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Kmart Drops Blu-Ray Players

CowboyNeal posted more than 6 years ago | from the priced-out-of-the-competition dept.

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Lord Byron II writes "K-mart has decided to stop selling Blu-Ray players in their stores, primarily because of the high cost of Blu-Ray compared to HD-DVD (now under $200). They will continue to sell the PS3 for the time being. Will lower prices speed the adoption of HD-DVD in the upcoming holiday shopping season?"

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Does this mean no blue light special... (5, Funny)

Puma_Concolor (842998) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206857)

... on a Blu-Ray player?


Re:Does this mean no blue light special... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21206891)

I see you every week on this bus, and have wanted to approach you
for a long time. But I don't, because the only reason I'm interested in
you is to fuck you, and I'd never betray my boyfriend to do it. If only
he wasn't living in another state right now...
          So every week I sit a few seats behind sit in one of
the senior citizen seats and chat with the bus driver, so if I sit in the
first seat that faces forward, I have a great view. It's a long bus ride
late at night, so we're usually the only two on it, and you get off only
a few stops before I do.
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you. First I prepare myself for bed, brushing my teeth and washing my
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to get excited by the feeling of the soft flannel sheet against my body.
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          I visualize you on the bus. The first thing I always notice is
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nuts. As I move up your body in my mind, I see your fat belly and sides,
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climax...but it's not time yet. I stop masturbating, but go further into
the fantasy. Now you're standing...we're in my bedroom. I walk up behind
you and wrap my arms around you. My breasts ache for attention as I
push them up against your strong back; the sensation of your ass against
my belly increases my desire. My hands wander over your t-shirt, lovingly
caressing every curve until I reach your small, soft breasts. You moan as
I fondle your nipples, feeling them become erect under my fingers. I
pinch them gently through the t-shirt and realize from your reaction that
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firmly squeezing your hips between my hands, moving down to your hard
thighs. My hands slide around to the front, and move closer and closer
to your bulging crotch, as if of their own volition.
          My arousal is becoming more insistent, so start to pull your shirt
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hands rest on my broad hips. I concentrate on the sensation -- your
smooth, uncalloused hands moving slowly from my hips forward onto my cunt is throbbing with desire.
          Your hands move up to my breasts, where you hold them through
their restraints. I can do nothing but stand motionless, nearly shaking
from the depth of my arousal. You finally unhook my bra, freeing my
breasts for your further ministrations. Immediately I feel my nipples
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          Much as I enjoy this, I realize that my original intention has
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and over...finally, I release your balls and lick my way up to your
cockhead in one motion, swiftly enveloping your penis with my mouth.
I begin to suck you, forming a firm ring with my lips and
sliding your cock in and out of my mouth. Sometimes I stop to play
my tongue over the underside or swirl it around the head, fondling
your balls with one hand and your ass with the other.
          I tire of this eventually, and grab one of your asscheeks in each
hand as I pump my head back and forth, moving faster and harder as I
sense your need increasing. Finally you tremble as cum shoots into
my mouth, and I cease my movements, concentrating on the taste of your
come and the feeling of your cock spasming in my mouth. After a minute,
we lie down on my bed.
          We continue to explore each other's bodies with our hands, while I
wait for you to recover. In a couple of minutes, I straddle you and we
caress each other's chests. I have always found this position to provide
the greatest sensitivity and enjoyment for me in this activity; something
to do with my breasts hanging free, no doubt. We apply our mouths as seem to particularly enjoy when I suck and nibble your
nipples at the same time. In any case, with my warm,
wet cunt resting on your penis and my hands caressing your body, you
rapidly become hard again.
          I slide your cock into my cunt and settle in, experiencing the
satisfying sensation of your cockhead just barely touching my cervix.
As you continue to hold my breasts, I start to fuck you, sliding almost
all the way up each time. I am oblivious to everything as I ride you
on my way to orgasm...I barely notice your warm, wet mouth on my nipples,
though it surely helps me on my way.
          My tense body rapidly reaches its first orgasm, and I get up off
of you, asking you if you might perhaps service me from behind. As you
readily agree, I get on my knees, with my elbows resting on the bed and
my legs spread slightly. Instead of the cock I expect, I feel your tongue
probing me and your hands fondling my buttocks -- something I am certainly
not about to object to.
          After a minute or two, I do indeed feel the expected pressure of your
cock entering me again. I clamp down on it, loving the feeling of you
pushing against me, until I again feel your cock on my cervix...this time
a little harder, but I am prepared now. I beg you to fuck me as hard
as you can, and you seem only too happy to oblige, as I feel you pounding
into me shortly thereafter.
          With this kind of pressure, neither of us can last long, and I start
to come only moments before you slam yourself against me one last time
and spend deep inside of me. You collapse on top of me, and we both
sink down to the bed, shifting after a few minutes into a more comfortable
sleeping position.

Re:Does this mean no blue light special... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21206997)

Parent here. I just wanted to apologize for posting this excerpt from my newest work of fiction. I realize nobody here wants to see my pathetic attempts at writing, and I can't believe I resorted to trolling in order to have it seen. I'm about to go and have a good, long think about my life, and how it managed to reach this tremendous low point. Sorry again, guys.

Re:Does this mean no blue light special... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207131) is -----> that way. []

Re:Does this mean no blue light special... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207505)

We're all glad you'll stop posting "fiction" about eating turds and fisting you homo freak.

Re: No Blue Light special on Blue Ray (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207363)

Not for the immediate futher, but don't rule them out yet... Sony has lost this kind of match before, back in the Beta vs VHS battle. Seems they forgot the lesson learned then.

Will lower prices speed the adoption of HD-DVD in the upcoming holiday shopping season?"

It means the lower cost and wider availability of a player, either player, will determine the outcome. Sony charged high prices and licenced their Betamax technology in the 70's, thus we had VHS as the eventual winner. Not learning from their prior mistake? No deja fubar?*

*fubar spelt that way for you anal types.

First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21206859)


Re:First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21206913)

It's not offtopic, it's true, it IS the first drop.


No clear winner, yet. (5, Insightful)

urcreepyneighbor (1171755) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206865)

Until the pirate community has made a decision, I'm waiting before I commit.

Re:No clear winner, yet. (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206919)

the player wars aren't really related cuz people who can crack the format, don't use the players, duh lol. And the ones who can't crack it have to use the players. The format wars is a different story though.
btw the only reason they should have dropped them IS the PS3. If you're gonna pay that much to watch a damn HD movie, you might as well be able to play games on it. It's like cell phones. I wanna call ppl but hey...Frogger! sure, why not lol

Re:No clear winner, yet. (4, Insightful)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207001)

The pirate community has made a decision: h.264 files on DVD+Rs.

So if that's your criteria, you just need to get a DVD player that can playback 1080p h.264.

Re:No clear winner, yet. (5, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207181)

The pirate community has made a decision: h.264 files on DVD+Rs.

Yes, and before DVD-Rs came out, it was Divx DVD-rips on CD-Rs. That only tells you what writable format is popular now, not what will be popular next.

Re:No clear winner, yet. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207331)

DVD9? The pirate community is running those off virtualized DVD drives on their hard disks. There is no winning hardware player. This is the age of the network.

Re:No clear winner, yet. (2, Funny)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207439)

Doesnt that mean that RAID 5 is the clear winner?

Works nicely for me. :)

Re:No clear winner, yet. (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207611)

Doesnt that mean that RAID 5 is the clear winner?

Too bad RAID 5 sucks [] .

Okay, fine, RAID 5 is good enough for data you don't care about, which would include pirated videos.

Re:No clear winner, yet. (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207445)

There never will be a clear winner. There's room in the market for both formats, especially since the physical media has identical dimensions. I think people had better settle into the idea that there won't be a consensus this round.

No. (2, Insightful)

NineNine (235196) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206867)

No. There's no content available, and the improvement over DVD isn't nearly enough to make people rush out and buy any kind of HD DVD any time soon.

Re:No. (5, Informative)

Valafar (309028) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206973)

WTF are you talking about? There's plenty of "content"; Just go to your local super electronics store and see for yourself. Every major studio release in the last 5 or 6 months is coming out on HD-DVD, Blu-Ray or both. What's more, there's a world of difference in quality if you actually own an HD TV. An up converting standard DVD player does a good job, but the difference with HD-DVD / Blu-Ray is definitely noticeable.

The backers of HD-DVD are being far more intelligent from a marketing stand point than Sony+Blue-Ray. Cheaper players, Combo discs (Standard DVD + HD-DVD in the same package) and they have better penetration into the markets that actually matter (Wal-Mart, for example).

Re:No. (1, Interesting)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207053)

It was a great move by Sony to put Blu-ray in the PS3, though. The PS3 is why Blu-ray is still outselling HD-DVD by a very large margin, despite the far cheaper HD-DVD players.

Re:No. (2, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206983)

I really don't care either way. What does it matter if I rent movies on bluray or if I rent them on HD-DVD? It's not like I'm going to own them. And it's not like I'm going to waste my money buying a movie on either format (seriously, how many fucking times can you watch the same god damn movie?!). So they can use whatever they feel like and I'll rent on that format. At least, until everything is instantly available via streaming and physical media won't matter anyway.

I have one word for you ... (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207455)

And it's not like I'm going to waste my money buying a movie on either format (seriously, how many fucking times can you watch the same god damn movie?!

  1. SPACEBALLS! or Serenity. or Firefly, or Frasier. or Scrooged! or Terminator. or Bladerunner. or M*A*S*H

  2. If that's not enough - here's a collection of 2 more words a piece: Groundhog Day, Battlestar Galactica, Blazing Saddles, True Lies. Total Recall. Office Space.

  3. Or 3 - The Blues Brothers (the original, not the sequel), Dead Like Me, 50 First Dates, Last Action Hero. School of Rock, Weekend at Bernies'

Not everyone is going to agree with everything on the list, but I'm sure most of us have stuff we'd like to see over and over, like Harold and Kumar Go To Whitecastle, 2 White Chicks, most of the James Bond movies, pretty much anything with Sean Connery (The Rock, for example).

Re:I have one word for you ... (1)

Molochi (555357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207645)

You know, the last DVD set I bought was Firefly. That was a couple of years ago and I only bought it because I didn't want to wait for the rental to see the episodes I missed when FOX fucked with the scheduling. I watched the series a few times, but it would've been cheaper if I just Netflixed it. I don't really think I'll ever buy a another disk. I've got a pretty good memory, so I don't have a compelling reason to see most movies more than once, even if they're really good. Hell, I can't even be bothered to download them anymore, why would I go buy them? I'll just wait till they show up in my mailbox.

Re:I have one word for you ... (1)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207719)

You forgot The Princess Bride.

Which, btw, is great from iTunes, and is only 1 of 2 reasons I can see the demand for a video iPod (the other being BSG).

Re:No. (5, Interesting)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207165)

It'll be a slower adoption than we saw with DVDs, but considering that we're approaching the point where a HD-DVD player isn't considerably more than the cost of a decent regulat DVD player, I have a feeling that consumers looking to buy a new DVD player will be willing to jump for the extra $50 to get a HD-DVD unit.

Rumor is that we'll be seeing players costing between $100 and $150 in the next month, which is almost low enough to be in the 'Impulse Buy' range. Because HD-DVD players are of course backward compatible, and typically offer some sort of upscaling, they'll sell enough of these things to consumers who aren't even particularly interested in buying HD-DVD discs so that there's not nearly as much of a chicken/egg situation between players and discs. For now, there's enough content to get by and make it worthwhile.

So, no. We won't see a massive rush to upgrade to HD-DVD. However, players should begin to slowly seep into the marketplace, and after a few years, it'll be 'mainstream'. HD-capable TVs are also becoming increasingly common these days, and I'd bet that consumers shelling out money for a new TV will also spring for a HD-DVD player, considering the low price.

Unless sony drops the price of their Blu-Ray equipment, Blu-Ray is dead in the water. Have they already forgotten BetaMax?

But it's not just the player... (1)

ChePibe (882378) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207231)

It's the HDTV you have to hook the player up to that keeps a lot of people out of the market. With the price of a decent HDTV still out of the reach of so many, it will slow things down even more.

Great post, though. I hadn't realized just how cheap those HD players were getting... it's going to be a lot harder to talk the wife into an XBox 360 now... dang it...

Re:But it's not just the player... (3, Insightful)

modecx (130548) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207607)

Huh. I can go down to Costco and pick up a name brand 42 inch 1080(P!) LCD HDTV that actually does have 1920x1080 pixels, for just over a thousand dollars. It has HDMI and all sorts of other connectors out the wazoo. HDTV is not out of the range of as many people as you think, and the situation has improved 100% over last year. When I go for a walk, I'm always seeing a new shiny, new wide screen monitor through someone's window, where there was none before.

It's a funny thing. When you become a landlord, you notice that people you think would be desperate enough not to want to pay $60/month for cable ALMOST ALWAYS DO--and they almost always prefer to neglect everything else but the cable TV bill. Back when I owned real estate, I used to cut my poorer tenants slack. I'd pay the water bill so they wouldn't let my lawn die. I pitched in on the electricity and gas because I couldn't see them living in the dark, shivering to death.

When I found out that oh, 80% percent (my experience) of the people in this situation in life would rather have deluxe fucking digital cable TV than running water, or heat... I lost all sympathy. I mean, this was at a time where I just got basic cable six months before, because it was like $3 more after I got the internet package from Comcast. I will not ever pay that much for freaking TV. So, anyway, I kicked their asses out and eventually sold my rentals. They now live in cold, dark closets of apartments and I'm much happier.

Lesson is, if people slowed down on the Cable, starbucks, restaurants and other money pits in their lives, a vast majority of them could afford nice things. Maybe it's not some strange coincidence that lots of people who aren't good with money end up the low person on the totem pole?

Re:No. (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207499)

I don't really plan to buy either a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player. Either would obviously be a product without any real use. Digital downloads are a more practical way to get media and are obviously the way of the future. Apple TV and similar products are the way content purchase and playback will be in the near future.

Re:No. (3, Insightful)

xigxag (167441) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207523)

Unless sony drops the price of their Blu-Ray equipment, Blu-Ray is dead in the water. Have they already forgotten BetaMax?

This is not a directly comparable situation. Blu-Ray isn't going to die because it lives in every PS3 that is sold. Even if all the other studios switch (and it will take a lot for Disney to lose face and switch) Sony will continue to offer Blu-Ray content for the forseeable future. Not to mention, Blu-Ray burners store more and are likely to be predominant in the storage arena unless the HD-DVD people start making cheap burners too. So on second thought, maybe it is comparable in the sense that it actually took Betamax a long time to die, twenty-seven years according to Wikipedia [] . In that length of time, chances are neither HD-DVD nor BluRay will resemble what we see today, if they exist at all.

Fact is, Sony had a chance to end this war before it started by compromising a bit and agreeing to use HDi/iHD instead of BD-J. Its hatred for all things Microsoft caused it to make a monumental blunder. And in snubbing Redmond, it couldn't even come off as a champion of the people because of the extreme "Sony Style" DRM built into Blu-Ray.

Re:No. (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207849)

I think there's enough room for more than one standard these days... particularly for a while (until HDTV gets more prevalent)... and while that happens, it'll be up to the bigger players to leverage studio support with bundles... because if Disney stays Blu-Ray... little Joey Spankomeister will want his Cars Blu-Ray long before mom considers the implications of blu-ray/HD. :)

Of course Disney was a prime backer of Divx (because they're greedy bastards)... but that was half-hearted, since in Europe (where Divx wasn't a grand experiment), they were all about the DVD. ;)

I'm hedging my bets (I've got both right now, because some movies are HD-DVD only...) and just buying the "must-haves" for now. :)

Redmond's "championing" of the HD-DVD standard will most likely result in a 2.0 version of HD-DVD with even more DRM once the leverage against blu-ray does its damage. Generosity, thinking of the customer, and comfortable DRM isn't in Microsoft's SOP... and their mindset with phoning-home their OS shows us that if they have any leverage at all in making HD-DVD win... they'll get their concessions (since the firmware's not set in stone anymore) and HD-DVD will make Blu-Ray DRM look like a picnic. Call me skeptical. ;)

Rain Man (5, Funny)

weak* (1137369) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206875)

Charlie: Tell him, Ray.

Ray: Kmart sucks.

Irrelevant (4, Insightful)

monkeySauce (562927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206879)

Who the hell buys electronics at Kmart, anyway?

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21206917)

Well, I stopped by one a few weeks ago when I was searching for a Wii, but that was only because I had literally called or visited every other store in town.

Of course, they didnt have one, but a store in the mall got a shipment the next day.

Re:Irrelevant (4, Funny)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206991)

Guitar Hero three just came out, and me and two buddies went around town looking for it. He didn't pre-order and the first three stores were sold out of the 360 version (all had Wii version however) until we got to...Kmart. We went to the electronics section and sure enough there on the shelf was 1 360 box left. He wasn't the only one that wanted it, apparently this group of 3 kids, too short to reach the top shelf, were waiting for their older brother or something to get it down for them. Well my friend didn't know this so he grabbed it and walked to the register, and the kids started crying and shouting that he stole it. Sucks for them, he still bought it.

So yeah, people still buy electronics at Kmart :)

Re:Irrelevant (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207113)

They usually have good sales on DS games

Re:Irrelevant (2)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207207)

Who the hell buys electronics at Kmart, anyway?

People slightly more affluent than those that buy their electronics at Wal-Mart...

What do I win?

Re:Irrelevant (1)

monkeySauce (562927) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207249)

What do I win?
A sucker seems fitting.

Re:Irrelevant (1)

SpaceballsTheUserNam (941138) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207219)

not that many, i used to sell electronics at k-mart

Re:Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207267)

I am waiting for that sub-200 HD-DVD/BlueRay combo... []

Re:Irrelevant (2, Funny)

Trillan (597339) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207465)

Someone who doesn't want to buy tiles from Best Buy.

A lot of average people... (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207669)

...who don't read Slashdot and know diddly squat about technology.

In other words, everyone else.

kmart shoppers can't afford blu-ray (4, Funny)

t35t0r (751958) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206893)

blu-ray at kmart? that's like trying to sell benz's in the ghetto at retail prices.

Wow (4, Insightful)

kithrup (778358) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206895)

K-Mart is still around?

Re:Wow (1)

Verity_Crux (523278) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207117)

K-Mart is still around?

Not in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Let me tell you about their genius there. Once upon a time there was no Wal-Mart in Idaho Falls. K-Mart was in a good location near the freeway where many people from the surrounding area went to shop. Then, over a short period of time, the east side of the city became popular (even though it took 20min from the freeway to get across town). The mall was there. A new Wal-Mart went in there. Etc. So what does K-Mart do? They up and move across town into a fancy new building right next to Wal-Mart. Genius, I tell ya. That made thousands of people drive across town cussing on their way to Wal-Mart. Within three years K-Mart was gone. They gave up a great location for what reason? None of us could ever figure it out... If K-Mart were smart, they'd move away from Wal-Mart, not towards it. The exact same situation exists in my current town. Wal-Mart and K-Mart are on one end of town with Wal-Mart being 200 yards closer to the population. If K-Mart were on the other end of town (20 min away), they'd be doing fine. The one grocery store on that lonely end of town makes a killing.

Re:Wow (1)

Ken_g6 (775014) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207213)

Sort of. Kmart died and was reborn as a cheap sales outlet for Sears.

Is that like S-Mart? (1)

Molochi (555357) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207497)

I haven't seen a K-Mart in years. It's all WalMarts and Targets now.

I was expecting sony to really drop the price on (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206899)

the PS3... I mean, their price drop was good, but if they want to win this war, they should have lowered more and kept PS2 compatibility with the PS3 instead of gimping it. I'm waiting until after x-mas to see which is the winner... looking like its going to be HD-DVD... i've already seen TV ads, and thats half the battle right there

Re:I was expecting sony to really drop the price o (2, Interesting)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206961)

You realize that it's been years now, right? And that there hasn't been a winner yet. A PS3 is like $400. A HDDVD player is like $200. If you buy either and the associated media format fades into obscurity it's not that big a deal - especially compared to the nice HDTV you'd have to get to make it matter at all.

Re:I was expecting sony to really drop the price o (1)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207811)

You realize that it's been years now, right?

Like... one. That's a lot of months!

Motivation (2, Interesting)

Wolvie MkM (661535) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206905)

Get out the tinfoil hats but I wonder if the HD-DVD group "persuaded" K-Mart with a wack of cash to dump BR ala Paramount?

Re:Motivation (2, Insightful)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207125)

It's about the Kmart market. They don't exactly get the upper-income bracket as their customers... As previous posters have already stated, You won't sell many Mercedes Benz in the ghetto (although some might get stolen...).

Sorry to be that harsh, but it is the reality that the people shopping at Kmart are shopping there to get the product that is cheap and meets their function, which means HD-DVD for them, because it is cheap and meets their function, overall specs be damned. Sony et. al. blu-ray camp needs to step up their manufacturing to bring down their costs. They also need to start getting some real marketing and PR done and soon. This holiday season may decide the format war. The PS3 helps, but they need to get some games out for that. I myself have only bought 2, and one of them I don't even play because I forgot how much I HATE FPS's on consoles (give me my mouse...).

Re:Motivation (1)

rsmoody (791160) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207359)

This opposed to the "wack of cash" that Target received to dump HD ala Sony?

Re:Motivation (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207513)

Or the $150 million paid to Paramount to suspend Blu-Ray support for 1 year?

Re:Motivation (1)

plover (150551) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207795)

This opposed to the "wack of cash" that Target received to dump HD ala Sony?

Really? I find that hard to believe, Max. While I loathe Sony, I don't think they can buy the whole market that easily. And they'd have to pay off a lot more companies than Target: Best Buy, WalM*rt, Dixons, etc.

About 30 seconds of surfing tells me that if Target received cash from Sony to dump HD-DVD, then it was money poorly spent by Sony: carries two HD-DVD players for $299 and $249 [] (a Toshiba and a 'Venturer'?) and they offer 218 HD-DVD titles, while they carry only one Sony Blu-Ray player for $499, [] and 237 Blu-Ray titles. (Apparently that player is marked to the people who don't want to spend $499 for a PS3.)

According to the descriptions, they do not carry any of the three dedicated players in stock at their stores, only on line. The PS3 is for sale in the stores, of course, as is the XBox add-on HD-DVD drive, and many HD movies in both formats.

You might want to check your tinfoil hat. Apparently it's failing to block irrational Sony fanboi conspiracies.

$98 hd-dvd (3, Interesting)

notext (461158) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206929)

Rumor has it walmart will have the toshiba A2 hd-dvd for $98 on black friday []

Re:$98 hd-dvd (1)

rsmoody (791160) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207375)

Um, actually that's on 11/2 that this sale is happening. You can read more over at and the forum there.

Re:$98 hd-dvd (1)

notanatheist (581086) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207759)

Shh, keep it down. I don't want to have to get there too early for one. Sub-$100 I will not argue with. At $200 it would be tempting but I could wait. Stores are supposed to have at least 10 each and available at 8am.

It makes sense (5, Insightful)

maniac/dev/null (170211) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206941)

It makes sense, in a twisted kinda way. If you were the average joe who had no clue, which would you want? Something with an unfamiliar name, or something named with HD and DVD right in the title? What if that second one was around half the price?

Re:It makes sense (1)

goatpunch (668594) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207491)

I've seen recent TV commercials where they say "coming soon on DVD and High Def Blu-Ray" or "coming soon on DVD and Blu-Ray DVD". Shows there's a problem with the consumers' awareness if the name needs to be qualified like that.

Kmart owned by Sears (1)

snilloc (470200) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206953)

I wonder if this means anything for Sears, since Kmart is owned by Sears Holdings (ticker symbol SHLD).

Re:Kmart owned by Sears (2, Informative)

Techogeek (1148745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207065)

It's the other way around.. Kmart owns Sears.. []

Re:Kmart owned by Sears (1)

xigxag (167441) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207561)

You're both right. K-mart bought Sears, but the resulting company is Sears Holding Corp, which owns K-mart. Sort of like the way SBC bought AT&T and then took on the name of its victim, er, acquisition.

Took on the name of its victim. We should call these "Sylar buyouts."

Last ditch atttempt to keep HD-DVD alive (-1, Troll)

stox (131684) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206965)

Unless they score a lot of sales of cheap HD-DVD players this christmas, HD-DVD is dead. They're getting as cheap as DIVX players.

Player sales don't even matter (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207135)

It's movie sales that count, so even if they sold a ton of cheap players unless that translates to dramatically higher media sales HD-DVD still has problems - and look at the lackluster release lineup the rest of the year!

The best week HD-DVD ever had was the recent Transformers release. In that week, Blu-Ray movies still managed to outsell HD-DVD! So what happens now that Spider Man 3 and other large hits are coming out Blu-Ray only?

Re:Player sales don't even matter (1)

sweepkick (531861) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207793)

Sony and the BDA countered the Transformers release with a buy-one-get-one-free campaign... they had to *give away* discs to maintain their lead. Considering a 4 million installed base for the PS3, a 51:49 percent lead is pretty pathetic when you take into account the freebies. At any rate, the war is really just beginning, and the dust will settle after *this* holiday season. BTW: if you care about fair use, you should be rooting for HD-DVD.

The PS3 isn't a Blu-Ray player??? (3, Insightful)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206989)

Just a little bias in the article post: "They will continue to sell the PS3 for the time being".

1.) The PS3 is a Blu-Ray player, arguably the best, that's what I bought mine for.
2.) "Time Being" meaning to imply Kmart may drop the PS3 also? And not sell all 3 of the current generation game players? Not likely.

HD-DVD could win, but in general people are not buying quality 1080P HDTVs at Kmart, they are buying cut rate 720P stuff that doesn't look that much better with HD-DVD than upscaled DVD.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't good for Blu-Ray, but it isn't the sky falling either.

WalMart has Toshiba HD A2 for $98.87 Nov 2nd (4, Informative)

jbridges (70118) | more than 6 years ago | (#21206999)

WalMart has the Toshiba HD A2 for $98.87 as of 8am on November 2nd 2007. []

I believe they may include the free 5 HD DVDs deal, which alone is worth $100.

I'd say that is breaking the price barrier holding back acceptance!!

(I know I'm buying two, one for us, and one for my inlaws for Christmas)

Re: You are making an assumption (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207085)

Your supposition is that there are millions of people that have been on the fence the last year and a half just waiting for this moment and will now pounce. A high percentage of these players will go to Blu-Ray owners who just want to hedge their bets and play a few must have titles they can't get on Blu-Ray.

HD enthusiasts already have players and J6P often hooks his brand new HDTV up to a progressive scan player with a composite cable. Someone needs to build these players into a good HDTV so the lay public doesn't have to get the Wires and the Settings correct.

Re: You are making an assumption (1)

causality (777677) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207393)

Someone needs to build these players into a good HDTV so the lay public doesn't have to get the Wires and the Settings correct.

What's that joke, that the definition of "expert" is "someone who can read the manual?" Seriously, I don't feel the slightest bit of sorrow for people who are defeated by the requirement that they do a (very) small amount of one-time research to fully utilize their high-dollar equipment. The more expensive said equipment is, the more senseless it is to allow your own laziness to keep you from enjoying its full capabilities, and someone who experiences lower quality because of this simple principle is merely paying the Willful Helplessness Tax. "Garbage in, garbage out" doesn't just apply to computers. Please, stop portraying these people as victims of "defective" products; this world has become dumbed-down enough already.

Re: Wow, what an arrogant stance (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207819)

About 3 years ago I hooked up a friend's progressive DVD player to their HDTV. The SERVICE man from the store it was purchased from had hooked it up with a composite cable. I got them a component cable and hooked it up (that part was easy) but spent the better part of an hour getting the settings right on BOTH the TV and the DVD, which had to have both in progressive mode and inputting/outputting through the Component cable, and navigating to these settings was far from straight forward. If you didn't set the DVD correctly then whatever signal is was sending put only showed as B&W on the set. Maybe things have improved in the last 3 years, but in general things shouldn't be this obtuse. Since I am a programmer for a living I think if I have problems installing it then J6P shouldn't be expected to suffer with it. And for the record I have been homebrew HDTV since 2002 with a MyHD card so I am hardly a novice at these things.

In general things should be smart enough to just work when you plug them together, but this isn't always the case with HDTV. If J6P doesn't get an HDMI cable with his TV and HD player he likely will not know he needs one. But I see you would rather he just think HDTV is a scam.

It's because J6P is slow to adopt that the HDTV roll out has been slow. If you want HDTV you want it to be simple for J6P also.

Re:WalMart has Toshiba HD A2 for $98.87 Nov 2nd (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207199)

At that price point who cares about the player, it's the media. Which is why I wouldn't use a high-def player if I got it for free.

Re:WalMart has Toshiba HD A2 for $98.87 Nov 2nd (1)

Ken_g6 (775014) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207297)

If 5 free HD-DVDs are included, the media price is less of an issue.

The problem I see is the price of HDTVs, without which HD-DVD is pointless. Except for a few small, cheap models, most of the ones I see on are $500 and up. This as opposed to SDTV digital TVs, many of which are under $200.

Re:WalMart has Toshiba HD A2 for $98.87 Nov 2nd (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207511)

Is it any 5 DVDs?

Re:WalMart has Toshiba HD A2 for $98.87 Nov 2nd (1)

imstanny (722685) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207311)

(I know I'm buying two, one for us, and one for my inlaws for Christmas)

Yeah, that's about as likely as getting a PS3 for $99. I guarantee you that they have a dozen of those, which you will never get - lest you camp outside their store 24 hours in advance. These 'too good to be true' deals are posted to get you through the door on Black Friday; they'll be the first to go. And that's if there's any left - the workers there will probably get first 'dibs'. When you realize they're all sold out, you're gonna go to look for other deals since you're already there, which is why they are willing to sell several HD-DVD players for dirt cheap. Might as well get a Phillips DVP-5982 player that plays DIVX and up-converts regular DVDs to 1080P and can be had for less than $70. But, hey, those are my 2 cents, and best of all; they're free!

Kmart vs Wal-Mart (4, Interesting)

Techogeek (1148745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207017)

Kmart to drop Blue Ray sales and Wal-Mart to sell a sub-$100 HD DVD player. [] See the pattern here? Both Kmart and Walmart are among the top leading names in budget department stores.

Video On Demand Makes BluRay/HD-DVD Irrelevant (2, Insightful)

Ron Bennett (14590) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207041)

Video-on-demand, both on cable and via internet, will make blu-ray / HD-DVD irrevelant ...

Sure some people will buy / use such players, but most people are skipping right to utilizing video-on-demand instead ... and with ever increasing affordable, even free (ie. YouTube / Wifi, etc), bandwidth, VoD is well on the way to drive the newer physical HD formats to a premature extinction.


Re: Maybe in 10 or 20 years (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207173)

Everybody always totes this statement out in regards to HD media, but in case you haven't noticed not everybody is hooked up to broadband, and those that are don't have uniformly high download rates. It will be a player sure, but not full high quality because bandwidth tempts you to scrimp on file size, and even those downloading these overly compressed HD files will only account for at most 10-20% of the HD market the next 3-5 years. And that assumes studios can control piracy, because if you condition people to download HD, I guarantee you will also see a rise in piracy. At least with Discs someone still has to burn or press them.

Re:Video On Demand Makes BluRay/HD-DVD Irrelevant (4, Insightful)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207275)

Yeah, but video on demand isn't going to happen for another 10 or more years. Remember, 1080p is something like 40mbps. Comcast currently tops of at around 6mbps. Just imagine the bandwidth comcast would need for even 20% of it's customers all streaming 40mbps on a Friday night for 2 hours. They would also need a multitude of servers that could handle streaming all that data out.

The per-user cost of the routers, servers, and set-top boxes has got to be well over twice as much as a blu-ray or HD-DVD player is now. I'm not saying it won't happen, it's just not there yet and I don't see cable companies as smart enough to figure it out.

Re:Video On Demand Makes BluRay/HD-DVD Irrelevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207401)

The quality of video on demand, and of all cable and satellite broadcasts for that matter SUCKS. They compress the hell out of their content (yes, hi-def). It has spider artifacts and block artifacts out the ass.

HD-DVD on the other hand has almost imperceptible compression. For anyone with a good TV and a decent set of eyes the difference is clear. But most people are happy with VHS...

I already have VOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207531)

I rip DVDs, copy them to my hard drive, and can watch whichever one I demand whenever I like.

I'm looking forward to the day when my home video library has as many numbers of items in it as my home collection of .mp3s.

Being YOUR OWN library and serving yourself content, instead of being some restrictive corporation's streamed media bitches, is the real future.

Re:Video On Demand Makes BluRay/HD-DVD Irrelevant (1)

Robert1 (513674) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207539)

It's comments like these that show how detached from society some slashdot readers are. The average American doesn't know, doesn't use and doesn't care about on demand video. The average American is happy to buy DVDs. Yes, you as a tech savy individual use it, know its benefits etc. How many families have a video-out from their computer to TV? Less than a tenth of a percent?

Remember, you don't represent the average individual.

Sony Betamax, Sony Minidisc, Sony Blu-Ray (5, Funny)

SEE (7681) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207047)

One of these things is just like the others.
All of these things plainly belong.
Can you tell what point that I am making,
by the time I finish my song?

Three of these things belong together
Three of these things are kind of the same
Can you guess what point I am making?
Now it's time to play our game

Re:But some successes also (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207243)

I'm not sure I'd call Betamax a failure, though VHS did eventually overtake and beat it. No format lasts forever. Beta lasted for like 20 years. You also fail to mention CDs, 3 1/2 floppy discs, or that Sony was co-founder of the original DVD spec. Toshiba was mostly to blame for the DVD forum not agreeing on a standard with Sony.

Re:Sony Betamax, Sony Minidisc, Sony Blu-Ray (1)

Dracos (107777) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207315)

You forgot Memory Stick, and several others.

What's the tally on proprietary formats Sony has failed to impose on the market? 11?

HD DVD = Beta max but inferior to competition (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207449)

For Consumer Electronics we have:
HD DVD = Toshiba

Blu-ray = Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer, Sharp, Hitachi, Samsung, Philips, Mitsubishi and LG.

For computer drives we have:
HD DVD = Toshiba

Blu-ray = Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer

For burner technology we have:
HD DVD = 1X single layer (15GB) HD DVD-R

Blu-ray = BD-R 4X (50GB) Dual layer & BD-RE (rewritable)

HD DVD = none

Blu-ray = 2 Hitachi blu-ray recording camcorder models.

HD DVD is the beta max of this generation except that it is not technically superior like beta was compared with VHS.

I won't invest in another DRM platform (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207189)

I'm not investing in another platform designed to remove my fair use rights. If the entertainment industry doesn't want to distribute their products in easy to use file formats without DRM, I'm not interested in their products. How many bad movies have I paid to see over the years and felt cheated at not being able to get my money back. There are better ways to entertain myself than watching my rights drain away. Sony is obviously doing Betamax II just so the next generation can enjoy a Sony bomb too.

Oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207193)

So what? Bluray sucks.

HD-DVD Wins... (4, Insightful)

nametaken (610866) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207233)

...but not because of K-Mart. HD-DVD won the day they named it that.

People don't know anything about one format or the other, or even care, but they know HD is good and DVD sounds familiar and easy to use. HD-DVD was a great move because it leveraged the gajillions of dollars that have already been pumped into marketing "HD" and "DVD", and the familiarity that goes with both.

Re:HD-DVD Wins... (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207367)

...but not because of K-Mart. HD-DVD won the day they named it that.

People don't know anything about one format or the other, or even care, but they know HD is good and DVD sounds familiar and easy to use. HD-DVD was a great move because it leveraged the gajillions of dollars that have already been pumped into marketing "HD" and "DVD", and the familiarity that goes with both.
Uh.... no. It confuses consumers who think an HD DVD player is a upscaling DVD player or they think their existing upscaling DVD player will play back HD DVDs.

Most average joes I've spoken to believe Blu-ray is the future even if they personally have not bought one yet.

If you count PS3's, blu-ray has a 10:1 hardware lead in most markets a lead in disc sales ranging from 2:1 in Canada/US to 9:1 in Japan.

Blu-ray has Disney and any parent would tell you that Disney is were it's at for children's films.

Observations in Singapore (2, Interesting)

rubenerd (998797) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207247)

I think this development is very telling, but its just a symptom not just of BluRay's failure, but the whole market for higher definition optical media.

I'm an Aussie but I've lived nearly my whole life in Singapore where electronic gadgets are not just a nice thing to have, they're almost status symbols, like most parts of affluent Asia I assume. When DVDs came along everyone was scrambling to get the latest devices, televisions and movie releases on the new format, but here we are in 2007 and only a handful of retailers here even know what BluRay and HDDVD players are, let alone sell them. In SINGAGPORE, one of the high tech capitals of the world. It's mind boggling.

So this Kmart in the United States story doesn't really surprise me. What I'm interested to know though is the overall market for high definition optical media not just "us" versus "them" Betamax style. Do many of you in the States own such players? Do you have many movies? Have you really paid much attention to it? Is it as bleak in your part of the world as it is in ours?

I think price is just one of many factors relating to slow adoption, and it's not the primary one.

Is something better coming along? (5, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207309)

Blu-Ray and HD don't have enough capacity to store really good HDTV without overcompression. Everything still blurs during motion and pans. Then, when motion stops, enough data comes in for the decompressor to catch up. Yuck. That's why the demo content in the stores is either near-static scenes without camera pans, or something with so much action that you can't see the artifacts. Long, slow pans still suck. They suck for 24FPS film, too, but we have the technology to do better now.

Right now, the displays are better than the storage medium. You can buy 1080p flat screens without any problem. Some of them can even do 60FPS. We need 4x to 8x as much data on the storage medium to feed those big, fast screens properly.

This will probably happen after the NFL figures out some way to transmit football at 60FPS.

Re:Is something better coming along? (1)

mdenham (747985) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207777)

Well... 60FPS 1080p video is ~1.6TB/hr uncompressed (DVD-quality video, at 480p and 30FPS, is ~160GB/hr uncompressed, for a comparison).

Compressing it to the same rate means a 50GB disk is good enough to hold the whole video, assuming your cables are capable of transmitting the signal to the TV quickly enough - so Blu-Ray has enough space (on a double-layer disk) to store the video without any extras right now at the same compression.

The only conclusion I can get from what you're saying is that DVDs therefore are overcompressed by a factor of 2-4 as well.

I do agree that it'd be nice if we could successfully have, say, the entirety of the LOTR trilogy in uncompressed 1080p ~60FPS on one disk, though (which would take a roughly 20TB disk) - or sufficient bandwidth per channel for the same (~1Gbit/channel * ~600 channels = "hi, your cable bill will be $700/month" probably for the near future).

Re:Is something better coming along? (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207827)

Everything still blurs during motion and pans.

Umm....exactly? Blur is a result of shutter speed, not compression. Broadcast HDTV does not have the bandwidth for a perfect picture and shows plenty of artifacts. HD DVD/Blu-ray is pristine.

meh (1)

PenguinGuy (307634) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207323)

Don't have a HDTV, so I don't need either. On top of that, the HD-DVD player has to be plugged into a network connection?!?! I don't think so. I should be able to watch something without having the player contact God knows who for some reason..

Re:meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21207661)

Exactly. That's why TIVO hasn't taken off, either.

Re:meh (1)

sweepkick (531861) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207713)

The player doesn't require an ethernet connection to *function*, but the HD-DVD *specifications* require that an ethernet port is built in to any HD-DVD unit for firmware updates et. al.

Big difference.

Its the media... (1)

michaelepley (239861) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207365)

Who cares about the price of the players? You are likely to spend much more on the media over its lifetime than the purchase price for the player. I'd like to see either HD DVDs or Blu-ray discs at least comparable to previous generation DVDs before committing to a technology.

Fanbois proven wrong yet again (3, Interesting)

xigxag (167441) | more than 6 years ago | (#21207609)

Fanboys have been lamenting this "stupid" "pointless" format war from the beginning but this just proves it has been wonderful from the consumer point of view. Had there been only one format, chances are we'd still have to pay $400-$500 minimum for players. Thank you, competition.
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