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Joss Whedon Back on TV

Zonk posted more than 6 years ago | from the dear-fox-please-don't-suck dept.

Sci-Fi 289

tokenhillbilly writes "Joss Whedon of 'Buffy' and 'Firefly' fame has signed on to do another TV series on Fox starring Eliza Dushku (Faith from 'Buffy'). The series is going to be called Dollhouse, and the story surrounds a group of people 'programmed' to do missions out of a sort of high-tech dorm. '[The series] follows a top-secret world of people programmed with different personalities, abilities and memories depending on their mission. After each assignment -- which can be physical, romantic or even illegal -- the characters have their memories wiped clean, and are sent back to a lab (dubbed the "Dollhouse"). [The] show centers on Dushku's character, Echo, as she slowly begins to develop some self-awareness, which impacts her missions.'"

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Cooool... (0, Offtopic)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217711)

Number five is alive!

Sounds somewhat like Gunslinger Girl. (4, Interesting)

Dorceon (928997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217713)

If the opening is "The Light Before We Land" by The Delgados I'm totally calling foul.

Re:Sounds somewhat like Gunslinger Girl. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217953)

WEEABOO, WEEABOO, WEEABOO

Did someone say weeaboo? (0, Offtopic)

samwh (921444) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218149)

Because I think I just heard someone say weeaboo.

Re:Sounds somewhat like Gunslinger Girl. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218109)

No, the Gunslinger Girls just had certain emotional responses suppressed. No empathy, fear, being startled, and little physical pain. In addition, they have this implanted emotional response to their handler. The series focused on the handlers remorse for their own lack of morality and the potential mental unhinging of the girls.

Watch out for episode 3 (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217715)

In episode 3 Echo downloads a music track and spends the rest of the episode evading the RIAA.

Re:Watch out for episode 3 (3, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217819)

> In episode 3 Echo downloads a music track and spends the rest of the episode evading the RIAA.

For bonus points, the track is "Still Alive", but because this is a Joss Whedon series, there's at least one invocation of Rule 34 with "Eliza Dushku, the Companion Cube, and the Portal Gun".

Not a troll (1, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217725)

Just an opinion.

Am I the only one that cannot stand a single thing this man has ever released? All his shit feels the same and looks the same...like shit.

Seriously now. The writing is horrid, he doesn't make me care about ANY of his characters, the situations that occur are just ridiculous...I know that many MANY people love his work, but man...I have yet to see anything from this guy that I even remotely enjoy...

Re:Not a troll (0)

jcicora (949398) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217775)

Wow, I thought everyone who would fall in /.'s target market would be in the target market for Buffy and Firefly. You must be the exception that proves the rule!

Re:Not a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217875)

Well, no. Some of us like plots to make sense and be internally consistent, and have character interaction unpolluted by Dawson's Creek.

Re:Not a troll (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217993)

count me out, Buffy was interesting for about 1 series

Re:Not a troll (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217887)

I hated Buffy. A Lot.

Angel was intersting, and different and we found in enjoyable, as was Firefly.

"The writing is horrid..."

Yeah, you're about the only one.

Re:Not a troll (4, Interesting)

Phroggy (441) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218241)

Buffy was painful, but funny enough that I enjoyed it anyway, and the crazy stuff they did (an episode without dialog, an episode without music, an episode with the dialog in Swedish, an Rodgers & Hammerstein style over-the-top musical, a dream sequence where a character is walking between sets in ways that seem impossible, killing a regular character in the middle of a season, introducing a new character who "had always been there" with no explanation whatsoever until several episodes later, etc. etc.) is what made me a big fan.

Angel was just as painful, but tried to take itself way too seriously. Had good moments, but nothing that really hooked me. Firefly was brilliant.

Re:Not a troll (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218299)

When I read Buffy scripts I am like "Hey, thats pretty funny!" And it's a genre I generally find entertaining it's surprising I don't like it. I think it was the actors.

 

Re:Not a troll (1)

jgarra23 (1109651) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218057)

Am I the only one that cannot stand a single thing this man has ever released? All his shit feels the same and looks the same...like shit.

I agree. His dialog (not to be confused with ideas) is childish and his ideas well... they're pedantic at best.

Re:Not a troll (0)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218265)

Am I the only one that cannot stand a single thing this man has ever released?
Yes. You watched the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie, and have never given anything else he did a fair shot.

Buffy/Angel, Firefly/Serenity, and Astonishing X-Men are about as different as you can get and still be in the genre of "fantasy." Sorry, but if you dismiss them all as the same ball of wax, and you don't have some obnoxious dislike of fantasy, it's true.

Why, yes, he tends to write about characters who are in conflict with "The Man". And they usually have some exceptional ability. And they're usually ensemble pieces. That's because he's writing fantasy.

Hit and miss with me. (4, Interesting)

pavon (30274) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218277)

All his shit feels the same and looks the same
I can't agree with this, as I have reacted differently to everything he has done. Roseanne, Buffy, and Firefly are each very different shows.

I was always fairly indifferent to Roseanne, it was funny sometimes, and annoying sometimes, but for the most part didn't do much for me. But what people did like about it was that it was very down to earth and completely non-PC. Then you have Buffy, which was practically the opposite. The dialog, while often irreverent, was delivered in a very liberal-arts pseudo-intellectual manner, which I absolutely hated. And then he turns around and makes Firefly. I absolutely loved that show - the premise, the characters, the mix of comedy and emotion, everything.

But most importantly, none of those shows were the standard run-of-the-mill sitcom - they all did something different, some of which I liked, some of which I didn't. My impression of Joss is that he is a good writer that takes risks, unlike most of the formulaic crap on TV. His type of writing will never appeal to everyone all the time, but the people who do like it *love* it. I'd much rather have more of that on television, and so I'm curious to see what he does with this new show.

So in short (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218403)

Man gets better at his craft with practice.

Thankfully someone has realized his talent (1)

heauxmeaux (869966) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217739)

Just kidding - this is a nightmare. Kill your TV.

Not wanting to be overly cynical (5, Funny)

fictionpuss (1136565) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217743)

But how many episodes before this invariably gets canceled?

Just extrapolate (4, Funny)

benhocking (724439) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217771)

First data point: Buffy
Second data point: Firefly
...
...extrapolating...
...
This show has already been canceled.

Re:Just extrapolate (1)

littlekosh (96306) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218049)

Joking aside, Fox has already put more into this than one might expect from them.

According to an interview [tvguide.com] with Michael Ausiello, Whedon originally said he was interested in writing just a pilot and Fox went ahead and bought seven episodes. Also, the network side of things (as far as personnel go) is significantly different from when Firefly got canceled.

WTF is with the cancellation speculation? (1)

Asmor (775910) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218329)

Buffy was on for... I forget if it's 6 or 7 seasons. Either way, that's really good.

So how the hell do you extrapolate that one unmitigated success, followed by one unmitigated failure, yields a second unmitigated failure?

Re:WTF is with the cancellation speculation? (1)

d0rp (888607) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218443)

Buffy was on for... I forget if it's 6 or 7 seasons. Either way, that's really good.
Except "Buffy" didn't start on Fox.

After what happened to "Firefly" and "Drive" (yes, I realize that wasn't Joss Whedon, just using as an example), I'd say any new show on Fox stands a good shot of getting canceled early on.

I don't know why Joss Whedon would go back to Fox...

Re:Not wanting to be overly cynical (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218051)

I think the Family Guy episode "North by North Quahog" is appropriate here:

Peter: Everybody, I got bad news - we've been cancelled.

Lois: Oh, no. Peter, how can they do that?

Peter: Well, unfortunately, Lois, there's just no room on the schedule. We just gotta accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows like: Dark Angel, Titus, Undeclared, Action, That 80's Show, Wonderfalls, Fastlane, Andy Richter Controls The Universe, Skin, Girls Club, Cracking Up, The Pits, Firefly, Get Real, Freaky Links, Wanda At Large, Costello, The Lone Gunmen, A Minute With Stan Hooper, Normal Ohio, Pasadena, Harsh Realm, Keen Eddy, The Street, American Embassy, Cedric The Entertainer, The Tick, Louis and Greg The Bunny.

Lois: Is there no hope?

Peter: Well, I supposed if ALL those shows go down the tubes we might have a shot.

I'm with you. Good or not, it is going to get canned. There are a group of good shows in that block above (Lone Gunmen, Andy Richter, Firefly, Keen Eddy, Greg The Bunny). Some deserved it, but Fox has a history of mismanaging shows (mostly: putting them in a time slot that is basically guaranteed to get preempted by a game every week).

Joss Whedon and Fox (1, Troll)

neurosis101 (692250) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217747)

That's a winning combo, Whedon and Fox. I'm sure this project will end up just as well as the last one!

But really, didn't he say he wouldn't work with Fox again?

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217857)

Fox is just a company. Perhaps the people had a beef with are gone?

Or they gave him a truck load of cash.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (1)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217859)

Fox isn't always as stupid as they were with firefly -- just usually.

It's possible that Joss has added some kind of disclaimer about being able to regain copyright on the series if Fox doesn't run it for at least N seasons. That's what killed the Firefly resurrection -- Fox having a death-grip on the first shows made the whole project into something of a zombie -- nobody else was willing to take a risk only to have SCO reap all of the benefits.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (3, Interesting)

owlnation (858981) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217867)

He did. But the difference here is that Eliza has the deal with Fox, and she's hired him (and Tim Minear). At least they have 7 episodes guaranteed. It's more than Drive ever got.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (1)

no_pets (881013) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218385)

Drive had more episodes filmed than what aired. Maybe not 7 although I'm thinking that it was 5 or 6. Anyway, best of luck to Joss, Eliza and this new show.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (3, Interesting)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217883)

Just what I was thinking. I like most of Whedon's projects, but the guy sure knows how to whine. I mean, I wish Firefly hadn't been canceled too, but c'mon, it cost a million bucks an episode to make and it was unpopular (until the DVDs came out AFTER it was canceled). They even sprang for a feature film, which in turn lost money... and Joss wouldn't stop talking to the press about how much it sucked working with Fox. Dude, they footed the bill! They risked a tens of millions of dollars on a feature film for a canceled TV show!

I'm guessing there's a REASON that Whedon keeps coming back to Fox... and it's that despite all his complaints (many of which I'm sure are valid), they're the only ones with enough cash and enough interest to buy what he's selling.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (5, Informative)

thittesd0375 (1111917) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217961)

Or it was Universal that made the film and Fox had nothing to do with it.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218015)

Correction: Universal footed the bill for Serenity, not Fox. So it's not like Fox gave it a second chance, for which I'm sure he would have likely been grateful in the end. But they didn't, so his issues towards Fox were still upstanding.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218129)

Of it had low ratings, it was moved around without notice and often put in the worse possible spot for any show. I mean that in the most literal sense.

For the record I hated Buffy,and if I had realized the same person did firefly I never would have bothered.
It was the reason I tried Angel, which I also enjoyed.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (1)

im_mac (927998) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218249)

Hollywood probably would've said that Serenity lost money, regardless of its success. Forrest Gump [wikipedia.org] lost money, at least on paper, and it grossed over $600million.

Dushku and Fox (1)

eddy (18759) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218375)

What about Dushku, is she wed to Fox too? 'Tru Calling' and 'Nurses' (what happened to that?) were both on Fox, and now this.

Fox is a retarded network for something which _will_ take time to grow mainstream, just the sort of shows that Whedon writes. I just can't understand why Whedon (and Minear?! Tim, wth?!) would go for this. Oh sure, the money. But what about all the pain and suffering that comes with it?

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (1)

shiva (87550) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218435)

I'll never forgive FOX for airing The Train Job, probably the weakest episode of the show, before the pilot Joss wrote. I'm a big Joss Whedon fan and I even stopped watching Firefly after that. Only much later, after I borrowed the DVDs and saw the real pilot did I thought that the show was something special.

Re:Joss Whedon and Fox (2, Funny)

jhw539 (982431) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217925)

Battered writer syndrome?

I don't have much sympathy for him - his Buffy and Angel runs show the guy knows how to play the game. Even if Firefly was killed a few seasons early, Buffy was killed a few season late. He's not really a rube walking into Fox's spinning blades of ineptness.

Hey... (1)

sponglish (759074) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217755)

Thought he swore he'd never do another program for FOX again after the treatment Firefly got http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_Whedon#_note-3 [wikipedia.org] !? And what's wrong with the other networks that only FOX will run Whedon's stuff lately?

Another show about some "company" (2, Insightful)

aquaepulse (990849) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217759)

I realize that serialized mystery/thriller/drama shows are all the rage (Lost, Prison Break, Life, Heroes). But its getting outrageous. How many malevolent companies/groups/governments/cabals can we be expected to tolerate.

Could be good.... (1)

Contrabandwidth (873647) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217763)

... Sounds a little like William Gibson. Molly and the puppet bit at the end of neuromancer.

Re:Could be good.... (1)

An ominous Cow art (320322) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217923)

Jack Chalker had something like this in his "Four Lords of the Diamond" books, too.

Re:Could be good.... (0, Redundant)

VAXcat (674775) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218127)

Sounds like Aphrodite IX, a comic book from a few years back.

Re:Could be good.... (1)

OctavianMH (61823) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218439)

In fact, it looks much more like Global Frequency... a pretty great comic where there are 1,000 experts in this or that scattered around the world, who are brought together for specific missions. No memory wipe though. Global Frequency WAS turned into a pilot, but not picked up. Good potential there, probably bad execution? Or just short-sighted execs, as usual!

Sounds familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217769)

That sounded a lot better the first time I saw it. When it was called "Pretender".

Glad to see Whedon is doing something new... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217773)

It's refreshing to see a new series by Joss where the main character is not a girl with superhuman martial art abilities taking on nearly unsurmountable tasks while not being aware of the subtle manipulations of an unknown dark and nefarious nemesis.... Oh wait.

Re:Glad to see Whedon is doing something new... (1)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218287)

If he's doing a new show, does that mean he's giving up on that space vampirate movie that he's been trying to make?

Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1, Interesting)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217777)

Joss Whedon usually has just about enough good ideas for not-quite-one season. Buffy started great, and ended terribly (though its first 3 seasons were decent). Angel started awesome as well, but then went down the toilet. Firefly was all sweet... except Serenity where Whedon got a chance to once again show that he doesn't understand his own characters well enough to make a sensible, logical conclusion.

Whedon's strength is his sarcastic dialogue, which I find enjoyable to an extent. He also has cool characters (which sometimes become totally uncool but at least they start off well) often enough. I just want this show to suffer the same fate as Firefly so it *doesn't* slowly go down the toilet the way Buffy and Angel did and leaves us with a permanently good impression (I try to ignore Serenity).

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

mholt108 (229701) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217947)

the best firefly episode was the last one ... serenity is a movie which is different
the best buffy is season 6
angel got better after season 2

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218185)

Season 6 had Tabula Rasa and Once More with Feeling.

Season 3 had Earshot, and Graduation day, not to mention the whole Mayor thing, Faith, and Evil Willow.

Sorry, but my vote goes to S3.

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

unsigned integer (721338) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218045)

Funny, I thought Angel was better in the 5th season, after he (Whedon) ditched whiny Connor and evil Cordelia. Plus we had Spike back - and that's always good for a laugh.

Not spoilers, past the statue of limitations. ;-)

What parts of Serenity weren't consistent? Leaving out the rewrite of River's escape among other things ...

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (3, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218061)

I disagree. I feel the last two seasons of Angel were the best. I never watched Buffy, but I feel that Firefly was as close to perfect as a show can be, and Serenity was pretty good for a man who's only ever done TV.

Out of curiosity, what didn't you feel made sense about Serenity's conclusion? I thought it was good.

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218345)

and Serenity was pretty good for a man who's only ever done TV.
Quite right. We don't talk about Alien Resurrection. Or the first Buffy.

captcha: mortify

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218379)

It had to do with the events that led up to and included the final stand against the ------s. So, the last 15-20 min of the show.

Mostly an uncalled-for, poorly-dramatized and completely unjustified killing-off of a character.

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (2, Insightful)

jpfed (1095443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218181)

Angel started awesome as well, but then went down the toilet.
If you could bring yourself to watch the show after season four (which could be painful at times- Connor was very much Angel's Dawn), you would have been treated to some of the best that Joss has to offer. The last season of Angel was almost as good as the only season of Firefly. Wesley's arc throughout the whole series, and especially its culmination in the last season, was an excellent demonstration of what Joss can do if you give him enough time. I can only imagine what comparable achievements he could have reached if he had been given the opportunity with Firefly.

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218217)

Joss Whedon usually has just about enough good ideas for not-quite-one season. Buffy started great, and ended terribly (though its first 3 seasons were decent). Angel started awesome as well, but then went down the toilet. Firefly was all sweet... except Serenity where Whedon got a chance to once again show that he doesn't understand his own characters well enough to make a sensible, logical conclusion.
This is one of those points where I have to respectfully disagree. Buffy only started getting weak with the whole Initiative plot and even that wasn't all bad, it was like 50% of the way to greatness, it was just flawed. The whole Riley thing played out poorly, a combination of an actor who couldn't quite generate chemistry with the Buffster and some uneven writing and plotting with Adam. But man, there were some great moments. I'm still laughing about Spike's big reentry into the story. "Yeah, I'm the big bad, gonna paint this town red." Then ZAP! Bro got tazed.

I'm a fan of Buffy and Angel but I thought Firefly clicked on a level even beyond that. As for Serenity, I don't get what you mean about not understanding the characters. This was maybe a season's worth of plot development that had to be crammed into a movie format. Even at that, it was very well-done.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course, and I can understand people disliking Joss' work if they dislike his style. But I'd say that what he's done is a lot stronger than you're implying.

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

Sciros (986030) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218317)

Ah, I hate going into details because it would spoil the movie, but much of what I disliked about Serenity involved the events leading up to and including the final stand against the ------s. I'm talking about discarding character(s) for no good reason without a thought to developing them further (or doing them justice given their role in the show), having other character(s) react nonsensically, and so forth.

As for Angel and Buffy, I watched *every episode* of those shows and I feel that although they had their ups and downs throughout (and Angel did pick back up towards the end), I felt they started stronger than they ended. Buffy in particular became just painful to watch for me towards the end.

Anyway, yeah I really do feel that each show (and Firefly only if you count Serenity's last 15-20 min, heh... oh and that one episode where they defend a whorehouse from an evil band of chauvinists where Joss accidentally scripted an episode of A-Team) kinda outlived its "quality" time and delved into mediocrity. Joss is at his finest when doing more light-hearted, sarcastic writing and I think he should concentrate on it for Dollhouse. (Moments like the ending of the episode "Shindig" in Firefly really stand out as memorable to me.)

Re:Let's hope it's cancelled after 15 eps (1)

justin12345 (846440) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218231)

I have to disagree as well. Buffy season 1 was terrible, 2 was ok, 3 great, 4 not as good as 3, 5 excellent, 6 a little tired, 7 overwrought and pretty bad. Angel just got better with each season.

This reminds me of a animie (1)

Boap (559344) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217783)

I do not remember the name of it but these little girls were brainwashed to forget their past memories and then were trained and sent out to do special operations.

Gunslinger Girl (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218011)

The anime you're thinking of is Gunslinger Girl

Bets on how long it lasts? (1)

Grey_14 (570901) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217791)

I'll put a few bucks on 4 episodes, that seems to be the magic number, Worse is that Tim Minear is in on the project, he also does FANTASTIC work, but I swear fox has a hate on for the guy. Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive are all his work, and all cancelled less than halfway through their seasons.

Re:Bets on how long it lasts? (1)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217901)

I'll put a few bucks on 4 episodes, that seems to be the magic number, Worse is that Tim Minear is in on the project, he also does FANTASTIC work, but I swear fox has a hate on for the guy. Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive are all his work, and all cancelled less than halfway through their seasons.


Why the hell are they still willing to deal with Fox? Seriously, I thought Tim Minnear swore off ever working with Fox again after Wonderfalls. They must be getting either a boat load full of money, or a contract with a lot of guarantees in writing.

All my sins remembered (1)

at10u8 (179705) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217799)

A book [amazon.com] by Joe Haldeman [wikipedia.org] .

ideal for episodic TeeVee... (1)

happy_place (632005) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217803)

The show sounds ideal for epidsode TeeVee... No need for character development, cuz it's wiped out at the end of the show. :)

--Ray

Re:ideal for episodic TeeVee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217861)

Wasnt that also the plot of JOE90? Programmable hypno kid...

Re:ideal for episodic TeeVee... (1)

Mark J Tilford (186) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217941)

But they implied that Dushku will start remembering bits from previous jobs.

Oh not you don't , asshole (5, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217825)

I am NOT going to watch another show just to see the best, most clever, smartest and funniest person die.

SPOILER for Buffy Finale (4, Funny)

AceCaseOR (594637) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217863)

You mean Anya, right?

Re:SPOILER for Buffy Finale (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218097)

Nah, obviously it's Tracy.

Re:SPOILER for Buffy Finale (1)

644bd346996 (1012333) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218145)

Or Wash?

Chuck Clone? (1, Insightful)

Sperbels (1008585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217845)

So we're going to get a version of Chuck, but with more hot chicks? God TV sucks. I want my Firefly back.

Re:Chuck Clone? (1)

cliath (978599) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218395)

Dark Chuck... Chuck Angel? Which ever sounds better.

Cool! (1)

Jagunco (547686) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217849)


What an innovative plot, I can't wait to watch this wonderful masterpiece!

River goes to college? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217851)

Let him go back to Firefly!

They just started getting that universe up to speed, and then they kill it. They never gave it a chance. I slept on Firefly, but was really pulled in by Serenity. Got the DVDs and wanted more.

This sounds a lot like where they took River. I guess it could provide lots o mysteries that would be slowly revealed and the setting will probably be more likely to gin up the demographics that made Buffy a success.

Whedon ripping off Joe 90? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217873)

He could have at least done one of the good marionette shows like "Thunderbirds."

"people programmed with different personalities" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21217895)

A programmable Eliza Dushku? Sign me up! The things I'll code her to do....

Paycheck (1)

pianoman113 (204449) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217915)

The movie (or the short story, take your pick), though I'm sure Joss doesn't mind the kind he can take to the bank. The key difference being the main character in Paycheck was a mercenary who voluntarily had his mind wiped.

Many of Philip K. Dick's ideas are being adapted into film these days. Are we that cynical about the future?

Re:Paycheck (1)

Lurker2288 (995635) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217967)

It's really not like Paycheck at all. Apart from the 'mind wiping,' but seriously, you might as well say it's just like 'Men In Black.' Of course, to be fair, the movie 'Paycheck' didn't have all that much to do with the short story, either.

Re:Paycheck (1)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218065)

No, just about the present.

It does seem like they're filming a lot of his stuff. I'd love to see someone take on Ubik.

Sounds like Dark City (3, Insightful)

Khopesh (112447) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217919)

Uh, Alex Proyas [wikipedia.org] (The Crow [wikipedia.org] , I, Robot [wikipedia.org] ) did this in his 1998 movie Dark City [wikipedia.org] ; an alien race constantly wipes the minds of their captive humans, reshuffling them in order to better understand the human concept of a soul (so that the dying alien race can learn this trait and perhaps evade their fate). The movie is one of my favorites, but I don't expect Dollhouse to be anything but drivel.

Re:Sounds like Dark City (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218069)

Silly me, I thought it sounded like The Pretender [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Sounds like Dark City (1)

Khopesh (112447) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218179)

Jarod on the Pretender just did simulations; he knew he was a puppet, and he was aware of the programming. Dark City's premise was that the Strangers ran their mind-wiping experiments in secret; the human subjects were never intended to know what was going on, but then one day, the main character started figuring things out ... just like in Whedon's new show.

Re:Sounds like Dark City (1)

glwtta (532858) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218209)

So a part of the premise is vaguely similar to that of a 10 year old movie? Yeah, might as well not bother. (I quite enjoyed Dark City; Rufus Sewell is a hugely underrated actor)

I don't expect Dollhouse to be anything but drivel.

Based on what?

Re:Sounds like Dark City (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218361)

Ah, thats who wrote that! Dark City was very good, sort of like "The Truman Show" meets "The Matrix." I think one of the reasons it didn't do well was probably not enough "wow" factor and/or action for the general public to get into like "The Matrix." Similarly for the "The Thirteenth Floor" or "Gattacca." Too much of a thinking man's movie(s).

He's like an abused spouse (5, Funny)

Steeltalon (734391) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217933)

Sooner or later there needs to be an intervention and his friends and family need to tell him that, no matter what it says, Fox doesn't really love him.

Re:He's like an abused spouse (4, Insightful)

unsigned integer (721338) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218085)

Fox: "Come on home baby. This time it will be different. We won't cancel you halfway this time. We'll change."

Whedon: "I'm in a co-dependant relationship with Fox ... I have no choice but to go back, for the sake of the children."

You Never Know (1)

wolff000 (447340) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217945)

The plot sounds great and could be a really good show. Unfortunately like a few others have stated his shows often teeter out. Many people blame him for this but I think this is unfair. It could be him or it could be the fat cats at the networks dictating what happens next cause that is what they want to see. We will never know which but I hope this turns out well. I'll be sure to download at least the first few episodes to see how it plays out.

Re:You Never Know (1)

littlekosh (96306) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218177)

Unfortunately like a few others have stated his shows often teeter out.
I don't really understand this. Buffy's best season was either the fifth or the sixth, and Angel's best was easily the fifth. If anything the shows seem to get stronger the longer they go on.

hybrid shows (2, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217979)

Although most writing is just rehashing of old ideas, only changing sets or characters, it seems that we are getting more straight hybrids, with little else change. For instance, the so-called bionic women seems more a hybrid of Alias and perhaps some young women show, maybe gilmore girls, though I realy don't know. No new writing, just put it in a blender.

The sad thing is that really out there ideas, those that are not rehashes, are not popular. Stuff like Salvage I. I guess people want what they want. This show, however, seems like a surrender to the status quo. After years of trying to be out there, the show is a realization that money is only made when we give people what they want. Firefly made no sense, and was sci fi, so it was dropped, thought it was still more realistic than friends. Oh well, like goes on.

the future is now? (2, Funny)

tabby (592506) | more than 6 years ago | (#21217985)

I'm fairly certain something like this must already be happening. At least at my work. Its the only plausible explaination for people to constantly make the same bad decisions over & over again.

And before you ask... (1)

FoolsGold (1139759) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218003)

Yes, in the show... Eliza Dushku will run Linux. Can't afford to have her BSODing every episode can then?

Re:And before you ask... (1, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218251)

When she becomes petrified from a segfault, will we need hot grits.

If Bones is still on . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218053)

. . . then this should get at least one season on Fox.

Whedon was on TV last night! (1)

pappy97 (784268) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218091)

Joss Whedon directed last night's episode of "The Office."

So its "Dark Angel" before Max escaped Manticore (1)

7String (537730) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218101)

nuff said.

Topcow Aphrodite IX ripoff (1)

phrostie (121428) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218119)

this is a rip off of Topcow's Aphrodite IX

At last they are re-making Joe 90 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218383)

a welcome return for the "Brain Impulse Galvanoscope Record And Transfer" ... a device that allows the secret agent Joe 90 to be programmed with the skills needed for each mission, then have his brain wiped afterwards. Eliza Dushku certainly looks better than the wooden puppet used in the original series, but probably wont improve the standard of acting ..

Am I the only old british guy to think "joe 90"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218401)

Sounds familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21218413)

"...a top-secret world of people programmed with different personalities, abilities and memories depending on their mission..."

Paging Joe 90 [bigrat.co.uk] ... Paging Joe 90 [youtube.com] ...

This sounds like All My Sins Remembered (2, Informative)

Elfich47 (703900) | more than 6 years ago | (#21218431)

The series sounds like All My sins remembered [amazon.com] by Joe Haldeman [wikipedia.org] . An average citizen is conditioned through hypnotherapy to assume given roles for a time period until the mission is over. After that he returns to base, debriefs and is assigned another mission. Eventually the brain cannot take the strain of repeated wipes and reprogramming and by the end when he is not on mission he is a schizophrenic stew of previous programmed personalities (thus - All my sins remembered).
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