (635192) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176869)

No, this time it was Blue-Ray-Peer(TM)

Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (2, Informative)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176501)

I don't have an HD-capable TV, so I don't fool around with Blu-ray or any of that stuff yet.

But I wanted to take this opportunity to say how great Slysoft's software is.

I tried at least half a dozen pieces of "free" software trying to rip DVDs and re-encode them to .AVI files. While I could usually get the ripping done (Ripit4me worked), I could never get a re-encoding to work that didn't have audio/video sync issues.

I plied all the forums, downloaded endless codecs and other whosit and whatsit pieces here and there and could never get it to work. So much for "open source".

So I laid out $80 to Slysoft. One package to rip the DVDs, and one package to re-encode them into a variety of formats (I use .AVI). It has worked flawlessly.

I'm a big Slysoft fan now.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176693)

FWIW your problems were with the rips.
I had similar issues, related to some of the copy protection inserting null or unreferenced frames, etc. AnyDVD filters those out beautifully.
-nB

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

Cap'nPedro (987782) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176761)

I agree.
I use AnyDVD on my HTPC to skip past those anti-piracy ads on the beginning of DVDs (Jesus, I bought the disc already don't bitch to me about pirates!) and automatically skip to the menu.

The same piece of software will also limit the speed of the drive, making it quieter.

Overall, I've been extremely pleased with them.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

shaka999 (335100) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176781)

Hmmm, I didn't think it was that tough.

I use the free DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip and AutoGK (http://www.autogk.me.uk/) to encode to avi.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (2, Informative)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176913)

Although their Windows version has a ways to go, HandBrake [m0k.org] is fantastic for ripping/encoding DVDs in one fell swoop. 99% of the time, 'it just works'.

The more recent versions have made it a bit less "mac-like" (ie. they added a whole lot more configuration options), but it's still dead-on simple to use.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176929)

What the H*LL are you talking about?

I transcode tons of stuff. The only things that
have ever given me any sorts of problems are
attempts to convert from NTSC -> PAL sync rates.
The rest has been easy breezey (even with the CLI
tools).

Anyone that pays $80 to rip DVD's is an idiot.

Sure their HD stuff is worth the money but the
other stuff is completely generic at this point.
There's even got to be cheaper payware in winland
then that stuff.

Not my experience (1)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177141)

I tried at least 7 different pieces of software trying to make a go of it with free stuff.

I tried AutoGK, etc. etc. etc.

And I know I'm not alone with an isolated problem because if you go read the DVD-ripping related forums you will find that audio/video sync problems is a consistent theme.

So kudos to you for figuring it all out and saving the 80 bucks. Myself I figure I spent about 20 hours all told trying to get it to work with free software - well over $80 worth of time to me.

Not to mention the fact that none of the free tools were stand-alone products. Most, if not all of them, required you to go download and install numerous other pieces of the puzzle to make it all work. I'm always skeptical when I have to go download 4 other pieces of software to make another piece of software run. It's hard enough to get one developer to make their own tool work right - every time you throw another developer into the mix the chances of things going afoul rise.

So ultimately, I was very pleased with the Slysoft tool. It works flawlessly. I wish I could have found a free tool, but I couldn't.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177257)

I transcode tons of stuff. The only things that have ever given me any sorts of problems are attempts to convert from NTSC -> PAL sync rates.

But most of the free tools have problems with some of the newer copy protection schemes - such as the ones on newer Sony discs. Slysoft is almost always the first to support cracking of new protection schemes.

Anyone that pays $80 to rip DVD's is an idiot.

Anybody who doesn't see the value in paying for good software and saving time and headaches is a bigger idiot. What you don't seem to realize is that AnyDVD is not just for ripping, it works seamlessly for playing DVDs with copy protection (in any application) and overriding blocks on skipping unwanted content, etc. It also gives a very nice, detailed analysis of the discs, too. Perhaps you shouldn't knock it until you've tried it?

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

courseofhumanevents (1168415) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177277)

That has to be the first time I've ever seen anyone censor "hell" on Slashdot.

Seconded. (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177061)

The SlySoft stuff, especially AnyDVD, but CloneDVD is nice if you're into ripping & copying, is excellent.

It is constantly being updated for free to support any new tricks they throw onto the latest DVDs. Once you have it installed, playing DVDs works as you would have expected, instead of being the FBI warning/preview infested/disabled buttons nightmare that DVDs have become.

I don't copy DVDs, and I still think this software is worth every penny, for its ability to automatically remove annoyances from your discs without even having to think about it. And I really appreciate their extra effort to keep their existing customers (who aren't paying them anymore) up to date with amazing speed after new "protections" are introduced.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177363)

So much for "open source".
What does open source have to do with anything about your video conversion problems? Open source has many powerful tools to do video/audio conversions. I use ffmpegx [ffmpegx.com] on Mac OS X and it works great.

Re:Slysoft is GOOD STUFF (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177415)

You should try Clone DVD Mobile. That's the stuff! All you need is DVD Decrypter to create your VOB files, and Clone DVD Mobile to transcode them. I use it all the time to convert to IPod video format (MP4). It'll also do PSP and other formats too in case your wondering.

Problems (4, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176517)

Well DRM is a pretty hefty mountain to climb. How do you:

1- Protect media with lock
2- ensure customer can open lock with key to use
3- ensure customer can't copy content with the same key

Given enough time clever customers will always find your keys and always figure a way to copy your media. Isn't it better to stop trying and just offer products not licenses. The alternate route is to simply make copying hard enough to deter most people (console games + mod chips) or dial home to get some nifty extra features (MMORPG's).

Re:Problems (2, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176651)

The alternate route is to simply make copying hard enough to deter most people

That's not an alternate route for the studios ... that is the route! From the early Macrovision anti-VHS-copying technique to Blu-Ray, the idea has never been to have an unbreakable protection system. They just want to eliminate casual copying, and to that end good old CSS does just fine, when you get right down to it..

Re:Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176787)

They just want to eliminate casual copying, and to that end good old CSS does just fine, when you get right down to it..


Not so much anymore, since all a "casual" user has to do is "casually" install bittorrent and commence the downloading of an unlocked copy.
 
Oh Noes! Now it's easier to just pirate the content instead of buying it!
 
Hey **AA, I found your severed foot. You left it on my doorstep riddled with bullet holes.

No they want to eliminate all copying (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177135)

They are dead fucking convinced they can make an unbreakable encryption scheme. In fact, they thought they had one with AACS. After all, they used AES, which the government says is great, how could anyone break it?

They live in a fantasy world.

Re:No they want to eliminate all copying (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177311)

They live in a fantasy world.

Well now that's certainly true. I think they tend to listen to high-tech snake-oil salesmen, rather than talking to people who really know how the technology works.

Re:No they want to eliminate all copying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177399)

I'm convinced that the snake oil salesman DO indeed know how the technology works - and they're milking this cow for every dime.

Re:Problems (4, Insightful)

Sneftel (15416) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177423)

That was a great idea when casual copying was the norm; that is, when sneakernet [wikipedia.org] 's bandwidth was several orders of magnitude greater than any other link. But now that P2P is a fact of life, "casual copying" is unimportant. What's important is "casual acquisition", and as long as even one guy can crack the protection there is no significant barrier possible to casual acquisition.

Re:Problems (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177469)

What's important is "casual acquisition", and as long as even one guy can crack the protection there is no significant barrier possible to casual acquisition.

True enough, at the current state of the art, network-wise. So ... if you were a big media company what would you do?

Re:Problems (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176939)

The alternate route is to simply make copying hard enough to deter most people (console games + mod chips) or dial home to get some nifty extra features (MMORPG's).

Actually, the alternate route might be to make the blank media cost enough that people can't be bothered. Double layer DVD media are still too expensive (comparatively) for many people I know to bother with; they either use DVDShrink or, if they like the movie enough, buy it for $15. This is probably the reason why the MPAA lobbies for media taxes in Canada.

Re:Problems-SOMETIMES (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177313)

2- ensure customer can open lock with key to use

You'll have to mark that one as a Sometimes operation.

translation (3, Informative)

bvdbos (724595) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176541)

Re:translation (1)

thewils (463314) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176919)

Thanks for that - I needed a good larf today :)

non-machine translation (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177143)

SlySoft: AnyDVD to circumvent new AACS-Protection, soon also BD+

Fourth version of AACS has been cracked.

The Producers of the copying-tool "AnyDVD", Slysoft, released a new Version of their software. It can now cope with the new version of AACS and is expected to also copy Blu-ray-discs protected by the supposedly uncrackable "BD+".

Ever since April 2007, the Copy-protection-committee AACS LA revoked keys for movies and drives after they had been compromised. The cat-and-mouse game was supposed to end with the version "MBKv4" - the fourth version - which changed the keys. Slysoft now told us that version 6.1.9.3 of AnyDVD can also decrypt MBKv4-DVDs. The company claims to have successfully tested it with the HD-DVD "The Transformers", the top-selling HD-movie in the US, and also with the Blu-ray-versions of the Spiderman trilogy.

Apart from the usual sneering in the press release ("one might almost feel sorry for the poor movie industry guys") SlySoft chief executive Giancarlo Bettini also used the company's success in cracking the copy-protection to call out against it: "I wonder how long it will take for people to understand that increasing restrictions, pressure and protection measures that stop things from functioning don't mean more, but instead less revenue."

According to Bettini, even the "BD"-protection of Blu-ray players, which uses a virtual machine in the player, has already been cracked. The software is already running and there is little work left to create the according tool. Bettini expects the tool to still be published in 2007. However, according to German law it is illegal to use software that circumvents copy-protection measures.

You gotta love babelfish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176549)

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Degrees of distance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176553)

My sister's daughter's classmate's parents overheard someone saying they cracked some HD disc stuff..
Can this be any more indirect than my bacon number?

In other news... (3, Funny)

MachineShedFred (621896) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176581)

... Blu-ray player sales are up 4000%

Re:In other news... (1)

ThirdPrize (938147) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176795)

Wow, was that 4 Blu-Ray DVD players or 4 players and a PS3?

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177245)

Ha ha good one!

But in all seriousness, it's not been a good week for the Microsoft fanbois as the PS3 is now outselling it in Europe 2 to 1 [computeran...ogames.com] . Even the PSP is outselling the Xbox! Ouch, that's gotta hurt.

Re:In other news... (4, Funny)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176811)

... Blu-ray player sales are up 4000%
What someone bought another one?

Re:In other news... (3, Insightful)

king-manic (409855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176891)

... Blu-ray player sales are up 4000%
What someone bought another one?

You mean they only managed to sell 1/40th of one before this?

Re:In other news... (1)

JK_the_Slacker (1175625) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177471)

Darnit, you guys weren't supposed to find out I put one on layaway!

Let me say that (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21176937)

I for one welcome our blue overlords.

Just cracked? (3, Interesting)

Splab (574204) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176957)

I'm a bit confused about what has been cracked and not, lately quite a lot of BlueRay and HDDVD movies have shown up in 1080p format on my favorite torrent site. Ok, they might not have "cracked it" whatever that means, but they sure as hell have started distributing the movies.

Re:Just cracked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177175)

most likely satellite rips

keeping people in a job... (5, Interesting)

logicassasin (318009) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176961)

This "War On Piracy" does nothing more than keep people in jobs, much like the "War On Drugs". Like the drug war, piracy cannot be stopped unless it's made legal, but to do that you would put those in charge of fighting said illegal activity out of a job.

It's stupid...

Any digital content that can be seen or heard can be duplicated with some form of analog technology. Copy protected CD's can be recorded with near perfect quality simply by flying the audio from a CD player into a PC equipped with a $100 pro-level audio card (like the Emu 0404 or M-Audio Audiophile 2496). DRM protected mp3/wma/etc files can be duplicated through two pc's in exactly the same fashion as a CD. Copy protected DVD's can be duplicated by recording it's content from a DVD player into a PC with a decent video capture card.

And that's just the tip of it.

Nothing they do keeps DVD's off the streets. Every trip to the grocery store I make, I get a guy or gal coming up to me selling the latest movie for $10 on DVD (3 for $25!) or the latest yet-to-be-released CD for $5.

It's not going to stop. No amount of copy protection will help, no law passed will deter, it's a useless waste of money, but it keeps a few folks in a job.

Re:keeping people in a job... (2, Insightful)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177091)

Exactly why do people insist on comparing "Piracy" to "Controlled Substances". I don't remember the last time Piracy altered somebody's life, caused physical distress or even death, or even contributed to a fatal car accident. The "War on Drugs" exists for a reason. The war on Piracy is made up by the RIAA/MPAA because they think they can brainwash us enough to think that we can't make copies of our own content for backup or use.

Re:keeping people in a job... (0, Redundant)

cdrguru (88047) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177215)

The difference between a backup and restribution is exactly what? Sure, there is a different to the person doing it but at one step removed from the actual process what precisely is the different?

Nothing.

This means that until copyright has some kind of respect it really needs to be abolished. Start with the law that says if it isn't nailed down it will be stolen. Private property is meaningless - unless defended with lethal force. If is possible to copy, it will be redistributed. Period. This would inject a sense of reality into common dealing with merchants, laborors and government agencies. You would understand why there is an armed guard at the exit of every store. You would understand why people insist they must live in gated communitied with guards, guard dogs and high fences.

Re:keeping people in a job... (2, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177329)

The "War on Drugs" exists for a reason.

To fuel police corruption and organized crime?

Re:keeping people in a job... (2, Insightful)

courseofhumanevents (1168415) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177361)

I don't remember the last time Piracy altered somebody's life, caused physical distress or even death, or even contributed to a fatal car accident.
First two have been accomplished by lawsuits, and I'm sure they're working on the last one.

Re:keeping people in a job... (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177381)

"Nothing they do keeps DVD's off the streets. Every trip to the grocery store I make, I get a guy or gal coming up to me selling the latest movie for $10 on DVD (3 for $25!) or the latest yet-to-be-released CD for $5."

And these cheaper versions don't have annoying unskippable FBI warnings, disclaimers, and advertisements (er, previews) that you have to watch before you are allowed to watch the actual movie.

Amusingly, Blu-Ray only titles in USA (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 6 years ago | (#21176997)

Are normally released as HD-DVD titles in other countries, so you can just buy them online from Europe.

But this crack will be useful for those few of us with Linux PS3 units.

Paging Governor Tarkin (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177027)

The more you tighten your DRM^wgrip, the more content^wsystems will slip through your fingers.

Well... (1)

tubapro12 (896596) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177103)

What can't SlySoft do? I'm not surprised.

Remote cracking service client != fully cracked (1)

cwcpetech (733201) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177465)

Or more accurately, have something that can withstand the exposure. Odd that they speak of not insulting open source [slysoft.com] , but then do so later on [slysoft.com] in that thread.

Apparently that thread seems to have a certain lack of objection to DRM when it's in a "cracking service client".

The thing they cant do is accept any objection to it being anything else. To accept anything from Slysoft as a "crack" would be premature.

Don't celebrate, it's just a Slysoft Black Box (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177247)

If this is indeed cracked, I'd wait until there's something more than just their black box - actual code that works on its own.

Until then, Slysoft is just part of the problem.

Fear and Trembling (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177253)

There should be Fear and Trembling at Sony right about now. True, or not, this isn't the news they're going to enjoy reading today.

Yay for piracy (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21177351)

Nothing gets my geekcock harder than knowing I can violate the rights of people. It's exciting, and Slashdot has taught me it's the right thing to do! I can be an asshole and horde all the free entertainment I want, and still take the moral high ground because... well, I'm still not clear on that. I think it's wrong to make money, maybe. Not sure.

Can't be Done (5, Interesting)

Bellum Aeternus (891584) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177357)

This just brings me back to my original hypothesis that it is impossible to encrypt something one time that you want to be easily distributed to the masses. There's just no way to say "here's the encrypted content and the key, but the key only works when we say so" unless you have some kind of root server doing the authentication in real-time and creates randomize keys for every download/view (think TSL). Even then, the user on the recieving end can (in theory) just record the incoming stream and redistribute.

It's time for the media distributors of the world to wise up and realize that they just cannot protect their content through DRM. The best they can hope for is to make it tough on Joe Sixpack, and rely on legal means to tackle the large scale pirates. (think 1980's style).

If BD+ is cracked, then the writing is pretty much on the wall for DVDs and we'll see a faster migration to online, streaming content. So let the "you cannot save this file" wars begin (ala Flash and QuickTime) - soon people (smarter than me) will spend time on fixing, er um... breaking that too.

Blurb is flawed- INquirer, not Enquirer (1)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21177391)

This isn't the Cincinnati Newspaper! [enquirer.com]
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