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Joel and Original Cast of MST3K Riding the Cinematic Titanic

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the dear-god-please-no-mike dept.

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AugstWest writes "Unfortunately it's in separate projects, but just after Jim Mallon (the man who owns all things MST3K) announced that he would be bringing back Tom Servo, Crow and Gypsy in animated Flash shorts on the web along with Paul Chaplin (a writer from the original MST3K), Joel Hodgson, the series creator, has announced that he will be launching a new venture called Cinematic Titanic. It will feature horrible movies riffed by the original cast of MST3K, including Josh Weinstein (the original Tom Servo), Trace Beaulieu (the original Crow), Frank Conniff (TV's Frank), Mary Jo Pehl (Pearl Forrester) and, of course, Joel himself. They've already got the rights to 12 movies, and will be releasing one a month starting in December for DVD purchase or download."

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MST3K? (5, Informative)

avij (105924) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184181)

The obligatory clarification links (from Wikipedia) -- some of us have never heard of MST3K:

Mystery Science Theater 3000 [wikipedia.org] , often abbreviated MST3K , is an American [wikipedia.org] cult television [wikipedia.org] comedy series created by Joel Hodgson [wikipedia.org] and produced by Best Brains, Inc. [wikipedia.org] that ran from 1988 to 1999.

Re:MST3K? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21184245)

Awwwweeeeesssssoooommmmeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And in the words of the Immortal Tom Servo: Dickweed!

Re:MST3K? (5, Insightful)

albwus (1145209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184329)

Then what are you doing on slashdot...

Re:MST3K? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21185237)

For that matter, what are you doing on the Internet?

Re:MST3K? (1)

sampowers (54424) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184335)

Not notable! Request speedy delete per ASD 7.

Re:MST3K? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184707)

Youtube search came up blank.. is this really as lame as it sounds or is it actually good?

Re:MST3K? (4, Funny)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184733)

If you've never seen the divine greatest show of all time, MST3K, much less heard of it, please kill yourself now. We can't have philosophical zombies wandering around who have no idea how to react to "Movie Sign!," or Mike blowing up Earth, again.

Re:MST3K? (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185951)

"If you've never seen the divine greatest show of all time, MST3K, much less heard of it, please kill yourself now. We can't have philosophical zombies wandering around who have no idea how to react to "Movie Sign!," or Mike blowing up Earth, again."

That brings up a question...which side IS Mike on in these 2 separate adventures. Wonder why the split with them...and not a big happy MST3K family?

Re:MST3K? (1)

Great Beyond (872699) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184865)

some of us have never heard of MST3K:


*sputter* Never . . . heard . . .? Please turn in your Nerd cards at once, you've just lost all geek credibility.

MST3k (0, Redundant)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184209)

MST3k stands for Mystery Science Theater 3000 [wikipedia.org] . It was an American comedy that ran from 1988 to 1999.

Just in case anyone, like me, didn't know.

Re:MST3k (2, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184251)

Note to self:

Don't spend so much time making sure the grammar and prose are correct, otherwise someone else is going to post your information ahead of you and your post will be modded redundant :(

Re:MST3k (2, Funny)

brkello (642429) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185591)

How long does it take you to do grammar and prose for 3 sentences? :)

Confuzzled. (-1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184211)

From the summary (which seems to be a lot clearly than the actual article) it appears they are simply going to put out bad movies on DVD with some preface by actors from mst3k. -yawn-

If they were going to publish the most popular mst3k episodes (with the comedy intact) that might be quite a bit more interesting and enticing.

No question at all. (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184231)

Unfortunately it's in separate projects

Let's see now... Joel and the original cast, or some random schmuck who owns the rights to Joel's creation? Tough call.

I never "hated" Mike like some did, because he just filled a role. But I think we can almost all agree that Joel made the show (literally and figuratively), a fact supported by its demise once he left.

Re:No question at all. (4, Insightful)

Orion_ (83461) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184411)

But I think we can almost all agree that Joel made the show (literally and figuratively), a fact supported by its demise once he left.
That's a pretty absurd claim to make, given that Joel left halfway through season 5, and the show ran 10 seasons. In truth, the show went on just fine without Joel, though personally I preferred Joel's screen persona to Mike's.

Re:No question at all. (1)

mounthood (993037) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185465)

But I think we can almost all agree that Joel made the show (literally and figuratively), a fact supported by its demise once he left.
That's a pretty absurd claim to make, given that Joel left halfway through season 5, and the show ran 10 seasons. In truth, the show went on just fine without Joel, though personally I preferred Joel's screen persona to Mike's.
Happy Days was still on the air even after the Fonz jumped the shark.

Joel was great.

Re:No question at all. (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184495)

Mike was head writer since, IIRC, CC season 2. To say that Joel "made" the show, is silly.

Re:No question at all. (1)

Anarchitektur (1089141) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184499)

Joel himself is quoted as saying that he preferred Mike filling in the role of host and didn't care to be on camera.

Re:No question at all. (4, Informative)

aberkvam (109205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184559)

Jim Mallon [wikipedia.org] is hardly "some random schmuck". He helped create MST3K back in its Minnesota UHF days, directed almost half the episodes, and played Gypsy in seasons 1-8. Joel may have provided the original creative force but he hardly could have created it alone.

Joel left in the middle of season 5. MST3K continued until season 10 and released a feature film. I am not sure what this "demise" is that you speak of...

Re:No question at all. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21185687)

Compare their IMDb entries. Jim did nothing but whore others talent both during and after the making of MST. He has zero interest in doing comedy for its own sake.

Re:No question at all. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21184603)

Mike is better-looking and funnier than the rat-like Joel. Seriously, anyone who thinks Joel is better is one of those "oh, I long for the olden tymes!" people who think that the "original" is ALWAYS the best, regardless.

Re:No question at all. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184869)

Actually, they both look like puffy, hideous CHUD's to me. But I don't think anyone watched for their looks.

Re:No question at all. (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184629)

"But I think we can almost all agree that Joel made the show (literally and figuratively), a fact supported by its demise once he left."

It 'died' like 6 seasons after Joel left. No, the end of the show does not support the "Joel is better than Mike" debate.

Re:No question at all. (1)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184695)

Yeah, the second 50% only came after Joel left, and then it died. Somehow, he controlled Bonnie Hammer.

Re:No question at all. (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184785)

The whole "Joel vs. Mike" thing always struck me as silly. First of all, the two worked just fine together for years before Joel left. Mike was the show's head writer from its second season onwards (the year they went national) and even appeared on-camera in many of the "Joel episodes." It's not like he was some "new guy" that they picked up off the street to replace Joel. He had been a major part of the show almost from day one.

So if Joel and Mike could work together just fine for all those years, why can't their fans get along too? No Joel fans had any problem with Mike BEFORE Joel left. And if any Mike fans had any problem with Joel when he was there, they'll have to partially blame Mike too--since he was the one writing most of the jokes and bits.

Re:No question at all. (1)

DiscipleN2k (914143) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186067)

Yeah, forget the whole "Joel vs. Mike" thing. "Steve vs. Joe" [ronalbanese.com] is the real controversy.

My children have corrupted me.

Re:No question at all. (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185419)

The show was "made" figuratively and literally by Joel and Mike. Mike, as has been pointed out, was Head writer from Season 2 onward.

Two of My favorite episodes, The Amazing Collosal Man and the Amazing Colossal Beast, featured Joel and the Bots, and Mike as the Colossal Man in sketches.

We were all disappointed when Joel left, (I think to pursue standup), but saying the shows demise was due to that fact is revisionist history at best.

BTW, anyone see Joel on SNL in the good ole days, Funny, funny stuff.

Damn, couldn't find it, but here is a standup clip from 8th Young Comedians Special.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EQI9xS2ltI [youtube.com]

Re:No question at all. (1)

ginbot462 (626023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185929)

Jesus, just watch SoulTaker and stop trolling for a Kirk vs. Picard debate.

Re:No question at all. (1)

analog_line (465182) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186049)

a fact supported by its demise once he left.


Um, I wasn't aware that "demise" meant "continued on for 5.5 more seasons". Last I checked there were 10 seasons of MST3K on national TV. Joel left halfway through season 5. Mike was there all the way through season 10, and was head writer from at least season 2 on. Mike is as important to the show as Joel was. If you didn't like the show after Joel was gone, that's fine, but that doesn't mean it died. Acting like it did is just silly.

And as far as Jim Mallon being "some schmuck" he was there creating the show with Kevin, Joel and Josh on KTMA way back when. Do some research before you spout insults like this, for goodness sake. He deserves as much credit for it as Joel or anyone else. They all do. This attitude that MST3K was a one-man show flies in the face of reality. He was the guy that did the inventions, he was the "lead" (in that he was the only human other than the Mads) and he was one of the writing team.

I'm feeling a bit like a fanboy writing this, but really. If you're going to make these kinds of statements, check your facts maybe?

O rly? (2, Insightful)

EveryNickIsTaken (1054794) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184249)

We can only hope that they re-review "Manos, the Hands of Fate"....

Power of the Puma (1)

choseph (1024971) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184595)

I'm more of a "Puma Man" guy myself. Nothing like flying through the air like a majestic puma...wait..

Re:O rly? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184945)

No, nothing--no Joel OR Mike apisode--will EVER top the greatest MST3K episode ever:

MITCHELL!!!!

[Actually, technically, Mitchell is both and Joel AND a Mike episode]

Re:O rly? (1)

aikon29 (563393) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185303)

DUH DUH ... MITCHELL

Can't tell you how many times I've seen that episode.

Re:O rly? (1)

RAVasquez (318309) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185009)

We can only hope that they re-review "Manos, the Hands of Fate"....
Re-review it? Why? Has it actually gotten -- shudder -- worse?

dear-god-please-no-mike (2, Insightful)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184257)

Screw you. There are as many good Mike episodes as Joel. I will agree that on average Joel was better, but Mike was not bad enough to warrant that description.

Re:dear-god-please-no-mike (3, Insightful)

Davenport Spiff jr (1076315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184293)

Yeah, Mike was OK, but having Joel AND FRANK and TRACE back - I'm looking forward to that.

It's raining MST (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184521)

Yeah, Mike was OK, but having Joel AND FRANK and TRACE back - I'm looking forward to that.
And Josh: The mighty Mighty Voice of old! The maddest of the mads!

Re:It's raining MST (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185353)

Josh: The mighty Mighty Voice of old! The maddest of the mads!

Eh. I always preferred Kevin Murphy's Tom Servo to Josh Weinstein's, but YMMV.

(Incidentally, the guy we're talking about is aka "J. Elvis Weinstein", writer from "Malcom in the Middle" and "Freaks and Geeks", and not the Josh Weinstein that was show runner on "The Simpsons" and "The Critic".)

Re:It's raining MST (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185399)

Josh: The mighty Mighty Voice of old! The maddest of the mads!

Eh. I always preferred Kevin Murphy's Tom Servo to Josh Weinstein's, but YMMV.
Kevin was good, this is true... But Josh is highly underrated. It's sad that he stuck around the show for such a short time...

Re:It's raining MST (1)

ginbot462 (626023) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186077)

For me, it's impossible to see Tom not as Kevin. It really takes a big guy to play a little guy (that acts like he's a big guy).

I want to see Shelia in her underware!

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CarpetShark (865376) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184739)

Damn. When I saw dear-god-please-no... I thought this comment would be the one I was looking for.

You know. The one that said, "WTF? TFA's headline isn't even in english. But it seems to conclude with something about an orgy."

Re:dear-god-please-no-mike (1)

Bluesman (104513) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185405)

Yeah, Girls Town has to be one of the best episodes ever, and that was a Mike one. He had a number of my favorites. I think Joel had a certain drugged-out-genius quality that made him funnier on average, but the bigger reason most of the later episodes don't stack up because Trace left and Mary Jo Pehl was annoying as hell.

Trace did the best Crow, I thought the show deteriorated after he left. I've heard the very last few seasons were great, but I had stopped watching by then.

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Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (3, Interesting)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184303)

I have some idea of what the Mistery Science Theater movies look like, and my long-time desire is to acquire the DVD set(s). However, it would have much greater value for me, if the DVDs contained both the original version sans satellite crew, and the version with the wisecracks. That way I could first ascertain myself of the crappiness of the original movie, and then enjoy the ripping with the crew.

doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21184427)

It won't be worth it to stop and compare. One of the reasons the movies they rip look so bad is that they're mauled down to fit in the running time of the show + skits

Re:doesn't matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21185083)

One of the reasons the movies they rip look so bad is that they're mauled down to fit in the running time of the show + skits
On the contrary, a lot of the movies they did were so short that they had to be padded with short features to fit into the two hour running time.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (1)

cblack (4342) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184573)

Some of the DVDs do come with un-riffed versions on the flip sides of the DVDs. I don't recall which ones though. Also, I don't think it is worth viewing the movies without the riffing.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (2, Informative)

aberkvam (109205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184667)

Some of the DVDs do come with un-riffed versions on the flip sides of the DVDs. I don't recall which ones though. Also, I don't think it is worth viewing the movies without the riffing.
This list [mst3kinfo.com] shows which releases come with the original movies.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185397)

Some of the DVDs do come with un-riffed versions on the flip sides of the DVDs.

A lot of the movies that got the MST3K treatment were also things that were in the public domain and/or had become low-value shovelware content, so it may well be possible to find un-riffed versions of the movies in the Discount DVDs bin of your local discount store or supermarket.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184585)

I'd avoid that request if I were you. Remember, the whole plot of the show is to force Joel/Mike to watch terrible movies with the anticipation of driving them mad. The commentary is there so the audience doesn't go mad themselves. Think of Joel/Mike & the bots as safety buffers for your brain.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185391)

You underestimate my powers of amusing myself watching crappy movies. Seriously, I find plenty of hilarity without outside help. The MST3K crew will then come in later with their version of funnE, but why do I necessarily have to have only that, and not my own, too?

By the way, did you watch "Deadly Heroes"? Well, I can have fun watching that, too - I know for a fact that not everyone could.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (1)

philicorda (544449) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185875)

I can sympathize with this. The movies are the stars after all, the commentary does not have much value on it's own.

Some of them are pretty good too, like 'The brain that wouldn't die'. Others, like 'The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies!!?' are piss takes to start with.

I'd rather see the original first, then watch the MST3K version.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (1)

ChodeMonkey (65149) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184779)

Holy crap you have a lot of time on your hands.

Re:Don't have the MST3K DVDs, but I'd like this:q (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21186029)

I know the Eegah DVD had the original movie available for viewing, but I can't think of any others.

Mike Nelson has already been doing this (4, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184333)

Actually, Mike Nelson has been doing this for some time already with Murphy and Corbett (the later Servo and Crow) at Rifftrax [rifftrax.com] . Looks like we've got a Joel/original-bots vs. Mike/new-bots slapfest a-brewin'.

Re:Mike Nelson has already been doing this (1)

Davenport Spiff jr (1076315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184433)

You can also order the new Mike (film crew) movies through http://www.filmcrewonline.com/ [filmcrewonline.com] And I just noticed them on Netflix - I'm looking forward to head to head competition right in my living room!

Re:Mike Nelson has already been doing this (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184477)

Clearly the only way to settle it is riff each other's riffing of bad movies.

Re:Mike Nelson has already been doing this (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184607)

Well, I was hoping for Thunderdome. But I guess that would work too.

Re:Mike Nelson has already been doing this (3, Insightful)

Boinger69 (673392) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185215)

Oh come on... Can't we just get beyond Thunderdome?

Re:Mike Nelson has already been doing this (1)

tim_darklighter (822987) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185123)

Don't forget about the Film Crew, which is the three of them riffing terrible movies in the old MST3K style (sans puppets).

But uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21184361)

A few years ago I remember the cast of MST3K were collaborating with comic-book/fantasy-art deity Richard Corben to make a cheesy movie (fellow Corben fans knowing Corben himself is no stranger to making cheesy home movies). What ever became of that? That certainly got my nerd-antennae buzzing with anticipation but after what, 4? 5? years, I have a feeling it's been canned.

Re:But uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21185689)

I believe you are thinking about the game Darkstar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkstar_(computer_game) [wikipedia.org]

Rifftrax, and now this! (2, Informative)

cblack (4342) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184373)

I think this is great and will definitely be checking these out. I am a huge mst3k fan and am really pleased that many of the people that were involved with the show are putting out new material. For those who don't know, Mike Nelson and friends also have a project called RiffTrax [rifftrax.com] where they do more popular and high profile movies like The Phantom Menace, Daredevil, and Cocktail. Also, I don't care if I'm starting a flame war: I prefer Mike Nelson and Kevin Murphy as Tom Servo :)

Re:Rifftrax, and now this! (1)

Gabesword (964485) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185429)

I completely agree. I did prefer Trace as Crow, but Bill is great and really doesn't get the credit he deserves. In the current Rifftrax and Film Crew stuff he is fantastic.

One thing that gets overlooked is that Mike was the head writer for almost the entire run of MST3K. He had a lot to do with the great stuff during Joel's run as well as his own.

In any event, it will be nice to hear from Trace and Frank again.

They forgot to mention (3, Informative)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184381)

that the "final" crew of MST3K(onstage anyway) is involved in yet another project(well, projects): The Film Crew and Riff Trax, both lampooning movies. RiffTrax is interesting in that you buy mp3s of the riff online and play them over the dvds of the films. The Film Crews is closer to MST3K in that it comes in 1 package and even has some filler sketches in it....

Re:They forgot to mention (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184525)

If the new shows are technically movies, will they (or their counterparts) rip on the MST3K movie movies?

Mike Nelson is doing his own thing, too... (1)

Shaterri (253660) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184397)

He's selling feature-length commentaries as audio files to be played alongside the movies (and even a few scattered TV shows) at http://www.rifftrax.com/ [rifftrax.com] . Not always brilliant, but there are certainly some chuckles scattered in there, and at about $3/movie the price is right. Now if we could just get them all back together again, dammit...

Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys. (2, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184403)

They've already got the rights to 12 movies, and will be releasing one a month starting in December for DVD purchase or download.


Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys.

I used to watch MST3K, but it was only because it was ON FOR HOURS and you felt safe dropping in and out of the viewing session. (It was a basically a crappy movie, so you weren't missing anything.)

I didn't go see the MST3K movie (there was one, right?) for the same reason. The show's fun for free at my leisure, but not at $6 and the feeling that I'd be compelled to watch it for 2 hours.

So...if you can get MST3K back on TV where it can serve as the background for whatever I'm doing with my kids or my computer, I'll tune in. Otherwise...buy it? Way too much commitment.

Re:Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys. (3, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184579)

So...if you can get MST3K back on TV where it can serve as the background for whatever I'm doing with my kids or my computer, I'll tune in. Otherwise...buy it? Way too much commitment.
Step 1: Put DVD in player.
Step 2: Press Play.
Step 3: Do things while movie plays.

You haven't seen a DVD in a while, have you? (2, Funny)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184715)

Step 1: Put DVD in player. Step 2: Press Play. Step 3: Do things while movie plays.


You haven't seen a DVD in a while, have you?

It's more like this:
1. Put DVD in player
2. Wait for stupid menu to come up
3. Play the DVD
4. Wait for stupid previews to go away
5. See DVD distributor's logo again
6. See silly FBI warning
7. After 5 minutes of farting around with pressing buttons and fast forwarding, you finally have what you're looking for

(And, you forgot steps 0, .25 and .5: Buy the DVD, figure out how to break through the seals without cutting off your own fingers and then try not to lose/break/scratch it.)

If I want to watch something on TV, it's many times faster (no, I don't even use digital cable - way too slow when you're just trying to flip channels).

DVD's just suck if you're an "instant gratification" guy like I am. I've got my kids hooked on old Transformers cartoons, er, "delivered digitally" without DVDs and I don't think I'm ever going back.
   

Re:You haven't seen a DVD in a while, have you? (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184751)

Step 1: Put DVD in player. Step 2: Press Play. Step 3: Do things while movie plays.


You haven't seen a DVD in a while, have you?
Granted, I skimmed over a bit of trivial crap. But nevertheless, once the damn thing's playing you can leave it on in the background. Or you can get yourself a non-crippled DVD player and skip the parts you don't like... But I watch MST3K "in the background" all the frikkin' time...

Re:You haven't seen a DVD in a while, have you? (1)

rrkap (634128) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184899)

You do realize that most DVD players can be set up to just play the main movie automagically, don't you? The procedure then becomes:

  1. Get Disk
  2. Insert Disk
  3. Play movie

That being said, if you can't handle opening the DVD case or using the menu on your cable box, then changing the settings on your DVD player might be too much for you.

DVDs/dig. cable aren't built for the modern family (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185021)

That being said, if you can't handle opening the DVD case or using the menu on your cable box, then changing the settings on your DVD player might be too much for you.


I'm just a guy who doesn't like to wait. Most of the social regressions on this site have free time coming out the ying-yang, but when you've got a busy job, young kids, busy wife and friends constantly complaining that "we never hang out anymore", you learn to watch movies 5-10 minutes at a time or not at all.

DVDs and digital cable just aren't built for the modern family.

Re:You haven't seen a DVD in a while, have you? (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185103)

You assume my DVD player actually conforms to all the guidelines the MPAA assigned it.

Have a recommendation for one that doesn't? (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185183)

You assume my DVD player actually conforms to all the guidelines the MPAA assigned it.


Do you have a recommendation for one that doesn't? Seriously. (I've got a program on my computers that lets me skip all the menu/preview/advert/warning BS on DVDs, but I'd really like a piece of hardware that does the same because I don't feel like hooking my computers up to the TV/stereo.)

Re:Have a recommendation for one that doesn't? (1)

GiMP (10923) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185553)

In my experience... show me one that does all of the terrible things that people describe here on Slashdot. I've never seen a DVD that I couldn't skip right to the menu. Sometimes you have to push the menu/title key a couple times, but I've never had to fast-forward.

I've always used the cheap DVD players. They're simply a lot better bang for the buck. They support more formats, features, and they come unlocked by default or are often easily unlocked if you live in a region where it isn't legal for them to ship unlocked units.

Re:Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21184747)

That costs:

Money
Time (to purchase/rent DVD and set-up for playback)

MST3K is perfect when you're in high school and spending your Satur^H^H^H^H^H weekday nights playing around on BBSes for hours and want to pretend that you're hanging out with a slightly cooler geek crew instead of your parents. Somehow you lose that social feel of it when you put it on DVD, probably because it's harder to feign disbelief that it's a live event.

Either that, or I'm just older. I just really can't sit through an entire MST3K DVD any more. I watch some of the Shorts I bought on VHS occasionally, that's it.

Re:Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys. (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184759)

I agree. It was always nice when it was on at 12 on comedy central, and you could just pop the show on and chill :)

Re:Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys. (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185043)

The movie was gut-bustingly hilarious. I hope you get to see it sometime. You'll be glad.

Re:Selling DVDs? Wrong vehicle, boys. (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186081)

My guess is that you're not the target audience. And considering the number of people who have gone on to make a career of it my guess is that they have enough of an audience to worry about it.

And that's not to be rude but let's face facts, MST3K (for all it's brilliance and majesty) simply isn't a serious contender for a two hour slot on any of the larger stations today. It's an extremely sad statement but it's all too true.

I will agree with whomever that Sci-Fi and Comedy Central did their best to kill the series by playing it for 8-10 hours a day but if the viewers were there they could have continued to do it. There simply isn't enough of an audience that can't ingest this much MST3K and still be happy about it when it comes on the next day.

The worst of it all is considering the kinds of shows that have lived and thrived on these same two stations... I don't demand high entertainment 24-7 but Jesus, it's getting really bad out there. I can't even remember the last time I had an original Comedy Central show on and I can't recall the last time I had Sci-Fi on at all.

And then there were three (1)

nicnak (727633) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184451)

So now we're going to have two more MST-like shows in addition to the The Film Crew [wikipedia.org] with the later cast of Michael J. Nelson, Bill Corbett, and Kevin Murphy.

Its to bad they can't just cooperate and vary the cast from film to film.

The return of the original Mighty Voice! (3, Informative)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184467)

Man, just think of all the babes, the hot oil, the mango juice!

The summary is a bit confusing given that it lumps the two announcements together... There seems to be a bit of confusion about who's doing what and how...

Story 1: (announced earlier) The cast from the end of the series are doing some animated web shorts, using the MST3K characters
Story 2: (new) The cast from the beginning of the series are doing some live performances and DVDs and such of movie riffing - with no details yet on the exact format...

Re:The return of the original Mighty Voice! (1)

AugstWest (79042) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184675)

They changed my original title on the submission, the summary made much more sense as "Joel and the Bots are back!"

Re:The return of the original Mighty Voice! (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184775)

They changed my original title on the submission, the summary made much more sense as "Joel and the Bots are back!"
Well, Joel is back, the bots are back, but they're on separate projects... :D The Cinematic Titanic site doesn't say anything about there being bots involved...

Re:The return of the original Mighty Voice! (1)

LMacG (118321) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185631)

Do you mean Magic Voice?

Mighty Voice 101 (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185971)

Do you mean Magic Voice?
No, I don't mean Magic Voice...

Servo went through a few iterations in the show's pre-cable era... First he didn't talk, then he talked in this kinda Kermit-the-Frog or low key Pee-Wee Herman voice, and then he switched to the deep voice he used until the end of the first season on cable... It was at that point that he started calling himself "Tom" Servo, and talking about how his new "Mighty Voice" would get him all the babes...

All the early versions of Servo were voiced by Josh - the "Mighty Voice" was just him speaking a bit more naturally... It was a big switch, though, much bigger than the change when Kevin took over - it established Servo as being roughly the character we know today... "Mighty Voice" just refers to Servo after that change - I think Kevin used the phrase, too, when he first took over for Servo...

Just wait for the lawyers... (1)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184533)

Anyone started a betting pool as to when Twentieth Century Fox is going to sue for an injunction against Cinematic Titanic for trademark violation for use of the name Titanic?

Re:Just wait for the lawyers... (1)

joshforman (47647) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186087)

White Star Line probably has a better leg to stand on than TCF

will this be any better than rifftraks? (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184701)

I was wanting to check out what they did for Battlefield Earth but, to do so legally, one would have to buy the rifftraks AND a copy of Battlefield Earth. I'd be happy to do the former but not the latter.

Re:will this be any better than rifftraks? (1)

PenguinGuy (307634) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185909)

I rented a copy of Battlefield Earth...costs less and I don't have it around stinking up the place!

Re:will this be any better than rifftraks? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186043)

Ever heard of renting? They even have it on Netflix.

In honor of Halloween,,, (2, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184723)

MST3K ~ Samson vs. the Vampire Women
[We see an ominous castle in a deserted forest.]
[The camera zooms in on a dessicated woman's corpse in a casket.]
Crow: Let the Cher jokes... begin.
Servo: Hey, it looks like Cher! Heh heh heh...

[Vampire priestess Tandra calls on the goddess Selene, changing from her withered form to a hottie.]
Servo: Another successful José Eber makeover.
Crow [as Tandra]: I'm pretty, so I have value now.

[As Diana plays the "Moonlight" Sonata, four bats hover outside her window.]
Servo: Hey, the woodland creatures love her music!
Crow: I don't get the physics of a hovering bat.
Servo: The Vampire Precision Flight Team in formation!
Crow [as Bat]: I don't know how long I can keep this up!

Bi-MST3King... (1)

amccaf1 (813772) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184743)

As a fan of the original series, I excited.

The interesting thing is to note the difference in the types of movies being riffed by the Mike-lead MST3k alumni and the Joel-lead MST3k alumni. Mike's Rifftrax stuff generally (with a few exceptions) is making fun of modern blockbusters starring and directed by people we have actually heard of. While based on the description of Joel's first movie as "making 'Manos the Hands of Fate' look like 'Santa Claus Conquers the Martians' in a car wreck with 'Eegah!', it seems that Joel will be tackling the really obscure B-movies of the type they did on the original show.

Personally, one of the things I loved about the original series was not just the jokes, but the absolutely bizarre films that they got their hands on. I mean there are too many hilarious WTF moments in the films of say, Coleman Francis, that you simply will not find in modern films made by "professionals".

So, the fact that we'll be getting another batch of unheard of films to watch (with help) makes this announcement great news in my books...

(That said, Mike's group, The Film Crew, did do a set of obscure B-movies... but for some reason haven't announced any past the initial batch of four that they did.)

Wanna catch up with old MST3K episodes? (4, Informative)

g_adams27 (581237) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184749)

Wanna see what all the MST3K fuss is about? Old episodes (just about all of them, except for those that are commercially available) can be found at the Digital Archive Project [dapcentral.org] . Old episodes of the show encouraged viewers to "keep circulating the tapes", and the DAP guys are doing just that. For legal purposes they pull down any episodes whenever Rhino decides to package and sell them, but otherwise, just about everything is there.

Most episodes were encoded years ago in MPEG4 format, but there's an impressive (and growing) number available in higher quality DVD format.

Re:Wanna catch up with old MST3K episodes? (1)

rjmars97 (946970) | more than 6 years ago | (#21186073)

There are numerous other ways to get the episodes, since DAP can be a pain to use. For those of you that use DC, www.crowtrobot.com is a great place to get the episodes.

trumpy (2, Funny)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184843)

from Pod People: boy> wow trumpy you can do magic!! Tom Servo as trumpy, an alien> it's called Evil, kid

Humor controlled by the humorless (1)

chmod u+s (211367) | more than 6 years ago | (#21184985)

MST3k was officially dead/zombie-fied to me when they starting suing small live acts based on 'format similarity'. The folks in charge obviously have no sense of humor [bizjournals.com] .

Re:Humor controlled by the humorless (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185661)


Oh, come on -- "Mr. Sinus Theater 3000"? There's no question about whose intellectual property they were attempting to make money off of.

Contrast with something like Randy and Jason Sklar's series "Cheap Seats" on ESPN Classic. A couple of guys riffing on old TV sports footage. Familiar in concept, yes, but not a blatant knockoff. Mike and The Bots even make an appearance in once episode -- riffing on the Sklars' riffing.

Awesome news (2)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 6 years ago | (#21185187)

I have the complete set, My kids and I watch em all the time.

I miss Joel, although I prefer the later bots.

Every thanksgiving, we re-enact Turkey day from the days of yore on the Comedy Channel. Remember, way back in the days when Penn Gillette was th voice of Comedy Central? 24Hr MST3K Marathon.

I just want to take this opportunity to say, Thanks for coming back Joel!

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